muhammad was a pedophile?
I keep hearing this from people.
I don't believe in muhammad or anyone else but i want to know why i keep hearing this.
QuoteI don't believe in muhammad or anyone else...
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wow.. can anyone on this forum ancer a fucking question?
or is this just a meme forum?
so i will ask one more time....
why do some people claim muhammad was a pedophile?
I am an atheist so i don't believe in muhammad but i still don't get why people who are not atheists claim this about muhammad
Because he married a 9 year old.... or so the story goes.
Personally I think Muhammad is a made up figure, like jesus and moses, who was created by a bunch of tribal shits who DID want to marry 9 year olds.
oh.. well people did not live as long back then so marrying young people was more common..
people would only live to about 30.
this kind of thing went on till about the civil war time in the USA.
The people in my family back in the civil war time got married to a younger person.
He was 30 and his wife was 14 and he got her pregnant then got killed by a cannonball..
I don't see that as pedofile stuff.
It was pretty common back then.
Quote from: Jmpty on July 04, 2014, 04:51:32 PM
It was pretty common back then.
we need to stop projecting today's "Morals" on the people of the past.
Be they real or unreal people
According to the Hadith, Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 years old, but waited until she was 9 to have sexual intercourse with her. So yeah, by the very definition of the word "pedophile", he was one. Of course, at that time being a pedophile didn't carry the same stigma as it does today, nevertheless he was one.
Quotewow.. can anyone on this forum ancer a fucking question?
Yes, we can... however, when you then say...
QuoteI am an atheist so i don't believe in muhammad
All I can think is...
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Being an atheist and not believing in Muhammad have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Muhammad was a 40-some year old Meccan merchant and warlord back in the early 600s... he lead invasions of various cities that are recorded, and after his death his religion split into two main factions; those that thought his heirs should lead Islam and those that thought his disciples should lead Islam.
To say you don't believe in Muhammad because your an atheist is like saying you don't believe in Pope Gregory I because you are an atheist... we have actual historical accounts and evidence of his life and existence, unlike Jesus. Nor is he considered a divine being but rather divinely inspired.
Are some of the stories about him likely false or greatly exaggerated? Of course... but then so are those of people from Julius Ceaser to JFK yet people still believe they existed.
Quoteoh.. well people did not live as long back then so marrying young people was more common..
people would only live to about 30.
Not true. Since the time of the Neanderthals, Homo Sapiens have had life spans that could go all the way up to the mid-60s, and the aristocracy like Muhammad would have had a much longer life span generally. He was 40, marrying a 9 year old... and you don't see the problem with that?
QuoteHe was 30 and his wife was 14 and he got her pregnant then got killed by a cannonball..
I don't see that as pedofile stuff.
Women began ovulating at much older ages back then as well, so that is pretty close to "as soon as she can, let's knock her up!"... women are not "prime" for childbearing until their mid 20's. And I'm sorry, but you really think 14 is old enough to be a mother?
Please, take some biology and anthropology classes. The risks of childbirth until only about 50 years ago was the biggest risk of mortality for a woman, and having children before your body is prepared for it only made it that much worse.
Quotewe need to stop projecting today's "Morals" on the people of the past.
Be they real or unreal people
K, Hitler was a good guy.
The "age of consent" rules are to allow for later menarch due to poorer diet than we have these days. So a 9 yo was about half what she needed to be to actually have children. And Mo would have known this, the women to kept his harem would have notified him when she started her periods. All in all, it's just child rape. And whether or not it was common back then doesn't make it better now.
My ex is 21 and has a 8 year old kid.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 04, 2014, 05:11:18 PM
The "age of consent" rules are to allow for later menarch due to poorer diet than we have these days. So a 9 yo was about half what she needed to be to actually have children. And Mo would have known this, the women to kept his harem would have notified him when she started her periods. All in all, it's just child rape. And whether or not it was common back then doesn't make it better now.
Its all about what was wrong then.. and back then no one really cared so why should we?
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 05:20:20 PM
Its all about what was wrong then.. and back then no one really cared so why should we?
Because they are STILL DOING IT TODAY based on bullshit from the 8th century or so.
My grandparents were married at 13. They stayed married till my grandfather died in his 70s. My grandmother died a few short years later.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 04, 2014, 05:22:32 PM
My grandparents were married at 13. They stayed married till my grandfather died in his 70s. My grandmother died a few short years later.
Awe..
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 04:37:04 PM
wow.. can anyone on this forum ancer a fucking question?
or is this just a meme forum?
