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Title: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Nonsensei on July 10, 2013, 12:59:51 PM
http://voices.yahoo.com/secret-fbi-docu ... 57428.html (http://voices.yahoo.com/secret-fbi-document-reveals-plot-assassinate-occupy-11957428.html)

The FBI had a program to assassinate OWS movement leaders.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/ ... RC20130624 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/24/us-usa-court-generics-idUSBRE95N0RC20130624)

The supreme court has struck down a lower court decision that would have allowed a woman to sue a generic drug company when she suffered from an undocumented side effect of the drug that had a flesh eating effect that disfigured her whole body. The decision makes generic drug producers immune to any and all liability.

cue APA to tell us all how much he doesn't care about anything.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: surly74 on July 10, 2013, 01:04:39 PM
as much as i thought OWS was wrong they apparently had a right to protest. A plan to kill people for no other reason but because they are protesting is distasteful...and i'm not even american. The FBI would stand around and not warn or do anything about this is just crazy.

There is lots of room in Canada for anyone that wants to come.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Solitary on July 10, 2013, 01:20:51 PM
Is this for real? This means the United States is a Fascist State just like Germany was under Hitler now. I wonder what is going to happen after Bush, two face Janus McCain, and our president talk about immigration reform. Our country would sniper our own people if necessary to protect Wall Street criminals.  :shock:  :evil:  I can't believe what our government has become---oh yes I can---it's always been like this, just better technology, weapons, and fear of terrorist now.  :roll: Solitary
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: surly74 on July 10, 2013, 01:53:10 PM
label anything 'terrorism' and the mindless masses will allow it.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Shiranu on July 10, 2013, 01:54:51 PM
I'm going to see if I can find more sources for that first one...
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Youssuf Ramadan on July 10, 2013, 01:55:12 PM
Quote from: "surly74"label anything 'terrorism' and the mindless masses will allow it.

Yep, specially since 'the commies are coming' doesn't work as an incentive any more....
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: surly74 on July 10, 2013, 02:25:58 PM
Quote from: "Youssuf Ramadan"
Quote from: "surly74"label anything 'terrorism' and the mindless masses will allow it.

Yep, specially since 'the commies are coming' doesn't work as an incentive any more....

commies was too specific. now terrorist could be anyone...a breast feeding mom.

//http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mom_terror_bust_n1BftwpraCJSSBW1xjf2aO

someone who complains about utilities.

//http://www.prisonplanet.com/bureaucrat-water-complaints-could-be-act-of-terrorism.html

or jut a normal citizen who speaks up about anything.

//http://rense.com/general16/youmightbe.htm
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Solitary on July 10, 2013, 05:03:59 PM
Free country---Can't speak unless it's OK with the government and police; can't smoke marijuana even if it is legal in your State because it is illegal by the Government; Can have your house and car confiscated if drugs are in the house---even when it is not you in the house or your drugs; Can't do things outside your work place unless it's OK with your employee or you get fired---how can this be called a free country when you can do things that hurt no one and be arrested or loose your job over?  :evil: Solitary
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Colanth on July 10, 2013, 07:44:12 PM
Quote from: "Nonsensei"http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/24/us-usa-court-generics-idUSBRE95N0RC20130624

The supreme court has struck down a lower court decision that would have allowed a woman to sue a generic drug company when she suffered from an undocumented side effect of the drug that had a flesh eating effect that disfigured her whole body. The decision makes generic drug producers immune to any and all liability.
That will last until the first class-action suit against an insurance company, based on the fact that the insurance company required people to obtain their meds from a company that has no legal responsibility to provide safe meds.    Big insurance may just require small pharma to bond against claims, even if they're not legally responsible, if they want to be included on the insurance company's formulary.  (Paying for the non-generic would be cheaper for the insurance company than defending millions of claims.)

In the United States of Profit, it's the larger industry that's usually legally "right".
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on July 10, 2013, 07:46:59 PM
You're right nonsense.. I don't care about anything you say.  NEXT!
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Nonsensei on July 12, 2013, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You're right nonsense.. I don't care about anything you say.  NEXT!

