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Title: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on December 19, 2020, 10:08:21 AM
There is no crisis. Trump is no threat to democracy in Arizona or America.
That's the headline.  USA Today carried it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-crisis-trump-no-threat-110106147.html

The author says:  "Richard Nixon’s low-level minions were afraid to talk to the Washington Post’s B-team in those early days of the Watergate burglary. Eventually Watergate would shake the pillars of government.

Today the populist president Donald Trump works to invalidate an election he lost, and there is no national anxiety. You do not smell the fear.

The only thing one smells is a faltering president who doesn’t know he's gone rancid on the vine.

Democracy is not on the brink. There is no great threat to the Republic. And but for the hysteria of a few tremulous writers, there is no crisis.

The country is walking calmly to Jan. 20 when it will inaugurate Joe Biden as the 46th president of the United States.

America has once again undergone a stress test and held firm."

I would love to agree, but I'm not sure I do.  But am I being too alarmist in my thoughts?  I know I will rest more comfortably after Jan. 20.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 19, 2020, 10:21:48 AM
Bob Woodward, of Watergate fame, was and remains a CIA agent.  Deep Throat was self admitted to be the Deputy Head of the FBI.  Same Deep State who killed Jack, Bobby and Martin.  Washington Post today is owned by a man who made his money shipping shit from China and selling it on-line.  Follow the money, and the power, and the evil.  Nixon didn't do anything wrong, by the standards of the time.  His big mistake was trusting Henry Kissinger and opening the world to Communist China.

"Let China Sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world" - Napoleon Bonaparte

Best explanation I ever heard for Watergate, is that Richard Nixon had promised CIA George H W Bush the VP slot but gave it to Spiro T Agnew.  Then they stitched up Agnew, but then Nixon chose Gerald Ford, not Bush.  And Ford chose Nelson Rockefeller as his VP.  LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Bush are all connected to Dallas, Nov 22 1963.  Then Nixon said he had taken enough crap from the Deep State, was going to admit what happened to Jack.  That is when Watergate became important.  Spying on the opposite party using criminal means was and remains standard ops.

So it is a crisis if the Dems don't like it, but it isn't if the Reps don't like it (not counting Never Trumpers who are closet Dems)?  Jimmy Carter was a Trilteralist aka partner with David Rockefeller and the opening of the oligarchy to Asia.  So he was acceptable to the Deep State, even more than Ford.  The US voter has been played for many decades, going back to the election of 1800 (sex scandal, Jefferson is misegenating with his slaves).  Why do Dems have so many sex scandals?  MSM going back to newspapers in Jefferson's day, are for low information citizens and to spread official propaganda.

“Knowledge, like air, is vital to life. Like air, no one should be denied it.” â€" V for Vendetta
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Cassia on December 19, 2020, 11:24:56 AM
I think the election supervisors and Governors of both parties held true as well as the courts. Republican legislators caved and will be recorded by history as a bunch of anti-democracy wussies, lol.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 19, 2020, 11:55:07 AM
I am anti-democracy.  I admire Joseph Stalin.  Stalin was not a woos ;-)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on December 19, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
QuoteUSA Today
There is no crisis. Trump is no threat to democracy in Arizona or America.
Today the populist president Donald Trump works to invalidate an election he lost, and there is no national anxiety.
One writer doesn't sense any national anxiety, so all this shit around me must not be real.

QuoteUSA Today
The only thing one smells is a faltering president who doesn’t know he's gone rancid on the vine.
I'd be relieved if the only smell was a faltering president.  Almost half of our congress was behind him, along with half the country.  This is like a train wreck, where some dumb ass official says, "Move along everyone.  There's nothing to see here."

QuoteUSA Today
Democracy is not on the brink. There is no great threat to the Republic. And but for the hysteria of a few tremulous writers, there is no crisis.
Many observers in pre Nazi Germany had the very same opinion, and the tremulous writers ended up in concentration camps.

Quote
USA Today
The country is walking calmly to Jan. 20 when it will inaugurate Joe Biden as the 46th president of the United States.
America has once again undergone a stress test and held firm."
One man's stress test in another man's attempt to overthrow democracy.  Move along people.  Nothing to see here.

Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 19, 2020, 12:06:44 PM
I have no doubt that Trump will be out of the white house come jan 20th.
If that is your definition of a political crisis, then no, no crisis.
But a crisis in democracy and politics runs deeper than that.

If you don't see a problem in the massive backlash to the election results and asskissing-pandering to the current president that followed, and the fact that the 'leader of the free world' has chosen to spread disinformation and places his ego before the wellbeing of his country... And that there are still +70 million Americans that would have rather had him as their leader for four more year... If all of that doesn't register as a threat to democracy in and by itself, you are a fool.
The threat lies not in the immeadate overturning of the democratic system and it's protections put in place. It lies in the poisoning of the well of democracy. The cancer shan't kill you today. But a year from now?
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Hydra009 on December 19, 2020, 12:13:01 PM
That editorial is the news equivalent of almost dying in a car accident and then saying that you only had a few bruises and were never truly in danger.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 19, 2020, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 19, 2020, 12:13:01 PM
That editorial is the news equivalent of almost dying in a car accident and then saying that you only had a few bruises and were never truly in danger.

(https://www.chargrilled.co.nz/t-shirts/prodimages/staticimages/square/k0tisbutascratch_k_White.jpg)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 19, 2020, 12:29:52 PM
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 19, 2020, 12:13:01 PM
That editorial is the news equivalent of almost dying in a car accident and then saying that you only had a few bruises and were never truly in danger.

Slaves of the Dark State, once aroused, have to be calmed down now that the Dark State has reestablished their control.  If you accepted total lies before the election, from the MSM, why not accept total lies after the election?

