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Title: Star Wars movies
Post by: Kibla92 on August 23, 2020, 01:22:14 PM
You like them or not?

I only liked 3rd movie because unlike others it had a story to tell
Even with joke videos like this, it still is effective!
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

On another note. I do think Disney ruined Star Wars interms of the mythology that made sense. Basically the idea of Jedis is they are good, Sith is corruption. And so its about human nature, the nature of good and evil. Disney treated it like it was politics, which completely missed the point of that mythology to begin with. Thats one thing about Disney take on it that i think was really bad.

I do hope they just calle Star Wars 7-9 spin off series. And get George Lucas back, and let him make the stories he wanted to complete from 7-11. He seemed to know how it was supposed to fit!
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on August 23, 2020, 02:16:44 PM
I'm extremely partial to the original trilogy (New Hope and Empire were masterpieces, Return was a big iffy in places but decent overall).  Aside from the big setpiece battles and Order 66, I didn't care for the prequels.  Except for Rogue One, which was pretty good with a hell of a beach battle and a memorable space battle.  I really wanted to like the sequels, and I think Force Awakens was decent, but Last Jedi and whatever movie came out after that were dumpster fires imho.

I think there's room for more stories in the Star Wars universe - the Clone Wars, Rebels, Mando, etc.  But please, no more Skywalker stories.  At least for a while.  Maybe more low-fantasy stories with the bounty hunters and crime syndicates.  Or Thrawn and adapting more Legends material.

I'm open to them changing whoever's in charge of the IP (don't stick with what doesn't work), but I'd prefer new blood over George Lucas.  Dave Filoni seems to have a very solid grasp on the universe and a nice streak of successful projects.

And yes, the Jedi somewhat deserved their in-universe bad reputation.  They essentially kidnapped and indoctrinated children.  They had practical reasons for doing that (older kids are more difficult to train, unschooled force sensitives were vulnerable to darkside temptation) but it's still an inherently immoral act.  And while they did generally try their hardest to protect innocent people and promote the comparatively more free republican political order over imperial totalitarianism - they certainly also pursued their own self-interest and amassed quite a bit of unelected political power within the republic.

I really wished the sequels had ended with a new order of force sensitives fully independent from Jedi or Sith or any political body.  Alas...
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 23, 2020, 02:26:28 PM
The Jedi were the Jesuits of that galaxy.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Mike Cl on August 23, 2020, 05:01:44 PM
I have tried and tried and tried to like this series.  I saw the first one the summer it came out.  Underwhelmed.  I mean it was a decent movie.  Nothing to get excited about.  My daughter forced me to see the one with Jar Jar Banks and was further underwhelmed.  I must be the only person in the world that doesn't much care for the series.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2020, 05:41:39 PM
You had to be the right age at the right time in the right place.  My best friend and I were 21, and we were overwhelmed by the first movie so much, we hid and saw it again immediately without paying for it (we had been in a long line for the first showing).  And I went back and saw it again by myself, after the hype died down.  It was perfect fantasy fare for 15-25 year old Western males!  Also at a time when hero worship and anti-military were in an odd position in the US.  Not long after Superman was revived. Of course any series can only go downhill … see Game of Thrones or Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit.

I like Jar Jar Binks just because I like to piss people off.  Reminded me of my Mr Froggy rubber toy from when I was 6.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 23, 2020, 06:07:50 PM
I grew up with "Them", "The Thing from Another World", "Giant Mantis", "The Monolith Monsters", etc., so Star Wars was a huge advance.

https://www.forcesofgeek.com/2013/05/insect-fear-big-bug-movies-of-1950s.html
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Mike Cl on August 23, 2020, 06:15:46 PM
I grew up with "Them", "The Thing from Another World", "Giant Mantis", "The Monolith Monsters", etc., so Star Wars was a huge advance.

