1.Do you use "Science" which to me sounds robotic when explaining feelings.
2. Or do you use your instant feelings to explain what you like about it.
Just curious to hear what you prefer. No stress ^^
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurochemical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurochemical) the truth will set you free.
When I hear the blues, I want to have sex... the dirty kind.
Quote from: "SGOS"When I hear the blues, I want to have sex... the dirty kind.
You gotta pay your dues if you wanna sing the blues.
Quote from: "Icarus"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurochemical the truth will set you free.
I'll take that as a yes.
There was a word, which i can't remember. It reminded me of the one you said now "Neurochemical", but this other word is "A person who doesn't find meaning in life". Sorta like Atheism, but without a purpose.
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I'll take that as a yes.
There was a word, which i can't remember. It reminded me of the one you said now "Neurochemical", but this other word is "A person who doesn't find meaning in life". Sorta like Atheism, but without a purpose.
That's one hell of an assumption. How does neurochemicals translate to finding no meaning in life? I find plenty of meaning through my own research; trying to push the limits of human knowledge of the natural universe. What's with all the hate?
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I'll take that as a yes.
There was a word, which i can't remember. It reminded me of the one you said now "Neurochemical", but this other word is "A person who doesn't find meaning in life". Sorta like Atheism, but without a purpose.
That's one hell of an assumption. How does neurochemicals translate to finding no meaning in life? I find plenty of meaning through my own research; trying to push the limits of human knowledge of the natural universe. What's with all the hate?
There was this word which reminded me of it.
The one was atheism. And the other was meaningless life and atheist. I just don't remember the word.
But it is good to find meaning, that is cool, didn't mean to worry you ;)
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Quote from: "MmmAtlas"There was this word which reminded me of it.
The one was atheism. And the other was meaningless life and atheist. I just don't remember the word.
But it is good to find meaning, that is cool, didn't mean to worry you ;)
The only thing that worried me was the huge gap in your logic when you went from neurochemicals to no meaning in life. It's almost as if you made up your mind about how I think before bothering to ask. :-k
I guess you fell into your own trap:
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"For these atheists, I think their major logical misstep is assuming that everyone who is religious is extremely dumb, so they don't feel the need to actually do any academic research on subjects they babble on about...it's like they are constantly debating a figment of their imagination.
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"There was this word which reminded me of it.
The one was atheism. And the other was meaningless life and atheist. I just don't remember the word.
But it is good to find meaning, that is cool, didn't mean to worry you ;)
The only thing that worried me was the huge gap in your logic when you went from neurochemicals to no meaning in life. It's almost as if you made up your mind about how I think before bothering to ask. :-k
Well, there is a word for it, when i mean "No meaning in life + Atheist", then it is refering to one word, which makes that meaning. Like atheism = Disbelief in God.
Just don't remember it, neuclothic, or... yeah see. Can't remember it myself. But i know there is a word. If i find it, then i'll post it.
What does listening to music have to do with atheism?
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"There was this word which reminded me of it.
The one was atheism. And the other was meaningless life and atheist. I just don't remember the word.
But it is good to find meaning, that is cool, didn't mean to worry you ;)
The only thing that worried me was the huge gap in your logic when you went from neurochemicals to no meaning in life. It's almost as if you made up your mind about how I think before bothering to ask. :-k
I guess you fell into your own trap:
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"For these atheists, I think their major logical misstep is assuming that everyone who is religious is extremely dumb, so they don't feel the need to actually do any academic research on subjects they babble on about...it's like they are constantly debating a figment of their imagination.
I found it "Nihilism"
//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
I think you are looking for the term nihilism, which has nothing to do with atheism.
Quote from: "Shiranu"I think you are looking for the term nihilism, which has nothing to do with atheism.
I just found it ;)
Took a little while :)
Here is quote
" represent a rejection of theism, and that such rejection of their theistic doctrine entails nihilism."
;)
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I just found it ;)
Took a little while :)
Here is quote
" represent a rejection of theism, and that such rejection of their theistic doctrine entails nihilism."
;)
Still confused on how you go from Neurochemicals to Nihilism as a logical jump.
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Quote from: "Shiranu"I think you are looking for the term nihilism, which has nothing to do with atheism.
