I dont mean to sound like a jerk.
I dont hate jews. Example of role models who happens to be jewish (Matt Stone, Barry Goldwater) Basically two on my top list who are great.
But if we are being honest.. Judaism and Aryanism..(nazism) ideologically speaking.. are pretty much the same. Only reason Jews never did mass genocide, is because they failed at it. Germans simply succeeded.
And interms of world history they do tend to hog on holocaust while other tragedy has happend.
But religious freedom is important. And people shouldnt be hated for who they are.. But the fact that nobody draws those parallells is weird?. If someone even has Read the Old Testament on the supremacy of that race, selected by God's People, and the destruction of others.
Just saying, its pretty similar to Aryanism.
They share same common goal. Except Jews cant do it. Individuals may not be bad. But culturally speaking.... there is lots of stuff i could say about it.
To make it easy. Made a new religious cult. God of Obvious Good and Evil. Idea is to promote obvious good and not obvious evil.
And protestantism as a culture has helped science more than devotion cultures like Catholicism and sunni islam did, because they have work to do, inorder to spend your life on earth to get to heaven. Protestantism is just "belief in Jesus "thats it, allows you to breath and do other works. Culturally it has helped more in European history. So its either degeneracy culture which is bad, or devotion culture which makes people backward.
In the end. What is your view on it?
Actually your post doesn't make you a jerk. It makes you a supporter of free speech.
The question of various forms of White supremacy over the last 150 years, and Jewish supremacy over the same time period is very complicated. But I will give you a short neutral answer ...
To what extent are people defined by ethnos (ancestry) or ethos (culture)? Some people have very tribal responses to this, probably most people today do, and for almost all of history, that was the case. To what extent does an Aryan represent an ethnos or ethos? Same thing for a Jewish person. Are they self identified, are they raised that way, does their biological ancestry matter?
If you are referring to the German national socialism vs Israeli national socialism ... and both societies were/are chauvinist socialisms ... there is a similarity. Adolf Hitler and Ze'ev Jabotinsky were both militant socialists for whom "the ends justify the means". With one, Judaism must be resisted by violence. The other, anti-Semitism must be resisted by violence.
To what degree any of this is "legitimate" or "moral" is arguable of course. Being of party Germanic ancestry, I am split over German militancy. Being of Jewish ethos (but not much ethnos) I am split over Israeli militancy. You are correct, that often the legitimacy of the thing is based on whether its objectives are met, however undesirable they might be. Niall of the Nine Hostages and Genghis Khan are examples ;-)
First, it's generally a good idea to introduce yourself (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?board=2.0) before you start making arguments like this. Second, no, I don't think they are the same at all. Judaism is a remnant of ancient tribal culture. It's not so much that they hate people who aren't Jews, but that they have to do what they can to ensure their own survival. Aryanism, on the other hand, is a recent phenomenon. It's not just about the survival of your tribe any more. It's about feeling superior because of your color, and being prejudiced against people who look different. The idea that you can organize people by something as trivial as melanin concentration, considering how divided white people had been in the past, is very strange.
To be frank, I find it annoying how some Christians hold Jews on a pedestal, because they are supposedly "God's chosen people." The Jews are not special, holy people. But I don't think they would have done anything like what the Germans did, if given the chance. Yes, I know the Hebrews of the Old Testament are far from rolemodels, but the Old Testament is not a history book. The Hebrews were basically the underdogs for their entire existence, and I think any stories about them utterly destroying their enemies in battle are just power fantasies. More importantly, modern Jews have not shown themselves to be dangerous. Not like the white supremacists were, or still are.
First thread and it's about the joooz and Germany and Aryanism. Big Red flag.
noun: kibla
the direction of the Kaaba (the sacred building at Mecca), to which Muslims turn at prayer.
So, are you Muslim?
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 18, 2020, 07:14:56 PM
noun: kibla
the direction of the Kaaba (the sacred building at Mecca), to which Muslims turn at prayer.
So, are you Muslim?
It was a random name i picked. I make hadith audiobooks (to better inform people "less lies from media, politicians" but no i aint.