You want us to cancer a question?
Quote from: the_antithesis on July 04, 2014, 05:27:28 PM
You want us to cancer a question?
Smokin' question, take a lung at it.
Pretty obvious my grandfather was a prophet, huh?
Robert, stop persecuting rude people.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on July 04, 2014, 05:32:13 PM
Pretty obvious my grandfather was a prophet, huh?
yeah.. we need to start putting up shrines of his likeness and invading other countries in his name.
Is he waiting at the bottom of a well?
So I am not defending Mohamad here, but technically a pedophile is someone who wants to have sex with prepubescent children. I believe it is mentioned that Aisha first bled at age 9, and in most ancient cultures, puberty means fair game. If I am mistaken and she was still pre-pubescent, then yes he is totally a pedophile.
Even in modern times, the age of consent varies wildly from country to country. I personally don't think any 9 year old is ready to have sex, because mental maturity is not equal to sexual maturity. I had my first period at age 10, but wasn't in any way ready sex.
There is a problem with ALL religions using ancient traditions as excuses for their current behavior, when those behaviors have become otherwise unacceptable in modern societies. They perpetuate behaviors that have proven to be unhealthy or just flat out wrong.
I don't expect islam to change its stance on younge marraige though, they don't have the outside social pressures to change the!Christians in the west do, and even with those pressures Christians often refuse to change, even when the laws do. Dogmatic to the end.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
muhammad was a pedophile?
I keep hearing this from people.
I don't believe in muhammad or anyone else but i want to know why i keep hearing this.
Is Mohammad a god, or something? And, if you don't believe in him why does it matter if he were a pedophile, or not? I think it wouldn't.
-Nam
The problem is they are still doing this, as noted above. It's not the 8th C. any more. Except for some folks, of course, who think they're exempt because their imaginary friend says its okay.
Quote from: Nam on July 04, 2014, 05:41:20 PM
Is Mohammad a god, or something? And, if you don't believe in him why does it matter if he were a pedophile, or not? I think it wouldn't.
-Nam
I try to understand what others believe to be true..
Just because i don't believe to be true don't mean that gives me the right to be igerent on the subject altogether.
I try to know and understand the beliefs of others even if i don't believe to be true myself.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 05:18:20 PM
My ex is 21 and has a 8 year old kid.
So, having a kid at 13 is a good thing...?
Either way: you really are an idiot.
-Nam
I just watched this documentary called "Are all Men Pedophiles?". It goes over how western society has raised age of consent because of school, but that people still become sexually active during puberty, ages 11 to 16. We view adults who find these post pubescent teens sexual as pedophiles, the same as we would view someone who views a 5 year old as sexual, but the fact is, they are not the same.
I know I am going slightly off topic here, but it is related. This fear of all men being potential pedophiles, and the unfair and untrue double stsndard that female pedophiles do not exist, has done and is continuing to harm western society.
Male grade school teachers are almost nonexistent, men are afraid to hug their own kids in public, and it is destroying male-child bonding, which is very important to healthy child development.
Was Mohamad a pedophile? Maybe. Is the 30 year old guy who finds the 15 year old high school girl who has breasts and hips and all the things that trigger natural desire in a man, and finds her sexy a pedophile? Absolutely not! Should he actually have sex with her? Well, that is more debatable, and I would say varies depending on mental maturity, societal acceptance, and other factors.
Go to work for Hobby Lobby. They'll probably approve a marriage with a 9year old and take it to the highest court in the land they probably don't recognize as being legitimate except when they rule in their favor.
Quote from: Nam on July 04, 2014, 05:48:30 PM
So, having a kid at 13 is a good thing...?
Either way: you really are an idiot.
-Nam
She wanted a kid at 13 so it was right for her.
Morality is subjective.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 05:52:21 PM
She wanted a kid at 13 so it was right for her.
Morality is subjective.
Y.O.U. A.R.E. A.N. I.D.I.O.T.
LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT.
-Nam
Quote from: Nam on July 04, 2014, 05:54:12 PM
Y.O.U. A.R.E. A.N. I.D.I.O.T.
LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT.
-Nam
Sorry you think i am a idiot... Have a nice day.
QuoteIs the 30 year old guy who finds the 15 year old high school girl who has breasts and hips and all the things that trigger natural desire in a man, and finds her sexy a pedophile? Absolutely not!
