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Title: Political Correctness
Post by: Kibla92 on August 22, 2020, 11:23:46 PM
He kinda makes a point there. Beware of the tricksters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_JCBmY9NGM

But for sake of argument. Kanye vs Trump 2020. Kanye wins. Just to end it once and for all. And then make it normalized on the intention of policy focus than identity card (you may be confused, well what about Obama? The whole idea is to get it off Democrats is my problem, they usually sell this as a thing than policies and legit problems, Kanye is its own independent party).

But i dunno. Just problem is people who have sexuality as a hobby kind of have to push people who dont normally care about it. Opinion policing online i see lots of time atleast.
- Expressing like this = bad

Just to mention few things. So it is easy to get annoyed by people who have sexuality as a hobby. One thing is being just this, one thing is to annoy people. Should be a civil rights movement is my problem, civil rights for it is fine. But its why i am anti LGBT, its mainly a political tool.

But curious to your views?

Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Mike Cl on August 22, 2020, 11:57:22 PM
I haven't a clue what it is you are rambling on about.  The only part I got was you are anti-gay, because it is only a political tool???  You aren't the sharpest tack in the box, are you?
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2020, 12:29:09 AM
That was pretty confused.  Let me respond on a different level.  Government is a legalized protection business.  Same as Mafia, but legitimized by political authority.  If we are speaking of political correctness, we aren't talking about traditional mores ... such as don't discuss sex, politics or religion in public.  Or don't go outside without any clothes on ;-)  Basically it is a new pressure tactic.  You conform culturally the way I want or you and your family "gets it".  Demands in the US by BLM for Whites to kneel, are an example of informal political correctness, by violent gangs.  When a government engages in this kind of protection (as opposed to ... pay your taxes or your family "gets it") ... that is a new angle on tyranny.  All government is official tyranny (and perhaps necessary for civilization) but private protection rackets are unofficial tyranny (and perhaps unnecessary for civilization).

From an American perspective, this is particularly obnoxious tyranny, but back in the day when the Freedom Of The Press only belonged to The Press ... it was easy for the government to regulate ... and apply protection rackets to the Press.  With the Internet, this has been blown apart in an unprecedented way.  Now anyone can be The Press!  This makes it much harder for control to be exerted by the government and its sub-organs (such as political parties).  Thus the modern period of Political Correctness has come about in the 21st century.

Doesn't matter what the point of correctness is ... the point is, that if you have an individual or group that you want to coerce, you find a pressure point ala karate, and threaten to apply pressure to it.  In fact, low level execution of pressure, is necessary for people to accept its reality.  Threat isn't sufficient, but that is applied too, in select cases (Wikileaks) ... "as a warning to others" ... capiche?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWqKPWO5T4o

In Sicilian Mafia this is called, Omertà = Sicilian for "humility" aka don't be a rat.  PC is "Omertà" via official government organs.  I don't agree with the comic.  In Sicily, he would have been told to stop, one time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDv4xUuKKF0

Of course, every tribe has official and unofficial gangs.  The typical danger of Islam is it is one huge merciless gang.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: trdsf on August 23, 2020, 01:52:52 AM
Sexuality as a hobby?  What the everlasting Technicolor fuck are you talking about?
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 23, 2020, 02:46:49 AM
Nothing new, it seems like he/she is trying not to sound too blatant in an atheist forum,lol. But then a religious person questioning 'political correctness' in this or any context is a laughing matter in itself. The ability of compartmentalisation in these groups is scarier than Korean horror movies.

I think he/she means that making LGBTQ+ rights (also racial identities...etc) a civil rights issue is nothing but a political tool because it is not a legitimate, real problem. A lot of people don't care or want to hear about it so why this is an issue at all? Esp. if you're anti-gay and racist and don't want to hear about it. After all, it is OK for these groupds out there because it is better than the barbaric conditions they lived before.

"Sexuality as a hobby" highly likely comes from the same idea as these people cannot comprehend the concept to begin with and obviously, if you're promoting, working for these issues, this is a 'sexual hobby' you have,lol. Because for example, you 'choose' to be gay. Or if he gets it, maybe 'why dont you live with your perversity in the shadows in silence' kind of logic?