Was raised in Norway by Christian parents. I aint a christian but my family is. Church of Norway is Evangelical Lutheran.
I have a bit of Danish viking myself, my ex has a bit of Norwegian viking. Like leaven, a little goes a long way ;-)
Quote from: Kibla92 on August 18, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
It was a random name i picked. I make hadith audiobooks (to better inform people "less lies from media, politicians" but no i aint.
Was raised in Norway by Christian parents. I aint a christian but my family is. Church of Norway is Evangelical Lutheran.
Kind of a weird 'random' in my view. Yeah, Sweden is also Lutheran--my mother's parents were both from Sweden. But grandpa was NOT Lutheran--he had only disgust for it. Grandma did not care one way or the other.
One would have to accept the OT as factual to proclaim what you suggest. The OT even if could be proven true does not show such grand mass scale “murder†as suggested. Remember this is sill a remote part of the world comparatively, millions at that time didn’t even know the existence of the rest of the world. Jewish ego aside, “gods chosen peopleâ€,=the reality of the OT shows god was not particularly effective in their own region and decidedly impotent to the rest of the world.
Your suggestion that they are similar to the Nazis is rather a telling view on how you place Judaism as a great and powerful religion while that simply is not the case. Perhaps you are choosing to make Judaism larger than it is.
That all, said, it is well known that if one wished to spend the time, and I imagine someone already has, due to ego, one would find that “per capita†the Jewish people has and rather large lead over other religions in practically all science, technology, arts and most other subjects.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 19, 2020, 12:47:28 AM
Kind of a weird 'random' in my view. Yeah, Sweden is also Lutheran--my mother's parents were both from Sweden. But grandpa was NOT Lutheran--he had only disgust for it. Grandma did not care one way or the other.
That explains your inherited depression? Northmen are never happy people.
Quote from: aitm on August 19, 2020, 08:56:23 AM
One would have to accept the OT as factual to proclaim what you suggest. The OT even if could be proven true does not show such grand mass scale “murder†as suggested. Remember this is sill a remote part of the world comparatively, millions at that time didn’t even know the existence of the rest of the world. Jewish ego aside, “gods chosen peopleâ€,=the reality of the OT shows god was not particularly effective in their own region and decidedly impotent to the rest of the world.
Your suggestion that they are similar to the Nazis is rather a telling view on how you place Judaism as a great and powerful religion while that simply is not the case. Perhaps you are choosing to make Judaism larger than it is.
That all, said, it is well known that if one wished to spend the time, and I imagine someone already has, due to ego, one would find that “per capita†the Jewish people has and rather large lead over other religions in practically all science, technology, arts and most other subjects.
Invasion of the Sea Peoples ... war wasn't just for sailors, but landlubbers too. Even earlier if you count the Hyksos as Semites, they count as proto-Jews.
The prequel to the Bible ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rn9b7Z1ZnQ
Where historical Israel came from, and the context ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF2GGbx9eg4
Per the OT, the Philistines were war like and had iron tools/weapons. Israelites had to trade with them to get iron tools (iron plow blades would have been particularly useful in their rocky soil). The rise of the initial Israel Kingdom was to defeat the Philistines and to be able to make their own iron implements. Famously, David was a shepherd who only had sling stones. Only a king had proper armor and weapons, like Saul.
The success of the later Neo-Assyrian Empire, led to the adoption of the Aramaic alphabet and language for state records, cuneiform being relegated to the scholarly. Persia conquered Assyria, and adopted this same state tool (Aramaic). Persian control and later Greek control of Mesopotamia, led to the eventual eclipse of cuneiform, Babylonian and Assyrian. Greek was then the administrative language under Alexander and his successors, until the coming of the Islamic hordes, and Quranic Arabic took its place.
Meanwhile, Hebrew became eclipsed by Aramaic also, becoming a scholarly language during the Roman period. But the NT was composed in Greek by Hellenistic Jews.
