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Title: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Mike Cl on July 27, 2020, 10:58:22 AM
Those two terms (including 'left' and 'right') get bandied around a lot.  But what do they mean?  I get the feeling that each person who uses one of those terms has their own idea of what those terms mean.  This is what they mean to me.
Liberal comes from 'liberty' and conservative mean 'to conserve).  As a liberal, I think personal freedom and liberties are the most important.  That is in contrast to the conservative who wants to keep what was; change is bad.  I think of both terms in relationship to the French Revolution.  The revolt was mainly against the Divine Right of Kings--all leaders are appointed by god, therefore what they do and how they do it is with the graces of god.  The liberals wanted to liberate themselves from that type of government and system.  Later came the conservatives who wanted to conserve traditional institutions, including the Divine Right of Kings.  Government is to keep the playing field even, to protect all citizens and changes with the times.  I see conservatives rely much more on tradition--traditional institutions are best and should be maintained.  Change is of questionable use.  Religions are naturally conservative since they have found the truth and all the answers.  Why is one reason christians support trump because he has been anointed by god to be the leader of the US. 

I also realize there is no such thing as a 'pure' political system.  All have good points and bad points.  But I think govt. should be based on a constitution (much like ours, only followed more closely than we follow ours) that emphasizes individual freedoms and the role and responsibility of govt.  And the role and responsibility of citizens.  Anyway, I am not pure liberal, for I think some socialist, conservative, communist, and others types of govt should all be in the mix.  If that makes me a leftist, then I embrace that label.  Extremes on any side are not healthy and I distance myself from extreme left or right.  Yet I see the extreme right to be much more violent.   
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 11:59:42 AM
War of Semantics ... basic to War of Propaganda.  Words are meaningless in the minds, mouths and pens of humans.  Animal grunts.

We have discussed this here in the past, about no agreement on jargon (aka hope to escape the confusion of regular language).  If there is no agreement on terms, then then any discussion is avoided between aware people, only sheeple are fooled, because of misuse of meaning.

Bottom line?  Behavior.  I don't care how you define "is" ... if what you "is" is someone at my front door with a gun.

"Every Communist must grasp the truth, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party." ... Mao Tse Tung

This is why American politics is Maoist.  Why we are re-doing the Cultural Revolution of the 60s.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Hydra009 on July 27, 2020, 12:39:48 PM
Going over the history and the evolution of these strains of political thought would be incredibly time-consuming and complex.  Suffice it to say that they both stem from the Enlightenment, reject the divine right of kings, and favor a representative democracy form of government.

Probably the defining feature showcasing how they've diverged is their view of social/political change.  Broadly speaking, liberals tend to advocate for reform while conservatives tend to be skeptical of such reform and have a more traditionalistic bent.

Over time, the American parties have picked up specific policy platforms - abortion, guns, gay marriage, climate change, etc.

Imho, there are currently 3 big issues that are pretty telling on which side of the fence a person lies:  the role of religion in society and government (should "people of faith" lead government?), is immigration overall a good or bad thing?, and do we need a "strong leader (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism)" to preserve the republic and crackdown on violators of social norms?
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 12:47:00 PM
The only "people of faith" is US government, is "faith" is corrupt politics and corrupt globalist corporations/banking.  Controlled immigration is good for the US, less good for Europe (they are overpopulated).  But both government and corporations and universities want to export all jobs to China, and import all the Chinese students to our universities.  This forces down American wages, American unions and enables graduate school corruption of the universities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CCde6TAKdw

The problem isn't conservative/liberal, but stupid conservative/stupid liberal.  Robber baron Jay Gould bragged in 1886, that he could hire “one-half of the working class to kill the other half,” and he proved he was right in the first strikes of the Knights of Labor.  This is where the modern R/D fake dichotomy comes from.

We have an implied dictatorship ... Deep State style.  The US hasn't been a democracy since 1963.

"DC Think Tank Behind Steele Dossier" ... Deep State Hillary Clinton behind Deep State Christopher Steele behind fake Russian sources.  The CIA should simply rule directly, end all elections, literally eliminate the middle men/women.  Brookings/Danshenko.  Danshenko is Ukrainian, not Russian, and lives in the US.

“Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone.” - Frederick Bastiat
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 01:59:03 PM
'Fiona Hill is a British American foreign affairs specialist and academic. She is a former official at the U.S. National Security Council specializing in Russian and European affairs. She was a witness in the November 2019 House hearings regarding the impeachment of President Trump." ... we allowed an MI6 operative in the WH.  Not a bright move by Trump.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Sal1981 on July 27, 2020, 02:26:54 PM
Took 48 minutes in to get to language confusion being weaponized, ala Russell conjugation. Otherwise interesting vid.

Eric Weinstein's take on current leadership class, as he calls it, are spot on. When the (inteligensia) leaders are found lying for whatever reason, why should we listen to them further? If leaders can't show humility when being shown wrong and instead double down, any support and credibility they used to have is thrown out the window.

Anyways, left and right political convictions are often cited as being opposites, when they're really about methodology; how to govern.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
First families rule ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BusdooE10vQ
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Hydra009 on July 27, 2020, 06:21:52 PM
Anyways, left and right political convictions are often cited as being opposites, when they're really about methodology; how to govern.
Interesting.  Please elaborate.

Imo, in the US there is a certain boilerplate political campaign.  "I'm against bad things and for good things.  I like America and apple pie.  Vote for me and together, we can do vague good stuff!"  If you put your thumb over the party affiliation, it can sometimes be hard to tell who is affiliated with which party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rouDIzhgVcY

That has shifted somewhat lately.  Now, it's pretty noticeable.  I'm picking the two most insane and extreme examples here to really highlight the differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO9YnMXsp0A

Note the emphasis on a multiracial community and the M. Knight Shyamalan twist at the end.  :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ZwhgeFvf0

Emphasis on guns and dislike of Marxism.

I had an even crazier one, it was modern but shot like it came out of the early 80s with a similar ideology.  Some female candidate in some heartland state ranting about America the beautiful and Jesus.  Sadly, I lost the link a long time ago.  Just as well, it was so off-the-rails that I think it might have been a clinically-diagnosed crazy person.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Mike Cl on July 27, 2020, 07:18:05 PM
Going over the history and the evolution of these strains of political thought would be incredibly time-consuming and complex.
That is very true.  Semantics figure in here a lot.  I think I developed backward.  My folks were not much into politics, but always voted Democrat.  But did not talk about it.  So I grew up with vague notions about it all.  In college I was actually for the Vietnam war because of the domino effect and was very anti-commie.  Then I was drafted, begged off a year longer from the service because I was already registered in my classes.  Did more background research into Nam and slowly realized it was not really about communism.  And I began to realize that that word, 'communist' was a loaded word.  It was used in different ways for different purposes, while nobody really defined it.  Much like Baruch using the word as a club without really knowing what it is nor what it stands for.  My intro into political propaganda and sound bites.  I have to kind of chuckle; in college, at least at first, I was a Nam fan--go get em.  When I was drafted and in the US Army (I was hoodwinked by the Army Intelligence Agent I talked to prior to my being drafted.  Because of my history degree he suggested I become an Army Intelligence Field Agent and I agreed, so it cost me another year of service and I was no longer technically a draftee--I figured it would keep me out of Nam.  Yeah, not too bright in those days.)  I was anti-Nam.  Catch-22 became my bible. 

Anyway, left and right are much like the term commie; a charged word, one that is used and one is simply supposed to accept it as it is being used by the person uttering them.  I don't use them much.  I do label myself as a liberal for I think of the root word, liberty, and that is what I think is best--being as free as one can be.  I think conservative as being the opposite of what I think of myself as.  They like to conserve what is, and do not want to change it.  Without change we cannot move forward and improve as a society. 