Dude, you're someone who refuses to care about anything no matter how blatantly wrong it is. You have no credibility. Every response you make to these threads is 100% pure trolling.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 12, 2013, 04:36:01 PM
Quote from: "Nonsensei"
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"You're right nonsense.. I don't care about anything you say.  NEXT!

Dude, you're someone who refuses to care about anything no matter how blatantly wrong it is. You have no credibility. Every response you make to these threads is 100% pure trolling.


Aww common you guys.  I don't think APA is a troll.   :shock:  :shock:  Naaa..... he's just APA and sometimes he just makes goofy jokes.  He means no harm - that I know.  I've certainly seen him serious before.

We can't all agree or get along perfectly every day.  ::shrug:: Aint no big thang - right?

(spreading sunshine as best as I can lol)
 :finga:  :finga:  :finga:
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: WitchSabrina on July 12, 2013, 04:40:38 PM
Quote from: "Solitary"Is this for real? This means the United States is a Fascist State just like Germany was under Hitler now. I wonder what is going to happen after Bush, two face Janus McCain, and our president talk about immigration reform. Our country would sniper our own people if necessary to protect Wall Street criminals.  :shock:  :evil:  I can't believe what our government has become---oh yes I can---it's always been like this, just better technology, weapons, and fear of terrorist now.  :roll: Solitary


Yanno - some of these reports that come out are starting to scare the shit outta me.............. ugh.   What's America gonna be like for my grandkids in 20 years?
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: stromboli on July 12, 2013, 04:50:27 PM
Uruguay.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Sal1981 on July 13, 2013, 05:03:03 AM
I'd expect this from some fascist shithole, not the U.S.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on July 13, 2013, 11:31:38 AM
I'm trolling as opposed to false panic about the fall of western civilization as we know it? Nosense you're usually tossing all this 'the big bad gubnit is out of control' crap. You sound like the 'out of the ashes' broken record.
So report me to the proper authorities if you don't like my views or style. I suspect you're probably a snitch anyway.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Hydra009 on July 13, 2013, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: "Sal1981"I'd expect this from some fascist shithole, not the U.S.
That's the thing.  We've been inching towards the former for decades.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: ozymandias on July 13, 2013, 04:23:12 PM
Actually we may already qualify as a fascist government.  A little history, Benito mussolini created fascism, it was a fusion of corporate and governmental power with the government in control.  What we have in this country is a fusion of corporate and governmental power with the corporations in control.  Same fusion different boss.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Shiranu on July 13, 2013, 04:29:56 PM
Quote from: "ozymandias"Actually we may already qualify as a fascist government.  A little history, Benito mussolini created fascism, it was a fusion of corporate and governmental power with the government in control.  What we have in this country is a fusion of corporate and governmental power with the corporations in control.  Same fusion different boss.

Not nearly as authoritarian yet, or at least not as publicly.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on July 13, 2013, 04:33:02 PM
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Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on July 13, 2013, 04:37:50 PM
I see and hear a whole lot of bitching going on. How many of you would put your LIFE on the line to stop it all instead of whining on internet forums?
Revolutions don't come cheap, but to the oligarch your life is worth less than shit. Prove them wrong because if you don't your life is worth less than shit.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: IMMadAsHell on July 13, 2013, 05:16:10 PM
QuoteThe FBI had a program to assassinate OWS movement leaders.

Very misleading.  With just a little bit of research you can find out that the FBI Knew of a plot and not that they had a program to assassinate OWS movement leaders.  

The story, for what it's worth, is that the FBI failed to notify the OWS movement of the plot's existence.

As an aside to the Occupy Movement story and how the authorities treated them I question why all the police departments deemed it necessary to come out in full riot gear and in full force for the occupy movement as opposed to the police presence in the Tea Party protestors.  When I see the pictures of the Occupy Wall Street protestors and compare them to the Tea Party protestors I notice that one (OWS) is obviously a peaceful protest while the other (Tea Party) is toting guns and appears much more threatening.  

Maybe it's just me but I would say that the ones brandishing guns would pose the largest threat.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Shiranu on July 13, 2013, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"I see and hear a whole lot of bitching going on. How many of you would put your LIFE on the line to stop it all instead of whining on internet forums?
Revolutions don't come cheap, but to the oligarch your life is worth less than shit. Prove them wrong because if you don't your life is worth less than shit.

