What or who would qualify as a "satanist" in your opinion? I'm 61 years old, was born and raised catholic, and have known for 4 + decades that I've never believed in any GOD. I have always been attracted to the "dark" aspects of life and death, which is the polar-opposite of my wife and kids. I've always loved horror movies and horror literature, it started when I was 4 or 5 years old with FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND magazine at the barber shop my mom took me to. I've rejected all of the christian beliefs that were shoved down my throat for 20+ years and would now call myself a "satanist" instead of just an atheist. There are 2 basic types of satanists, theistic and non-theistic. I don't believe in anything or anyone. Death is just the end of life, nothing more, nothing less. I do however, love the imagery and philosophy of satanism. Anton Lavey started "the church of satan" in the '60s and wrote the SATANIC BIBLE to state what the "church's" beliefs were, and I agree with most of them. They do however practice "ritual magic", putting curses on people and seeking revenge for being wronged. That's where they lose me. But I love the fact that satanism uses christianity's own images to mock and deride their beliefs. I started getting tattooed about 20 years ago, and my very first one was simply a headstone with the words THE END on it. Since then, I have collected several "anti-christian" or "satanic" tattoos, and I love the reactions that I sometimes get when out in public. People never fuck with me or my wife. When we go to the store, I always push the shopping-cart, and my wife gets behind me and we just go. People always move out of the way, my wife calls it "parting the red sea", it's pretty funny. Anyway, I was just wondering what your definition of a "satanist" would be. Real "theistic" satanism is pretty rare, and I don't fit that mold anyway. I just like to live this way because people leave my family and I alone, and I'm okay with death. We ALL will die one day, and I'm not afraid of it, I will welcome it.
Quote from: bob nelson on December 27, 2020, 07:00:43 PMWhat or who would qualify as a "satanist" in your opinion?
The biggest group is probably the LeVeyan Satanists (atheists who don't believe that Satan exists and whose philosophy is in many ways inverted Christian norms - self-indulgent rather than self-denying, carnal rather than puritanical, etc). For LeVeyan/atheistic Satanists, Satan is a potent symbol, someone who stood up to arbitrary authority and encouraged humans to learn and to improve themselves.
The related Satanic Temple is the one that frequently makes the news because of activism meant to protest Christian theocratic attempts to undermine the secular Republic - for example, attempting to have a statue of Baphomet on government property to challenge the appropriateness of having the Ten Commandments on the same government property.
There may also be theistic Satanists who do literally believe in and venerate Satan, though I have yet to personally come across one.
And finally, there are various Left-Handed occult groups who practice magical rituals and take considerable inspiration from Satan/Satanism and may or may not actually believe that Satan exists.
QuoteI have always been attracted to the "dark" aspects of life and death, which is the polar-opposite of my wife and kids. I've always loved horror movies and horror literature, it started when I was 4 or 5 years old with FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND magazine at the barber shop my mom took me to.
As it should be with a fellow metalhead.
QuoteI've rejected all of the christian beliefs that were shoved down my throat for 20+ years and would now call myself a "satanist" instead of just an atheist. There are 2 basic types of satanists, theistic and non-theistic. I don't believe in anything or anyone. Death is just the end of life, nothing more, nothing less. I do however, love the imagery and philosophy of satanism. Anton Lavey started "the church of satan" in the '60s and wrote the SATANIC BIBLE to state what the "church's" beliefs were, and I agree with most of them. They do however practice "ritual magic", putting curses on people and seeking revenge for being wronged. That's where they lose me.
I don't see why you can't just pick and choose. I doubt they'd object as long as your heart's in the right place.
QuoteWhen we go to the store, I always push the shopping-cart, and my wife gets behind me and we just go. People always move out of the way, my wife calls it "parting the red sea", it's pretty funny.
I have noticed that if I'm on a mock collision course, people are more likely to give way than if I were to politely ask. And if I were to hang back and wait, I'd wait for a very long time. Definitely a few glitches in the human psyche.