https://www.forcesofgeek.com/2013/05/insect-fear-big-bug-movies-of-1950s.html
And don't forget the Fly and The Attack of the Alligator People, and War of the Worlds.  I was still not that impressed with Star Wars.  When 2001 came out later, I was much more impressed.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 23, 2020, 09:17:59 PM
And don't forget the Fly and The Attack of the Alligator People, and War of the Worlds.  I was still not that impressed with Star Wars.  When 2001 came out later, I was much more impressed.
Not Big Bug Movies. Classics, but another genre. I put the upper limit for BBMs at "The Giant Gila Monster." (And yes, I did wander off my post but the link was dead bang-ish.)
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Blackleaf on August 23, 2020, 09:18:55 PM
On another note. I do think Disney ruined Star Wars interms of the mythology that made sense. Basically the idea of Jedis is they are good, Sith is corruption. And so its about human nature, the nature of good and evil. Disney treated it like it was politics, which completely missed the point of that mythology to begin with. Thats one thing about Disney take on it that i think was really bad.

That started before Disney, actually. If all you've seen is the movies, then it's understandable how you'd think the Jedi and Sith are simply good vs evil. But the extended lore (which Disney made non-canon) says otherwise. Of course, the Sith are undeniably evil, but the Jedi aren't blameless either, it turns out. This is actually a very important point in the plot of the video game Knights of the Old Republic 2.

I do hope they just calle Star Wars 7-9 spin off series. And get George Lucas back, and let him make the stories he wanted to complete from 7-11. He seemed to know how it was supposed to fit!

The fans would have hated George Lucas' sequel movies too, I'm sure. But if I can say one good thing about George Lucas, even though fans seemed to hate the prequels, those movies were at least were their own thing. He never self-plagiarized. He just repeated very general story patterns. The Disney Star Wars movies, however, feel rather restrained by comparison. They don't do much that is really new. Hell, they started off the new trilogy with a copy/paste plot of the original movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on August 23, 2020, 09:30:55 PM
That started before Disney, actually. If all you've seen is the movies, then it's understandable how you'd think the Jedi and Sith are simply good vs evil. But the extended lore (which Disney made non-canon) says otherwise. Of course, the Sith are undeniably evil, but the Jedi aren't blameless either, it turns out. This is actually a very important point in the plot of the video game Knights of the Old Republic 2.
From my understanding, the Sith are driven by emotions and it's weighed heavily towards negative emotions like fear and hatred.  And what's more, the Sith are obsessed with personal power - taking it from others and protecting it from challengers.  It makes for a very combative, dog-eat-dog sort of life.  The weak are crushed by the strong and the strong constantly vie for dominance.

The way the Sith are individually driven and collectively organized inevitably leads to ceaseless conflict.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2020, 10:32:16 PM
Vorlons vs Shadows .. what if the Shadows are anti-heroes .. Humans vs Minbari
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 24, 2020, 05:33:28 AM
I have tried and tried and tried to like this series.  I saw the first one the summer it came out.  Underwhelmed.  I mean it was a decent movie.  Nothing to get excited about.  My daughter forced me to see the one with Jar Jar Banks and was further underwhelmed.  I must be the only person in the world that doesn't much care for the series.

I liked the original trilogy as a kid, but as space and spaceships don't make sci-fiction it has faded away easily. If you like sci-fiction specifically maybe you feel the same? I mean when I was 12, I have 'encountered' with 2001: A Space Odyssey. It has rebooted my small mind and that kind of material didn't work for me since. While it is very different, the only exception is Firefly.

You can tell the story of Star Wars without carrying it to the galactic level too. I think that's why it got turned into a toy box eventually. It was already too thin... Like comic book movies. There isn't much you can do with that material. Hmm... probably why Matrix didn't affect me back then.

Having said all that I'm incapable of disliking Star Wars. I eventually see all of the movies made and then get confused about which one was which, lool. And as I've always loved Lego, that Death Star looks awesome!

 
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2020, 10:38:20 AM
Firefly was good too.  My daughter really liked it.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Blackleaf on August 24, 2020, 02:06:28 PM
From my understanding, the Sith are driven by emotions and it's weighed heavily towards negative emotions like fear and hatred.  And what's more, the Sith are obsessed with personal power - taking it from others and protecting it from challengers.  It makes for a very combative, dog-eat-dog sort of life.  The weak are crushed by the strong and the strong constantly vie for dominance.

