Like this for example
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What do you mean by 'inspirational'?? Depending upon who you talk to, I am pretty inspiring--especially to my dogs right around food time.
I am sure your dogs howl like bitches on queue, based on what you have trained them to respond to ;-) … typical Democrats.
@Kibla92 … there have been Christian hymns that inspire me. Atheists don't have a spirit/soul. They are empowered by their political messiah getting elected. Power is what people want who have no spirit. For a real spiritual person, G-d having power is sufficient. Martin Luther said "a prayer sung is a prayer made twice".
I also like Buddhist and Hindu chant etc. Inspiration isn't limited to one culture. Even wordless music is uplifting.
Only when 'inspirational' is code for 'nauseated'.
I also like Buddhist and Hindu chant etc
I wanted to be a Buddhist monk but I never had the chants.
Jesus Fucking Christ Kibla92, that is one shitty song.
Quote from: Cassia on August 26, 2020, 09:28:08 PM
I also like Buddhist and Hindu chant etc
I wanted to be a Buddhist monk but I never had the chants.
Jesus Fucking Christ Kibla92, that is one shitty song.
Yeah--but it does fit right in with his other posts.
"...He has overcome, yes, he has overcome...'
God made this after Satan invented rock? That explains a LOT.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 27, 2020, 12:54:58 AM
"...He has overcome, yes, he has overcome...'
God made this after Satan invented rock? That explains a LOT.
Satan invented Rock? I knew it when I saw Elvis the Pelvis and my loins were stirred ;-)
Every religious group/person defended that something that makes life bearable was invented by Satan at some point, at least once.
Rock should have been a nasty shock though...LOL
Depends. Sometimes it inspires me to imagine or get through the day, but that could be said about any music really. I should know. I sang in a choir from elementary to high school and I sand all various songs from Broadway to religious and some songs I can sing now can have mythological and religious origins and lyrics, but it is the the whole song in general that inspires me to feel better and imagine. Music is magic that is a part of our design as living beings. I often saw choir people being pulled from practice because their religious parents and their religion prevented them from a particular song. But I was a atheist then and I didn't care I enjoyed the choir songs and events the same as anyone enjoys their favorite genre.
This a song we sang in high school:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzBOqEnTPiw
Not sure if it does or does no makes me feel the inspirational.
Will say, like that song from 'oh brother were art thou?'
Down to the river to pray, studying 'bout that good ol' way. Or something like that. Also a big fan of the late leonard Cohen who had many a Christianity-inspired song. Greats stuff.
But most gospel songs or ones that go like 'I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus, I wanna feel his salvation all over my face!" tend not to do it for me.
In fact, one of the most fun and inspiring songs Christianity-related, to me personaly, would be' Jesus he knows me'.
Christian Rock.......................A complete a joke
Songs Out of a Hymnal..........BORING and the wide vibrato of that lady behind me sends me into an epileptic fit
Some Classical Music..............Creates a visceral experience (Beethoven's Ode to Joy), but it has nothing to do with words, which are in a language I don't understand. Beethoven's Fifth Symphony does the same thing to me, and as far as I know that special tune is not about Jesus. So it's more like Beethoven is the thing inspiring me, not Jesus.
So as pointed out, it depends on how you define "inspiring." An afternoon thunderstorm at a high mountain lake after a 12 mile hike is inspiring, as is a dead calm in the evening while a moose on the opposite shore dunks his head in the lake and comes up in a shower of water and lily pads. Now that kind of stuff is inspiring. But the only thing it inspires me to do is get more of it.
Quote from: SGOS on August 27, 2020, 06:35:50 AM
An afternoon thunderstorm at a high mountain lake after a 12 mile hike is inspiring, as is a dead calm in the evening while a moose on the opposite shore dunks his head in the lake and comes up in a shower of water and lily pads.
Mhm...Sigh.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 27, 2020, 01:36:27 AM
Every religious group/person defended that something that makes life bearable was invented by Satan at some point, at least once.
