This question is open ended and vague. An example would be if there were a law that you can be executed for cheating on your spouse.
Pretty simple. When the law says religious indoctrination is mandatory I stop conforming. The law doesn't say anyone has to conform to any such law so it's irrelevant.
Even as a theist, seeing someone else's freedom restricted is irritating
If its an atheist empire like the soviet union, should you conform to the laws of such a ruthless military dictatorship?
Well, be it as it may you've finally earned your way into my magic ignore list. Congratulations! :dance:
Quote from: phattmatt on May 12, 2014, 11:32:32 PM
If its an atheist empire like the soviet union, should you conform to the laws of such a ruthless military dictatorship?
First of all, the soviet Union wasn't an atheist empire. As I stated earlier in another thread, the antireligion stance had more to do with the fact that the Russian Orthodox religion was a major power and land owner in the Soviet Union and closely tied to the Czar. It was a natural target. Certain groups that had been perscuted under Czarist leadership, like the Jews and Muslims, were more tolerated under the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union was brutal, but that first in retaliation for Czarist atrocities and then for Nazi atrocities. And yes, it was easier to comply than fight. The East German government was brutal because the Russians had lost millions of lives in WW2 fighting them. Stalin was a monster, no doubt. Any totalitarian regime is. Better to lay low than die in a Siberian Gulag.
You should read The Secret Speech Strom.. It's a novel based on the exact same thing you just posted. Good read.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 12, 2014, 11:32:32 PM
If its an atheist empire like the soviet union, should you conform to the laws of such a ruthless military dictatorship?
I have as much in common with the Soviets as Tiberius Caesar has with Abraham Lincoln.
Quoteat what point is conformity to laws against your philosophy of atheism?
This is not a logical question: Name tagging, and therefore a rhetorical question.
In simple terms: Atheism has nothing to do with conformity to law, or not. So the question can't be answered. This is also a non sequitur, because it does not follow that an atheist will, or will not, conform to a law because of atheism. Solitary
Quote from: phattmatt on May 12, 2014, 11:10:13 PM
This question is open ended and vague. An example would be if there were a law that you can be executed for cheating on your spouse.
I would object to the law you cite as an example because I don't think adultery is a crime that deserves death. Nothing to do with my atheism.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 12, 2014, 11:32:32 PM
If its an atheist empire like the soviet union, should you conform to the laws of such a ruthless military dictatorship?
No, but since atheism is not a philosophy (nor is theism a religion), my atheism does not inform my opinion on the matter.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on May 13, 2014, 12:07:25 AM
You should read The Secret Speech Strom.. It's a novel based on the exact same thing you just posted. Good read.
Thanks, i will.
at what point is conformity to laws against your philosophy of atheism?
When the law requires me to believe in god(s); that is the only time it could be against atheism.
It depends on the individual law. Obviously killing some one for cheating on a spouse is over kill and an outrage! Definitely wouldn't conform to that.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 12, 2014, 11:10:13 PM
This question is open ended and vague. An example would be if there were a law that you can be executed for cheating on your spouse.
The fuck does that have to do with atheism?
Quote from: phattmatt on May 12, 2014, 11:10:13 PM
This question is open ended and vague. An example would be if there were a law that you can be executed for cheating on your spouse.
Adultery has absolutely nothing to do with atheism.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 12, 2014, 11:32:32 PM
If its an atheist empire like the soviet union, should you conform to the laws of such a ruthless military dictatorship?
The soviet union was not and is not an atheist empire. Are you sure you really understand what atheism is exactly? Because it doesn't seem like you do.
Maybe I should clear up my ignore list to see if those occupying it have changed one damned bit. Hey, maybe we'll have flying puppies too!
Quote from: the_antithesis on May 18, 2014, 02:28:28 PM
The fuck does that have to do with atheism?
just saying here are examples of laws that atheists and christians for that mattr do nosee any need to obey. Muslim law in some countries kills adulterers and cuts of Hands for stealing. Communist Atheist governments are no less hideous
Quote from: Johan on May 18, 2014, 02:59:14 PM
Adultery has absolutely nothing to do with atheism.
The soviet union was not and is not an atheist empire. Are you sure you really understand what atheism is exactly? Because it doesn't seem like you do.
the soviet union despised and outlawed religion.
Quotethe soviet union despised and outlawed religion.
You should invent a time machine and retroactivly become Ronald Reagan's speech writer. "Those godless communists!"
Even though I am classified as an atheist because I don't believe in any god, I identify myself more as a skeptic. Skepticism is my philosophy on beliefs in general (which is why I am atheist in the first place). So any rule that says I have to believe something without question or enough information, I immediately have a problem with it and I am almost even more skeptical of whatever I'm "supposed" to believe.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 18, 2014, 03:56:21 PM
Even though I am classified as an atheist because I don't believe in any god, I identify myself more as a skeptic. Skepticism is my philosophy on beliefs in general (which is why I am atheist in the first place). So any rule that says I have to believe something without question or enough information, I immediately have a problem with it and I am almost even more skeptical of whatever I'm "supposed" to believe.
