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Title: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 05, 2021, 06:17:15 AM
I realize Brexit may not still be a big part of most of you guys' lives.
And hell, a lot of new spectacular shit has happened since that referendum half a decade ago and the resulting brexit half a year ago.

But I'm still keeping an eye on it. It hits a bit closer to home, for me, I guess.

The UK breaking international law, the blatant disregard for peace on the island of Ireland from number 10 Downing Street, the lacking response from the EU on our part (filled with, in my opinion, too much appeasing and coddling)... It captivates me.

But nothing more than the fact that all these Brexiteers are now just piling blame onto the EU for all the costs they have add in their trades with their main  trading partners, approaching extra tarifs on travelling from their third country to the EU,  added costs and timeloss in checks, shortages in supermarkets, lack of funding in certain area's for projects that were supported by the EU, lack of lorry drivers and seasonal workers, ...
It's amazing in a very bad way... You were warned this was exactly what would happen, I feel like. And even your leaders acknowledged that at the time. Or most of them did. They claimed it'd be a small price to pay for sovereignty and that other benefits would outway these 'small' problems.
Yes, you were lied to by those you trusted and evidently still trust. Yes, you are now worse of. But what gives you the audacity to pin this now on the people who have been warning you that exactly this would happen, not out of spite or anti-british post brexit hatred; but because that is exactly what you chose for. You wanted to become a third country. It was evident what it would entail. It was known... It's just so infuriating to watch. And almost half of the population of GB, apparently, still pin this on the EU, still believing the bullshit lies that these are  spitefull hatefilled tactics aimed especially at the UK for leaving them.

I'll be honest Boris Johnson and his cronies may have even improved on the dishonesty-politics of Trump. Yes, Trump's following is just as blind and stupidly loyal in the face of  scandalous and monstrous behaviour from number 45 and his team. (Including ripping off his own supporters.) But the UK's government has actually gotten what they wanted and still managed to play that off as the fault of an organisation that they are no longer part of and that has exactly zero input into their policies. They broke their own legs with a baseball bat and cry how the EU is crippling them. For fuck's sake... it gets me angry.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 05, 2021, 06:25:16 AM
Made it myself from the blank slate, epic paint-skillz I have them.

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/233064518_10223154159099918_8942525683038762387_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=7H2-6FL3VmcAX_ZF2vA&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=d018901b9dca67207a3577f27328a063&oe=613165CF)

Sorry if I'm beatin a dead horse. But it feels very much like a equine zombie to me.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: SGOS on August 05, 2021, 07:48:25 AM
Thanks for that.  You are right, I have heard zero about Brexit after it happened, and after all the pre brexit controversy, I was curious how it would turn out, but this is not unusual for our American Media, and it's not necessarily because it's about a foreign continent.  They often drop the ball after the high interest shock value is gone.  I wonder a lot about how things turn out in my own country.

This part is especially interesting:
QuoteBut nothing more than the fact that all these Brexiteers are now just piling blame onto the EU for all the costs they have add in their trades with their main  trading partners, approaching extra tarifs on travelling from their third country to the EU,  added costs and timeloss in checks, shortages in supermarkets, lack of funding in certain area's for projects that were supported by the EU, lack of lorry drivers and seasonal workers, ...
Wasn't your earlier prime minister trying to avoid much of this when she wouldn't give up on soft Brexit?  From what it looked like to me over here was that this Brexit thing wasn't going to work very well, because I didn't get a sense that the EU was going to give Great Britain any of that.  It would be like Texas exiting the US, and expecting the rest of the states to provide their roads, highways, and Federally funded programs.

Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Cassia on August 05, 2021, 09:46:03 AM
A convergence of unfortunate timing perhaps. To this American it seemed that many Brits were especially tired of Muslims and the Islamification of the UK as I have heard it called. Terrorist action and beheadings in the streets of London are strong motivators. I have read there is an association between the growing xenophobia and Brexit, not unlike the anti-immigration/white supremacy sweeping the US lately.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2021, 12:51:13 PM
After Brexit, walls got written on slurs trageting the Polish minority, traditional neo-nazi slogans. My aunt -who happens to have 'white' skin - had a nasty shock, when one morning her boss got out from the car they were in to scream at a black young couple some racial obscenities, and had to move on with a new gig, which was fortunately not so difficultt for her because as a senior she does volunteer job mostly. She doesn't even have British passport as widely known around her, she has a Swiss. She has just moved there because Geneva is extremely expensive and completely dead dull. Father and mother of a family - Turkish-British - we have known for very long, has lived in GB for over 40 years have voted for the Brexit. They have a peachy life. Oh and yeah they have 'white' skin. Their daughter is the woman I had a row about covid vaccination, who also ironically has a 'darker' skin colour which under the circumstances suggests she is an immigrant, which she is. (She has voted against Brexit.)

Anyway, as far as I understand Cameron offered referandum as a political show. He was already talking about the huge 'welfare burden' the Muslim minorities caused to GB if memory serves right, which by the way was apparently a complete lie. Also, I remember that it was revealed that the British population was the biggest group who lived on welfare all around EU at that time. I don't think anybody thought any referandum would happen there, let alone something like this. But then think about referandums in this context. I often listen people talk about them on how anti-democratic they are because of the 'majority' factor, but in my opinion in European culture if you refuse to get into a referandum, you also declare your own population pretty subpar and by extent the elections that take place there in general, even your own existence, lol.

Anyway, I don't believe anyone thought about any kind of economy at all.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 05, 2021, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: SGOS on August 05, 2021, 07:48:25 AM

This part is especially interesting:Wasn't your earlier prime minister trying to avoid much of this when she wouldn't give up on soft Brexit?  From what it looked like to me over here was that this Brexit thing wasn't going to work very well, because I didn't get a sense that the EU was going to give Great Britain any of that.  It would be like Texas exiting the US, and expecting the rest of the states to provide their roads, highways, and Federally funded programs.

Wilmés was rightly worried about the effects it would have on Belgium. My dad works for the port of Antwerp and he is not happy with it. But all in all, we seem to cope. Especially relatively speaking to the people across the channel.
It's not been a mad max style apocalypse here nor there. You won't hear me say that. But it is clear the situation is not better for anyone on either side of the channel. (except for the happy few who could stuff their pockets due to this political farce and cling to power because of it)
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on August 10, 2021, 07:13:06 AM
Now, I'm no economics major, but the lack of emphasis on the Brexit part of this problem in this article baffles me.

Also, 2000 army personel to make up for a 100.000 lorry drivers gap... Jeez.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9873763/Army-standby-stock-Britains-shelves-2-000-HGV-drivers-Royal-Logistics-Corps.html
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Shiranu on August 10, 2021, 10:31:10 AM
Thing that all the experts said would be a terrible idea turns out to be terrible idea. Who would guess?

As my parents said, "Don't cut off your nose to spite your own face."
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: SGOS on August 10, 2021, 10:41:07 AM
^Just to emphasize that this deserves more than just one clik on the "Like" button.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 10, 2021, 11:59:32 AM
Quote"Don't cut off your nose to spite your own face."

Oh that's good. We say, "if you lock horns with your ass, you shit your pants" to that.


Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 27, 2021, 02:59:57 AM
Did you guys see this?

Empty shelves, gasoline shortages and sky-high energy prices? Britain is facing a ‘difficult winter’

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/24/empty-shelves-and-gasoline-shortages-uk-facing-a-difficult-winter.html

Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on September 27, 2021, 03:59:30 AM
Aye, I've been following it for a while.

Check out 'maximilien robespierre' and 'a different bias'. They've been covering it. Bit repetitive, but it is a problem their government refuses to take any meaningful steps to fixing. Mainly because they spent most time denying the rammifications and blaming them on other stuff. So these youtubers keep talking about the same stuff too.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 27, 2021, 07:22:41 AM
Dec 23 2020. This, right. It's bad and it is going to be worse. And right now exactly like it is saying at 20th min, the workers and poor people will pay for all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PIf5zM840

Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on September 27, 2021, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 27, 2021, 07:22:41 AM
Dec 23 2020. This, right. It's bad and it is going to be worse. And right now exactly like it is saying at 20th min, the workers and poor people will pay for all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PIf5zM840

Lol  hadn't even seen that one. Found their individual channels few months ago. Their videos are good yo listen to on the headphone whilst doing the dishes.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 27, 2021, 12:01:03 PM
And I didn't realise it was a channel until you said it. I thought it was one program. :lol:
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on January 25, 2022, 12:18:32 PM
Maybe not really ´brexit´ anymore, but boris will always be the brexit minister...