To dig into any of these words is a complex task, one I'm not into at the moment.  But I do find it funny that I was more conservative as a younger person.  I find I am becoming more and more liberal as I age.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 09:34:13 PM
Yep, some people stand on their heads ;-)  I was more liberal in the past, thought that only LBJ was evil, not all Democrats.  Was a Democrat myself for 20 years.  I have never feared, hated or oppressed gay people for example.  So what label does that make me?  It has been posted before, all these labels obscure thinking, not clarify it.  Except as slogans for brainless armed militias.

So what triggers you?  Who is your "baby Hitler"?  Varies based on personal history and personality.  Unlike some, I never spent any childhood in the Deep South ... never lived anywhere in pre-1975 segregation.  Did live a few miles from Compton, so a few more miles from Watts, in 1965.  Otherwise none of the inner city got close to me, until I was 34, when I lived in a Hispanic gang neighborhood for awhile, then moving to a inner city Asian neighborhood (Japanese American retirees though).
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Hydra009 on July 28, 2020, 01:10:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vJ15Ox0.jpg)

Imo, this is pretty much sums up the left-right divide in the US.  Both sides are hurting from the same problems, but where they place the blame is different.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 28, 2020, 03:56:45 AM
Those two terms (including 'left' and 'right') get bandied around a lot.  But what do they mean? ...

They have disintegrated (I don't know which word to use) today while once they were solid categories? These concepts are main categories defined by historians in the end. It got employed and re-employed... They seem telling more about the times they were invented, not what people want them to refer to when defending the ideal system of governance they believe.



Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 28, 2020, 11:03:35 AM
They have disintegrated (I don't know which word to use) today while once they were solid categories? These concepts are main categories defined by historians in the end. It got employed and re-employed... They seem telling more about the times they were invented, not what people want them to refer to when defending the ideal system of governance they believe.

Any governance by a party not mine ... kill them!

Yes, communism brings free medicine, see Cuba.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Sal1981 on July 28, 2020, 02:39:23 PM
Anyways, left and right political convictions are often cited as being opposites, when they're really about methodology; how to govern.
Interesting.  Please elaborate.
It's part of viewing it as a political science (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_science).
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Hydra009 on July 28, 2020, 02:52:32 PM
Yeah, I know poli sci is a thing.  I was asking about how exactly republicans and democrats govern differently, what's different about their methodology.  I kinda feel like that's what you were writing about.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 28, 2020, 04:53:10 PM
Yeah, I know poli sci is a thing.  I was asking about how exactly republicans and democrats govern differently, what's different about their methodology.  I kinda feel like that's what you were writing about.

Both work for the same criminal billionaires.  One is status quo (which aids the Elite) and one is pseudo-change-to-status-quo (which aids the Elite).  Each is controlled opposition, per Jay Gould.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 29, 2020, 05:02:15 AM
Any governance by a party not mine ... kill them!

Yes, communism brings free medicine, see Cuba.

No, I don't mean it like that.

Think about words like 'absolutism'. Doesn't matter who uses it; an ordinary person, a historian, a politician... what it exactly tells today when used? There is a definition in books yeah...but where it fits now? What are we describing with it.

A completely different angle. Art. On the last couple of decades -more?- hyperrealism is on the rise. Why? Because I can show people a 'traditional' kind of painting and they would all find different qualities in it art wise, unless it showed strict traits of some  modern art movement. But in/after contemporary art, while that would be only imitating, refering or borrowing a style in general sense, you don't get that reaction with hyperrealist paintings. It's what it is as in artistic expression.

Everything was percieved as solid and stable once has been dissolving so fast, people want to see/feel some stability; something that doesn't change under any circumstances and hold on to it. OK, I don't want to use that word but yeah the freaking postmodernism...*Runs.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2020, 10:16:52 AM
The Fourth Turning ... where people are on rotisseries over camp fires?  That is Trot (inevitable worldwide revolution).  All revolutions are managed, by someone, for the benefit of those someones.  Sometimes the peasants temporarily benefit, as in the 1381 Peasant Revolt where they went to the London court house (see Portland) to not only kill the lawyers, but to burn the debt records.  People who are maxed out on their credit cards and are desperate ... too bad the records are electronic and probably stored in a server in Greenland.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on July 31, 2020, 11:24:30 AM
"PATREON JUST LOST MAJOR CULTURE WAR LAWSUIT AND FACES THE MOST EPIC GET WOKE GO BROKE EVE" ... per California law, any dissatisfied Patreon user in California can file suit, and with each suit filed, Patreon has to set aside $10,000 bail money to be handled by the state of California.  If enough Californicators do this, Patreon is closed.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: aitm on August 01, 2020, 11:32:16 AM
Today, the truth is in the eyes of the beholder. Your are indeed, apparently
, entitled to your own facts.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2020, 12:47:35 PM
Today, the truth is in the eyes of the beholder. Your are indeed, apparently
, entitled to your own facts.

Columbus, Italian hero or European terrorist.  Dems ... traitors or freedom fighters (now or in 1861).
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: PopeyesPappy on August 05, 2020, 08:00:22 AM
Anyway, left and right are much like the term commie; a charged word, one that is used and one is simply supposed to accept it as it is being used by the person uttering them. 

I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.

What many liberals that like to label conservatives as fascists fail to realize is that fascism was originally a progressive movement. Mussolini was originally a socialist not a conservative.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 05, 2020, 08:28:45 AM
I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.

What many liberals that like to label conservatives as fascists fail to realize is that fascism was originally a progressive movement. Mussolini was originally a socialist not a conservative.

Yeah, the idea that democrats actually want Soviet style communism or that republicans want Nazi style fascism is very attractive to binary-brained morons. Aside from them however I do think that many have shifted farther away from the center because we have a clueless, divisive idiot in office. He does not represent traditional conservative values (such as personal responsibility). I think moderate conservatives are finally starting to see this and will reject him this election.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2020, 08:37:57 AM
I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.

What many liberals that like to label conservatives as fascists fail to realize is that fascism was originally a progressive movement. Mussolini was originally a socialist not a conservative.

True fascism has never been tried ... bwahaha.  Just like true communism.  Democrats use pages right out of Mao's little red book.  Fact ... all Americans deserve to die (eventually).  Die one at a time or all on the same day ... choose wisely.

Correct, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin are the most progressive of the 20th century, with Russia and Italy leading Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurism ... old cultural Marxism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-futurism ... new cultural Marxism

Nazis vs Stalinists were good cop/bad cop.  California Dems want to repeal civil rights so they can declare Black people the master race.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_16
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Mike Cl on August 05, 2020, 09:13:03 AM
I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.

What many liberals that like to label conservatives as fascists fail to realize is that fascism was originally a progressive movement. Mussolini was originally a socialist not a conservative.
I agree.  And I'd also suggest there is no such thing (in the classical sense) as democracy, republic, communist, socialist or any other label for any government.  All of them have taken parts of this and parts of that.  The US is often labeled a democracy; it has never been that.  The closest we can come I think is calling it a constitutional republic.  Anyway, trumps view of what he wants to establish would be a lifelong dictator.  He really doesn't care about labels and simply wants his way all the time.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: SGOS on August 05, 2020, 09:15:59 AM
Yeah, the idea that democrats actually want Soviet style communism or that republicans want Nazi style fascism is very attractive to binary-brained morons.
There is good in bad in all types of the common "...isms", but some people have learned (or decided) that that their ideology is purely good and wholesome, and all other ideologies are purely bad and evil.  When a person advocates an unadulterated ideology and rejects all others, say like Ayn Rand, he or she is an extremist in love with one part of an ideology, without seeing it's flaws.  Ayn Rand was a binary thinker to the point of actually being stupid.  And her vision was so narrow that her ideology never really caught on.  The flaw was too obvious to those who were not caught in the binary trap.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2020, 09:16:56 AM
I agree.  And I'd also suggest there is no such thing (in the classical sense) as democracy, republic, communist, socialist or any other label for any government.  All of them have taken parts of this and parts of that.  The US is often labeled a democracy; it has never been that.  The closest we can come I think is calling it a constitutional republic.  Anyway, trumps view of what he wants to establish would be a lifelong dictator.  He really doesn't care about labels and simply wants his way all the time.