I just found it ;)
Took a little while :)
Here is quote
" represent a rejection of theism, and that such rejection of their theistic doctrine entails nihilism."
;)
WTF does that have to do with being able to enjoy music?
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I just found it ;)
Took a little while :)
Here is quote
" represent a rejection of theism, and that such rejection of their theistic doctrine entails nihilism."
;)
Still confused on how you go from Neurochemicals to Nihilism as a logical jump.
Well it did start with an N. Been awhile since, but then google helped me. ;)
That isn't the definition of nihilism, though.
Quotethe philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological or ontological/metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.
Yes, there are some doctrines of nihilism that are atheistic, but that is just a few doctrines out of a much wider field. It's like saying all biology is microbiology.
Quote from: "Johan"WTF does that have to do with being able to enjoy music?
Didn't you know Johan? No one can enjoy anything without a magical sky daddy.
Quote from: "PopeyesPappy"Quote from: "Johan"WTF does that have to do with being able to enjoy music?
Didn't you know Johan? No one can enjoy anything without a magical sky daddy.
Well that explains why so many people yell 'oh god' over and over so often during sex. :wink:
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"1.Do you use "Science" which to me sounds robotic when explaining feelings.
2. Or do you use your instant feelings to explain what you like about it.
Just curious to hear what you prefer. No stress ^^
Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RENqL6znkwY)
Atheist are just like everyone else. You can be inspired, but as an atheist you know that it wasn't a god that inspired you. I often say "Ihave the soul of an artist." It's just an expression. I don't believe I have a soul at all, but I do feel and emote like anyone else that is moved by art in whatever form.
To answer op's question;
Science.
Sorry if that sounds robotic to you, but that speaks more to me of an unimaginative and robotic view of science than a short coming of science itself.
Quote from: "MmmAtlas".. but this other word is "A person who doesn't find meaning in life". Sorta like Atheism, but without a purpose.
Meaning for me is my family, my society, my country, and all the world, in that order. I am a strong atheist.
As for music, the neurochemicals in the brain decide (even without my thinking about it), I express the overall feeling.
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Here is quote
" represent a rejection of theism, and that such rejection of their theistic doctrine entails nihilism." ;)
Nihilism is full of immense possibilities, like Lawrence Krauss' - 'creatio ex nihilo'.
WTF?? I'm an atheist, I don't believe anything has any objective "meaning" whatever that is, and I just got home from a gig playing bass so explain that. Music causes and is caused by electricity and chemicals and our singer drank too much whiskey and went flat a lot tonight.
Quote from: "Shiranu"To answer op's question;
Science.
Sorry if that sounds robotic to you, but that speaks more to me of an unimaginative and robotic view of science than a short coming of science itself.
I am testing your common sense, and so far its not working out.
Science can explain things, but not feel things :P lol
Quote from: "mykcob4"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"1.Do you use "Science" which to me sounds robotic when explaining feelings.
2. Or do you use your instant feelings to explain what you like about it.
Just curious to hear what you prefer. No stress ^^
Writer posted a YouTube video (//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RENqL6znkwY)
Atheist are just like everyone else. You can be inspired, but as an atheist you know that it wasn't a god that inspired you. I often say "Ihave the soul of an artist." It's just an expression. I don't believe I have a soul at all, but I do feel and emote like anyone else that is moved by art in whatever form.
Well that is good, you don't use science for that, you feel it.
Good answer mate (Y)
Quote from: "Shiranu"That isn't the definition of nihilism, though.
Quotethe philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological or ontological/metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.
Yes, there are some doctrines of nihilism that are atheistic, but that is just a few doctrines out of a much wider field. It's like saying all biology is microbiology.
Works for me. If i had to explain to someone. But no worries :)
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Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Well that is good, you don't use science for that, you feel it.
Good answer mate (Y)
If the science of neurochemicals reacting in your body or your physiology in general doesn't make you "Feel" things than what does? Are you telling us that your god or your religion makes you feel things? Now that's fucking stupid!
Quote from: "bericks999"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Well that is good, you don't use science for that, you feel it.
Good answer mate (Y)
If the science of neurochemicals reacting in your body or your physiology in general doesn't make you "Feel" things than what does? Are you telling us that your god or your religion makes you feel things? Now that's fucking stupid!
