I have my favorite obvious attack songs like "dear god" by XTC. However I really enjoy songs that are subtle with skepticism. I would like to hear some of your favorites and maybe why you see them in that light. For instance this song "Do you realize" IMHO is suggesting that this life is the only one you will get. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPXWt2ESxVY
My favorite anti-religious music is Godspell. Jesus didn't establish an institution, except in the same terms as Buddha establishing the Sangha.
"Jesus Christ: Superstar"
Perhaps the best reason, for me, to enjoy classical, is that there are no words to fuck up the feeling. Same for what is called smooth jazz. I have always thought that people who claim a certain style of music isâ€the best†simply haven't been exposed to the plethora of genres and the incredible music floating about they know nothing about.
Quote from: aitm on August 30, 2020, 02:14:13 PM
Perhaps the best reason, for me, to enjoy classical, is that there are no words to fuck up the feeling. Same for what is called smooth jazz. I have always thought that people who claim a certain style of music isâ€the best†simply haven't been exposed to the plethora of genres and the incredible music floating about they know nothing about.
Asking someone what the best music is, is like asking who the most beautiful man or woman is. There is no such thing...........total depends upon each person and what they like. At times, I will go on you-tube and put random words in front of 'music', and sample what comes up. I am constantly surprised by the different 'types' of music there are and what I end up liking. By and large, instrumental is what moves me. There are exceptions, tho, like 'The Rose'--never tire of that one.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on August 30, 2020, 12:29:41 PM
"Jesus Christ: Superstar"
Yeah...I've loved that musical since I was a kid. And I never saw it as religious more like having fun with it. I mean the name only...
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 30, 2020, 02:37:28 PM
Yeah...I've loved that musical since I was a kid. And I never saw it as religious more like having fun with it. I mean the name only...
Very sixties! Same as Aquarius by Fifth Dimension.
Quote from: Cassia on August 30, 2020, 09:03:13 AM
I have my favorite obvious attack songs like "dear god" by XTC. However I really enjoy songs that are subtle with skepticism. I would like to hear some of your favorites and maybe why you see them in that light.
I love Aimee Mann. This song is ostensibly about Alcoholics Anonymous, a faith-based recovery system, but it speaks to how I feel when talking to people of any faith.
I want to believe
But baby, I'm dry
I want to believe
What you testify
And I'll pour the drinks
Like a true believer
Whose God never blinks
But I cannot get my head around it, baby
I cannot get my head around it, baby
'Cause that's just not the way
You make me feel
https://youtu.be/M3SL4hhcBWQ
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 30, 2020, 03:59:00 PM
I love Aimee Mann. This song is ostensibly about Alcoholics Anonymous, a faith-based recovery system, but it speaks to how I feel when talking to people of any faith.
I want to believe
But baby, I'm dry
I want to believe
What you testify
And I'll pour the drinks
Like a true believer
Whose God never blinks
But I cannot get my head around it, baby
I cannot get my head around it, baby
'Cause that's just not the way
You make me feel
https://youtu.be/M3SL4hhcBWQ
Thanks for that. I had not heard of the song, nor of her. I like her voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ
Probably not subtle
Quote from: GSOgymrat on August 30, 2020, 03:59:00 PM
I love Aimee Mann. This song is ostensibly about Alcoholics Anonymous, a faith-based recovery system, but it speaks to how I feel when talking to people of any faith.
I want to believe
But baby, I'm dry
I want to believe
What you testify
And I'll pour the drinks
Like a true believer
Whose God never blinks
But I cannot get my head around it, baby
I cannot get my head around it, baby
'Cause that's just not the way
You make me feel
https://youtu.be/M3SL4hhcBWQ
Sweet Song! Speaking of Amy Mann that live video of 'til tuesday' playing 'coming up close' might be the closest thing to live music perfection I have heard yet.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on August 30, 2020, 05:23:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ
Probably not subtle
No, but secularly prophetic.
I don't know about subtle, but here are some of my faves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTgKRCXybSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwhBRJStz7w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGI5-DpSLdQ
I so love NIN, Hydra.....
BTW, Deus does not exist, but if he does...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq2dWTBVZD4
Now that I am going down A Perfect but Circular rabbit hole, I rather like this, not just because I am a Libra, LOL...Not sure it is literally about a fallen angel....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NBAvTLp15Q
https://youtu.be/g6teeE-M5Ts
That was some powerful stuff by Alanis ! What a voice, too.
