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Title: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Shiranu on July 20, 2020, 03:32:59 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting-salas/us-federal-judges-son-shot-and-killed-husband-wounded-in-new-jersey-media-idUSKCN24L0AM (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shooting-salas/us-federal-judges-son-shot-and-killed-husband-wounded-in-new-jersey-media-idUSKCN24L0AM)
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(Reuters) - The husband and son of federal judge Esther Salas were shot at their home in New Jersey on Sunday, media reported.
The judge's son was killed, while the husband is in critical condition, the reports said bit.ly/2ZGNifD. (https://bit.ly/2ZGNifD.) 

Investigators have preliminary information that someone dressed as a FedEx driver arrived at the family home in North Brunswick at about 5 p.m., ABC News said abcn.ws/2WBw8ON, (https://abcn.ws/2WBw8ON,) citing multiple law enforcement sources, adding that a suspect "remains at-large".
 The FBI said on Twitter it was investigating the shooting.

Some powerful people have a lot to lose.

This is the type of shit I would expect out of Sicily, Colombia, Venezuela... not the United States.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 20, 2020, 05:45:12 AM
Oh, Shirley, there are assholes everywhere.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2020, 09:23:01 AM
My Ex is half Italian.  I could tell you some stories, marinara over pasta …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaI5jYU-sPw

Yes, only Republicans have things to hide.

Given that trillions of dollars have been stolen thru the Pentagon and the Fed … criminal elements have been at work for many decades.  Worth a few "lessons" to teach "the rest".  We are all Sopranos now. 

It took the Jewish mafia (aka Murder Inc of Detroit), hired by the Italian mafia (of Chicago), to hit the Irish mafia (of Chicago) … St Valentine's Day Massacre.

A pimp taught me chess as a boy ;-)  Everything in the US is stolen property, usually accompanied by murder.  And the Natives did that before the Europeans arrived.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Shiranu on July 20, 2020, 04:50:50 PM
The shooter was found dead, and he was a rabid Pro-Trump supporter, self professed anti-feminist lawyer who had filed a 46 page lawsuit that the media was unfair to Trump and he had nothing to do with Russia. But yet again, it's the imaginary Fascist Left we need to be worried about, even though the actual fascist right and radicals run our governments and commit increasing amounts of hate crime in this country.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdZDtWmUEAIq5IJ?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2020, 08:32:12 PM
Nope, it was Epstein.  He isn't dead yet, Prince Andrew would never permit it.  Not even Pravda would print your fake news.  How convenient to pin it on a guy who is dead.

"Beer Countess Who Flew Epstein's 'Lolita Express' 32 Times Quits Child Protection Charity" … where are child molesters found?  At child care centers.  The aristocracy and pedophilia go way back.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2020, 10:30:31 AM
If he did it, he was an MK Ultra sleeper agent …

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

The whole world has to kill Trump, because he wants to take down the worldwide elite pedophilia cult.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 22, 2020, 02:10:25 AM
imaginary Fascist Left

When you can't see that all parties on the left and right spectrum can be crazy and authoritarian. Also your just mad that a liberal(me) actually thinks the left can be violent and authoritarian.


For the Epstein case I something is wrong but some of the things I read this past week makes me skeptic and also paranoid of the coincidences of the case.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Shiranu on July 22, 2020, 02:13:22 AM
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Also your just mad that a liberal(me) actually thinks the left can be violent and authoritarian.

I agreed, multiple times in that thread, that the left you believe in is authoritarian.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Blackleaf on July 22, 2020, 02:49:48 AM
It just so happens that that version of the Left exists exclusively in a place called Fantasy Land...
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 22, 2020, 04:31:44 AM
Yet many members don't agree.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Shiranu on July 22, 2020, 04:36:37 AM
It just so happens that that version of the Left exists exclusively in a place called Fantasy Land...

Disclaimer: I am writing this while drunk, and will probably edit it tomorrow once I sober up to be a little more coherent, but the overall point still stands.
Yeah, on that I want to just get it all out of the way so I can just refer to one post instead of making a new one each time...

I don't disagree that there is a radical element to "the left" (although I find that name to be misleading, because most "far left, SJW" type are not really left on the political spectrum). I think that if you want to infringe on personal rights just because someone is offended, that's fucked up and has no place in a free society.