The way the Sith are individually driven and collectively organized inevitably leads to ceaseless conflict.

True. But think about what really happened in the prequels. What led to Anakin's transformation into Darth Vader? The Jedi take children from their parents at a young age. Very young. So young that Anakin was almost turned away because he was "too old." They do this because they want the child to forget their attachments to their parents. The Jedi believe that having any attachments at all is bad. You're not allowed to love, not allowed to feel companionship, not allowed to care too much about anything. This is because the Jedi see forming attachments as a slippery slope to the Dark Side.

Of course, they ended up taking Anakin despite his...great age, because they thought he was the "chosen one," and they wanted to use him to their advantage. After years of keeping him away from his mother, he finds her dead. Then he learns that the love of his life, who had to keep secret, was in danger. The Jedi couldn't help him, so who could he turn to?

This is why I like the concept of the Grey Jedi, and why I'm disappointed the Disney movies never even mentioned them. The Grey Jedi balance both. They allow themselves to feel vulnerable, without giving in to negative emotions. They don't neglect their own needs, nor do they use their power to abuse others.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on August 24, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
True. But think about what really happened in the prequels. What led to Anakin's transformation into Darth Vader? The Jedi take children from their parents at a young age. Very young. So young that Anakin was almost turned away because he was "too old." They do this because they want the child to forget their attachments to their parents.
Which is super duper messed up imo.  Severing familial relationships to breed a better warrior "peacekeeper"... that's child soldier territory.

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The Jedi believe that having any attachments at all is bad. You're not allowed to love, not allowed to feel companionship, not allowed to care too much about anything. This is because the Jedi see forming attachments as a slippery slope to the Dark Side.
And the Jedi were apparently right about that, because his attachments to both his mother and his wife lead him down a very dark path.

But it's crazy to live without attachment (no offense to Siddhartha).  That's a big part of what makes us human.  Without emotion and attachment, people are... *gestures at separatist wardroids* like that.

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This is why I like the concept of the Grey Jedi, and why I'm disappointed the Disney movies never even mentioned them. The Grey Jedi balance both. They allow themselves to feel vulnerable, without giving in to negative emotions. They don't neglect their own needs, nor do they use their power to abuse others.
The gray Jedi are a whole new can of worms and a contentious topic in the star wars fandom.  Some say that they're a logical impossibility because the dark side represents imbalance in the force and the light side represents balance in the force.  And also because the driving forces behind each philosophy make impartiality impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4azz0ujlY4M

I really like the idea of a third faction between Jedi and Sith (I like characters who are shades of grey, so to speak) but I'm not sure if that would really jell with canon.  Though there do seem to be a few scattered examples of a kind of blurring of the line between dark and light - especially that Bendu entity in Star Wars Rebels.  *shrugs*
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Blackleaf on August 24, 2020, 04:16:46 PM
And the Jedi were apparently right about that, because his attachments to both his mother and his wife lead him down a very dark path.

But it's crazy to live without attachment (no offense to Siddhartha).  That's a big part of what makes us human.  Without emotion and attachment, people are... *gestures at separatist wardroids* like that.

Right. But imagine if the Jedi didn't try to keep Anakin from his mother, or tell him he wasn't allowed to fall in love. Anakin wouldn't have resented the Jedi for what happened, and he would have come to them for help instead of becoming a Sith.

The gray Jedi are a whole new can of worms and a contentious topic in the star wars fandom.  Some say that they're a logical impossibility because the dark side represents imbalance in the force and the light side represents balance in the force.  And also because the driving forces behind each philosophy make impartiality impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4azz0ujlY4M

I really like the idea of a third faction between Jedi and Sith (I like characters who are shades of grey, so to speak) but I'm not sure if that would really jell with canon.  Though there do seem to be a few scattered examples of a kind of blurring of the line between dark and light - especially that Bendu entity in Star Wars Rebels.  *shrugs*

