The purpose of life is what you make of it
Good Grief! One sentence and one post, and you're already begging the question. You need to study up on fallacies before you try to engage this forum.
Quote from: "ciko"What is the purpose of life, atheists? do you have any answer?
This is a loaded question. It operates on the assumption that life needs a purpose.
Quote from: "Hijiri Byakuren"Quote from: "ciko"What is the purpose of life, atheists? do you have any answer?
This is a loaded question. It operates on the assumption that life needs a purpose.
I'm with Hijiri Byakuren on this one.
To reproduce! :roll:
If you feel you need a purpose, then you need to create one for yourself.
We are survival-and-reproduction machines like other organisms. Unlike other organisms, we are self-aware and have the ability to ponder our 'purpose' or lack thereof and to actively choose whether we reproduce or not.
Many religious people are so caught up in their own sense of self-importance that they demand that they be central to the plans of an all-powerful cosmic super-wizard. Isn't hubris supposed to be a sin? Another example of cognitive dissonance.
Never underestimate the power of the human ego.
Quotecant you see that you as atheists dont know the real purpose of life, just look at you answers, every say different answer.
We're not a homogenous group. (That means we're not all the same.) Obviously, we're going to have different answers.
Quoteeverything has some kind of purpose
Really now? Then I suppose you know all of them? Otherwise you can't claim this. Do you claim to know the purpose of everything?
Quote from: "CloneKai"To reproduce! :roll:
I'd quibble with you semantically and say "to propagate itself"
Car are made so people can break them.
What is your purpose of life? Kissing sky daddy ass all day.
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Thats what !slamic people tell me.
We're just livestock for zee alienz! :shock:
Quote from: "Poison Tree"Quote from: "CloneKai"To reproduce! :roll:
I'd quibble with you semantically and say "to propagate itself"
For the record, I was not thinking with my head at the time. :lol:
Quote from: "Youssuf Ramadan"Many religious people are so caught up in their own sense of self-importance that they demand that they be central to the plans of an all-powerful cosmic super-wizard. Isn't hubris supposed to be a sin? Another example of cognitive dissonance.
Never underestimate the power of the human ego.
+1
It seems the more egotistical a religious thinker is, the more likely he's going to bring up this "purpose" crap. It seems they have a purpose, not just an ordinary purpose, mind you, but an "Oh so special" purpose.
They never ponder the question, "Is there even a purpose?" Nope, they don't even stop there. That would waste too much time on prerequisite fundamental issues that would confound and delay them from bragging about their special purpose.
Quote from: "ciko"you answer is not good, let say
And who gets to decide whether an answer is good or not? You?
Quote from: "ciko"that i make life criminal life, living like drugdealer, is that purpose of my life??? or that i professional bankrobber, is that purpose of human being?
In those examples, the purpose would be to make money, not the activity itself. People can choose to work jobs or to be criminals. That is a decision based on ethics and socioeconomic reasons, not purpose as you define it.
Quote from: "ciko"let me give you a clue, if you find an answer wich can be applied on everyone, then you have find purpose of life, i know the answer i just want to see how you atheist look upon purpose of life, and i can see that you dont agree on one purpose of life and you have different toughts on purpoe of life, so there is no agreement on purpose of life wich is evidence for me that you dont know the answer but only guess, maybe this maybe that...like you use to do :-D
Let me give YOU a clue. Different people will have different answers. That is one of the beauties of not subscribing to a bunch of bronze age dogma devised by uneducated goat-wranglers. Individuality. It's great. You might want to try it some time - it's much better than living under the eternal fear of the wrath of a non-existent sky-daddy. :-D
If a god does exist then your purpose is that of an ant the god toys with torturing under his big invisible magnifying glass. If you can only get across the sidewalk to the safety of the underground colony.... :shock:
The purpose of life is eating , shitting , peeing , having sex , to most people having kids , to most people growing old and die.
