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Title: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 03, 2014, 09:57:15 PM
I don't like living. I don't like world. I don't like people. I don't like existing.
I do not want to exist anymore. I want to stop existing in any way, shape or form.
I want to NO LONGER EXIST. It's the ONLY thing that I want.
However some people say that it is impossible. And it kinda pisses me off.
I want to die but I fear that death is not the end. There might be some kind of set up like I might wake up in some another place where dying is in fact impossible. I don't like that.

So what is the likelihood that when I die I will no longer exist? There are many stupid people who say different versions of afterlife all of which I hate. I don't want any afterlife AT ALL.

Also I am not misanthrope or anything. If you like existing that's good for you. But I don't. I want this to end.

Also I have concern that different ways of dying give different chances of not existing. Which is kind of stupid but I seem to be concerned about it as well.

Anyway I want to stop existing. How do I reach that? All I have to do is die?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Aletheia on May 03, 2014, 10:10:33 PM
Not that I condone suicide, which I normally do not except in extenuating circumstances, such as terminal illness and so on and so forth, but I will say this in regards to ending your existence. If there is indeed an afterlife (current evidence weighs heavily against this, mind you), then you would simply wake in a new plane of existence with the exact same problem you have now, which means not much has really changed.

However, if this is indeed the only time in which your consciousness has existence and there isn't an afterlife (which is current evidence shows support), then yes, you would merely have to terminate your brain either directly or indirectly, since that is the origin of your consciousness, and therefore the origin of you.

Keep in mind that whatever is triggering this desire for nonexistence may simply be the result of poor chemistry in the brain and should be addressed first. If you can make the desire for nonexistence go away, then that would be a path with much more promise than nonexistence. Current evidence supports the notion that you only exist once and will not be expected to make a reappearance ever again. Be a shame to waste the opportunity you have to enjoy life.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: aitm on May 03, 2014, 10:24:11 PM
The idea that humans, would be the only life forms to be able to experience an "after-life" is the ultimate arrogance of humanity. If you can agree that we are no more than animals with a bit more intelligence than the other animals, and that we kill them by the billions for food and the possibility of after lifes for them as well, can become a rather staggering exercise in mental gymnastics. All those turkeys going off into another life? Really? Yeah.....say good night and welcome to the darkness, you won't know it.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 03, 2014, 10:24:27 PM
No one here is going to condone suicide. What you do is your decision. No one here knows with absolute certainty what happens after death. Most of us believe with a high certainty there is no afterlife, because no credible evidence proves that one exists. 

And I do not believe you are suicidal. If you were, the issue of ending your life would already be decided. And just because you hate your life does not by itself constitute enough reason to end it. Taking your life means that living is no longer a viable option. That you came on here tells me there is still room for something, however remote you might think it to be.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Berati on May 04, 2014, 12:06:43 AM

Who would've thought that even such a simple thing like non existence which should be free would be hard to get? World is tough.
It's not at all hard to get.
What is very hard to get is absolute certainty. This seems to be what you want. It seems to me that you want absolute certainty before making a decision. This may be part of your problem.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 04, 2014, 02:26:31 AM
It's not at all hard to get.
What is very hard to get is absolute certainty. This seems to be what you want. It seems to me that you want absolute certainty before making a decision. This may be part of your problem.
Yes. I want to know that I will cease to exist instead of waking up in a place I cannot escape. I would hate that.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: aileron on May 04, 2014, 10:10:08 AM
You should go to a doctor and ask him to consult with you about major (clinical) depression.  It's quite common and with treatment you may find you enjoy life after all.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Johan on May 04, 2014, 10:24:29 AM
Yes. I want to know that I will cease to exist instead of waking up in a place I cannot escape. I would hate that.
Anyone who claims they can give you absolute certainty that there is or isn't some kind of afterlife is lying. No one can give you 100% certainty on that.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 04, 2014, 10:54:04 AM
You should go to a doctor and ask him to consult with you about major (clinical) depression.  It's quite common and with treatment you may find you enjoy life after all.