The Jedi think they represent balance, but that was their fundamental misunderstanding in the prequels. The prophecy said that Anakin would bring balance to the Force, and they assumed that meant that he would help them. The prophecy wasn't wrong; they just misinterpreted it. The Force works in a cycle. One side takes dominance, and then the pendulum swings the other direction. The pendulum is the balance, and the only way to stop the cycle is for both the Jedi and the Sith to end. The existence of one necessitates the existence of the other. I think that's the idea they tried to convey in The Last Jedi.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: SGOS on August 24, 2020, 05:02:50 PM
I must be the only person in the world that doesn't much care for the series.
No, that's two of us. I have tried to like them, but I can't seem to find any meaning in them.  When I was a little kid I used to turn a wastepaper basket upside down and put my head in it and talk to myself, or I might talk to my mother.  It made my voice sound funny.  You should try it sometime, although I'm not sure that the plastic buckets of today would resonate the way the old tin ones did.  I think every little kid of my generation must have tried it at sometime.  So when I saw Darth Vader for the first time, I understood how they made his voice sound so strange.  But he never seemed like this evil monster.  He just sounded like a little kid talking inside a wastepaper basket.  My impression of Darth Vader was of a guy stuck in his childhood that still thinks it's cool to talk with a wastepaper basket over his head. 

And then there's this light saber shit.  Now I've got to admit, the concept is ultra cool with the zoom zoom sound and the way they extend when you switch them on.  And I could even understand some kind of Olympic light saber competition, but as a weapon of the future, you've got to be kidding me.  If some half wit from the future came at me with a light saber, I'd shoot him with my gun before he got within 30 yards of me and be done with it.  And those silly robots always reminded me of Laurel and Hardy.  In the heat of battle, a second rate comedy duo like Laurel and Hardy just doesn't work for me.

What frustrates me is that almost everyone thinks the series is great, and I feel like the odd one out, but I guess I should be used to that.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 24, 2020, 05:14:37 PM
These gey Jedi, is that why they weren't "allowed" to marry?
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Mike Cl on August 24, 2020, 06:19:05 PM
No, that's two of us. I have tried to like them, but I can't seem to find any meaning in them.  When I was a little kid I used to turn a wastepaper basket upside down and put my head in it and talk to myself, or I might talk to my mother.  It made my voice sound funny.  You should try it sometime, although I'm not sure that the plastic buckets of today would resonate the way the old tin ones did.  I think every little kid of my generation must have tried it at sometime.  So when I saw Darth Vader for the first time, I understood how they made his voice sound so strange.  But he never seemed like this evil monster.  He just sounded like a little kid talking inside a wastepaper basket.  My impression of Darth Vader was of a guy stuck in his childhood that still thinks it's cool to talk with a wastepaper basket over his head. 

And then there's this light saber shit.  Now I've got to admit, the concept is ultra cool with the zoom zoom sound and the way they extend when you switch them on.  And I could even understand some kind of Olympic light saber competition, but as a weapon of the future, you've got to be kidding me.  If some half wit from the future came at me with a light saber, I'd shoot him with my gun before he got within 30 yards of me and be done with it.  And those silly robots always reminded me of Laurel and Hardy.  In the heat of battle, a second rate comedy duo like Laurel and Hardy just doesn't work for me.

What frustrates me is that almost everyone thinks the series is great, and I feel like the odd one out, but I guess I should be used to that.
Wellllll..................I did not think I'd admit it, but I've done the waste basket thing a couple of times.  And now that you brought it up, Darth Vader does sort of sound like that. 

And now that you've mentioned the light saber thing, I was not all that impressed with it either.  A rifleman would take out any light saber you can think of.  It was an okay movie, but nothing grabbed me about it.  Carrie Fisher did not impress--not a big fan of her acting.  It was all just---meh, okay.

As for being the odd man out feeling, that's me.  My wife even thinks I'm weird--I just happen to see things different than most.  But it no longer bothers me and my wife happens to think the way I see the world is just fine--if odd--for her.  So, SGOS, that makes two of us. :))
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on August 24, 2020, 06:26:40 PM
Right. But imagine if the Jedi didn't try to keep Anakin from his mother, or tell him he wasn't allowed to fall in love. Anakin wouldn't have resented the Jedi for what happened, and he would have come to them for help instead of becoming a Sith.
Yeah, a case can definitely be made that that was on them.