Rock should have been a nasty shock though...LOL
Sexual assault makes life bearable? Is that Biden's excuse?
Quote from: SGOS on August 27, 2020, 06:35:50 AM
Christian Rock.......................A complete a joke
Songs Out of a Hymnal..........BORING and the wide vibrato of that lady behind me sends me into an epileptic fit
Some Classical Music..............Creates a visceral experience (Beethoven's Ode to Joy), but it has nothing to do with words, which are in a language I don't understand. Beethoven's Fifth Symphony does the same thing to me, and as far as I know that special tune is not about Jesus. So it's more like Beethoven is the thing inspiring me, not Jesus.
So as pointed out, it depends on how you define "inspiring." An afternoon thunderstorm at a high mountain lake after a 12 mile hike is inspiring, as is a dead calm in the evening while a moose on the opposite shore dunks his head in the lake and comes up in a shower of water and lily pads. Now that kind of stuff is inspiring. But the only thing it inspires me to do is get more of it.
Don't get inspired to put up an umbrella ;-)
When I was a Christian, it did that for me, yes. I used to be a singer in the youth band at a Lutheran church. We did Christian rock. Even as a Christian, though, I found the vast majority of the music in the genre to be boring. I think after the brief peak in popularity the genre got in the 90's, with bands like Big Daddy Weave, many tried to capitalize on that popularity, without understanding why people liked it. It was a fad that refused to die, in a vain attempt to appeal to younger audiences.
As for other genres of Christian music, hell no. Never liked them.
Here's a sample of something I would have enjoyed performing in church back in my teen years. He's clearly trying to tap into that Linkin Park type of sound, but it works.
https://youtu.be/HdnTSXUWd3E
Edit: IMO, I think the problem with 99% of Christian rock is that the artist is trying to make Christian music that happens to be rock. To me, the best Christian music, and the stuff I still don't mind listening to today, is music that is rock that happens to have a Christian theme. Like in the song above, it's not something you'd likely hear in church. Heck, if I didn't tell you it was a Christian song, you probably wouldn't even know it. Focus on the music first; don't just try to shove Christianity into a genre.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 28, 2020, 10:42:52 AM
When I was a Christian, it did that for me, yes. I used to be a singer in the youth band at a Lutheran church. We did Christian rock. Even as a Christian, though, I found the vast majority of the music in the genre to be boring. I think after the brief peak in popularity the genre got in the 90's, with bands like Big Daddy Weave, many tried to capitalize on that popularity, without understanding why people liked it. It was a fad that refused to die, in a vain attempt to appeal to younger audiences.
As for other genres of Christian music, hell no. Never liked them.
Here's a sample of something I would have enjoyed performing in church back in my teen years. He's clearly trying to tap into that Linkin Park type of sound, but it works.
https://youtu.be/HdnTSXUWd3E
Edit: IMO, I think the problem with 99% of Christian rock is that the artist is trying to make Christian music that happens to be rock. To me, the best Christian music, and the stuff I still don't mind listening to today, is music that is rock that happens to have a Christian theme. Like in the song above, it's not something you'd likely hear in church. Heck, if I didn't tell you it was a Christian song, you probably wouldn't even know it. Focus on the music first; don't just try to shove Christianity into a genre.
If you mean this. Then i can see your point
Although music that has no message to Christianity in it "Skillet" is considered christian band. Maybe they just say they are christians in a band. But their songs seems to be about rock music. So always found that odd.