Wait until Biden demands ... "Bring me a shrubbery!"
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on December 19, 2020, 12:50:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsM0CwqGrBs
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on December 19, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
One writer doesn't sense any national anxiety, so all this shit around me must not be real.
I'd be relieved if the only smell was a faltering president.  Almost half of our congress was behind him, along with half the country.  This is like a train wreck, where some dumb ass official says, "Move along everyone.  There's nothing to see here."
Many observers in pre Nazi Germany had the very same opinion, and the tremulous writers ended up in concentration camps.
One man's stress test in another man's attempt to overthrow democracy.  Move along people.  Nothing to see here.
That's what I think, for the most part.  I read the article and had a momentary pause.  I also think that trump is not the cause of all of this but the symptom.  Therefore, we are, as a country, in a world of hurt! Lots and lots of work to do.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on December 19, 2020, 01:53:39 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 19, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
I also think that trump is not the cause of all of this but the symptom.  Therefore, we are, as a country, in a world of hurt! Lots and lots of work to do.
Yes, it's as if the writer thinks that with Trump gone, everything goes back to normal.  The problem is that "normal" for the last 40 years is a steady decay of democracy.  A healthy democracy doesn't want that kind of normal.  Trump just showed up at an opportune time.  But he does not get a pass.  He took a bad situation and fed it back on itself to advance his own dictatorial power grab, while setting the bar lower for the next anarchist who is offended by the democratic process.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Cassia on December 19, 2020, 02:32:15 PM
Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2020, 01:53:39 PM
Yes, it's as if the writer thinks that with Trump gone, everything goes back to normal.  The problem is that "normal" for the last 40 years is a steady decay of democracy.  A healthy democracy doesn't want that kind of normal.  Trump just showed up at an opportune time.  But he does not get a pass.  He took a bad situation and fed it back on itself to advance his own dictatorial power grab, while setting the bar lower for the next anarchist who is offended by the democratic process.
I agree with that. We have been steadily handing power to our corporations and super rich who use their wealth in every political way possible to gain more. It's kind of a national moral decay, praise cheezus who delivers prosperity!
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on December 19, 2020, 02:40:04 PM
Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2020, 01:53:39 PM
Yes, it's as if the writer thinks that with Trump gone, everything goes back to normal.  The problem is that "normal" for the last 40 years is a steady decay of democracy.  A healthy democracy doesn't want that kind of normal.  Trump just showed up at an opportune time.  But he does not get a pass.  He took a bad situation and fed it back on itself to advance his own dictatorial power grab, while setting the bar lower for the next anarchist who is offended by the democratic process.
The only pass trump deserves is a legal pass into prison! 
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on December 19, 2020, 04:38:52 PM
I agree Mike, but I doubt he or his progeny will ever wear the orange outfit behind bars. I hope I'm wrong about that, though.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 19, 2020, 07:09:26 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on December 19, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
That's what I think, for the most part.  I read the article and had a momentary pause.  I also think that trump is not the cause of all of this but the symptom.  Therefore, we are, as a country, in a world of hurt! Lots and lots of work to do.

We Americans must come together, after China runs out of Falung Gong organs, they need to come and harvest ours ;-)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 19, 2020, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: SGOS on December 19, 2020, 01:53:39 PM
Yes, it's as if the writer thinks that with Trump gone, everything goes back to normal.  The problem is that "normal" for the last 40 years is a steady decay of democracy.  A healthy democracy doesn't want that kind of normal.  Trump just showed up at an opportune time.  But he does not get a pass.  He took a bad situation and fed it back on itself to advance his own dictatorial power grab, while setting the bar lower for the next anarchist who is offended by the democratic process.

Yes, if only LBJ had declared a dictatorship, we could all be welfare mothers by now (well half of us transgender mothers anyway).

Democratic process = whatever DNC wants?  Really?  The "Right" isn't right, and the "Democrats" aren't democratic.  That is fundamental meme technique.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 19, 2020, 07:14:24 PM
Quote from: Cassia on December 19, 2020, 02:32:15 PM
I agree with that. We have been steadily handing power to our corporations and super rich who use their wealth in every political way possible to gain more. It's kind of a national moral decay, praise cheezus who delivers prosperity!

But you and I benefit from that grifting (I worked for government as contractor for 32 years).  How much of your market cornering happened because of biased government intervention in the markets to benefit certain investors?  My mother's assets didn't grow at all, after Fed Reserve declared that getting interest on regular savings was evil.  And savings are still evil.  Spend every dollar you have, get as much credit as possible, and max that out ... or the economy gets it.  Anyone remember that Shrub handed out 7 trillion dollars in credit before he left office, and Obama handed out another 7 trillion dollars in credit as soon as he entered office.  That is why there are so many billionaires now, because the average Joe didn't get a bite of that.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 19, 2020, 07:15:07 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 19, 2020, 04:38:52 PM
I agree Mike, but I doubt he or his progeny will ever wear the orange outfit behind bars. I hope I'm wrong about that, though.

Did LBJ pay, unless Hell exists?  Come on, evil is bipartisan!
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 20, 2020, 10:19:10 AM
Joe and Don cross paths out on the hard streets of America ...accompanied by opposing political activists ...

Joe: How is the purge going?
Don: Pretty good, the Dem registrations are pretty accurate after all
Joe: Same here, pretty easy to find the Rep addresses, just find the mansions

"Biden Seeks Talks With Venezuela's Maduro While Juan Guaido Shut Out" ... Obama loved him some Maduro.  So no surprise with Biden.  We want to be allied to Venezuela same as Iran, China, Russia.

"Facebook, Twitter Revert To Pre-Election News Feed Algos After Their Preferred Candidate Wins Election" ... propaganda all the way down

"Georgia Poll Workers Who Raised Election Concerns Terminated" ... surprise, surprise - Gomer
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
"IF I AM A PROUD MAN, THEN, AS LONG AS THERE IS ONE MAN IN THE WHOLE WORLD MORE POWERFUL, OR RICHER, OR CLEVERER THAN I, HE IS MY RIVAL AND MY ENEMY. HOW IS IT THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE QUITE OBVIOUSLY EATEN UP WITH PRIDE CAN SAY THEY BELIEVE IN GOD AND APPEAR TO THEMSELVES VERY RELIGIOUS? THEY THEORETICALLY ADMIT THEMSELVES TO BE NOTHING IN THE PRESENCE OF THIS PHANTOM GOD, BUT ARE REALLY ALL THE TIME IMAGINING HOW HE APPROVES OF THEM AND THINKS THEM FAR BETTER THAN ORDINARY PEOPLE." - C S LEWIS

Intelligencia = fools who think they know something
Leadership = megalomaniacs who think they should micromanage other people

The above C S Lewis quote shows that atheists take the position of the proud religious man one further step into arrogance ;-)  They think they are far better than ordinary people, because it is their nature ;-))

2020 keeps giving, volcanic eruption!  Can Biden save us?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL8-GnHQnOA

"$15BN For Airlines, Corporate Meal Tax Breaks And Other Pork: What's Inside The $900BN Stimulus Bill, why I hate Republicans, and the Democrat Decepticons.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: fencerider on December 21, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5-jhDBV2w
Carlin on Reagan goons getting locked up

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KLODGhEyLvk
Carlin on US being owned by Wall St

Deuce and a half Trump still has 4 weeks to screw things up. You think you seen crazy??? honey you aint seen nothing yet.