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The Jedi think they represent balance, but that was their fundamental misunderstanding in the prequels.
Well, it's Word of God that light side represents balance in the Force.  I can't really disagree with that.

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The prophecy said that Anakin would bring balance to the Force, and they assumed that meant that he would help them. The prophecy wasn't wrong; they just misinterpreted it. The Force works in a cycle. One side takes dominance, and then the pendulum swings the other direction. The pendulum is the balance, and the only way to stop the cycle is for both the Jedi and the Sith to end.
They misinterpreted in the sense that they thought Anakin would end the Sith during the Clone Wars and thus the balance of the lightside would be restored.  In reality, he ended the Sith (temporarily) when he (temporarily) killed the Emperor decades later.  (Man, the sequels really screwed that up!)

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The existence of one necessitates the existence of the other. I think that's the idea they tried to convey in The Last Jedi.
Which is why I would have absolutely loved it if Rey had taken Kylo's hand and both of them decided to end this Light-Dark conflict and chart a new path together.  That would have been something new.  Plenty of Sith and plenty of Jedi have fought and won or fought and lost, but afaik no one ever fought and then made peace.  Johnson seemed to be going in that direction, but he didn't have the cahones to fully commit to this upheaval of the status quo that he had been hinting it the entire movie.  So frustrating!
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on August 24, 2020, 06:42:53 PM
And then there's this light saber shit.  Now I've got to admit, the concept is ultra cool with the zoom zoom sound and the way they extend when you switch them on.  And I could even understand some kind of Olympic light saber competition, but as a weapon of the future, you've got to be kidding me.  If some half wit from the future came at me with a light saber, I'd shoot him with my gun before he got within 30 yards of me and be done with it.  And those silly robots always reminded me of Laurel and Hardy.  In the heat of battle, a second rate comedy duo like Laurel and Hardy just doesn't work for me.
Imo, it's a mistake to think of a Jedi as just a guy with a glowy sword.  A lot of people have gotten killed that way.

Jedi normally have a wide range of what are essentially superpowers plus the standard heightened awareness, increased reflexes, and increased speed.  Imagine Usain Bolt combined with Muhammad Ali and at least a couple years of combat experience under his belt.  He'd be force to be reckoned with if he only had a slingshot and a couple sticks of gum.

Mandos had the right idea and used atypical, hard-to-dodge ranged weapons - flamethrowers, explosives, etc.  But even then, there's a good chance the Jedi could close the distance unharmed.

Imho, the best way of dealing with elite troops like that is to simply blow up their spaceship.  In space, most of their powers are worthless and they have to rely on the same equipment as anyone else to survive.  That's where they're most vulnerable.  Knock out their life support and they're just as dead as anyone else.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2020, 08:57:29 PM
The problem with anti-heroes?  They are made of anti-matter, touch anything and … Boom!
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 25, 2020, 06:22:08 AM
Regarding the sniper: The Jedi would know he's there, would know when he's fired, would know where to put the sabre to deflect the bullet. They do this all the time in the movies.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: trdsf on August 25, 2020, 08:40:46 AM
I'm extremely partial to the original trilogy (New Hope and Empire were masterpieces, Return was a big iffy in places but decent overall).  Aside from the big setpiece battles and Order 66, I didn't care for the prequels.  Except for Rogue One, which was pretty good with a hell of a beach battle and a memorable space battle.  I really wanted to like the sequels, and I think Force Awakens was decent, but Last Jedi and whatever movie came out after that were dumpster fires imho.
I'm with you.  The original trilogy is still the best of them and IMO, New Hope is still the benchmark.  Lucas had no idea if it was going to be a hit or not -- I'm not sure he had a goal other than proving Joseph Campbell was right.  He wasn't building (or worse, protecting) a franchise because despite having a whole story arc in mind, if SW:ANH had not been a hit there would have been no original trilogy, much less any prequels or sequels.

