Wonder how that will work. Are they setting up an anonymous hot line? Just call in a persons name? “ Hi, I think Jane Doe is pregnant and looking for an abortion……I think John Doe is supplying funds to Mary Smith for an abortion?
Seems simple enough to wreck that idea in about 4 hours. Start turning in all the reps’ wives, daughters, sisters, mothers, grandmothers as being pregnant, then start on all the reps and their sons, brothers, father as accessories. Hell they could blow that place apart in a couple hours. And if the “special police†have to investigate each call…..well good fuckin luck with that.
How do we report people having an abortion/aiding someone with an abortion. Maybe we can have a call to action that spam-reports the dipshit politicians and policymakers that brought this to fruition.
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Help enforce the Texas Heartbeat Act.
https://prolifewhistleblower.com/
A conservative group has a hotline set up to report those who violate the new Texas law. And it has already been swamped with people screwing with that system.
Fuck all of those assholes.
This law reminds me of the slavery era--people got bounties for returning runaway slaves.
Oh hell, never mind, them peeps are way ahead of me…already slammed the website. Good for them
Tl;dr; Other than expanding the Supreme Court to prevent this, Democrats have had since 1978 to passive Legislative law protecting Roe v. Wade (as it stood it only set a precedent) whenever they have held the majority + presidency.
But what would be the advantage of doing that, when it is such a good thing to get votes off of?
QuoteOf course, Biden campaigned on a promise to pass such a federal law â€" and the good news is that he and his Democratic colleagues in Congress remain in a position to actually make that happen. There is already legislation introduced in Congress to do this. It is called the Women’s Health Protection Act, it already has 48 sponsors in the Senate, and its core precepts are wildly popular according to survey data.
And yet as Republican legislators in states across the country have been passing laws to try to restrict abortion, Democrats didn’t even introduce the latest version of this bill until June, even though there have been versions of it going back to at least 2013. And then, after Democrats finally introduced it again, the legislation has been languishing in a committee â€" all while Democrats have been raising money off their promises to protect a woman’s right to choose.
This bill doesn’t have to sit in a committee. Democrats can pass it â€" not next week, not next month, but today. Right now. And they could seek help from Republican senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine, who have both said they support Roe and who have both humiliated themselves by previously insisting that the Republican Supreme Court nominees they’ve approved would not overturn Roe.
https://jacobinmag.com/2021/09/congress-democrats-abortion-rights-legislation-majority-womens-health (https://jacobinmag.com/2021/09/congress-democrats-abortion-rights-legislation-majority-womens-health)
Quote from: Shiranu on September 04, 2021, 01:31:51 AM
But what would be the advantage of doing that, when it is such a good thing to get votes off of?
I decided long ago that solving problems, especially controversial ones left nothing for Democrats to make empty campaign promises about. The best thing that ever happened for the Democratic Party is the Republican Party.
I've just clicked the site out of curiosity.
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E: I've also heard that kids are hitting it with 'bots', but I have no idea how that works, lol.
Satanists are suing Texas for religious right to abortion.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/6/satanists-sue-for-religious-right-to-ritual-aborti/
Satanic Temple takes Legal Action Against Texas...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/satanic-templetexas-abortion-law-b1914346.html
Domain registrar GoDaddy has cut off the Texas abortion "whistleblower" website (https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/3/22656196/godaddy-texas-right-for-life-abortion-whistleblowing-site) for violating their TOS.
So a 12 year old kid can't be forced to wear a mask, but she CAN be forced to give birth.
I don't see the problem here. *shrug*
They probably see pregnancy, giving birth and the life time responsibility of a child as the punishment for sex. I'm serious. Their 'logic' works this way as far as I understand. Your age doesn't matter. If you are old enough to get pregnant... There!
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 05, 2021, 11:19:53 AM
They probably see pregnancy, giving birth and the life time responsibility of a child as the punishment for sex. I'm serious. Their 'logic' works this way as far as I understand. Your age doesn't matter. If you are old enough to get pregnant... There!
