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Extraordinary Claims => Religion General Discussion => Hinduism and Buddhism => Topic started by: Aupmanyav on August 21, 2013, 02:00:35 PM

Title: Assassination - Narendera Dabholkar
Post by: Aupmanyav on August 21, 2013, 02:00:35 PM
MUMBAI: A day after anti-superstition activist Narendra Dabholkar was shot dead, the Maharashtra government on Wednesday decided to promulgate an ordinance to enact a long-pending bill to eradicate black magic, blind faith and superstitious beliefs. The law will be the first such in the country.

The new measure will empower the government to bring under its ambit social and religious evils, human or animal sacrifices, rituals to drive out evil spirits or ensure a male progeny, perpetrated by self-styled godmen, witchcraft and wizardry practitioners, often cheating the gullible public.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 930127.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Anti-superstition-activist-Dabholkar-shot-dead-in-Pune-CM-Pawar-condemn-killing/articleshow/21930127.cms)
https://news.google.co.in/news/rtc?ncl= ... ZM&topic=n (https://news.google.co.in/news/rtc?ncl=dWPkG905nuoiqYMsDEA3BacsJUWZM&topic=n)
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholar
Post by: Valigarmander on August 21, 2013, 02:28:41 PM
Any news yet on who the perpetrators were?
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholar
Post by: Colanth on August 21, 2013, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: "Aupmanyav"
MUMBAI: A day after anti-superstition activist Narendra Dabholkar was shot dead, the Maharashtra government on Wednesday decided to promulgate an ordinance to enact a long-pending bill to eradicate black magic, blind faith and superstitious beliefs. The law will be the first such in the country.
I'd really like to know how that works - a law that will prevent people from believing nonsense.  All it's going to do is make people contemptuous of the law.  (Which seems to be quite common in India already.)
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholar
Post by: Solitary on August 21, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
:cry:  :roll: I'm afraid you are right. How do you stop superstitious nonsense and magical thinking that's been going on for thousands of years? Solitary
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholar
Post by: Aupmanyav on August 21, 2013, 10:36:59 PM
Quote from: "Valigarmander"
Any news yet on who the perpetrators were?
Don't know yet if they were hindu nuts or muslim nuts, but probably hindu.

Don't know how the law deals with Yahweh, Allah, or Vishnu? :)
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholar
Post by: Aupmanyav on August 21, 2013, 10:41:04 PM
Quote from: "Colanth"
I'd really like to know how that works -
First, it is a beginning. Second, now if a person makes a complaint, police will have to act. They can't say that it is personal belief. The law must have listed out what it means by superstition.
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholar
Post by: Colanth on August 23, 2013, 01:07:14 AM
Quote from: "Aupmanyav"
Quote from: "Colanth"
I'd really like to know how that works -
First, it is a beginning.
It's the beginning of making people contemptuous of law, not the beginning of making them not believe.

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Second, now if a person makes a complaint, police will have to act. They can't say that it is personal belief. The law must have listed out what it means by superstition.
And the superstition mongers will modify how they say things so that they don't fall afoul of the law.
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholkar
Post by: Atheon on August 23, 2013, 01:41:37 AM
Damn... it's almost as if some people have a vested interest in peddling superstitious and religious nonsense....
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholkar
Post by: aileron on August 23, 2013, 02:24:08 AM
Quote from: "Aupmanyav"
...enact a long-pending bill to eradicate black magic, blind faith and superstitious beliefs....

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholar
Post by: Aupmanyav on August 23, 2013, 10:42:34 AM
Quote from: "Colanth"
It's the beginning of making people contemptuous of law, not the beginning of making them not believe.
I think the law would help at least in a small way. I am not pessimistic about it.
Quote from: "Atheon"
Damn... it's almost as if some people have a vested interest in peddling superstitious and religious nonsense....
Yes, for some it is their livelihood and more.
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholar
Post by: Colanth on August 24, 2013, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: "Aupmanyav"
Quote from: "Colanth"
It's the beginning of making people contemptuous of law, not the beginning of making them not believe.
I think the law would help at least in a small way.
It definitely would help - it would help people to think that law itself is ridiculous.  (You CAN NOT legislate belief.)
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholkar
Post by: Aupmanyav on August 27, 2013, 01:57:14 PM
But law can put people in jail.
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholkar
Post by: Colanth on August 27, 2013, 05:52:58 PM
As soon as the law can prove what people believe.  See, that's the problem.  A law prohibiting DOING something has a chance of being enforced.  A law prohibiting BELIEVING IN something is pure nonsense until someone invents a telepathy machine.

And making a law that can't actually be enforced (they can't prove that someone violated a law that prohibits belief) is just asking people to hold all laws in contempt, because the people who write such laws are idiots.  (Or maybe the people they're making the laws for are even more idiotic, so they won't notice how stupid the law is.  I haven't polled them, so I can't know.)
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholkar
Post by: red on August 29, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
We've  (Europe) had laws like that before. The result being things like the Spanish Inquisition and the repression of Catholics in Britain which led to them being driven underground. Also various laws against Witchcraft, Heresy, Blasphemy and Apostasy (Thought Crime however you cut it). I hope the Indians will show a little more wisdom in the enforcement of this law.
Given that the assassination took place in Bombay, Muslim extremists would seem a likely group of suspects (they bomb the trains there every so often) though Shiv Sena is also active.
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholkar
Post by: Aupmanyav on September 08, 2013, 05:21:22 AM
Muslims or Shiv Sena are not the suspects in this case. The law would, in a way, be a deterrence, because now the police will be interested in bribes from people involved. So only the people who can pay bribes would be able to engage in it. :)
Title: Re: Assassination - Narendera Dabholkar
Post by: viocjit on September 17, 2013, 04:01:13 PM
He knew probably the risks. He's died but his dead can make think some people. He did not die for nothing.