This would be the product of long term MJ use?  Groovy.

Anyone who is a "critic" of society, wants to control the government in a tyrannical way.  And all tyrants want absolute power.  Maniacs.

As Socrates would say, democracy is Athenian bullshit.

Americans are binary thinkers.

"DEMOCRATS PUSHED NYC INTO A DEATH SPIRAL, CUOMO BEGS WEALTHY PEOPLE TO RETURN AS MORE FLEE FAR LEF.." ... let the Dems eat the rich first, no fair going to Connecticut/New Jersey to avoid cannibalism.  De Blasio won't give a permit for Blue Lives Matter street art in front of NYPD HQ, but BLM doesn't even need a permit for their street art.  Guantanamo for all the Dem leaders.  Because there aren't enough padded cells.

Dem lawyers are planning on challenging every election at every level, that they don't win ;-)  Soros is funding this.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
Brilliant summary ...

"People instituted governments to protect themselves from bandits, thieves and slavers. But then the smartest bandits, thieves and slavers found a way to infiltrate governments in order to use governmental power to continue to screw innocent people over by stealing from them and enslaving them."
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Hydra009 on August 06, 2020, 03:26:49 PM
I feel much the same about the fascist label. True fascism doesn't exist in today's modern western world. Sure people like Trump and many others are using pages right out of Mussolini and Hitler's playbook. Rhetoric about nationalism and trying to make victims out of the majority, but that doesn't make them facists.
While that is broadly true - I would add that modern neo-nazis are quite unlike their historic brethren -  it is still pretty disturbing to see the rise of the "alt-right" with its attendant nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment, appeals for a "strongman", and even publicly floating the idea of an "ethnostate" (e pluribus unum, what's that?)

There have also been calls - not from loonies, but from actual elected officials - to curtail the "lying press" and targeting several non-white representatives to "go back where they came from".  Spoiler: most of them were born in America.

We even get oddly suspicious stuff like photoshopping a Jewish rival's nose to appeal to a racist caricature (https://gizmodo.com/republican-senators-campaign-accidentally-photoshops-je-1844527600).

Perhaps this shouldn't be viewed as a simple binary distinction - is and is not - but a spectrum.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
As long as there is one White male bigot ... one can destroy all White males.  I could find actual KKK marching in my town, or people of any color LARPing as SS troops.

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire ... this applied not only to the monarchy and RCC in France, but to the Jacobins who followed them.

Believer - Can I take a few minutes to tell you why I believe in a dead Jew?
Atheist - I am not interested in Jesus Bar Joseph
Believer - No, I mean Karl Marx
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 07, 2020, 07:48:02 AM
Yeah...it sounds so stupid, right. Surely it can't happen anymore, esp. in the US. I mean what is fascism anyway? What is this, a Tarantino movie? Well, I have been watching this movie for over a decade here and a bunch of people in the same building showing the same movie think if the theatre burns down the so called first class seats are nonflammable.

Less than ten years ago, in this forum, black people being muredered by cops used to meet with 'they're the basic criminal group!' response. Munch's, Baruch's responses in essence were the exact, common attitude. Let's talk about if 'fascism' is real or not, moronic or what after another ten years, OK?

Because it's not just some word defined by two historical figures reduced to a couple of clowns in meme comebacks. When you're living through, it is life, and you have no idea where did it come from. That's the thing with us humans. If we are not affected by something directly, it virtually doesn't exist... more, it can't. And then it is too late...it is too bloody.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 07, 2020, 08:26:52 AM
For all the passion and fiery protesting, the last few times I voted at the polls I saw very few young Americans in line. When I overhear heated political debates I will sometimes interject and ask "well, did you vote?" Usually conversation falls silent and you can hear the crickets outside. It is not just voting. There is some research to do. There are agendas to check out. Do you even know who your representatives are and what they are doing? It is taken for granted.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Voting_Trends_by_Race_and_Age.jpg/1024px-Voting_Trends_by_Race_and_Age.jpg)

 
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: GSOgymrat on August 07, 2020, 09:01:39 AM
People focus on the presidential election but state and local elections have a direct impact on day-to-day living. I talked with someone who expressed concern about local law enforcement but didn't know that our sheriff is elected because she didn't vote. She didn't know we elected our first black sheriff after having the same sheriff for 24 years. I know it's difficult to keep up with all the news but if someone cares about an issue they should at least know the basics.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 09:39:35 AM
Yeah...it sounds so stupid, right. Surely it can't happen anymore, esp. in the US. I mean what is fascism anyway? What is this, a Tarantino movie? Well, I have been watching this movie for over a decade here and a bunch of people in the same building showing the same movie think if the theatre burns down the so called first class seats are nonflammable.

Less than ten years ago, in this forum, black people being muredered by cops used to meet with 'they're the basic criminal group!' response. Munch's, Baruch's responses in essence were the exact, common attitude. Let's talk about if 'fascism' is real or not, moronic or what after another ten years, OK?

Because it's not just some word defined by two historical figures reduced to a couple of clowns in meme comebacks. When you're living through, it is life, and you have no idea where did it come from. That's the thing with us humans. If we are not affected by something directly, it virtually doesn't exist... more, it can't. And then it is too late...it is too bloody.

If the solution was better cop training and vetting, I agree completely, I bet Munch does too.  But that is just a trigger, for some Marxist BS.  And you never ever complain about Whites being killed by cops.  Because?  People here are all Dolezals.  Wakanda Now!
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 09:42:51 AM
People focus on the presidential election but state and local elections have a direct impact on day-to-day living. I talked with someone who expressed concern about local law enforcement but didn't know that our sheriff is elected because she didn't vote. She didn't know we elected our first black sheriff after having the same sheriff for 24 years. I know it's difficult to keep up with all the news but if someone cares about an issue they should at least know the basics.

President/PM is a demi-god, same as in the days of Augustus Caesar.

I have had a manageable line when voting.  But I still took advantage of the early-voting option (in person) when offered.  Mostly old people do that.  The idea that we have to all vote on just one day, is obsolete, and impractical in urban areas.  Vote caging and voter pandering is why I would outlaw all political parties, not just the Communists.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 09:55:41 AM
Matt Taibi lays out where the Dems went off the rails ...

"America’s financial and political establishment has always been most terrified of an inclusive underclass movement. So it evangelizes a bizarre transgressive politics that tells white conservatives to fuck themselves and embraces a leftist sub-theology that preaches class as a racist canard." - Matt Taibbi

“ … in a broader sense the Republican voter is recoiling from urban liberal condescension.” - Matt Taibbi

After 2016 it became axiomatic that the Trump voter, or the Leave voter, was – without exception now – a crazed, racist monster. As detailed here multiple times, ruminations on Republican voter behaviors became not merely uninteresting to pundits after November 2016, but actively taboo. By 2020, the official answer to What’s the Matter with Kansas? was Kansas is a White Supremacist Project and Can Go Fuck Itself. - Matt Taibbi

This was revenge for President Ford telling NYC to drop dead in 1975.  Why should R & I voters pay for D voter pandering, D party mismanagement?  Basically run your elected jurisdiction like a drunk sailor, and expect the other bar patrons to pay up?  I agree, both coasts, all D jurisdictions can go f*k themselves.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 07, 2020, 10:03:54 AM
We have the same problem with mostly the youngsters. Then they came around at the locals in the capital and the biggest city when the difference was so tiny. Recount showed opposition actually won and the other side demanded a repeat in one city. Opposition has won. E: Nope sorry, something is wrong with this calculation. I have checked the difference it is 13 thousand something but there is a rise in the re-run. Otherwise turn out has been over 80% here and of course could be much better...

