Fascists gonna fascist.
Also, fun trivia; Rasmussen (and other MAGAts) have started quoting Stalin as an argument on why they should be able to overthrow the election.
https://www.kltv.com/2020/12/28/gohmert-sues-vp-pence-over-role-declaring-biden-winner-election/ (https://www.kltv.com/2020/12/28/gohmert-sues-vp-pence-over-role-declaring-biden-winner-election/)
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TYLER, Texas (KLTV) - Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tyler) has filed a lawsuit against Vice President Mike Pence in the hopes of delivering the election to President Trump.
Gohmert’s suit alleges that any action taken by Pence on Jan. 6 to formally declare Joe Biden the winner of the 2020 presidential election will be fraudulent. The suit states “This civil action seeks an expedited declaratory judgment finding that the elector dispute resolution provisions in Section 15 of the Electoral Count Act, 3 U.S.C. §§ 5 and 15, are unconstitutional because these provisions violate the Electors Clause and the Twelfth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.â€
More specifically, Gohmert’s suit objects to the counting of the Arizona slate of electors voting for Biden and to the Biden slates from the remaining Contested States. It states that when Congress convenes on January 6 to count the electoral votes and declare President-Elect Biden as the winner, Gohmert will formally object to the count which, the lawsuit states, is a privilege he is entitled to “under the Twelve Amendment†(sic). Further, Gohmert is also asking Judge Jeremy Kernodle, a President Donald Trump-appointed district judge in Tyler, to find that Pence is authorized to pick pro-Trump electors on January 6.
Don't like the vote? Just throw them out and replace them with people who support you. Nothing is more American than that.
Right after Biden won the election, my husband told me, "You won't see conservatives crying and taking to the streets like liberals did when Trump won."
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The genocide may yet come. Either the communists will kill all the capitalists, or vice versa. If I were Pence, I would seize power. The lives of the Elite would mean nothing to me. The lives of the people, even less.
The GOP have been traitors since the 1850s, and under other names before that. The Dems have been traitors going back to President Jackson and before. Americans are born traitors, criminals all.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 28, 2020, 02:28:28 PM
Right after Biden won the election, my husband told me, "You won't see conservatives crying and taking to the streets like liberals did when Trump won."
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Your husband looks a bit young...
I read a book called When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon Festinger. Festinger stated that five conditions must be present if someone is to become a more fervent believer after a failure or disconfirmation:
This study probably applies to these "religious" Trumpers. Wiki provides the summary...
A belief must be held with deep conviction and it must have some relevance to action, that is, to what the believer does or how he or she behaves.
The person holding the belief must have committed himself to it; that is, for the sake of his belief, he must have taken some important action that is difficult to undo. In general, the more important such actions are, and the more difficult they are to undo, the greater is the individual's commitment to the belief.
The belief must be sufficiently specific and sufficiently concerned with the real world so that events may unequivocally refute the belief. Such undeniable disconfirmatory evidence must occur and must be recognized by the individual holding the belief.
The individual believer must have social support. It is unlikely that one isolated believer could withstand the kind of disconfirming evidence that has been specified. If, however, the believer is a member of a group of convinced persons who can support one another, the belief may be maintained and the believers may attempt to proselytize or persuade nonmembers that the belief is correct.
Three words, all the same ...
Entropy = individuals "progress" until they are dead
Entropy = societies "progress" until they are history
Entropy = species "progress" until they are extinct
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week." - General Patton\
People were buying and selling and farming and getting married every day, until it stopped. Nineveh was never rebuilt.
Y'all may have less than one month to live ;-(
Quote from: Cassia on December 28, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
I read a book called When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon Festinger. Festinger stated that five conditions must be present if someone is to become a more fervent believer after a failure or disconfirmation:
This study probably applies to these "religious" Trumpers. Wiki provides the summary...
A belief must be held with deep conviction and it must have some relevance to action, that is, to what the believer does or how he or she behaves.