Edit: Although i do kind of have guilty pleasure of Petra from time to time. Which is a christian rock band though
I loved that episode of South Park, and yeah, that clip pretty much shows the mentality I think goes on in Christian rock. The trend to copy what's popular to try to appeal to younger audiences isn't new, and they're usually a decade or two behind mainstream trends, because the old farts in church always hate new stuff, so they need time to be convinced it's not Satanic (or die, and let the younger ones take over). I feel like I can tell which bands are doing what they do out of honest artistic expression versus just using their music as bait for kids. Also, there is Christian rock made for church and Christian rock made for radio, and they are very different styles. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-Krlqi4fk
Switchfoot was made for radio, with lyrics that weren't too overt with their Christian undertones. The song "Dare You to Move" isn't about praising God, it's just a song about living life to the fullest rather than going with the motions. The most overt they get is when the lyrics start talking about redemption, but they don't come right out and offer the Jesus pill as a cure for that. It was universally relatable, and because of that, it was played on mainstream radio.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 30, 2020, 10:42:38 AM
I loved that episode of South Park, and yeah, that clip pretty much shows the mentality I think goes on in Christian rock. The trend to copy what's popular to try to appeal to younger audiences isn't new, and they're usually a decade or two behind mainstream trends, because the old farts in church always hate new stuff, so they need time to be convinced it's not Satanic (or die, and let the younger ones take over). I feel like I can tell which bands are doing what they do out of honest artistic expression versus just using their music as bait for kids. Also, there is Christian rock made for church and Christian rock made for radio, and they are very different styles. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-Krlqi4fk
Switchfoot was made for radio, with lyrics that weren't too overt with their Christian undertones. The song "Dare You to Move" isn't about praising God, it's just a song about living life to the fullest rather than going with the motions. The most overt they get is when the lyrics start talking about redemption, but they don't come right out and offer the Jesus pill as a cure for that. It was universally relatable, and because of that, it was played on mainstream radio.
I can see why. Good song
First song i heard from them was We were meant to live.. dont ask me how i found it out first time :P
But yeah i can see why people like this.
Not as much as rap. Christian music makes me ill, rap makes wanta fuck dem bitches with the big ass booty (redundant).....ah seriously, music inspires that within each that feels a need to be inspired.
Mike and the Mechanics song, “in the living years†always inspires me to call pop. So does “Cats in the cradleâ€.
Craig Chiquitos music makes me sleep, and I love it.
But nothing, no music ever made beats a good ass pounding thunder storm. That shit settles my very being, thrills my essence, vibrates my bones, removes anything resembling “negative†and replaces it with sheer delight. If there was a seven day thunder storm, I doubt I would feel even the need to eat.
Quote from: aitm on August 30, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Not as much as rap. Christian music makes me ill, rap makes wanta fuck dem bitches with the big ass booty (redundant).....ah seriously, music inspires that within each that feels a need to be inspired.
Mike and the Mechanics song, “in the living years†always inspires me to call pop. So does “Cats in the cradleâ€.
Craig Chiquitos music makes me sleep, and I love it.
But nothing, no music ever made beats a good ass pounding thunder storm. That shit settles my very being, thrills my essence, vibrates my bones, removes anything resembling “negative†and replaces it with sheer delight. If there was a seven day thunder storm, I doubt I would feel even the need to ea
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Rap sucks. Exceptions but often its not catchy and boring to listen too.
MF doom i think is talented though. And DMX is good though i dont listen to him too often but he is atleast good. Never was a fan of Eminem.
But atleast MF Doom i legit think makes good music. Its very rare for me to like Rap music.. But if its good i am happy to listen to it
Psst....I don’t actually listen to rap...jes fuckin wit ya boy.
Quote from: Kibla92 on August 30, 2020, 02:06:48 PM
Rap sucks.
Well, I'll be damned and go to hell---you finally said something that makes sense--and is right, as well! Keep up the good work!
Quote from: aitm on August 30, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Not as much as rap. Christian music makes me ill, rap makes wanta fuck dem bitches with the big ass booty (redundant).....ah seriously, music inspires that within each that feels a need to be inspired.
Mike and the Mechanics song, “in the living years†always inspires me to call pop. So does “Cats in the cradleâ€.
Craig Chiquitos music makes me sleep, and I love it.
But nothing, no music ever made beats a good ass pounding thunder storm. That shit settles my very being, thrills my essence, vibrates my bones, removes anything resembling “negative†and replaces it with sheer delight. If there was a seven day thunder storm, I doubt I would feel even the need to eat.