Primary sources, mentioning the Apiru and Shosu ... from the reign of monotheist, Pharaoh Akhenaton.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEtQAN896vs
This older lecture ... fails to mention that Hebrew = Canaanite/Ugaritic. Amorites = Hyksos. Byblos = Bible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdHWyNn5HEM
This had a cultural impact, thru the Moses faction (Kohens and Levites) who had no tribal territory in Israel. The Bible of course came much later, is an anthology, is like a Hollywood movie (based on real events) haha. Modern versions like Prince of Egypt animation, is a Hollywood movie based on a real book.
I'll take a Jew over a Nazi any day. They are hardly paragons of virtue, but after the Holocaust, they're probably not ready to start taking shit from anyone. I suppose they should be more forgiving, but they chose to live in a hostile corner of the world. Why they would choose to live in a desert filled with people who make an ideology out of hating them, I'm not sure. Yeah, I know there's a controversy over who started being dicks first. But Nazis? Get real! Jews don't even come close on the dick scale.
If Hitler were still alive, all the Jews would be gone, and he'd be hunting down Arabs.
Quote from: SGOS on August 23, 2020, 08:40:34 AM
I'll take a Jew over a Nazi any day. They are hardly paragons of virtue, but after the Holocaust, they're probably not ready to start taking shit from anyone. I suppose they should be more forgiving, but they chose to live in a hostile corner of the world. Why they would choose to live in a desert filled with people who make an ideology out of hating them, I'm not sure. Yeah, I know there's a controversy over who started being dicks first. But Nazis? Get real! Jews don't even come close on the dick scale.
All Gentiles are evil? Many Jews think so.
Quote from: Kibla92 on August 18, 2020, 03:24:19 PM
I dont mean to sound like a jerk.
Oops.
And playing the "Just As Bad As" game only works with people who agree with you.
Quote from: SGOS on August 23, 2020, 08:43:29 AM
If Hitler were still alive, all the Jews would be gone, and he'd be hunting down Arabs.
But didnt Hitler consider Islam to be better than Christianity though, which he saw as weakness.. The whole "Forgiveness part" atleast. Sort of undermining the true human spirit.
I dont know what his racial theories was about arabs. But he atleast saw Aryans as superior
Quote from: Kibla92 on August 29, 2020, 12:12:36 PM
But he atleast saw Aryans as superior
I guess it depends upon which Aryan he was thinking of. The first Aryans came from what is now India. Hitler did not mean those. His master race were white--preferably blonde and blue eyed.
Quote from: Kibla92 on August 29, 2020, 12:12:36 PM
But didnt Hitler consider Islam to be better than Christianity though, which he saw as weakness.. The whole "Forgiveness part" atleast. Sort of undermining the true human spirit.
I dont know what his racial theories was about arabs. But he atleast saw Aryans as superior
You give Hitler too much credit, he was a student of Machiavelli. He would have become a trans-sexual if it gave him absolute power to fulfill his vision of German Destiny.
Hitler's view was formed by watching Wagner and reading Nietzsche (as interpreted by Nietzsche's even more crazy sister). The context then, was no Arabs in Germany, but lots of Jews, lots of Christians, and a pagan past. So Hitler took up Luther's jihad against the Jews, to suborn the Catholic and Lutheran churches in Germany. The guy who was more into identity politics, was Himmler. Set up a castle in a forest (like Castle Wolfenstein the video game) to initiate the upper echelon of the SS. They drank Jewish blood (it seems) as part of the ceremony. Not unlike the worldwide pedophile ring among the Elite. You can't be Elite, unless you transgress (see Tantra).
Hitler had Turkey as a critical neutral ally. He had the Grand Mufti of Palestine as an ally. Germany had an active alliance with Turkey in WWI. Why was Gen Rommel going to the Middle East? Not for Critical Race Theory. For oil and for The Suez Canal ... the oil in SW Persia was already pumping.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 29, 2020, 12:28:05 PM
I guess it depends upon which Aryan he was thinking of. The first Aryans came from what is now India. Hitler did not mean those. His master race were white--preferably blonde and blue eyed.
Hitler's anthropology was based on "wacked" German anthropologists, they believed in Atlantis (which had to have been Sweden).
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 29, 2020, 12:28:05 PM
I guess it depends upon which Aryan he was thinking of. The first Aryans came from what is now India. Hitler did not mean those. His master race were white--preferably blonde and blue eyed.