^this.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: KUSA on May 04, 2014, 11:05:00 PM
Yes. I want to know that I will cease to exist instead of waking up in a place I cannot escape. I would hate that.
Whether you die now or of old age you are still faced with this uncertainty.
The best thing to do is not to worry about it just choose to be happy.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on May 04, 2014, 11:50:24 PM
I've been down the rabbit hole of suicidal thoughts more times than I'd like to admit, but now at 54 I'm closer to death from old age than I once was. To be honest I'm not and never really have been all that thrilled to be alive. It's nothing special, but neither is death. You really do have only two options. You can either get older or you can die. You can't do both at the same time.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 05, 2014, 12:03:50 AM
Well if there is a shitty place after death I guess we all go there :D
I don't think manner in which we die has much affect on it. So there will never be certainty?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Casparov on May 05, 2014, 03:08:45 AM
i hate to break it to you but you can't not exist. It's impossible. There is no such thing as death. You are immortal. Existence is the one thing you can't run away from, your only option is to face existence head on and learn and grow and evolve. The longer you put the this off, longer you continue to suffer.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 05, 2014, 03:59:42 AM
i hate to break it to you but you can't not exist. It's impossible. There is no such thing as death. You are immortal. Existence is the one thing you can't run away from, your only option is to face existence head on and learn and grow and evolve. The longer you put the this off, longer you continue to suffer.
And you know this how?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: SGOS on May 05, 2014, 04:08:38 AM
i hate to break it to you but you can't not exist. It's impossible. There is no such thing as death. You are immortal. Existence is the one thing you can't run away from, your only option is to face existence head on and learn and grow and evolve. The longer you put the this off, longer you continue to suffer.
Casparov, your knowledge of the unknowable is astounding.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: DunkleSeele on May 05, 2014, 04:14:11 AM
i hate to break it to you but you can't not exist. It's impossible. There is no such thing as death. You are immortal. Existence is the one thing you can't run away from, your only option is to face existence head on and learn and grow and evolve. The longer you put the this off, longer you continue to suffer.
Bold assertions need strong evidence. Do you have any for what you wrote above?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: DunkleSeele on May 05, 2014, 04:22:13 AM
I don't like living. I don't like world. I don't like people. I don't like existing.
I do not want to exist anymore. I want to stop existing in any way, shape or form.
I want to NO LONGER EXIST. It's the ONLY thing that I want.
However some people say that it is impossible. And it kinda pisses me off.
I want to die but I fear that death is not the end. There might be some kind of set up like I might wake up in some another place where dying is in fact impossible. I don't like that.

So what is the likelihood that when I die I will no longer exist? There are many stupid people who say different versions of afterlife all of which I hate. I don't want any afterlife AT ALL.

Also I am not misanthrope or anything. If you like existing that's good for you. But I don't. I want this to end.

Also I have concern that different ways of dying give different chances of not existing. Which is kind of stupid but I seem to be concerned about it as well.

Anyway I want to stop existing. How do I reach that? All I have to do is die?
I see a slight contradiction between the two bolded parts. :wink2:

As for your conundrum: this is an atheist forum, therefore most people here by definition do not believe in an afterlife, although we of course cannot exclude it categorically.

As someone already said, one day you'll find out anyway whether there's an afterlife or not. In the meanwhile, why don't you try to solve the issues which brought you to despise life?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 05, 2014, 05:18:51 AM
You should go to a doctor and ask him to consult with you about major (clinical) depression.  It's quite common and with treatment you may find you enjoy life after all.
Been there. They don't fix what has to be fixed.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Bibliofagus on May 05, 2014, 05:26:13 AM
How old are you?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 05, 2014, 05:27:17 AM
How old are you?
Why?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Bibliofagus on May 05, 2014, 05:50:49 AM
Why?

Because it obviously matters.
If you are 14 and think the stuff you think that's something completely different than a 80 year old person thinking the stuff you think.

You know why?

People change during the course of their lives.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Elect on May 05, 2014, 06:22:53 AM
There is no such thing as death. You are immortal. Existence is the one thing you can't run away from, your only option is to face existence head on and learn and grow and evolve. The longer you put the this off, longer you continue to suffer.

Also, superpowers shoot out your eyeballs, and you have a really cool costume. Your archnemesis is evil and disfigured but in a really cool way. Your only weakness is that you are entirely fictitious.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 05, 2014, 06:50:15 AM
Because it obviously matters.
If you are 14 and think the stuff you think that's something completely different than a 80 year old person thinking the stuff you think.

You know why?

