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Title: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 03, 2020, 09:46:46 PM
So, now that the Democrats have picked their candidate, we are supposed to pretend the third parties don't exist and concentrate ust on these two.

Let's have it,  stump for your preferred candidate.

Personally I think replacing Trump with Biden is like sitting your pants and then changing your shirt.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 03, 2020, 10:57:49 PM
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Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2020, 11:46:03 PM
The trick will be ... Biden & who??
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Shiranu on July 03, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
Up until very recently, I was planning on either voting Green or writing in Gabbard. Since Biden actually stands a chance in my state now, I will probably vote for him and so long as the Republicans don't nominate someone as batshit as Trump next election use that one to start protest voting.

This election is unfortunately too important to waste my vote though.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2020, 11:57:00 PM
Up until very recently, I was planning on either voting Green or writing in Gabbard. Since Biden actually stands a chance in my state now, I will probably vote for him and so long as the Republicans don't nominate someone as batshit as Trump next election use that one to start protest voting.

This election is unfortunately too important to waste my vote though.

Something I pondered for 44 years ... good luck ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 04, 2020, 01:16:28 AM
I'm almost tempted to vote for Trump just to see how bad things can possibly get.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 04, 2020, 02:31:35 AM
I'm voting for Biden. I live in a battleground state and have no interest in voting third party in this election. I see Trump as having done a particularly terrible job leading the country. I won't give a litany of his flaws and failures but the current state of the United States and its relationship with other countries is due in no small part to his mismanagement. My husband supported Trump but after his response to the COVID-19 pandemic he has lost faith, like many other Republicans, in Trump's ability to lead. Trump's presidency has gone beyond partisanship for us and made this election about removing someone who has proven he is incompetent.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 04, 2020, 03:47:11 AM
I'm almost tempted to vote for Trump just to see how bad things can possibly get.

Me too. I wanna see the world totally on fire.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 04, 2020, 08:08:39 AM
The trick will be ... Biden & who??

Good point.  It is a given that people will actually be voting for Biden's running mate to be president.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mermaid on July 04, 2020, 08:40:16 AM
How is this even a question?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on July 04, 2020, 09:07:44 AM
Personally I think replacing Trump with Biden is like sitting your pants and then changing your shirt.
In thinking about all the presidential choices I have been asked to make over many years, this election offers the worst choices I have ever been given.  Trump thinks America is great.  Of course that's because he's running it.  Biden thinks it's great too, the only problem being that Trump is running it.  He seems to want to return to the Obama years, but Biden is no Obama, and those years are long gone.  Granted I think Obama was one of our better presidents since I've been old enough to vote.  But we've had so many shitty presidents that saying Obama was one of the better ones is hardly a ringing endorsement.  In fact it's a mostly worthless endorsement.   

Try to look past the partisan bullshit and look at America as a country right now.  Take away the Republicans and the Democrats and just look at the country.   If you don't think anything needs to change, then either Trump or Biden is a good choice.  If you think it needs change, realize that it didn't just get this way 4 years ago.  It's been a slow process for at least 50 years, and any candidate who doesn't advocate serious change is telling me that he sees the country as OK. 

I've lived through a lot of years in my early life that seemed like America was pretty great.  Flawed for sure, but great by comparison to a lot of other countries.  Today, I don't see a great country.  I see a bickering country festering with self hatred putting more energy into fucking the other guy than creating a better environment for everyone.  I won't be around much longer, but taking solace in the fact that I'm leaving the country in better shape than I found it is not going to be one of my dying thoughts.  I will have happy thoughts, thank goodness, but that just won't be one of them.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 04, 2020, 09:14:06 AM
How is this even a question?

Good point.  During the Democratic Primary an effort was made to ensure we saw all 20 candidates.  Now that the major party primaries are over, we are only supposed to see two candidates.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mermaid on July 04, 2020, 10:14:14 AM
Good point.  During the Democratic Primary an effort was made to ensure we saw all 20 candidates.  Now that the major party primaries are over, we are only supposed to see two candidates.
I see one candidate.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2020, 10:42:37 AM
I see one candidate.

Hillary Clinton? ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2020, 11:14:10 AM
"Black people who were never slaves are fighting White people who were never Nazis over a Confederate statue erected by Democrats, because Democrats can’t stand their own history anymore.  This is somehow Trump’s fault.  Interesting." ... best comment on the Internet.  LARPing by crisis actors.  Probably triple agents like Robert Maxwell.

Never voted for Trump.  Never will.  But y'all need to step back from the drug stash you bought for 4th of July ;-)

I have decided I am too old to vote.  If I were voting, a 3rd party candidate would be my only choice.  Any 3rd party candidate.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." - Abraham Lincoln

Trump is waiting for the Darwin Award Democrats to fire on Ft Sumpter again.  He is tempting the Dems, the Dems aren't tempting him.  What Lincoln was doing.  "Go ahead, make my day" - Trump and Lincoln

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flt9K8vlJGE

"The deletion of historical memory and the renunciation of the heroes of the past paves the way for replacing the United States of America with something new. Maybe the Union of Soviet States of America?" ... UCSA ... Union of Chinese States of America?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 04, 2020, 03:01:42 PM
Good point.  During the Democratic Primary an effort was made to ensure we saw all 20 candidates.  Now that the major party primaries are over, we are only supposed to see two candidates.
That's sorta how primaries work.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 04, 2020, 03:32:51 PM
#ImWithHer
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 04, 2020, 07:42:56 PM
Here's a whataboutism: What about #Unity2020 ?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 04, 2020, 10:52:49 PM
Here's a whataboutism: What about #Unity2020 ?

The two party system is the natural development of a democratic republican system of power sharing.  People alone are weak.  So they form parties, churches, companies, unions to magnify their competitive power (and individuals lose their personal power to do this).  Eventually, in a city or a great nation, a nearly balanced two party system is formed because third parties are weak and never get anywhere (sorry).  This is partly because of the US system (Presidential system with pluralistic representation) say compared to Italy (Parliamentary system with proportional representation).  The problem with parliamentary systems is that you are often forced into coalitions governments ... because the polity is too divided.

One can argue as some do, that a parliamentary system is better, that proportional representation is better.  But the name "Unity2020" is utopian.  If there was just one person in your country, and they weren't schizoid, then you will have unity ;-)  Otherwise, given the desire for power and money, unequal competition will result.  And of course we have the one party dictatorship model of China.  Unity by bayonet.  The reality of human nature is that I am willing to put a shiv between your ribs to keep what I have, and get what I don't have ;-(
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 05, 2020, 12:24:48 AM
Jason Harvester, correct me if I'm wrong but if memory serves right, you don't vote?  I think you opened the same thread before the previous election and before the one before that with the same 'why do we have two parties only' rant?

Yeah I get it. Everyone gets it. However, if you don't run for a cave after every election and live there till the next one, what is so surprising about all this? What's the deal? How does Trump vs someone confuse you under all these circumstances?



Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 05, 2020, 03:20:03 AM
So, now that the Democrats have picked their candidate, we are supposed to pretend the third parties don't exist and concentrate ust on these two.

Let's have it,  stump for your preferred candidate.

Personally I think replacing Trump with Biden is like sitting your pants and then changing your shirt.

Well today is not the time to vote Libertarian. That party wants to act like Trump on steroids and burn everything and that means all the socialist programs, environmental and civil protections out the door. They even want to let the private sector run many things and have a naive approach to free trade and believe private companies are angels and won't screw us all to death.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 05, 2020, 08:52:54 AM
Actually I do vote, regularly, third party.

Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2020, 08:53:19 AM
Well today is not the time to vote Libertarian. That party wants to act like Trump on steroids and burn everything and that means all the socialist programs, environmental and civil protections out the door. They even want to let the private sector run many things and have a naive approach to free trade and believe private companies are angels and won't screw us all to death.

Why I am not a Republican

Why I am not a Democrat?  Running everything from the center, by committee.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 05, 2020, 11:21:18 AM
The two party system is the natural development of a democratic republican system of power sharing.  People alone are weak.  So they form parties, churches, companies, unions to magnify their competitive power (and individuals lose their personal power to do this).  Eventually, in a city or a great nation, a nearly balanced two party system is formed because third parties are weak and never get anywhere (sorry).  This is partly because of the US system (Presidential system with pluralistic representation) say compared to Italy (Parliamentary system with proportional representation).  The problem with parliamentary systems is that you are often forced into coalitions governments ... because the polity is too divided.
You write that as if coalition governments are bad. I view them as a net positive because of the vibrant discourse and *gasp* concessions and *double gasp* compromises the elected official are willing to make. This in turn results in genuine discussion in public - I'm wary of people talking about disagreements between political parties as if nothing gets done.

One can argue as some do, that a parliamentary system is better, that proportional representation is better.  But the name "Unity2020" is utopian.  If there was just one person in your country, and they weren't schizoid, then you will have unity ;-)  Otherwise, given the desire for power and money, unequal competition will result.  And of course we have the one party dictatorship model of China.  Unity by bayonet.  The reality of human nature is that I am willing to put a shiv between your ribs to keep what I have, and get what I don't have ;-(
#Unity2020 was, in large part, started by Bret Weinstein and has gotten a life of its own apart from its originators. I wouldn't dismiss it that easily offhand. We'll see if this rock will fly.

The people who only desire power and wealth are simpletons.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 05, 2020, 12:15:42 PM
Actually I do vote, regularly, third party.

Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.
Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc?  Got a plan for pandemics?  Global warming?  Universal healthcare?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2020, 03:13:40 PM
You write that as if coalition governments are bad. I view them as a net positive because of the vibrant discourse and *gasp* concessions and *double gasp* compromises the elected official are willing to make. This in turn results in genuine discussion in public - I'm wary of people talking about disagreements between political parties as if nothing gets done.
#Unity2020 was, in large part, started by Bret Weinstein and has gotten a life of its own apart from its originators. I wouldn't dismiss it that easily offhand. We'll see if this rock will fly.

The people who only desire power and wealth are simpletons.

Yes to the first part.  Per Bismarck if you don't like how sausage is made, you won't like how legislation is made ;-)  If you don't want disagreements, have a dictator, who is not schizoid.

Bret Weinstein was cucked by the degenerates at Evergreen College.  Like 2016 when Bernie was cucked by a couple of BLM bitches.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2020, 03:15:31 PM
Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc?  Got a plan for pandemics?  Global warming?  Universal healthcare?

Not a libertarian, but if you define that as a completely random free person, having any plan for anything is a contradiction.  A totally free person (lunatic?) isn't concerned about any collective problems.  They don't even have any concerns of their own.  Think of a beach bum in California during an LSD trip.

Sorry Dems, Trump made a pretty good speech yesterday, best since the State of the Union.  NYT of course, the former employer of Karl Marx, didn't like it.

Elite opinion?  If I can make a million dollars as a Democrat, I will support them.  If I can make a million dollars as a Republican, I will support them.  Complete degenerates, think Caligula.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 05, 2020, 05:01:40 PM
Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc?  Got a plan for pandemics?  Global warming?  Universal healthcare?

Yes.

I greatly want everyone to have access to affordable quality healthcare, so I want to find the reason the costs have risen faster than inflation and cut those reasons out.  The funny thing is if I am right about the reasons you will accuse me of wanting to prevent the poor from accessing healthcare while I attack the reasons.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 05, 2020, 05:07:22 PM
Well, I suppose you have no choice but to keep your genius plan secret then.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 06, 2020, 04:10:27 AM
Actually I do vote, regularly, third party.

Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.

My mistake. But then yeah, not that different than not voting. Because voting is not just about the party you want to vote for but also about the election system, the other parties, the hierarchy of the parties and the parties you don't want to vote for. Which is bullshit in theory and I absolutely agree with you on that.

However, it doesn't work that way. There is a fundemantal flaw in the understanding of concepts of 'democracy', 'constitution' or 'freedom' every where around the world but it seems that in the States it is another dimension because majority of Americans -from opposing groups- overestimate themselves, their culture, the system... That's a big mistake. It has a very big price.

This election is different. I'm not discussing if it is important for you or why you think they all have the same importance. Because if you can count all of those dates from the past 50 years like throwing confetti from a bag while voting for a third party, then Trump winning or losing doesn't really change anything for you. 

Jason, when people say 'we we will go 20 years backwards' they don't mean we are going to land in 90s like in science fiction movies. These people are hell bent on to change your system completely. I know it sounds comical to you now but going backwards in these circumstances, with these dynamics mean turning a lot of places to old Detroit in the States. And eventually breaking/dividing the United States of America.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2020, 09:14:51 AM
Elections are US permissive (fake) or Australian mandatory (fake).  The point of police is to protect the Elite.  The point of elections is to pacify the simps.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 06, 2020, 11:59:47 PM
I never thought I'd be in agreement with Draconic, but:
People that vote for libertarians are less respectable than any other voters, in my opinion. Yes, even less respectable than republican voters.

Plus, if you really think voting 3rd party is a good choice, let me offer you this suggestion that would do more to benefit you as well as our country. Try jerking off on to the voting booth and walk out without even voting. I guarantee it will have more of an outcome than voting for Jo Jorgensen or any other 3rd party candidate.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 07, 2020, 12:21:55 AM
"I'm Jo Jorgensen and I want you to know that I believe my job is to do nothing"
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 07, 2020, 02:32:00 AM
I never thought I'd be in agreement with Draconic, but:
People that vote for libertarians are less respectable than any other voters, in my opinion. Yes, even less respectable than republican voters.

Plus, if you really think voting 3rd party is a good choice, let me offer you this suggestion that would do more to benefit you as well as our country. Try jerking off on to the voting booth and walk out without even voting. I guarantee it will have more of an outcome than voting for Jo Jorgensen or any other 3rd party candidate.

I don't know. I often feel that if I had been an American., I would be very tempted to vote on neither Republicans nor democrats. But I think I would vote, third party if I found one that fit my wants better.

Would that vote ever make a difference? Probably no more than your specific vote ever would. Probably no less either. And if the only reason why it's concidered foolish to vote third party is that nobody ever votes third party,... Well that's the problem right there innit?

Look, I am in no place to get high and mighty. I think our country has the record of any industrialized western country of going without an elected government.

But I respect people who vote for voting, no more no less than that. And whatever choice, I respect making a choice equally. Even if one option aligns more than the other.

It's just that... Maybe I'm still young. But this American system does quite often seem to lead to a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. And no matter how much change y'all seem to want, you're just going to repeat that cycle every four years. And if that don't change,  how can anything else?

Break the wheel, khaleesi.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 07, 2020, 06:55:29 AM
I don't have libertarian values. I don't see protecting property rights, promoting laissez-faire capitalism and maximizing individual autonomy as the primary purpose of government. I prefer a strong government devoted to maximizing the well-being of its citizens than minimal government. I would join a third-party based on human-centered capitalism where humanity is more important than money; the unit of an economy is each person, not each dollar; and markets exist to serve our common goals and values.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 07, 2020, 10:29:13 AM
I don't know. I often feel that if I had been an American., I would be very tempted to vote on neither Republicans nor democrats. But I think I would vote, third party if I found one that fit my wants better.

Would that vote ever make a difference? Probably no more than your specific vote ever would. Probably no less either. And if the only reason why it's concidered foolish to vote third party is that nobody ever votes third party,... Well that's the problem right there innit?

Look, I am in no place to get high and mighty. I think our country has the record of any industrialized western country of going without an elected government.

But I respect people who vote for voting, no more no less than that. And whatever choice, I respect making a choice equally. Even if one option aligns more than the other.

It's just that... Maybe I'm still young. But this American system does quite often seem to lead to a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. And no matter how much change y'all seem to want, you're just going to repeat that cycle every four years. And if that don't change,  how can anything else?

Break the wheel, khaleesi.
There needs to be two things to happen in this country, and possibly other countries, but I'm just going to talk for the U.S.