I can only speak from personal experience, and I don't know if this is common or not amongst men, but I just do not find teenagers attractive. There are a few who are like... 19 or right on the border of 20, who are attractive, but they also look more mature than their age. For me the 22-32+ range is the "perfect" range in terms of just sexy appeal.
But the last time I can remember finding a 15 year old attractive was when I was around 15 years old. I just don't feel like it would be that common to find teenagers attractive at 30.
Quote
She wanted a kid at 13 so it was right for her.
No, it wasn't. A 13 year old has not had their brain develop to the point they can reasonably be expected to realize all the consequences that entails. A 13 year old is still years away from being able to provide and support a child. A 13 year old's body is simply NOT READY BIOLOGICALLY to have a child... it is possible, sure, but it is not in a good state to be having a kid.
Just because you WANT something does not make it okay, and thank Allah for that.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 06:08:44 PM
No, it wasn't. A 13 year old has not had their brain develop to the point they can reasonably be expected to realize all the consequences that entails.
Peoples ability to think is not coded into the DNA.. Its has to do with life experience.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 06:08:44 PM
A 13 year old is still years away from being able to provide and support a child.
In a world of SSI and food stamps that is untrue.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 06:08:44 PM
A 13 year old's body is simply NOT READY BIOLOGICALLY to have a child... it is possible, sure, but it is not in a good state to be having a kid.
Her body was ready and she gave birth right and she made milk and everything. so whatever.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 06:08:44 PM
Just because you WANT something does not make it okay, and thank Allah for that.
Whatever.. she wanted to have a kid so she had one "free will" and all that jazz.
QuotePeoples ability to think is not coded into the DNA.. Its has to do with life experience.
Biology and psychology say otherwise, that it is a mixture of both experience but also the power of the brain itself. That's why, with a poke or a prod or a zap of electricity to the brain, you can change some very fundamental aspects of a person's personality, to the point they may not even be considered the same person anymore.
QuoteHer body was ready and she gave birth right and she made milk and everything. so whatever.
The body is not "ready" until around 22-25 for women. While you can have a child before then, it is much like saying you can run a mile on a broken leg... sure, it's possible, but you are risking alot of long term health issues and a load of unnecessary pains. Simply put the skeletal structure of the female body is not in it's ideal shape, nor is the size or ability to produce nutrients.
Pregnancy takes ALOT of energy, as does puberty and growth during the teens. If you cant produce enough energy, it doesn't magically come from no where; the body takes it away from either the growth or the pregnancy. And unless you are eating steak after steak after vegetable after vegetable after (etc. etc. ...) all day long your body will NOT be getting the amount of nutrients it needs to provide for either you or your baby properly. That is an unnecessary health risk for both mother and child.
Then lets say she breast feeds (something that should be HIGHLY encouraged for any potential mother because of all the health benefits for not just the baby but the mother as well)... again, this requires ALOT of nutrients, and if she cannot keep up with it, either the milk or her body will not be receiving all the nutrients it requires.
QuoteWhatever.. she wanted to have a kid so she had one "free will" and all that jazz.
I want a boat... therefor, if I go and steal a boat, does that mean it's okay because I "wanted" it?
But that doesn't really do any physical harm, so lets change it...
I want to go stab someone... I really like playing with knives and think it would be pretty cool to shank someone... so does that mean it's "okay" because it was my free will to hurt someone else?
No, it doesn't. And when you have a baby before your body is ready, that is what you are doing; intentionally hurting someone else.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 06:34:20 PM
Peoples ability to think is not coded into the DNA.. Its has to do with life experience.
In a world of SSI and food stamps that is untrue.
Her body was ready and she gave birth right and she made milk and everything. so whatever.
Whatever.. she wanted to have a kid so she had one "free will" and all that jazz.
If this comment isn't a reason for everyone to put him on ignore -- I don't know what is.
The stupid, it burns.
-Nam
Quote from: Nam on July 04, 2014, 06:50:23 PM
If this comment isn't a reason for everyone to put him on ignore -- I don't know what is.
The stupid, it burns.
-Nam
I thought he was stupid at first as well, but after checking his youtube... I feel really uncomfortable. I think he might legitimately not see the issue with it rather than just not grasping the issue with it.
Quote from: Nam on July 04, 2014, 06:50:23 PM
If this comment isn't a reason for everyone to put him on ignore -- I don't know what is.
The stupid, it burns.
-Nam
whatever.. put me on ignore.. if that is what it takes to not get replys from you then whatever.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 07:01:06 PM
I thought he was stupid at first as well, but after checking his youtube... I feel really uncomfortable. I think he might legitimately not see the issue with it rather than just not grasping the issue with it.