The person holding the belief must have committed himself to it; that is, for the sake of his belief, he must have taken some important action that is difficult to undo. In general, the more important such actions are, and the more difficult they are to undo, the greater is the individual's commitment to the belief.
The belief must be sufficiently specific and sufficiently concerned with the real world so that events may unequivocally refute the belief. Such undeniable disconfirmatory evidence must occur and must be recognized by the individual holding the belief.
The individual believer must have social support. It is unlikely that one isolated believer could withstand the kind of disconfirming evidence that has been specified. If, however, the believer is a member of a group of convinced persons who can support one another, the belief may be maintained and the believers may attempt to proselytize or persuade nonmembers that the belief is correct.
Seems to me the internet is a huge aid to those with weird (but strongly held) beliefs to find others with similar beliefs.
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 28, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
Seems to me the internet is a huge aid to those with weird (but strongly held) beliefs to find others with similar beliefs.
Exactly what ABC, NBC, CBS would have said in 1965-1975 while propagating government lies about Vietnam. LBJ was a lying tyrannical murderous bastard. But of course none of us woke folk would do what he did ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 28, 2020, 04:10:57 PM
Seems to me the internet is a huge aid to those with weird (but strongly held) beliefs to find others with similar beliefs.
I've been thinking about that lately, how the previously scattered and isolated wingnuts can now, through the internet, find like-minded wingnuts and boost each other's wingnuttery and feel fully vindicated by the hordes of alternative facts they can generate together.
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 28, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
I've been thinking about that lately, how the previously scattered and isolated wingnuts can now, through the internet, find like-minded wingnuts and boost each other's wingnuttery and feel fully vindicated by the hordes of alternative facts they can generate together.
For some silly reason, I used to think that the internet would do away with most of these type of thinkers. But it seems to have turned out to be the opposite. Sane thinking seems to have taken a huge hit!
It also allows skeptics to link up and spread fact-checking. The internet can both exacerbate and fight off alternative thinking.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 28, 2020, 02:28:28 PM
Right after Biden won the election, my husband told me, "You won't see conservatives crying and taking to the streets like liberals did when Trump won."
This is a far cry from burning down major sections of cities.
Liberals riot in the streets, conservatives riot in the voting booth.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on December 28, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
This is a far cry from burning down major sections of cities.
Liberals riot in the streets, conservatives riot in the voting booth.
You have an endless supply of bullshit don't you. You and Baruch simply make shit up and expect others to lap it up.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 28, 2020, 06:28:22 PM
It also allows skeptics to link up and spread fact-checking. The internet can both exacerbate and fight off alternative thinking.
I agree with that. I just really underestimated the power of crazies linking together on the internet.
Never underestimate the power of the crazies. My nursing friends have colleagues who are medical professionals and loudly denounce wearing masks, socially distancing, and even the seriousness of COVID.
Yes..the internet really delivers in so many good ways as well. I regularly thank house and senate reps via twitter tweets when they sponsor a bill I like. Let them know that I am grateful when they actually care. You might be surprised by the number of responses/likes I get back !!! You can follow their moves (and media links) here: https://www.congress.gov/
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 28, 2020, 07:43:55 PM
You have an endless supply of bullshit don't you. You and Baruch simply make shit up and expect others to lap it up.
Noticing a difference between tedious legal challenges and black block violence is bullshit.
Quote from: CrowTRobot on December 28, 2020, 09:00:00 PM
Never underestimate the power of the crazies. My nursing friends have colleagues who are medical professionals and loudly denounce wearing masks, socially distancing, and even the seriousness of COVID.
Yeah, I'm having my nose rubbed in that--underestimating crazies. My step-daughter is an RN who has never stayed home--does wear a mask, but not often and does not like to social distance. She is trying to figure out how to keep from taking the vaccine--her hospital will require all personnel to take it (them) sometime in the not too distance future. I can't figure that out!
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 28, 2020, 06:28:22 PM
It also allows skeptics to link up and spread fact-checking. The internet can both exacerbate and fight off alternative thinking.