1- There needs to be an abolishment of the party system, all together. No republican party, no democrat party, no 3rd parties. none of it. Just candidates and what they will do.
This will cause a few things to happen: voters will be forced to actually look in to who the candidates are and what they are going to do. Lobbies will also have a harder time bribing candidates, because of instead of bribing the party as a whole, they have to specifically target individuals. It will be more costly for them to spend money on the candidates this way and candidates will be bought out way less frequently.
2- there also needs to be an abolishment of the electoral college. For me, my vote literally doesn't matter. I live in New Jersey. A very "blue" state. Even though I will be voting Biden, it doesn't matter because Biden will win New Jersey no matter what... even if Biden literally shits himself in the debates, NJ will vote Biden.
In red states, no matter what, Trump will win.
It's all about targeting swing states. The fly-over states with no population and no industry... other than Iowa with their corn and Idaho with their potatoes, they have almost nothing. It doesn't matter if Biden or trump campaigns in texas or california or New York.... those states will always vote the way they will vote, but if the candidates target the swing states strategically, they win. And that is bullshit. 
It needs to be individual votes. Not "did you win this state? here is 11 points to your victory!"

Look at this map. When you know which ones are red and which are blue, historically. You know which candidate has "free points towards victory" and then they just need to close the gap in the rest of the places.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Electoral_College_2016.svg/1280px-Electoral_College_2016.svg.png)

These two things need to be legislated. Not just "i'm gonna vote for who I think is the best" when that candidate is a 3rd party candidate.... Because unfortunately going off of the "if everyone voted for who they genuinely thought was the best, we wouldnt have a problem" isn't how shit works. It's not reality. We need a solidified solution. A legislation.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 07, 2020, 12:29:06 PM
There needs to be two things to happen in this country, and possibly other countries, but I'm just going to talk for the U.S.

1- There needs to be an abolishment of the party system, all together. No republican party, no democrat party, no 3rd parties. none of it. Just candidates and what they will do.
This will cause a few things to happen: voters will be forced to actually look in to who the candidates are and what they are going to do. Lobbies will also have a harder time bribing candidates, because of instead of bribing the party as a whole, they have to specifically target individuals. It will be more costly for them to spend money on the candidates this way and candidates will be bought out way less frequently.
2- there also needs to be an abolishment of the electoral college. For me, my vote literally doesn't matter. I live in New Jersey. A very "blue" state. Even though I will be voting Biden, it doesn't matter because Biden will win New Jersey no matter what... even if Biden literally shits himself in the debates, NJ will vote Biden.
In red states, no matter what, Trump will win.
It's all about targeting swing states. The fly-over states with no population and no industry... other than Iowa with their corn and Idaho with their potatoes, they have almost nothing. It doesn't matter if Biden or trump campaigns in texas or california or New York.... those states will always vote the way they will vote, but if the candidates target the swing states strategically, they win. And that is bullshit. 
It needs to be individual votes. Not "did you win this state? here is 11 points to your victory!"

Look at this map. When you know which ones are red and which are blue, historically. You know which candidate has "free points towards victory" and then they just need to close the gap in the rest of the places.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Electoral_College_2016.svg/1280px-Electoral_College_2016.svg.png)

These two things need to be legislated. Not just "i'm gonna vote for who I think is the best" when that candidate is a 3rd party candidate.... Because unfortunately going off of the "if everyone voted for who they genuinely thought was the best, we wouldnt have a problem" isn't how shit works. It's not reality. We need a solidified solution. A legislation.

All very well put and thought out.

But, without any attempts at sounding condescending... Without judgment, ill intent or any malice whatsoever....

Do you think any elected Democrat or republican will enforce that change?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2020, 12:56:51 PM
A general discussion from elsewhere that is illuminative ...

https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/883/why-is-proportional-representation-not-considered-in-any-of-the-us-states

In the US proportional representation is based on geography and population.  Not on race, party or ideology.  The general term for problems with this is "malapportionment".  The US House was set up this way in the Constitution.  The US Senate and the WH were not.  The Senate was originally picked by processes in each state, per state legislature or per governor.  By Constitutional amendment, this was changed in regard to the US Senate in 1913.  At that time, senators started to be directly elected by popular vote two in each state.  Originally, the VP was the person with the second highest vote in the Electoral College.  In the case of a tie, there was no rule initially (disastrous in the election of 1800, leading to the fight between Thomas Jefferson, Aaron Burr and the duel between Burr and Hamilton).  There were no political parties per se, but there were strong ideologies at work, party organization was incoherent.  Then in 1804, the 12th Amendment provided that the President and VP are elected separately (no gold ring for #2) and that the Senate will decide ties in the Electoral College.

The application of geographical/population proportional representation trickled slowly into state and local politics as states were formed and their constitutions amended.  It wasn't until the Baker vs Carr decision of the SCOTUS in 1962, that the Federal Constitution was interpreted to mandate US-style proportional representation in the state legislatures. Before that malapportionment was common, with some voting districts having much more power per voter than other districts.  Local politics had kept this cosy arrangement legal.

Proportional representation based on party is the system usually used in Parliamentary democracies.  Israel's system is partly based on ethnicity (Non-Jews are partly disenfranchised) as was White S Africa.  The resolution of ideology representation vs party representation is resolved by new ideologies forming new parties (usually unsuccessfully in the US system).  There is no guarantee that a particular party will have representation in a parliamentary system, if that party is too small or dispersed over constituencies.  And of course the battle continues with gerrymandering of the redistricting process and ideological factions within parties.

The party system in any form of elected government, is a natural development out of variance and competition.  This was true by the 4th national election in the US (and the ennui between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson).  I don't see that ever changing, because it requires changing reality.  Of course in one-party states one is free to attempt to deny reality.  The Electoral College and any other part of the US Constitution can be amended, but that takes action by the government in DC, and agreement by a 75% of the states.  Any attempt to modify the legal pyramid (based on the US Constitution and from there down to local municipalities) requires working within the system.  There are problems with that.

But working outside of the existing legal system (that exists at any one time) is insurrection.  Essentially that is what the Confederacy did, legally state by state, but there was no provision in the US Constitution then or now, to provide for orderly secession.  There had already been a fight over nullification (that a state can directly refuse to support federal law) and the secession movement of 1860 was a continuation of that.  Earlier, SC had tried to nullify a federal law, under slave-holding President Andrew Jackson, and he had threatened to invade SC if they tried.  Sanctuary cities are a present example of nullification.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2020, 01:08:11 PM
At election time, one is free to imagine candidates one likes better, parties one likes better, or political machinery one likes better.  Which may or may not be related to some desired change to policy (legal marijuana for example).  This blows off steam from the friction of the body politic (how can I benefit myself and my friends and screw my opponents), which the MSM enflames.  The alternative to elections of some sort, or at least confirmation votes of those appointed (members of the President's cabinet or SCOTUS are confirmed by the US Senate) is dictatorship or chaos.  Even in Red China, there must be intense competitions happening within the Communist Party, that are opaque to the Chinese public.  Need I mention Lin Biao?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 07, 2020, 09:34:49 PM
All very well put and thought out.

But, without any attempts at sounding condescending... Without judgment, ill intent or any malice whatsoever....

Do you think any elected Democrat or republican will enforce that change?
If we riot, yes.

We either have to, as citizens, make them see profit in it, or see the adverse things that can happen for them, if change doesn't occur. I personally like the latter of the two. Fuck those assholes. They don't care about us... just themselves.

I'm fully in favor of countrywide riots until they buckle.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 07, 2020, 09:41:48 PM
I don't know. I often feel that if I had been an American., I would be very tempted to vote on neither Republicans nor democrats. But I think I would vote, third party if I found one that fit my wants better.

Would that vote ever make a difference? Probably no more than your specific vote ever would. Probably no less either. And if the only reason why it's concidered foolish to vote third party is that nobody ever votes third party,... Well that's the problem right there innit?
In a proportional voting system (or ranked voting), that would work just fine.  But the USA's first-past-the-post voting system is structured to only truly support a two-party system.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2020, 10:04:06 PM
If we riot, yes.

We either have to, as citizens, make them see profit in it, or see the adverse things that can happen for them, if change doesn't occur. I personally like the latter of the two. Fuck those assholes. They don't care about us... just themselves.

I'm fully in favor of countrywide riots until they buckle.

Yes, there is profit, if on the Soros payroll ;-)  People who are anti-capitalist value ideology, not money.  I don't exactly disapprove though.  I deny the reality of morality, ethics or legality.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 08, 2020, 04:06:30 AM
In my opinion, the United States of America is the only country where people could actually collapse a system to build a new one. Actually, this is the second round of THE attempt to change this system which was already started in the past. But it is not a sprint, it's a marathon. You have passed the half mark. It is not just hard protesting either. You need to unite against the right nutters in every part of life from daily life to professional. You could do it actually.

This is not just about politics or elections. All groups against need to meet on a common denominator and stand up for each other. Learn to say NO to every kind of provocation. Boycotts of protests of all kinds. 

If people learned to say no to be manipulated, resisted to be triggered, stop watching/listening any kind of propaganda and unite even without lifting a finger, every politician, party, state size corporate around the world would shit themselves right there and then and we would have smelled it from where we sit. LOL

What a dream...pffft

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 08, 2020, 06:28:08 AM
If we riot, yes.

We either have to, as citizens, make them see profit in it, or see the adverse things that can happen for them, if change doesn't occur. I personally like the latter of the two. Fuck those assholes. They don't care about us... just themselves.

I'm fully in favor of countrywide riots until they buckle.

Might want to step it up to actual domestic terrorism.
Honestly, if those are your means, you'll practically need a full fledged civil war.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 08, 2020, 10:24:18 AM
That's neither the intention, nor the means but the eventual end if forced for survival.

Not just talking about the States. It's good advice to everyone who thinks they're untouchable about not to get too comfortable with the popcorn and the feeling of fake safety.

After all, you westerners are generally, really, really stupid in the end.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 08, 2020, 11:03:25 AM


After all, you westerners are generally, really, really stupid in the end.

That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 08, 2020, 11:32:04 AM
After all, you westerners are generally, really, really stupid in the end.

That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.

Meanwhile trying to make sense of the chaos.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 11:58:17 AM

That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.

See, we can't all be Central Asian horsemen with compound bows and big mustaches ;-)  Of course the Han Chinese (thru the Mulan cartoon) would tell you that those kinds of people are "problematic".
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 11:59:21 AM
In my opinion, the United States of America is the only country where people could actually collapse a system to build a new one. Actually, this is the second round of THE attempt to change this system which was already started in the past. But it is not a sprint, it's a marathon. You have passed the half mark. It is not just hard protesting either. You need to unite against the right nutters in every part of life from daily life to professional. You could do it actually.

This is not just about politics or elections. All groups against need to meet on a common denominator and stand up for each other. Learn to say NO to every kind of provocation. Boycotts of protests of all kinds. 

If people learned to say no to be manipulated, resisted to be triggered, stop watching/listening any kind of propaganda and unite even without lifting a finger, every politician, party, state size corporate around the world would shit themselves right there and then and we would have smelled it from where we sit. LOL

What a dream...pffft

You are such an idealist.  And think that the US is special, just like R or D politicians.  Who knew?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:00:14 PM
Might want to step it up to actual domestic terrorism.
Honestly, if those are your means, you'll practically need a full fledged civil war.

Dems gotta do what Dems gotta do.  How about civil war in Belgium?  Sound good?  No?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 08, 2020, 12:01:17 PM

That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.

Not only when one part describes themselves as the epitome of that humanity and the rest as the other, sweety.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:03:42 PM
That's neither the intention, nor the means but the eventual end if forced for survival.

Not just talking about the States. It's good advice to everyone who thinks they're untouchable about not to get too comfortable with the popcorn and the feeling of fake safety.

After all, you westerners are generally, really, really stupid in the end.

In the end, all individuals fail at survival.  Just ask my parents et al.  Whether this "quantum meme" of culture continues rolling along is secondary, but is everything to collectivists.  That and the "salt boy" wants to control the ocean.  From time to time, in spite of people trying to understand it or to prevent it or to start it or control it ... major "solitary waves" happen.  And famous people, who didn't create the big wave, but who surf the wave, get to act like they are in charge, not Chaos (oldest Greek god).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:04:45 PM
That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.


Meanwhile trying to make sense of the chaos.

Sounds impossible to me.  Isn't that a self contradictory sentence?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 08, 2020, 12:05:46 PM
You are such an idealist.  And think that the US is special, just like R or D politicians.  Who knew?

And you are such a moron but I don't slap it with you. No, I don't think the US is special, I just know it is a concept -like too much people on earth- more than a country and trying to describe you some bits you can't see. I wish you would listen. At least a bit. 
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:08:02 PM
Not only when one part describes themselves as the epitome of that humanity and the rest as the other, sweety.

Everyone is part of their own master race, population of one.  Whether they group into larger groups is guaranteed, because it is survival, just as you say.  A game we all lose eventually.  Think of the world as "Ship of Fools" all fighting for the non-functional life boats, while much more divided than into crew vs passengers but men vs women & children.  Mortality is hard to think about individually, let alone collectively.  Tribes rise and fall, but the individuals in every tribe are doomed.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
And you are such a moron but I don't slap it to you. No, I don't think the US is special, I just know it is a concept -like too much people on earth- more than a country and trying to describe you some bits you can't see. I wish you would listen. At least a bit.

So you don't think we are special as people, but possess a political "secret sauce" that can be implemented by any ethnic group or mix of ethnic groups?  Vladimir Putin and Emperor Xi beg to differ.

You think, I think, that America is special, other than I happen to live here?  If I were born in Germany, and an adult in Nazi times, I should support the Third Reich ... same with any other country or time.

Yes, there are too many people, but who says?  If people are devalued (as I often argue) then population should be reduced, to reduce liability.  If people are valued, then more people is an asset.  Nauru vs China?  Of course, it is hard to understand another, but we try.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 08, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
Sounds impossible to me.  Isn't that a self contradictory sentence?
I admit "trying" is doing the heavy lifting in that sentence.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:22:40 PM
I admit "trying" is doing the heavy lifting in that sentence.

Would you believe ... trying to make sense of a civil war/world war?  That isn't chaos, that is deliberate.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 08, 2020, 12:32:58 PM
Would you believe ... trying to make sense of a civil war/world war?  That isn't chaos, that is deliberate.
I could probably trace the underpinnings for a civil war or a world war and understand it.

My point was more of a less-than-salient attempt at a point about the senselessness and indecipherability  of reality. I'm not as optimistic as physicists - or what have you - attempting to explain it, or that any oné person can hold all this shit in their head simultaneously. We specialize for a pretty damn good reason.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:34:56 PM
I could probably trace the underpinnings for a civil war or a world war and understand it.

My point was more of a less-than-salient attempt at a point about the senselessness and indecipherability  of reality. I'm not as optimistic as physicists - or what have you - attempting to explain it, or that any oné person can hold all this shit in their head simultaneously. We specialize for a pretty damn good reason.

This is why people make up ideologies.  We put together a pet system of meaning, and then force fit events to it.  Revisionism isn't just for historians.  The meaning of current events is clear, if you are a Marxist or a Capitalist.  Centrists on the other hand ...

The US is in the final throws of inevitable change that will result in national communism - if you are a Stalinist
The US and the rest of the world is in the final throws of inevitable change that will result in international communism - if you are a Trot.
The US is a hegemon with many competitors, let free competition happen so that the market can decide - if you are a US capitalist.
France is the political and cultural capital of humanity - Jacobins in Paris shortly before the guillotine terminated them

“They think they will come to power.  That will never happen of course.  They will be lined up against the wall and shot.” - Yuri Bezmenov talking about the “useful idiots”.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 08, 2020, 01:39:52 PM
Not only when one part describes themselves as the epitome of that humanity and the rest as the other, sweety.

The fact That relatively few people who live in 'better conditions' tend to think like that because of those conditions, doesn' t make those in 'worse conditions' smarter. Were the places reversed, I bet the same thoughts would be held by the others. And in fact, group think is prevalent throughout the globe.

Because in general people are stupid, selfish and in no way shape or form 'inherently good' or altruistic. All people. No matter where 'power' resides. Be it west, east, south or north.

We suck. We can deal with that. Or we can't.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 08, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
Dems gotta do what Dems gotta do.  How about civil war in Belgium?  Sound good?  No?