But then something tells me every first election after the outbreak will see a high turn out. LOL

I'm expecting a record from the US. Come on, guys.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 10:16:32 AM
"John Cleese: Woke People Have "Zero Sense Of Humour"; They're Killing Comedy" .. it is hard to smile when you are planning genocide

"Senate Bill To Curb Invasive Facial Recognition Software After Rite Aid Deployed In 200 Stores" ... should only be legal if used by the DNC ;-)

"Psychiatrist Dr Tanveer Ahmed says the phase in history we are going through is essentially a political and psychological experiment." ... happy petri dish
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2020, 09:10:33 PM
"LEFTIST CELEBRITY PUSHES UNHINGED THEORY THAT TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE STEALING MAIL TRUCKS" ... no, all the postal employees have been replaced with surgically altered Republican doppelgängers.

"THE YOUNG TURKS HAVE BEEN DENIED ACCESS TO THE DNC, DEMS ARE PURGING THE FAR LEFT" .. Cenk failed in his election attempt, now even donkeys piss on him
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2020, 04:01:03 PM
"Soros Reveals How He's Invested Amid "Fed Liquidity Bubble"; Says Trump "Very Dangerous"" ... so says the father in law of Adam Schiff's daughter

"Ben & Jerry's Receives Backlash For Demanding UK Accept More Illegal Boat Migrants" ... GB needs all the HK people to move there, to suppress wages.  B & J needs to stick to making ice cream

"This Is Amerika: Where Fascism, Totalitarianism And Militarism Go Hand-In-Hand" ... this is bipartisan.  Dems dropped their pacifism of the 80s when it didn't get more votes.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - C. S. Lewis

Dems are virtue signaling punks.

"Fake ID Seizures, Mostly From China, On the Rise" ... they smell of bat ;-)

H-1B Visa executive order obstructed ... "What good is a State Department that becomes the tool of corporations that want to displace Americans, when tens of millions of Americans are under extreme financial duress?" ... parts of the Fed Executive are so partisan, they countermand the commander in chief.

"DoJ Finds Yale Admissions Illegally Discriminated Against Whites, Asians" ... don't care if the degree was in underwater basket weaving

Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2020, 01:12:34 PM
❝I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.❞ - Thomas Jefferson

“Germany's most unforgiveable crime before the Second World War was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit." - Winston Churchill

Both countries, both major parties in each country, are deeply connected to the banks.  This Jefferson quote explains the predatory nature of Massachusetts and New York.  This Churchill quote explains the BRICs.  Brazil and India have defected but China/Russia got Iran and Venezuela in trade.

“The Shape of Things to Come” by H G Wells is also a template for future neo-Liberal tyranny, same as “1984” by George Orwell.  “We” by Yevgeny Zamyatin prophesies the “surveillance state”.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2020, 05:49:27 PM
"Political Correctness & The Cancel Culture Is "Bad Religion Run Amuck"" ... atheism might not be a religion, but politics certainly is (and sports too)

The core of this fake religion is the university ...

The value of a college education in the US is collapsing.

?When a dozen students matriculate:
   •   Five drop out and find themselves stigmatized in the work place.
   •   Three graduate, but end up underemployed.
   •   Only four graduate and get a job that requires a college degree.

The system suffers from two major problems:

Egalitarianism is at the core of our college crisis.

The cost of college tuition has gone up 200% in the last twenty years, while wages, adjusted for inflation, have been flat."

First they came for the European universities, but since I wasn't a European, I did nothing
Then they came for the British universities, but since I wasn't a Brit, I did nothing
Then they came for the Ivy League universities, but since I have a brown thumb, I did nothing
Now they are coming for the community colleges, but now I have no one to teach me ;-)
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 15, 2020, 09:11:31 PM
I am fine with cancelling Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw5xe4Ip0I
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2020, 09:49:37 PM
Liberals disapprove of chattel slavery while practicing domestic and foreign wage slavery.  So glad they are so ... virtuous.

To give liberally ... doesn' mean you hire them to work in a Chinese sweatshop.  It means treating people like family ;-)

BTW - in the NT, being "free" meant not having to work for a living because of your wealth ... which means that other people, in various kinds of bondage "slave" worked for you directly or indirectly (you purchase goods and services).  In Roman law, a manumitted slave, was a permanent employee of his former master (like a share cropper on the former plantation land owned by the former slave owner).  Client meets patron.

So are you against indirect bondage as well as direct bondage, bondage where you were on your own as well as being owned?

Of course, in a family, the "pater familias" of the extended family was the boss of his blood relatives, adopted relatives, his clients and his slaves.  So by treating a person like family, I mean as a blood/adopted relative.  And as such, if you don't do as your told, you got corporal punishment.  You should not be guilty of failing to show your "father" the respect society appointed him to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUO5jhSud1I

Like the Don, I like cats ;-)
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 15, 2020, 10:26:06 PM
Bondage needs to be done correctly. You know, with a safe word.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2020, 10:29:54 PM
Bondage needs to be done correctly. You know, with a safe word.

TMI, Fifty Shades of Grey (as in hair color of "pater familias" ;-)
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2020, 03:51:36 PM
"Hawaii beach property linked to longtime friend of Obama bypasses coastal protection laws" ... law for you but not for me

"PROUD BOYS ARE BACK, ANTIFA STARTS FIGHTS WITH RIGHT WING PROTESTERS AND LOSE, RIOTS ERUPT ACROSS .." .. LARPing vs LARPing as in Mad Magazine

"SOUTH DAKOTA REJECTS STIMULUS PROVING REPUBLICANS RIGHT AS DEMOCRAT CITIES ARE BURNING" ... Republican governor says no thanks, 80% of their recently unemployed are back at work, so $400 extension of Federal support for state unemployment insurance is unnecessary.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2020, 12:34:41 PM
"THE DEMOCRATS ARE SCREWED: EVEN JOE KENNEDY CAN'T GET TRACTION ANYMORE" ... Joe Kennedy, a dynastic liberal, is too “right” for the Democrats now

"Serco are racking in taxpayers money. The CEO is Winston Churchill's grandson Soames, this is DISGRACEFUL.!" ... corruption not just in USA, but in UK.  Serco is a multinational corporation "go to" for all UK government outsourcing.  They are running the "illegal immigrant" business in GB.

"Anyone who can't see both parties are controlled by the same interests must be blind. Blackmail and bribery run countries." ... those who don't learn from history ...

"DEMOCRATS ARE DESTROYING NYC ON PURPOSE, DEBLASIO ADMITS HE'S BUYING UP VACANT PROPERTIES" ... Progressive = slum lord

"A Mass Exodus Away From Big Cities On Both Coasts" ... by moving inland, Democrats will mess up the rest of the country ;-)

"Democratic Party chair wants to end presidential caucuses" ... given that Dem primaries are screwed over by superdelegates ...