Though i would assume he would consider Semites as sub humans, considering his racial theories on Jews. Still messed up more or less.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 29, 2020, 12:28:05 PM
I guess it depends upon which Aryan he was thinking of. The first Aryans came from what is now India. Hitler did not mean those. His master race were white--preferably blonde and blue eyed.
Aryans is more a idea of people living in certain area. Some went to Europe. Some was in Iran and some in India.
I guess the question is what qualified as an Aryan? My guess its probably highly mythological at best
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration#/media/File:IE_expansion.png
Then there is this part.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_peoples
Which i think is more culture related
Quote from: Kibla92 on August 29, 2020, 12:36:32 PM
Though i would assume he would consider Semites as sub humans, considering his racial theories on Jews. Still messed up more or less.
Do you believe every political advertisement? Got your car from Crazy Joe's Used Politician lot? Himmler may have taken this seriously, but he was a psycho school teacher, not even a post-card painter.
In the 19th century, lost continents were in vogue. Check out Lemuria ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemuria_(continent)
It had become unlikely, given better geographical and hydrological data, that there was a vast continent off of Gibraltar. That original idea, of Plato, was probably Thera ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption
Though there are other places subject to tsunami which are also candidates, even Dwarka, the kingdom of the god Krishna ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarka
Which at least tied into Lemuria. Basically any unknown geography (see Shangri-La) can be a lost kingdom in the 19th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangri-La
1800-1900 was a fun time, in the respect that Earth geography wasn't fully known, including the Amazon, and one could get all Romantic about it. Got Indiana Jones?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lost_City_of_Z_(film) and there is another one in Central America.
Quote from: Kibla92 on August 29, 2020, 12:36:32 PM
Though i would assume he would consider Semites as sub humans, considering his racial theories on Jews. Still messed up more or less.
Trump echos much of Hitler's hatred of nonwhite. For some reason, those ideas have never left us.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 29, 2020, 12:54:15 PM
Trump echos much of Hitler's hatred of nonwhite. For some reason, those ideas have never left us.
I hope you can find shelter with Ms Dolezal (sarc). How about Woke hatred of Trump? It is OK to do "blackface" in Canada I hear.
Quote from: Kibla92 on August 29, 2020, 12:12:36 PM
But didnt Hitler consider Islam to be better than Christianity though, which he saw as weakness.. The whole "Forgiveness part" atleast. Sort of undermining the true human spirit.
I dont know what his racial theories was about arabs. But he atleast saw Aryans as superior
I'm gonna need a source for that.
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You don't sound like a jerk. You don't sound like anything. I'm sure you think it is your own voice and you feel like people are paying attention to you because you're saying something but that's not the case. We -very different people all around the world with very different opinions, backgrounds, some have decades on you- have heard them all countless times, in several different eras. The words and concepts you keep using don't mean what you think they mean.
But eventually, that level of lack of perspective and willful ignorance turn other people into jerks. Apparently this was your first thread, but people are just being nice to you so far. If this is was a religous forum you would be banned after posting the first thread of the sort. That's a little hint about 'perspective' for you in simple terms.
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Our yarmulkas give us super powers.
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Same argument can be said about people who blame white Europeans in America and Europe though for all evil in the world.
Which one is more dumber to you? If there is something to criticize, thats fair, for me i dont like white liberal culture "atleast the crazy part of it" in USA. But jews gets more protection for whatever reason
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Ethnochauvinism, racism, tribalism ... the usual suspects ;-)
I can quote the conspiracy theories, but they are all wrong.
It is an open question, should there be an ethnically pure ethnostate? Well, Japan is a working example. The US is attempting the opposite.
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2020, 04:09:36 PM
Ethnochauvinism, racism, tribalism ... the usual suspects ;-)
I can quote the conspiracy theories, but they are all wrong.
It is an open question, should there be an ethnically pure ethnostate? Well, Japan is a working example. The US is attempting the opposite.
I am not much a believer in such. I just think people should condemn supremacy movements all together, and be anti crime etc.