Sounds plausible. :( more than a few grenades have exploded in my city. Though they are suspected of being drug-related instead of politics.
Then again we are the epitome of artificialness when countries are concerned.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 02:13:01 PM
Sounds plausible. :( more than a few grenades have exploded in my city. Though they are suspected of being drug-related instead of politics.
Then again we are the epitome of artificialness when countries are concerned.

We can hope it is only drug crime.  But when some political party lines up with the local criminal element, that creates a new problem.  Now you have both SJWs and killers working together.  Why were the French royals executed?  Because they were in conspiracy with foreign powers, to regain power.  That was a bad idea.  What if in 1788, the French Left wanted the Turks to invade France to help defeat the royalists?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 08, 2020, 02:14:57 PM
The fact That relatively few people who live in 'better conditions' tend to think like that because of those conditions, doesn' t make those in 'worse conditions' smarter. Were the places reversed, I bet the same thoughts would be held by the others. And in fact, group think is prevalent throughout the globe.

Because in general people are stupid, selfish and in no way shape or form 'inherently good' or altruistic. All people. No matter where 'power' resides. Be it west, east, south or north.

We suck. We can deal with that. Or we can't.

Yeah, the thing is the fact that the person who wrote his post and the person who liked it, are white heterosexual males talking about 'oh some people bad and stupid some or not'.

I've made a decision to act like a human in this forum, and I'm gonna stick to that as much as I can. But you are so fucking DUMB and CLUELESS about real life, sometimes I really have no idea how to act.

And this is not something I -or anyone- could explain in a post. 

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 02:25:52 PM
You are full of yourself?  Nah, inconceivable! (you know who you are)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhXjcZdk5QQ

You people are just ... funny villains.  Smart enough to not start a land war in Asia, but not smart enough to avoid the poisoned chalice.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 08, 2020, 04:48:23 PM
Yeah, the thing is the fact that the person who wrote his post and the person who liked it, are white heterosexual males talking about 'oh some people bad and stupid some or not'.
Not only when one part describes themselves as the epitome of that humanity and the rest as the other, sweety.

Alright then...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 08, 2020, 05:25:10 PM


Alright then...

OK. If it is not please tell me.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 08, 2020, 05:27:08 PM
This post is dedicated to Jason Harvestdancer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8scSwaKbE64
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 08, 2020, 05:53:02 PM
OK. If it is not please tell me.

No, thanks. I think it is fine. Wouldn't know what I could contribute to that.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 08, 2020, 06:03:34 PM
No, thanks. I think it is fine. Wouldn't know what I could contribute to that.

NO, It's NOT FINE. And you perfectly know what you contribute to or not. Let me spell it for you: LGBT+
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 08, 2020, 06:17:21 PM
NO, It's NOT FINE. And you perfectly know what you contribute to or not. Let me spell it for you: LGBT+

Okay, now you're just plain starting to lose me. I'm talking about contributing to the conversation you and I are having. Not sure what exactly you are getting at here.

Edit: Just saw your three posts in "The Last Person to post wins Episode VIII". Guessing you being drunk might have something to do with this miscommunication?
No worries. Enjoy the buzz, will see your posts post drunkness.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on July 08, 2020, 07:12:58 PM
My electoral calculus is pretty straightforward -- the Democrats started off with the simple fact that nearly any of the candidates down to the third tier would be a better president than Trump has been.  I'd've been perfectly happy to vote for Sanders, Warren, Harris, Buttigieg -- the only ones that would have given me pause were Gabbard, Williamson and Bloomberg.  And I will be perfectly happy to vote for Biden this fall.  First choice?  No.  Better than the alternative?  By lightyears.  Simply repairing our relationship with the other Western democracies will be worth it.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 09, 2020, 11:41:13 AM
You are full of yourself?  Nah, inconceivable! (you know who you are)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhXjcZdk5QQ

You people are just ... funny villains.  Smart enough to not start a land war in Asia, but not smart enough to avoid the poisoned chalice.


You've chosen your poison?

Anyways progress has intermediary steps, in most cases, much like trying to jump up a wall, when you can use the fucking stairs to get up. Get Trump out of the White House.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
Get all politicians out of Washington.  Return to Crown Colony status with King George III, Huzzah!

"TRUMP FINALLY DEPLOYS FEDS TO CRUSH CRIME SURGE, NEW POLLS SHOWS BLM RIOTS LEAD TO TRUMP LANDSLIDE" .. Federal cops, not National Guard.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 09, 2020, 05:54:35 PM
My electoral calculus is pretty straightforward -- the Democrats started off with the simple fact that nearly any of the candidates down to the third tier would be a better president than Trump has been.
Mine isn't so much calculus as it is basic math (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/506549-jill-biden-promises-if-bidens-elected-no-more-betsy-devos).  While this primary process didn't go how I wanted (I didn't want petroleum flakes) and was kinda sketchy besides, I can't deny that Biden's a lot better than the alternative and perhaps some good can come out of it (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/506432-sanders-biden-climate-task-force-calls-for-carbon-free-electricity).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 14, 2020, 07:52:07 PM
"White House Folds On Decision Barring Foreign Students From Online-Classes-Only This Fall" ... good, the ICE decision was hasty, even if (not) all out of state students are Chinese.

"Solomon: Joe Biden's Energy Adviser Aided Kremlin Nuclear Agenda" ... still covering up Uranium One, and blaming it on Trump

"Biden Unveils $2 Trillion Plan To Move US To "100% Clean Energy" By 2035" ... Environment Czar AOC?  Michael Moore already showed this is a scam (unfortunately). "A chicken in every pot, and a Tesla in every garage." ... another Tesla ran into the back of a stopped police car while on auto.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 15, 2020, 03:10:02 PM
Trump flails and fails against Biden (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/difficult-attack-vanilla-trump-s-throwing-everything-biden-nothing-sticks-n1233097)

Quote
President Donald Trump and his campaign have spent months deploying a series of attacks depicting Joe Biden as weak, unfit and a tool of leftists.

But as Biden rises in the polls, it's becoming increasingly clear that the attacks aren't sticking. So Trump's mission to define Biden to voters has proven difficult.
I've seen some of the negative ads and so far it's just basic brain-dead republican talking points.  "Radical leftist who will increase taxes and create burdensome regulations!"  It tellingly omits exactly which policies are radical (policies that are watered-down versions of stuff our European allies accomplished decades ago) and who considers them to be radical, who these taxes will mainly apply to (it's fun to watch people who make 20k a year be outraged by the existence of estate taxes and capital gains taxes), and what problems these regulations are designed to address.

My favorite anti-Biden smear so far is that he's some super far-left commie.  Oh man, those are real gut-busters.

Trump really went all in on statues, which is weird considering most Americans' concerns are far more mundane.  Simple stuff like not dying because some idiot can't cover his face, not getting evicted, getting back into the workforce without becoming a casualty of it, and access to affordable healthcare.  Problems that Trump and his buddies have never experienced in their entire silver-spoon lives.

It's the economy, stupid!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 15, 2020, 04:25:49 PM
Trump flails and fails against Biden (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/difficult-attack-vanilla-trump-s-throwing-everything-biden-nothing-sticks-n1233097)
I've seen some of the negative ads and so far it's just basic brain-dead republican talking points.  "Radical leftist who will increase taxes and create burdensome regulations!"  It tellingly omits exactly which policies are radical (policies that are watered-down versions of stuff our European allies accomplished decades ago) and who considers them to be radical, who these taxes will mainly apply to (it's fun to watch people who make 20k a year be outraged by the existence of estate taxes and capital gains taxes), and what problems these regulations are designed to address.

My favorite anti-Biden smear so far is that he's some super far-left commie.  Oh man, those are real gut-busters.

Trump really went all in on statues, which is weird considering most Americans' concerns are far more mundane.  Simple stuff like not dying because some idiot can't cover his face, not getting evicted, getting back into the workforce without becoming a casualty of it, and access to affordable healthcare.  Problems that Trump and his buddies have never experienced in their entire silver-spoon lives.

It's the economy, stupid!

Nope, Joe Biden isn't a communist.  He will be a ventriloquism dummy for commies AOC, BLM and Bernie Sanders.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 15, 2020, 04:28:21 PM
"Kanye West Is Reportedly Pulling Out Of Presidential Race After Polling At Just 2% In National Survey" ... sad, guess BPDM (Black Politicians Don't Matter) is a thing.

"Police Say Texas A&M Student Who Found Racist Notes On His Car Put Them There" ... so many KKK out there (not) the Dems have to fake it.

"Another Poll Finds Biden Beating Trump - Except Most Surveyed Believe 'Silent Majority' Will Hand President Win" ... CIA will fix the election, as they have since 1960.  CIA has done a great job preventing Americans from running their own country ;-))

"Over A Third Of Americans Believe Biden Is Incapable Of Debating Trump" ... those are the Republicans.  So do Independents or Democrats even have an IQ above 80?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 16, 2020, 01:26:27 PM
"Biden campaign responds to Police association jumping ship, endorsing Trump" ... if I were my nephews, and Biden's house caught on fire or was broke into I would stay at the station with my coffee and donuts ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 18, 2020, 04:14:40 PM
I suppose since third parties in general and the Libertarian Party in particular are so bad I have to choose between a mentally challenged senile pedophile sex offender and a mentally challenged senile pedophile sex offender.  Which senile sex offender is better?  I really don't know.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 04:54:34 PM
I suppose since third parties in general and the Libertarian Party in particular are so bad I have to choose between a mentally challenged senile pedophile sex offender and a mentally challenged senile pedophile sex offender.  Which senile sex offender is better?  I really don't know.

Sex isn't a sin ;-)  Senility comes to all who live long enough.  Old people just hope we don't make fools of ourselves before we go ;-))

I usually didn't vote by party when I was still voting.  I voted for the individual, with a nod to the party being part of the whole package.  I have voted for the lesser of two evils, but I disavow that now, why I voted Gary Johnson in 2016 (my daughter did too).  Please one and all, consider politics to be a particularly vile spectator sport.  Unless you are in office, taking bribes and making false promises, you aren't really playing.  Bear baiting and cock fighting are more civilized.

Our system is the worst of the Romans combined with the worst of the Greeks.  The Greek part being a contradiction ... Plato's Republic (aka Guardians, hence the name of the vile Left newspaper) combined with the democracy he totally opposed.

"BIDEN AND TRUMP BOTH CLAIM FOREIGN INTERFERENCE??! SOO NO ONE WILL BELIEVE THE ELECTION RESULTS" ... there is no truth, just lies!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on July 19, 2020, 10:38:38 AM
Oh this outcome is going to be difficult.  if the margin of victory is less than the number of potentially contested votes both sides will not only claim the other side cheated they will also claim foreign influence.  Biden will say Trump is backed by the Russians and Trump will say Biden is backed by the Chinese.

By the way, how many elections did the US interfere with around the world?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 19, 2020, 10:52:48 AM
Oh this outcome is going to be difficult.  if the margin of victory is less than the number of potentially contested votes both sides will not only claim the other side cheated they will also claim foreign influence.  Biden will say Trump is backed by the Russians and Trump will say Biden is backed by the Chinese.

By the way, how many elections did the US interfere with around the world?

Satan backs both parties.  The Chinese and Russians are innocent ;-)

"ANTIFA LEFTISTS TORCH PORTLAND POLICE UNION IN NIGHT 52 OF RIOTS, MEDIA BLAMES TRUMP AND POLICE" ... Portland is queer ;-)  The mayor is also the chief of police.  No separation of powers.  Also I suspect that the mayor is the local head of AntiFa.  Arson is protest?  Yes, all Black male crimes are reparations ;-) ... but why is Black on Black crime the majority of their many crimes?  Yes, White cops make you take drugs.  Just ask George Floyd.

Yes the mayor of Portland is in charge of the WH ... sure, wait until you get over your DTs, druggie.

Again, N Ireland is the model.  Sinn Féin = DNC, IRA = AntiFa.

My daughter and I agree that the Feds should have uniforms, so you can tell who you are dealing with.  Marked cars also.  But the uniform should be Judge Dredd style.  And armed with flame throwers.  That way they can go to registered Dem voter homes, and eliminate the commie and Covid infections at once (sarc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5tFAb53VwA

If you see Judge Dred approach, you will not try to resist arrest like George Floyd ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qolk_rDA9xU
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Rosycheeked_rebel on July 19, 2020, 04:46:47 PM
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Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 19, 2020, 05:40:50 PM
A huge chunk of people from the left are still planning on writing in Bernie or whoever, and making it known getting rid of Trump will not be the end all be it. But a lot of them have drunk the Biden Kool-Aid. This man will not last a year in office.
What is this based on?  Gut feelings?  Cause I'm looking at fairly recent polls that have about 87% of Bernie voters voting for Biden (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/upshot/democrats-united-poll-election.html) at the end of the day.  I mean, FFS it would take a pretty bizarre Bernie supporter to prefer Bernie completely out of the picture over the Bernie-Biden taskforce.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 19, 2020, 05:54:19 PM
And before I forget, some polls have Biden leading by 15 points (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/19/biden-trump-polls-matchup-369261), much more than Clinton.  I was getting some 2016 deja vu B.C. (before coronavirus) but this crisis has changed all that.  Trump's favorability has gone into the toilet, and while he will still capture 40-44ish percent of the votes (gotta love the poorly educated), that's not enough to win.

Trump's strength is 2016 is that he was a political unknown with a populist message and people were fed up with the status quo.  In 2020, Trump is very much defined - and in extremely unflattering terms - that populist message is nowhere to be found, and Trumpism is basically associated with injecting bleach, spouting alternative facts, and cheering for police brutality and secret police.  It's not a good look.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 19, 2020, 06:00:30 PM
You people still believe polls?  And I am a Nigerian prince.

"Mail In Voting BACKFIRES On Democrats, Thousands Of Ballots From Young And Minority Voters REJECTE.." … remember when everyone was scandalized by the broken Iowa caucus Hillary made app?  100,000 mail in ballots weren't counted in the Dem California primary!  The primaries are invalid, so how valid can the general election get??

"More Voter Fraud EXPOSED, Mailman Pleads Guilty, Cat Gets Voter Forms, 2020 Chaos Has ALREADY Begu.." … my cats should get voter forms.  They are smarter than any D/R simian.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 20, 2020, 09:52:04 AM
You people still believe polls?  And I am a Nigerian prince.
Yeah, why even do statistics? :blahblah:
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2020, 10:04:16 AM
Yeah, why even do statistics? :blahblah:

Deplorables (voters) fail arithmetic.  Using statistics completely baffles them.  Very useful for politics.

There are honest figures and graphs, but never in politics.  Politics is where fact and truth go to die.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 20, 2020, 11:23:34 AM
Opinion polls is a sample size of the population of how they will vote. People know this.

 Politics isn't even about facts or truth, that's a category error on your part - but you use this as a rhetorical device, miserably.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on July 20, 2020, 07:40:39 PM
Interesting news item today -- Ohio's former governor, Republican John Kasich, is expected to speak in support of the convention nominee this fall.  At the Democratic convention (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ohio-republican-kasich-expected-to-back-biden-at-democratic-convention-2020-07-20).

Kasich is still popular here in Ohio -- hell, I disagree with him up and down the line, but even I have some respect for him.  If he makes it okay for conservative-leaning Independents and non-sociopathic Republicans to vote Democratic, that's very nearly game over.  It certainly should have an effect here in Ohio, which is juuuuuust starting to tilt bluewards anyway.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 20, 2020, 07:52:49 PM
Interesting news item today -- Ohio's former governor, Republican John Kasich, is expected to speak in support of the convention nominee this fall.  At the Democratic convention (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ohio-republican-kasich-expected-to-back-biden-at-democratic-convention-2020-07-20).