"Ex-GOP rep speaking at Dem convention once lobbied Biden office while representing Russia" ... they all take money from Russia/China

"Kamala Harris owes over $1M to vendors from failed presidential bid" ... like Jesse Jackson's failed presidential campaigns, he was burdened a long time with debt.  Maybe if Biden/Harris loses, she can do a "go fund me"?
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 18, 2020, 11:06:15 AM
"Any critical thinking, rational, peace-loving, law-abiding, golden-rule-following citizen of this country must be baffled, disillusioned, angry and depressed by the path being forced upon us by elected and unelected tyrants..." .. bunch of quiche eating liberals

"Soros Warns Europe: "Beware The Leaders Within"" ... if they aren't careful, he will get rid of his stooges and run the EU directly as Der Fuhrer.

Billionaire utopians like Gates, are anti-democratic authoritarians, who will enslave the planet to their own megalomanias.

""Students Claim 'Merit'-Criteria "Possess Inherent Bias"" ... give all the Blacks "A"s

""This War Can't Be Civil": Berkeley Columnist Calls For "Violent Resistance"" ... per columnist Khaled Alqahtani (wonder about his ethnicity)

"'Gun-Toting' St. Louis Lawyers Will Appear At Next Week's Republican National Convention" ... all liberals please donate your home to the nearest felon
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2020, 01:44:29 PM
"Terror On Germany's Autobahn As Islamic 'Radicalized Refugee' Goes On Vehicle Ramming Spree" .. go Islam!  The only good German motorcyclist ...

"More than 200 charged with federal crimes, 1,000 arrested in Operation Legend, AG Barr announces" ... "The operation is named for LeGend Taliferro, 4, who was shot and killed while he slept in June" ... good

"Chirlane McCray enjoys $2M staff of 14 amid NYC budget crisis" ... wife of DeBlasio ... she and her daughter have cucked DeBlasio
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2020, 10:47:26 AM
"Germany Launches Universal Basic Income Experiment" ... tried in Finland recently, failed because people are deplorable.  Yang in US got no traction on this.  Also, Germany has no money, except for what they have Brussels steal from the rest of the EU (but won't be getting more British money after the end of this year).

Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 20, 2020, 11:25:07 AM
"Germany Launches Universal Basic Income Experiment" ... tried in Finland recently, failed because people are deplorable.
Depends on who you ask.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/07/finnish-basic-income-pilot-improved-wellbeing-study-finds-coronavirus
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Mike Cl on August 20, 2020, 12:21:42 PM
Depends on who you ask.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/07/finnish-basic-income-pilot-improved-wellbeing-study-finds-coronavirus
Stockton, CA is trying it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-02/stockton-extends-its-universal-basic-income-pilot

I think the program (and idea) has legs.  I think it will work.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: SGOS on August 20, 2020, 12:23:26 PM
Depends on who you ask.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/07/finnish-basic-income-pilot-improved-wellbeing-study-finds-coronavirus
Some people are predisposed to wanting something to fail, so they call it a failure, even when it succeeds. So socialism fails, even where it succeeds.  Closing places that spread corona virus fails, even when it succeeds.  "The social experiments of the 1960s proved to be an abject failure" (except for the experiments that improved society).   As with all things, it depends on who you ask, and to what extent we borrow from socially unpopular ideologies, many of which contain worthwhile tools to the betterment of mankind.  Just because something may be a little bad, doesn't make it all bad.  The bad outcomes are usually the result of misuses based on greed and power.  Calling something a failure, because you don't like it is fog brained thinking, although quite popular.  On the other hand cutting aid to the poor is a success, even if that aid ends up exclusively in the pockets of the wealthy.   Jarred Kushner:  "Opening the economy represents a great victory over the corona virus (not my best example, but I love the stupidity of that claim so much, I just needed to put it someplace).  Calling something failure or success because it violates a tenet of an ideology is about as incomplete as an assessment can be.  However, it often looks quite nice on a bumper sticker.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2020, 12:41:23 PM
Stockton, CA is trying it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-02/stockton-extends-its-universal-basic-income-pilot

I think the program (and idea) has legs.  I think it will work.

In which case you have better have supported Yang earlier this year ;-)

I think most people don't want to work for a living, because most people want Daddy Warbucks to adopt them.  Ominously, Little Orphan Annie still has no pupils in her eyes ... reeeee
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2020, 12:44:09 PM
Some people are predisposed to wanting something to fail, so they call it a failure, even when it succeeds. So socialism fails, even where it succeeds.  Closing places that spread corona virus fails, even when it succeeds.  "The social experiments of the 1960s proved to be an abject failure" (except for the experiments that improved society).   As with all things, it depends on who you ask, and to what extent we borrow from socially unpopular ideologies, many of which contain worthwhile tools to the betterment of mankind.  Just because something may be a little bad, doesn't make it all bad.  The bad outcomes are usually the result of misuses based on greed and power.  Calling something a failure, because you don't like it is fog brained thinking, although quite popular.  On the other hand cutting aid to the poor is a success, even if that aid ends up exclusively in the pockets of the wealthy.   Jarred Kushner:  "Opening the economy represents a great victory over the corona virus (not my best example, but I love the stupidity of that claim so much, I just needed to put it someplace).  Calling something failure or success because it violates a tenet of an ideology is about as incomplete as an assessment can be.  However, it often looks quite nice on a bumper sticker.

Bad music, bad sex, bad politics & bad drugs ... I call that losing.  You hippies make me laugh ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06X5HYynP5E

My oldest god-sister took a "hit" during the 60s, abandoned her parents/sister  and joined a commune run by a Wicca queen.  Got pregnant by a random boy, left the commune, kicked out the father of her child, moved far away where nobody knew her, remarried, finally grew up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4q_MZ7CRvI

When you get past 60, you lose all youthful illusions, if you aren't brain-dead.  Old age can be a bitter thing ;-(
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 20, 2020, 02:25:39 PM
Oh man, Hair..Love that...this one kills me...but how many soldiers fit in that plane !?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mH23CAV7jE
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2020, 02:32:45 PM
Got to wear the old fatigues one time, ROTC exercise for ROTC class in college.  The government only let me keep the wool socks.  Good socks!
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Mike Cl on August 20, 2020, 05:23:59 PM
Oh man, Hair..Love that...this one kills me...but how many soldiers fit in that plane !?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mH23CAV7jE
Way too many!  That video reminded me that I must have had (or still have) a fairy godmother watching over me.  I've made some decisions in my life.....................one being drafted into the Army (Nam era) right out of college.  I had already signed up for the next semester so my draft board gave me one more semester.  I decided I'd join a branch that would keep me out of Nam.  So, I talked to all branches--yes, even the Marines (told me how much pride each marine had as all of them were infantrymen--did not even wave, just left quickly).  Army told me they could give me Area Studies which would fit my history degree--study an area, even learning the language and culture.  Yeah--that sounds good.  So, my little mind thought--for another added year (to make 3) I could keep out of Nam and do what sounded really interesting.  So I joined.  The Army.  1968. 