Clearly a follower of Zeus/Jupiter ;-)
The only music that inspires me is that of the one true god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDeU42u2s2Y
Now that I stop and think about it, I do like classic reggae, which is kind of liturgical music...
Quote from: trdsf on September 06, 2020, 02:18:56 PM
Now that I stop and think about it, I do like classic reggae, which is kind of liturgical music...
Hail Emperor Haile Selassie!
Quote from: Baruch on August 26, 2020, 08:24:09 PM
Atheists don't have a spirit/soul. They are empowered by their political messiah getting elected. Power is what people want who have no spirit. For a real spiritual person, G-d having power is sufficient. Martin Luther said "a prayer sung is a prayer made twice".
What the hell happened to you? Seriously...
I remember when you used to try to defend your beliefs with something besides the crap you have been posting recently (see paragraph above as the most recent example). You used to sound like someone at least
trying to sound rational. Now, not so much.
I used to actually look forward to your posts, because, while I didn't actually consider them a logical or evidential challenge, they were at least fun to respond to. They took a little though.
So. I will dissect the above anyway.
QuoteAtheists don't have a spirit/soul.
Please demonstrate that a spirit or a soul exist. Please demonstrate that anyone, even theists have a spirit or a soul.
Please define a spirit or a soul, because, every time I ask a theist to define these terms, I get different definitions.
QuoteThey are empowered by their political messiah getting elected.
This is a complete non sequitur. How does this apply to: apolitical atheists, atheists in countries that don't have elections, atheists that understand that there are no such things as 'political messiahs'?
QuotePower is what people want who have no spirit. For a real spiritual person, G-d having power is sufficient.
What is a 'real spiritual person'? Sounds like a no true Scotsman fallacy to me.
It also seem to fly in the face of the entire Catholic church structure; Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, etc, etc. Are you saying that no Pope or Bishop or Cardinal has even been a 'real spiritual person'?
QuoteMartin Luther said "a prayer sung is a prayer made twice"
Who cares what Martin Luther said? He was just a person who claimed to, without evidence, that a god exists, prayer works, miracles occur, etc.
Why should we believe what Martin Luther said, any more than what Bigfoot 'experts' say?
Quote from: Simon Moon on September 10, 2020, 03:23:34 PM
What the hell happened to you? Seriously...
I remember when you used to try to defend your beliefs with something besides the crap you have been posting recently (see paragraph above as the most recent example). You used to sound like someone at least trying to sound rational. Now, not so much.
I used to actually look forward to your posts, because, while I didn't actually consider them a logical or evidential challenge, they were at least fun to respond to. They took a little though.
So. I will dissect the above anyway.
Please demonstrate that a spirit or a soul exist. Please demonstrate that anyone, even theists have a spirit or a soul.
Please define a spirit or a soul, because, every time I ask a theist to define these terms, I get different definitions.
This is a complete non sequitur. How does this apply to: apolitical atheists, atheists in countries that don't have elections, atheists that understand that there are no such things as 'political messiahs'?
What is a 'real spiritual person'? Sounds like a no true Scotsman fallacy to me.
It also seem to fly in the face of the entire Catholic church structure; Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, etc, etc. Are you saying that no Pope or Bishop or Cardinal has even been a 'real spiritual person'?
Who cares what Martin Luther said? He was just a person who claimed to, without evidence, that a god exists, prayer works, miracles occur, etc.
Why should we believe what Martin Luther said, any more than what Bigfoot 'experts' say?
There isn't much activity in religion of late. Except for the bit on religious music experience I posted last month. Are you expecting my to argue?
I will respond to your specific points later today ;-)
Quote from: Simon Moon on September 10, 2020, 03:23:34 PM
What the hell happened to you? Seriously...
I remember when you used to try to defend your beliefs with something besides the crap you have been posting recently (see paragraph above as the most recent example). You used to sound like someone at least trying to sound rational. Now, not so much.