Kasich is still popular here in Ohio -- hell, I disagree with him up and down the line, but even I have some respect for him.  If he makes it okay for conservative-leaning Independents and non-sociopathic Republicans to vote Democratic, that's very nearly game over.
It'd be nice for the Republicans as well.  They don't have to go down with the ship and won't be marginalized as Trump loyalists certainly will be.  And truth be told, the Democrats' right-wing isn't all that far from the Republicans' left-wing, if they can make it over there.  From there, they can just portray themselves as centrists and cast Trump as an extremist, rogue element who took over their party and steered it away from its core values.  I dunno if I'd be very convinced by that, but I'm not the one they'd be trying to convince.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on July 20, 2020, 08:02:24 PM
It'd be nice for the Republicans as well.  They don't have to go down with the ship and won't be marginalized as Trump loyalists certainly will be.  And the Democrats' right-wing isn't all that far from the Republicans' left-wing, if they can make it over there.  From there, they can just portray themselves as centrists and cast Trump as an extremist, rogue element who took over their party and steered it away from its core values.  I dunno if I'd be very convinced by that, but I'm not the one they'd be trying to convince.
I disagree with one thing here: Trump is not a rogue element, he's a distillation of what the main Republican party has become over the last 40 years: intolerant, racist, misogynistic, plutocratic, dishonest (even by politicians' standards), irresponsible and hypocritical.  The real tragedy is that it's taken this long for a minority of well-placed Republicans to even notice there's a problem in their ranks.  I mean, yes, glad that it's happening, but they've let the party go so far beyond the edge, I question whether it can be brought back without an actual schism breaking it into two parties.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on July 20, 2020, 08:14:40 PM
I disagree with one thing here: Trump is not a rogue element, he's a distillation of what the main Republican party has become over the last 40 years:
It almost makes me look back in nostalgia remembering William F Buckley.  But that was back in the day when I could actually make some sense out of the conservative agenda.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2020, 08:24:09 PM
Opinion polls is a sample size of the population of how they will vote. People know this.

 Politics isn't even about facts or truth, that's a category error on your part - but you use this as a rhetorical device, miserably.

It is how the people are chosen, how the questions are phrased.  Back to Commie school for you, comrade ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2020, 08:26:31 PM
It almost makes me look back in nostalgia remembering William F Buckley.  But that was back in the day when I could actually make some sense out of the conservative agenda.

He expelled the John Birch folks from the Republican party.  He was Catholic.  And he used enough words you could always learn new vocabulary from him ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on July 20, 2020, 10:06:14 PM
It almost makes me look back in nostalgia remembering William F Buckley.  But that was back in the day when I could actually make some sense out of the conservative agenda.
I never thought I'd look back fondly (well, kind of fondly) at William F (fucking!) Buckley.  :)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on July 20, 2020, 11:26:20 PM
I never thought I'd look back fondly (well, kind of fondly) at William F (fucking!) Buckley.  :)
Shit, I never thought I'd look back fondly on Richard M (motherfucker!) Nixon!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2020, 06:51:17 AM
"America’s “Days of Rage”: The Extensive Left-Wing Bombings & Domestic Terrorism of the 1970s" - Black Panthers, SLA etc.  BLM even has a Weathermen veteran on their board.

"Tucker Carlson Livid; Dismantles The New York Times Over Alleged Plan To Dox Him" - Dems should just go John Wiles Booth
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Sal1981 on July 21, 2020, 09:23:25 AM
It is how the people are chosen, how the questions are phrased.  Back to Commie school for you, comrade ;-)
Wtf are you talking about? If I ask the same question phrased differently a second time, you expect different answers?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2020, 10:06:29 AM
Wtf are you talking about? If I ask the same question phrased differently a second time, you expect different answers?

It is unfair to shoot fish in a barrel.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2020, 10:08:44 AM
"McDonald's employees in Detroit walk off job to cheers as part of national strike" … this used to be called a General Strike in communist lingo.  Let all the Dems who still work, go home.  There are plenty of honest non-Dems who need to take those jobs.  Then any unemployed need to be deported to Somalia … I mean Minneapolis.

"Red Bull Fires "Woke" Diversity Directors Who Tried To Push For BLM Support... corporations which have pandered to the Dem IRA … are realizing that this violent revolution might be fatal to their stock prices ..."there will be fewer jobs for communist college graduates in the future.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2020, 06:03:28 PM
"Civil War 2.0 Is Upon Us, Far Left Breaches Federal Court, Democrats REJECT Federal Jurisdiction"... arrest all Dem members of Congress, announce martial law … suspend all elections.  Put Dem Congressman next to Ms Maxwell, so they can get re-acquainted.

Send in the Army to occupy Portland.

O, I wish I was in the land of commies
Old times there are not forgotten
Look away! Look away!
Look away!  Oregon

Dems, once again, jump the shark as in 1860.

Durham shouldn't wait until after the election to reveal the indictments, if any.  We need to know who is in Jefferson Davis' cabinet in Richmond.

I wouldn't have chosen Trump to play Lincoln, or Biden to play Davis … but you go to war with what you got - Rumsfeld.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Helm_15_conspiracy_theories

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-how-the-us-military-would-put-down-an-armed-rebellion
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2020, 07:14:51 PM
"Top Biden communications aide has history of sexist Twitter posts" … so much like his pussy grabbing boss

"Trump signs order to prevent illegal immigrants from being counted in redrawing of voting districts" … if illegal aliens aren't enfranchised, will there be any Dem voters?

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 22, 2020, 08:02:25 PM
"St. Louis Prosecutor's Office Busted Altering Evidence; Reassembled Non-Operable McCloskey Pistol To Classify As Lethal" … money in 2018 for DA campaigns came from Soros

""Death And Bomb Threats" Made Against China's Embassy In Washington; Beijing Blames Trump" … feel sorry for the guys there and in Houston Consulate who will have to reconstruct lost documents from the shredder

"Trump Authorizes "Surge" Of Federal Agents Into Cities Plagued By Violence, Including Chicago" … Lincoln "surges" Union troops into Federal forts south of the Mason-Dixon Line.

"Philly DA Says He'll Prosecute Trump 'Stormtroopers' Sent To Control BLM Chaos" … another Soros beneficiary

"JPMorgan Managed Millions For Ghislaine Maxwell Despite Booting Epstein In 2013" … banks only exist for money laundering

"Facebook's Neutral "Fact Checkers" Exposed As Ex-CNN Staffers And Democratic Donors" … aka CIA

"NY Riot Cops Disband 'Occupy City Hall' Encampment In Pre-Dawn Raid" … another CHAZ prevented
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 22, 2020, 08:38:26 PM
"Biden ratchets up racism allegations against president, Trump campaign calls claim 'outrageous'" … says Trump is first racist President … uh uh George Washington.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on July 22, 2020, 08:59:37 PM
Biden gets big donor help (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/16/us/politics/joe-biden-fund-raising.html)

Quote
Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. raised tens of millions of dollars in the last three months from major donors who gave more than $100,000, relying on some of the Democratic Party’s deepest pockets to sharply shrink President Trump’s financial advantage, according to new federal filings.

Quote
Mr. Biden’s biggest benefactors in the second quarter of 2020, when he became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, represent a who’s who of billionaires and influencers in Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Wall Street and beyond.
Good?  I suppose so.  Politics is very much a fundraising game, after all.  Though I do wonder what exactly these kind-hearted benefactors expect in return.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 23, 2020, 12:49:04 AM
Whoever win, there will be a civil war.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
There is still time to pray.  I know I am ;-)

A real US civil war will be with nukes, 60 million dead.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on July 23, 2020, 01:40:42 PM
I hear the Trump campaign has already spent nearly a billion dollars! Biden better get busy betimes!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2020, 05:24:12 PM
I hear the Trump campaign has already spent nearly a billion dollars! Biden better get busy betimes!

Give him all your money, so he can give it all to Bernie.  Bernie needs more houses ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2020, 05:25:32 PM
"MICRODOSING & THE SUPERNATURAL" ... with breakfast ... maybe goes best with Lucky Charms?  Timothy Leary rides again, and this is why the Left Coast is toast.

"LEFTIST BEATS JOURNALIST INTO SUBMISSION IN RIOTS, JOURNALIST THEN FALSELY BLAMES FEDS FOR ATTACKS" ... all rioters secret SS Republican KKK in disguise!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 30, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
"The modern shibboleth is “I like Trump”." ... America is Biblical, even Book of Judges Biblical.

Trump suggested delaying the election ... y'all know a troll when you read one, right?

"Trying to explain Twitter algorithms to Congress is like trying to explain astrophysics to a poodle." ... Congress made a fool of itself twice, once with the Silicon Valley communists, and once with AG Barr.

"DAs backed by Soros, other liberal activists join fray in clash with police" ... interference by a foreign power is cool, if they back the Dems


Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on July 31, 2020, 10:59:20 AM
"DUMB RACIST JOE BIDEN DEVOLVES INTO A MINSTREL SHOW" ... "Joe Biden is the White stereotype Black comedians portray"

"an artificially created depression with communist insurrectionists burning cities down" ... "It's time to punish them at the ballot box." ... or the bullet box.

"TWO THIRDS OF VOTERS EXPECT FAR LEFT VIOLENCE IF TRUMP WINS, DEMOCRATS ALREADY REJECT RESULTS" ... Dems have rejected any election they lost since 1968

"The crisis under which the world is presently suffering is the crisis of interventionism and of state and municipal socialism, in short the crisis of anticapitalist policies..." ... the Republicans are crony grifters, they aren't capitalists (but Trump is).

"3 Weeks After Primary, N.Y. Officials Still Can’t Say Who Won Key Races" ... mail in balloting worse than Iowa primary app.

"CEASE FIRE IN PORTLAND HOLDS, PROTESTERS STOP ANTIFA FROM GOING NUTS AND MORE POLICE DEPLOYED" ... good, we don't want to overfill the Federal prisons.

So everyone ready for the November election, with mail in ballots (R ballots preprinted in Moscow, D ballots preprinted in Beijing) ... so the CIA can tell us some time next year, who won?

"A Quarter Of All Household Income In The US Now Comes From The Government" ... we are 25% of the way to Bernie Sanders' utopia
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2020, 11:11:53 AM
"BIDEN PRETENDS NOT TO KNOW THE 10TH AMENDMENT, TO GRANDSTAND ON COVID19" ... Biden is part of the intersectional Left, who hate all independent power bases (churches etc) for the same reason Stalin and Mao did.

"US SHERIFFS LEAD THE WAY IN CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AGAINST CORONATARIANISM" ... not as wimpy as city cops.  They understand, it is illegal to enforce a legal law that is contrary to the Constitution.  So instead of calling in sick, they simply will look the other way when churches etc meet in the hinterland.

"MANLY CERVIXES! THE LEFT WING CAMPAIGN TO ERASE WOMEN CONTINUES" ... political transsexualism is profoundly anti-woman.  Also they want to castrate every male at an early age.  Yes, "degenerates" don't want to propagate their ideology .. bwhaha.  The only way to make a trans majority is to castrate all the boys, and androgen all the girls.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 02, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
"Trump Renomination Closed To The Public And Press" .. I can hear the background music, can't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BX3bN5YeiQs

It's predator time, girls!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 02, 2020, 05:13:26 PM
"BIDEN LITERALLY CONSIDERING A PRO-CASTRO CULT SUPPORTER FOR RUNNING MATE" ... Lee Harvey Oswald and Tom Cruise had a Black baby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQoVdarCEkc

The origin of this multi-decade decadence.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 03, 2020, 12:13:58 PM
"Former Clinton Press Secretary Urges Biden "Whatever You Do, Don't Debate Trump"" ... “Biden shouldn’t feel obligated to throw Trump a lifeline by granting him any debates at all. This is not a normal presidential election and Trump is not a legitimate candidate...” ... yes, Lincoln used the Electoral College to win a 3-way split, so it isn't legitimate.  Jefferson Davis is the true President ;-)  No traitor is a legitimate candidate,  starting with George Washington.

"How The Billionaires Control American Elections" ... since 1952 at least (how did Eisenhower get nominated?  Texas oil tycoons).  I can't wait for the fake conventions, can you?  Will go well with the fixed election.

"EVEN POLITICO HATES BIDENS' RUNNING MATE SHORTLIST OF DIVERSITY HIRES" ... both parties should cancel the debates, the conventions and the election.  Part of the US will declare Biden dictator, the rest will declare Trump dictator.



Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
"Joe Biden doesn’t have a ‘lot of petrol in the tank and reeks of the Obama legacy’" ... headline from Australia.  They might be upside-down, but they got this right!  The D-convention needs to dump him and put in Hillary or Michelle (Michael).  Of course the R-convention could dump Trump and put in John Bolton.  Battle of the war-criminals (think fake wrestling) ... Barak Obama would be the wife behind Michelle, or Bill Clinton would do the same for Hillary.  John Bolton doesn't need his wife to act as his front man ;-p

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kI9HGD-FnU

"This is enforcement of worldwide totalitarianism. This is psychological war on the masses." ... people who can't take a joke, take this seriously.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2020, 01:26:35 PM
"MSNBC producer resigns from network with scathing letter: They block 'diversity of thought' and 'amplify fringe voices'" ... center Left jumping overboard before it is too late to avoid Guantanamo

"CNN's Brian Stelter ridiculed for claiming 'right-wing media tempest' is behind push for Biden not to debate Trump" ... Nazis under my bed!

"Soros Infuses $116K Into McCloskey Prosecutor's PAC Days After Charges Filed" ... Hungarian war criminals can interfere or CCP, but not Russia.

Trump approves the Florida state mail in ballot.  This can be done in a legitimate way.  How well this is done will vary from state to state.  Also no state system can be changed with less than 90 days to the election.  Hillary says that the USPO will help Putin.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on August 06, 2020, 07:18:17 AM
50% of White Americans Would Vote for Trump If Election Were Held Today (https://www.newsweek.com/50-white-americans-would-vote-trump-if-election-were-held-today-1523164)

Overall, the poll found that 43 percent of voters would choose Biden in a present-day matchup whereas 40 would choose Trump. In a mid-July poll by Hill-HarrisX, Biden had a 7-point national lead over Trump.

Although the poll showed Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden beating Donald Trump in an immediate matchup among almost every other demographic, Trump led Biden amongst male voters 45 to 43 percent, Midwest voters 42 to 39 percent, Independent voters 35 to 33 percent, voters earning above $75,000 a year by 48 to 39 percent and voters aged 35 to 49 by a margin of 44 to 37 percent.


I understand why people vote against Democrats but I still don't understand why they believe Trump is the best person to lead the country or the Republican party. Imagine Trump was CEO of the company where you work and he's tweeting about celebrities and only looking at fiscal numbers that make him happy. Trump didn't "grow into the role" of president like many Republicans hoped. I know many people are worried about "the radical Left" but imagine what a really smart conservative could do in office. Trump is in some ways a blessing to Democrats because he's so incompetent. I can only assume Republicans are sticking with Trump due to the sunk cost fallacy.

And to those who say "but what about Biden?" I'm not talking about who the Democrats choose but who the Republicans choose to lead their party.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on August 06, 2020, 08:10:59 AM
50% of White Americans Would Vote for Trump If Election Were Held Today (https://www.newsweek.com/50-white-americans-would-vote-trump-if-election-were-held-today-1523164)

Overall, the poll found that 43 percent of voters would choose Biden in a present-day matchup whereas 40 would choose Trump. In a mid-July poll by Hill-HarrisX, Biden had a 7-point national lead over Trump.

Although the poll showed Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden beating Donald Trump in an immediate matchup among almost every other demographic, Trump led Biden amongst male voters 45 to 43 percent, Midwest voters 42 to 39 percent, Independent voters 35 to 33 percent, voters earning above $75,000 a year by 48 to 39 percent and voters aged 35 to 49 by a margin of 44 to 37 percent.


I understand why people vote against Democrats but I still don't understand why they believe Trump is the best person to lead the country or the Republican party. Imagine Trump was CEO of the company where you work and he's tweeting about celebrities and only looking at fiscal numbers that make him happy. Trump didn't "grow into the role" of president like many Republicans hoped. I know many people are worried about "the radical Left" but imagine what a really smart conservative could do in office. Trump is in some ways a blessing to Democrats because he's so incompetent. I can only assume Republicans are sticking with Trump due to the sunk cost fallacy.