The downing Street parties are now under criminal investigation.
Who knew that the guys who lied their way to power, sacrificing the wellbeing of millions of people for personal gain, would say ´fuck the rules, fuck those peasants, we are above the fucking law´.

Truly shocking.

You know, it´s not that I mind seeing boris and his cronies going down. But that this is what brings him to his end... that fact I hate. Yes, it is somewhat Poetic... but he should have been removed a dozen times over.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: SGOS on January 26, 2022, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 25, 2022, 12:18:32 PM
Maybe not really ´brexit´ anymore, but boris will always be the brexit minister...

The downing Street parties are now under criminal investigation.
He will be to me, but in the USA this criminal investigation for having a Covid Party would just be laughed off.  There would be finger pointing and attempts to inflict political damage, but beyond that, it's just chalked up to hypocrisy at the most.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 03, 2022, 08:22:44 AM
My dad´s an International development manager for the Port of antwerp.
He told me over dinner last night that he was the taskforce´s operational leader, that helped make this happen. Proud of him.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/port-of-antwerp-reaps-rewards-from-brexit/
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Shiranu on May 03, 2022, 06:59:44 PM
QuoteMaybe not really ´brexit´ anymore, but boris will always be the brexit minister...

Funny coming back at looking at this post, as just a few months later he has seemed to 180 his reputation and is now appearing like one of the few European world leaders strong against Russia...
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 04, 2022, 01:00:10 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on May 03, 2022, 06:59:44 PMFunny coming back at looking at this post, as just a few months later he has seemed to 180 his reputation and is now appearing like one of the few European world leaders strong against Russia...

Not really agreeing with that.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Shiranu on May 04, 2022, 02:30:59 AM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on May 04, 2022, 01:00:10 AMNot really agreeing with that.
Maybe it's just American (don't know if all English speaking) media then, but he is being portrayed very, very positively over here as someone who may have been an incompetent PM but has been strong on Russia.

(Often left out is how much of England's parliament seems indebted to Russian money and oil still, but meh... details.)
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Mr.Obvious on May 04, 2022, 05:51:26 AM
Well, I can´t claim to be an impartial observer.

That aside, I think he is seen as a bit of a joke, this side of the channel. And at home too, with most people in the polls saying he´s doing poorly and if I remember reading correctly a 2:1 ratio of people who would rather see him resigning.

His rolout to the ukrzine crisis, to me, also seems lackluster honestly. Early on they made it as hard as possible for the refugees to enter brittain and I think they are still trailing in that departement. Oh, he apoligizes for that and talks a lot of Talk, but the words of a known an confirmed liar mean little to nothing. And comparing the crisis to brexit, last month was notthe wordt thing he ever did, but still in poor taste. Their actions against oligarchs were also too little too late .
I now see promises and an attempt to bolster and cash in for the upcoming elections. But little to prop up those actions.
He´s barking now, but it seems to me to be more of an attempt for selfpreservation than actual leadership.
Though, yes, I am not impartial. And maybe I am not giving credit where credit is due. But he has fucked up his own legacy far enough that I and many others simple can´t even begin to believe it to be anything other than scrambling to survive another month in a position he must fully well realize he´s inept to fullfill.
Title: Re: Brexit, the ongoing saga
Post by: Shiranu on May 04, 2022, 12:45:07 PM
Nah, I agree with pretty much all you said; that's more or less how I see him.

It must just be an American media thing, kinda like how we still idolize the royal family despite also being fully aware that they are a horrible institution. I don't understand "the point" in hyping up foreign leaders, but maybe there isn't one.