Empire was probably the better story, even though New Hope was the better movie.  Unfortunately, it suffered from the plague that affects almost all middle acts in a trilogy, not really having a satisfactory wrap-up and necessarily leaving things hanging for the next movie to resolve.

Return ended for me the first frame that showed an Ewok.  That marked the point of no return, the moment where Star Wars ceased to be a story to be told and became only a franchise to be marketed.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 09:34:44 AM
trdsf hated ewoks ;-(
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on August 25, 2020, 03:11:14 PM
I'm with you.  The original trilogy is still the best of them and IMO, New Hope is still the benchmark.  Lucas had no idea if it was going to be a hit or not -- I'm not sure he had a goal other than proving Joseph Campbell was right.  He wasn't building (or worse, protecting) a franchise because despite having a whole story arc in mind, if SW:ANH had not been a hit there would have been no original trilogy, much less any prequels or sequels.

Empire was probably the better story, even though New Hope was the better movie.  Unfortunately, it suffered from the plague that affects almost all middle acts in a trilogy, not really having a satisfactory wrap-up and necessarily leaving things hanging for the next movie to resolve.

Return ended for me the first frame that showed an Ewok.  That marked the point of no return, the moment where Star Wars ceased to be a story to be told and became only a franchise to be marketed.
I would have been okay with the Ewoks if they served to distract imperial forces and/or they provided much-needed aid to the rebel forces.  But as a frontliine military force...yikes.

It makes the imperial military look like a joke, undercutting its formidable reputation.  And it also makes the rebels looks desperate and horribly undermanned.  All in all, a bad look.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 25, 2020, 03:19:36 PM
Don't forget the Stormtroopers were supposed to let the rebel escape so they could be tracked back to their rebel hideout.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on August 25, 2020, 04:00:22 PM
Don't forget the Stormtroopers were supposed to let the rebel escape so they could be tracked back to their rebel hideout.
Yeah, in A New Hope, the stormtroopers are ordered to let the protagonists escape.

And throughout the whole original trilogy - there's a brilliant thing Lucas did with the imperials.  They're orderly and calm.  Tarkin is even superficially charming with Leia right before casually bringing up that he signed her termination order, like he just signed a lease on a new house.  The imperials have this aura of authority and control.  They're used to getting their way and treat with rebels with a mixture of disgust and pity, like a disobedient stepchild rather than a mortal adversary.

Compare that with the First Order where Hux is quite literally spitting as he yells his speech.  Kylo Ren regularly loses his cool, lashing out and slicing open some wall-computer like a petulant child.  That's because Hux and Kylo are not in control.  They are not confident.  They do not command much loyalty or respect.  They are pretenders, inferior copies of the actual empire - trying and failing to emulate their ancestors.

Such a Huxtaposition.  :P
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 25, 2020, 04:24:32 PM
They're the bridge between the old empire and the final order.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 05:57:35 PM
I would have been okay with the Ewoks if they served to distract imperial forces and/or they provided much-needed aid to the rebel forces.  But as a frontliine military force...yikes.

It makes the imperial military look like a joke, undercutting its formidable reputation.  And it also makes the rebels looks desperate and horribly undermanned.  All in all, a bad look.

Apparently you don't get that asymmetrical local guerilla forces always win in the long run (if aided by outside superpowers, like France helped Washington).  See Iraq.  Obama smartly agreed "it was a win" and withdrew.  George W was incapable of that, being the author of that stupidity.  We are still tying to declare victory in Afghanistan, and withdraw.  The inside story on the Ewoks is that they ate humans, same as wookies.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Blackleaf on September 08, 2020, 01:59:08 PM
One of the things I find most silly about the Star Wars movies is that droids were given their own language made up of beeps and boops. Some humans understand it somehow, but what if they don't? Well, then you have translator droids like C3P0. A solution to a problem that they created.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on September 08, 2020, 02:11:45 PM
One of the things I find most silly about the Star Wars movies is that droids were give their own language made up of beeps and boops. Some humans understand it somehow, but what if they don't? Well, then you have translator droids like C3P0. A solution to a problem that they created.
Translator droids were made to translate otherwise unintelligible alien languages (like german).  Presumably, astromech droids like R2D2 communicate in a way that's intelligible to pilots and people who have been around them for a while.  But yes, occasionally, protocol droids have to translate for an astromech droid.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2020, 04:13:09 PM
C3PO was the only way they could get a plausible British butler into the movie ;-)
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 08, 2020, 05:24:00 PM
One of the things I find most silly about the Star Wars movies is that droids were give their own language made up of beeps and boops. Some humans understand it somehow, but what if they don't? Well, then you have translator droids like C3P0. A solution to a problem that they created.
C3PO was a protocol droid. He had to know millions of languages to do his job.