Yes, however, the problem is there is nothing titillating about fact-checking, reasoned conversation, or the truth. Social media is not a level playing field.
Lies spread faster online than the truth: study (https://www.producer.com/news/lies-spread-faster-online-truth-study/)
In a paper published March 8 in the journal Science, researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found that untruths posted on Twitter spread more rapidly and reached many more people than true information.
“We found that falsehood diffuses significantly farther, faster, deeper and more broadly than the truth in all categories of information and in many cases by an order of magnitude,†said Sinn Aral, a professor at the MIT Sloan School of Management and co-author of the paper. ...
False information on politics dominated the study, but the researchers also looked at false information in the areas of terrorism, business, science and entertainment.
“False news stories are 70 percent more likely to be retweeted than true stories are,†said an MIT news release on the study.
“It also takes true stories about six times as long to reach 1,500 people as it does for false stories to reach the same number of people.†...
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 28, 2020, 05:51:14 PM
I've been thinking about that lately, how the previously scattered and isolated wingnuts can now, through the internet, find like-minded wingnuts and boost each other's wingnuttery and feel fully vindicated by the hordes of alternative facts they can generate together.
And enables enablers of the CCP in the West ;-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 28, 2020, 06:05:35 PM
For some silly reason, I used to think that the internet would do away with most of these type of thinkers. But it seems to have turned out to be the opposite. Sane thinking seems to have taken a huge hit!
You are assuming that you are sane, and that everyone should be just like you ;-) There no such thing as truth. Just monkey people jerking ...
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 28, 2020, 07:43:55 PM
You have an endless supply of bullshit don't you. You and Baruch simply make shit up and expect others to lap it up.
You love your Chinese stir fry, don't you Fang Fang?
Quote from: CrowTRobot on December 28, 2020, 09:00:00 PM
Never underestimate the power of the crazies. My nursing friends have colleagues who are medical professionals and loudly denounce wearing masks, socially distancing, and even the seriousness of COVID.
But medical professionals are ... gods, aren't they? I worked with military medicine for 22 years, doctors are normal shits.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on December 28, 2020, 09:33:43 PM
Noticing a difference between tedious legal challenges and black block violence is bullshit.
The Lefties are the Master Race, but somehow aren't like Nazis ;-) They would never go back in time and strangle Baby Lenin ;-))
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on December 28, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
This is a far cry from burning down major sections of cities.
Liberals riot in the streets, conservatives riot in the voting booth.
Woke up in your clown make-up today I take presume...
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"That last one was possibly a legal citizen's arrest and not at all terrorism, according to trustworthy right-wing sources. Also, that group was infiltrated by secret deepstate federal agents and crisis actors. Conservatives are good people unlike those fascist Californian lieberals!" - a guy who is definitely not a closeted conservative
Dems are good communists, not bad communists ;-)
The book Cassia posted and the comments about the negative impact of internet on human culture remind me a scene from a documentary on human brain. Probably you guys know about it and again probably they have gone beyond that already. (It's been years and I forgot the name, what it was...etc.)
They ask questions to important neuroscientists in the field and one of them (I think he was Dutch) tells the reporter something like 'Extend your arm, make a thumb up and draw a circle around your body. Your brain is naturally programmed not to think outside of that circle without extra effort. Every time you think outside of that circle, it costs to your brain'.
I was atonished because although I get how crucial and natural for us to ignore or forget in every sense -kudos to our evolution- this base sounded so scary for a highly social animal to me as a layman.
But then I also remember what a group of anthropologists in a site were trying to explain to people who come there to ask questions. (There were RL scientists from other fields too.) The main point was what kind of a severely high maintenance organ the human brain is and therefore why its development is related to meat consumption and 'self centric' traits, if you will. (They were a humurous lot, they also called the level of human intelligence among animals as some sort of a 'glitch' with a pityingly affectionate manner, lol.)
Anyway, it seems that we have every thing ready and available for us, humans not to think about beyond at some point, or be selective about it unless we force ourselves. Yet, they do it all the time, and have done since the beginning or we still would have been living in caves. So we also have a natural drive to do this.