At first I thought his idiocy was based on a lack of education, self or otherwise, and though I believe he probably actually has a low IQ, bordering on retardation, and I would have given him a break but since he just keeps on reiterating his idiocy, he must go on ignore or my flaming of him may go a bit far. I've been known of going too far in some instances.
-Nam
yeah? low IQ, bordering on retardation? Fuck you pal.
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He does live in a basement.
-Nam
This thread is stupid. Aurora and Shoe had some insightful things to say, but the rest of you are being idiots.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on July 04, 2014, 08:24:54 PM
This thread is stupid. Aurora and Shoe had some insightful things to say, but the rest of you are being idiots.
Yes, yes we are.
-Nam
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on July 04, 2014, 08:24:54 PM
This thread is stupid. Aurora and Shoe had some insightful things to say, but the rest of you are being idiots.
More or less, yeah.
Quote from: Nam on July 04, 2014, 08:15:04 PM
He does live in a basement.
-Nam
Thats a MIT radio station.. Not a basement.
Quote from: Nam on July 04, 2014, 08:15:04 PM
He does live in a basement.
-Nam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcsjveV4ik
Oh, look... MORE of his videos.
Quote from: Shiranu on July 04, 2014, 08:47:01 PM
Oh, look... MORE of his videos.
You watch it.
-Nam
Video: hey look they put the basement on the 3ed floor!
Yes he was a pedophile based on him dating a none year old, I don't think that bleeding really means you're old enough for sex just like I don't think having your first wet dream doesn't mean that you're ready for sex.
The age of consent is a veayring thing but most people say 16-18 which I agree with in the main. So despite sharia law saying otherwise I believe he was a pedophile for doing Aisha.
Also Robert you have created yourself an image of a weird trolling idiot, even if that's not what you want to be or intended to be that's what you became based on the vids and the way you talk, and also some other things
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on July 04, 2014, 09:22:22 PM
Yes he was a pedophile based on him dating a none year old, I don't think that bleeding really means you're old enough for sex just like I don't think having your first wet dream doesn't mean that you're ready for sex.
The age of consent is a veayring thing but most people say 16-18 which I agree with in the main. So despite sharia law saying otherwise I believe he was a pedophile for doing Aisha.
Also Robert you have created yourself an image of a weird trolling idiot, even if that's not what you want to be or intended to be that's what you became based on the vids and the way you talk, and also some other things
Apparently he works in the basement at MIT. They probably stuck him down there because he kept complaining that the professors were trying to teach him how not to speak, and in defiance he posted videos, and he was banished to the bowels of the school.
-Nam
People talk about Islam and Pedophilia.
Consider the origins of Islam and the time period and region from which it arose.
The end.
@nam: thought you was going to ignore me... liar, liar.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:13:27 AM
@nam: thought you was going to ignore me... liar, liar.
I still fail to see the point of any of your threads. There is no opening point, and never any conclusion. Why must you follow someone around a forum and harass them like this? Please get your brain examined ASAP.
my thread had a point.. i wanted info right from the people themselves.. i don't like untrue propaganda so i wanted to know why people where saying this.. mostly christian people... if it was untrue propaganda by christian people i would want to know.. Because sometimes the enemy of your enemy is a friend.. and it looks like this is somewhat true but also not. I came to ask because i had my end of the rope moment someone said muhammad was a pedophile in a YT video, (Yes that guy) and i wanted to know more or why he and others say that all the time...
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:27:59 AM
my thread had a point.. i wanted info right from the people themselves.. i don't like untrue propaganda so i wanted to know why people where saying this.. mostly christian people... if it was untrue propaganda by christian people i would want to know.. Because sometimes the enemy of your enemy is a friend.. and it looks like this is somewhat true but also not. I came to ask because i had my end of the rope moment someone said muhammad was a pedophile in a YT video, (Yes that guy) and i wanted to know more or why he and others say that all the time...
Why couldn't you just research it yourself? I do it. Others do it. Why can't you? I know exactly what you're doing, you make these threads to instigate people and get problems going. That's who you are and what you do. I am baffled as to how you are not banned or even warned yet.