I'm a skeptic
My point in making this thread was to see how important is conformity to the law. People of all religions and philosophies draw a line snd say we aren't conforming to this shit.
Go to the nearest prison you will find all sorts of people who are master minds for not conforming to the law. And for shits and giggles why not ask them how they feel about "Laws".
The answer is different for each individual. Now what laws will society conform to depends on what is socially acceptable in each culture.
Lenny Bruce explains why there are laws really well. (http://grooveshark.com/#!/search/song?q=Lenny+Bruce+How+The+Law+Got+Started+(Eat%2C+Sleep)
It's all about a society living together and being on the same page. That way we don't step on each other's toes.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 18, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
the soviet union despised and outlawed religion.
Right. That makes them anti-religion not atheist. There is a difference. A big difference. Huge.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 18, 2014, 04:37:35 PM
My point in making this thread was to see how important is conformity to the law.
The answer to that is far more dependent on potential punishment than it is on theology or lack thereof. Possession of pot is still illegal in most states and was illegal in all states when I was younger. But I've known lots of people in my life who could always be counted on to have a stash ready anytime 24/7. If the standard punishment for simple possession was death by execution, I suspect it would have been much more difficult for me to ever encounter someone who always had a supply of weed on hand.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 18, 2014, 03:37:30 PM
just saying here are examples of laws that atheists and christians for that mattr do nosee any need to obey.
So, nothing and you're a twat.
That's all you needed to say.
Quote from: the_antithesis on May 18, 2014, 07:12:54 PM
So, nothing and you're a twat.
That's all you needed to say.
I didnt say atheism but your philosophy on atheism.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 18, 2014, 07:22:28 PM
I didnt say atheism but your philosophy on atheism.
Of really?
So would be the difference?
Oh, right.
Nothing.
Don't start backpedaling behind semantics. Who are you trying to impress? Some chick? Just jump off a second floor balcony like everybody else.
Being homeless my advice to you if you're not going to conform to the law, don't conform as far away from the police as possible because they'll find a way to make sure you have a residence with a number to remember.
Quote from: the_antithesis on May 18, 2014, 08:03:28 PM
Of really?
So would be the difference?
Oh, right.
Nothing.
Don't start backpedaling behind semantics. Who are you trying to impress? Some chick? Just jump off a second floor balcony like everybody else.
there are atheists with different philosophies and opinions about what is ethical.
I think people that rape and sodomise children should be dismembered and their eyes plucked out and replaced by their testicles.
Except they don't do that. Pedophiles go to jail, lay low, do their time, get out and go right on to living underground. What you want and reality are not always the same thing.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 18, 2014, 08:49:24 PM
there are atheists with different philosophies and opinions about what is ethical.
I think people that rape and sodomise children should be dismembered and their eyes plucked out and replaced by their testicles.
I think you are a terrible person.
We all have our faults. I dont like child rapers or child killers. They ruin those poor kids for a lifetime. I guess id rather they were put out of their misery quickly rather than tortured but I hate them. I would never desire that they nbe burning in hell for eternity so I'm more kind than god
Quote from: phattmatt on May 18, 2014, 11:51:15 PM
We all have our faults. I dont like child rapers or child killers.
What did they ever do to you?
Fotunately never been alone with them. Ive had creeps come on to me and there was some middle aged guy that offered to give me a ride to work who touched my crotch and asked if we would hook up. I pushed his hand away and told him I was straight. He was probably a good person cuz he could have gotten away hitting me over the head with a crow bar, put me in hancuffs, ducttaped the mouth, and molested and murdered me and thrown the body in the mountains of montana for the wild beadts to eat.
I dont think he was a child rapist but a lonely homosexual.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 18, 2014, 08:49:24 PM
there are atheists with different philosophies and opinions about what is ethical.
Then that's not a philosophy of atheism, is it?
An example would be if you wrote a constitution on what atheism means to you personally, what is ethical for an atheist, how an atheist should behave, how an atheist shouldnt behave, what an atheist should approve or dissaprove of, who an atheist should not vote for or donate to, which forms of government an atheist should be in favor of etc.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 19, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
...what is ethical for an atheist, how an atheist should behave, how an atheist shouldnt behave, what an atheist should approve or dissaprove of, who an atheist should not vote for or donate to, which forms of government an atheist should be in favor of etc.
Again, these are all nonsensical questions because the only common element between atheists is a lack of belief in gods.
May as well ask what is ethical for carbon based life forms.
What part of "your personal philosophy" do u not understand?
Fine! Fuck it! I regret making this thread
Matt, what you don't understand is that atheism in itself doesn't dictate anything. Atheism is just the lack of belief in god(s).
Now look at the thread title: you ask about our "philosophy of atheism"; that's right, you don't ask about our personal worldviews, you imply that our atheism in some ways dictates them. In other words, you make the same mistake as most theists do, that is, they consider atheism as another form of religion or belief.