And to those who say "but what about Biden?" I'm not talking about who the Democrats choose but who the Republicans choose to lead their party.
How ANYBODY can think the orange monster is helping them in any way (well, the 1%, would love him again), is beyond me.  We really, really are, as a country, too stupid to live.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2020, 11:58:30 AM
I don't expect any President to help me.  Nor, 250 years ago, did I expect King George III to help me.  I am not upper class.  What help do people expect?  FDR got us out of the Great Depression thru WW II, not the New Deal.  He did that by collaborating with war monger Churchill and commie Stalin.

"Pompeo Offers $10 Million Reward For Information On Foreign Election Interference" ... about time (this is now a meme/excuse for both parties)

"New York Times Quietly Scrubs Paid Chinese Propaganda From Website" ... we already know who is guilty this time

"Biden Backs Out Of Milwaukee Convention Over COVID-19 Concerns, Will Accept Nomination From Delaware" ... why bother with fake conventions?

"BIDEN HASN'T TAKEN A COGNITIVE TEST, GETS DEFENSIVE WHEN QUERIED, INVOKES COCAINE" ... upper class using controlled substances for millennia.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 12:15:52 AM
There are also VP debates.  VP Pence isn't senile.  Will the Dems pick a senile VP candidate, so she can hide under her desk with Joe?

Odds in the Dark Web is for Biden to drop out at the last minute, replaced with a young charismatic unknown, someone without a history (that can be torn to shreds).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 07, 2020, 01:50:33 AM
I can only assume Republicans are sticking with Trump due to the sunk cost fallacy.
That's pretty much it.  That and the unsavory reality that a lot of the traits Democrats and Independents hate about Trump are the exact same traits these people love - particularly white people who resemble that guy in a golf cart trump tweeted out.  Rationality doesn't enter into it.  That was only a facade anyway, hiding a deplorable interior.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 09:49:05 AM
"JOE BIDEN INSINUATES BLACK PEOPLE ARE ALL IDENTICAL... NO THIS ISN'T A JOKE" ... his generation isn't liberal in the same way as young Dems

"1000s Of Mail-In Ballots Once Deemed Invalid Now Ordered To Be Counted In NYC" ... revenge of the chads, not the Chads

"In NYC, a judge ruled ballots without postmarks count, even if they arrived 2 days after the election..." ... see above.  Think about every election being contested in court, and it taking until mid  2021 until who "won" the WH?  So the default is, if there is a shit show election that takes Justice Scalia's ghost to adjudicate, the opposition party automatically gets power?  This is why I favor military nullification of the civilian BS.

"Gen. Flynn Warns Of "Vicious Assault By Enemies On All That Is Good" In 'Letter To America'" ... he is just starting to talk, wait until the final attempt by Obama to block him fails in court shortly.  Get the helicopters ready to take Dems to Guantanamo.

"BERNIE PROPOSES 60% TAX ON WEALTH, NOT INCOME, LEFTISTS ARE LYING OR STUPID" ... yes, the rich are crazy to support the Biden/Sanders platform

"BIDEN IS AN UNREPENTANT RACIST AND HE GETS A FREE PASS FROM THE LEFT" ... that and his sexual assault

"Group sends hundreds of thousands of 'potentially misleading' ballot applications" ... look official, but are not.  As easy as taking candy from a voter!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2020, 09:46:27 AM
"Democrat think tank calls for color revolution if Trump wins election" ... Soros funded no doubt.  This has been in operation since 2016.

Dems plan in certain states, to overturn the Electoral College, by ignoring the state-wide vote and the state legislature, the Dem governors ruling by decree, putting only Biden electors forward.  That is secession like 1860!!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on August 08, 2020, 05:53:43 PM
I think the WH stonewalling of the recent covid relief talks with the Democrats is intended to make the Democratic party look like the bad guys when they take Trump to court over his upcoming exec. orders.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2020, 10:18:12 PM
I think the WH stonewalling of the recent covid relief talks with the Democrats is intended to make the Democratic party look like the bad guys when they take Trump to court over his upcoming exec. orders.

The Democrats are Satan ;-)  Why would any Republican or Independent agree to anything they want, when they are behind AntiFA and BLM and riots and looting and arson and murder?

Why would Dems go to court when they are planning a violent Marxist revolution in November?  The courts will have to be burned too.

"Trump new orders will:
   •   Eliminate the payroll tax
   •   Extend unemployment benefits by $400 per week, down from $600
   •   Defer student loan repayments through the end of the year
   •   Extend protections against evictions"

Populism.  Revolution isn't populist, it is criminal.

"'Broke And Unemployed' Hunter Biden Slapped With $450K Tax Lien - Which Was 'Resolved' In Six Days" ... check his money in the Estonian banks

"More Than 84,000 Mail In Ballots Disqualified In New York City Primary" ... make all the ballots mail-in and have a judge loyal to King George III invalidate all of them.

"US Intelligence: If Trump Wins Russia Did It, If Biden Wins It Was China And Iran" ... maybe CIA isn't evil, just incompetent.  They didn't predict the fall of the Soviet Union either.

"CIA Stuns In Saying "No Evidence" TikTok Giving Its Data To China" ... CIA and CCP share data, so CIA is as worried as the CCP

"FAR LEFTISTS ANNOUNCE 'WHITE HOUSE SIEGE,' 50 DAYS OF MASS UNREST" ... from the guys at Occupy, who are the intelligencia of BLM.  How about 50 days of summary executions?

"POLICE REFUSED TO FRAME MCCLOSKEY'S, REPUBLICANS NOW DEMAND DOJ GET INVOLVED IN STOPPING CORRUPT DA" ... just murder White people

History rhymes ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFAofKwX2KM
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 09, 2020, 08:33:26 AM
"US Intelligence: If Trump Wins Russia Did It, If Biden Wins It Was China And Iran" ... maybe CIA isn't evil, just incompetent.  They didn't predict the fall of the Soviet Union either.

As if the planning decisions of a group of Soviet leaders and state owned entities was ever going to outperform the lightning fast reaction times of a somewhat free market. The Chinese really need to rename their party.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 09, 2020, 09:45:47 AM
One of my old friends has said that reactivating Chinese Merchantilism is a world ending event.  They can outcompete anyone, with the end result of human extermination.  The British were smart to get them all addicted to opium.

"LIBERTARIAN PARTY ABANDONS ACTUAL LIBERTY IN FAVOR OF COURTING DISAFFECTED LEFTIST VOTERS" ... I voted for Gary Johnson in 2016, not because of the Libertarian Party, but because of Gary Johnson not being Trump or Hillary.  Not because of the Libertarian Party's lame plan of being more liberal than George McGovern.

""IT'S A PEACEFUL PROTEST" TRUMP SAYS OF HIS LATEST SPEECH" ... Americans are as primitive as Middle Ages peasants during the Black (BLM) Death.

"Fake driver's licenses flooding into US from China, other countries, US says" ... helping to make more Mexicans vote for Dems

"Furious Democrats Faced With A Daunting Question: Will They Dare To Challenge Trump's Stimulus Orders" ... if Obama can rule by decree, so can Trump

"Nancy Pelosi Admits On CNN: "China Would Prefer Joe Biden"" ... since politicians always lie, this must not be true ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2020, 09:34:29 AM
"TRUMP PROCLAIMS HE WILL SCRAP PAYROLL TAXES, DEMS CLAIM HE WANTS TO SCRAP SOCIAL SECURITY" ... SS withholding different from Medicare withholding and income tax withholding.  I think he is only suspending income tax withholding.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 11, 2020, 05:04:26 PM
In non-Trump news (it exists, or so I'm told), Biden picks Kamala Harris as his running mate. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/joe-biden-selects-kamala-harris-his-running-mate-n1235771)

It makes sense that Biden would pick a 2020 primary candidate, and Harris ran a strong campaign, winning states like...

...

umm...

...you know what, nevermind.  The point is she was there, and I guess that's something.

Her positions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Kamala_Harris) are generally pretty decent imo.  Hopefully, she gets more mileage out of that in the general than in the primary.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 11, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
In non-Trump news (it exists, or so I'm told), Biden picks Kamala Harris as his running mate. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/joe-biden-selects-kamala-harris-his-running-mate-n1235771)

It makes sense that Biden would pick a 2020 primary candidate, and Harris ran a strong campaign, winning states like...

...

umm...

...you know what, nevermind.  The point is she was there, and I guess that's something.

Her positions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Kamala_Harris) are generally pretty decent imo.  Hopefully, she gets more mileage out of that in the general than in the primary.
Yeah 'Pocahontas', as Trump calls her (for the dims) did better in the primaries. She would energize the Bernie supporters more perhaps. There is something seemingly 'executive' and sharp about Harris. I think 'seeming presidential' on TV is still a big deal and she has that.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 11, 2020, 06:42:02 PM
Yeah 'Pocahontas', as Trump calls her (for the dims) did better in the primaries. She would energize the Bernie supporters more perhaps.
That all depends on where she sits that day on universal healthcare.  Bernie supporters really liked Warren at the beginning, but her reputation as a firebrand slowly turned to one of machiavellian opportunism (with little payoff, I might add).  I'd rather have Harris at this point, imo.

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There is something seemingly 'executive' and sharp about Harris. I think 'seeming presidential' on TV is still a big deal and she has that.
Yeah, and that works.  Any functioning adult.  I'm serious about that, so I guess I'm ridin' with Biden.  Besides, any meaningful change isn't going to happen until The Orange Plague is out of office.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 11, 2020, 07:31:16 PM
The Orange Plague, LOL

You must be talking about Tangerine Idi Amin, The King of Maskholes, Agolf Twitler, The Potus Scrotus? 
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2020, 08:28:15 PM
"JOE BIDEN PICKS GROSS POLICE STATE SHILL KAMALA HARRIS AS RUNNING MATE, SURPRISING NOBODY" ... but as VP she can't lock up innocent Black men.

Kamala Harris it is.  But Pocahontas didn't even win her own state primary ;-))

But until the faux D convention is over, it isn't clear that Biden will be the candidate.  Wait a few more days for confirmation.  The superdelegates could choose someone else, even Kamala Harris.  The faux R convention could choose their original choice, JEB Bush.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 11, 2020, 08:30:04 PM
Agolf Twitler
(https://www.electronicproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/analog-mixed-signal-ics-communications-david-tennant-laughing-alot-gif.gif)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2020, 08:31:13 PM
Jokes on you if you are one of The Doctor's companions.  Monsters on every planet, including Earth.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Draconic Aiur on August 11, 2020, 08:38:12 PM
When two of your neighbors have a flag outside saying:"TRUMP: NO MORE BULLSHIT", and one was recently a democrat.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 11, 2020, 08:40:40 PM
I would set the odds at 48 Biden / 52 Trump if the election was tomorrow. Sputnik saves the day, LOL
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2020, 08:52:20 PM
When two of your neighbors have a flag outside saying:"TRUMP: NO MORE BULLSHIT", and one was recently a democrat.

So your dead neighbor isn't voting Democrat again? ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2020, 08:53:38 PM
"Bernie supporters, progressives trash Biden-Harris ticket: A 'middle finger' to the base" ... Marxists are like Blacks, Hispanics etc ... the Dems need you to vote for them, but they won't take care of your interests one day after the election.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on August 11, 2020, 09:53:40 PM
For some reason today I was thinking about Mondale / Ferraro.

I just can't seem to put my finger on why...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2020, 11:06:40 PM
For some reason today I was thinking about Mondale / Ferraro.

I just can't seem to put my finger on why...

Bwahaha ... and maybe Ferraro was just as corrupt as people said ... and Mondale was as simp as other people said.  Too bad we don't have Reagan to kick these "wets" into the well of irrelevance.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 11, 2020, 11:39:58 PM
https://www.270towin.com/maps/consensus-2020-electoral-map-forecast
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on August 12, 2020, 03:10:41 AM
Harris is the sensible choice.  In the position Biden is in right now, 'sensible' is the best thing to do.  Being from California doesn't really help in a close state, but it gives him a good chance to energize the Black vote.  Whether it reaches the levels Obama got, hard to predict, but it could be enough to solidify North Carolina and tick Georgia over into the D column.

Also, being the 'safe' pick demonstrates stability, especially in comparison to the Orange Chaos Beast.  'Safe' and 'stable' probably sound really good not just to the independent voters, but to wobbly Republicans who are sick of the nightmare carousel that's been the last four years.  It's going to be nearly impossible to hang the 'looney left' label on the Biden/Harris ticket.

I would have rather seen him tap, say, either of the two Black congresswomen from Ohio -- Marcia Fudge or Joyce Beatty -- in order to give the Buckeye State a shove in the blue direction, but neither of them have the national name recognition Harris does.  So, fair enough.

Also, I'm looking forward to her shredding Ayatollah Pence in their debate.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on August 12, 2020, 07:21:06 AM
I read somewhere that Biden's support among the "black vote" is all the way down to 75% (typically 90% for Democrats) while Trump's is up to 15% (typically 5% for Republicans).

I know some Democratic pollsters are sweating over that.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on August 12, 2020, 09:15:52 AM
I read somewhere that Biden's support among the "black vote" is all the way down to 75% (typically 90% for Democrats) while Trump's is up to 15% (typically 5% for Republicans).

I know some Democratic pollsters are sweating over that.
I've always wondered how presidents pick running mates.  I'm sure they have their reasons, some of which may be strategic.  But in the end, they pick who they pick, and then it's up to us and the guys who write op-eds to invent the logic for why this was a good or bad choice.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
I read somewhere that Biden's support among the "black vote" is all the way down to 75% (typically 90% for Democrats) while Trump's is up to 15% (typically 5% for Republicans).

I know some Democratic pollsters are sweating over that.

Dems own Black voters like they used to own Black people ... for now.  Everyone is neglecting how many voters will sit this one out (I am, permanently).  I can't say I am pleased with Trump, would only give him a "C" ... but he was an political unknown in 2016.  Biden is a crypto-racist, and Harris is a non-American Black, ancestry from Jamaica, as Obama's was from Kenya.  The Dems have a hard time running a genuine African-American with an arrest record ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2020, 12:53:09 PM
I've always wondered how presidents pick running mates.  I'm sure they have their reasons, some of which may be strategic.  But in the end, they pick who they pick, and then it's up to us and the guys who write op-eds to invent the logic for why this was a good or bad choice.

I think Palin was forced on a senile McCain.  Otherwise there are traditional calculi.  Kennedy picked Johnson to cover his Southern flank ... and that helped Johnson et al to be positioned to benefit from the assassination.  Often times Presidents pick a VP for lack of anything to recommend them (Mr Potatoe-head).  Kamala Harris is well positioned to "manage" Biden or replace him, per the Swamp.

"Far-Left Democrat Rep. Pramila Jayapal Brags About Manipulating Joe Biden" ... a pre-election psyop for the Bernie Bros.  He has moved strongly Left for now, to keep the Bernie Bros on-side (who' s lack of enthusiasm hurt Hillary).  But given Kamala Harris, they will be screwed the minute Biden takes office.  Kamala likes to jail innocent Black men in particular.

"Facebook Cracks Down On 'Fake' Local News Networks Run By Political Operatives" ... how about banning all political advertisements?

""We Will Be Watching You": Dems Put Media On Notice To Avoid 'Racist Tropes' Such As 'Angry Black Women'" ... calling White-women Karens is still PC.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 12, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
Who would constitute Biden's dream team? What if Oprah was on the ticket? Michelle Obama?

I used to watch Oprah's 'Super Soul Sunday' sometimes just for the cringe. That D. Chopra guy is a trip. Not sure really sure why Oprah gives weight loss or marriage advice either. Priests are always giving marriage advice too. Like getting stock tips down at the soup kitchen.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2020, 02:07:54 PM
Who would constitute Biden's dream team? What if Oprah was on the ticket? Michelle Obama?

I used to watch Oprah's 'Super Soul Sunday' sometimes just for the cringe. That D. Chopra guy is a trip. Not sure really sure why Oprah gives weight loss or marriage advice either. Priests are always giving marriage advice too. Like getting stock tips down at the soup kitchen.


You can't even get "steak tips" at the soup kitchen ;-) ... just broth of rat

"GROSS, SLEAZY OPPORTUNIST KAMALA HARRIS ONCE SAID SHE BELIEVED BIDENS' ACCUSERS" ... back in April 2019, before the #BelieveHer accusation was made, that ended #BelieveHer.  Senator Harris is famous for her Willie Brown encounter.  See, the CIA thru Epstein, gets dirt on everyone, then blackmails them.  This is why all Dem candidates are sex deviants.  Most Rep candidates probably.  Trump is a deviant, but is public about it, so he can't be blackmailed by the CIA.