I just find it odd that people need to mark "Science" in order to explain common things in everyday life.
It's basically like being an robot.
"This material i am drinking, does not compute with my knowledge, need more juice" :P
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Quote from: "bericks999"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Well that is good, you don't use science for that, you feel it.
Good answer mate (Y)
If the science of neurochemicals reacting in your body or your physiology in general doesn't make you "Feel" things than what does? Are you telling us that your god or your religion makes you feel things? Now that's fucking stupid!
I just find it odd that people need to mark "Science" in order to explain common things in everyday life.
It's basically like being an robot.
"This material i am drinking, does not compute with my knowledge, need more juice" :P
Well, science is what gives you 99% of what you have, do and experience today so it really shouldn't strike you as odd when somebody uses it to explain something. For Christ sakes, it's like were being invaded by 4 year olds!
QuoteWell, science is what gives you 99% of what you have, do and experience today so it really shouldn't strike you as odd when somebody uses it to explain something. For Christ sakes, it's like were being invaded by 4 year olds!
No need to sound like a robot when feeling or explaining something ;)
But that is true :) Inventions etc are pretty good :)
But can put a little soul into things aswell, and not love machinery, or else you will turn into one :P
[youtube:1qgvfw66]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdIJ2x3nxzQ[/youtube:1qgvfw66]
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"QuoteWell, science is what gives you 99% of what you have, do and experience today so it really shouldn't strike you as odd when somebody uses it to explain something. For Christ sakes, it's like were being invaded by 4 year olds!
No need to sound like a robot when feeling or explaining something ;)
But that is true :) Inventions etc are pretty good :)
But can put a little soul into things aswell, and not love machinery, or else you will turn into one :P
How's this....I feel annoyed by your posts!!! especially that smiley, winking face at the end of each sentence....Fuck!!!
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"QuoteWell, science is what gives you 99% of what you have, do and experience today so it really shouldn't strike you as odd when somebody uses it to explain something. For Christ sakes, it's like were being invaded by 4 year olds!
No need to sound like a robot when feeling or explaining something ;)
But that is true :) Inventions etc are pretty good :)
But can put a little soul into things aswell, and not love machinery, or else you will turn into one :P
[youtube:2e3q1sft]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdIJ2x3nxzQ[/youtube:2e3q1sft]
I think he's just saying that there are scientific explanations for why we feel things. It's Ok to be all touchy feely too, but the explanations are still there, even if you don't want to acknowledge them.
Quote from: "bericks999"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"QuoteWell, science is what gives you 99% of what you have, do and experience today so it really shouldn't strike you as odd when somebody uses it to explain something. For Christ sakes, it's like were being invaded by 4 year olds!
No need to sound like a robot when feeling or explaining something ;)
But that is true :) Inventions etc are pretty good :)
But can put a little soul into things aswell, and not love machinery, or else you will turn into one :P
How's this....I feel annoyed by your posts!!! especially that smiley, winking face at the end of each sentence....Fuck!!!
That was many posts :)
You got a problem with mah smileys?
[youtube:3f74gx6b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVSTUHdWVVM[/youtube:3f74gx6b]
Quote from: "SGOS"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"QuoteWell, science is what gives you 99% of what you have, do and experience today so it really shouldn't strike you as odd when somebody uses it to explain something. For Christ sakes, it's like were being invaded by 4 year olds!
No need to sound like a robot when feeling or explaining something ;)
But that is true :) Inventions etc are pretty good :)
But can put a little soul into things aswell, and not love machinery, or else you will turn into one :P
[youtube:26mlowpl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdIJ2x3nxzQ[/youtube:26mlowpl]
I think he's just saying that there are scientific explanations for why we feel things. It's Ok to be all touchy feely too, but the explanations are still there, even if you don't want to acknowledge them.
Its all well in a lab though or school :)
The feeling of nature and all that stuff, is nice when not sounding too robotic :P
But cool :)
Oops. I didn't read ahead sorry. Apparently, he's also telling you to stop being a douche bag... No scientific explanation necessary.
Quote from: "SGOS"Oops. I didn't read ahead sorry. Apparently, he's also telling you to stop being a douche bag... No scientific explanation necessary.