As you all know, like Christian communites, almost all the Muslim communities claim that LGBTQ+ communities are fundamentally 'harmful' to societies in every sense. The modern 'sexual immorality' is obviously caused by LGBTQ+ groups and feminist sluts,lol. 
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2020, 04:11:14 AM
No, non-traditional behavior is caused by modernity.  Which will be eliminated in post-modernity ... which can only mean a return to pre-modernity.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Kibla92 on August 23, 2020, 12:23:06 PM
Nothing new, it seems like he/she is trying not to sound too blatant in an atheist forum,lol. But then a religious person questioning 'political correctness' in this or any context is a laughing matter in itself. The ability of compartmentalisation in these groups is scarier than Korean horror movies.

I think he/she means that making LGBTQ+ rights (also racial identities...etc) a civil rights issue is nothing but a political tool because it is not a legitimate, real problem. A lot of people don't care or want to hear about it so why this is an issue at all? Esp. if you're anti-gay and racist and don't want to hear about it. After all, it is OK for these groupds out there because it is better than the barbaric conditions they lived before.

"Sexuality as a hobby" highly likely comes from the same idea as these people cannot comprehend the concept to begin with and obviously, if you're promoting, working for these issues, this is a 'sexual hobby' you have,lol. Because for example, you 'choose' to be gay. Or if he gets it, maybe 'why dont you live with your perversity in the shadows in silence' kind of logic?

As you all know, like Christian communites, almost all the Muslim communities claim that LGBTQ+ communities are fundamentally 'harmful' to societies in every sense. The modern 'sexual immorality' is obviously caused by LGBTQ+ groups and feminist sluts,lol.

You are speaking from a leftist echo chamber view point and assume thats what i think

If you like girls or boys "depending on your gender.. then you are straight, gay whatever) thats just what you are. But if you have a chat group.. where that is all you talk about. Then its a hobby pure and simple, i mean you get the option of reading, studying or watching a cool movie.. or you can do something legit boring and talk about your sexuality 24/7... absolute worth it lol. Thats what i label sexuality as a hobby, unlike being who you are which is just your sexuality.

Also i dont believe gay is a choice either, but it isnt born either. Those are just talking point from religious/politicial activist wackos.

Scientifically you are born with a spectrum. The funny thing is if you trick your mindset you can be attracted to whatever if it works for your mindset. You arent magnetized is what i mean. Like you arent born a horse lover "which is illegal for good reason" point is you are born with a mental state. Thats what you are born with. Left wingers or right wingers who try to convince something that isnt there is so laughable to me

As if i believe gays are harmful. No. But i do believe degeneracy is harmful. Mental deficiency (thats a culture issue more or less). If anything only harmful thing with male on male homosexuality is Anal sex has high risk of AIDS. If it was me i would have warning label in Anal Sex porn or something along side that. Just like Smoking is warned of high risk of Lung Cancer. So should Anal sex be warned about for high risk of AIDS. Unless people think its cool for males to die though

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/analsex.html
Anal sex is the highest-risk sexual behavior for HIV transmission. Vaginal sex has a lower risk, and activities like oral sex, touching, and kissing carry little to no risk for getting or transmitting HIV. The vast majority of men who get HIV get it through anal sex. However, anal sex is also one of the ways women can get HIV.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: aitm on August 23, 2020, 01:53:45 PM
“Also i dont believe gay is a choice either, but it isnt born either“

You should try reading a little about it. You know, educate yourself before you embarrass yourself. 1 out of every 1000 children +/- are born with both male and female genitalia to varying degrees. This alone destroys your ignorance of, “but it isn’t born either”. Can you tell me which sex is a first born infant who has both an Inney and an outey? No, nor can actual doctors who may specialize in it -hint: no one really specializes in it, nor can anyone. The child will not develop a sexual identity for many years. But the doctor whacks off the outey or sews up the inney, and proclaims “voila! A girl!” Your ignorance suggests the child will automatically become a girl because she has an inney.
Really, your ignorance is not stunning, but it is typical. If physical androgyny exists so does psychological ( for lack of the more precise word) androgyny. Seriously, educate yourself before you prove you’re an idiot.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: aitm on August 23, 2020, 01:55:43 PM
You may want to google Anne Fausto-Sterling. She is a pretty good expert on sexual androgyny.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Kibla92 on August 23, 2020, 02:51:43 PM
“Also i dont believe gay is a choice either, but it isnt born either“