Quote from: "ciko"Quote from: "Plu"Quotecant you see that you as atheists dont know the real purpose of life, just look at you answers, every say different answer.
We're not a homogenous group. (That means we're not all the same.) Obviously, we're going to have different answers.
Quoteeverything has some kind of purpose
Really now? Then I suppose you know all of them? Otherwise you can't claim this. Do you claim to know the purpose of everything?
humans as being can have different purposes
it must be one purpose wich can be applied for everyone.
You didn't answer my question. I'm guessing it's too complicated for you? You're just repeating things your priest-person told you that you don't really understand, but worked on you when you were 6? Are you confused about how the arguments don't work on grownups?
Quote from: "ciko"it must be one purpose wich can be applied for everyone.
No kidding? That's a very bold claim, and requires support.
Quote from: "ciko"QuoteIt operates on the assumption that life needs a purpose.
everything has some kind of purpose, even iron nail in chair has purpose to hold the chair together, or shoestring to hold theshoe on your foot. so how can it be so that iron nail or shoestring has purpose while human life has no purpose.
An iron nail has no objective purpose. It is simply an arrangement of atoms we as human beings label "iron nail." What we use it for is up to us, and we use the term "purpose" to describe that. However, the iron nail only
requires a purpose insofar as it generally won't form as a result of natural processes, and must be manipulated into that shape. This makes your example flawed, because unlike the iron nail life is no more manipulated into existence than a star is: just as the hydrogen gas that became the star came together due to natural processes such as the force of gravity, so too did life come about through a natural process. While certainly the
propagation of life requires some volition on the part of life itself, the very existence of life does not require purpose to have come about.
Quote from: "ciko"but if many people agree that universal purpose of life, let say X
and if we put to the test this purpose of life X, and it succeed to pass the test then that must be purpose of life.
OK so now you must tell us what X is and why it passes the test.
I don't really expect you do that, because you will no doubt continue to be evasive when questions are asked of you.
Quotei am helpless :Hangman:
Well at least you got that part right :roll:
Quote from: "ciko"Quote from: "leo"The purpose of life is eating , shitting , peeing , having sex , to most people having kids , to most people growing old and die.
so your purpose is like purpose of life in animal's life, animals eating , shitting , peeing , having sex , to most people having kids
so you want to be at same level as animal, then go for it.
I don't think you are aware that humans are animals. :-k
Quote from: "ciko"then i am [s:2a5mzmb3]helpless[/s:2a5mzmb3] useless
FIFY
Quote from: "ciko"if you are animal, i am not [-X
Wow! You are so poorly informed, it boggles the mind.
Dude . It doesn't matter what you said or believe. Facts are facts. If you want to ignore facts. That's your problem. [-X [-X
Quote from: "ciko"so how can it be so that my purpose harm me, maybe i go to jail or someone kill me beacuse i rob banks or work as drugdealer.
No.The purpose in this example is NOT to harm yourself. The purpose is to make money. The individual decides whether the risk is worth taking. If the risk is not worth taking then you get a job.
Quote from: "ciko"that is why it cant be so that people make own purposes, beacuse it is not logical that your purpose leads you to death or painful life. logically purpose of life most be universal, applied on everybody.
Says who?
You're going to die anyway. Any 'purpose' you create will not change that.
Quote from: "ciko"QuoteDifferent people will have different answers. That is one of the beauties of not subscribing to a bunch of bronze age dogma
logically i dont agree beacuse diffeent answers create confusion
some may say purpose is A, some say purpose is B, some say purpose is C
but then if we then test purposes A, B and C and all fail, then it can be purpose of life
but if many people agree that universal purpose of life, let say X
and if we put to the test this purpose of life X, and it succeed to pass the test then that must be purpose of life.
Different answers may create confusion for YOU, but they don't for US. We accept differences of opinion.
If we all decide that our purpose is to worship Satan, then by YOUR definition, that is our universal purpose. Do you accept that idea?
There will never be any universal agreement on the 'purpose' of life. Different people practise different religions (or not) and have different viewpoints. Welcome to reality.