Now i felt that, that is good feelings ;)
[youtube:2itmx9tn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oe4dC10PqlU[/youtube:2itmx9tn]
Wink wink ;)
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"In which period of history you are living in? Somewhere between 16th to 19th century?
What do the emotions any art form designed to evoke in human have got to do with being an atheist or science? People feel whatever the artist wanted to make them feel or identify with his music, if he is successful in conveying them. People do not try to explain what they are feeling with some 'divinity' every time they feel it, because 'they were moved' listening to music. This is something learned and 'developed' not some natural reaction of emotions evoked by art.
You are describing a specific kind of emotion and a moment some person goes through with a specific frame of mind. Which was also promoted by several different art movements in history, be it expressed in music or any other medium by the way. According the your obsolete, ancient sense of art, we cannot experience art if we do not believe in a creator which is against everything about art that is as old as human and definitely far more older than any sense of 'creator' a any human being is familiar with in the last forty thousand years.
Universality of music as an art form does not dictate some sub condition to its medium to send the recipient into a specific 'divine' sense of attachment to a creator or to its exact opposition to by the artistic knowledge expressed in it. It's art. It 'gives' what the individual is 'prepared' to take. While one would feel 'the greatness and eternity of god', other feels being a part of the universe without any false, taught sense of divinity. Or just some woman that broke his heart, or her mother, or the high school drama he acted in...etc.
I never said "Creator", i said feel. :) Common sense, basically.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Bericks, stop hitting the submit button repeatedly and check what you have posted afterwards. You have posted the same post for 7 times,lol.
It is late and I haven't slept so maybe I'm missing something here but what the hell are you talking about? Nowhere in this or any other thread have I posted more than once because I've never hit the submit key more than once!
Disregard, I do see it and have cleaned it up although not sure how it happened cause I don't think I repeatedly hit the submit key although like I said, I haven't slept. Thanks drunkenshoe!
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Yeah, I figured it would be helpful to inform you what you are actually talking about in the scale of that 'common sense' with what you stated in OP, in an atheist forum.
lol
Feelings... Nothing more than feelings...
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I am testing your common sense, and so far its not working out.
Science can explain things, but not feel things :P lol
I guess you didn't read my link to neurochemicals. You can't judge other people common sense when you lack it so obviously.
Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Quote from: "bericks999"Quote from: "drunkenshoe"Bericks, stop hitting the submit button repeatedly and check what you have posted afterwards. You have posted the same post for 7 times,lol.
It is late and I haven't slept so maybe I'm missing something here but what the hell are you talking about? Nowhere in this or any other thread have I posted more than once because I've never hit the submit key more than once!
Disregard, I do see it and have cleaned it up although not sure how it happened cause I don't think I repeatedly hit the submit key although like I said, I haven't slept. Thanks drunkenshoe!
It's OK, Bericks. I just thought I would point it out. Nevermind.
Read the last paragraph of my post, I was thanking you! Again, sorry, no sleep!!
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I am testing your common sense, and so far its not working out.
Science can explain things, but not feel things :P lol
I guess you didn't read my link to neurochemicals. You can't judge other people common sense when you lack it so obviously.
Trying to complicate words is not common sense :P
That's like "Big Bang Theory" shack:
[youtube:1b9renxt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ynf44b867I[/youtube:1b9renxt]
Use feelings ;)
But no worries mate :)
QuoteDisregard, I do see it and have cleaned it up although not sure how it happened cause I don't think I repeatedly hit the submit key although like I said, I haven't slept. Thanks drunkenshoe!
It's OK, Bericks. I just thought I would point it out. Nevermind.
Read the last paragraph of my post, I was thanking you! Again, sorry, no sleep!!
Don't worry mate, we are all friends here ;)
^^
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Trying to complicate words is not common sense :P
Use feelings ;)
But no worries mate :)
Neurochemicals are a very basic concept that is a basis of brain function. I'm sorry you find it so complicated; this may be what has lead you down the path of the 'soul'. It's a lot easier to say 'soul' in response to anything to do with the brain instead of actually trying to find the answer. The brain is a highly complex thing so explaining it away with 'soul' and 'feelings' isn't common sense but pure laziness (common sense would be: the brain is highly complex so the functions involved are probably also highly complex).