You should try reading a little about it. You know, educate yourself before you embarrass yourself. 1 out of every 1000 children +/- are born with both male and female genitalia to varying degrees. This alone destroys your ignorance of, “but it isn’t born either”. Can you tell me which sex is a first born infant who has both an Inney and an outey? No, nor can actual doctors who may specialize in it -hint: no one really specializes in it, nor can anyone. The child will not develop a sexual identity for many years. But the doctor whacks off the outey or sews up the inney, and proclaims “voila! A girl!” Your ignorance suggests the child will automatically become a girl because she has an inney.
Really, your ignorance is not stunning, but it is typical. If physical androgyny exists so does psychological ( for lack of the more precise word) androgyny. Seriously, educate yourself before you prove you’re an idiot.

You are born as you. Thats the reality of it. Some like shooters video games, some dont. Thats the answer

If you refer to transsexualism, i just label that stupid roleplaying. Because all you do is taking your fantasy into reality and ruining functional organs for sake of it. As a kid i wanted to be Simba from Lion King.. that doesnt mean i should actually remove what aint broken. Since transsexualism i just consider real life roleplaying that people take too far.

But if you are above 18, then its your life. But it should be criminal for people doing it to kids. Thats child abuse.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Mike Cl on August 23, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
You are speaking from a leftist echo chamber view point and assume thats what i think

If you like girls or boys "depending on your gender.. then you are straight, gay whatever) thats just what you are. But if you have a chat group.. where that is all you talk about. Then its a hobby pure and simple, i mean you get the option of reading, studying or watching a cool movie.. or you can do something legit boring and talk about your sexuality 24/7... absolute worth it lol. Thats what i label sexuality as a hobby, unlike being who you are which is just your sexuality.

Also i dont believe gay is a choice either, but it isnt born either. Those are just talking point from religious/politicial activist wackos.

Scientifically you are born with a spectrum. The funny thing is if you trick your mindset you can be attracted to whatever if it works for your mindset. You arent magnetized is what i mean. Like you arent born a horse lover "which is illegal for good reason" point is you are born with a mental state. Thats what you are born with. Left wingers or right wingers who try to convince something that isnt there is so laughable to me

As if i believe gays are harmful. No. But i do believe degeneracy is harmful. Mental deficiency (thats a culture issue more or less). If anything only harmful thing with male on male homosexuality is Anal sex has high risk of AIDS. If it was me i would have warning label in Anal Sex porn or something along side that. Just like Smoking is warned of high risk of Lung Cancer. So should Anal sex be warned about for high risk of AIDS. Unless people think its cool for males to die though

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/analsex.html
Anal sex is the highest-risk sexual behavior for HIV transmission. Vaginal sex has a lower risk, and activities like oral sex, touching, and kissing carry little to no risk for getting or transmitting HIV. The vast majority of men who get HIV get it through anal sex. However, anal sex is also one of the ways women can get HIV.
Well, I'll be damned.  You are religious.  I'd guess Muslim; but it matters not, for you are displaying a rotten mind.  Or no mind at all.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2020, 05:28:36 PM
Medical transsexualism or hermaphroditism are complicated, real and rare.  In UK there is a push for Identity Politics Transsexualism, that isn't a medical condition but an attempt for big hairy men to intrude in the women's restroom as a part of their Left politics (ironically not something that should be considered a virtue signal).

