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Title: Big Oil Tells More Lies About Ethanol, Only Idiots Believe T
Post by: JI_Joe on July 30, 2013, 02:26:48 PM
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QuoteIn a move that should surprise no-one, the whining cry-baby rich-boys at Big Oil are butt-hurt over the latest federal court ruling that upholds the EPA's E15 mandate. In a legal brief filed with the US Supreme Court, the American Petroleum Institute – a powerful, well-funded lobbyist group that represents more than 500 oil and natural gas companies – insisted that transportation fuels containing 15 percent ethanol (E15) could damage cars and trucks.
Should we believe them?
Obviously, the answer is a resounding "Haha! F**k no we should not!"
Let's get one thing clear: the oil industry does not give one fat rat's ass about the health, safety, future, or security of you, me, or anyone else. The horrible people involved in the oil industry have proven, again and again – from Washington DC to Canada to Saudi Arabia to the Mississippi Gulf – that lining their own pockets with cash is more important to them than the your continued health or your children's clean drinking water. Still, that hasn't stopped them from faking a concern for your safety.
That's right kids, Big Oil would now have you believe that E15 is downright dangerous! Bob Greco, API's director of downstream and industry operations said that a switch to E15 "could also put motorists in harm's way when vehicles break down in the middle of a busy highway. We are asking the Supreme Court to step in and protect consumers by striking down EPA's dangerous E15 mandate before it's too late."
Too late? Too late for what? OMG ... they mean we might die! This scare-tactics-scumbag Bob "Greasy Pete" Greco is actually implying that switching to E15 is more likely to get you killed than toxic drinking water.
The worst part of all this is that there's a bunch of 70-80s out there who probably believe this nonsense ... and at least one or two of those idiots are already on the Supreme Court. *ahem* Thomas and Scalia *cough-cough*
Big Oil, in the guise of the API and GOP puppet groups like the AAPS, is spending untold millions and billions to fabricate whatever evidence they can to keep them from having to compete with any other fuels. They're clearly running scared, since – even with petroleum's massive government subsidies, many times more than ethanol – they're not exactly winning the hearts and minds of young Americans.
Op-ed: Everyone working with the API in their bid to block ethanol fuels should die a scandalous, camel-driven, bestiality-related death somewhat sooner than later.
 
For those of you interested in reading things on your own and forming your own conclusions, I've included a number of links throughout this article, and the original text of the story is quoted, below. Enjoy!
The U.S. oil and gas industry on Tuesday bolstered its argument for the Supreme Court to strike down the Environmental Protection Agency's decision to allow a higher blend of ethanol in newer automobiles.
In a legal brief filed with the high court, the American Petroleum Institute, which represents 500 oil and natural gas companies, insisted that transportation fuels containing 15 percent ethanol could damage cars and trucks.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled last August that trade groups representing the automobile, food and other industries did not have sufficient grounds to challenge the use of the new blend known as E15. In response, API appealed to the Supreme Court in February. The high court could make a decision about whether to hear the case soon.
"E15 could leave millions of consumers with broken-down cars and high repair bills," said Bob Greco, API's director of downstream and industry operations. "It could also put motorists in harm's way when vehicles break down in the middle of a busy highway. We are asking the Supreme Court to step in and protect consumers by striking down EPA's dangerous E15 mandate before it's too late."
API's brief was filed as a response to assertions by ethanol backers who have asked the Supreme Court to let the previous ruling stand.
The EPA, which approved the new blend in January 2011, gave the OK for it to go on sale last June. The blend, which has been approved for use in cars and light trucks built since 2000 but is banned from older vehicles and light equipment, has been slow to get off the ground. Only a few stations in the Midwest, including a half dozen in Iowa, have sold the E15 blend.
Ethanol groups said appeal to the Supreme Court was the latest sign of desperation by the oil and gas industry.
"API is basically presenting evidence to prove they will do whatever they can to keep from having to compete with any other fuels," said Ron Lamberty, senior vice president for the American Coalition for Ethanol. "Big Oil will take any approach available to delay E15 implementation while continuing its public smear campaign against it."
//http://gas2.org/2013/06/11/op-ed-big-oil-tells-more-lies-about-ethanol-only-idiots-believe-them/

   People believe this stuff?  E15 has been in my cars tanks for years now and its not acting any different than ever before. People will see this and yet they go forward with these smear campaigns any way, why bother?
Title: Re: Big Oil Tells More Lies About Ethanol, Only Idiots Belie
Post by: Colanth on July 30, 2013, 03:58:10 PM
1) Cars can be designed to use almost any combustible fuel without being damaged.  We might have to phase in a new fuel gradually, so that most of the cars that can't use it are off the road by the time the old fuel becomes totally unavailable.  Or we might have to provide a means of running the old cars on the new fuel.  (It happened with unleaded gas.)

2) Using corn-derived ethanol just exchanges one problem for another.  It causes the cost of food to go up.  (Much of what we eat these days uses corn syrup solids for sweetening.  Use a lot of corn for ethanol and corn for other uses becomes more expensive.)

3) Burning ethanol doesn't really solve many problems.  CO[sup:2l99paoi]2[/sup:2l99paoi] (which burning any fuel creates) is a greenhouse gas.  The answer isn't ethanol instead of gasoline, it's MUCH better mileage or reducing overall pollution.  (Charging electric car batteries with electricity derived from burning coal doesn't reduce pollution.)

Would I trust Big Oil to ignore profits and do legitimate research - and report the results whatever they are?  Not unless I develop full-on Alzheimer's.  Christianity has one thing right - by their fruits shall ye judge them.  And their fruits say that they'll sacrifice ANYTHING for profit.