People change during the course of their lives.
I'm pretty old. But even if I was young I don't think it makes any difference. In fact it's even worse if you're young.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Johan on May 05, 2014, 06:52:54 AM
Been there. They don't fix what has to be fixed.
Then find another. And another and another if that's what it takes.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Bibliofagus on May 05, 2014, 06:59:01 AM
I'm pretty old. But even if I was young I don't think it makes any difference. In fact it's even worse if you're young.

You are getting better then. Try to work on and with that.
Also: seek help doing so.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 05, 2014, 08:19:38 AM
Then find another. And another and another if that's what it takes.
You sound very stupid now.

You are getting better then.
How so?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: the_antithesis on May 05, 2014, 10:31:28 AM
You click that  button labeled "Logout" on the top of this page.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 05, 2014, 11:00:26 AM
I am an elderly person. I would, under various circumstances, seek to end my own life. But I would never advocate suicide because your life is your business, not mine. If I committed suicide I would do so as a rational decision and would do it in a way that would be relatively painless and certain, eliminating any possibility of failure.

In my case, I would go to a place that I know where there is a high cliff. I would sit in a certain spot and take drugs that would make me drowsy. When I became too drowsy to sit up I would topple and fall a very long way to a certain (drowning) death. My suicide note would be mailed that same day, a copy to all my children, with reasons explaining my decision, and what to do with my belongings.

My body would be in a large river that flows eventually to the ocean, so that I would be giving myself back to the mother of all life on our planet.

Or else I would make a stencil that spelled "fuck you" and tape it to the back of my head and blow my brains out with a 12 gauge. Spell "fuck you" with blood and brains all over my walls.

You know, be creative.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Bibliofagus on May 05, 2014, 11:04:32 AM
How so?

You sound very stupid now.
You just told me you used to feel even worse.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 05, 2014, 11:10:02 AM
You click that  button labeled "Logout" on the top of this page.

Cool. I'm going to tape a logout button to my chest for a conversation starter.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 05, 2014, 11:41:53 AM
i hate to break it to you but you can't not exist. It's impossible. There is no such thing as death. You are immortal. Existence is the one thing you can't run away from, your only option is to face existence head on and learn and grow and evolve. The longer you put the this off, longer you continue to suffer.
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Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 05, 2014, 12:46:09 PM
Yeah. You can ignore Casparov. He is just raining on your parade. If you decide to end it, get creative. Go out in a way that makes a statement. Leave a killer (joking)  suicide note or at least die in a memorable way. Think dynamite versus heroin. Go out with a bang, not a whimper.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: KUSA on May 05, 2014, 12:58:19 PM
You are immortal.

How about a brief explanation of this? I say brief because you tend to be absurdly long winded with your idiotic babble and it bores me.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 05, 2014, 01:09:30 PM
How about a brief explanation of this? I say brief because you tend to be absurdly long winded with your idiotic babble and it bores me.

True dat. The dude is a one man woo machine
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 05, 2014, 01:15:42 PM
Long winded? I spent 4 years on submarines. This guy could last a whole patrol on one breath.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 05, 2014, 02:24:47 PM
You sound very stupid now.
You just told me you used to feel even worse.
No. I said that I don't like when children want to die. I don't think children should suffer. It's better if old people die instead of young people. But the fact that children want to die means there is something not right in the world.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: the_antithesis on May 05, 2014, 02:37:56 PM
No. I said that I don't like when children want to die. I don't think children should suffer. It's better if old people die instead of young people. But the fact that children want to die means there is something not right in the world.

Yes. It's the world that's the problem.

[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 05, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
Yes. It's the world that's the problem.

[/sarcasm]
And you think it's not?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Solitary on May 05, 2014, 02:59:35 PM
I don't like living. I don't like world. I don't like people. I don't like existing.
I do not want to exist anymore. I want to stop existing in any way, shape or form.
I want to NO LONGER EXIST. It's the ONLY thing that I want.
However some people say that it is impossible. And it kinda pisses me off.
I want to die but I fear that death is not the end. There might be some kind of set up like I might wake up in some another place where dying is in fact impossible. I don't like that.

So what is the likelihood that when I die I will no longer exist? There are many stupid people who say different versions of afterlife all of which I hate. I don't want any afterlife AT ALL.

Also I am not misanthrope or anything. If you like existing that's good for you. But I don't. I want this to end.