"THE LEFT IS EATING ITSELF ALIVE OVER KAMALA VP PICK AND NOW TRUMP WILL LANDSLIDE" ... too bad "Svetlana Iosifovna Alliluyeva" aka Stalin's daughter is no longer available (and she was a naturalized US citizen anyway, so not eligible for VP).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 12, 2020, 02:30:38 PM
I read somewhere that Biden's support among the "black vote" is all the way down to 75% (typically 90% for Democrats) while Trump's is up to 15% (typically 5% for Republicans).
Gluteus maximus extraction?  Drinking the bleach-flavored koolaid?  Hmm..

According to a poll at the end of June, Trump's at 7% (https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/06/30/publics-mood-turns-grim-trump-trails-biden-on-most-personal-traits-major-issues/).  And just last month, his press secretary bragged about 8% (https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-press-secretary-brags-that-trump-won-8-of-the-black-vote-2020-6).  Though, that could be a false flag, he might've worked with Romney at some point. :P

I've gotta say, I didn't know that 5% is typical for Republicans.  I guess that makes sense.  They say black lives matter and Republicans say that racism doesn't exist and that BLM is racist.  Can't blame them for not wanting to throw in with that ball o' crazy.

But you know, something about that 5% figure sounds familiar...

"And a recent poll came out where I had 25 percent African-American.  And the Republicans usually get about 4 percent or 5 percent.  And one of the hosts said, if he ever gets 25 percent, this election’s over.  You might as well not run it." - Trump, from an 2/21/16 interview with Jake Tapper (https://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2016/02/21/trump-on-the-party-nominees-i-think-its-going-to-be-between-hillary-and-myself-they-say-that-it-will-be-the-largest-voter-turnout-in-the-history-of-united-states-elections/)

Just fyi, it's not normally 5%.  It's more like 10% plus or minus 5 points (https://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/trump-and-the-black-vote/), depending on how Republicans present themselves and how much dog whistling they're willing to do to win.  Black support for Republicans used to be a lot higher before that whole Southern Strategy thing.  I wonder why.

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I know some Democratic pollsters are sweating over that.
They're sweating so hard they're trying to put the kibosh on mail-in voting during a pandemic?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2020, 02:44:50 PM
Senator Harris is also Indian (Asian) in descent.  She trashed Biden in debate.  Tulsi trashed Kamala in debate, and she is also of Indian (Asian) descent.

Choosing Senator Harris as VP, would have increased (slightly) my likelihood of voting for Biden, if I were voting and still a Democrat.  Tulsi would have even increased that further.  Oprah or Michelle Obama would have decreased it.

Meanwhile, why is poorly implemented mail in voting (NM in the last election .. my daughter informed me. was competent) being pushed so hard?  In a circumstance of 10s of thousands of fake driver's licenses?  The California system in particular is rampant with questionable practices, more people voting than registered there.  Basically mail in votes should only be for registered voters, only if they register months before an election, so their fake credentials can be verified.  The actual voter registration is in person, not on-line or by mall.  Registered voters request a ballot on-line (to verity which ballot they get), get it in the mail, mail it back after filling it out.  The trick is having legitimate registered voters.  Waiting a few extra days to have a mail in vote tabulated isn't that bad, India has to do this all the time, because its India, the world's largest democracy.

Kamala is a member of the "Boule" Black secret society modeled after the "Skull & Bones" the Bush family is part of.  Pure Deep State.  Her most prominent ancestor was the biggest slave owner in Jamaica.  She is slightly more African than Elizabeth Warren is Native American.

I am fine myself with women leaders, people of Indian descent, people of African descent.  Since I vote for individuals, not Identity Politics.

"Liberals do not think it is right to criticise a woman that comes from a family of slave owners ....that was a quick 180." .. bwahah.  The Swamp has spoken.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on August 12, 2020, 03:52:25 PM
I like Warren a lot, but she's from a state that has a Republican governor, who would have appointed a Republican Senate replacement.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2020, 04:04:12 PM
I like Warren a lot, but she's from a state that has a Republican governor, who would have appointed a Republican Senate replacement.

Kamala Harris is your junior Senator ... what do you think?

"Even Rachel Dolezal has more connection to African Americans than Kamala Harris." ... maybe Harris has slightly more.

"CNN: Joe Biden Could 'Step Aside' For Kamala Harris" ... before, during or after the fake Dem convention ... but before the election.  Name Hillary Clinton as her VP.

"Flashback: Harris joked about killing Trump, Pence, Sessions during 2018 'Ellen' appearance" ... I don't like Trump's jokes either

Biden wanted the governor of Michigan as his VP candidate, but she isn't Black enough (Harris is barely Black as it is).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2020, 04:43:45 PM
"THE RISE OF THE HEEL LICKERS! KAMALA HARRIS FANS CIRCLE THE WAGON" ... Leftists are irrational, so they can and will circle this square

"Sniff 'n Blow 2020" idea for campaign sticker ;-)

"Cornel West Calls Biden-Harris 'Slow-Moving Disaster'" ... if he says this, and he is a REAL African-American (unlike Obama and Harris) ...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2020, 01:05:50 PM
"Biden was "woke fishing" in choosing his VP candidate" ... fake male Progressive trying to get a girl into bed (and Kamala has experience)

"BIDEN HIRES OPENLY VIOLENT, RACIST, MISOGYNISTIC MARXIST TO LEAD ARIZONA DIGITAL TEAM" .. vetting error or going to plan?  Hire Bernie Bros, wake up with Commies

"PREDICTION: JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS WILL ALMOST TOTALLY IGNORE THEIR OWN RECORDS" .. the only safe candidate is one who has never been in politics before ;-))

"MEMETIC OCCULTISM! POWER GOES OUT AT FIRST BIDEN-HARRIS EVENT" ... even the Devil is offended by this unnatural pairing ;-)

"The Senate went on leave. No money for you peasants." ... we aren't in their club.  The House only wants to fix the election for Biden.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2020, 01:24:06 PM
This deserves its own post ...

"During an interview on Fox Business yesterday, Trump said that if USPS doesn't get the $25 billion earmarked in the Democratic stimulus plan, then it won't have the money to handle mail-in ballots." ... doesn't say that the USPS will never get it, but this is putting pressure on the Dems since time is short.  Could just be another snafu for a country unprepared for pandemics.

"USPS Mail-Sorting Machines Are Mysteriously Being Deactivated Ahead Of Election" ... new US Postmaster (Franklin was the original traitor here) is a Republican fund raiser.  This is very odd timing indeed ;-(

"New Jersey To Become 9th State To Adopt "Universal Mail-In Voting"" ... as I pointed out earlier vs NM ... this can be done with integrity.  The integrity of who is a registered voter is key.  If the intent of the DNC is to have illegally registered or unregistered voters do mail in voting since they won't be vetted in person, then this is an attempt to steal the election, and I support any President in preventing this treason.  If this is not being done with criminal intent, then I have no problem with mail-in voting, and would want the USPS geared up to properly support it.  The integrity of the system is more important than who gets elected.

""Democrats Are Holding This Up!" - Trump Rages After Ordering Mnuchin To Send $3,400 To US Families" ... both parties are blocking.  $3400 would be direct deposit to family of four, not mailed check?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2020, 12:35:37 AM
"NEWSWEEK ARTICLE ARGUES KAMALA HARRIS IS NOT A CITIZEN, DEMOCRATS OUTRAGED" ... funny coming from an MSM rag.  Her parents were here on temporary VISA and had her here in the US.  Not the same as Obama (born in Hawaii territory) or McCain (born in Panama Canal Zone).  My limited understanding is if you are not flying over the US, but on the ground, not even in a hospital situation (say back of a cab) ... and born here, then you are a US citizen (though you might have more than one citizenship depending on who your parents are (where they are from).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2020, 05:17:42 PM
Bipartisan corruption of course ...

Secret Empires: How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends

"Only the little people pay taxes." -- Leona Helmsley

"brazen American corruption and nepotism" ... all ruling families, including Clintons, Bidens, Trumps, Obamas, Cheneys, Gores, Bushes.  Hunter Biden claimed "poverty" paying off his large back-tax bill.  His poverty included a $12,000 per month apartment and a $130,000 car ;-)  He has to work hard to keep up with Chelsea Clinton.

"Conservative Journalist Arrested & Jailed Ahead Of 'ShadowGate' Documentary Release" ... Wikileaks probably is innocent too, the government is criminal

"YouTube To End Election "Interference"... By Interfering With The Free Press" ... Youtube = Google = Alphabet = CIA

"Watch As Biden's Sheepdogs Eject Docile Journalists Before Anyone Can Ask Questions" .. Pravda proud

"Crony Capitalist Execs Cheer Selection Of Kamala Harris As Dem VP" ... Biden & Harris are closet Republicans, just as Trump & Pence are closet Democrats

"They are telling voters to dump Trump and restore them to power or they will tear down the United States and burn down your homes..." .. people respond well to honest political messaging ... "37% plurality of independents do not think either would be a good candidate" ... if I were voting, I would be in this last group, 1/10 of voters who think "good cop/bad cop" is a shit show.


Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 15, 2020, 06:59:29 PM
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/biden-floats-baseless-election-conspiracy/

Dat editor's note.

(https://c-sf.smule.com/rs-s78/arr/d5/16/b53b57dd-ceaf-40d4-9730-35fa343b904d.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2020, 07:22:31 PM
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/biden-floats-baseless-election-conspiracy/

Dat editor's note.

(https://c-sf.smule.com/rs-s78/arr/d5/16/b53b57dd-ceaf-40d4-9730-35fa343b904d.jpg)

There is an election conspiracy, every two years, and both parties are involved ;-))

The USPS has been a shithole since 1970 (National Guard used to process mail during postal strike).  It has always lost money every year, because ordinary mail pays for junk mail, and bought politicians won't fix this.  This is why FedEx and UPS exist.  But this 50 year old problem isn't because of Trump.

"don't underestimate how badly Biden can screw things up" - Barak Obama aka says Biden is unfit for office ... earlier Obama told Biden "you don't have to do this".
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 16, 2020, 01:55:11 AM
I just watched Hannity smear Biden as a puppet of the "far left" and particularly Bernie Sanders and I've gotta tell you guys, this right-wing fearmongering makes Biden look sooo much cooler than he is in reality.

And one of the things they say is that socialism/communism (exact quote: "whatever you wanna call it") is an utter failure in every country that's tried it, leading to nothing but misery.

Convenient terminology failure aside, let's take it as a given that marxism doesn't work - that command economies inevitably crash and burn.  Believe it or not, I'm pretty partial to that position.  No one wants to emulate Stalinist Russia (except Putin) or the Khmer Rouge or China's brand of authoritarianism (except Trump).

What lefties like me are doing is looking at Germany and the Netherlands and especially Nordic countries like Denmark and we're not seeing failure and misery - we see a lot of policies that work, and work much better than what we have here.  And we'd like to learn from them and see if we can't at least partially implement stuff that we know works over here.  So no, we're not following in the footsteps of failure, we're genuinely impressed with their success and want our people to enjoy that kind of success as well.  That's our "radical" and "unAmerican" stance.  Isn't wanting America to be better patriotic, not unpatriotic?

And needless to say, a lot of mainstream Dems aren't on board with even that.  I mean, the last president wasn't even on board with gay marriage at first and had to be talked into it (the policy, I mean, not the...nevermind).  What little reform we actually get is basically just a band-aid on a grievous 2-foot long gash, imho.

The point is that in the US two-party system, it's center-left (with an emphasis on center) against far right.  That's the way it's been for decades and continues to be and any attempt at changing that paradigm just gets crushed to pieces right in front of our eyes.  Us moderately-left are pretty much a people without a homeland.

So these right-wing scaremongers saying that Biden is some radical lefty out to radically transform the US are painting a comically unrealistic picture.  They might as well say that covid is a Dem hoax and that global warming is a chinese hoax.  Just as many people will believe that as the other two.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2020, 01:23:17 PM
Ideology and partisanship are just tools.  Shadowgate on the Shadownet operation ... is releasing whistleblower info which the current grand jury investigation under Barr must have been working with.  It damages the ability of the DoJ to try people, but also prevents the DoJ from running a fake investigation into a bi-partisan corruption, to troll conservatives wanting scalps.  The Deep State isn't partisan, it is for itself, not for America or any party.

n 2016 they were running operations against both Hillary and Trump, so that no matter what happens, the WH is under Deep State control.  Of course the current election is totally fake too.  The trick of magicians is to distract your attention from one hand, while the other hand is doing a trick.  I won't mention names here, but the code name for the real leader is "Voldemort" (and he probably works for someone else), bwahaha.  Under Intel dictatorship since 1963.

Nothing wrong with idolizing Germanic countries.  I am 1/2 Germanic myself.  But China is the prototype of the 21st century totalitarian state, not Germany.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 16, 2020, 03:41:11 PM
I love how conservatives complain about "marxist this" and "communist that" "liberal fascist this"

And the republican majority government is fucking taking the mail boxes and destroying the ability for the mail to work efficiently for mail in voting, which is  many people's only hope of voting this election.

Welcome to North Korea.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2020, 03:48:07 PM
Trump Campaign Ad ... I support this message - Kim Jong Un

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMLtkp4AFkc

Give me dictatorship or give me all your money (woke Patrick Henry)

"Restaurant in China apologizes after asking customers to weigh themselves before ordering" ... Brave New Diet


Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on August 17, 2020, 03:34:32 AM
And needless to say, a lot of mainstream Dems aren't on board with even that.  I mean, the last president wasn't even on board with gay marriage at first and had to be talked into it (the policy, I mean, not the...nevermind).
I'll just add here that it was Biden who forced Obama's hand on marriage equality.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2020, 11:27:26 AM
It was MLK that forced the Kennedy Administration's hand on civil rights.

Biden forced Obama?  With an arm wrestle?

Under Trump since 2017, all gays have been rounded up and executed (in some parallel universe).

"KAMALA HARRIS BLUNDERS BADLY IN CHAT WITH STEPHEN COLBERT, BASICALLY ADMITS SHE'S A LIAR" .. anyone running for office is a liar, so no beans

"USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes" ... no wonder he has lukewarm support for Biden ;-)

"Biden Sexual Assault Accuser Livid Over Bill Clinton Speech At DNC" ... LOL, both parties think with their dicks

"The USPS Just Filed A Patent For A Blockchain-Based Secure-Voting System" ... not ready this year, so be patient

"China's anti-Trump election meddling raises new alarm, as DNI calls country biggest threat" ... duh.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 18, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
"Cake Lives Matter: Protesters Descend On New York Bakery For Making MAGA-Hat-Shaped Cake" ... so French of them, brioche anyone?

""MEDIA FEIGNS OUTRAGE THAT TRUMP RETWEETED "LET DEMOCRATS CITIES ROT" AS DEMOCRAT CITIES ROT" ... MSM feigns working for a living

Didn't watch the first night of the virtual Dem convention.  I have found them fatally boring since 1972 (last time I watched any convention).  Dems were into Identity Politics way back then, and Eric Sevareid tore them a new orifice for it.  He said "which delegates represent the Lithuanian-American fishermen?".  I still remember this after almost 50 years.  Maroons!

"Trump: Susan B. Anthony to get posthumous pardon" ... anything for NYC drama queen

"Michelle Obama's DNC speech was recorded before Biden picked Harris as running mate, source says" .. Harris not mentioned.  Dem "cringe-vention".
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on August 19, 2020, 05:05:14 PM
The simple fact that Lord Dampnut won't commit to accepting the results of the election unless he wins[/i] should have every Constitution-respecting American ready to throw his orange ass out in November.  This is about as un-American as it's possible to be, without actually committing treason. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-declines-to-say-whether-trump-will-accept-election-results/ar-BB189THA?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 19, 2020, 05:35:09 PM
I'll just add here that it was Biden who forced Obama's hand on marriage equality.
I had no idea.  How come his progressive bona fides (and policy positions in general) aren't front and center?  He has a good track record on combating global warming and apparently helped make the clutch play in making gay marriage legal in this country.  Yet, when it comes to how he's portrayed in the media and by the public at large, it's seldom anything more substantial than "he's more presidential" and "not trump".