Went to basic after the semester-not fun.  Then on to advanced training in Balitimore, MD, of all places.  My training was 18 weeks and each group had to have 50 men in it to start.  So, I was in casual company for about 4 months.  Not casual; did assigned duties.  I was a prop guy for those undergoing Area Studies training.  Good--yeah?  I learned what I was to become--a spy.  Where was there a need for bunches of spies-- in Nam!  Fuck!  Then my Fairy Godmother kicked in and the Fort commander called me into his office and told me my the next class would not start for another 4 months--would I accept a transfer to a Counter Intelligence class?  Yep, yep, yep!  That was 18 weeks of learning how to catch spies.  Half way thru training I learned that for the last 11 classes, every single soldier was ordered to Nam!  Fuck, fuck, fuckity, fuck!  Wrote my will.  Upon grad. was offered a dream sheet, where from a list of 8 areas/countries
We could pick 3; if possible we would be sent to one of them.  But the prior 11 classes had had the same offer, soooo.........................I chose Japan.  As did 2 others.  All the rest picked Germany.  3 days later learned that all who had picked Germany got it!  The three Japan pickers did not have orders yet.  Updated my will.  Waited a full week--updated my will again.  Then the orders came and all of us got Hawaii. Yeah--Aloha!!  That is as close to Nam as I got.  Yeah, Fairy Godmother came thru.  Lucky.  If, at any time, my orders had come up Nam, I would have been on that plane.  I would have gone.  And I would have died--if not in body, for sure in mind.  Looking back, FG has waved her wand several times.  Fortunate for me.  I have been lucky--and I am grateful to her for that!
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 20, 2020, 05:38:37 PM
Mike Cl,
That was a close one. My father said when he was on the troop transport ship to go fight in Korea they ran into a typhoon. Five thousand guys throwing up breakfast.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Mike Cl on August 20, 2020, 06:14:42 PM
Mike Cl,
That was a close one. My father said when he was on the troop transport ship to go fight in Korea they ran into a typhoon. Five thousand guys throwing up breakfast.

That almost made me throw up reading it!
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2020, 07:45:39 PM
Mike Cl,
That was a close one. My father said when he was on the troop transport ship to go fight in Korea they ran into a typhoon. Five thousand guys throwing up breakfast.


Mother's cousin went to Korea with best friend.  Best friend was killed right next to him, in combat (Army).  Cousin came home OK.

MikeCL, since you clearly know so much about the Deep State, how come you don't see their dirty hand in everything?
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 21, 2020, 12:33:26 PM
"Hollywood has 'died of terminal wokeness’" ... no, Hollywood died of cocaine and STDs
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 22, 2020, 01:10:20 PM
"Australia was created as a penal colony and apparently it will end as a penal colony" ... Australian government is a bit manic over Covid.  But this could be a good thing, if after completion of Brexit transition at the end of this year, the Labour, Lib-Def, Green and SNP leaderships are "transported".

"Tennessee governor signs bill cracking down on certain protests" ... sometimes R governor different from D governor

"Tennessee mom says parents asked to sign 'ridiculous' waiver they will not eavesdrop on kids' online lessons" .. bwahah ... shut down the public schools forever ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRMCNHeVKKA

Stop Marxism Now!

"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying. "You are mad, you are not like us"" - St Anthony the Great.

Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2020, 10:21:10 PM
"LA jails refuse to turn 25,000 criminal illegal immigrants over to ICE" … Send in General Sherman, to burn this Dem city down, like he did with Atlanta ;-)

No, the Civil War wasn't about slaves, that was the causus belli, the fake reason.  The real reason is that Dems are terrible people.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Unbeliever on August 24, 2020, 10:33:30 PM
What have you got against Groucho?
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 02:14:59 AM
His club is the one club I wouldn't join ;-) (see his famous quote)
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 25, 2020, 02:35:26 AM
It's interesting that they used a pic taken before 9/11. I wonder why. I don't think it would be a coincidence, would it?

I am fine with cancelling Jesus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEw5xe4Ip0I

Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 09:26:27 AM
We will never know the degree of CIA involvement in 9/11 … might as well think JFK shot himself.

"Pelosi Calls Republicans 'Domestic Enemies Of The State" … projecting for 160 years, the Dems are why the "domestic enemies" clause was added to the loyalty oath
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 01:19:47 PM
The other side of the story … but behind a paywall, you might be able to Google part of it ...

Here is a terrific article you should definitely read: “The meritocrats shall inherit the earth”, by Pierre Rimbert (subscribers, August 2020) // https://mondediplo.com/9570

The French actually understand real Socialism, know what the bourgeoisie is.  The spoiled LARPing children of the Boomers.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 27, 2020, 09:12:56 AM
"Major Korean Crypto Exchange Seized After 99% Trading Volume Allegedly Faked" … remember Mt Gox?  Got Bitcoin or Ethereum?

Good clip if a repeat ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7e_BaXU3mA

Socialism is based on envy and jealousy and ruthless political power.  Communism happened in Russia, as much because the Russian peasant was a shit hole, as much as because of Lenin.

"Amazon protesters outside Jeff Bezos' home construct guillotine" ... Amazon workers protesting.  The Elite might be in for some trouble, no matter how much the corrupt Progressives with under the table funding.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 28, 2020, 01:17:17 PM
Starting with the totally evil Bank of England ...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7Ft8yrmTV8iH/

Good that Dems/Labour has liberated the debt slaves ...

https://www.whitlockco.com/thomas-jeffersons-top-10-quotes-on-money-and-banking/

Yeah, old dead White slave owner ...
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 28, 2020, 02:11:38 PM
Starting with the totally evil Bank of England ...

https://www.bitchute.com/video/7Ft8yrmTV8iH/

Good that Dems/Labour has liberated the debt slaves ...

https://www.whitlockco.com/thomas-jeffersons-top-10-quotes-on-money-and-banking/

Yeah, old dead White slave owner ...

I don't have any debt. I prefer to be the one collecting. The Fed and their fiat money do keep the stock market rolling no matter what. The market is completely disconnected from the actual economy. The best way for a typical young American to manage a decent retirement is to be in the Index ETFs for 20% of their salary. It is true that a declining/aging population will eventually send even the stock market sideways at some point.
 I took almost 5 bills from the rich folks today, however I am still waiting to unload the overly expensive Apple I bought. At worse case the new iPhone 5G should do the trick, maybe I will even hold on for a while. Tesla is splitting tonight; Monday should be wild. I don't know where the phrase "licking my chops" comes from but I am doing that, maybe ;).
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 28, 2020, 02:29:51 PM
Someone who understands money, will have an eye on the back of their head seeing what the Central Banks are doing.  And with the trade war with China, Apple may be over-valued (they are at max market capitalization now ... whatever goes up, must come down).

Not saying Central Bankers are pedophile Satan worshipping Freemasons.  They don't have to be, to do criminal acts.  Even Bernanke in 2008-ish admitted that the Federal Reserve was the cause of the Great Depression.

I have no idea where to turn, there are too many moving parts, and the movement is irrational.  So inertia is my only guide.  But I am reducing debt.  You will not have seen my magnum opus on money a few months back, but basically a gold standard isn't the answer, keeping the Pound/Dollar artificially high during the 20s was the cause of much trouble (Churchill's failure as Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1925) ... because that is inherently deflationary.  This is partly alleviated by the managed funds of many kinds, including Gold and Sliver ETFs, all tied to the Petra-Dollar.  The monetary aspect of the economy isn't throttled by a small, slowly growing supply of gold held by Central Banks.  But the cure is as bad as the disease (96% devaluation of the dollar).

Impeach Trump .... Reply #3557 on: April 23, 2020, 01:51:34 PM
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on August 28, 2020, 02:48:15 PM
Our financial advisor chuckled a bit when we bought some 3 year, 4.2% brokered CDs last year. Those suckers are paying the bills. I thought about selling them in April after the crash and to buy up some total stock market, however it is hard giving up the sure income that allows me to day trade.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 28, 2020, 04:50:42 PM
Good percentage, diversify, diversify

My go to economist, the one, the only (of 6 in the world) who predicted the 2008 crisis, because he isn't a political shill ...

http://www.profstevekeen.com

Dynamic systems analysis (chaos theory) as a tool for economics, not just statistics and overly simple assumptions.  Basically, you have to take private debt and corporate debt into the equations (which involve derivatives and integrals, not just lineal intersections) not just government debt.  Government debt accelerates the economy like a sugar rush, but private and corporate debt neutralize that stimulus.