So, what is it? Obviously, it can't be one thing. But there is something or some process at work that results differently at least for some people and they become different than others. I'm of course not using terms like 'good', 'evil', 'moral' or 'immoral' and I'm aware that there are countless variations that shape every person's life in billions. And while that level of complication is mind breaking, for some reason I started to think that whatever the cause and effect mechanism here, it must be something very simple.
Why, when some people subrscribe to an idea, they tend to see nothing else, can't get enough of it going in the deep end, while others automatically feel uncomfortable with any idea, the moment it starts to confirm/conform itself?
I don't have anthing to offer other than the usual foolish starting point, myself. I automatically get suspicious of any idea, thought or opinion esp. if I like it, and find it sensible because I automatically think that as a human being, highly likely -consciously or unconsciously- I find some benefit in it and this goes the same way in opposite too. (We are not talking about facts, needlessly to say.)
And what happens? I keep trying to catch myself out -and others- all the time when thinking or reading or listening about something. So, compartmentalisation is not an option for me, it's been a complete failure, and naturally I was diagnosed with clinical depression around 30. It's a pretty exhausting, tragic situation. (I even started to feel natural closeness to clinically depressed people and feel cold for 'healthy' others because in a very silly, foolish way, it feels like something is wrong with anyone who can compartmentalise and feel content -that's happy in new age I guess- in this day and age and automatically I think they must be subscribed to some abhorrent self centered idea to be able to do that.)
I'm giving myself just as an example, naturally I don't know any other mind. But is there a way out of this? Is there even a middle way in all this with the point we've arrived from the internet, mass social media, to the decline in understanding of knowledge and information; all the bullshit at one side, and the real development; science flying and dissapearing from sight up away in the horizon at the other? I don't see it. We are trapped.
PS This thread is a scary one, did you notice? LOL
Communists aren't scary - Joseph Stalin. WWII was the victory of Stalin and Mao against the capitalists. And they are still winning. Won't y'all be relieved when the world is under communism?
"Escobar: Turkey Pivots To The Center Of The New Great Game" ... "When it comes to sowing â€" and profiting â€" from division, Erdogan’s Turkey is quite the superstar." ... Turkish delight
"Bass Blasts "Deeply Corrupt" EU Over Imminent Landmark China Investment Deal" ... èµ,,本主义çš,,猎狗
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on December 28, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
This is a far cry from burning down major sections of cities.
Liberals riot in the streets, conservatives riot in the voting booth.
Here we go again--those fucking liberals are at it again!!
Proud Boys’ Hotel Hangout Shutting Down On Jan. 6 ‘Wild Protest’ Day.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hotel-harrington-closed-proud-boys-january-6_n_5feaac94c5b66809cb33a510
The Washington, D.C., hotel and bar where the white nationalist Proud Boys hang out when they’re in town for protests has announced it will be closed Jan. 6, the day Congress is scheduled to certify the Electoral College vote for President-elect Joe Biden.
It’s also the day of a planned “Wild Protest†in Washington to rail against Donald Trump’s reelection loss. The president is urging his followers to turn out that day in his desperate, last-ditch effort to stay in the White House.
It is amazing how much damage the left does in this country with all the bombings, riots, stabbings, property damage, kidnapping attempts and armed demonstrations they cause all the damn time! Proud Boys are liberal--right????
Won't be happy until California is destroyed by earthquake ;-)
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on December 28, 2020, 07:39:58 PM
This is a far cry from burning down major sections of cities.
Liberals riot in the streets, conservatives riot in the voting booth.
See, when you say stupid shit like this, it kinda makes it hard to take you seriously when you say you're not a Conservative, and you "criticize both sides."
Quote from: Blackleaf on December 29, 2020, 04:30:02 PM
See, when you say stupid shit like this, it kinda makes it hard to take you seriously when you say you're not a Conservative, and you "criticize both sides."
Anyone who doesn't suck Chinese &*(% is a Nazi ;-)