All sex is highly dangerous, particularly the heterosexual kind vis-à-vis pregnancy.  My favorite warning sign would be one on the forehead that says Nobody At Home ;-)

One doesn't decide how to be born, but one is responsible for how you act out who you are.  So in the first case the Right is wrong, and in the second case the Left is wrong.  False dichotomy means you are being played by the Elite (who all act like Caligula).
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Draconic Aiur on August 23, 2020, 06:43:15 PM
Troll spotted.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Cassia on August 23, 2020, 08:11:41 PM
After such insightful posts, it is a reverse miracle that all atheists didn't convert immediately.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Blackleaf on August 23, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
I don't think he's a troll. He may be religious, but I'm not going to jump to that conclusion either. I think he's just another one of those Alt-Righter types, who thinks blue-haired college kids are the worst threat in the modern world.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: aitm on August 23, 2020, 09:16:58 PM
You are born as you. Thats the reality of it. Some like shooters video games, some dont. Thats the answer

If you refer to transsexualism, i just label that stupid roleplaying. Because all you do is taking your fantasy into reality and ruining functional organs for sake of it. As a kid i wanted to be Simba from Lion King.. that doesnt mean i should actually remove what aint broken. Since transsexualism i just consider real life roleplaying that people take too far.

But if you are above 18, then its your life. But it should be criminal for people doing it to kids. Thats child abuse.
Mindless of the old wise saying about not opening your mouth thus proving you're an idiot, you jump headlong into a pile of stupid. Another wise saying is " don't argue with an idiot, an observer may not be able to tell the difference". Suffice it to say you should look for a forum where ignorance is preferred, you will find plenty of idiots there who agree with stupid shit.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2020, 10:19:53 PM
After such insightful posts, it is a reverse miracle that all atheists didn't convert immediately.

Convert to what?  He is pretty unclear, probably because he is young.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2020, 10:21:45 PM
I don't think he's a troll. He may be religious, but I'm not going to jump to that conclusion either. I think he's just another one of those Alt-Righter types, who thinks blue-haired college kids are the worst threat in the modern world.

Lenin was one of those blue-haired kids.  His brother was an attempted assassin.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: trdsf on August 24, 2020, 03:07:56 AM
Well, whatever he on the religious and political spectra, he's just another whackjob who's way too obsessed with what other people are doing with their various bits, as if it's any of his business to begin with.

Ah, and there's the hollow *plonk* noise of someone being dropped into my twitfilter... haven't heard that in a while.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 24, 2020, 04:12:27 AM
Kibla92 First of all, everything you've posted in this forum in the last couple of days has been posted hundreds of times before in the last two decades. Not just by religious people, by people from every kind of groups around the world. So you are not giving people something new or different or even some sort of an argument to discuss. You're expressing a sort of world vision that is seen in people who are raised and live in a closed or half closed community, maybe even a minority in limited interaction with the main culture. Which is OK. This could be political, religious, social...hell it could be a friend circle.

The point is, when people live like that they perceive the world from a certain filter. Think about standard Hollywood movies that have been made since its invention. You know them, right? Same kind of people, same kind of looks, same kind of colours, jobs, social dynamics, forms of behaviours, houses, cars... Of course, it is entertainment, show business so people want to see something they are not and they don't have. It's fantasy after all. But it is not that simple. Because it's always been promoted as the ideal standard, norms to reach a certain class that only mattered, again served for the needs and dreams of a certain class and people.

Now, the right wing politics and religious groups' world-life visions are very similar to those Hollywood movies. It's an imposed set of norms which has nothing to do with real life, real people. Because that's how you write or say something like 'I'm anti-gay'. It looks like a proper sentence that conveys a meaning but it has no meaning.

Anyway, relatively a short time ago, a certain kind of knowledge has started to become avilable to most people which has always been a very slow process in human history without the mass media technologies we had in this period of time. Not to mention that an event like 9/11 created many other fields and different aspects, changed the meaning of concepts, belief and religion. (I don't care who did it or made it happen.)

This reception of knowledge, information has created an unprecedented scale of mess. In a very ironic way, the dreams of 19th-early 20th century philosophers have actually come true and a huge amount of people realised that -consciously or unconsciously- religion is bullshit. Belief systems are bullshit. This happened so silent and hard in fact, religions have been trying to upgrade themselves to get along with this. Not the scripture obviously, but then that's why you pointed out hadiths instead of direct excerpts from the book. Because they're open to interpretation and they're the social politics of that religion.