74 million people voted for the Orange Man. I think we got some big issues to deal with. ... maybe we need a civil war.... or maybe we need to put prozac in the water supplyðŸ¤"
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2020, 04:51:31 PM
Carlin condemned Americans for being stupid.  He was correct, it is bipartisan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvxt1svxso
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on December 21, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: fencerider on December 21, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y5-jhDBV2w
Carlin on Reagan goons getting locked up

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KLODGhEyLvk
Carlin on US being owned by Wall St

Deuce and a half Trump still has 4 weeks to screw things up. You think you seen crazy??? honey you aint seen nothing yet.

74 million people voted for the Orange Man. I think we got some big issues to deal with. ... maybe we need a civil war.... or maybe we need to put prozac in the water supplyðŸ¤"

That's why God made lithium...
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on December 22, 2020, 07:02:13 AM
A little over 3 years ago, Nazis murdered a woman in  Charlottesville. We, as a nation, just kinda shrugged and said that was par for the course.

How much have we progressed as a country since then, really? This year half the nation said they had no opinion on that, and another quarter said they supported the man who instigated that violence.


If that isn't a crisis, I don't know what is.
Fuck Joe Biden's, "Let's come together and heal.".

I don't want to heal with fucking Nazis.I want to see them hung.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 22, 2020, 11:20:35 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on December 22, 2020, 07:02:13 AM
A little over 3 years ago, Nazis murdered a woman in  Charlottesville. We, as a nation, just kinda shrugged and said that was par for the course.

How much have we progressed as a country since then, really? This year half the nation said they had no opinion on that, and another quarter said they supported the man who instigated that violence.


If that isn't a crisis, I don't know what is.
Fuck Joe Biden's, "Let's come together and heal.".

I don't want to heal with fucking Nazis.I want to see them hung.

And Richard Spencer, current head of American Nazis, supported and voted for Biden.  Wonder why?  So when are you killing the Democrats for being Nazis?  Would be poetic justice if their own Black Shirts, say BLM, lynched the Democrats ;-)  It is a fantasy, that LBJ sprinkled fairy dust on the Dems and turned them all into liberals.  Congratulations, you just elected Goldman-Sachs yet again!

Like Mike CL, you see Nazis under your bed.  Put down the weed, man!  I can vouch for all the commies under my bed ;-)  If they support Stalin.

That poor woman, was overweight, and died of a heart attack, just as George Floyd died from a drug overdose (he swallowed his stash of fentanyl when the cops approached him for trying to pass a counterfeit $20).  She was never hit by the car, though the driver should have gotten a ticket for reckless driving, not for wearing a bed sheet, which he wasn't BTW.  Both cases being "bad behavior is injurious".
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on December 22, 2020, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on December 22, 2020, 07:02:13 AM
A little over 3 years ago, Nazis murdered a woman in  Charlottesville. We, as a nation, just kinda shrugged and said that was par for the course.

How much have we progressed as a country since then, really? This year half the nation said they had no opinion on that, and another quarter said they supported the man who instigated that violence.


If that isn't a crisis, I don't know what is.
Fuck Joe Biden's, "Let's come together and heal.".

I don't want to heal with fucking Nazis.I want to see them hung.

We ain't seen nothin' yet. Just wait - I saw a vid yesterday in which a Promise Keeper was talking about and urging others to "disrupt the inauguration." I think they're planning another "million MAGA March." Or who knows what else is in the works?
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 24, 2020, 05:54:55 PM
"CNN: Amend Constitution To Prevent Trump Or Anyone Like Him Having Power Again" ... don't let Whites vote again?  How about we terminate every MSM contract and every Hollywood contract?  Never let a liberal broadcast etc again.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 28, 2020, 01:11:07 PM
"Railroads Slashed Jobs In Nov To Lowest In Decades... As Stocks Soared To Record Highs" .. all part of the New World Order.  Nuke the people, keep the resources, inflate the prices.  So what were you doing when the "army of the unemployed" happened?
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 29, 2020, 06:19:48 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on December 22, 2020, 07:02:13 AM
A little over 3 years ago, Nazis murdered a woman in  Charlottesville. We, as a nation, just kinda shrugged and said that was par for the course.

How much have we progressed as a country since then, really? This year half the nation said they had no opinion on that, and another quarter said they supported the man who instigated that violence.


If that isn't a crisis, I don't know what is.
Fuck Joe Biden's, "Let's come together and heal.".

I don't want to heal with fucking Nazis.I want to see them hung.

hanged

They'd like being hung.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on December 29, 2020, 07:22:59 AM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 29, 2020, 06:19:48 AM
hanged

They'd like being hung.
Oh, God!  Now, I can't get this image out of my head.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 29, 2020, 07:30:09 AM
Guys, I have to inform you that American headlines increasingly started to look like ours.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 29, 2020, 07:46:59 AM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on December 29, 2020, 07:30:09 AM
Guys, I have to inform you that American headlines increasingly started to look like ours.

ErdoÄŸan Harika ... ??

"China blames Trump and the US political system for COVID failures" ... China does nothing wrong, the Han Master Race!
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 29, 2020, 08:27:00 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 29, 2020, 07:46:59 AM
ErdoÄŸan Harika ... ??

"China blames Trump and the US political system for COVID failures" ... China does nothing wrong, the Han Master Race!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/fwTF1RINqACGdCKtVB/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 29, 2020, 09:03:33 AM
Every liberal is Blackadder ;-)  Working thru centuries of sociopathy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQviZPyeXk

Bin Laden was a CIA asset, this guy ran him in the 1990s from Langley.  So you trust the CIA/FBI?
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 30, 2020, 11:51:11 PM
"Homeless Antifa Group Occupies Tacoma Motel" .. how come all homeless folks are now honorary AntiFa ... those folks are spoiled college kids

"Viral Video Shows NYC Bike Thugs Attacking BMW In Manhattan" ... burn down NYC ... still not done



Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 31, 2020, 01:04:41 AM
Quote from: SGOS on December 29, 2020, 07:22:59 AM
Oh, God!  Now, I can't get this image out of my head.

Believe me America, it's gonna be yuge.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2020, 01:07:27 AM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 31, 2020, 01:04:41 AM
Believe me America, it's gonna be yuge.

You probably loved Bill Clinton ;-)

"EU & China Sign Alliance Against The West" .. when the US nukes y'all in the coming war, remember who you chose to ally with.  The atom bomb was originally a special present for the Germans.

"Joe Biden calls Kamala Harris ‘president-elect’" .. on video.  People who voted for anyone are idiots, those who voted for Biden are idiotic idiots.

Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 31, 2020, 01:22:51 AM
Quote from: Baruch on December 31, 2020, 01:07:27 AM
You probably loved Bill Clinton ;-)

That was at an age when all I knew about the American president was a Simpsons spoof.
I was too young for Clinton.

Unlike Monica Lewinsky, apparently.

No seriously, abusing your power and station like  that is abhorrent.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2020, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 31, 2020, 01:22:51 AM


That was at an age when all I knew about the American president was a Simpsons spoof.
I was too young for Clinton.

Unlike Monica Lewinsky, apparently.

No seriously, abusing your power and station like  that is abhorrent.

So, you are not among the political damned?  Better hide of Chancellor Merkel/President Macron will find you and ... reeducate you ;-)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2020, 01:04:06 PM
"ROVING GANGS SMASH MEDICAL SUV IN NYC, RATS EAT PIGEONS, SQUIRRELS BITING PEOPLE, NYC IS A WASTELA.." .. squirrels biting people?  Rabies!

"TRUMP DEFENDS SANDERS, LEFT AND RIGHT POPULISTS UNITE AGAINST CRONY ELITES TO GET $2K STIMULUS DON.." ... Sanders support separate $2000 Covid check bill.  Psyops ... both men are controlled opposition.

"MCCONNELL SUBMITS COVID STIMULUS REVISION THAT WOULD REPEAL SECTION 230" ... bwahah.  If Section 230 is repealed, I can sue any of you for hurting my feeeeelings.  You can sue me for hurting your feeeeelings.
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“Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority; still more when you superadd the tendency of the certainty of corruption by authority.” - Lord Acton ... wisdom from a person who never had a smart phone and lived in the horrible, horrible 19th century.

“Despotic power is always accompanied by corruption of morality.” - Lord Acton ... see Bill, Hillary, Donald, Joe

“Everybody likes to get as much power as circumstances allow, and nobody will vote for a self-denying ordinance.” - Lord Acton aka "Never waste a crisis" - Rahm Emanuel.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." - Benjamin Franklin, noted serial killer
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 01, 2021, 12:35:47 PM
"2020's Bio-Economic World War: Communist China Lied; Millions Of Humans Died" ... depending on how you count the cause of death.  WW III is started, but not done.

"The 2020 Worldwide Corona Crisis: Destroying Civil Society, Engineered Economic Depression, Global Coup d’État and the “Great Reset”" ... enjoy your slavery, plebs.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 02, 2021, 04:10:32 PM
"Severed Pig's Head Left On Nancy Pelosi's Driveway As Vandals Tag Garage; McConnell Hit Too" .. usually with Mafia, it is horse's head

"Facebook Shuts Down Page For GOP Senate Campaigns Just Before Georgia Runoffs" ... Zuckerborg isn't CIA, he is a life like sex doll

"Proposed House Rules Seek To Erase Gendered-Terms Such As 'Father', 'Mother', 'Son', & 'Daughter'" ... Pelosi has started Trans-dictatorship
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"CONSERVATIVES STOMP ON THIN BLUE LINE FLAG AS POLICE VIOLATE CONSTITUTION, COPS LOSING ALL SUPPORT" ... Cops were invented in the 19th century in London, to protect the 1%  ... On related news, Portland mayor finally called out Anti-Fa .. probably because they burned down the Starbucks ;-))
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 03, 2021, 11:22:49 AM
"Remember When The Democrats Challenged The Electoral Vote Count In 3 Elections Over 20 Years?" ... "What do 2001, 2005, and 2017 have in common?  We inaugurated three GOP presidents, and Democrats challenged their electoral vote each time..." ... good for me, bad for thee
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 04, 2021, 09:20:44 AM
"Pelosi Secures 4th Term As Speaker, Democrats Break Quarantine To Vote" .. The Mummy approves, and Dems not arrested by cops for not wearing masks?  Some pigs are more equal than others.
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"Over 432,000 Votes Removed From Trump In Pennsylvania, Data Scientists Say" ... but this isn't the fraud you are looking for (Jedi mind trick)

"Congress Approves Rules Regulating Jan. 6 Electoral Vote Count" .. if a coup is in progress, by either party, I don't think any rules will make any difference.  Washington DC says, no gun carrying.  But if 100,000 Trumpies bring their guns, who will stop them?  I would not go to the rally, would not carry openly or concealed even if I had a license for that.  I am allergic to a repeat of the 1968 Chicago Dem convention riots.

Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 06, 2021, 04:43:48 PM
"Kamala ROASTED By Basically Everyone Over Ridiculous Story About Her Protesting As A Toddler" ... Kamala is a toddler, and will replace Biden soon.  How about a nuclear football in her hands?  Don't worry, peacenik John Bolton will advise her ;-)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 06, 2021, 04:53:50 PM
This is a personal crisis. T.rump doesn't know how to fail so badly.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 06, 2021, 06:37:25 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 06, 2021, 04:53:50 PM
This is a personal crisis. T.rump doesn't know how to fail so badly.

And you and I do?  Have you ever been head of a country, totally corrupt, with everyone on the CCP payroll?  Trump shows amazing ability to not want to be murdered by the Chinese and their useful idiots.

In actual life, not LARP-life ... I have too much humility to think I have authorization from Karl Marx's ghost, to behave so badly as Americans do everyday.

"That "pro-trump" supporter has a hammer&sickle tattoo. That's a new twist for patriots." .. the more violent element ... are they BLM, Russia, China, Democrats, Soros, MI6, Never-Trumpers etc ... y'all don't know.  Just the courage of your video-game politics.
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Instability of reality defeated the newtonianism of the European Empires in WWI, in the end they weren't fighting each other, they were fighting reality itself.  Same thing happened to the US in Vietnam and to the Soviet Union.  This will also destroy the EU and China and the Great Reset.  This is Greek tragedy .. caused by hubris.   Posted excellent video on the unpredictability of reality in the maths section.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 06, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
Any more news from Operation Beer Hall Putsch II?
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2021, 12:04:45 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 06, 2021, 10:48:14 PM
Any more news from Operation Beer Hall Putsch II?

Please contact Atlanta Communist HQ for recording in words of fearless leader from Soviet Georgia.  He will tell you please ignore invasion by Wehrmacht because Hitler is our Socialist ally and anyone saying different and spreading false news will go to Lubyanka.
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The riot in the Capital building is a setup with disguised FBI and CIA LARPing, but doing a shit job as usual.  Gov Building police are heavily armed, and they could have shut the bullet proof doors a little sooner.  One woman shot by building police, she died.  Call me back when one million have died (that would be a good start).