You seem to like to talk about logic. There is no evidence or plausible rational argument for Yahweh, God or Allah, so it is not logical to worship them. Logic, right?
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "ciko"if you are animal, i am not [-X
Wow! You are so poorly informed, it boggles the mind.
In fairness, intellectually he appears to be more like a plant, so maybe he has a point.... :lol:
Quote from: "ciko"if you are animal, i am not [-X
You are a eucaryote of the Animalia kingdom with a notochord and spinal chord. You possess hair and breasts firmly identifying you as a mammal, and have nails, grasping digits, and binocular vision characteristic of the order Primates. You are a Homonoid, specifically a Homonid, of the genus Homo and species Sapiens.
If you don't fit that classification, then I don't know what you are; but you definitely ain't human. 8-)
Quote from: "ciko"God tell us that in the Quran why he created us:
67:1 Exalted is He who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things;
2 who created death and life to test you [people] and reveal which of you does best––He is the Mighty, the Forgiving;
God do not test us to see if we are good or bad, he test us and he will show to us on the day of judgment after our death how we were here on earth, and then it will be reward or punishment. if you did good you will be rewarded if you did evil stuff you will punished for that.
You seriously believe this crap? :rollin:
Do you believe in the death penalty for apostasy?
Quote from: "ciko"no it is not fact, it is a theory, fact is when yo udo experiment and observe changes and see the result then it is a fact.
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Quotebut theory of evolution is just theory. not a fact.
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Quote from: "ciko"Quote from: "leo"Dude . It doesn't matter what you said or believe. Facts are facts. If you want to ignore facts. That's your problem. [-X [-X
no it is not fact, it is a theory, fact is when yo udo experiment and observe changes and see the result then it is a fact.
but theory of evolution is just theory. not a fact.
Let's get to the point. Why are you here ? You will never convert any of us to Islam. So the only reason I can see is that you are here for trolling. Trolls are eaten alive in this site. You should avoid any bad time. :roll: 8-)
Quote from: "leo"Quote from: "ciko"Quote from: "leo"Dude . It doesn't matter what you said or believe. Facts are facts. If you want to ignore facts. That's your problem. [-X [-X
no it is not fact, it is a theory, fact is when yo udo experiment and observe changes and see the result then it is a fact.
but theory of evolution is just theory. not a fact.
Let's get to the point. Why are you here ? You will never convert any of us to Islam. So the only reason I can see is that you are here for trolling. Trolls are eaten alive in this site. You should avoid any bad time. :roll: 8-)
He is the perfect poster boy as to why the Islamic countries are some of the most backward countries on this planet. Pathetic.
Quote from: "ciko"What is the purpose of life, atheists? do you have any answer?
You might as well ask "What is the purpose of a rock?". The answer is the same.
See if you can guess what the correct answer is.
Quote from: "ciko"The purpose of life for humans here on earth is to be tested by God if we will do good deeds and follow his commandments, or if shall do evil deeds and abandon Gods commandments.
how do i know this
God tell us that in the Quran why he created us:
So this passes the test of a universal truth because you and your friends believe in the Quran? This is called the argument from numbers or from popular opinion, and it's a fallacy. Most people in the world disregard the Quran as a source of truth, so even there, your argument from numbers would be weak, weaker still if you claim that arguments from popular opinion are valid.
Quote from: "ciko"gravity is not a theory it is a fact.
So is evolution. We see it happen, and we've also got a theory about how it happens.
On the thread topic, why do you think having a purpose since birth would even be a good thing? I consider having a pre-destined purpose to be horrifying and suffecating. You may find being told who you are and what you're going to do comforting, but I find it morally wrong. And if I were to decide a purpose for myself in life, I would say it would be to right such moral wrongs using what little skil and knowledge I have.
Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "ciko"gravity is not a theory it is a fact.
So is evolution. We see it happen, and we've also got a theory about how it happens.