Yeah, the west coast on fire and like 4 tropical storms on the east coast we now realize the effects of leaving everything to the hands of the gawds. Propagate till the pond is full and the gasping has begun. My brother kept the family genes moving forward. I did not, a decision I do not regret in spite of all the pressure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHh0V7UjVXI
I think these are subtle kind of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OyiiPt4AXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnqdDvFKBIc
Not Subtle but just as good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbSxzqA8QrA
"Disturbed" is so tight, like down to the uS. Incredible. Never knew Rush could get so dark sounding and that is a good thing.
Quote from: Cassia on September 11, 2020, 01:04:18 PM
"Disturbed" is so tight, like down to the uS. Incredible. Never knew Rush could get so dark sounding and that is a good thing.
All Rush's songs are about people.
In fact really listen to freewill lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnxkfLe4G74
Teachers told us the Romans built this place.
They built a wall and a temple at an edge of the empire garrison town.
They lived and they died.
They prayed to their gods, but their stone gods did not make a sound.
And their empire crumbled 'till all that was left
Were the stones the workmen found.
All this time the river flowed in the falling light of a northern sun.
If I had my way, take a boat from the river.
Men go crazy in congregations, they only get better one by one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LdUme7QZLY
Sounds rather Abrahamic, if not Christian. Smart people all worship money, particularly gold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvLlEtxX3o
What "Hero" looked like after getting the arrow shirt ;-)
I'm happy to say that my views on religion are a bit better defined than most people who are also atheists. I have a very strong hatred of all organized religions,especially the one I'm exposed to on a daily basis. My wife of 38 years and both of our kids and their families are hard-core christians. Ihave to look at it and hear about it every time we have a get-together. It took a lot of talking and listening to one another before we agreed to "dis-agree" on the subject. Like the old saying, no "religion or politics". My musical tastes have gotten darker and angrier as Ive gotten older(61). Ididn't "mellow out" like most people. I've always been a metalhead and I like classical as well. Maybe that's why I love black metal and death metal so much,very anti-religious and anti-mainstream.If you want to see some real anti-religious music, look no further than DARK FUNERAL,MARDUK,WATAIN,INQUISITION,OR ROTTING CHRIST. Id be interested in hearing from any fellow metal-heads.
I can't believe that I left BEHEMOTH off the list! Amazing music from all of these bands. Check them out and watch their video's. Black-metal is the definition of 'anti-religious" music.
Quote from: bob nelson on October 19, 2020, 04:43:33 PM
My musical tastes have gotten darker and angrier as Ive gotten older(61). Ididn't "mellow out" like most people.
I guess I've aged somewhat similar to how you are aging. I'm a few years older (75) but have not 'aged' as most. I started out fairly conservative in both political and emotional ways. As I've grown older, seen more and experienced more, I've become much more liberal and anti establishment. Much more anti religious, especially of the organized type. ALL organized religions end up being dangerous and evil. Typically, I was told, people start out more liberal, rebel for awhile and then become more religious and conservative in outlook. I'm doing that in an opposite manner. But with music, I find I still like what I did 50/60 years ago with a bit of Enigma, Celtic Women, and woven in--some classical, and a tiny bit of metal of the AC/DC type. Heavy/death metal is too oppressive for me. But tastes do differ in the world of music.
Celtic Woman was very good, 10 years ago.
Quote from: bob nelson on October 19, 2020, 04:50:58 PM
I can't believe that I left BEHEMOTH off the list! Amazing music from all of these bands. Check them out and watch their video's. Black-metal is the definition of 'anti-religious" music.
I'll look into them. I like a bit of metal in the mornings. I really like this shoegaze sounding song by Callisto
The trees are grey here
The soil is damp and cold
His senses are filled with drought
After his flee from the temple
Rites made him shiver from fear
Now waiting for someone
To proclaim salvation
His price has been paidhttps://youtu.be/zFWdRLIeKc0
I like Tim Munching singing Fuck the Motherfucker, which is about the pope.
:-D
Quote from: Unbeliever on October 19, 2020, 07:18:33 PM
I like Tim Munching singing Fuck the Motherfucker, which is about the pope.
:-D
Hmmmmm.......not sure that is accurate. The pope most likely would leave the mother alone--would pick either the girl or boy child.
I see I spelled it incorrectly, it's Minchin, I think.
That seems very strange to me, but I've heard that as most of us get older, we tend to "mellow-out" and become more liberal. I've also heard it said that most atheists and "SATANISTS" are liberals. Not me,the older I get, the more conservative I've become. With 2 kids and 4 grandkids, I worry every day about their futures. All of this insanity has to stop! My choices about my music will always clash with my families "tastes", but like I said in my first message, we have agreed to disagree. Listening to "black metal" makes me happy, which my wife and kids don't understand,but this music has literally saved my life. I am retired on permanent disability and depression is a real thing for me. I have been suicidal in the past and those kind of feelings never really go away. It is so bad that I can't be in the same room as a loaded gun any more. So I listen to "my" music on a daily basis, and it makes me smile. that's good enough for now.