Also I have concern that different ways of dying give different chances of not existing. Which is kind of stupid but I seem to be concerned about it as well.

Anyway I want to stop existing. How do I reach that? All I have to do is die?

"I don't like people"
"Also I am not misanthrope"

You do know this is a contradiction don't you? The thought of suicide has got me through many a bad time. But why not be happy since your life will definitely end, and if it doesn't, be happy it didn't. I have had PTSD most of my life for multiple traumatic events and understand your wanting to be dead, but I finally got help and am taking medication that has really made all the difference. Get help, and try to think good thoughts and not bad ones. If it is a work, the world situation or the stupidity of mankind, or marriage that makes you want to die, then find an answer by quitting work after finding a job you like, ort get a divorce, and quit listening to the news and take a walk alone in the natural world and enjoy how beautiful it is, and just laugh at the stupid people and make fun of them and their nonsense. You have the will to live, use it, don't abuse it.

Also, if you think of things harmful to your body it will kick up anxiety and feelings of dread. The body reacts to your thoughts like they are real, if you control your thoughts and think of the good things in life it won't become a vicious circle of negative emotions like panic attacks that are a living hell. Smile, there is no hell after you are dead. Solitary
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: the_antithesis on May 05, 2014, 03:07:12 PM
And you think it's not?

Much like how you are the only common element in all of your failed relationships. It is so like a teenager to think there's a problem with the world when they are depressed. To quote someone, the rain is not cold. The rain is not unhappy. You are cold and unhappy. If so many children are suicidal, the problem lies more with them than the world. More likely they just can't handle growing up, or don't want to and don't think they should have to. Rather childish, actually.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Solitary on May 05, 2014, 03:10:45 PM
i hate to break it to you but you can't not exist. It's impossible. There is no such thing as death. You are immortal. Existence is the one thing you can't run away from, your only option is to face existence head on and learn and grow and evolve. The longer you put the this off, longer you continue to suffer.

Casparov, Just walk in front of a freight train and be reborn if you think that is true.  Idiot! Solitary 
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Bibliofagus on May 05, 2014, 04:34:27 PM
No. I said that I don't like when children want to die.

Erm no you didn't. But whatever.

But the fact that children want to die means there is something not right in the world.

Kids with real problems (like hunger, or a life threatening disease) I meet have a strong wish to live. It's spoiled kids - like you - who want to die. Most of these - like you - are just too lazy to make an effort at having a good life. Like antithesis said: The common factor in your failed interaction with the world is you.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Johan on May 05, 2014, 09:06:18 PM
You sound very stupid now.

Alrighty then. Sorry I tried to help. Don't worry it won't happen again. Good luck with that whole wanting to off yourself thing then.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Moralnihilist on May 05, 2014, 09:07:53 PM
And you think it's not?

So eat a bullet.
Or dont.
I don't care  either way.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Shol'va on May 05, 2014, 09:23:33 PM
To op:  the ONLY choice you have is to roll  the dice, one way or the other.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 05, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
So eat a bullet.
Or dont.
I don't care  either way.

I'm thinking .45 hollow point. You?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Moralnihilist on May 05, 2014, 11:07:30 PM
I'm thinking .45 hollow point. You?

 .500 S&W Magnum
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 05, 2014, 11:25:41 PM
.500 S&W Magnum

Damnit! overgunned again.  :sad2:
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Casparov on May 06, 2014, 12:02:27 AM
To the OP:

You can kill yourself if you want, no body can stop you if you really want to do that. But it will in the end be a huge waste of your time. You are not your physical body, you are awareness itself, you are the capacity for experience, you are consciousness. This physical reality is nothing more than a stream of data, information processing producing a virtual reality. You can kill your physical body that exists within this physical reality, but you as consciousness can never cease to exist because you are one with the foundation of all reality. You are that which things exist within. You will only switch data streams, and continue to experience and exist, and your problems will be just as problematic as ever. You will have gained nothing and lost opportunity.

If you kill your physical body, you will have only succeeded in ending the opportunity for growth within this physical reality. You will not have succeeding in ceasing to exist. You are experiencing life within this particular physical reality because the constraints and the ruleset of this physical reality present to you opportunities for growth and evolution of your consciousness. Whatever problems you are running into, whatever issues you are having to deal with, killing your physical body is not the answer. You will continue to have to deal with these very same problems and issues within any virtual reality you end up in, even if you are born again into this one, and this is because of the quality of your own consciousness.

