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Title: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: stromboli on November 08, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/0 ... 32987.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/gay-straight-face-shape_n_4232987.html)

QuoteA new study suggests there are distinguishable differences in the facial shape of gay and straight men, and the results indicate the faces of gay men may be deemed more masculine. The findings stand in stark contrast to some stereotypical notions about the gay male community.

Researchers from the Center for Theoretical Study at Charles University in Prague and The Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic decided to study the facial characteristics of gay and straight men and determine if morphological differences can cue sexual orientation. Two studies were conducted: One analyzed whether gay men have noticeably different facial features than straight men; the other examined whether sexual orientation could be determined based solely on these features.

In the first study, researchers gathered 40 gay and 40 straight white, Czech men. After taking 80 portraits with a Canon camera, more than 11,000 coordinates were set to establish a comparison.

"Gay men showed relatively wider and shorter faces, smaller and shorter noses, and rather massive and more rounded jaws, resulting in a mosaic of both feminine and masculine features," according to the study.
Jarka Valentova, a researcher on the Czech study, elaborated on the results in an email to The Huffington Post Thursday.

"It's necessary to point out to possible misunderstandings of our results," she said. "The fact that we have found some significant morphological differences between homosexual and heterosexual men does not mean that any of the groups is easily recognizable on the street (and our Study 2 actually shows that it's not that easy to guess anyone's sexual orientation without knowing it), or that anything like that should be done (like pointing on people with our illustrations and guessing who is who)."

She also added that the sample size used was small and, in order for this study to ascertain more validity, it would need to be replicated within different populations.

Still, researchers suggest the differences in facial shapes may indicate certain prenatal environmental factors, which is a topic sexologist Anthony Bogaert began delving into in September.

One of his previous studies dealt with the increased likelihood of being gay if one has multiple older brothers, and a portion of his research highlighted the possibility of a biological mechanism influencing sexual orientation -- something nature and nurture proponents have been debating for decades.

"I think there's strong evidence that people who believe that there's a biological basis to sexual orientation tend to be more tolerant to sexual minorities, and that's one of the more positive [possible] social outcomes," he previously told HuffPost about his new research.

Totally neutral on this.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 08, 2013, 02:43:27 PM
Hmm..Raymond Burr and Rock Hudson.. You know the christers are gonna draw their own silly ass conclusions.. :-k
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: stromboli on November 08, 2013, 02:48:05 PM
Yeah. My first thought. Ellen DeGeneres certainly doesn't look "lezzie", nor her wife. I'm acquainted with a few transgender people because the fellow that runs the 7-11 nearby has a transgender daughter, and he has hired his daughter's friends. Some are fairly obvious because of their dress or personal style, but others you really can't tell.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 08, 2013, 02:50:54 PM
Christers have their own patented gay detectors.. It's kept secret because god wants it that way. :lol:
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on November 08, 2013, 10:37:09 PM
Best way to tell if a guy is gay: is he currently sucking your cock or taking it in the ass from you? If so he MIGHT be gay.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: stromboli on November 08, 2013, 10:41:22 PM
Yeah, that would be the "first person singular" method.  :-D
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Solitary on November 08, 2013, 11:18:34 PM
Who thinks up these stupid studies? Isn't it obvious?

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(//http://i.imgur.com/WQYPJza.jpg) :roll:   Only the first two are gay. Solitary
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: mykcob4 on November 08, 2013, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: "stromboli"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/gay-straight-face-shape_n_4232987.html

QuoteA new study suggests there are distinguishable differences in the facial shape of gay and straight men, and the results indicate the faces of gay men may be deemed more masculine. The findings stand in stark contrast to some stereotypical notions about the gay male community.

Researchers from the Center for Theoretical Study at Charles University in Prague and The Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic decided to study the facial characteristics of gay and straight men and determine if morphological differences can cue sexual orientation. Two studies were conducted: One analyzed whether gay men have noticeably different facial features than straight men; the other examined whether sexual orientation could be determined based solely on these features.

In the first study, researchers gathered 40 gay and 40 straight white, Czech men. After taking 80 portraits with a Canon camera, more than 11,000 coordinates were set to establish a comparison.

