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Title: Computer Question
Post by: Jmpty on October 08, 2013, 10:26:50 AM
So, I got a new computer a few months ago. I7 Processor, should be fast, but I have an issue with web pages that don't seem to want to load properly. A lot of times, they load half way, and I have to refresh the page to get them to load. Kaspersky anti virus. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Plu on October 08, 2013, 10:28:32 AM
What browser and OS are you using?
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Post by: _Xenu_ on October 08, 2013, 10:33:29 AM
Its Windows 8 unless OP made a conscious decision to get 7. I would recommend trying a new browser. If speed is your primary concern, try Safari.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: wolf39us on October 08, 2013, 10:53:33 AM
Safari is good, Also try Chrome.

Also, can we have an idea of what kind of internet you're running?  Your internet might be the problem...
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Jmpty on October 08, 2013, 11:57:41 AM
Windows 7 with time warner broadband. Internet explorer browser. I'll try chrome.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: stromboli on October 08, 2013, 11:59:50 AM
Right. Had a similar problem with mine- also Windows 7. Which is why I mostly browse on Chrome. Big difference.

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The one issue I did have is for some reason Netflix doesn't work with Chrome. Apparently there is a conflict with their software, which I think is Windows based, or something. I contacted them and they told me to use IE.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Johan on October 08, 2013, 02:48:10 PM
I definitely recommend chrome over IE. Also you might want to try temporarily disabling your anti virus software next time pages stop loading just to verify That it isn't contributing to the problem.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Atheon on October 08, 2013, 03:15:48 PM
I use Chrome for most things.

I use Firefox (with DownloadHelper) to download videos from YouTube or elsewhere, and to download podcasts from XML pages.

I use IE to download Chrome and Firefox after installing Windows.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: LikelyToBreak on October 08, 2013, 03:26:14 PM
Might try cleaning out your cookies.  The easiest way, IMO, is to install ccleaner, its' easy to use and does a pretty good job. Its' a free download here: http://http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner

Of course, if you clear out your cookies regularly, then ignore me.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Johan on October 08, 2013, 06:02:02 PM
I would recommend against the use of ccleaner or any other 'miracle utilities' unless you know exactly what you're doing and why you're doing it. Especially if your only intention is to clear cookies. Every browser allows you to clear cookies without the need for any additional software.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: LikelyToBreak on October 09, 2013, 12:25:20 AM
Johan, I don't think ccleaner is one of those "miracle utilities."  When I was pretty new to computers I tried some of the those "miracle utilities" with the free trial which you then had to pay for after the trial period.  And they messed up my computer big time.  Then I tried ccleaner and never had a problem with it.  Been using it for years now.  I have not tried it on Windows 8 though.  Probably should have mentioned that.  I found it pretty intuitive to use.  

That being said, Johan is right in being leery of any utility software.  Always back up and set a restore point before trying any of them.  Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: wolf39us on October 09, 2013, 01:00:35 AM
You know I've had my same installation of windows on my computer for almost a year now... I download Microsoft Antivirus and regularly update.  My computer is as fast as a fresh install and I never have issues...

Truly your best antivirus is YOU.  Don't download stupid shit... And DONT use cracked software from an untrusted source!  Always review software before installing... Never run an unknown executable... Never unzip an unfamiliar folder.

Truly I haven't gotten a virus since the I<3U virus was out... That was a LONG time ago.


Edit:  One more thing, FUCK Norton and FUCK Symantec! :-)
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Johan on October 09, 2013, 07:25:08 AM
Quote from: "LikelyToBreak"
Johan, I don't think ccleaner is one of those "miracle utilities."  When I was pretty new to computers I tried some of the those "miracle utilities" with the free trial which you then had to pay for after the trial period.  And they messed up my computer big time.  Then I tried ccleaner and never had a problem with it.  Been using it for years now.  I have not tried it on Windows 8 though.  Probably should have mentioned that.  I found it pretty intuitive to use.  
I can certainly appreciate that you've used it for years without a problem. But I can also appreciate that I used to make a decent living fixing computers. And I cannot tell you how many times I'd be making a diagnosis on a machine that had the little ccleaner icon on the desktop. Often there would be a laundry list of strange things the machine was doing or not doing. I would always ask two questions. When did this or that strange behavior start and when did that ccleaner program get installed. Almost without fail, the answers would be along the lines of ccleaner was installed about a month an half ago and the weird issues started a little over a month ago.

Correlation isn't causation but I don't think anyone can blame me if I tend to see dollar signs when ccleaner gets mentioned as a solution. I made a lot of money working on machines which had that program installed. I don't think its a coincidence. And I don't think those machines would have turned into revenue for me regardless of whether or not they had used that little program. Because if that were the case I surely would have heard the strange problems showed up three months ago and ccleaner was installed three weeks ago. I don't think I ever heard that. It was always the machine had a little problem, ccleaner was installed, then the machine had big problems and then they called me. And then they paid me.

I'm sure it works great for some people like yourself. But I'm positive it makes money for a ton of computer techs.

And again, recommending anyone use that program or any other just to clear browser cookies? The risk to reward just isn't there for me when 5 minutes spent on google could teach anyone on the planet how to clear the cookies in any browser they might have with no addition software or risk exposure.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Jason78 on October 09, 2013, 07:45:08 AM
Quote from: "wolf39us"
Truly your best antivirus is YOU.  Don't download stupid shit... And DONT use cracked software from an untrusted source!  Always review software before installing... Never run an unknown executable... Never unzip an unfamiliar folder.