QuoteAnyway, I was just wondering what your definition of a "satanist" would be. Real "theistic" satanism is pretty rare, and I don't fit that mold anyway.
Yeah, theistic satanism is vanishingly rare imo.
I suppose part of the appeal is calling on evil spirits while wearing black robes until the group is commanded by the leader to disrobe. It's also fun to freak people out, especially your churchy neighbors like Ned Flanders. Yeah, I can see the appeal.
There is the polemic and there is the theology. Catholic Satanism is upside down Catholicism. Protestant Satanism is Libertinism (upside down puritanism). Most Americans are fallen Protestants, and so are libertines. Protestants view Catholics as goths ;-)
Bat shit crazy is just as bsc in any school of "thought".
Quote from: aitm on December 27, 2020, 09:01:01 PM
Bat shit crazy is just as bsc in any school of "thought".
Patients at the asylum say ...
I have always been a darkling but in a Victorian fashion. Our house is something between the set of a horror flick and a natural history museum. Satan is just alright by me. Satan is just alright, oh yeah. Beware those who have names that may not even be mentioned.
Satan, Jesus, Angels, God, Allah, heaven, hell, Pecos Bill----all are the same. Fictions.
Quote from: Cassia on December 27, 2020, 09:47:30 PM
I have always been a darkling but in a Victorian fashion. Our house is something between the set of a horror flick and a natural history museum. Satan is just alright by me. Satan is just alright, oh yeah. Beware those who have names that may not even be mentioned.
So Halloween is a normal day for you ;-o
Quote from: Baruch on December 27, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
So Halloween is a normal day for you ;-o
Exactly..I remember when my hard-core alcoholic father used to call New Year's Eve "amateur night".
Quote from: Cassia on December 27, 2020, 10:50:45 PM
Exactly..I remember when my hard-core alcoholic father used to call New Year's Eve "amateur night".
My father and your father are one (Holy Father) ... both alcoholics aka Bacchus.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 27, 2020, 07:42:48 PM
The biggest group is probably the LeVeyan Satanists (atheists who don't believe that Satan exists and whose philosophy is in many ways inverted Christian norms - self-indulgent rather than self-denying, carnal rather than puritanical, etc). For LeVeyan/atheistic Satanists, Satan is a potent symbol, someone who stood up to arbitrary authority and encouraged humans to learn and to improve themselves.
The related Satanic Temple is the one that frequently makes the news because of activism meant to protest Christian theocratic attempts to undermine the secular Republic - for example, attempting to have a statue of Baphomet on government property to challenge the appropriateness of having the Ten Commandments on the same government property.
There may also be theistic Satanists who do literally believe in and venerate Satan, though I have yet to personally come across one.
And finally, there are various Left-Handed occult groups who practice magical rituals and take considerable inspiration from Satan/Satanism and may or may not actually believe that Satan exists.
As it should be with a fellow metalhead.
I don't see why you can't just pick and choose. I doubt they'd object as long as your heart's in the right place.
I have noticed that if I'm on a mock collision course, people are more likely to give way than if I were to politely ask. And if I were to hang back and wait, I'd wait for a very long time. Definitely a few glitches in the human psyche.
Yeah, theistic satanism is vanishingly rare imo.
I'm actually a member of the satanic temple, I love the way they challenged oklahoma city's display of the 10 commandments by bringing their statue of baphomet to the site just to rub their noses in their own hypocrisy.
Quote from: Cassia on December 27, 2020, 09:47:30 PM
I have always been a darkling but in a Victorian fashion. Our house is something between the set of a horror flick and a natural history museum. Satan is just alright by me. Satan is just alright, oh yeah. Beware those who have names that may not even be mentioned.
Fear those that fear him.
Quote from: Baruch on December 27, 2020, 10:05:22 PM
So Halloween is a normal day for you ;-o
HALLOWEEN is my favorite day(night) of the year.