Quote from: frosty on July 05, 2014, 03:32:15 AM
Why couldn't you just research it yourself? I do it. Others do it. Why can't you? I know exactly what you're doing, you make these threads to instigate people and get problems going. That's who you are and what you do. I am baffled as to how you are not banned or even warned yet.
i did research it.. and got 200 different answers..
people said it was true and untrue and a hoax and so on.. i wanted a easy answer... so i asked here.. plus i wanted to see what people saw as pedofile or not pedofile.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:46:04 AM
i did research it.. and got 200 different answers..
people said it was true and untrue and a hoax and so on.. i wanted a easy answer... so i asked here.. plus i wanted to see what people saw as pedofile or not pedofile.
No, you made this thread to cause more problems. You know exactly what you did. This is like arguing with a kid after he breaks something and he is in denial about it.
Quote from: frosty on July 05, 2014, 03:52:28 AM
No, you made this thread to cause more problems. You know exactly what you did. This is like arguing with a kid after he breaks something and he is in denial about it.
well, I did not do that and i am sorry that you think that.
But i can't prove or disprove to you why besides what i already said here.
So.. Take it as you will.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:13:27 AM
@nam: thought you was going to ignore me... liar, liar.
Quote from: frosty on July 05, 2014, 03:19:22 AM
I still fail to see the point of any of your threads. There is no opening point, and never any conclusion. Why must you follow someone around a forum and harass them like this? Please get your brain examined ASAP.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:27:59 AM
my thread had a point.. i wanted info right from the people themselves.. i don't like untrue propaganda so i wanted to know why people where saying this.. mostly christian people... if it was untrue propaganda by christian people i would want to know.. Because sometimes the enemy of your enemy is a friend.. and it looks like this is somewhat true but also not. I came to ask because i had my end of the rope moment someone said muhammad was a pedophile in a YT video, (Yes that guy) and i wanted to know more or why he and others say that all the time...
Quote from: frosty on July 05, 2014, 03:32:15 AM
Why couldn't you just research it yourself? I do it. Others do it. Why can't you? I know exactly what you're doing, you make these threads to instigate people and get problems going. That's who you are and what you do. I am baffled as to how you are not banned or even warned yet.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:46:04 AM
i did research it.. and got 200 different answers..
people said it was true and untrue and a hoax and so on.. i wanted a easy answer... so i asked here.. plus i wanted to see what people saw as pedofile or not pedofile.
Quote from: frosty on July 05, 2014, 03:52:28 AM
No, you made this thread to cause more problems. You know exactly what you did. This is like arguing with a kid after he breaks something and he is in denial about it.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:56:32 AM
well, I did not do that and i am sorry that you think that.
But i can't prove or disprove to you why besides what i already said here.
So.. Take it as you will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI3DlIrvoHg
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:56:32 AM
well, I did not do that and i am sorry that you think that.
But i can't prove or disprove to you why besides what i already said here.
So.. Take it as you will.
You are one sick puppy if this is you.
http://youtu.be/K8-DlxjfhVA
Quote from: TubbyTubby on July 05, 2014, 11:15:22 AM
You are one sick puppy if this is you.
http://youtu.be/K8-DlxjfhVA
Nah, he's just a cool guy that uses Youtube. There are millions of them. He's cool and awesome. He shares his whole life on Youtube. He is so cool!
^^^^^^ Off topic, Please reframe from the subject.
the age of consent in the us in the early 1900 was ten in some states, I forgot where i saw that but I was somewhat surprised.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 03:17:12 PM
^^^^^^ Off topic, Please reframe from the subject.
Actually it is quite relevant. You paste your Youtube videos all over here, I reference them in posts. Go fuck yourself.
Quote from: frosty on July 05, 2014, 04:20:02 PM
Actually it is quite relevant. You paste your Youtube videos all over here, I reference them in posts. Go fuck yourself.
no.. its a attempt to derail the topic with personal attacks on me.
People usually focus on the fact that Muhammad was a hate and war monger. Remembering that he married a 6 year old and started having sex with her is important because it emphasizes that he not only was a fighter, but also a lover.
You just have to love the soft side of a guy like that.
Quote from: aitm on July 05, 2014, 03:30:40 PM
the age of consent in the us in the early 1900 was ten in some states, I forgot where i saw that but I was somewhat surprised.
That was actually in the late 19th Cent. not early 20th. 1880s+. However, in that same time period, in Delaware age of consent was 7 years old.
The highest age of consent I know of is in Bahrain at 21 years old.
-Nam
Quote from: Nam on July 05, 2014, 04:53:18 PM
That was actually in the late 19th Cent. not early 20th. 1880s+. However, in that same time period, in Delaware age of consent was 7 years old.