However while I think that such laws shouldn't be necessary because we should be smart enough not to be complete douche bags, I think so many of the "oppression from the left" actions that I hear screamed about are often times either completely false or over-exaggerated by far right bad faith actors who either intentionally misinterpret what is happening or straight up lying that they happened in the first place.

All the while far right politicians, the same politicians the people who scream about the left oppressing them defend, are actually infringing on our liberty and freedoms, and destroying the core ethics our country is suppose to stand for.

I unequivocally oppose authoritarian leftism, but as it stands it is as close to non-existent in our country as it can possibly get. At the same time far-right politicians literally hold office, hold power, hold social media power and are oppressing not just minorities but even the majority into bending over and accepting actual fascist and corrupt politicians to screw us over. I'm sorry that I don't have time to be concerned about the .5% of politicians that go to far left (and if they are brought to my attention, I will condemn them), but I am more concerned about the other 75%+ of politicians who, from my ethical and political point of view, are far to right-wing, corrupt or abusing their power to stay silent about.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 22, 2020, 06:02:02 AM
It seems to me this was as much personal as political. He is suspected of murdering another attorney. He knew he was dying of melanoma and appears to have gone after people he didn't like before killing himself.

Suspect in deadly shooting called federal judge Esther Salas a 'lazy and incompetent Latina' (https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-deadly-shooting-called-federal-judge-esther-salas/story?id=71901734)

In 2015, a female teenager sued the Selective Service System because she could not register for the male-only draft. In her most recent opinion on the case, filed in spring 2019, Salas sided with part of the plaintiff's argument, allowing the lawsuit to move forward.

The plaintiff's attorney at the time was Roy Den Hollander, a self-proclaimed anti-feminist lawyer who is also the primary suspect in the fatal shooting that took place at Salas' New Jersey home Sunday evening, multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News. ...

That civil rights suit appears to be the only time Hollander argued before Salas in court. More insights into the case, and Hollander's feelings toward Salas, may be gleaned from an autobiography published on his personal website.

In it, the now late attorney accused Salas of delaying the years-long case because she was "apparently scared of making a decision one way or the other."

"If she ruled draft registration unconstitutional, the Feminists who believed females deserved preferential treatment would criticize her. If she ruled that it did not violate the Constitution, then those Feminists who advocate for equal treatment would criticize her. Either way it was lose-lose for Salas unless someone took the risk of leading the way," Hollander wrote.


He also disparaged the ethnicity of Salas, who became the first Latina woman to serve on the federal bench in New Jersey after former President Barack Obama nominated her for the position. "Female judges didn't bother me as long as they were middle age or older black ladies," he wrote. "Latinas, however, were usually a problem -- driven by an inferiority complex." In another passage, he wrote that Salas was a "lazy and incompetent Latina judge appointed by Obama." In discussing the court proceedings, he praised "older white-male judges."

Hollander further criticized Salas' accomplished resume, writing that "affirmative action got her into and through college and law school," and dismissed her private practice and public defender work. Her one accomplishment, he wrote, was "high school cheerleader."

Hollander was replaced last June as the female plaintiff's lawyer in the lawsuit. The court docket did not indicate a reason for his replacement, though a managing partner for Boies Schiller Flexner told CNN that Hollander asked the law firm to take over the case because he was terminally ill. In Hollander's autobiography, he wrote that he was diagnosed with melanoma in 2018.

Hollander is also the leading suspect in the murder of an attorney in California earlier this month, multiple law enforcement sources told ABC News. According to sources, officials are investigating whether the attacks were grudge killings committed by Hollander after he knew he was dying.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 22, 2020, 09:24:35 AM
When you can't see that all parties on the left and right spectrum can be crazy and authoritarian. Also your just mad that a liberal(me) actually thinks the left can be violent and authoritarian.


For the Epstein case I something is wrong but some of the things I read this past week makes me skeptic and also paranoid of the coincidences of the case.

Mass murder in Las Vegas.  MK Ultra.  You noobs don't realize how totally evil the CIA, FBI and Secret Service are.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 22, 2020, 09:27:39 AM
Edit: Still drunk addition...

I mean seriously, this is a thread that (at the very best, no conspiracy required) is about a nutjob who was convinced by far-righty politicians and social influencers like Fox News that feminists, women, "teh leftists" were out to get him and so he murdered a federal judges son and critically injured her husband... and somehow this topic STILL has shifted to how horrbile the left is.