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfjTE6vXgAAU1Db.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 19, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
And I've gotta say, the global warming issue is way more important than a lot of people think it is.  It should be a make-or-break issue because it's a life-or-death issue.  Anyone who says this isn't a big deal is a crazy person and should be shown the door asap, not put in charge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sqdyEpklFU
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on August 19, 2020, 05:49:46 PM
I had no idea.  How come his progressive bona fides (and policy positions in general) aren't front and center?  He has a good track record on combating global warming and apparently helped make the clutch play in making gay marriage legal in this country.  Yet, when it comes to how he's portrayed in the media and by the public at large, it's seldom anything more substantial than "he's more presidential" and "not trump".

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfjTE6vXgAAU1Db.jpg)
Believe it or not, the Dem convention, so far, has changed my mind about Biden.  I was in the 'He's not trump' camp prior to now.  I now think he would make a good leader, and his character and personality are just what we need--and the average person can relate.  Plus I think he knows how to relegate tasks and power (a very important often overlooked aspect of leadership).   
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on August 19, 2020, 05:55:46 PM
The simple fact that Lord Dampnut won't commit to accepting the results of the election unless he wins[/i] should have every Constitution-respecting American ready to throw his orange ass out in November.  This is about as un-American as it's possible to be, without actually committing treason.
 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-declines-to-say-whether-trump-will-accept-election-results/ar-BB189THA?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout)
He is a traitor--his handling of the bounty on US soldier's heads is all the proof we need.  He is clearly un-American by a multitude of his actions and inactions.  If the entire body of of the Repubs in the senate were not cowards, traitors and un-American themselves, the orange monster would have been gone long ago.  Throw Barr into that traitorous group.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 19, 2020, 09:40:30 PM
Sent links to all the younger ones in the family so they get their absentee ballots...they complain about things yet sometimes forget to vote. :cool:
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2020, 10:42:13 PM
The simple fact that Lord Dampnut won't commit to accepting the results of the election unless he wins[/i] should have every Constitution-respecting American ready to throw his orange ass out in November.  This is about as un-American as it's possible to be, without actually committing treason.
 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-declines-to-say-whether-trump-will-accept-election-results/ar-BB189THA?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout)

Democrats haven't accepted negative election results since 1968 ... in particular in 2000 and 2016.  I hated the way the election in 2000 was run myself.  I blame Justice Scalia, and feel his death as unnatural.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2020, 10:43:00 PM
He is a traitor--his handling of the bounty on US soldier's heads is all the proof we need.  He is clearly un-American by a multitude of his actions and inactions.  If the entire body of of the Repubs in the senate were not cowards, traitors and un-American themselves, the orange monster would have been gone long ago.  Throw Barr into that traitorous group.

Obama is a warmonger (same as George W and Bill).  When are you going to turn them into The Hague?  How is treason charges based?  Agreement with DNC conspiracy with CCP?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 19, 2020, 10:43:05 PM
Sent links to all the younger ones in the family so they get their absentee ballots...they complain about things yet sometimes forget to vote. :cool:
I'm showing up for early voting.  With a face shield and hazmat suit if I have to.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2020, 10:45:34 PM
I'm showing up for early voting.  With a face shield and hazamat suit if I have to.

The tradition of having people work all day on voting day, and having to crowd at the end of the day, I have always thought is vote caging.  Voting should be available early or over at least two days.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on August 19, 2020, 11:03:00 PM
I'm showing up for early voting.  With a face shield and hazmat suit if I have to.
In CA our ballots will be mailed out on Oct. 5.  As soon as I get mine, I'm filling it out and hand carrying it to the county election office.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2020, 11:15:32 PM
In CA our ballots will be mailed out on Oct. 5.  As soon as I get mine, I'm filling it out and hand carrying it to the county election office.

An actual good plan.  What if the county election office is manned by shape shifting reptilians and you have forgotten your special sun glasses?

"DEMOCRAT CHAINS HIMSELF TO MAILBOX BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL INSANE" ... they use lots of drugs in Oregon? ... "Postal Justice Warriors" ;-)

We have gone from actors pretending to be Presidents (Reagan and Trump) to Presidents pretending to be actors (Obama, Biden if he wins) ... aka scripted pols.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2020, 10:37:27 AM
""That's Ridiculous": Jill Biden - Not Joe, Appears On Live TV To Defend VP's Cognitive Ability" ... like DeBlasio, President Biden will have two women telling him what he thinks ;-)

"Obama Says Trump "Unfit" For Presidency, Treats Oval Office "Like A Reality TV Show"" ... says 4x warmonger

"Trump Hits Joe And Hunter's China Malarkey In New Campaign Ad" ... don't forget to share the money with the other members of your crime family, Joe.

"The Great Election Fraud: Will Our Freedoms Survive Another Vote?" ... slaves since Nov 1963

Trump plays 4-d chess, Biden plays 1-d chess ;-)

"All dead eyes and false smiles, the sign of a psychopath" ... Dem convention having so much fun

"DEMOCRAT'S DNC 2 WAS EVEN WORSE, A CLOWN SHOW SO BAD THEY HAD WARREN ON THE NATIVE AMERICAN CAUCUS" ... lol

"Democratic convention akin to 'politics by demented Twitter thread'" ... Twitter for twits
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on August 20, 2020, 11:52:32 PM
I had no idea.  How come his progressive bona fides (and policy positions in general) aren't front and center?  He has a good track record on combating global warming and apparently helped make the clutch play in making gay marriage legal in this country.  Yet, when it comes to how he's portrayed in the media and by the public at large, it's seldom anything more substantial than "he's more presidential" and "not trump".
Don't forget authoring the Violence Against Women Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 21, 2020, 06:03:36 AM
So have no women seen violence since the government passed a law?

"AOC DECLARES NBC A "LEGACY BRAND"" ... MSM won't like that messaging, they need the advertising money to stay alive.

Dems put the con in convention ;-))

"Trump Gave A Rally In Joe Biden's Home Town - This Was 2016 Populist, Bannon-era Trump" .. Scranton NJ, eew

"Biden Vows To Unite America, Defeat "Darkness" After Accepting Democratic Nomination" ... the old racist Biden, will he lock up the BLM Marxists?

""Wake Up Motherf**ker, Wake Up!" BLM Idles Through Portland Neighborhood With Bullhorn" ... this will sell well with moderates and independents

"Jimmy Dore Blasts Biden's Lineup Of Neocon & War Hawk Endorsements At DNC Convention" ... discredited people like: Powell, Obama and Kerry, war hawks!

"Six Democratic States File Lawsuit Against USPS For "Impeding Free & Fair Elections"" .. thus cancelling the early tally of the election, since the resolution of these lawsuits might take a year ... meaning Nancy Pelosi becomes acting President ;-))
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 21, 2020, 07:12:47 PM
"Hillary Clinton Gave Ghislaine Maxwell's Nephew "Very Powerful" Position At State Department: Report" ... all in the crime family

"Biden Supporters Steal 7-Year-Old Boy's MAGA Hat, Attack His Mother" ... Dem bullies

"NYC IS DYING DUE TO CORRUPT DEMOCRATS, DEBLASIO SIPHONS $2M TO HIS WIFE WHILE PLANNING 22K LAYOFFS" .. burn it all down

"TRUMP SAYS DEMOCRATS STEALING THE ELECTION WITH VOTE BY MAIL, VOWS TO DEPLOY POLICE TO STOP FRAUD" ... send in the sheriffs

"Criminal justice activist Donna Hylton, featured in DNC video, was convicted for role in grisly 1985 murder" .. perfect DNC rep

"Third term for Obama? Washington Post reporter claims lawmakers 'talking about' repeal of 22nd Amendment" ... Papa Doc Obama

"Ben Shapiro on DNC: Democrats didn’t mention threat of China, nationwide unrest all 4 nights" ... they are allies of China and BLM

Biden “Ally of the light” in his own words aka Lucifer

"Biden: "I Would Shut Country Down Again If Recommended By Scientists"" ... 2006 pandemic plan was bipartisan.

"Former Green Beret Who Allegedly Spied For Russia Arrested" .. there are actual traitors, but their political party isn't advertised.



Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 22, 2020, 12:52:11 PM
"'As Easy As Going To Starbucks' - Dr. Birx Says In-Person Voting Safe In November" ... agrees with Dr Fauci.  Putin got to her too!

"FEC ASKED IF LAURA LOOMER BAN VIOLATES ELECTION LAW, LOOMER MUST BE REINSTATED TO ALL PLATFORMS" ... some cancelled people will have to be uncancelled ;-)

"GIDDY FAKE NEWS "JOURNALISTS" RUN FROM BIDEN TO SEE FIREWORKS INSTEAD OF CHALLENGING HIM ON ANYTHI.." ... village idiots

"CELEBRITY ENDORSEMENTS MEAN LITERALLY NOTHING: HERE'S WHY" ... degenerates endorse compulsive liars?

"BLM LEFTIST CHARGED WITH TERROR, THE HAMMER IS DROPPING AND THESE CRAZIES CAN'T HIDE" ... had molotov cocktail but no mask

"Biden says Trump seeks to 'defund the police' -- through proposed cuts" ... typical Left projection.  Biden also accuses Trump of working for a foreign government, while taking bribes from Ukraine

""What Have Democrats Done To Solve ANYTHING?": Rose McGowan Goes Ballistic Over 'Rapist' Biden, 'Vacuous' Liberal Elites" ... they are good at chanting ... "Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh ... Snort A Line Of Coke"

"When these ghouls get back into power, are they going to continue to insist all their critics are really just Russian bots & Kremlin agents?" - Glenn Greenwald (on Twitter).  Glenn isn't conservative, not Republican, just an enemy of the Deep State

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 22, 2020, 06:39:02 PM
"Not Again!? Joe Biden Accused Of Plagiarizing Canadian Politician In DNC Speech" ... his ghost writer is guilty.  How many takes did it take to make that pre-recorded speech?

"Slammed NYC Movers Turning Away Business As Residents Flee City" ... burn it all down

"Arrest Made In Viral Hate Crime Against 7-Year-Old With MAGA Hat" ... 21 year old Hispanic woman picks on a 7 year old Anglo boy.  LARPing revolution, Batman!

Post in history section, Russian Revolution Simplified, so all your LARPing Reds can see how this is done, why Stalin is chad ;-)

"KAMALA HARRIS PRANKED WITH FAKE PHONE CALL, ACCEPTS DIRT ON TRUMP FROM FOREIGNERS" .. fake Queen Greta, bwahah ... this happened earlier this year, only came out because she too VP candidacy.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2020, 04:16:14 AM
"Democratic convention was a Trump Derangement Syndrome ‘group therapy session’" ... too bad all the doctors are R-party

"If fascism ever comes to America it will come in the form of liberalism" - Ronald Reagan, the actual quote by the actual guy, vs the fake one from the fake Churchill ;-)

This is why Black college students are calling for segregation at non-traditionally-Black colleges.

"Charged With FELONIES Sparks Political Crisis As Civil Unrest Erupts Nationwide" … reparations for felons.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2020, 08:38:19 PM
"State Of Emergency Declared, Armed Leftists Aim Rifles At Cops, Prepare For Nationwide Rioting" in Kenosha Wisconsin.  Burn it all down … leave no Dem city with a living body (Biblical punishment like Nineveh)

"The Theories WERE RIGHT Kim Jong Un Is Using a Body Double And In A Coma??" … Apparently Biden is using the same MO, and Harris prefers to snog the body double ;-)

"Richard Spencer Endorses Joe Biden, Democrats Have The White Nationalist Vote Locked Up" … American neo-Nazis know a fellow Nazi when the see one, and a descendent of a slave owner when they see one

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on August 24, 2020, 10:29:05 PM
When did Trump bring ''the economy back''? I only just heard about that, but I don't remember it.

Now DJTJ says Trump shut down travel from China. He didn't do that, either.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on August 24, 2020, 10:31:27 PM
This convention is job security for fact checkers!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 02:16:39 AM
When did Trump bring ''the economy back''? I only just heard about that, but I don't remember it.

Now DJTJ says Trump shut down travel from China. He didn't do that, either.

No, Trump did nothing.  Putin is G-d, he does everything.

Actually, the whole economy as GDP or Dow Jones is BS, but you already knew that.  I want all Americans to drown in their own poverty.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 02:17:14 AM
This convention is job security for fact checkers!

There is only one truth, Karl Marx.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on August 25, 2020, 06:27:02 AM
This convention is job security for fact checkers!
I suppose making a drinking game of it by taking a shot every time he tells a lie would just be organized suicide.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 09:22:26 AM
I suppose making a drinking game of it by taking a shot every time he tells a lie would just be organized suicide.

New TDS .. he encourages alcoholism …. funny!

Michelle is in love with George W and the Bush family supports the Bidens … you are being trolled by the whole Establishment.

"Portland BLM 'Revolutionaries' Bring Guillotine Into Suburbs Where They Burn American Flags, Fling Poo And Demand Shelter" … Dems = Poo …. this is low humor LARPing.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on August 25, 2020, 11:29:09 AM
I suppose making a drinking game of it by taking a shot every time he tells a lie would just be organized suicide.
I wouldn't make it past the first ten minutes!

:-D
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on August 25, 2020, 12:38:16 PM
I suppose making a drinking game of it by taking a shot every time he tells a lie would just be organized suicide.
That game is rigged so Republicans always win.
 
When Trump lies the Democrats drink, but Republicans think it's the truth.
After the convention is over, all the Democrats are dead from alcohol poisoning, but all the Republicans are still sober as judges.
No Democrats are alive to vote in the election, and Trump wins by a landslide.
America is great again, because no one that matters is around to protest.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 01:24:12 PM
That game is rigged so Republicans always win.
 
When Trump lies the Democrats drink, but Republicans think it's the truth.
After the convention is over, all the Democrats are dead from alcohol poisoning, but all the Republicans are still sober as judges.
No Democrats are alive to vote in the election, and Trump wins by a landslide.
America is great again, because no one that matters is around to protest.

JFK = Republican
LBJ = Republican
Carter = Republican
Clinton = Republican
Obama = Republican

If all the Dems are closet Republicans (and I can argue that this list is) … then no wonder y'all are unhappy!  Maybe the DNC should fix your broken primary system?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2020, 05:48:50 PM
"Liberal Journalist Jemele Hill Says The U.S. Is As Bad As Nazi Germany" … send her to the ovens ;-)  Most African-Americans courtesy of Farrakhan are anti-Semites

"Watch: BLM Protesters Shot By Homeowners While Marching Through Rural Town" … apparently they didn't watch "Deliverance" … as Admiral Yamamoto used to say, in America there is a rifle behind every blade of grass (or MJ plant)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 26, 2020, 09:54:39 AM
"ARMED Citizens Are Taking to the Streets to DEFEND Kenosha Against BLM Rioters, This is CIVIL WAR" … if the cops won't or can't restore order, the vigilance committee will
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 26, 2020, 11:53:50 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgUCYghWoAApDqY?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 26, 2020, 01:32:07 PM
Second RNC night riddled with dishonesty (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/25/politics/rnc-night-two-fact-check/index.html)

Quote
First Lady Melania Trump concluded the second night of the Republican National Convention with a speech in which she said, "Total honesty is what we as citizens deserve from our president."
So...someone else?  Rick Astley, maybe?  I dunno if the 22nd amendment would jive with him never saying goodbye, but at least he'd never tell a lie and hurt us.

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Eric Trump suggested that his father had achieved peace in the Middle East and brought never-ending wars to an end.
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-30-2015/5-qGwr.gif)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on August 26, 2020, 07:04:01 PM
Dems = Left handed devils
Repub= Right handed devils

"California Is A Failed State, Residents Are Fleeing Rolling Blackouts And Authoritarian Lockdown" … deserves an ironic video response …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHomETco0MI

Enjoying that 20% US uranium you got from Comrade Obama?