Sure, the movements - for example like New Atheism- were started by the same class I wrote above; right wing, white, heterosexual male, educated, middle or high class... then it got fragmented into some other groups; gender, minority and race based groups and 'collapsed'. And all those 'subgroups' are being demonised and blamed for a 'downfall' by a group of people of a specific identity since.

But contrary to the common belief, this fragmentation and the eventual 'collapse' actually happened BEACUSE THE MOVEMENT(S) WORKED. Not because it failed. It's just the figures -who lead those main movements; who holds the mic- and the group of people who share their profile don't get the fact that their own identity and its politics can't stay in that status while pushing every kind of people from every kind of identity profile to see the world in a new light, helping them to realise everything they have defined themselves -consciously or unconsciously- is a result of a rotten, made up order which belongs to an old, obsolete world. Can you follow this? Naturally, the first thing they've asked was "What about me?". That's how human works. and I don't mean this as just selfishness or egoism which are natural human traits. They've started new movements, groups, get loud and push and push. Get in to everything. Thank fuck. Good or bad. Stupid or insane. It doesn't matter, this is how the giant turtle moves.

And of course, naturally they also created their polar opposites and people have shifted far opposite in the spectrum. Religious or atheist, all right wing brain teams are perfectly aware of this dynamic. Actually, I'll go further and claim that they have seen the picture before and better than the left. They just don't give a damn about making policies for people; including everyone into everything because it is against their benefit and profit. It's against the nature and the way these ideologies work. You can't do that and be right wing (or impose your belief system). That's why right wing policies cannot administrate societies, let alone countries in the 21st century. There are so many new terms invented for the system they desire, but it is just fucking oligarchy.

So this is why identity politics and civil rights -which were always been a part of every politics in every culture- have gained an incredible momentum.

Why is it everywhere? Why it is pushed into everything? Because it has always been about everything and in everywhere. This, as a knowledge has been realised more than a hundred years ago, again by first class people; white het males; philosophers. It's just become available to common people in the simplest sense. And everybody is seeing it from their own perspective. Now, today everything is 'personal' because every gadget you use is programmed to show you whatever you like or want to be/have. Anything or anyone out of it, can be damned.

What's happening now as a whole -the kinesis if you will- is not something original or even new. It's just our species' epic scale  narcissism and six year old sense of urgency makes us feel this way. It has happened countless of times in different scales through out history in different forms.

Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2020, 10:04:39 AM
@drunkenshoe … good essay, but this guy probably is too young to know much of your adult vocabulary.  Give him another 10-20 years ;-)
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Blackleaf on August 24, 2020, 01:40:44 PM
People are demanding equal treatment under the law, and this asshole dismisses it as a "hobby." Gee, I wonder what sexuality he has. It's easy to be dismissive of others' problems when you never have to worry about having those problems yourself.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2020, 08:33:04 PM
People are demanding equal treatment under the law, and this asshole dismisses it as a "hobby." Gee, I wonder what sexuality he has. It's easy to be dismissive of others' problems when you never have to worry about having those problems yourself.

I reject the law .. I am a Democrat ;-)
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on September 01, 2020, 06:07:16 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqnfmCu6fUk

Burn the media
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on September 03, 2020, 09:57:19 PM
"Armstrong: The NY Times Supported Stalin & Communism As The Way To The Future" .. Pulitzer Prize winning commie, Walter Duranty.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on September 04, 2020, 02:30:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/aWOl6Ti.jpeg)
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 04, 2020, 04:59:21 AM
Convert to what?  He is pretty unclear, probably because he is young.

Or grew up and living in a very closed, tribal society. No individuality. He probably feels like very rebellious and accomplishing something with posting here all that.
Title: Re: Political Correctness
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2020, 11:34:54 AM
Or grew up and living in a very closed, tribal society. No individuality. He probably feels like very rebellious and accomplishing something with posting here all that.

Adults - cancel all the children
Abortion Clinic - hold my beer