In our time period, political-economy is dominated by massive states with powerful governments.  Economics in that case is interpreted to meet the needs of governments and banks, not meet the needs of people and commerce.  In this culture also, it is assumed that states and governments and banks have nearly omnipotent powers. where they toot the tune, and the people and commerce dance (think Yosemite Sam vs Bugs Bunny),
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: SGOS on August 29, 2020, 07:56:36 AM
Our financial advisor chuckled a bit when we bought some 3 year, 4.2% brokered CDs last year. Those suckers are paying the bills. I thought about selling them in April after the crash and to buy up some total stock market, however it is hard giving up the sure income that allows me to day trade.
I've got a couple of I Bonds like that from almost 20 years ago.  What seemed like marginal interest then, seems extraordinary now.  But I'm not interested in the stock market, even if I should be.  I don't like watching the market, and taking a hit on Bonds is worth it to me.  My banker talked me into opening a money market account because she thought I had too much in checking.  She did some calculations, and it was better than nothing, so I transferred $20,000 to their money market.  It wasn't a gold mine, but $50 a month was, well.... better than nothing.  At six months, the monthly interest dropped to 58 cents, so I called the bank.  She told me that other interest rate was only for six months.  I apparently didn't read the fine print, and she apparently didn't feel like it was necessary to point that out.

Back during the early Reagan years, when the stock market stagnated year after year (because of high interest rates), I was in a money market fund that paid 17% interest if I remember correctly.  But when Paul Volker got inflation under control, the rates dropped quickly and I dumped the fund, but when I dumped it, it was still paying way more than the 1% or less we see today.

I'd be happy with some 4.2% CDs today.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 29, 2020, 12:46:42 PM
The fall in interest on savings was deliberate, by the Fed/Treasury in 2008/2009.  It is the new normal, so that the government can expand the money supply (and stimulate non-main-street spending).  It was never meant to benefit average person.  The expanded money supply (see subsequent QE including this year) is designed to give the Elite a false sense of wealth and security.  They don't take that money and spend it, they use it indirectly because it bolsters their credit and power rating (see Dragonball Z).  The "rentier" class gets to spend more, but that is a small part of employment, and not much protection because financial services has let go lots of people every year since 2008.

This is why they economy took 10 years to recover ... the tax payer had to pay for all those Elite bailouts (which were needed because the Elite had put all their money into speculation like underwater basket weaving and CDS and mortgage-backed-trash.  The crap on the Fed balance sheet was parked there, to alleviate a buyer's market.  My mother never got much interest after 2008, lost $50k in one of her funds, and had to cannibalize her assets (because SS didn't cover enough).  She wasn't elite enough, though she though she was (Little Orphan Annie).  Basically $14 trillion was added to the credit card by Bush/Obama or over $42k per person in the US.  Have you paid off your Fed Card yet?  Good thing they weren't aggressive in shaking down the deplorables!  But they are coming!!  The government is a protection racket for the Elite.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 29, 2020, 04:59:27 PM
"NYC Landlords Wage War Against Remote Working" ... guess they elected the wrong mayor

"Federal Court Rules In Favor Of Sarah Palin's Defamation Lawsuit Against The New York Times" ... sue them into penury

"ESG (environmental, social, and governance) Is The Folly Of "Woke Capitalism"" ... kick all the liberal arts majors out of your company while you still can!

"A sign of a Marxist government is that they let criminals go and arrest political enemies" - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 30, 2020, 04:25:04 PM
"Putin Gives the Middle Finger to Gates and the Marxist UN Agenda" ... Dems against Russia but not China?  Why?  Because Russia is no longer Communist.

"Cloward-Piven Strategy To Destroy America Resurgent Amid BLM/Antifa-Led Riots" ... the treasonous swamp is old and deep

The Black Panthers/Weathermen were the rioters/terrorists working for the Dems in the 1965-75 period.  Brown shirts then and now.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on August 31, 2020, 08:58:34 AM
"North Korea Allegedly Broadcasts Spy Messages Over YouTube" ... bwahaha.  Of course they do, so shut down YouTube, it is a tool of Evil

"Robocop Is Here - New "Smart" Police Helmet Scans For COVID-19 & Uses Facial Recognition" ... like Robocop.  But I want 1970s Cylons, with Gort level laser eye slit.

"College Director: "Every White Person In This Country Is Racist"" .. be racist now!  Fire all the druggy profs.

"Kamala Unleashing Her Demon Army" ... per Scott Adams (Dilbert) ... Chicago, Kenosha etc are portals to Hell.

Obama was born in the US, but was a Kenyan, politically.  Maxist and post-colonialist, anti-Western ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9nXxKt4F_4

Recent apologetics ... “In defense of looting” countered with “In defense of shooting”
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 01, 2020, 10:34:04 AM
"California To Set Up Task Force To Examine Slavery Reparations" ... Californicators can pay my share

"NPR Is Openly Promoting A Book That Celebrates And Encourages Looting" ... cancel NPR

"California's Radical Brainwashing Curriculum Soon To Be Mandatory" ... I am not ashamed of what I didn't do myself

"Watch As Democrats Spend Four Years Fantasizing About Riots, Assassination And Violent Chaos" ... psychopaths must psycho

Dems "abandon the working class and hope the non-whites will be happy with ego-stroking identity based nonsense." ... but both sides are controlled by the Elites, who are good leaders like Caligula, Nero, Commodus, Elegabalus.

In the 21st century you need to drop old terms ... for new terms ...

"Bio-Leninism: Deleuzian hypothesis that society is a conflict between the aesthetically-ugly and the capitally-successful.

Bio-Leninism is a transverse-Marxist (Deleuzian) connector of Focault (bio politics) and Marx.

BioLeninism proffers that rather than a conflict between rich and poor; politics is a conflict between the rich and ugly.

The Cathedral: Describes the broadly left leaning 'media academia complex' in which Western Liberal democracy is steeped. In broad terms, the juxtaposition of cultural Marxism and what is seen as democracy’s intrinsic tyranny where takers get to out vote makers.

It is a term coined by dark enlightenment bloggers and gaining increasingly widespread usage.

Since the Cathedral has ascended to global supremacy, it no longer has need for Founding Fathers, who awkwardly recall its parochial ancestry, and impede its transnational public relations. Rather, it seeks perpetual re-invigoration through their denigration. The phenomenon of the ‘New Atheism’, with its transparent progressive affiliations, attests abundantly to this. Paleo-puritanism must be derided in order for neo-puritanism to flourish – the meme is dead, long live the meme!"
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 03, 2020, 02:43:43 PM
"BBC Backs Down: Patriotic Lyrics Will Be Sung At Last Night Of The Proms" ... privatize the BBC, let Labour pay for it

""We Will Never Give Up": Charlie Hebdo Republishes Mohammed Cartoons" ... Yellow Jackets put courage back into French backbone

"NJ Plans To Use HFT Tax To Pay For "Social Justice" Agenda" .. not against regulation and taxation of the financial scams ... "I think I missed the top by an hour. I bought $6 billion worth of tech stocks... and in six weeks I had left Soros and I had lost $3 billion in that one play..." ... reminisced speculator Drukenmiller.

"In George Orwell’s classic dystopian novel “1984,” protagonist Winston wonders whether he is the only person who retains a real memory and doubts the narrative of The Party..." ... The New Normal = The Memory Hole .. cancel culture vs tradition and history

Populism in 2016 and now "...ruling class would hurt Americans for “daring to reject their mastery.”" ... same with GB.  The Sauron Eye of Caligula never sleeps!