Quote from: bob nelson on October 20, 2020, 05:03:31 PM
That seems very strange to me, but I've heard that as most of us get older, we tend to "mellow-out" and become more liberal. I've also heard it said that most atheists and "SATANISTS" are liberals. Not me,the older I get, the more conservative I've become. With 2 kids and 4 grandkids, I worry every day about their futures. All of this insanity has to stop! My choices about my music will always clash with my families "tastes", but like I said in my first message, we have agreed to disagree. Listening to "black metal" makes me happy, which my wife and kids don't understand,but this music has literally saved my life. I am retired on permanent disability and depression is a real thing for me. I have been suicidal in the past and those kind of feelings never really go away. It is so bad that I can't be in the same room as a loaded gun any more. So I listen to "my" music on a daily basis, and it makes me smile. that's good enough for now.
Whatever gets on thru the night. If that music makes life livable, then listen to that music!
Consider this article that deals with growing older and being more conservative:
https://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-do-we-become-more-conservative-with-age-47910#:~:text=The%20first%20is%20that%2C%20as%20the%20quote%20above,different%20lifestyles%2C%20and%20therefore%20different%20priorities%20when%20voting.
Quote from: bob nelson on October 20, 2020, 05:03:31 PM
That seems very strange to me, but I've heard that as most of us get older, we tend to "mellow-out" and become more liberal. I've also heard it said that most atheists and "SATANISTS" are liberals. Not me,the older I get, the more conservative I've become. With 2 kids and 4 grandkids, I worry every day about their futures. All of this insanity has to stop! My choices about my music will always clash with my families "tastes", but like I said in my first message, we have agreed to disagree. Listening to "black metal" makes me happy, which my wife and kids don't understand,but this music has literally saved my life. I am retired on permanent disability and depression is a real thing for me. I have been suicidal in the past and those kind of feelings never really go away. It is so bad that I can't be in the same room as a loaded gun any more. So I listen to "my" music on a daily basis, and it makes me smile. that's good enough for now.
I have had to deal with family suicide and family attempted suicide. I know neuroses and hoarding well. But I have avoided a few other things. Your being liberal or conservative is a false dichotomy. Are you content or discontent? How does that sit with your mental health, or any substance abuse or family abuse? I am recently retired, and family is the only thing keeping me happy, work the prior 7 years was the only thing keeping me from going over the cliff. That and my cats and my hobbies and I can get up in the morning any time I feel like it (or my cats tell me to). For some people who are "work" centered or "people" centered, this is hard for them. Try as many new things as you can, and some will help you center yourself.
Behemoth. Got my metal (kick drum=64th notes) fix this morning. The kid's choir was a nice touch. Not subtle, but ya know, most dogs are better than god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf5GmhffA48
If you are looking for "anti-religious" music, and like metal or love it like I do, then BEHEMOTH are a good place to start.
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 19, 2020, 05:05:30 PM
I started out fairly conservative in both political and emotional ways. As I've grown older, seen more and experienced more, I've become much more liberal and anti establishment. Much more anti religious, especially of the organized type. ALL organized religions end up being dangerous and evil. Typically, I was told, people start out more liberal, rebel for awhile and then become more religious and conservative in outlook. I'm doing that in an opposite manner.
That describes me. I was a Republican for no reason other than my family was, but I dropped that label when I started paying attention to politics. My family did not brainwash me with their political ideology. But I wrestled with uglyness of religion for years, because my religious training was as abusive as Jim Jones and his Jonestown cult, OK that's an exaggeration, kinda. I'm still drawn to the music of my late youth and that time when Eric Clapton and Led Zepplin came on the scene. And the short lived Folk era of Peter Paul and Mary was also a special part of my life. I like the softness and intimacy of small gatherings in coffee houses. I got into playing the guitar and singing, but then everything went "electric" and while I liked it, I never developed an interest in playing it. When the acoustic era came to an end, it was a great loss to me, but I don't think about it much anymore.