Simon. He has been this way for quite some time now. When he first came to the site (I invited him--we go back over 20 years and several boards, and he was one of the most clear headed producers of fact around.) he was quite sane and rational. All he wants to do now is to piss people off and very rare is a post of his that makes much sense. Regard him as our resident troll. Personally, I don't remember reading his post anymore.
"Out of psychology, sociology and culture ... religion is real, regardless of epistemological quibbles"
Please demonstrate that a spirit or a soul exist. Please demonstrate that anyone, even theists have a spirit or a soul.
Please define a spirit or a soul, because, every time I ask a theist to define these terms, I get different definitions.
“There is a “you†and a “me†though where we crossover isn’t clearâ€
This is a complete non sequitur. How does this apply to: apolitical atheists, atheists in countries that don't have elections, atheists that understand that there are no such things as 'political messiahs'?
“If Robespierre, Lenin, Mao, Fidel aren’t messiahs, then they are guilty of false advertising.â€
What is a 'real spiritual person'? Sounds like a no true Scotsman fallacy to me.
“Takes one to know one. What is a true fisherman?â€
It also seem to fly in the face of the entire Catholic church structure; Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, etc, etc. Are you saying that no Pope or Bishop or Cardinal has even been a 'real spiritual person'?
“I wasn’t naming names. I can’t claim any of them, but I know the asymptote. If one is self reliant, that one is an egotist.â€
Who cares what Martin Luther said? He was just a person who claimed to, without evidence, that a god exists, prayer works, miracles occur, etc.
Why should we believe what Martin Luther said, any more than what Bigfoot 'experts' say?
“A great historical person is worth examining. No matter how cold the corpse.â€
----
I am not Catholic and none of you are but ...
"Fr. James Altman: You cannot be Catholic & a Democrat. Period." ... Catholic priest James Martin speaking at DNC convention is a heretic. Preach brother, preach! The largest and oldest human organization will be hard to beat.
Christian music makes me want to laugh. How can anyone sing that crap with a straight face? Makes me think about the SOUTH PARK episode featuring JESUS+1 and Cartman receiving his murr record for selling 1 million albums. And rap music sucks!
Quote from: bob nelson on November 10, 2020, 06:19:29 PM
Christian music makes me want to laugh. How can anyone sing that crap with a straight face? Makes me think about the SOUTH PARK episode featuring JESUS+1 and Cartman receiving his murr record for selling 1 million albums. And rap music sucks!
Humor is in the jocular of the beholder ;-)
I sang in coirs as a youngster, and enjoyed the music. I still like to sing some of it when I'm drunk enough(very seldom these days), such as In the Garden, or Waltzing Matilda.
I like Handel's Messiah, and I like Beethoven's "Ode to Joy," but I can't speak German or whatever it is, so I'd probably still get goosebumps if they were singing about having sex with midgets.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 10, 2020, 08:28:13 PM
I sang in coirs as a youngster, and enjoyed the music. I still like to sing some of it when I'm drunk enough(very seldom these days), such as In the Garden, or Waltzing Matilda.
There was a singer at my college who would perform at the weekly coffeehouse night whose
a capella rendition of Eric Bogle's "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" was guaranteed to rip you inside out. I'm feeling a little choked up remembering it and that was nearly 40 years ago.
Quote from: SGOS on November 10, 2020, 08:36:49 PM
I like Handel's Messiah, and I like Beethoven's "Ode to Joy," but I can't speak German or whatever it is, so I'd probably still get goosebumps if they were singing about having sex with midgets.
TMI ;-)
Quote from: SGOS on November 10, 2020, 08:36:49 PM
I like Handel's Messiah, and I like Beethoven's "Ode to Joy," but I can't speak German or whatever it is, so I'd probably still get goosebumps if they were singing about having sex with midgets.
I always get goosebumps when I hear songs about little people having a good time ala Caligula!
;-D
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 11, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
I always get goosebumps when I hear songs about little people having a good time ala Caligula!
;-D
Not funny, except from you. You are immaculately innocent.