I would have paid to see the Congress critters grip their triple soy lattes in fake fear.  Crisis actors.  The EC session is the first time in a year they have done any work ;-)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on January 07, 2021, 10:01:37 AM
I will venture to say that the author (Phil Boas) of the idea this country is not in a political crisis is about as wrong as one can get.  If this is not a crisis, then I really don't want to see a real one.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 07, 2021, 10:34:47 AM
It's a crisis, but it's also a test of the system. If the system is stronger than a full-on lunatic we'll be fine. The FBI is planning action against the leader, "Pour encourager les autres."
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2021, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 07, 2021, 10:01:37 AM
I will venture to say that the author (Phil Boas) of the idea this country is not in a political crisis is about as wrong as one can get.  If this is not a crisis, then I really don't want to see a real one.

We were in crisis, 1960-1965, then again 1965-1975, then again 1975-1985.  Remember the assassination attempts on Ford and Reagan?  Young people think it is the "end of the world as we know it" ... if their pumpkin spice latte is too cold.

Yes, the FBI, CIA and Secret Service took care of our problem, Nov 22 1963.  But that didn't stop LBJ from invading Vietnam.

What is the "system"?  Taking bribes from criminals, foreign and domestic.  Ignore that Constitution, it is just for dead White men.  Good thing Obama let out the last Weatherman from prison, so that BLM could have some experienced leadership ;-)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Cassia on January 07, 2021, 12:27:22 PM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 07, 2021, 10:34:47 AM
It's a crisis, but it's also a test of the system. If the system is stronger than a full-on lunatic we'll be fine. The FBI is planning action against the leader, "Pour encourager les autres."
Yes, it is appropriate that French be used here as they were the ones who dispatched Lafayette on the fast frigate "La Hermione" to inform General Washington a French army and fleet are on their way. Washington is said to have shed a tear of joy. At the Siege of Yorktown (1781) more French gave their lives than did Americans during this final decisive battle. As a Southerner, I am ashamed that the flag of treason and slavery was raised inside our Capitol building yesterday by ignorant people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GPXVV7jjPA

Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2021, 12:49:04 PM
Yes, the French screwed everything up, just like always ;-)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 04:28:44 PM
 Well, it looks like the fucking democrats are going to get away with it, and they have will total control over our lives. Congratulations, you all just got what you wished for. Hope you realize that this isn't like larping, this is real. Kiss your "fweedom"(fuck you kamala) and your money goodbye. You wanted it, now deal with it.
P.S. Mike Pence and all the other "republicans" are cowards and traitors, fuck all of them.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on January 10, 2021, 04:40:23 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 04:28:44 PM
Well, it looks like the fucking democrats are going to get away with it, and they have will total control over our lives. Congratulations, you all just got what you wished for. Hope you realize that this isn't like larping, this is real. Kiss your "fweedom"(fuck you kamala) and your money goodbye. You wanted it, now deal with it.
P.S. Mike Pence and all the other "republicans" are cowards and traitors, fuck all of them.
You are a piece of work, bobby boy.  Why not get your mind off all your pain, go shopping all day--and no, don't let them take your freedom you don't need any fucking mask.  Eat in a sit down, inside restaurant from now on.  Oh, yeah--buy a life sized blowup dummy of your hero, and make sure it has all of anatomical appendages so you can keep giving him blowjobs and keep your nose brown. 
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on January 10, 2021, 04:44:12 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 04:28:44 PM
Well, it looks like the fucking democrats are going to get away with it, and they have will total control over our lives. Congratulations, you all just got what you wished for. Hope you realize that this isn't like larping, this is real. Kiss your "fweedom"(fuck you kamala) and your money goodbye. You wanted it, now deal with it.
P.S. Mike Pence and all the other "republicans" are cowards and traitors, fuck all of them.

Yep, we are going back to the dictatorship like we suffered under during Obama.

Horrible times, horrible times...
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 10, 2021, 05:13:31 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 04:28:44 PM
Well, it looks like the fucking democrats are going to get away with it, and they have will total control over our lives. Congratulations, you all just got what you wished for. Hope you realize that this isn't like larping, this is real. Kiss your "fweedom"(fuck you kamala) and your money goodbye. You wanted it, now deal with it.
P.S. Mike Pence and all the other "republicans" are cowards and traitors, fuck all of them.

I know, right? Who would have thought a coup attempt is not like larping? The Constitution, the law... all that shit is real. They even shoot white people dead. What's the world coming to?

Especially that poor chick... "We are storming the Capitol, it is a revolution!" Can you believe she got maced for that? I was in tears. Why?

Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Blackleaf on January 10, 2021, 05:27:01 PM
Cowards and traitors for respecting the democratic process rather than overturn the election results because of baseless rumors of fraud, after courts at every level threw out Trump's case due to a complete lack of evidence. Sure, buddy.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on January 10, 2021, 05:43:45 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 04:28:44 PM
Well, it looks like the fucking democrats are going to get away with it, and they have will total control over our lives. Congratulations, you all just got what you wished for. Hope you realize that this isn't like larping, this is real. Kiss your "fweedom"(fuck you kamala) and your money goodbye. You wanted it, now deal with it.
P.S. Mike Pence and all the other "republicans" are cowards and traitors, fuck all of them.
Yeah, it sucks to lose an election.  I've been there and done that, but I don't usually go berserk when it happens.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on January 10, 2021, 05:54:08 PM
The Independent
Trump was more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent attacks, reports say

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-more-upset-capitol-mob-161414849.html

As a mob of his supporters stormed the US Capitol on Wednesday, Donald Trump was reportedly unconcerned about the destruction or insurrection taking place but instead how the violent extremists appeared “low-class”.

What his followers don't understand or want to understand, is that he has despised them from before 2016.  He simply understood just how deeply racist much of the people of this country is and tapped into that.  That does not mean he likes them or respects them or is willing to do much for them as a group.  But his cult followers simply love to hate that much.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on January 10, 2021, 06:21:34 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 10, 2021, 05:54:08 PM
The Independent
Trump was more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent attacks, reports say
Some people don't realize that insurrections are usually black tie events in Washington DC.  In the sticks, it's come as you are.   
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 10, 2021, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 10, 2021, 05:54:08 PM
Trump was more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent attacks, reports say ...