Quote from: DunkleSeele on May 19, 2014, 05:13:57 PM
Matt, what you don't understand is that atheism in itself doesn't dictate anything. Atheism is just the lack of belief in god(s).
Now look at the thread title: you ask about our "philosophy of atheism"; that's right, you don't ask about our personal worldviews, you imply that our atheism in some ways dictates them. In other words, you make the same mistake as most theists do, that is, they consider atheism as another form of religion or belief.
Should an Atheist vote for a fanatic Catholic/fundamentalist politician because they like his/her views on the right to bear firearms?
Quote from: phattmatt on May 19, 2014, 05:58:02 PM
Should an Atheist vote for a fanatic Catholic/fundamentalist politician because they like his/her views on the right to bear firearms?
If finding a politician who shares his/her views on the right to bear arms in his/her utmost concern and the fanatic Catholic/fundamentalist politician is the only one who shares them, then yes.
time to coin in again.
You're asking an impossible question because there is no philosophy of atheism. Now if you want individual answers from each individual on their opinion of what that philosophy should be if it even could be that's a different story. And I suspect that's what you actually wanted.
My personal standards are
to be kind to others
Give other people the benefit of the doubt because you really don't know what some one else is experiencing at the moment.
I also advise giving to secular charities because not every one was born with the same privileges and there are also people who screwed up and need a hand up to get back on their feet.
I also generally give what ever money I can to any one who asks me for it.
Now I'm not saying run around and give all your money away! I'm just saying if some one asks for change and it won't harm you to give it to them, then give it to them.
And avoid being an ass hole as much as possible because it proves to religious people that atheists are all ass holes.
I know they will go on believing that any how but I try my hardest to give examples where they are wrong as much as possible.
Educate your self as much as possible.
Don't take other peoples advice only you know what's right for you.
Well that's my list for now. Sorry about all the horrible grammar.
Any one can disagree with me!
Quote from: doorknob on May 19, 2014, 09:44:47 PM
time to coin in again.
You're asking an impossible question because there is no philosophy of atheism. Now if you want individual answers from each individual on their opinion of what that philosophy should be if it even could be that's a different story. And I suspect that's what you actually wanted.
My personal standards are
to be kind to others
Give other people the benefit of the doubt because you really don't know what some one else is experiencing at the moment.
I also advise giving to secular charities because not every one was born with the same privileges and there are also people who screwed up and need a hand up to get back on their feet.
I also generally give what ever money I can to any one who asks me for it.
Now I'm not saying run around and give all your money away! I'm just saying if some one asks for change and it won't harm you to give it to them, then give it to them.
And avoid being an ass hole as much as possible because it proves to religious people that atheists are all ass holes.
I know they will go on believing that any how but I try my hardest to give examples where they are wrong as much as possible.
Educate your self as much as possible.
Don't take other peoples advice only you know what's right for you.
Well that's my list for now. Sorry about all the horrible grammar.
Any one can disagree with me!
how cute!
No I know atheists aren't always assholes. There are a lot of christians who ate asshole.
That is so kind of u to practice the golden rule without expecting reward in heaven. I gave you a like sweety :p
Quote from: Poison Tree on May 19, 2014, 06:52:26 PM
If finding a politician who shares his/her views on the right to bear arms in his/her utmost concern and the fanatic Catholic/fundamentalist politician is the only one who shares them, then yes.
gave your posta like but callin bullshit. I think if you had an atheizt friend who was gonna vote for a religious asshole you would advise him not to if u r the average atheist.
Quote from: phattmatt on May 19, 2014, 09:53:43 PM
gave your posta like but callin bullshit. I think if you had an atheizt friend who was gonna vote for a religious asshole you would advise him not to if u r the average atheist.
Yes, I'd advise him not to, but a politician's stance on guns isn't a pressing concern of mine like it is to my hypothetical friend, so said friend would likely ignore my advice and vote based on his single overriding issue. In fact, years ago on a different (gaming) forum I met a self described atheist who said that the two key issues that decided whom he voted for were pro-second amendment and pro-life. He was perfectly willing to have congress overrun with bible thumping wing nuts as long as, in his terms, they supported the right of fetuses to own assault weapons to defend their uterus-home.
U r a goofball!
I'm not sure very many atheist candidates exist over here in america. So I'm not sure any of us have much choice other than to vote for some one religiously affiliated. I tend to also vote for some one who is at least similar to my ideals. And that's pretty hard to find because of all the corruption in the government these days.
Quote from: doorknob on May 20, 2014, 06:47:26 AM
I'm not sure very many atheist candidates exist over here in america. So I'm not sure any of us have much choice other than to vote for some one religiously affiliated. I tend to also vote for some one who is at least similar to my ideals. And that's pretty hard to find because of all the corruption in the government these days.
It is a relief to know how much atheists follow the golden rule