Beleeeeeeeeeeeve me. I know you're serious.
That's exactly exactly what it is.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 05, 2021, 11:19:53 AM
They probably see pregnancy, giving birth and the life time responsibility of a child as the punishment for sex. I'm serious. Their 'logic' works this way as far as I understand. Your age doesn't matter. If you are old enough to get pregnant... There!
But only if you're a woman, of course. Men have nothing to do with this.
If they coupled this law with additional laws for a DNA registry to identify and hold equally responsible the father, as well as ensure health care, child care, and the other necessities of raising a child,
and have a properly funded education system that wasn't beholden to a small panel of anti-science christofascists, it
might be very slightly less the self-righteous sexist bullshit that it is.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 05, 2021, 11:19:53 AM
They probably see pregnancy, giving birth and the life time responsibility of a child as the punishment for sex. I'm serious. Their 'logic' works this way as far as I understand. Your age doesn't matter. If you are old enough to get pregnant... There!
From the way it was explained to me by an actual pro-lifer, if you do the deed, you have to accept the results.
It's one of those things that sounds superficially persuasive, but imagine the fire dept not putting out a fire at your house because you made a mistake and accidentally started a fire and now you just have to accept your house burning down. Same logic, but that one sounds much less convincing.
She also equates fetus with baby, which is a frustrating misconception. Suffice it to say that I have yet to order eggs and bacon and expect bacon on a chicken breast.
The worst thing about this is that family planning dramatically reduces abortions and I'll give you two guesses which side of the aisle supports that more.
If you could convince repubs that they can expect more black children than white and by racist thinking expect more on the welfare dole, the law would be changed to exclude them…
Quote from: aitm on September 05, 2021, 06:46:46 PM
If you could convince repubs that they can expect more black children than white and by racist thinking expect more on the welfare dole, the law would be changed to exclude them…
I think that would just give them more incentive to cut welfare.
Quote from: aitm on September 05, 2021, 06:46:46 PM
If you could convince repubs that they can expect more black children than white and by racist thinking expect more on the welfare dole, the law would be changed to exclude them…
Let's say that's the case, we convinced them. Can they really do something like that openly? Trying to get how far things have gone in general. I'll need to renew my touristic visa in 2024. :/
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 06, 2021, 12:16:32 PM
Let's say that's the case, we convinced them. Can they really do something like that openly? Trying to get how far things have gone in general. I'll need to renew my touristic visa in 2024. :/
Of course they could. Look at the ease with which they are changing the face of voting, making it harder for the poor and people with nonwhite skin to vote. And look how easy they are working around Roe v. Wade, making it useless. And on and on.
Ooof. So the next, post Trump US visit will suck, right? That is supposed to be the Europe vacation, not the US! I'm not talking to Americans right now.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 07, 2021, 04:03:41 AM
Ooof. So the next, post Trump US visit will suck, right? That is supposed to be the Europe vacation, not the US! I'm not talking to Americans right now.
You are an individual on an individual trip. Your next visit could be very pleasant. Just as a trip to Russia or China could be pleasant. You pick the right spots and you'd have a good experience. Of course, the opposite could also be true. Will I be doing much traveling in this country right now? No. We will be sticking to home--and I mean house home. We will not go anywhere unless it is essential to us--you know dr. apt, grocery shopping, those kinds of trips. Of course, having said that, in a week we will be going to the CA coast--Mendocino area. But even then, it will be to visit daughter and husband who run a camp site (huge one) right on the coast. So, it will be to visit them, and they are both avid anti covid in that they always distance and wear masks. And only for 5 days. Then back home and our shut-in ways.
I would advise that you travel here at your own risk. Good luck no matter what you decide.
Yeah...My situation is not about a vacation of course. I can live without traveling anywhere, but my only sibling is an American citizen, it's her chosen beloved home, and I have to/need to be available to fly to the US just like that in a heart beat when she needs me. So that's my worry.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 07, 2021, 12:44:55 PM
Yeah...My situation is not about a vacation of course. I can live without traveling anywhere, but my only sibling is an American citizen, it's her chosen beloved home, and I have to/need to be available to fly to the US just like that in a heart beat when she needs me. So that's my worry.