Holy brother cockwrappers. I wonder if it was those guys with bare chests, horns...etc?

https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1347358837926481920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: GSOgymrat on January 10, 2021, 07:32:58 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 10, 2021, 05:54:08 PM
Trump was more upset that Capitol mob looked ‘low class’ than about violent attacks, reports say

I LOVE THAT! 😆 Honestly, he is such complete dick.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: aitm on January 10, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 04:28:44 PM
Well, it looks like the fucking democrats are going to get away with it, and they have will total control over our lives. Congratulations, you all just got what you wished for. Hope you realize that this isn't like larping, this is real. Kiss your "fweedom"(fuck you kamala) and your money goodbye. You wanted it, now deal with it.
P.S. Mike Pence and all the other "republicans" are cowards and traitors, fuck all of them.
Poor baby, life as you know it, is over. Do you have a garage and a car? Painless they tell me.....
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: GSOgymrat on January 10, 2021, 07:51:58 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 04:28:44 PM
Well, it looks like the fucking democrats are going to get away with it, and they have will total control over our lives. Congratulations, you all just got what you wished for. Hope you realize that this isn't like larping, this is real. Kiss your "fweedom"(fuck you kamala) and your money goodbye. You wanted it, now deal with it.
P.S. Mike Pence and all the other "republicans" are cowards and traitors, fuck all of them.

What do anticipate is going to happen? I'm less convinced the government is going to take "total control of our lives" than they are too incompetent and conflicted to get anything accomplished.

Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 08:21:47 PM
Within a years time your taxes will go up, the price of gas will go up $1.00+ per gallon, America will have open borders, and illegal immigrants will have the right to vote and be living on Welfares dime. Hey AITM, doesn't telling someone to go kill themself cross the line, especially for someone who is on "staff", whatever the fuck that means. You liberal clowns got what you wished for, you had to cheat, but you still got it. I hope you're happy with your new RELIGION. Kinda ironic isn't it, since this is supposed to be a forum for atheists. Religion and politics don't mix, unless your religion is politics.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on January 10, 2021, 08:31:52 PM
I'm getting tired of hearing right-wingers spewing Russian propaganda. It's the result of a sophisticated psy-ops campaign that's been the most successful in history.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on January 10, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 08:21:47 PM
Within a years time your taxes will go up, the price of gas will go up $1.00+ per gallon, America will have open borders, and illegal immigrants will have the right to vote and be living on Welfares dime. Hey AITM, doesn't telling someone to go kill themself cross the line, especially for someone who is on "staff", whatever the fuck that means. You liberal clowns got what you wished for, you had to cheat, but you still got it. I hope you're happy with your new RELIGION. Kinda ironic isn't it, since this is supposed to be a forum for atheists. Religion and politics don't mix, unless your religion is politics.
You are too fucking stupid to talk to. 
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Blackleaf on January 10, 2021, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 10, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
You are too fucking stupid to talk to.

I've had him on ignore for months. I suggest you do the same.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: aitm on January 10, 2021, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 08:21:47 PM
Within a years time your taxes will go up, the price of gas will go up $1.00+ per gallon, America will have open borders, and illegal immigrants will have the right to vote and be living on Welfares dime. Hey AITM, doesn't telling someone to go kill themself cross the line, especially for someone who is on "staff", whatever the fuck that means. You liberal clowns got what you wished for, you had to cheat, but you still got it. I hope you're happy with your new RELIGION. Kinda ironic isn't it, since this is supposed to be a forum for atheists. Religion and politics don't mix, unless your religion is politics.
I didn't tell you to go kill yourself. Due to your misery and obviously being easily manipulated by fake news you simply saw it as the best option
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on January 10, 2021, 10:05:46 PM
More Russian propaganda spewed by those willing to believe what they want to believe.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on January 10, 2021, 11:26:37 PM
QuoteWithin a years time your taxes will go up, the price of gas will go up $1.00+ per gallon, America will have open borders, and illegal immigrants will have the right to vote and be living on Welfares dime.

You willing to put money on that?
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Hydra009 on January 10, 2021, 11:43:26 PM
We're all probably going to have mandatory gay marriage, too.  Dibs on Paul Rudd.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Hydra009 on January 10, 2021, 11:46:21 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 10, 2021, 04:28:44 PMWell, it looks like the fucking democrats are going to get away with it
Get away with being fairly elected by a pretty significant margin?  As opposed to what, crying like a loser for weeks and then trying to "find the votes" and then trying to stage a coup?  Who's getting away with what here?

QuoteP.S. Mike Pence and all the other "republicans" are cowards and traitors, fuck all of them.
I mean, you're half right...

Edit - What could Pence do that would make him okay in your eyes?  I'm legitimately curious.  I promise, I won't argue with your answer or make fun of you for it.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 01:00:18 AM
Let's be honest... Republicans voted for a man who eats chain pizza (as a NYC native) with a fucking knife and fork.

Expecting anything from them is a mistake at this point, and to address the topic... forget all the political bullshit, just the fact that a man as previously detailed above runs the United States should qualify at the very least as a cultural and moral crisis of the American people.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 11, 2021, 04:02:34 AM
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 10, 2021, 11:46:21 PM
I mean, you're half right...

Quote from: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 01:00:18 AM
Let's be honest... Republicans voted for a man who eats chain pizza (as a NYC native) with a fucking knife and fork.

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 10, 2021, 11:43:26 PM
We're all probably have mandatory gay marriage, too.  Dibs on Paul Rudd.

:rrotflmao: This thread is improving.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on January 11, 2021, 08:07:50 AM
There are two possible outcomes in a coup.  It either works or fails.  In other countries, there are dire consequences in either case.  Here it looks like the losers get a slap on the hand, while jail time is a long shot, because that is how our system works.  What would have happened if the coup had worked?  I'm not asking this in order to sound ominous.  The coup would have destroyed the foundation of the system.  Would the other parts of the constitution remain in tact?

Did Trump have a long term goal?  What were his plans after he decreed himself president?  Or was this just meant to be a constitutional face lift done by a small band of rebels?
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 11, 2021, 11:12:03 AM
Quote from: SGOS on January 11, 2021, 08:07:50 AM
... Here it looks like the losers get a slap on the hand, while jail time is a long shot, because that is how our system works. ...

Interestingly enough, all that's probably the reason why the word 'larping' was started to be used too often by the far right. I just registered, it's not a coincidence he used that word up there. I have seen that more than several times before...that word used in this context from the same point of view?

These people are the champions of projection, exactly because of that. Between all that hard compartmentalization; senseless brainwashing and heat applied...it surfaces itself, because there is no way out; no change. Because there is no actual connection of any of that bullshit they're being fed to their real life. Nothing changes in their life. For other groups there have been many changes good or bad... good, forward...what has changed for the white right wingers and the religious in the last 50 years or more since the USA has become America?

Their leaders do not care about any of the consequences, because none of them would get affected in any case, so that's actually how they see themselves too. The delusion. There is a republican senator profile, isn't there? Is my impression wrong? Are Democrats that homogenic in this context? They are probably far more diverse. So yeah, that's the entitlement and where the larping comes from. Also the underestimation at their part.