Like seriously, what the fuck? Does Trump and the American right have to declare themselves the second comming of Hitler, the Grand Dragons of the KKK and the spiritual successors to the Nazis before you realise that the far-right wing holds a fucking disproportionate amount of power in this country? Is the left REALLY the most fucking pressing issue at the moment>?

How would you know this … unless you knew the man?  This guy is dead, same as the Las Vegas dude.  Please inquire as to their motivations.  You are projecting your own psychosis.  You are claiming that the US is 99.5% Nazi or complicit.  Deep State isn't L or R … they are in it for themselves.

Repeating info on this guy, conveniently prepared in advance and made easily accessible.  Y'all are tools. Who wrote his biography on his web site?  Snowden?   Just like you know that is going on in Trump's head or Pelosi's head.  Where is the empirical skepticism applied to preachers?  So, as long as a propaganda outlet doesn't mention G-d, it must be telling the truth?

I agree with the plaintiff.  Young women should be drafted, and sent over the top first, for the next 5000 years, to catch up to the boys.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 23, 2020, 12:54:00 AM
Well in news Trump is a pedo. Now we know why the case is being quieted.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Shiranu on July 23, 2020, 03:08:28 AM
Well in news Trump is a pedo. Now we know why the case is being quieted.

Yep. Homeboy has too many ties to Epstein to not be a suspect in that ring, and him wishing his fixer "best of luck" in the case sure as hell didn't help his case.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2020, 10:26:00 AM
Yep. Homeboy has too many ties to Epstein to not be a suspect in that ring, and him wishing his fixer "best of luck" in the case sure as hell didn't help his case.

You folks are jealous that Epstein didn't invite you to Pedo Island, unlike the other Dems.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2020, 10:27:18 AM
Well in news Trump is a pedo. Now we know why the case is being quieted.

Like Jimmy Carter, every man, in his heart, is a pedo.  But unlike the Dems, I won't go so far as to eat children as my pizza topping.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Sal1981 on July 23, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
You folks are jealous that Epstein didn't invite you to Pedo Island, unlike the other Dems.
Projection.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2020, 05:37:43 PM
Projection.

You wish.  I could be gay, just for you ;-)
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Sal1981 on July 23, 2020, 07:29:31 PM
You wish.  I could be gay, just for you ;-)
Deflection.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 24, 2020, 12:06:59 AM
Deflection.

Infection.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 25, 2020, 08:58:22 AM
Some powerful people have a lot to lose.

This is the type of shit I would expect out of Sicily, Colombia, Venezuela... not the United States.

It is done more quietly in the US so that anyone who notices can be called a conspiracy theorist.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 25, 2020, 12:51:08 PM
It is done more quietly in the US so that anyone who notices can be called a conspiracy theorist.

CIA invented the term "conspiracy theory" to cover their completely amoral tracks, like the JFK assassination first of all.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 26, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this case has a weird, deliberate kind of fake quality? It's like a bad meal with too much of the same kind of ingredients in it. In the end, it arrives to a disturbed, obsessive Trump supporter.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 26, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
Am I the only one who thinks this case has a weird, deliberate kind of fake quality? It's like a bad meal with too much of the same kind of ingredients in it. In the end, it arrives to a disturbed, obsessive Trump supporter.

Any dime novel detective would see right through it, say "patsy".  But then so was James Earl Ray and Sirhan Sirhan and Lee Harvey Oswald.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 27, 2020, 05:38:06 AM
I wasn't thinking something like that. I'm trying to make sense of it. He is a men's right activist, an anti-feminist attorney with a list of a dozen targets to kill. (Other judges, doctors and his own oncologist too.) As far as I understand he has no previous criminal record of any sort. It's not like he has an online law degree. It said somewhere he is from Washington State University? He files stupid law suits against 'ladies nights'... the women's studies program in Columbia University and other stuff like that, which as an attorney he should know it wouldn't hold in any US court. And this started in around 2007 apparently. Long time.

He is a trumpeter. He writes pages and pages of rants about 'Feminazi rules' and how feminists invaded all the institutions in the States...blah blah... blames a female hispanic judge from not making a decision for political reasons. Then one day he learns he is terminally ill, hands the case to others and goes on to kill a lawyer because he thought the man was 'a rival and had a grudge against him'. Then a week later, he goes after the hispanic judge, kill her husband, wounds her son lethally. (The case in question is a huge, infamous case that could even reach the president of the country at one end.) And then he kills himself the day after before even completing his list. He was also an investigator in the 'Russian invetsigation' thing and apparently there is some note he left to the Russian lawyers along the lines of 'if something happens to me'?