I'm not sure but I think his definition of theory might be "the opposite of fact" or something like that.
Quote from: "ciko"gravity is not a theory it is a fact.
The Theory of Gravity: (//http://www.thefreedictionary.com/theory+of+gravity)
QuoteThe theory that any two particles of matter attract one another with a force directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.
It's just a theory, though. :wink:
Quote from: "ciko"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "ciko"What is the purpose of life, atheists? do you have any answer?
You might as well ask "What is the purpose of a rock?". The answer is the same.
See if you can guess what the correct answer is.
purpose of rock is to entertain people, to lead them to satan beacuse in rock bands there is much satanic influence, if you analyze texts from metallica, montley crue, doors, rolling stones and many other, you will see that they propagate satanism.
THE SATANIC ROOTS OF ROCK
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You can't be serious. #-o HE SAID "A ROCK". AS IN, A SINGULAR ROCK. LIKE A LARGE PEBBLE.
As for your stupid assertion about rock and roll, even the dumbest of theists gave up on that battle years ago. You seem to do whatever your religious leaders tell you to do, so why don't you follow their example and leave the dead horse alone?
Quote from: "ciko"Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"On the thread topic, why do you think having a purpose since birth would even be a good thing? I consider having a pre-destined purpose to be horrifying and suffecating. You may find being told who you are and what you're going to do comforting, but I find it morally wrong. And if I were to decide a purpose for myself in life, I would say it would be to right such moral wrongs using what little skil and knowledge I have.
Quotewhy do you think having a purpose since birth would even be a good thing?
it is not a good or a bad thing it is something logical.
you cant exclude humans from having purpose while everything else have some kind of purpose
First, not everything has a purpose. Plenty of non-living matter has no purpose. Second, you cannot assume that just because something is true for some things, that it is true for all.
The problem with all these purposes is that humans come up with them. But if you're so hot on purpose, what is the purpose of flesh eating bacteria? I'd like to hear your opinion.
Quote from: "ciko"gravity is not a theory it is a fact.
Stuff falling down = fact
The model explaining this observation = theory
LRN2sci
Quotegive me an example wich has no purpose.
What's the purpose of a Neutrino?
Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"You can't be serious. #-o HE SAID "A ROCK". AS IN, A SINGULAR ROCK. LIKE A LARGE PEBBLE.
Oh, "A rock". Well then, the purpose of that kind of rock is to stone women who bring shame upon the family.
Quote from: "Plu"Quotegive me an example wich has no purpose.
What's the purpose of a Neutrino?
It probably plays a role in making other stuff, like clay, which God needed to make Adam.
Quote from: "ciko"so what more purpose of rocks?
people can use rocks to create stabile houses. and there is more usefull stuff with rocks. but that is enough.
And the rocks on Mars? Martian houses? :-k #-o
Quote from: "ciko"flesh eating bacteria is created by God like everything else, God can test you with those little creatures.
God can also punish some people with bacteria, depends on in wich state you are.
Therefore, God is a sociopath. Theist "logic" shoots itself in the foot once again.
I know I am very late in this conversation.
Quote from: "ciko"it must be one purpose wich can be applied for everyone.
Why?
Quote from: "ciko"cant you see that you as atheists dont know the real purpose of life, just look at you answers, every say different answer.
What evidence do you have, independent of your holy book and religious convictions, that there is a real purpose in life that is the same for any and all people everywhere?
If we observe correctly then one can only conclude that Allah's purpose was to make every muslim dumb. Now, that is a fact.
Quote from: "ciko"Quote from: "Jason78"Quote from: "ciko"What is the purpose of life, atheists? do you have any answer?
You might as well ask "What is the purpose of a rock?". The answer is the same.
See if you can guess what the correct answer is.
purpose of rock is to entertain people, to lead them to satan beacuse in rock bands there is much satanic influence, if you analyze texts from metallica, montley crue, doors, rolling stones and many other, you will see that they propagate satanism.