The highest age of consent I know of is in Bahrain at 21 years old.
-Nam
well there ya go, thanks for that.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 05, 2014, 04:35:21 PM
no.. its a attempt to derail the topic with personal attacks on me.
False. Who has had multiple threads locked for their behaviour so far? Me, or you?
I'll give you a hint: It isn't me.
Quote from: frosty on July 06, 2014, 03:46:03 AM
False. Who has had multiple threads locked for their behaviour so far? Me, or you?
I'll give you a hint: It isn't me.
The videos i posted where on topic or in reply to a post.. This is not on topic so it is an attack on me.
*mod hat on*
Frosty and Robert, please give it a break, ok?
I said to give it a rest. Last warning.
Seelie said to give it a rest. That means both of you. No responding to these edits either.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 04:46:23 PM
oh.. well people did not live as long back then so marrying young people was more common..
people would only live to about 30.
Mohammad's married his first wife when he was in his 20's and Khadija was in her 40's, today i think we would call Khadija a filthy rich cougar,Khadija like his favourite wife the child bride called Aisha lived to her 60's.
Mohammad was in his 50's when he married 6 year old Aisha who was the child of his neighbor Abu Bakr.
There is plenty of evidence people lived to their 60's+ in the Islamic texts
In the Bible they lived hundreds of years.
:wink:
-Nam
Quote from: IKnowTheTruth8874 on July 15, 2014, 01:21:26 AM
Yes, Muhammad was indeed a pedophile.
So was Biblegod.
QuoteIslam was created by the devil to deceive people worldwide.
Evidence?
QuoteThe 'angel of light' that appeared to Muhammad was indeed foretold in the Holy Bible, that Satan would appear as an angel of light to deceive a charismatic leader.
Evidence?
QuoteCurse you all TO HELL.
Evidence?
-Nam
The holy bible is not evidence. It is a work of fiction.
So glad the Christian Troll is banned already. :D
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
muhammad was a pedophile?
I keep hearing this from people.
I don't believe in muhammad or anyone else but i want to know why i keep hearing this.
Sunni doctrine is that Aisha was nine or ten when Mohammed consummated his marriage with her. Since a pedophile is defined as someone with a compulsion to have sex with children, and none of his other wives were so young, and his senior wife was older than him, and such marriages were within cultural norms back then, even in Christian Europe, a formal diagnosis if pedophilia seems untenable.
As to whether the story is true or not, there's no particular reason to believe Sunni doctrine over Shia. The Shiites put her at maybe eight to ten years older, maybe over 20. The reasons for the different estimates are political: The Sunni want to make Aisha seems astonishingly pure, and they do that by making her younger, therefore it is more miraculous that Mohammed's teachings were spread through her. Shia want to discredit her and support Mohammed's teachings through someone else, so their interest is in making her seem 'less pure' by making her older and her deeds therefore more ordinary.
There's no good reason to think anyone really knows the exact of age of Moahmmed's youngest wife when their marriage was consummated. Deciding to believe he was a pedophile seems mostly for the sake of having a club to bash Muslims with. It would be much more constructive to argue that Aisha was older if your goal is to persuade Muslims in certain countries where it's legal to give up child marriage.
Quote from: robert04330 on July 04, 2014, 04:37:04 PM
wow.. can anyone on this forum ancer a fucking question?
or is this just a meme forum?
Congratulations on getting one reply and judging the whole forum based on it. Classy.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on July 04, 2014, 05:21:13 PM
Because they are STILL DOING IT TODAY based on bullshit from the 8th century or so.
And it would be much easier to convince them the hadith about Aisha being nine is unreliable than to convince them that Mohammed was in the wrong.
I should think any hard evidence for "Muhammad being a paedophile" one way of the other has long rotted away, like Jesus being a love child of Roman soldiers.
Imo, I dont think the problem has to do so much with how acceptable such a thing was at the time (although I reckon it was probably frowned upon, since having sex with a 9 year old girl would more likely inhibit her ability to have children if anything)
I always figured that the problem was that since Mohammed was appointed "perfect human being and role model" that those of a Muslim faith could never at any point of time then or today claim that what he did was wrong.
you know,even in Indonesia a sheikh who married 12 years old girl was became a nationwide news because its unethical and break the law. what i don't understand is why Muhammad can married a 9 years old child but his follower cant ? is Muhammad is above the gods law ? i'm surrounded by moslem in my real life but nobody give a damn about Muhammad and his 13 wives.