But somehow leftism seem to have their own for of supremacy movement. Just doesnt make much sense to me
Well to be more exact.. In USA atleast. "Maybe UK but i dont think its that crazy as USA"
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 04:40:50 PM
I am not much a believer in such. I just think people should condemn supremacy movements all together, and be anti crime etc.
But somehow leftism seem to have their own for of supremacy movement. Just doesnt make much sense to me
Well to be more exact.. In USA atleast. "Maybe UK but i dont think its that crazy as USA"
A naturally ethnocentric monoculture is one thing (but Norway speaks two different written forms of Norwegian) ... Japan is perhaps a purer example. Koreans and Burakumin exist there. And Shinto is the default ethnographic-religion, with Buddhism added by those who like that, also Christianity (provided it is purely private, not politic). Japanese new religions (mostly derivative of Buddhism) flourish, but again as long a they are not politically disruptive. This is wholly different from the US (excepting Native American tribal religions). So if you are deeply Norwegian, the US is crazy.
Now to take a more pluralistic country like Germany, which has multiple kinds of Germans, and earlier many Jews ... and wasn't even a modern country before 1870 ... that was bound to be a mess, if you impose a fictional ethnocentric monoculture. Would you support the eradication of the Sami, or the eradication of one of the two Norwegian orthographies (bokmål and nynorsk) aka rubbing out Danish historical influence? Seems if you want to be a pure Viking you have to move to Iceland and speak their language ;-) But I think human hubris isn't going anywhere.
Quote from: Baruch on September 04, 2020, 05:02:16 PM
A naturally ethnocentric monoculture is one thing (but Norway speaks two different written forms of Norwegian) ... Japan is perhaps a purer example. Koreans and Burakumin exist there. And Shinto is the default ethnographic-religion, with Buddhism added by those who like that, also Christianity (provided it is purely private, not politic). Japanese new religions (mostly derivative of Buddhism) flourish, but again as long a they are not politically disruptive. This is wholly different from the US (excepting Native American tribal religions). So if you are deeply Norwegian, the US is crazy.
Now to take a more pluralistic country like Germany, which has multiple kinds of Germans, and earlier many Jews ... and wasn't even a modern country before 1870 ... that was bound to be a mess, if you impose a fictional ethnocentric monoculture. Would you support the eradication of the Sami, or the eradication of one of the two Norwegian orthographies (bokmål and nynorsk) aka rubbing out Danish historical influence? Seems if you want to be a pure Viking you have to move to Iceland and speak their language ;-) But I think human hubris isn't going anywhere.
Arguments from Norwegians i have talked on forums is they say "Languages change over time" but i overall wouldnt mind changing to Icelandic since it kind of is more true to the roots of norse language. But i aint complaining
But i think its overall better if people try to help where they are. And find the good vs bad ideas. I can believe all cultures are equal.. Just that not all values in cultures are good. Some are good, some are bad.
Probably could make a wall rant on what the ultimate way would be politically and religiously. Although the easiest answer is usually, religion is private affair, and politics is usually trying to do what is best for people who live there. I think that makes mostly sense to me. Interms of infrastructure, better schools, more job opportunities etc. Atleast i would think that would be better for future generations atleast. Depending what skills one has.
Yes, reasonable people have means to make things better. I don't consider you a troll, just a young adult.
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 03:49:35 PMSame argument can be said about people who blame white Europeans in America and Europe though for all evil in the world.
And this argument has been made by...who? No one. You've just been told that liberals hate white people, and like a good dog, you eat that shit up and assume it is true without an ounce of skepticism.
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 05:57:14 PM
And this argument has been made by...who? No one. You've just been told that liberals hate white people, and like a good dog, you eat that shit up and assume it is true without an ounce of skepticism.
In USA this is a culture though. Its a self loathing culture for whatever reason. And i think they are actively pro crime too over there. ( I mean they dont say they are... usually try to hide it, saying "you cant blame these people or.. police are bad")
Basically when i think of white liberals in USA. I tend to think of Death Wish 3 movie, where people loot, steal, kill as a daily habbit.