Everywhere you look is a reflection of you, if you see nothing but negativity it is because you are only able to see the way you interpret reality. If you interpret all information in a negative way, all information, no matter how positive, no matter with what good intentions it arrives within your consciousness, you will perceive as objectively negative. If all you see is negativity it is because all you project is negativity. It is the quality of your consciousness that needs to change. This will follow you to wherever you go, to the farthest reaches of the multiverse, because it is you who are choosing (perhaps subconsciously) to bring it with you wherever you go. Your only solution is to grow, and evolve the quality of your consciousness. You have the opportunity to accomplish such growth here, today, during this life. It is the very reason why you are here.

But of course, you also have the free will to throw this life away, but whatever it is that you are trying to run away from will not go away until you face it head on and overcome it. This is growth and evolution. Facing fears and overcoming obstacles. There is no running away from existence. But you can try, it's ultimately up to you. Take my word for it, Im a Mother Fucking ghost for Christ's sake! PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL MY HIPPIES AMEN
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Elect on May 06, 2014, 12:26:24 AM
To the OP:

You can kill yourself if you want, no body can stop you if you really want to do that. But it will in the end be a huge waste of your time. You are not your physical body, you are awareness itself, you are the capacity for experience, you are consciousness. This physical reality is nothing more than a stream of data, information processing producing a virtual reality.

Cmon man. You took every spirit science new age philosophy-religion and just blended it all together. And you can't be repurposing words like evolution for use in a spirit science rant. Dumb people get really confused about science already, they don't need to be confused into thinking science supports this stuff by dropping sciencey sounding words and applying them to your mulitiverse soul theory. You gotta pick one or the other. Science or new age religion, trying to marry the two gives people the creeps. It's perverted.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 06, 2014, 12:38:00 AM
To op:  the ONLY choice you have is to roll  the dice, one way or the other.
Where do you think you will go when you die?

As for dice what are the odds?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Moralnihilist on May 06, 2014, 12:56:39 AM
random woo bullshit

You got any proof for this bullshit sandwich you are trying to pass off as truth? If not kindly shut your cockholster.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 06, 2014, 02:22:51 AM
To the OP:

If you kill your physical body, you will have only succeeded in ending the opportunity for growth within this physical reality.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you just contradicted your entire argument.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: DunkleSeele on May 06, 2014, 02:31:11 AM
To the OP:

You can kill yourself if you want, no body can stop you if you really want to do that. But it will in the end be a huge waste of your time. You are not your physical body, you are awareness itself, you are the capacity for experience, you are consciousness. This physical reality is nothing more than a stream of data, information processing producing a virtual reality. You can kill your physical body that exists within this physical reality, but you as consciousness can never cease to exist because you are one with the foundation of all reality. You are that which things exist within. You will only switch data streams, and continue to experience and exist, and your problems will be just as problematic as ever. You will have gained nothing and lost opportunity.

If you kill your physical body, you will have only succeeded in ending the opportunity for growth within this physical reality. You will not have succeeding in ceasing to exist. You are experiencing life within this particular physical reality because the constraints and the ruleset of this physical reality present to you opportunities for growth and evolution of your consciousness. Whatever problems you are running into, whatever issues you are having to deal with, killing your physical body is not the answer. You will continue to have to deal with these very same problems and issues within any virtual reality you end up in, even if you are born again into this one, and this is because of the quality of your own consciousness.

Everywhere you look is a reflection of you, if you see nothing but negativity it is because you are only able to see the way you interpret reality. If you interpret all information in a negative way, all information, no matter how positive, no matter with what good intentions it arrives within your consciousness, you will perceive as objectively negative. If all you see is negativity it is because all you project is negativity. It is the quality of your consciousness that needs to change. This will follow you to wherever you go, to the farthest reaches of the multiverse, because it is you who are choosing (perhaps subconsciously) to bring it with you wherever you go. Your only solution is to grow, and evolve the quality of your consciousness. You have the opportunity to accomplish such growth here, today, during this life. It is the very reason why you are here.