In all his rants -apparently 2000 something pages- he invites white men to take out people to stop the feminist rule and then to commit suicide. That he is not like other men who are 'whiners and act like girls, not men'.

That's a hell of an escalation. (I mean from spouting sexist-racist hatred to commit murder without any past of violence.) This man is not a college kid who thinks all women are evil because he can't get laid or someone brutally divorced by his wife losing everything he had. He is a 73 year old, suit wearing official who has spent his life with interacting all kinds of people in courts. So is it all about the terminal illness? What am I missing?

I mean I get the suicide bombers being chosen from terminally ill members of certain groups, cults... or killing themselves after comitting murders...it is mostly for not getting caught and interrogated in terrorist groups. But that's religious extremism and those people genuinely believe there is an after life and they will be rewarded. And almost always they have a criminal past of some sort. At least a personal heavy tragedy that enables them to be brainwashed. So they're easy to isolate from the society to begin with.

Forget about the religous nuts, white supremacists comitting murders have similar profiles. They're often lone wolves, ex military...strict codes. They're isolated, they have certain life styles. They do not have lives spent among people.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 12:07:40 PM
You believe that the BS narrative of the Media or the government is real data.  We know nothing, except the fertilizer they feed us.  As a media anthropologist type, I would think you to be more skeptical.  Is this like you, to psychoanalyze Justice Kavanaugh when he was in HS, when he may or may not have taken advantage of a drunk girl while he was drunk?
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 27, 2020, 12:58:20 PM
No, on the contrary. That's a thinking post. So my question is my opinion. It's the terminal illness. I don't think his sexist, racist, political rants pushed by the media; the very things he said have anything to do with it. He is a racist sexist piece of shit, a white supremacist murderer but I believe he was actually reacting to his own situation.

In my opinion, this is an ordinary kind of multiple murder case in that sense. This is an old man 'breaking bad' real life style after learning he is going to die soon and probably thought he could actually carry on with what he describes in his rants -like deranged 4chan teenagers- chosing the best victims available to him. Started an elaborate plan and then ended up killing himself just after he failed to kill his second target. He probably thought it would be much easier to go with all in that frame of mind. He had to kill other people during the process, people he didn't harbour natural grudge for. Probably he wasn't even able to stomach his own deeds.

People lost their lives. And the ones left behind...It's so fucked up.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
It may be true.  But it happened too fast and too comprehensive and too "pat".  I smell a CIA rat.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 27, 2020, 01:51:12 PM
A 73 years old white lawyer patsy from Washington, investigating an American company in Russia who was previously involved in Epstein case?

Aren't patsies supposed to be the kind of people who exists -at least looks the part as if- completely out of the muck they stir and so effectively used without any suspicion? What is the point of using a patsy otherwise?

Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 02:02:28 PM
A 73 years old white lawyer patsy from Washington, investigating an American company in Russia who was previously involved in Epstein case?

Aren't patsies supposed to be the kind of people who exists -at least looks the part as if- completely out of the muck they stir and so effectively used without any suspicion? What is the point of using a patsy otherwise?

You are assuming CIA/MI6/KGB have perfect operations.  Per Rumsfeld, you run with the 5th column with the psychos you have.  Per the Church Commission in the 70s, the CIA runs all the drugs and money laundering on this planet, plus coups and assassinations.  And they were exposed, but not stopped.  Congress was shown the real "Zapruder film".  So they concluded there was a conspiracy in regards to the JFK assassination, but stopped there.  Bill Clinton probably knew at Oxford all these MI6 operatives like Halper, Mifsud etc.  The Clintons were hand selected by a founder of the CIA and Churchill's Mata Hari.

Seven Days In May ... a book and movie promoted by JFK, shortly before he was eliminated.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 27, 2020, 02:09:37 PM
If you said 'they don't care if it is believable or not, noone can do anything anway' it would make more sense. There is a difference between an unsuccessful operation and this man chosen as a patsy. Neighbourhood mafias would find better candidates and the idea that CIA couldn't, is comical.

You think like a third class action movie.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 02:45:59 PM
If you said 'they don't care if it is believable or not, noone can do anything anway' it would make more sense. There is a difference between an unsuccessful operation and this man chosen as a patsy. Neighbourhood mafias would find better candidates and the idea that CIA couldn't, is comical.