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 06:09:30 PM
In USA this is a culture though. Its a self loathing culture for whatever reason. And i think they are actively pro crime too over there. ( I mean they dont say they are... usually try to hide it, saying "you cant blame these people or.. police are bad")
Basically when i think of white liberals in USA. I tend to think of Death Wish 3 movie, where people loot, steal, kill as a daily habbit.
You're living in a fantasy world. Rather than watch videos from the Alt-Right, who put words in Liberals' mouths to strawman them and make them look bad, try using your brain and ACTUALLY LISTENING to what Liberals are saying?
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 05:57:14 PM
And this argument has been made by...who? No one. You've just been told that liberals hate white people, and like a good dog, you eat that shit up and assume it is true without an ounce of skepticism.
Most liberals hate themselves (imperfect) and society (imperfect) ... change my mind. Black liberals of course hate Black people, for being imperfect.
People who post here, only like science fiction and only when it matches their fantasies. Better adjusted people love themselves and society, even if they are imperfect. And have a broader church when it comes to fiction.
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 06:11:46 PM
You're living in a fantasy world. Rather than watch videos from the Alt-Right, who put words in Liberals' mouths to strawman them and make them look bad, try using your brain and ACTUALLY LISTENING to what Liberals are saying?
I dont have to listen to alt right.
David Dorn was killed by looters during Black Lives Matter riots who loot and ruin shops. Its real, not fiction
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
I dont have to listen to alt right.
David Dorn was killed by looters during Black Lives Matter riots who loot and ruin shops. Its real, not fiction
He was a good man. Like my nephews ... one is a cop, the other is a fireman. But there are no facts unless it comes from CNN. So for deniers, David Dorn never existed, or if he did, he wasn't killed, and even if he was killed, he wasn't killed by rioters, and even if he was killed by rioters, both major parties aren't using these riots for their won evil agendas.
But then, there is no morality, no legality, no ethics. Just do whatever you want and DAMN the results. It is what nature calls us to do.
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
I dont have to listen to alt right.
David Dorn was killed by looters during Black Lives Matter riots who loot and ruin shops. Its real, not fiction
A black man was murdered by someone robbing a store, therefor Liberals hate white people? Do you think before you hit send? You know the advantage of forums vs verbal dialog is you can stop and review what you're saying before making it public.
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 06:25:23 PM
A black man was murdered by someone robbing a store, therefor Liberals hate white people? Do you think before you hit send? You know the advantage of forums vs verbal dialog is you can stop and review what you're saying before making it public.
So who is pro crime though? Ask yourself that question. Who is misunderstood all the time. The victim? Or the criminal?
It depends what they define as criminals. White liberals are ok with hating sexists. But if its murder for the sake of socialism, some social justice bullshit.. oh then its something else
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 06:25:23 PM
A black man was murdered by someone robbing a store, therefor Liberals hate white people? Do you think before you hit send? You know the advantage of forums vs verbal dialog is you can stop and review what you're saying before making it public.
Nothing that ever happens, is the fault of the Dems, unless it is higher employment etc. Cherry picking ass. Joe Biden didn't kill David Dorn. As far as I know, Hitler never killed anyone personally. See, everyone is an altar boy!
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 06:29:58 PM
So who is pro crime though? Ask yourself that question. Who is misunderstood all the time. The victim? Or the criminal?
It depends what they define as criminals. White liberals are ok with hating sexists. But if its murder for the sake of socialism, some social justice bullshit.. oh then its something else
What are you talking about? You're starting to sound like Baruch now, starting a conversation about one thing, and then retreating to some completely different topic when you get pushback.
You want to talk about murder? How about a white militia being welcomed by the police, resulting in peaceful protesters being shot at and killed? Did the police stop the violence, or did they let that white supremacist go home, and only arrest them after people pressured them to do so? Again, you're living in a fantasy world. Wake the fuck up and stop acting like an idiot.
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 06:47:50 PM
What are you talking about? You're starting to sound like Baruch now, starting a conversation about one thing, and then retreating to some completely different topic when you get pushback.