Quote from: SGOS on October 22, 2020, 03:28:36 AM
That describes me. I was a Republican for no reason other than my family was, but I dropped that label when I started paying attention to politics. My family did not brainwash me with their political ideology. But I wrestled with uglyness of religion for years, because my religious training was as abusive as Jim Jones and his Jonestown cult, OK that's an exaggeration, kinda. I'm still drawn to the music of my late youth and that time when Eric Clapton and Led Zepplin came on the scene. And the short lived Folk era of Peter Paul and Mary was also a special part of my life. I like the softness and intimacy of small gatherings in coffee houses. I got into playing the guitar and singing, but then everything went "electric" and while I liked it, I never developed an interest in playing it. When the acoustic era came to an end, it was a great loss to me, but I don't think about it much anymore.
Loved/love PP&M! Got to see them live while in Hawaii--great show! I never sang nor played an instrument--well, a turn-table--but loved/love the music of that time--Steppenwolf, Eagles, We Five, etc, and hootenannies were growing strong while I was in grade/high school. Folk rock and hard rock I can listen to all day. With the exception of rap and opera, I like most music.
video drips with irreligious imagery and a covid grocery store
https://youtu.be/Pmd3UiNfNkA
^ I adore that song.
OK, so try to guess who here is the black hole and how these suburbanites are his evangelicals?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbBbFH9fAg
Dinner without grace
They're telling you lies
Privation within their rhymes
Don't wait for god's embrace
Let's have a dinner without grace
They're telling you lies
Deceit is in their mind
It's time that in God's face
We have a dinner without grace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH9fIdyi_1Q
Song attacks "biblical parables" like a hammer attacks a nail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqlS9SOkjs&list=RDKsyNdvfuOoU&index=1
Not subtle, but 'Jesus he knows me' by genesis and 'take me to church' by hozier are personal favorites.
I've been a big fan of The Hand of the Almighty for years. God WILL fuck you up!
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 26, 2020, 07:22:52 PM
Not subtle, but 'Jesus he knows me' by genesis and 'take me to church' by hozier are personal favorites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVjiKRfKpPI
Good song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3uvf0cn0jo
Subtle is my middle name.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 26, 2020, 11:46:51 PM
Good song.
Yeah, agreed. Solid songwriting. Always cool to hear a unique and strong voice.
Quote from: the_antithesis on December 27, 2020, 12:31:43 AM
Subtle is my middle name.
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about Candlemass. I had an old CD of theirs, but it was in the wrong jewel case as often happens around here, LOL. There's another great singer, sweet vibrato. Recently I learned that a coffin is not a casket. I much prefer the coffin shape.
It was so funny when I saw some Christians groups had started performing Cohen's Hallelujah. They always left out a verse or two. Poor dears. They missed the point that this version of "hallelujah" was about dropping the 'Jah' part for some hot sex.
Quote from: Cassia on December 27, 2020, 11:50:46 AM
It was so funny when I saw some Christians groups had started performing Cohen's Hallelujah. They always left out a verse or two. Poor dears. They missed the point that this version of "hallelujah" was about dropping the 'Jah' part for some hot sex.
Same as Christian rock. Rock was Satanic from the first ;-) You can't fight Satan by using Satan ;-))
Quote from: Cassia on December 27, 2020, 07:47:48 AM
Oh yeah, I had forgotten about Candlemass. I had an old CD of theirs, but it was in the wrong jewel case as often happens around here, LOL. There's another great singer, sweet vibrato. Recently I learned that a coffin is not a casket. I much prefer the coffin shape.
Pretty good music/singing, not good lyrics. If you're going to go for the dark, early Black Sabbath style, I do not think the word "fiddle" fits in the aesthetic you're going for.
CANDLEMASS, one of the original and one of the best DOOM bands of all time. I got to see them live on one of their rare US tours in 2008.
Quote from: Baruch on December 27, 2020, 01:37:50 PM
Same as Christian rock. Rock was Satanic from the first ;-) You can't fight Satan by using Satan ;-))
A house divided against itself cannot stand?
;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on December 27, 2020, 06:03:26 PM
A house divided against itself cannot stand?
;-)
Part of being American is to be totally depraved ;-(
Talk Talk- "Happiness is Easy" is a sonic treat and a masterpiece. It doesn't hurt to have Steve Winwood on the Hammond either. Talk about subtle. Yes religious indoctrination is used to raise sheep for the slaughter....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYSnxX9f5Tg
The video mocks faith healing and the song turns a Buddhist meditation into dance-rock.
Think of a friend (love)
And wish them love
Think of an enemy (more)
And wish them more
Think of every (life)
Life and wish them all your love
Then feel that love return
Feel the love infinity
Feel the love infinity
Then let it go
https://youtu.be/6TNyy90LrAg
https://youtu.be/Hk4eMIswunQ