Oh for fuck's sake dude.

God forbid people point out the government is doing something wrong but not go and bomb a state house or something! It couldn't possibly be that some of us think that the system can be changed through nonviolent means, like it has before... no, we are just being whiny bitches.

But no, if you aren't out there hanging rich people... "LOL DUDE Y U BITCH BUT NO REVOLT LOLOLOL!!!". Fuck off.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Colanth on July 13, 2013, 07:23:12 PM
Quote from: "IMMadAsHell"As an aside to the Occupy Movement story and how the authorities treated them I question why all the police departments deemed it necessary to come out in full riot gear and in full force for the occupy movement as opposed to the police presence in the Tea Party protestors.  When I see the pictures of the Occupy Wall Street protestors and compare them to the Tea Party protestors I notice that one (OWS) is obviously a peaceful protest while the other (Tea Party) is toting guns and appears much more threatening.  

Maybe it's just me but I would say that the ones brandishing guns would pose the largest threat.
The ones with guns, who are in favor of what the police are doing, pose very little threat to the police.  Those with no guns, but who are opposed to the police, do.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Nonsensei on July 13, 2013, 07:45:28 PM
Quote from: "AllPurposeAtheist"I'm trolling as opposed to false panic about the fall of western civilization as we know it? Nosense you're usually tossing all this 'the big bad gubnit is out of control' crap. You sound like the 'out of the ashes' broken record.
So report me to the proper authorities if you don't like my views or style. I suspect you're probably a snitch anyway.

No matter how solid the evidence is you simply refuse to give the slightest shit. I imagine you would be 100% okay if congress passed a law that said government officials can legally rape whomever they want because "its always been that way anyway" or some other mindless platitude. You're a worthless piece of shit troll because all you do is sit there and deny deny deny and deny that these revelations about the government are of any significance. Theres almost no substance whatsoever to any of your responses and its clear to anyone who keeps even some vague track of your posting that you say what you say to get a rise out of people.

TROLL

But aside from reporting not being my style (I have never once reported anyone on this forum or any other forum I've ever posted on for any reason), it would also be pointless since rule enforcement on these boards is an inevitable popularity contest anyway.

Ill satisfy myself with pointing out what a shitbag you are whenever necessary.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: IMMadAsHell on July 13, 2013, 09:27:40 PM
QuoteThe ones with guns, who are in favor of what the police are doing, pose very little threat to the police. Those with no guns, but who are opposed to the police, do.

Let me see if I understand you.  I oppose the police's over reaction to non violent protests and have no gun so that makes me a bigger threat than those who are brandishing weapons and support the police?  

Your logic escapes me sir.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Jack89 on July 13, 2013, 10:22:42 PM
Quote from: "IMMadAsHell"
QuoteThe ones with guns, who are in favor of what the police are doing, pose very little threat to the police. Those with no guns, but who are opposed to the police, do.

Let me see if I understand you.  I oppose the police's over reaction to non violent protests and have no gun so that makes me a bigger threat than those who are brandishing weapons and support the police?  

Your logic escapes me sir.
Well, it seems it would make you a bigger threat, at least to the police.  Possessing a firearm, in itself, doesn't make you a threat.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Hydra009 on July 13, 2013, 10:34:45 PM
Quote from: "IMMadAsHell"Let me see if I understand you.  I oppose the police's over reaction to non violent protests and have no gun so that makes me a bigger threat than those who are brandishing weapons and support the police?  

Your logic escapes me sir.
The point is that if you're protesting for the status quo (in the teabaggers' case, status quo ante), you're not a threat to the status quo.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Agramon on July 14, 2013, 01:21:40 PM
Quote from: "stromboli"Uruguay.
No, u r.
Title: Re: Today, in the land of the free
Post by: Johan on July 14, 2013, 02:05:33 PM
Quote from: "IMMadAsHell"
QuoteThe FBI had a program to assassinate OWS movement leaders.

Very misleading.  With just a little bit of research you can find out that the FBI Knew of a plot and not that they had a program to assassinate OWS movement leaders.  

The story, for what it's worth, is that the FBI failed to notify the OWS movement of the plot's existence.
This.

And that is how the little molehill that could became the mighty mountain.