Quote from: bob nelson on December 28, 2020, 09:49:05 PM
I'm actually a member of the satanic temple, I love the way they challenged oklahoma city's display of the 10 commandments by bringing their statue of baphomet to the site just to rub their noses in their own hypocrisy.
No wonder you have trouble with Catholicism.
Quote from: Baruch on December 28, 2020, 10:47:36 PM
No wonder you have trouble with Catholicism.
Not just the catholic church, but all forms of christianity, islam, judaism, hinduism, any religion that tells you to live your life for anyone or anything other than yourself. Fuck all of them.
Quote from: bob nelson on December 29, 2020, 04:29:31 PM
Not just the catholic church, but all forms of christianity, islam, judaism, hinduism, any religion that tells you to live your life for anyone or anything other than yourself. Fuck all of them.
I am sure they feel the same about you ;-) You are very outnumbered and surrounded. Are you sure you aren't being heroically suicidal?
The funny thing about Satanism is the old "the winner writes the history". Remember the War in Heaven? When Satan rebelled? Well, what if he actually won and then rewrote "history" with himself as the God guy?
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on December 29, 2020, 05:56:42 PM
The funny thing about Satanism is the old "the winner writes the history". Remember the War in Heaven? When Satan rebelled? Well, what if he actually won and then rewrote "history" with himself as the God guy?
Satan did win. G-d in Heaven is Satan, and the fallen angels were the good guys. This is clear that total depravity rules. Rejection of total depravity is The Resistance.
Quote from: Baruch on December 29, 2020, 04:38:43 PM
I am sure they feel the same about you ;-) You are very outnumbered and surrounded. Are you sure you aren't being heroically suicidal?
Bring'em all on, I have nothing but contempt for all organized religion. Anyone who is stupid enough and weak enough to believe those fairy tales that they claim are the words of their "god", then let them waste their lives trying to stay on their god's good side. They are all hypocrites and will either rot in the ground or be reduced to a small pile of ash and bone like all of us "heathens".
Quote from: bob nelson on December 30, 2020, 09:10:02 PM
Bring'em all on, I have nothing but contempt for all organized religion. Anyone who is stupid enough and weak enough to believe those fairy tales that they claim are the words of their "god", then let them waste their lives trying to stay on their god's good side. They are all hypocrites and will either rot in the ground or be reduced to a small pile of ash and bone like all of us "heathens".
But why this talk, you sound like the Cowardly Lion ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzlhEsWI2Pw
I bet you are just a big bad buddy tat ;-)
Because I am surrounded by it, and the older I get, the less patience I have with these "sheep". My family and I have learned how to agree to disagree on this subject and we give each other the space we need to live our own lives. I just like to remind those who do believe that there are people like me that don't want to see or hear any of their bullshit. Keep it to yourself, I don't care.
p.s.
I do like kitty cats.
Quote from: bob nelson on December 31, 2020, 04:31:17 PM
Because I am surrounded by it, and the older I get, the less patience I have with these "sheep". My family and I have learned how to agree to disagree on this subject and we give each other the space we need to live our own lives. I just like to remind those who do believe that there are people like me that don't want to see or hear any of their bullshit. Keep it to yourself, I don't care.
p.s.
I do like kitty cats.
Patience, yes, there is less of it as we get older. Hang in there, we will be a Grateful Dead soon enough ;-)
We cat lovers are the natural enemies of the dog lovers here ;-)) Hiss!
Quote from: Baruch on December 31, 2020, 05:13:50 PM
Patience, yes, there is less of it as we get older. Hang in there, we will be a Grateful Dead soon enough ;-)
We cat lovers are the natural enemies of the dog lovers here ;-)) Hiss!
Have had cats my entire life, had 1 dog. Her name was mitzi, just a mutt, but very smart. That's all I have ever needed, 1 dog was enough. Dogs are too high maintenence and too damn expensive. Cats are cool.