But of course, you also have the free will to throw this life away, but whatever it is that you are trying to run away from will not go away until you face it head on and overcome it. This is growth and evolution. Facing fears and overcoming obstacles. There is no running away from existence. But you can try, it's ultimately up to you. Take my word for it, Im a Mother Fucking ghost for Christ's sake! PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL MY HIPPIES AMEN
More unsubstantiated, new-ageist woo from our resident Chopra's Baghdad Bob.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: DunkleSeele on May 06, 2014, 02:42:15 AM
Where do you think you will go when you die?

As for dice what are the odds?
I'm not Shol'va, but I will give you my opinion.

There's not a single shred of proof or evidence of an afterlife. Not a single one. Therefore it's correct to assume that, when we die, we aren't "going" anywhere. In other words, it is correct to assume that consciousness stops with death, just as you didn't have consciousness before your birth. Is it a certainty? No, of course not. But it's a very educated guess.

What are the odds? My opinion is that an afterlife has about as much probability as a unicorn popping out of your backside. Your choice.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Casparov on May 06, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
I'm not Shol'va, but I will give you my opinion.

There's not a single shred of proof or evidence of an afterlife. Not a single one. Therefore it's correct to assume that, when we die, we aren't "going" anywhere. In other words, it is correct to assume that consciousness stops with death, just as you didn't have consciousness before your birth. Is it a certainty? No, of course not. But it's a very educated guess.

What are the odds? My opinion is that an afterlife has about as much probability as a unicorn popping out of your backside. Your choice.

If it were proven that mind is dependent on matter I would agree. Though because it has been shown that what we observe as matter is dependent on mind I disagree.

Further, proof of afterlife is absolutely attainable. One would only need to acquire the skills and put in the time and dedication in order to induce out of body experiences at will, this would take maybe 6 months of disciplined and serious practice, and then one would be able to ascertain for one's self as to whether life after death is a possibility by experiencing it first hand. If one achieves these skills one can utilize the scientific method to determine if the experiences are tricks of the brain or real experiences.

This is a possibility. One can prove this to one's self. If all you do is listen to other people's experiences and stories and opinions about these types of experiences you will never have proof. But if you really wanted to know for sure, there is only one way, and that is through first hand experience.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Elect on May 06, 2014, 04:04:01 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism_syndrome
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: DunkleSeele on May 06, 2014, 04:30:55 AM
If it were proven that mind is dependent on matter I would agree. Though because it has been shown that what we observe as matter is dependent on mind I disagree.

Further, proof of afterlife is absolutely attainable. One would only need to acquire the skills and put in the time and dedication in order to induce out of body experiences at will, this would take maybe 6 months of disciplined and serious practice, and then one would be able to ascertain for one's self as to whether life after death is a possibility by experiencing it first hand. If one achieves these skills one can utilize the scientific method to determine if the experiences are tricks of the brain or real experiences.

This is a possibility. One can prove this to one's self. If all you do is listen to other people's experiences and stories and opinions about these types of experiences you will never have proof. But if you really wanted to know for sure, there is only one way, and that is through first hand experience.
More Chopra-like bullshit. Out of body experiences? Yeaahhhh, right.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Casparov on May 06, 2014, 05:11:26 AM
More Chopra-like bullshit. Out of body experiences? Yeaahhhh, right.

Throw out the word "chopra" maybe even say the word "woo" and then dismiss the idea entirely and move on with your life. Easy breezy. Another person may spend the next 6 months researching and diligently attempting to master the skill of inducing out of body experiences and learn via first-hand knowledge that there is much much more reality out there beyond this physical reality and consciousness persists with or without the physical body.

That you have the ability to self-induce these experiences is fact. Whether they are true experiences or tricks of the mind can only be determined via first hand experience. Only those who put in the time and effort will reap the benefits that only direct experience can offer. But to say that there is no proof possible is absolutely incorrect. If life does indeed persist beyond physical death, then this would be the way to find out. And those who want to find out bad enough will. Those who don't, won't.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Jason78 on May 06, 2014, 05:26:44 AM
Science currently considers the out of body experience to be a type of hallucination that can be caused by various psychological and neurological factors.

Apparently you can have one just by stimulating regions of the brain called the right temporal-parietal junction.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: DunkleSeele on May 06, 2014, 05:39:47 AM
Throw out the word "chopra" maybe even say the word "woo" and then dismiss the idea entirely and move on with your life. Easy breezy.
If you don't want to hear the word "Chopra", then stop behaving like his personal Baghdad Bob.
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Another person may spend the next 6 months researching and diligently attempting to master the skill of inducing out of body experiences and learn via first-hand knowledge that there is much much more reality out there beyond this physical reality and consciousness persists with or without the physical body.
They are called hallucination, and there's no skill involved, just delusions.