"Gay men showed relatively wider and shorter faces, smaller and shorter noses, and rather massive and more rounded jaws, resulting in a mosaic of both feminine and masculine features," according to the study.
Jarka Valentova, a researcher on the Czech study, elaborated on the results in an email to The Huffington Post Thursday.

"It's necessary to point out to possible misunderstandings of our results," she said. "The fact that we have found some significant morphological differences between homosexual and heterosexual men does not mean that any of the groups is easily recognizable on the street (and our Study 2 actually shows that it's not that easy to guess anyone's sexual orientation without knowing it), or that anything like that should be done (like pointing on people with our illustrations and guessing who is who)."

She also added that the sample size used was small and, in order for this study to ascertain more validity, it would need to be replicated within different populations.

Still, researchers suggest the differences in facial shapes may indicate certain prenatal environmental factors, which is a topic sexologist Anthony Bogaert began delving into in September.

One of his previous studies dealt with the increased likelihood of being gay if one has multiple older brothers, and a portion of his research highlighted the possibility of a biological mechanism influencing sexual orientation -- something nature and nurture proponents have been debating for decades.

"I think there's strong evidence that people who believe that there's a biological basis to sexual orientation tend to be more tolerant to sexual minorities, and that's one of the more positive [possible] social outcomes," he previously told HuffPost about his new research.

Totally neutral on this.
Didn't read the study. Haven't a clue why anyone would waste time on a study like that. Certainly there are more important things for sociologist to study.
Doubt that there is any validity in such a study but as I said, didn't bother to read the study!
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Sulaco on November 10, 2013, 08:00:05 PM
What a load of crap.

I had a good laugh though.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: _Xenu_ on November 10, 2013, 08:21:19 PM
This guy for sure!

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Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: _Xenu_ on November 10, 2013, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"Best way to tell if a guy is gay: is he currently sucking your cock or taking it in the ass from you? If so he MIGHT be gay.
Unless you're some sort of rapist or child molester, I would consider that pretty definite evidence that he's at least bi unless he was molested or something.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Sulaco on November 10, 2013, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: "_Xenu_"I would consider that pretty definite evidence that he's at least bi unless he was molested or something.
There is absolutely no evidence of psychological trauma or mental illness linking to homosexuality.

In fact it's these sorts of claims that religious zealots use to justify their discrimination.

Aside from that, orientation is based on what the individual is sexually attracted to .. and not based on actions he/she might perform.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Jason78 on November 11, 2013, 04:19:29 AM
QuoteDoes Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?

No.


You can't tell a wise man from the colour of his skin either.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Plu on November 11, 2013, 04:24:19 AM
The study tried to see if homosexuals had common facial features. (Which apparently they do)

Then they tried to see if people could pick out homosexuals based on their facial features. (Which they could not)

This makes the title stupid, as it falls into the classic 'if the answer to your title can be summed up with "no", you picked a bad title'.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Sal1981 on November 11, 2013, 04:49:41 AM
I can't tell the difference, but then again, I'm not a people person.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: _Xenu_ on November 11, 2013, 08:19:34 AM
Quote from: "Sulaco"
Quote from: "_Xenu_"I would consider that pretty definite evidence that he's at least bi unless he was molested or something.
There is absolutely no evidence of psychological trauma or mental illness linking to homosexuality.
I didn't say there was. Reread what I wrote.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: SGOS on November 11, 2013, 08:33:42 AM
OMG!  I hope that wasn't government funded.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: leo on November 11, 2013, 12:07:41 PM
This shit is hilarious . :lol:
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Sulaco on November 12, 2013, 06:21:53 PM
Quote from: "_Xenu_"
Quote from: "Sulaco"
Quote from: "_Xenu_"I would consider that pretty definite evidence that he's at least bi unless he was molested or something.
There is absolutely no evidence of psychological trauma or mental illness linking to homosexuality.
I didn't say there was. Reread what I wrote.
Outlined a section in your original quote in bold which implied that someone attracted to the same sex may have been a result of molestation.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Plu on November 13, 2013, 02:47:31 AM
Sulaco, I'm pretty sure Xenu meant that it's definitive proof of being bi unless that act itself involves being molested. Not that molestation happened somewhere in the past.