I use Microsoft security essentials and the above.  Proper housekeeping also helps your computer to stay fast and efficient.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Jason78 on October 09, 2013, 07:45:55 AM
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Might try cleaning out your cookies.  

What possible effect would that have?
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Johan on October 09, 2013, 10:37:05 AM
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Might try cleaning out your cookies.  

What possible effect would that have?
If the pages are loading slow because they're trying to read cookies that are corrupt, clearing cookies will eliminate the problem.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Colanth on October 10, 2013, 10:48:31 PM
Quote from: "Jmpty"
Windows 7 with time warner broadband. Internet explorer browser. I'll try chrome.
Same setup (even the same A/V) with Firefox and no problems.  (Although using IE doesn't cause any either.)

Do a speed test (speedtest.net) to a server about 1,000 miles away and see if you have any problems, like a high (> 50ms) ping time or hangups in the download portion.  TW isn't one of the best internet providers I've ever used but, aside from a few week period when we lost the connection a few times a day, they're not the worst of the big ones either.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: MmmAtlas on October 12, 2013, 04:38:36 PM
Suggestions.
1. Try reseting your router
2. Get a new web browser.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Colanth on October 12, 2013, 06:53:04 PM
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Might try cleaning out your cookies.  

What possible effect would that have?
If the pages are loading slow because they're trying to read cookies that are corrupt, clearing cookies will eliminate the problem.
But if they're trying to load non-corrupt cookies that aren't there, and the site was written by some wiz-kid who's been in the business a whole 3 weeks, it could bring the browser to its knees.

Delete individual corrupt cookies (they're text files so, aside from encrypted data, they're human readable), but don't delete all cookies wholesale.  (For one thing, all sites you log into, or saved data on - like shipping address, preferences, etc. - will "forget" the data you saved.)

As far as ccleaner causing problems, there was a problen 3 months ago, so the person installed ccleaner 2-1/2 months ago and the computer needs repair.  Could be that ccleaner can't fix that kind of problem, and it just kept compounding.  I have computers that ccleaner has been running on for years - and it never caused a problem.  (It fixed a few, though, more easily than if I had fixed them manually.)  Should everyone run it?  Of course not.  Probably 50% of the programs being run today should only be run by computer experts.  Try telling that to people who can't find the "any" key.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: lumpymunk on October 12, 2013, 08:31:17 PM
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Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Johan on October 12, 2013, 09:12:18 PM
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But if they're trying to load non-corrupt cookies that aren't there, and the site was written by some wiz-kid who's been in the business a whole 3 weeks, it could bring the browser to its knees.
Doubtful. Any page which is coded in the way which you suggest would not be able to load for anyone who didn't already have the cookies on their drive. Therefore the page would never load for anyone because the cookies in question would not exist on your drive until you successfully load the page for the first time. What you're suggesting is kind of a catch 22 type thing. The page won't load unless you've been there before. You can't have been there before unless the page loaded previously.



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Should everyone run it?  Of course not.  Probably 50% of the programs being run today should only be run by computer experts.  
Which is exactly why I think recommending others run it is always bad advice. If you've got the skills required to use ccleaner without issues, then you already know ccleaner exists and what it does so you don't need anyone recommending it for you. If you first learn about it via someone recommending it as a solution to a problem you've asked about, its probably best if you stay away from it. IOW, any problem ccleaner is capable of fixing is a problem that those who are qualified to use it would already know how to fix on their own and therefore wouldn't need to ask advice from strangers on the 'net to solve.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Jmpty on October 13, 2013, 01:35:27 PM
I have figured out that this only happens with links posted on facebook. Hmmm.
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Colanth on October 13, 2013, 09:54:48 PM
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Should everyone run it?  Of course not.  Probably 50% of the programs being run today should only be run by computer experts.  
Which is exactly why I think recommending others run it is always bad advice. If you've got the skills required to use ccleaner without issues, then you already know ccleaner exists and what it does so you don't need anyone recommending it for you. If you first learn about it via someone recommending it as a solution to a problem you've asked about, its probably best if you stay away from it. IOW, any problem ccleaner is capable of fixing is a problem that those who are qualified to use it would already know how to fix on their own and therefore wouldn't need to ask advice from strangers on the 'net to solve.
If the problem you have is one that CCleaner fixes, and it's recommended that you use it to fix THAT problem, there's nothing wrong with using it.  But that's just 50 years of computer design experience speaking.  Maybe I don't know enough about how computers work. eh?
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Colanth on October 13, 2013, 09:55:29 PM
Does it happen if you go to the same page by typing in the address of the page manually?
Title: Re: Computer Question
Post by: Johan on October 13, 2013, 11:02:47 PM
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If the problem you have is one that CCleaner fixes, and it's recommended that you use it to fix THAT problem, there's nothing wrong with using it.  But that's just 50 years of computer design experience speaking.  Maybe I don't know enough about how computers work. eh?
You know what you know. I know what I know. If you want to argue with me or call me crazy because I see dollar signs when I see ccleaner recommended, then you're more that welcome to do so. But I know what I saw on machines that had it installed vs machines that didn't and I know what those machines did for my bank account. Simple as that.