Which was helping Anakin's mom do some damn thing.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on September 08, 2020, 06:50:30 PM
I think the prequels and the sequels would have been better had they simply had Timothy Zhan write them.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: the_antithesis on September 09, 2020, 12:55:09 PM
I hope we never get another Star Wars anything.

I liked the original trilogy well enough. Still do, I guess. But I don't care for any of the other movies.

The Mandolorian was OK. It felt more like Star Wars than any of the movies have since Return of the Jedi. But I'm not excited about the second season with that guy with the black light lightsabre. Fuck that noise. We almost got a Star Wars thing without a fucking lightsabre and they fucked it up.

So, fuck Star Wars. Fuck Star Trek. Fuck 2001 before they even get the idea to reboot and ruin that. I don't want any of it.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on September 09, 2020, 01:00:41 PM
I hope we never get another Star Wars anything.

I liked the original trilogy well enough. Still do, I guess. But I don't care for any of the other movies.

The Mandolorian was OK. It felt more like Star Wars than any of the movies have since Return of the Jedi. But I'm not excited about the second season with that guy with the black light lightsabre. Fuck that noise. We almost got a Star Wars thing without a fucking lightsabre and they fucked it up.

So, fuck Star Wars. Fuck Star Trek. Fuck 2001 before they even get the idea to reboot and ruin that. I don't want any of it.

Wakanda light saber?
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on September 09, 2020, 01:32:17 PM
I hope we never get another Star Wars anything.

I liked the original trilogy well enough. Still do, I guess. But I don't care for any of the other movies.

The Mandolorian was OK. It felt more like Star Wars than any of the movies have since Return of the Jedi. But I'm not excited about the second season with that guy with the black light lightsabre. Fuck that noise. We almost got a Star Wars thing without a fucking lightsabre and they fucked it up.

So, fuck Star Wars. Fuck Star Trek. Fuck 2001 before they even get the idea to reboot and ruin that. I don't want any of it.
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Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on September 09, 2020, 01:45:56 PM
Currently in the works:

Mandalorian season 2
Bad Batch animated series
Obi Wan live-action tv show

I'm excited.  Disney just needs to step back from Star Wars movies for a while (couldn't have picked a better year for that) and focus on TV.  They've had much more positive audience reaction there.  Then take their time and springboard to a movie or three down the line after they get a firm handle on just what it is they want to do and have a good script to work from - not a creative tug-of-war or half-finished mess.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Blackleaf on September 09, 2020, 04:12:17 PM
I don't understand Disney. Their trilogy was so expensive to make, it was ridiculous. And they invest none of that into a plot? First movie of theirs, they literally copy/paste the plot from A New Hope. Why? And now that we have all three movies and we can see the bigger picture, it doesn't even look like they had a plan. First film sets up all of these mysteries, second film shits all over those mysteries, and then the third movie brings those mysteries back again to give us unsatisfactory answers to them. Just WTF Disney? They could have done so much more with it. I know they're not done with the movies. They're going to milk the hell out of them. But now I don't even care in the slightest. I'm not going to see any more Disney Star Wars movies unless I hear from several sources that it is actually good.