However, if he has a long term plan, a lot of things should already be at stake right now, otherwise it is a crazy conspiracy fantasy. Because there must be a trail by now. It's not like they can kill Kennedy and ML King together twice. So if there is a big picture -lol I know- beyond all this, it can't be limited by a domestic scale. I don't mean a foriegn interference, the opposite. A paradigm shift in the US policies regarding the world. And all I can think is 'land and alternative energy sources'...nothing mysterious. What will happen to republican core and their voters when the life style dramatically changes in the next decades? Because it will.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on January 11, 2021, 01:09:36 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 11, 2021, 11:12:03 AM
There is a republican senator profile, isn't there? Is my impression wrong? Are Democrats that homogenic in this context? They are probably far more diverse. So yeah, that's the entitlement and where the larping comes from. Also the underestimation at their part.
Republican representatives are a very tight knit group.  They vote as a block.  Democrats usually do too but not nearly as tight, because they represent a much more diverse group.  Republicans serve a large block with very singular interests, which is why it is easy for them to fall in line, and why they can deliver so much more to their constituents.  Democrats are in a position of trying to herd cats.  I think Democrats actually represent a much larger group, but such a diverse group that they are afraid that whatever they do will anger some of the cats. As a result, their accomplishments are rather feeble, whether it be environmental protection, healthcare, or mobilizing a highly effective response to a pandemic.

Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on January 11, 2021, 01:15:28 PM
The new administration might even legalize pot! Run for the hills!

🤪
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 02:59:56 PM
Quote from: SGOS on January 11, 2021, 01:09:36 PM
Republican representatives are a very tight knit group.  They vote as a block.  Democrats usually do too but not nearly as tight, because they represent a much more diverse group.  Republicans serve a large block with very singular interests, which is why it is easy for them to fall in line, and why they can deliver so much more to their constituents.  Democrats are in a position of trying to herd cats.  I think Democrats actually represent a much larger group, but such a diverse group that they are afraid that whatever they do will anger some of the cats. As a result, their accomplishments are rather feeble, whether it be environmental protection, healthcare, or mobilizing a highly effective response to a pandemic.

Saw a friend on Facebook talking about how Democrats demonize everybody, even other Democrats because they're so easily offended! I was like, first of all, Republicans literally say that Democrats serve the devil. You don't get more demonizing than that. And yeah. Republicans are much more united in their goals. They want to ban abortion, increase military support, support "religious freedoms," etc. Democrats serve a lot of different groups with different priorities. Some might focus on climate change, others on LGBTQ+ rights, or gun controls. We don't all agree with each other, nor do we have our priorities in the same order. What might be seen as a necessary step to one might be seen as too extreme by another. That's how we get a milquetoast Democrat like Biden elected, because he's the least threatening and doesn't have a particular strong stance on anything.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:33:48 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on January 10, 2021, 11:26:37 PM
You willing to put money on that?
Sure, but it will be your money, not mine.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 10, 2021, 08:31:52 PM
I'm getting tired of hearing right-wingers spewing Russian propaganda. It's the result of a sophisticated psy-ops campaign that's been the most successful in history.
RUSSIA,RUSSIA RUSSIA!
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 11, 2021, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:34:55 PM
RUSSIA,RUSSIA RUSSIA!
Quote from: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:33:48 PM
Sure, but it will be your money, not mine.

It's nothing of/on you. You are the retarded kid.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 10, 2021, 08:37:57 PM
You are too fucking stupid to talk to.
Who's the retarded "libtard" spewing on this forum? It's not me, I didn't start this thread, someone else did. I don't come onto this ATHEIST website to talk politics, but when I saw the thread about the lack of a REAL political crisis with question marks and exclamation points, I just had to check it out. You have made being liberal into a religion. How else would you explain the instant hatred for anyone that thinks differently than you? It becomes personal and it stays that way. Apparently you haven't been listening to your own "heros" on the left, people like BLM and antifa(fucking retards), they want to erase our history and give everything away for free. Well, that only works until you run out of other people's money. Then what? There are no honest politicans any where in this country, they are all cowards and/or traitors. This country is NOT going to get better, just listen to what the communists are saying. I hope you are a gun owner, because you just might have to use it in "your" future. I'm done with politics, I have too many other issues to deal with, so I'll leave you fucking retards(remember,you made it personal first) to bask in the glow of the most corrupt election in U.S. history. You got what you wished for, now you have to live with it.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:59:55 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 10, 2021, 08:53:24 PM
I've had him on ignore for months. I suggest you do the same.
Says the clown with a cartoon for an avatar. Grow up and ask your mom for your balls back.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on January 11, 2021, 04:10:04 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:57:55 PM
so I'll leave
Don't let the door hit you in the hea......err, butt on the way out.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: aitm on January 11, 2021, 04:27:30 PM
“Erase our history” i.e.....tell the real history instead of the one where the white man saves all the other flavors from themselves.....sure.....sure
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 04:34:00 PM
Quote...so I'll leave...

Aight, catch you later homie.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 04:57:06 PM
Quote from: aitm on January 10, 2021, 08:56:09 PM

I didn't tell you to go kill yourself. Due to your misery and obviously being easily manipulated by fake news you simply saw it as the best option
Well what else would those words mean then? Why does it instantly get personal with you "libtards?" How's the view from your moral high ground, getting dizzy yet? I'd like to know(not really), how do you become a STAFF MEMBER on an atheist's forum when you're dumb enough to hear the words that tell you what their intentions are, but not understand their meanings? Making everything personal and not letting ANY ideas that don't match up with yours go un-challenged is the reason that threads like this, or anything else political just drives people away from this forum. You recently banned some guy named BARUCH if I remember correctly. I went back and read some of his last posts. He was a little unhinged in his last few responses. But in my opinion, and looking at it from a conservative point of view, a lot of your responses are as unhinged and hateful as his were.  I guess that what I've heard about most atheists being democrats /liberals is true.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 05:01:26 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 04:57:06 PM
Well what else would those words mean then? Why does it instantly get personal with you "libtards?" How's the view from your moral high ground, getting dizzy yet? I'd like to know(not really), how do you become a STAFF MEMBER on an atheist's forum when you're dumb enough to hear the words that tell you what their intentions are, but not understand their meanings? Making everything personal and not letting ANY ideas that don't match up with yours go un-challenged is the reason that threads like this, or anything else political just drives people away from this forum. You recently banned some guy named BARUCH if I remember correctly. I went back and read some of his last posts. He was a little unhinged in his last few responses. But in my opinion, and looking at it from a conservative point of view, a lot of your responses are as unhinged and hateful as his were.  I guess that what I've heard about most atheists being democrats /liberals is true.
Bye.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 05:18:11 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:59:55 PM
Says the clown with a cartoon for an avatar. Grow up and ask your mom for your balls back.