You think like a third class action movie.

Yes, no doubt you would run an evil espionage operation differently ;-)  But neither of us have been operatives at that level, have we?
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 27, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
Yes, no doubt you would run an evil espionage operation differently ;-)  But neither of us have been operatives at that level, have we?

LOL, how would I run an evil espionage operation, Baruch?

Yes, we haven't. But I think the difference in our perspectives here is about how we percieve the CIA. I don't see it as an organisation that treats the US different from any other region in the world because it has the word America in its name. It's a paradox, while they're extremely powerful and probably very good at their job, we are also heavily conditioned to see everything as a part of some conspiracy belong to them. If it is not them it is Mossad, right?

Are you familiar with the historical concept of la leyenda negra? The Spanish Black Legend -> Catholic Church, Papacy, Jesuits, Jews, Communists, Muslims...CIA. LOL Do you follow this? The research on the black legend of Jesuits is a very interesting and funny reading; a very good 'tell' about human culture.

Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 05:55:34 PM
LOL, how would I run an evil espionage operation, Baruch?

Yes, we haven't. But I think the difference in our perspectives here is about how we percieve the CIA. I don't see it as an organisation that treats the US different from any other region in the world because it has the word America in its name. It's a paradox, while they're extremely powerful and probably very good at their job, we are also heavily conditioned to see everything as a part of some conspiracy belong to them. If it is not them it is Mossad, right?

Are you familiar with the historical concept of la leyenda negra? The Spanish Black Legend -> Catholic Church, Papacy, Jesuits, Jews, Communists, Muslims...CIA. LOL Do you follow this? The research on the black legend of Jesuits is a very interesting and funny reading; a very good 'tell' about human culture.

With maximal evil, because in that work, the end justifies the means.  It is literally about saving the world from extinction, or at least from multilevel marketing ;-)  the environment for paranoid narcissist action heroes ... like 007.  In an old movie from the 60s, The President's Analyst ... the CIA and KGB had to join forces against the ultimate evil ... Ma Bell (old US phone monopoly).  Fortunately 007 got the US government to kill them with anti-trust legislation ;-))

Well as far as the Spanish Black Legend, that is all because of the Borgia family, right?  They were evil Spaniards, not good Italians ;-)  The put down of the Jesuits circa 1750 is well covered in The Mission.  Conspiracy theories believed, or politically useful even if false, have motivated European politics for centuries.  Being connected to Freemasonry myself, I should know ;-)  And Jews are empowered by Kosher (tm) technology ;-))
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 28, 2020, 03:02:23 AM
Every power zone has to work constantly to gain power and run faster than the present to stay there. Otherwise it can't stay as one. But I think you mean organisations like CIA has to goad every group against each other so the system wouldn't collapse? Keep the 'balance'? That's exercising maximal evil.

Have you seen the documentary called Stuxnet? Now, I'd believe that documentary was actually pushed by CIA to be made because we ordinary people of the world are so clueless about the 21st century wars. And you think they can't pick a patsy.  I blame the Oswald obsession. Who cares who pulled the trigger to kill JFK, anyone who think this could be uncovered is out of their minds. You don't get to treat a military coup as a murder case.

I sometimes think that CIA has lost its own bet on the 'left' wings in the States because they calculated they would evolve into more violent movements after the 60s. They overestimated the American 'left', while underestimated the conformity of the hypermodern age and the apathy of the social media generations; their 'sameness' and lack of individuality.   

The black legend is a phenomenon that gets repeated through out the history after the rise of 'secret history' literature. It's something that shaped all our collective memory, perceptions, expectations...etc. Its counterpart is golden or white legends.

"Catholics are bad, Protestants are good." (Black legend vs White legend.) It's Jewish money behind it. CIA did it. It's not that simple of course. There is a literature on it starting from 17th century. Jesuits and the Spanish Black Legend is the source and the best clear example. Everything from Illimunati, the Church to the 80s Satanist panic, commies are coming for the world, feminists are going to castrate all men, UFOs, reptile people... LOL The argument -and the research- is about how all these fears  are fictional, and how these groups are loaded with exactly the same traits. When one runs its course and dies we find a new one to load those traits on. The cycle starts over again. In the end it's all bullshit.