The correct answer was: "Whatever purpose you want to give it." A rock can be a door stop or a foundation. Or it can just sit there and do nothing. And so with a life, it can be lived for a purpose or it can just simply exist.
Because I (still) enjoy it. It's an open forum where ideas are freely discussed and each individual chooses to participate or not.
Ciko why Alah created human body so disgusting ? The human body have tons of shit and many disgusting things inside.
Quote from: "ciko"Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"You can't be serious. #-o HE SAID "A ROCK". AS IN, A SINGULAR ROCK. LIKE A LARGE PEBBLE.
Oh, "A rock". Well then, the purpose of that kind of rock is to stone women who bring shame upon the family.
son, you dont know a lot
about islam , learn more and the come back here.
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Quoteas we can see that almost 100% of stuff have purpose and maybe some % of it are byproducts
yeah, that kind of stupid can't be fixed. Good bye moron.
Banned? Aww :(
I never got a chance to hit back with logic.
Classic example of putting the cart in front of the horse.
Rain has no purpose. Rain just happens. Then life arose and adapted around the phenomenon.
Oceans formed. Then life arose and adapted to that environment.
Oh, so land has the purpose to sustain life? "Cool story bro" says the fish.
My purpose in life can be to be a useless couch potato. Or I can make my purpose to be at the frontier of scientific understanding. I have the freedom to do whatever I want with my life.
Posted in case idiotic op still reading this.
Still no evidence of Allah. Sorry :(
According to biology we have only one purpose in life: perpetuating our species, which the religious do very well. After that our purpose is to survive the best we can. :shock: #-o :lol: Solitary
Allah and God prove the purpose in life is to make as many stupid people there can be. :shock: :P :rollin: Solitary
Quote from: "Shol'va"Banned? Aww :(
I never got a chance to hit back with logic.
Classic example of putting the cart in front of the horse.
Rain has no purpose. Rain just happens. Then life arose and adapted around the phenomenon.
Oceans formed. Then life arose and adapted to that environment.
Oh, so land has the purpose to sustain life? "Cool story bro" says the fish.
My purpose in life can be to be a useless couch potato. Or I can make my purpose to be at the frontier of scientific understanding. I have the freedom to do whatever I want with my life.
Posted in case idiotic op still reading this.
Still no evidence of Allah. Sorry :(
unfortunately, everybody has been trying those tactics this whole time, with this guy just ignoring them. That's why he got banned, because he wasn't discussing anything, he was just wasting people's time.
Wow, and here I thought you had just banned him, but he's been, like, un-personed!
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Quote from: "Damarcus"unfortunately, everybody has been trying those tactics this whole time, with this guy just ignoring them. That's why he got banned, because he wasn't discussing anything, he was just wasting people's time.
You took away my chew toy !!!!
I want my money back from the forum admins! This is outrageous !!!
I shake my fist at you in impotent anger!
Probably gonna report us to the counsel of elders! :shock:
Just for the record, I'm happy this guy is gone. His threads were pure bullshit and taking up too much time that could otherwise be used talking about more interesting bullshit. :-D
Quote from: "SGOS"Just for the record, I'm happy this guy is gone. His threads were pure bullshit and taking up too much time that could otherwise be used talking about more interesting bullshit. :-D
I agree. However, unless he said some terrible shit I missed, I don't see why his post shouldn't have been left as a monument to stupidity.
OH! The meaning...! Oh never mind. ? He's gone and apparently nobody else cares. :-k
Ever notice that I always end up being the author of the thread after the original guy is banned?
Does that make you the "Terminator" of AF?
Terminator
A label created by the banned to give voice to their destruction, in the end what they chose to call me is irrelevant
I simply
am
Well guys, the guy was banned, so that must obviously mean that his point was valid and we are in denial.
Quote from: "GrinningYMIR"Terminator
A label created by the banned to give voice to their destruction, in the end what they chose to call me is irrelevant
I simply
am
"Terminators? We've already dismissed that claim."