You want to talk about murder? How about a white militia being welcomed by the police, resulting in peaceful protesters being shot at and killed? Did the police stop the violence, or did they let that white supremacist go home, and only arrest them after people pressured them to do so? Again, you're living in a fantasy world. Wake the fuck up and stop acting like an idiot.
Peaceful protesters is a lie made up by democrat mouth pieces. Usually when they say peaceful protesters they mean riots, murder and stuff.
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 06:49:15 PM
Peaceful protesters is a lie made up by democrat mouth pieces. Usually when they say peaceful protesters they mean riots, murder and stuff.
You're a hopeless moron. I just told you a concrete example of a white supremacist murdering people, and the police doing nothing about it, and you're still focused on the theoretical murders. I'm done talking to you. It's clear you're broken beyond repair.
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 06:52:01 PM
You're a hopeless moron. I just told you a concrete example of a white supremacist murdering people, and the police doing nothing about it, and you're still focused on the theoretical murders. I'm done talking to you. It's clear you're broken beyond repair.
Any form of supremacy is stupid. One should condemn any form of it.
George Floyd was a criminal, but putting knee on neck may not be best way to do it, unless one is into homicide. Or seems to be a tactic that can be fatal if one have health problems. So should be better way to arrest people
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 06:52:01 PM
You're a hopeless moron. I just told you a concrete example of a white supremacist murdering people, and the police doing nothing about it, and you're still focused on the theoretical murders. I'm done talking to you. It's clear you're broken beyond repair.
Either case. Problem lies with culture. White liberals in USA have shit culture that encourages crime and attacking helpless people and lying constantly. Not saying Republicans are clean, if anything worst thing i could think of is "God hates fags" people or those zealous people, but white liberals get away with so much more in the name of "We are good guys" interms of media encouragement to deceive. Same way communism did in past. You got this one guy in power there would be no poverty... but what fun would that be? You got him in power, now he is a dictator and has all the power
Its like leftism as a culture has a culture of deceit.
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 06:09:30 PM
In USA this is a culture though. Its a self loathing culture for whatever reason. And i think they are actively pro crime too over there. ( I mean they dont say they are... usually try to hide it, saying "you cant blame these people or.. police are bad")
Basically when i think of white liberals in USA. I tend to think of Death Wish 3 movie, where people loot, steal, kill as a daily habbit.
Trying to figure out what you are trying to say is impossible. When you say: "Basically when i think..." There you are again--lying still. I have never gotten the idea you are capable of that--thinking.
Quote from: Blackleaf on September 04, 2020, 06:47:50 PM
What are you talking about? You're starting to sound like Baruch now, starting a conversation about one thing, and then retreating to some completely different topic when you get pushback.
You want to talk about murder? How about a white militia being welcomed by the police, resulting in peaceful protesters being shot at and killed? Did the police stop the violence, or did they let that white supremacist go home, and only arrest them after people pressured them to do so? Again, you're living in a fantasy world. Wake the fuck up and stop acting like an idiot.
Yes, millions of invisible KKK members (cloak of invisibility better than bed sheet) marching on Washington DC. Sorry I haven't seen this yet ;-) A lot of Wakanda fans in the US (an invisible high-tech African kingdom).
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 06:49:15 PM
Peaceful protesters is a lie made up by democrat mouth pieces. Usually when they say peaceful protesters they mean riots, murder and stuff.
Didn't have to be that way. Peaceful protestors who are actually peaceful, are an annoyance, but not a problem. Both parties love to use rioters for their own purpose. CIA/Soros is happy to supply them.
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 07:02:18 PM
Any form of supremacy is stupid. One should condemn any form of it.
George Floyd was a criminal, but putting knee on neck may not be best way to do it, unless one is into homicide. Or seems to be a tactic that can be fatal if one have health problems. So should be better way to arrest people
Abort them as embryos? G-d has the omniscience, but doesn't do that. We could simply keep dangerous people locked up permanently, since most of these criminals have priors.
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 04, 2020, 03:49:35 PM
Same argument can be said about people who blame white Europeans in America and Europe though for all evil in the world.