In a larger perspective this is related to people inventing the concept of 'criticism' and 'context' in Early Modern Europe. (Not as what we know today.) Criticism is originally coming from recognising forged documents in the past. Context is more problematic because there is no latin word as 'contexere' while the written word; knowledge is coming from 'texere'. LOL That sounded wrong. I mean originally in Latin. It's obviously invented later.

I think today, it is about meme based literal midedness. The forms of the mediums we use. Myeh...
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on July 28, 2020, 11:11:38 AM
Yes, we are all agent provocateurs now.  Even Queen Elizabeth I had her Sir Francis Walsingham.  But in her case, Catholics were a major problem.  Being raised anglophone and non-Catholic ... I was suspicious of the Spanish for a long time, until I saw The Mission.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on August 03, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
"Records Of Prince Andrew's Location On Night Of Molestation Destroyed By Police" ... they can solve a case instantly and conclusively with an MK Ultra drone who commits suicide ... but not other cases, wonder why?
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on August 03, 2020, 08:56:07 PM
"Photos Of Stephen Hawking On Epstein's 'Pedo Island' Subject Of New Court Order" ... I knew it!  Epstein and Maxwell didn't do it, Hawking did!
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: viocjit on August 07, 2020, 03:44:15 PM
CIA invented the term "conspiracy theory" to cover their completely amoral tracks, like the JFK assassination first of all.

Michael Butter wrote an article published in "Monday, March 16th, 2020" at "16:24 CET" for "The Conversation" about the fact CIA didn't invented the term : https://theconversation.com/theres-a-conspiracy-theory-that-the-cia-invented-the-term-conspiracy-theory-heres-why-132117
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
Maybe.  I do know that the CIA is a totally corrupt and evil organization that has no integrity.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: viocjit on August 14, 2020, 06:00:42 AM
Maybe.  I do know that the CIA is a totally corrupt and evil organization that has no integrity.

If CIA is a totally corrupt and evil organization that has not integrity isn't the matter.
The matter was if CIA did invented the term "Conspiracy Theory" and the answer is no

If CIA is a totally corrupt and evil organization that has not integrity is an interesting debate but I don't think this forum topic is the good place for this debate.
Why not create a new thread ?
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Mike Cl on August 14, 2020, 09:05:52 AM
If CIA is a totally corrupt and evil organization that has not integrity isn't the matter.
The matter was if CIA did invented the term "Conspiracy Theory" and the answer is no

If CIA is a totally corrupt and evil organization that has not integrity is an interesting debate but I don't think this forum topic is the good place for this debate.
Why not create a new thread ?
viocjit, he was not talking about the CIA, but himself.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
I was one degree from the Deep State when a young man.  I know how they think.  Not saying that total immorality is a bad thing, the end does justify the means.

So, saying there is no Deep State, pretty much suggests to me that you are or were part of the Deep State.  The most successful move of the Devil was to get people to believe that the Devil doesn't exist.  Next thing, you will be claiming that the Rothschilds aren't powerful and aren't Jewish.
Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: viocjit on August 18, 2020, 02:40:37 PM
I was one degree from the Deep State when a young man.  I know how they think.  Not saying that total immorality is a bad thing, the end does justify the means.

So, saying there is no Deep State, pretty much suggests to me that you are or were part of the Deep State.  The most successful move of the Devil was to get people to believe that the Devil doesn't exist.  Next thing, you will be claiming that the Rothschilds aren't powerful and aren't Jewish.

I'm not saying there are no deep state.
I think you can find deep states in all states of the world.
I think there are not an universal deep state but many who are fighting each others or collaborating accorded to circumstances.

There are not monolithic states.
A ministry can be against others ministry in some matters and with it in others.
In a same ministry there are conflicts between its administrations.
In a same administration there are people in conflicts.

There are the official written laws and the non official that aren't written.
For example the networks of freemasonry who practice judicial corruptions (Not all Freemasons are corrupts but some of them are. Freemasonry is not an unified organization because there are many grand lodges divided in lodges and there are conflicts between grand lodges. Sometime there are conflicts between lodges of the same grand lodge. Sometime there are conflicts between people inside a lodge) allow a system in which you will lose your trial because the plaintiff against you is a freemason like the judge.

Title: Re: Federal Judge's Family Shot and Killed Four Days After Assigned Epstein Case
Post by: Baruch on August 18, 2020, 02:56:00 PM
Well in news Trump is a pedo. Now we know why the case is being quieted.

Anyone under 100 (Father Abraham) is a pedo.  So by that I am pedo also  ;-)  Most of humanity is child like.