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Trying to complicate words is not common sense :P
Use feelings ;)
But no worries mate :)
Neurochemicals are a very basic concept that is a basis of brain function. I'm sorry you find it so complicated; this may be what has lead you down the path of the 'soul'. It's a lot easier to say 'soul' in response to anything to do with the brain instead of actually trying to find the answer. The brain is a highly complex thing so explaining it away with 'soul' and 'feelings' isn't common sense but pure laziness (common sense would be: the brain is highly complex so the functions involved are probably also highly complex).
No, not really. ;)
Here, i'll show you.
Guy: What do you think about this music?
Girl: It's wonderful
Alternative 2:
Guy: What do you think about this music?
Girl: The frequency has a nice vibe, the decibels sure makes a static feeling.
Just common sense ;)
I happen to be a nonbeliever though, just to get it out ;)
Wink wink.
Edit:
Alternative 2 = Wrong
Just incase ;)
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"No, not really. ;)
Here, i'll show you.
Guy: What do you think about this music?
Girl: It's wonderful
Alternative 2:
Guy: What do you think about this music?
Girl: The frequency has a nice vibe, the decibels sure makes a static feeling.
Just common sense ;)
I happen to be a nonbeliever though, just to get it out ;)
Wink wink.
Ah, so you don't really believe in the soul or feelings without a neurochemical response. Your examples cleared everything up for me. You were just talking about the words we use to explain the neural response to music. Saying it's wonderful means your brain is releasing serotonin, thus you feel wonderful (here I was thinking you thought neurochemicals weren't common sense). :wink:
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"No, not really. ;)
Here, i'll show you.
Guy: What do you think about this music?
Girl: It's wonderful
Alternative 2:
Guy: What do you think about this music?
Girl: The frequency has a nice vibe, the decibels sure makes a static feeling.
Just common sense ;)
I happen to be a nonbeliever though, just to get it out ;)
Wink wink.
Ah, so you don't really believe in the soul or feelings without a neurochemical response. Your examples cleared everything up for me. You were just talking about the words we use to explain the neural response to music. Saying it's wonderful means your brain is releasing serotonin, thus you feel wonderful (here I was thinking you thought neurochemicals weren't common sense). :wink:
It's more about complicating stuff. But never mind :P
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"It's more about complicating stuff. But never mind :P
It's funny, when I think about using chemistry and biochemistry to analyze humans, I find it to be simplifying the issue. Using 'feeling' to try and explain things is complicated because it doesn't really mean anything (it also changes from person to person which adds to the confusion).
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"It's more about complicating stuff. But never mind :P
It's funny, when I think about using chemistry and biochemistry to analyze humans, I find it to be simplifying the issue. Using 'feeling' to try and explain things is complicated because it doesn't really mean anything (it also changes from person to person which adds to the confusion).
That works in a lab or at school :)
Not when you are going to explain why birds fly etc :P
Simple stuff like that :D
But not that i say you should think like me :P
But it seems robotic either way ;)
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"That works in a lab or at school :)
Not when you are going to explain why birds fly etc :P
Simple stuff like that :D
But not that i say you should think like me :P
But it seems robotic either way ;)
No offence but your way of thinking sounds very simple and boring. Aerodynamics of bird flight:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0037335 (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0037335)
Just saying that something is "wonderful" without knowing why it's wonderful is poorer than understanding it.
If you look at the stars and only see some twinkling light in the night, you're a lot poorer off than looking at the stars at night and seeing huge fusion furnaces that have transmitted light for millennia and it took years for that light to reach your retina.
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I am testing your common sense, and so far its not working out.
Science can explain things, but not feel things :P lol
The only thing being tested by your line of questioning is patience.
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"1.Do you use "Science" which to me sounds robotic when explaining feelings.
2. Or do you use your instant feelings to explain what you like about it.
Just curious to hear what you prefer. No stress ^^
What the fucking fuck is wrong with you?
Quote from: "the_antithesis"What the fucking fuck is wrong with you?
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This would be my guess.
Booze + Broadband Connection = Threads like this one. Science!
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Quote from: "bericks999"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Well that is good, you don't use science for that, you feel it.