There he goes again. The avatar is the main source of credibility? And you call me the clown? lol
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 05:21:56 PM
Quote from: bob nelson on January 11, 2021, 03:57:55 PM
I don't come onto this ATHEIST website to talk politics,

Then why did you? There are plenty of other sub forums with different topics to discuss, and yet you chose to limit yourself to politics. If you'd rather discuss topics you're actually knowledgeable of, or are less controversial so as to avoid having your fragile ego offended, feel free.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 05:28:31 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 05:21:56 PM
Then why did you? There are plenty of other sub forums with different topics to discuss, and yet you chose to limit yourself to politics. If you'd rather discuss topics you're actually knowledgeable of, or are less controversial so as to avoid having your fragile ego offended, feel free.

He unfortunately won't be able to respond, after saying he was leaving and yet sticking around just to continue and flame I figured that was a good point to nip that one in the bud.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 05:44:51 PM
Ah. I mean, really. How's he gonna act like we're the ones making things personal, when he dismisses people based on their fucking avatars? I remember I mocked him for this, saying that I didn't know how seriously to take him, since he didn't have an avatar to judge him on. That joke just went right over his head, and he took that comment completely seriously. lol
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on January 11, 2021, 05:45:20 PM
That chew toy had a foul taste anyway.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 05:49:19 PM
To be fair, I'm not entirely sure if he was saying that he was leaving the forum. His wording was pretty vague there.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on January 11, 2021, 06:32:38 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 05:49:19 PM
To be fair, I'm not entirely sure if he was saying that he was leaving the forum. His wording was pretty vague there.
Yeah, he meant he was leaving the forum. :)
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Cassia on January 11, 2021, 06:40:15 PM
I do sense a strengthening of unity amongst liberal minded people everywhere. Nothing like a death star to do that. Only if we can get them to give up on sky-daddy.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on January 11, 2021, 07:34:08 PM
Just heard about a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel at the Capitol who was identified by his ex-wife. I guess he should have payed her more alimony...
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 07:41:58 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 11, 2021, 06:32:38 PM
Yeah, he meant he was leaving the forum. :)

I don't know... Weren't we just saying how we DIDN'T want to build an echo chamber?
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 08:35:03 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 07:41:58 PM
I don't know... Weren't we just saying how we DIDN'T want to build an echo chamber?

If yall legitimately believe he had even the remotest intention of actually debating anything instead of just flaming then I will bump it down to a suspension rather than a ban and give him a second chance.Edit: I have modified it to be a suspension since I didn't offer any warning. However any future violations will be a full ban.I didn't take action because of the political position of what he said, otherwise there would be several other posters I would have gotten rid of a long while ago, but rather because he did clearly violate our 5th rule multiple times.


And I don't believe posters like him would prevent this forum from becoming an echo chamber since he seemed to lack an actual position, just anger and insults.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 08:41:16 PM
I also love that I cant get the sentences to have spaces between them. Please ignore the paragraph that is way too long lol.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: aitm on January 11, 2021, 09:27:46 PM
I find it amusing that people fond of calling other people snowflakes become a regular snowfall of flakes whining about how other people are snow flakes.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Hydra009 on January 11, 2021, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 08:35:03 PMIf yall legitimately believe he had even the remotest intention of actually debating anything instead of just flaming then I will bump it down to a suspension rather than a ban and give him a second chance.
I did ask him a rather open-ended question about Pence and he seems to have ignored that in favor of going on a flame spree and then ragequitting.  And for someone who doesn't like discussing politics, he sure seems to wander into the politics section a lot.  This is far from the first time he's been told to stay out of the kitchen if he can't take the heat.  So the prognosis isn't good, but I suppose it's best to find out for sure.

I do find the assertion funny that we're creating an echo chamber when:
A) there's lots of disagreement about tons of stuff, but it's usually minor things and it's usually pretty cordial (I dunno if I really consider it a loss that needs to be remedied if everyone here is pro-democracy lol)
B) the people out there who subscribe to fringe ideologies - and this stuff truly is fringe if you think about it - and the ability to participate in a discussion as an adult seem to be mutually-opposed.  Not just here, but there seems to be a flight to various fringe-friendly platforms where they can strut their stuff unbothered by reality.  So it's little wonder the conversation gets one-sided.  Add the typical dispositions of a community of atheists, and well...
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on January 11, 2021, 10:51:34 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 11, 2021, 07:41:58 PM
I don't know... Weren't we just saying how we DIDN'T want to build an echo chamber?
Did you read anything the guy wrote that lead you to believe he wanted to do anything but bash people and to enrage them.  He did not seem to have even an iota of an idea to communicate--simply bash.  There wasn't enough depth there to have an echo chamber.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: drunkenshoe on January 12, 2021, 01:57:20 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 08:35:03 PM
If yall legitimately believe he had even the remotest intention of actually debating anything instead of just flaming ...

No.


QuoteAnd I don't believe posters like him would prevent this forum from becoming an echo chamber since he seemed to lack an actual position, just anger and insults.

Yes.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: SGOS on January 12, 2021, 08:40:18 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on January 11, 2021, 08:35:03 PM
And I don't believe posters like him would prevent this forum from becoming an echo chamber since he seemed to lack an actual position, just anger and insults.
But then instead of an echo chamber, we would have a chamber of anger and insults.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Mike Cl on January 12, 2021, 08:55:51 AM
I hate it that my society keeps rubbing my nose in the fact that I was very naive about things of race in this country.  Oh, I was aware of racism (I was introduced to it in the separate-but-equal era in Alabama) in my country.  I simply did not realize just how deep it ran, and how it figured into almost every aspect of our society.  Now we are faced with an armed and organized insurrection, led and inspired by our president and his toadies.  More of our military and police forces are in support of that insurrection than I had realized.  The capitol invasion proved that.  I am deeply afraid that there will be major bloodshed in the next week.  I am beginning to regret not having at least a couple of pistols on hand.  I am lucky enough that I have lived a good life--nothing can take that away.  But I fear for my children and grandchildren.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on January 13, 2021, 08:18:31 PM
I never talk religion or politics out here in meatspace, only on line. Not a lot of Trumpanistas in my area, but better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Not a political crisis?????
Post by: Unbeliever on January 13, 2021, 10:01:51 PM
Those Trumpublicans who fail to go through a metal detector at the Capitol will be fined $5000!

Go Nancy!