"Nick Sandmann's Lawyer Will SUE Twitter and CEO Jack Dorsey For Censorship , Discover BANS Donations" ... over tweet about raising funds for Kyle Rittenhouse (also represented by Mr Wood) ... sue the Dem institutions into bankruptcy ... US doesn't use guillotine, we use ambulance chasing lawyers ... ieee

"US Court Vindicates Snowden Leaks - Rules NSA Mass Surveillance "Illegal" & Officials Lied " .. those judges will find a horses head in bed with them
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2020, 02:31:54 PM
""I Absolutely Cancel Myself": GW Professor Under Investigation After Disclosing That She Is Not Black" ... Dolezal strikes again
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2020, 11:30:59 AM
"NSA MASS SURVEILLANCE RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL... NO DUH!" ... bipartisan critical theory

"UCLA students urge replacement of top computer science professor" ... he didn't take the knee or suck BLM cock ... just burn the colleges down, Lysenkoism is not worth a dime

"Migrant children at border should be in HHS shelters, not hotels, judge rules" ... technical change, in UK they put up fake-refugees who illegally enter the country, in 4-star hotels

"Air Force veteran quits supermarket job after he was told he can’t wear an American flag mask to work" ... I bet they would allow a BLM logo mask

"Greenwald Exposes Journalism's New Propaganda Tool: Using "Confirmed" To Mean Its Opposite" ... just like they all jumped on the false bandwagon of the MAGA-hat boy a few years ago.  Any university selling a journalism degree should be forced to refund the money to all the students in that major.

"Ivy League Schools Cause BIG Problems, Slowing Their Government Money Will Help STOP Indoctrination" ... Michael Malice suggested that their whole endowment be confiscated, and given to the poor people directly.

"Neil Wallis: 'Extinction Rebellion are all middle class University woke lefties'" ... GB needs to empty their universities too.  Only let students into college if they can pass a loyalty oath to the Queen.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2020, 10:39:31 AM
"No-Go-Zones: A Guide To Western Failed States & European Secessionist Movements" ... see a pattern?
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on September 06, 2020, 11:06:43 AM
Part of the problem with defining "liberal" and "conservative" is that the meanings change not only with respect to time but with geography.  Boris Johnson is considered conservative with respect to the UK, but I'm pretty sure that were he in the US he would not be all that conservative.

Also the temporal and geographic differences are complicated by the very different history of the United States versus Europe.  In Europe, looking to a bygone golden era leads back to kings.  In the US, looking back to a bygone golden era leads back to a state of such reduced government it would scare the piss out of any modern progressive.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2020, 03:08:40 PM
Yes, but Newspeak ... words are weapons.  Take a 2x4 and put nails in it, and whack away.

"Youth ages, immaturity is outgrown, ignorance can be educated, and drunkenness sobered, but stupid lasts forever." - Aristophanes

"Intellectuals of the world unite! We have nothing to lose but our brains!" - Aldous Huxley

Liberalism today = Marxism in blackface, like Justin Trudeau, PM of the cringest Anglo country.

"Former NYT Reporter Challenges Dr. Fauci's Climate Change "Mission Creep"" ... part of Dr Death/Dr Blofeld euthanasia plans

"Boris Johnson Sets New Oct. 15 Deadline For Brexit Trade Talks With Brussels" ... British fish say "molon labe"

Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 07, 2020, 12:49:53 PM
"A Record 52% Of Millennials Now Live With Their Parents, Highest Since Great Depression" ... good, seal the door and gas them ;-)

"Enabling The Technocratic-Parasite-Class' "Great Reset"" ... Digital Dark Web ... why is it called "Dark"?  See next item, got hot cash?

"Researchers Find New Way For Criminals To Launder Money Using Bitcoin" ... Bitcoin came from CIA/NSA, who also control the drug and human trafficking trades ... the regular banks do the legal money laundering (see drug lords save banks in 2008-09).  Link to the original public report ... wanna bet Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym?

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/How-to-Make-a-Mint%3A-The-Cryptography-of-Anonymous-Law-Sabett/1f8b7ec5d3a778e1980c9b656aaa4350cb135f09

"The British Army Of Wokeness" ... like Trump in the US, ban all Woman Studies/Race Studies graduates from the government and the military.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on September 07, 2020, 05:11:08 PM
Maybe someday bitcoin or some other crypto/block chain will replace fiat money and central banks, but for now it seems like a pyramid franchise. Some people made a killing and sold out for good ole greenbacks.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 07, 2020, 06:07:59 PM
Maybe someday bitcoin or some other crypto/block chain will replace fiat money and central banks, but for now it seems like a pyramid franchise. Some people made a killing and sold out for good ole greenbacks.

Bitcoin?  Mt Gox and many other embezzlements.  FBI seizing e-money as part of anti-criminal raids.  Vladimir Putin supports Etherium.  Spare electricity generation in China used to mine Bitcoin?  It will work as part of institutional transfers ... but not for the public.  This isn't a game changer at that level.

If you have very verifiable money transfers, governments like that, not that will stop money laundering, because the governments are the chief money laundromat.  But it gives them better control over organized crime (which works for them).  Real Mafiosi settle accounts by trading stolen Old Masters, or with bullets ... no transparency.

The data format is a chain of non-deniable encrypted book entries that go back to the Creation.  That gets unwieldy with a trillion consumer transactions per day.  Just like the Internet-of-Things (small packets) requires infinite bandwidth.  Universal e-currency (with every packet getting constantly larger) also requires unlimited storage and processing power.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Baruch on September 07, 2020, 07:18:36 PM
"A Record 52% Of Millennials Now Live With Their Parents, Highest Since Great Depression" ... good, seal the door and gas them ;-)

"Enabling The Technocratic-Parasite-Class' "Great Reset"" ... Digital Dark Web ... why is it called "Dark"?  See next item, got hot cash?

"Researchers Find New Way For Criminals To Launder Money Using Bitcoin" ... Bitcoin came from CIA/NSA, who also control the drug and human trafficking trades ... the regular banks do the legal money laundering (see drug lords save banks in 2008-09).  Link to the original public report ... wanna bet Satoshi Nakamoto is a pseudonym?

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/How-to-Make-a-Mint%3A-The-Cryptography-of-Anonymous-Law-Sabett/1f8b7ec5d3a778e1980c9b656aaa4350cb135f09

"The British Army Of Wokeness" ... like Trump in the US, ban all Woman Studies/Race Studies graduates from the government and the military.

PS ...

"12-year-old suspended after teacher spots toy gun during virtual class" ... family services swat team sent in.  Like when they arrested a little boy at school who made a gun out of his P&B sandwich.
Title: Re: Liberal---Conservative
Post by: Cassia on September 07, 2020, 07:56:21 PM
Bitcoin?  Mt Gox and many other embezzlements.  FBI seizing e-money as part of anti-criminal raids.  Vladimir Putin supports Etherium.  Spare electricity generation in China used to mine Bitcoin?  It will work as part of institutional transfers ... but not for the public.  This isn't a game changer at that level.

If you have very verifiable money transfers, governments like that, not that will stop money laundering, because the governments are the chief money laundromat.  But it gives them better control over organized crime (which works for them).  Real Mafiosi settle accounts by trading stolen Old Masters, or with bullets ... no transparency.

The data format is a chain of non-deniable encrypted book entries that go back to the Creation.  That gets unwieldy with a trillion consumer transactions per day.  Just like the Internet-of-Things (small packets) requires infinite bandwidth.  Universal e-currency (with every packet getting constantly larger) also requires unlimited storage and processing power.
Yeah, the various blockchain techs have applications far beyond currency such a property ownership, identity, music and other content distribution, ad nauseum. Storage and processing needs are high for sure but are distributed and that cost could come from ridding the system of all the centralized bloodsuckers. We shall see, LOL. It is championed as the next internet.