Good answer mate (Y)
If the science of neurochemicals reacting in your body or your physiology in general doesn't make you "Feel" things than what does? Are you telling us that your god or your religion makes you feel things? Now that's fucking stupid!
I just find it odd that people need to mark "Science" in order to explain common things in everyday life.
It's basically like being an robot.
"This material i am drinking, does not compute with my knowledge, need more juice" :P
It's nothing like being a robot at all. That is a stupid uneducated assumption by you. How ridiculous! My word you come up with the dumbest shit.
What I see by your post is someone that has a set of ideas in their head. If people and things don't fit YOUR FUCKING ASSUMPTIONS, then you think that they are nuts, or robots or crazy.
You're a complete an utter idiot. That is plain and simple to see. Noone has to conform to YOUR ideals. You make great leaps in your thinking which makes your logic faulty. It has gaping holes in it.
QuoteIt's nothing like being a robot at all. That is a stupid uneducated assumption by you. How ridiculous! My word you come up with the dumbest shit.
What I see by your post is someone that has a set of ideas in their head. If people and things don't fit YOUR FUCKING ASSUMPTIONS, then you think that they are nuts, or robots or crazy.
You're a complete an utter idiot. That is plain and simple to see. Noone has to conform to YOUR ideals. You make great leaps in your thinking which makes your logic faulty. It has gaping holes in it.
Wink wink ;)
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Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"That works in a lab or at school :)
Not when you are going to explain why birds fly etc :P
Simple stuff like that :D
But not that i say you should think like me :P
But it seems robotic either way ;)
No offence but your way of thinking sounds very simple and boring. Aerodynamics of bird flight:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0037335 (http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0037335)
Yeah, lets complicate things and use conspiracy theories, lol :P
Edit: Birds use their wings to fly. :)
It flaps ;)
But it is useful when it comes to school, if someone do wish to study birds more ;)
If they plan to make a career out of it of course ;)
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I am testing your common sense, and so far its not working out.
Science can explain things, but not feel things :P lol
The only thing being tested by your line of questioning is patience.
I like the sound of that ;)
Quote from: "Johan"Quote from: "the_antithesis"What the fucking fuck is wrong with you?
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This would be my guess.
Booze + Broadband Connection = Threads like this one. Science!
Water and fresh air is the way ;)
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Yeah, lets complicate things and use conspiracy theories, lol :P
Edit: Birds use their wings to fly. :)
It flaps ;)
But it is useful when it comes to school, if someone do wish to study birds more ;)
If they plan to make a career out of it of course ;)
Quantifiable and reproducible scientific evidence is a conspiracy theory? The kind of conclusions that come out of someone who is only willing to look at the surface of anything are pretty funny. Keep that 'wisdom' coming :rolleyes:
Quote from: "Icarus"Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Yeah, lets complicate things and use conspiracy theories, lol :P
Edit: Birds use their wings to fly. :)
It flaps ;)
But it is useful when it comes to school, if someone do wish to study birds more ;)
If they plan to make a career out of it of course ;)
Quantifiable and reproducible scientific evidence is a conspiracy theory? The kind of conclusions that come out of someone who is only willing to look at the surface of anything are pretty funny. Keep that 'wisdom' coming :rolleyes:
;)
You explain how the world works by using science. That's basically all that science is - a way of finding explanations. You asked how we explain something, so why are you surprised that we use the best method of arriving at explanations that the species has ever come up with?
(You prefer using feelings to explain feelings?)
Quote from: "Colanth"You explain how the world works by using science. That's basically all that science is - a way of finding explanations. You asked how we explain something, so why are you surprised that we use the best method of arriving at explanations that the species has ever come up with?
(You prefer using feelings to explain feelings?)
"(You prefer using feelings to explain feelings?)"
Bingo, you hit the jackpot! :)
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Quote from: "Colanth"You explain how the world works by using science. That's basically all that science is - a way of finding explanations. You asked how we explain something, so why are you surprised that we use the best method of arriving at explanations that the species has ever come up with?
(You prefer using feelings to explain feelings?)
"(You prefer using feelings to explain feelings?)"
Bingo, you hit the jackpot! :)
That's circular.