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That you have the ability to self-induce these experiences is fact.
And? They're still hallucinations and calling them any other way doesn't change this fact.
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Whether they are true experiences or tricks of the mind can only be determined via first hand experience.
No, it's been already determined by science, dumbass. They're hallucinations.
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Only those who put in the time and effort will reap the benefits that only direct experience can offer. But to say that there is no proof possible is absolutely incorrect. If life does indeed persist beyond physical death, then this would be the way to find out. And those who want to find out bad enough will. Those who don't, won't.
Hallucinations are no proof of afterlife whatsoever. Unless you're Chopra's Baghdad Bob, of course.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Johan on May 06, 2014, 06:02:36 AM
Further, proof of afterlife is absolutely attainable. One would only need to acquire the skills and put in the time and dedication in order to induce out of body experiences at will, this would take maybe 6 months of disciplined and serious practice, and then one would be able to ascertain for one's self as to whether life after death is a possibility by experiencing it first hand.
Experiencing hallucinations only proves that hallucinations exist.

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If one achieves these skills one can utilize the scientific method to determine if the experiences are tricks of the brain or real experiences.
Its been done. They're tricks of the brain.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 06, 2014, 06:08:35 AM
By the way atheists are better than religious people.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: DunkleSeele on May 06, 2014, 07:33:30 AM
By the way atheists are better than religious people.
Johnson, "atheist" means only that we don't believe in deities of any kind. Being "better" (better at what, by the way?) is not an automatic  outcome of atheism.

By the way, there are religious atheists; you will find that there's plenty of atheist religions (some new age cults, for example) and some also believe in BS like reincarnation, afterlife and the likes. It's the typical reaction of people who can't accept "I don't know" as an answer to the question "is there something else besides this existence?"
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 06, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
If you can lay your hands on a small boat and some dynamite, you can leave a big impression on people in a park with a duck pond, just saying. And possibly provide free duck dinners for the shocked onlookers. And probably mentally scar a mess of children for life.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 06, 2014, 09:46:41 PM
If you can lay your hands on a small boat and some dynamite, you can leave a big impression on people in a park with a duck pond, just saying. And possibly provide free duck dinners for the shocked onlookers. And probably mentally scar a mess of children for life.
Are you ok?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: aitm on May 06, 2014, 10:01:12 PM
whatever you do, make sure you hold on to a piece of non-materialistic string so you can find your way back if you don't like it there....
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Contemporary Protestant on May 06, 2014, 10:42:29 PM
Mental illness has been in my family for generations, and I have a therapist, and she told me that there is no cure for my depression, I will always hurt but the point of treatment is to deal with the pain. Just find a support group and hang in there. If you want to end it just think about how it would hurt everyone around you, there is always someone who cares

I have to ask, why do u ask about the afterlife, if you're an atheist?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: KUSA on May 06, 2014, 10:49:50 PM
If you can lay your hands on a small boat and some dynamite, you can leave a big impression on people in a park with a duck pond, just saying. And possibly provide free duck dinners for the shocked onlookers. And probably mentally scar a mess of children for life.

How about if he went skydiving and blew his self up at about 500 feet. The blood and guts would splatter everyone for a couple of blocks.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: johnson on May 07, 2014, 06:52:42 PM
Mental illness has been in my family for generations, and I have a therapist, and she told me that there is no cure for my depression, I will always hurt but the point of treatment is to deal with the pain. Just find a support group and hang in there. If you want to end it just think about how it would hurt everyone around you, there is always someone who cares

I have to ask, why do u ask about the afterlife, if you're an atheist?
A little bit concerned about the possibility. There is no 100% guarantee.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Contemporary Protestant on May 07, 2014, 06:58:46 PM
Well if you need to talk, I will listen, and you're right there is no 100% about anything. Its up to you to decide what risks are worth taking
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Aletheia on May 07, 2014, 09:31:56 PM
A little bit concerned about the possibility. There is no 100% guarantee.