Quote from: "Shol'va"Well guys, the guy was banned, so that must obviously mean that his point was valid and we are in denial.
Nope.That means we need atleast one chew toy.
Quote from: "leo"Quote from: "Shol'va"Well guys, the guy was banned, so that must obviously mean that his point was valid and we are in denial.
Nope.That means we need atleast one chew toy.
I nominate me. I barely ever get to be on the defense here.
Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"Quote from: "leo"Quote from: "Shol'va"Well guys, the guy was banned, so that must obviously mean that his point was valid and we are in denial.
Nope.That means we need atleast one chew toy.
I nominate me. I barely ever get to be on the defense here.
Be careful what you wish for
Quote from: "Insult to Rocks"Quote from: "leo"Quote from: "Shol'va"Well guys, the guy was banned, so that must obviously mean that his point was valid and we are in denial.
Nope.That means we need atleast one chew toy.
I nominate me. I barely ever get to be on the defense here.
You are a cool guy . I don't see how you can quality to the chew toy position. :-k
Recently I was visiting a friend of mine in his house, and I came across a piece of paper which i found later that it belongs to my friend’s high school student son. The document was an assignment in religion, the kid is attending a catholic school, and the assignment was about what the student holds as beliefs and his understanding of religion, God and life generally.
One of the questions was, do you think there is a purpose to life? And it caught me in a way that I started thinking about it myself. It is not the first time I think about that, but what made me interested in it more this time was the fact that it was asked to a 14 years old kid. I believe, even though I don’t have any statistics, that the majority of human being believes that there is a purpose of life or at least they believed in that at some point in their lives. So, is there a purpose for life? and if there is what is it?
I personally, don’t believe that there is a purpose for life, that is not a surprise being an atheist, but even in the atheist community there are some people who believe there is a purpose. I strongly believe that we are merely accidents of nature, we got the brain that thinks, conclude, and decide. The brain is the key to all our questions about supernatural phenomenon.
What would be the purpose of life that we can possibly think of? Be good? Make a change? Or just simply do everything in your power to guarantee a pass ticket to heaven. After life is completely disregarding the purpose of life itself, it makes us look like Lab rats or experiment monkeys. So that is definitely not the purpose.
Let’s think again, so we grow up and as children we go through all kind of experiences good, bad and neutral which leaves it’s marks on us and simply define who we going to be as adults, adulthood is a series of interactions with people around us and there is no clear indications for any fundamental purpose of our lives. It is completely chaos when you attempt to find a pure spiritual experience or a distinctive goal to give a meaningful purpose of life. So basically you can’t find a purpose to your life even when you really look for it, however, many people will claim that they know and they fulfilled their purpose in life and that they are satisfied with it. It could be any sort of achievements ranging from academic to religious and anything between them. Well that is not necessarily satisfy me because that is ultimately means that life have multi-purposes and everyone is tailoring the purpose to themselves.
What I’m saying is that life is so great to have a purpose it is merely an organic process that has a beginning and an end with a pile of events in between that we, as human being, consider a magnificent era. Let us make it clear that there is no purpose of life whatsoever, let us just make clear that we don’t really need to think about it anymore and let us just get done with it.
My purpose in life is to eat sushi.
Quote from: Mermaid on March 22, 2014, 08:17:21 PM
My purpose in life is to eat sushi.
Do you eat sushi and do a lot of sushi
ttt? Sorry, couldn't help... :biggrin2:
Quote from: Plu on February 12, 2014, 11:14:38 AM
Do you claim to know the purpose of everything?
According to Catholicism people's purposes are determined before they are born.
First you have to prove that life does have a purpose, then you can try finding it.
Logical minds is what we lack in the universe, otherwise we wouldn't have to waste time on such childish tings.
Quote from: Mermaid on March 22, 2014, 08:17:21 PM
My purpose in life is to eat sushi.
I've been eating onigiri like CRAZY lately. (rice balls) I can eat that every day.