Ah, I see. I think you could probably slip in and out fairly easily. And visiting a sibling is different than just traveling. Hopefully, you won't 'have' to come any time soon. BTW, what area does she live in?
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 07, 2021, 02:41:52 PM
Ah, I see. I think you could probably slip in and out fairly easily. And visiting a sibling is different than just traveling. Hopefully, you won't 'have' to come any time soon. BTW, what area does she live in?
Oregon.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 07, 2021, 12:44:55 PM
Yeah...My situation is not about a vacation of course. I can live without traveling anywhere, but my only sibling is an American citizen, it's her chosen beloved home, and I have to/need to be available to fly to the US just like that in a heart beat when she needs me. So that's my worry.
Well we could get married and you could stay here. Sure! We have about a week to get married and of course consummate the marriage before my wife finds out…….ðŸ˜.
Quote from: aitm on September 07, 2021, 03:36:45 PM
Well we could get married and you could stay here. Sure! We have about a week to get married and of course consummate the marriage before my wife finds out…….ðŸ˜.
Darling, we have been married for over ten years... And I'll be here forever.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2021/09/13/texas-gop-website-restored-after-being-hacked-by-pro-abortion-activists/
So it was hacked, and restored again.
CAPS ON>I'm thinking these kind of sites could be some hacker training points in the future. <CAPS OFF LOL, just a joke. Writing a sic-fi story. :D
While the violation of Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood vs Casey are obviously massive, one thing that has been swept under the rug in this discussion of it being a violation of women's rights is that the law opens up a means for conservative states to violate all individual rights; when an unconstitutional law is enforced by the state we are allowed to sue the state and take it to the Supreme Court, however when it is enforced by private individuals you no longer have that option.
This leaves a loophole now for authoritarians who oppose individual liberties to enact similar laws across the board that give their followers the ability to enforce unconstitutional laws upon others; if Mussolini isn't allowed to arrest you and the court opposes it then his brown-shirts legally can and the court will support it.
By tying it in with Roe v. Wade, the GOP have managed to make the conversation around it be one of an identity politics issues (which it 100% rightly is) instead of an attempt to circumvent the Constitution, which their heavily partisan Supreme Court has decided to allow.
Just as an aside, it was just yesterday or day before that Amy Coney Barrett was crying to the press that it's unfair how the Supreme Court is viewed as partisan; just more smoke and mirrors to try and divert people's attention that the Supreme Court is actively encouraging and directing one party on how to ignore the Constitution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnO7pL-QWyc
ABC is on record about how she's going after abortion rights, from awhile back. People with prejudices like that don't belong in the SCOTUS.
The women in this country are going to burn it the FUCK down if they try to overturn.
People can take only so much disenfranchisement.
My wife watches TV, and saw in the news that California (my home state) is going to be a sanctuary state for females seeking abortion. When people drive into California, they are asked about agricultural items, as California wants to limit the importation of nasty bugs. California raises a gigantic amount of food for the US, and doesn't need that industry threatened. So, some females, leaving another state might be questioned at the border when leaving, but when they get to California, that "fruit" won't be asked after.
NONE OF THIS is ok. NONE OF IT.
Quote from: aitm on September 03, 2021, 12:03:01 PM
Wonder how that will work. Are they setting up an anonymous hot line? Just call in a persons name? “ Hi, I think Jane Doe is pregnant and looking for an abortion……I think John Doe is supplying funds to Mary Smith for an abortion?
Seems simple enough to wreck that idea in about 4 hours. Start turning in all the reps’ wives, daughters, sisters, mothers, grandmothers as being pregnant, then start on all the reps and their sons, brothers, father as accessories. Hell they could blow that place apart in a couple hours. And if the “special police†have to investigate each call…..well good fuckin luck with that.
Yeah, but better question - whose actually gonna do that in practice as opposed to pure fantasy? Also show me the text of the law.