I've had to confront suicidal thoughts and impulses throughout much of my life. In the end (no pun intended), I've come to the conclusion that my life is guaranteed to end no matter what. The decision is not about my life ending or not, rather it is a matter of how long I'm willing to wait for the inevitable end. All of my research shows this life is most likely the only one I will ever have - this is the only time I will ever be here. With this in mind, it seems reasonable to let life play out at its own pace. There isn't any need to rush to my inevitable end. I can be patient and enjoy the scenic route.

So, trying to determine if there is nothing after life with 100% certainty was never the issue. Everywhere I look shows no scientific evidence in support of an afterlife, so I can reasonably assume this life will surely end. Rather, I've had to learn to temper my impatience and not waste this one chance I have of experiencing life (or anything for that matter). Seriously, what's the rush?
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: stromboli on May 08, 2014, 01:08:13 AM
Are you ok?

The title of the thread is how do I cease to exist? You have a problem I'm providing methods? Ingrate.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on May 08, 2014, 04:25:53 PM
Helium is readily available and painless. Barring that there are instructions all over the internet on how to end it all.

But you're not here for that, you're here to try to convince yourself that suicide will lead to a painless nonexistence. You're looking for certainty. Well we can't provide that. While the evidence (or rather lack of evidence) suggest that consciousness ends when you die, and that is what I believe to be the case, I can't be 100% certain. Anyone who says they're 100% certain better provide some fucking evidence or they're a damn liar. Look elsewhere if you want certainty before offing yourself, you won't find it here. Otherwise get help or kill yourself and face the slim possibility that there is another life.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Johan on May 08, 2014, 07:26:45 PM
I think it should be stated that if you take nothing else away from this thread, please take this. If you should decide to end your life, please end your life only. I don't endorse or encourage anyone to choose suicide, but I do understand why some can find it to be a desirable option. However I will never understand why people sometimes choose to kill themselves in a way that causes other to die as well. If you want to kill yourself, so be it. But don't be a dick about it.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 08, 2014, 07:55:42 PM
I think suicide is a right that someone has. But it can never be made on whim, that would be problematic. One should be in charge of one's full faculties, be of a certain maturity and should probably go through a long period of selfreflection. It's your own choice. Yes, you always should think of those who you leave behind. And yes, you should be absolutely certain that it is what you want; there are (most likely) no take-backs.
It is probably the most important decision of your life. So think it over, and I would advise against it.
It is not impossible that there is an afterlife, there is just no proof pointing towards one. That is about as sure as it will get. Think about it being as sure as there not being unicorns. Not a 100%. Just no proof.
But you'll be dead for such a long period already. You've not existed for billions of years and you'll continue to not exist for billions of years until perhaps time and space stop existing, if such a thing is possible.
With this in mind, its your choice ultimately. But with the chance for 99.9999999...% of the time of the universe's existence being spent in non-existance, this 0.0000...00001% is all the chance you get to make it something worthwhile. With all that time being spent in non-existence, is it not better to try to see if you can' turn it around? To try 'till the last breath of your natural life to get to see what beauty others witness in this existence? To get to know new people who teach you new things and broaden your horizon?
It's your choice. But I personally hope you don't do it and learn to enjoy the one thing so many that could have existed have never gotten.
Title: Re: How do I cease to exist?
Post by: phattmatt on May 16, 2014, 11:39:56 PM
I don't like living. I don't like world. I don't like people. I don't like existing.
I do not want to exist anymore. I want to stop existing in any way, shape or form.
I want to NO LONGER EXIST. It's the ONLY thing that I want.
However some people say that it is impossible. And it kinda pisses me off.
I want to die but I fear that death is not the end. There might be some kind of set up like I might wake up in some another place where dying is in fact impossible. I don't like that.

So what is the likelihood that when I die I will no longer exist? There are many stupid people who say different versions of afterlife all of which I hate. I don't want any afterlife AT ALL.

Also I am not misanthrope or anything. If you like existing that's good for you. But I don't. I want this to end.

Also I have concern that different ways of dying give different chances of not existing. Which is kind of stupid but I seem to be concerned about it as well.

Anyway I want to stop existing. How do I reach that? All I have to do is die?
I feel jus like u.  Fear of the other side prevents me from letting a train run over me.

I give you rep points/ likes for your every post so you will have more points per post capita than all members and know one would kill themselves if they could have that.