Oh, those poor oppressed white people! How will we ever survive being poked fun at for not understanding all the fucked up shit we benefit from!? Nevermind the Jews who got gassed, the blacks who got enslaved, the Muslims who get bombed,
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THOSE POOR OPPRESSED WHITE ANGLO-SAXON PROTESTANTS!?
When I had to do some work for Amtrak, we had to attend their “safety†indoctrination. The first thing they said was, “Rule number one is that trains can come from any direction at any timeâ€. The absurdity of that statement was obvious, but the simpleness of it is practical application. And then along comes Kibbles here and low and behold, that train indeed is off the rails and going in all kinds of direction, like the operator does not have any control over it......that seems about right.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 05, 2020, 01:48:36 AM
Oh, those poor oppressed white people! How will we ever survive being poked fun at for not understanding all the fucked up shit we benefit from!? Nevermind the Jews who got gassed, the blacks who got enslaved, the Muslims who get bombed, WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THOSE POOR OPPRESSED WHITE ANGLO-SAXON PROTESTANTS!?
Those poor oppressed millionaire Black athletes! Yes, not all Blacks are athletic, except running from the cops.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on September 05, 2020, 01:48:36 AM
Oh, those poor oppressed white people! How will we ever survive being poked fun at for not understanding all the fucked up shit we benefit from!? Nevermind the Jews who got gassed, the blacks who got enslaved, the Muslims who get bombed, WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THOSE POOR OPPRESSED WHITE ANGLO-SAXON PROTESTANTS!?
What solution do you have then? Revenge? Burning down stores, looting and stealing, and just have a garbage government that burns stuff down? Yeah... Good job! I am sure you'll be a great posterboy for helping the world that way. Just blame it on people instead of actually helping the world develop.
Hey instead of helping people where they are. We should just burn stores down. THAT WOULD SHOW THOSE WHITE SUPREMACISTS lol.
Quote from: Kibla92 on September 05, 2020, 05:53:55 PM
What solution do you have then? Revenge? Burning down stores, looting and stealing, and just have a garbage government that burns stuff down? Yeah... Good job! I am sure you'll be a great posterboy for helping the world that way. Just blame it on people instead of actually helping the world develop.
Hey instead of helping people where they are. We should just burn stores down. THAT WOULD SHOW THOSE WHITE SUPREMACISTS lol.
This is exactly what happened in the US in 1965-75, when the Dem IRA acted up then as now, and Detroit never recovered (because the White folk didn't all commit SJW suicide over their guilt for Thomas Jefferson's fooling around with his favorite slave girl). We are in the middle of the new 1960s aka 2015-25 so give this another 5 years of stupidity.
I suppose it is possible to draw a parallel between ANY two groups that have some principle of exclusivity.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on September 06, 2020, 02:46:20 PM
I suppose it is possible to draw a parallel between ANY two groups that have some principle of exclusivity.
We are very distantly related (Homo Erectus) but not closely. Off to the caves with you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcvph-dpfE
The Shah was a good tyrant, not a bad tyrant. That is really what separates D and R parties, neither consider the People to be worth anything.
There are those who say the Shah was anything but good, which is why there was eventually an Ayatollah.
I often wonder when 4 years after Ayatollah how many Iranians looked about their country and asked themselves, “ what the hell did we do?â€
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on September 06, 2020, 04:15:50 PM
There are those who say the Shah was anything but good, which is why there was eventually an Ayatollah.
He wasn't an Eisenhower etc ... but then I wouldn't expect an absolute monarch to be like that. But his position to reform from was much worse than Eisenhower (segregation) ... illiterate superstitious peasants. It was possible for him to have worked with the real conservatives ... and keep the monarchy, but like King Louis XVI, he reformed just enough to lose control.
Quote from: aitm on September 06, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
I often wonder when 4 years after Ayatollah how many Iranians looked about their country and asked themselves, “ what the hell did we do?â€
Those people had already been murdered or fled from the Revolutionary Guards ... you know, those folks that General Suleimani was leading.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFUH7oLH0pk&list=PLVWo-klYYtYWF2hoGkUODIo0iDiXsBnkt
By a young Iranian girl who lived thru it.
My grandfather was in the US Army in Iran 1943-45.
The present rhymes with the past.