Quote from: "_Xenu_"
Quote from: "The Skeletal Atheist"Best way to tell if a guy is gay: is he currently sucking your cock or taking it in the ass from you? If so he MIGHT be gay.
Unless you're some sort of rapist or child molester, I would consider that pretty definite evidence that he's at least bi unless he was molested or something.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: _Xenu_ on November 13, 2013, 08:10:32 AM
Quote from: "Sulaco"Outlined a section in your original quote in bold which implied that someone attracted to the same sex may have been a result of molestation.
The quote you used confirms what I said. The key word here is unless. No one else seems to be confused about this and I see no point in continuing this discussion.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 13, 2013, 08:21:16 AM
Ehem.. GOD HATES FACES! :evil:

That's why we never see 'his' face..
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Jason78 on November 13, 2013, 09:07:37 AM
I thought that it was faggots god hated?

I don't know why, they are really tasty!

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Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 13, 2013, 09:31:25 AM
Maybe it's those nasty bundles of sticks he hates.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: leo on November 13, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
Justin bieber face looks gay for some reason. :-k
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Mister Agenda on November 13, 2013, 11:26:08 AM
The significance of the study, if it turns out to be valid, is that it is another piece of physical evidence for homosexuality being a biological disposition (whether due to genetic or prenatal influences, or some combination) rather than a 'lifestyle choice'.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: frosty on November 13, 2013, 11:55:33 PM
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"The significance of the study, if it turns out to be valid, is that it is another piece of physical evidence for homosexuality being a biological disposition (whether due to genetic or prenatal influences, or some combination) rather than a 'lifestyle choice'.

The same people that call it a "lifestyle choice" are the same people, it seems, that tend to base everything off of stereotypes. The "lifestyle choice" comes from their perception of gay culture and it's in-your-face aspect that makes them such judgements. I'm not able to tell if people that embrace gay culture do it to prove a point or if they truly believe in it. But knowing a few gay people personally, the fact that they are normal people that act and speak normally and seem just like everybody else shatters to pieces the "lifestyle choice" that certain people talk about.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: Sulaco on November 14, 2013, 03:50:18 PM
Quote from: "frosty"The same people that call it a "lifestyle choice" are the same people, it seems, that tend to base everything off of stereotypes. The "lifestyle choice" comes from their perception of gay culture and it's in-your-face aspect that makes them such judgements. I'm not able to tell if people that embrace gay culture do it to prove a point or if they truly believe in it. But knowing a few gay people personally, the fact that they are normal people that act and speak normally and seem just like everybody else shatters to pieces the "lifestyle choice" that certain people talk about.
Right on.

There are many homosexuals that aren't affiliated with the gay scene/gay pride. Some even go as far as to oppose them (myself being one of them), as they're being misrepresented to the general public, along with it establishing cultural norms and beliefs that are unhealthy, exclusive, disrespectful, etc.

In many ways I see a corrolation between gay pride and religion.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: dgirl1986 on November 26, 2013, 06:57:19 PM
Ridiculous. Almost laughable...almost.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: aitm on November 26, 2013, 10:04:53 PM
yeah, like most of you, I've met plenty of gays, (obviously not as many as skeletal the fucking whore dog has but who has?) and I am pretty damn sure there isn't one damn single facial shape that can bind those into any kind of ....of.....whatever the hell they call it.
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on November 27, 2013, 01:08:10 AM
Quote from: "aitm"yeah, like most of you, I've met plenty of gays, (obviously not as many as skeletal the fucking whore dog has but who has?) and I am pretty damn sure there isn't one damn single facial shape that can bind those into any kind of ....of.....whatever the hell they call it.
:rollin:

I'm not that much of a slut. I've only had sexual contact with about 7 people. You're just jealous.  :P
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: _Xenu_ on November 27, 2013, 04:09:02 PM
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Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: The Skeletal Atheist on November 28, 2013, 01:55:18 AM
The proper word here is "stud".
Title: Re: Does Face Shape Reveal Homosexuality?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on November 28, 2013, 08:39:10 AM
So the question is really if face shapes can reveal studliness? Hmmm.. :-k