The thing I can't understand is how someone can start such
retarded threads. Are you serious about these posts? Every
one of these threads are such mindless questions. "When atheists
listen to music, how do you explain the feeling?" I'm getting a
little tired of this.
^I'm calling it. I am now also backing out of these MmmAtlas threads until someone else figures it out.
This is getting a bit retarded
MmmAtlas, I created this painting, you can't explain that! Does that make me a god? :shock:
(//http://i.imgur.com/SIbksQK.jpg) :roll: :rolleyes: :P Solitary
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"Quote from: "Shiranu"That isn't the definition of nihilism, though.
Quotethe philosophical doctrine suggesting the negation of one or more putatively meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.[1] Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological or ontological/metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.
Yes, there are some doctrines of nihilism that are atheistic, but that is just a few doctrines out of a much wider field. It's like saying all biology is microbiology.
Works for me. If i had to explain to someone. But no worries :)
[ Image (//http://s8.postimg.org/p97b1chs5/Uten_navn.png) ]
[ Image (//http://s8.postimg.org/f2ypicxdx/Uten_navn1.png) ]
From your own picture, it is saying modernity, not nihilism, has that position.
Quote from: "Solitary"MmmAtlas, I created this painting, you can't explain that! Does that make me a god? :shock:
[ Image (//http://i.imgur.com/SIbksQK.jpg) ] :roll: :rolleyes: :P Solitary
It leaves much to the imagination, cool picture.
Turns out there's a whole section on it on HowStuffWorks.
Hearing (//http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/hearing.htm)
Quote from: "Jason78"Turns out there's a whole section on it on HowStuffWorks.
Hearing (//http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/human-biology/hearing.htm)
Oh, but that is hearing not feelin ;)
But nice :)
Then you're going to need to be a little more explicit in exactly what it is that you want to know.
When I hear a well crafted work of art, like Beetovens 9th, or Jethro Tulls Thick as a Brick, it's as close as I'll ever come to a religious experience, outside of having sex of course.
Feelings are illusions created by the brain to elicit behaviors which increase the probability of getting one's genes into the next generation.
If you love a woman and child, you will be more protective of them, and increase the child's probability of surviving and reproducing. If you fear a sabre-toothed cat, you increase your probability of evading death.
The genes that produce a brain that creates these illusions become more frequent over time. That's the definition of evolution by natural selection.
Frank
Quote from: "MmmAtlas"I'll take that as a yes.
There was a word, which i can't remember. It reminded me of the one you said now "Neurochemical", but this other word is "A person who doesn't find meaning in life". Sorta like Atheism, but without a purpose.
You know why people, even religious, struggle to find a so-called 'purpose' in life? Because there isn't one. People searched for an answer to this question around the time the human brain became more developed, and in failing to find one, came up with the idea of god. (You may of heard of the contention that God is simply a Human construct).
Some people become really successful and genuinely believe they have found their purpose in life, but the truth is, they are either lucky or have simply worked harder than others for their dreams.
God is just an excuse for lack of understanding of the world and the universe.
Lol don't you guys see what this person is doing?
He's fucking with you. Screwing with you guys.
And he's WINNING.
He hasn't posted a real retort to any of your posts. Not one.
Quote from: "jublebeans"Lol don't you guys see what this person is doing?
He's fucking with you. Screwing with you guys.
And he's WINNING.
He hasn't posted a real retort to any of your posts. Not one.
He was banned a week or so ago.
Quote from: "jublebeans"Lol don't you guys see what this person is doing?
He's fucking with you. Screwing with you guys.
And he's WINNING.
He hasn't posted a real retort to any of your posts. Not one.
We realized he was a troll before he made this thread. There is no winning on the internet, only the wasting of time.
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Quote1.Do you use "Science" which to me sounds robotic when explaining feelings.
Ummm, yeah? Just because it sounds robotic to yourself that's only because you are choosing to perceive it as such. Many things which seem "robotic" just because they can be explained by modern science seem "robotic" because there are events taking place without emotional or a spiritual force guiding them, so people like you that have been conditioned to think in such terms use phrases such as "robotic" because that's how you are accustomed to viewing them.
EDIT: Just saw the other posts above, but I'll keep my post up anyway.