Oh, yeah, and Disney also killed the Lucas Arts gaming studio in favor and selling EA exclusive rights to make Star Wars games. And in all this time we got...two good games? One single player game they forgot to cancel, and one online game that only became good well after release and a world-wide controversy forced them to calm down on the excessive microtransactions.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: PickelledEggs on September 09, 2020, 05:43:14 PM
I like to piss people off. 
Believe us, we are well aware.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on September 09, 2020, 06:15:00 PM
I don't understand Disney. Their trilogy was so expensive to make, it was ridiculous. And they invest none of that into a plot?
I know, right?  I've literally seen people on YouTube pitch much better plot outlines for the sequels.  You could probably buy the rights for $100 and a shoutout.

I can see how there'd be problems given the creative control hot potato and the need to please multiple generations of fans.  But still, what we got was pretty bad.  Take any character from Force Awakens (if you can recall their name) and plot their character arc.  Imho, there's like two and a half, three and a half tops.  Rey, Kylo, Luke (kinda), C3PO (kinda).  C3PO got a better character arc than Finn, ffs.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Baruch on September 09, 2020, 06:59:19 PM
If people behaved themselves, there would be no drama.

The studios can't take ideas from fan fiction, because then they won't own the rights to it.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 10, 2020, 07:40:01 AM
Plots require people to think. People don't like that.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 10, 2020, 11:00:58 AM
I hope we never get another Star Wars anything.

I liked the original trilogy well enough. Still do, I guess. But I don't care for any of the other movies.

The Mandolorian was OK. It felt more like Star Wars than any of the movies have since Return of the Jedi. But I'm not excited about the second season with that guy with the black light lightsabre. Fuck that noise. We almost got a Star Wars thing without a fucking lightsabre and they fucked it up.

So, fuck Star Wars. Fuck Star Trek. Fuck 2001 before they even get the idea to reboot and ruin that. I don't want any of it.

You're alive. Hi.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Blackleaf on September 10, 2020, 10:53:51 PM
C3PO got a better character arc than Finn, ffs.

The general consensus seems to be that Finn should have died flying into the laser drill. It would have provided a conclusion to that character, completing his character arc as he goes from Stormtrooper defector to half-heartedly supporting the rebellion because he doesn't know where else to go (even bailing when he thinks he's in danger), to choosing to die to protect the remnants of the rebellion. But they chose to keep him around because...reasons. And he does virtually nothing after that. He just kinda tags along, doing nothing of real importance, not growing in the slightest.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Hydra009 on September 11, 2020, 12:18:55 AM
I hate that trope.  I call it an almost-sacrifice (where a character appears to undertake a self-sacrificing act of heroism, but they're spared somehow).  Finn's almost-sacrifice is probably the worst just because of that cheesy line "We're going to win this war not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love."  You absolutely win wars by fighting what you hate.  In fact, that's a decent informal definition of war.  You fight a threat in order to protect people.

The third film had another almost-sacrifice with C3PO that really pissed me off because that weighty decision was undone at the end.  Serial characters need consequences.  Without consequences, their sacrifice has no meaning.  Without consequences, you have The Simpsons or I dunno, Jesus.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 11, 2020, 06:56:27 AM
OR you just have movies.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: PickelledEggs on September 11, 2020, 10:38:49 AM
Honestly, the only Star Wars thing I enjoyed other than the original trilogy was the Rogue One movie. That was great. It could have been a standalone, not even affiliated with Star Wars, though that scene with Vader slashing through all those rebels was fucking intense as all hell. I loved that. The whole movie was great. Story was very good, too.

The Force Awakens was weak, relying mostly on nostalgia. The second one that I would have to look up the name because of how forgettable it was, but don't feel like putting the effort in was even weaker than that. And The Last Skywalker was weak as well. Just incredibly underwhelming writing and directing overall.

The series seemed to also just throw in some characters played by non-white people, just for the sake of "diversity" (t.m.)
They didn't really have a pivotal role, in any way. They were just thrown in there so they could say "hey we are pro-diversity". It backfired too, because their roles were so inconsequential that the actors got bullied for it, even though it wasn't the actor's faults that they got cast for what happened to be roles that just flat out wouldn't have made a difference if they weren't there.

Star Wars became a clusterfuck. A genuine clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Star Wars movies
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 11, 2020, 10:57:02 AM
Have you seen any of the Three Caballeros movies?