Which California nuclear reactor will go Chernobyl?  Already did at San Onofre?  Fictionally in 2001 thriller … Fallout

"Republican Convention Got SIX TIMES More Livestream Viewers Than Democrats, Media Narrative CRUMBL..
Watch" … on numbers with Tulsa rally … Dems are Neanderthals, they don't even have cable TV.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on August 27, 2020, 01:03:41 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TI1foj2.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on August 27, 2020, 07:22:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TI1foj2.jpg)
I'm convinced that this is the kind of thing that won Biden the nomination.  He says nice things but they don't translate into any meaningful outcome.  So voters say, "Biden is a better guy the Trump because he will do what's right," which is not an expectation of a meaningful outcome.  I want more than that.  What  does a president say he's going to do?  Does he do it?  And is it what I want him to do?  I don't find philosophical bullshit inspiring.  The proof is in the nuts and bolts. 

I want universal healthcare.  Not some half ass crap that keeps the insurance salesman's foot in my door and my elected officials in his pocket.  I want equal justice, not a police force with a knee jerk response to shoot black people.  I don't want to pay taxes that are used by politicians to square accounts with their corporate donors.

And will someone please tell me who fucked up my mail?  My Netflix dvd delivery is now 5 days later than Netflix tells me it will be here, and my medications from Canada are now weeks later than they were.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on August 27, 2020, 11:11:57 AM
I'm convinced that this is the kind of thing that won Biden the nomination.  He says nice things but they don't translate into any meaningful outcome.  So voters say, "Biden is a better guy the Trump because he will do what's right," which is not an expectation of a meaningful outcome.  I want more than that.  What  does a president say he's going to do?  Does he do it?  And is it what I want him to do?  I don't find philosophical bullshit inspiring.  The proof is in the nuts and bolts. 

Politicians are not incentived to solve problems, the are incentivezed to win elections. When a politician gives specifics on complicated policies, he or she is inviting attacks by their adversaries.

I've daydreamed of a new system of democratic government that solves this incentive problem. Citizens would rank choice issues they want addressed, such as affordable healthcare, reducing unemployment, etc. A panel of experts for each issue would then set acheiveable, measurable goals. Different political parties would then list all their cabinet members and post a written proposal how they would meet those goals in a four-year term. Then voters would choose which team to install in office. If the poltical party doesn't meet all the goals by the end of term every member of the team is ineligible for re-election, they are all replaced. There would be no biparitsanship.

And will someone please tell me who fucked up my mail?  My Netflix dvd delivery is now 5 days later than Netflix tells me it will be here, and my medications from Canada are now weeks later than they were.

I'm having the same experience.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on August 27, 2020, 11:24:13 AM
Citizens would rank choice issues they want addressed, such as affordable healthcare, reducing unemployment, etc.
That would be ideal if extended to local government as well. Also need some sort of method to derive the list of issues that will be ranked.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on August 27, 2020, 01:15:40 PM
Citizens would rank choice issues they want addressed, such as affordable healthcare, reducing unemployment, etc.
That would be ideal if extended to local government as well. Also need some sort of method to derive the list of issues that will be ranked.
I haven't thought a lot about this as I have never even considered it before, although intuitively, I think this could be worked out, or some concept that is closely related to the idea.  The problem with "intuitively believing this would work" is that intuition is not a great way to arrive at conclusions.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2020, 11:49:44 AM
"Portland Murder Suspect Dead After Pulling Gun On Feds During Arrest; Admitted Guilt Hours Earlier In Vice Interview" ... death by cop, same as George Floyd etc

"FEDS ARREST BLM ANTIFA LEFTIST FOR SENDING BOMB THREAT TO PORTLAND POLICE, MEDIA PROTECTS FAR LEFT" ... burn down the media

"WOMAN BEATS 12 YEAR OLD BOY FOR CARRYING TRUMP SIGN SAY POLICE, TERMINAL TDS IS SERIOUS" .. women are trash

"NANCY PELOSI DEMANDS APOLOGY FROM SALON AFTER SHE BROKE COVID RULES AND ADMITTED IT" ... more women are trash

"DEMOCRATS ISSUE VEILED THREAT, VOTE FOR JOE BIDEN OR CITIES BURN, SAY THEY WILL NOT CONCEDE TO TRUMP" ... same as 1860, nuke Dem cities

"DEMS LIE, CLAIM TRUMP TOLD PEOPLE TO VOTE TWICE, TWITTER INTERFERES IN ELECTION AGAIN" same old same old

How the previous incarnation of the DNC IRA was eliminated ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhyDRbdVlS0

When cops were allowed to do their job ...

"Seattle mayor asks state Supreme Court to halt recall effort against her" ... fire her (like condo of Portland mayor?)

"Hunter Biden's deals 'served' China and its military, new documentary claims" .. Biden is CCP candidate

"Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best steps down, claims cuts left her 'destined to fail'" ... even Black females not good enough for Marxists

"Hair salon had to remove job ad for 'happy’ stylist because it is 'discriminatory' against unhappy people" ... why SJWs are as evil as communists

"Discover blocks donations to site raising money for Kyle Rittenhouse defense" ... burn the credit card companies?

"US employers hire 1.4M in August as unemployment rate falls sharply ... continued improvement ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dc3dnev9rY

And even I don't like him

“The result of preaching totalitarian doctrines is to weaken the instinct by means of which free peoples know what is or is not dangerous.” - George Orwell, Animal Farm ... humans are monkey people, animals too

"Bill Clinton Claims Trump Will "Sandbag" Himself Inside White House If He Loses" .. Bill just wants to bang more ladies in the WH and get back that Epstein portrait of him in the blue dress

"ANTIFA KILLER'S SISTER WARNS, HE WILL BE A MARTYR FOR FAR LEFTISTS AS CALLS FOR CIVIL WAR INTENSIF.." ... looking forward to the coming genocide.

"DHS Braces For 'Potential EMP Attack' As Presidential Election Nears" ... China or Russia can provide.  Or how about another CIA false flag?

"Rationalizing 'The Great Reset'" ... Agenda 2030, electronic slavery to the UN, which is run by the Elite.

""A man wearing a Patriot Prayer hat was murdered in Portland by a criminal who said he was "100% Antifa" and instead of banning Antifa pages, Facebook banned Patriot Prayer..."" ... Facebook is evil

"TRUMP'S "VOTE TWICE" COMMENT TRICKED MEDIA INTO ACCEPTING MAIL IN VOTING IS BROKEN" ... Dems will, so Repubs should too ;-p  Trump again demonstrates his ability to troll all the "smart" people.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on September 05, 2020, 10:57:28 PM
I'm hoping the debates go forward.  I've heard that Biden says he will fact check Trump during the debates.  That raises two points that I find interesting.

1. The idea that Trump would use facts.
2. The idea that Biden could fact-check anyone.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 05, 2020, 11:39:56 PM
I'm hoping the debates go forward.  I've heard that Biden says he will fact check Trump during the debates.  That raises two points that I find interesting.

1. The idea that Trump would use facts.
2. The idea that Biden could fact-check anyone.
I thought this was hilarious, but aside from the humor, I don't think facts are that important to most voters.  Some for sure, but for most not.  I would arrange the following qualities in order of their importance to most voters.

Party affiliation
Stage presence
Looks
Gender
Skin color
Integrity
Intelligence
Grasp of facts

The exact placements may be up for debate, except for party affiliation being the most important factor in winning the debate, while integrity, grasp of facts, and intelligence would probably be close to the bottom.  There may be factors I left out that could be somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2020, 09:18:39 AM
I'm hoping the debates go forward.  I've heard that Biden says he will fact check Trump during the debates.  That raises two points that I find interesting.

1. The idea that Trump would use facts.
2. The idea that Biden could fact-check anyone.

Both are professional liars, one from the commercial sector, one from the political sector.  Facts are weapons, so are lies.  Both will be used.  Fact checking organizations are infiltrated by political operatives, just as Wikipedia article of H W Bush is.

IMHO, I don't want the debates to go forward ... because Biden is a case of elder abuse, and Harris is a case of ironic Black cultural appropriation.  Pence might be the only adult in the room.  The moderator in any case is a Deep State Journalist who will do what the CIA tells him to.

If I voted again, again I would vote third party, even though the Libertarian candidate this time is more cringeworthy than the one last time (who I voted for).  The libertarians reverted to form, as they were in 1976, when I got to meet their VP candidate in person at a small meeting at college.  Basically make everything legal, including rioting.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 07, 2020, 03:54:47 AM
(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5b3cf7f3da02bc625d110b92/1584926092222-BIYYJILUU8HFUBAHN3S6/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kIyIhpmgZkr3Gk0l9jPmYeBZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZUJFbgE-7XRK3dMEBRBhUpyX9RYMdiH8h0T7vvmAJ4CJU2AFykoc-wDf_VGDHeTeQm-o2OtvSn0wT1qAKFioVBM/IMG_9199.jpg?format=1000w)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on September 09, 2020, 06:13:48 PM
Bob Woodward strikes again: during interviews earlier this year, the Oval Orifice admitted that a) he knew just how bad COVID-19 was and b) he deliberately downplayed it (https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html).

And there are tapes (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-woodward-book-09-09-2020/h_5bb44945ec0cf0eba9cdd92ab28fde3c).

Good luck spinning his own voice as "fake news"...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 09, 2020, 06:57:06 PM
Bob Woodward strikes again: during interviews earlier this year, the Oval Orifice admitted that a) he knew just how bad COVID-19 was and b) he deliberately downplayed it (https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html).

And there are tapes (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-woodward-book-09-09-2020/h_5bb44945ec0cf0eba9cdd92ab28fde3c).

Good luck spinning his own voice as "fake news"...

Mr Woodward is a well known CIA agent ;-)  CIA should cancel elections and just appoint their best agent as President.

"Departing Facebook engineer accuses tech giant of 'profiting off hate'" ... better than profiting from detergent

"Taco Bell customer threatens staff, spews racial slurs over price of tacos: 'I'm Charlie Manson's daughter!'" ... a true Democrat

"SECRET COALITION OF LEFTIST GROUPS ARE PREPARING FOR POST ELECTION VIOLENCE, UNLESS JOE BIDEN WINS" ... aka CIA, FBI

"Palestinian hijacker Leila Khaled to speak at San Francisco State University, Jewish groups condemn invitation" ... typical of Muslim allied Dems

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on September 09, 2020, 08:19:02 PM
Although a lot of people are saying that if the election isn't settled we will get an interim president Pelosi, they are actually wrong.  There is a constitution remedy in the 2nd Article and the 12th Amendment.

In the event that the elector college fails to pick, the decision gets sent to the House of Representatives.  However, in spite of the Democratic majority, that won't result in a Democratic victory.

27 state delegations have a Republican majority.  21 states delegations have a Democratic majority.  1 state is evenly tied, and one state is 7D, 6R, and 1L.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 14, 2020, 11:58:15 AM
Don't worry fellow scared suburban conservatives ! When black, brown, gay, and atheist hordes come to plunder your solar path lights and plastic kiddie pools, Trumpy Bear is here to protect and console you !! I am so scared about this election I was just about to order mine until I read this Amazon review..

Do not purchase. Very poorly assembled. Hair was thin and spotty. One eyebrow had very little hair while the other was fine. Certificate contained typographical errors and referred to product as "Trampy Bear" in one instance. Airbagged packaged in an envelope, but finally fluffed out ok. Absolutely would not recommend this purchase!

(https://images.newrepublic.com/82344da3bf4e152a4355d736a555ca581e409636.png?w=1024&h=512&crop=faces&fit=crop&fm=jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 14, 2020, 12:25:12 PM
I thought that ad was hilarious!  And as I understand it, being atheist or gay isn't the same as being communist, I have no fear of the atheist or gay hordes.  The communists are another matter, and the rioters and other sociopaths.  Those I will oppose.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 14, 2020, 01:33:50 PM
I thought that ad was hilarious!  And as I understand it, being atheist or gay isn't the same as being communist, I have no fear of the atheist or gay hordes.  The communists are another matter, and the rioters and other sociopaths.  Those I will oppose.
The "MyPillow guy has to be involved somehow  :zzz:
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on September 14, 2020, 03:59:17 PM
Although a lot of people are saying that if the election isn't settled we will get an interim president Pelosi, they are actually wrong.  There is a constitution remedy in the 2nd Article and the 12th Amendment.

In the event that the elector college fails to pick, the decision gets sent to the House of Representatives.  However, in spite of the Democratic majority, that won't result in a Democratic victory.

27 state delegations have a Republican majority.  21 states delegations have a Democratic majority.  1 state is evenly tied, and one state is 7D, 6R, and 1L.
It would be the incoming new Congress, not the current one, to do the voting.  However, I don't really expect enough, or even any, delegations to flip.

If the election goes to the next Congress, and if Democrats can flip the Senate (just possible), you could have the bizarre circumstance of the House choosing the Oval Orifice and the Senate choosing Kamala Harris.  The 12th Amendment is silent on what happens if the Senate is evenly divided -- it does not say that the current VP casts a tiebreaker, although I imagine Pence would try to.  And then we get the Supreme Court involved, and I have no idea how they would decide that one.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 15, 2020, 11:31:04 AM
Trump's people used Russian MIGs and Russian Troops in a "support out troops ad". Sharp bunch? or just truth in advertising? Morons in any event.
(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/142/926/9926142.jpeg)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2020, 11:33:11 AM
How is this different from "I started 4 new wars and got a Nobel" Obama?  You either work for the MIC or you are dead.  Just ask JFK or MLK.

"Exhaustive Pentagon Review Finds No Evidence For NYTimes' "Russian Bounties" Story" ... a vast Trump conspiracy, I tells yah

"LEFTISTS CHEER BILLIONAIRE CASH IN ELECTIONS AS BLOOMBERG PLEDGES 100 MILLION FOR BIDEN" ... liberals taken for a ride

"TRUMP WANTS A 4 HOUR DEBATE WITH BIDEN HOSTED BY JOE ROGAN" ... Biden falls asleep after 5 mins, then Trump does what he likes most, spends the next 4 hours talking about himself ;-p

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 15, 2020, 12:08:10 PM
How is this different from "I started 4 new wars and got a Nobel" Obama?
Right. The Bush fiascos. Bush senior does a half-assed job and has no after-war plan. And then Jr attacks Iraq and Afghanistan because Saudis and Egyptians blew up NYC and the pentagon on his watch. Again leaves Iraq with no plan just like his old man. Well it's all gawds fault anyways. He made them do it.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 15, 2020, 12:16:51 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/nCZbSdp/putin-trump-kiss-mural-by-mindaugas-bonanu-2wj14h8zd0-480x301.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2020, 12:47:36 PM
How is this different from "I started 4 new wars and got a Nobel" Obama?
Right. The Bush fiascos. Bush senior does a half-assed job and has no after-war plan. And then Jr attacks Iraq and Afghanistan because Saudis and Egyptians blew up NYC and the pentagon on his watch. Again leaves Iraq with no plan just like his old man. Well it's all gawds fault anyways. He made them do it.

Since WW II, the MIC isn't interested in peace or winning, it is all about war profiteering.  WW II got the US out of the Great Depression, not the New Deal.  I am one of the beneficiaries, not that I favor combat, I cared for the young people I worked with.  I would have had to do something else for a living (and planned to) if it wasn't for the Cold War and War on Terror.  So "Que Bono".  The Taliban ended the opium trade.  The CIA runs the world drug trade (since Vietnam at least, Golden Triangle).

This is how the spooks money launder ... and regular criminals too.  The US invasion of Afghanistan reestablished the opium trade, so that it could go into Russia to addict the Russian people.  See British Empire 1840s Opium Wars with China.  OSS/CIA worked with the Jewish and Italian Mafia in WW II, with German war criminals after WW II.  JFK was son of Irish-American Mafia, who worked with the Italian-American Mafia.

It isn't clear just how connected the Saudi Royals are to 9/11, and who all were involved.  Just saying.  Before 9/11, George W was putting a stick in China's eye (2001 spy plane incident).  Never let a crisis go to waste seems bipartisan to me.  The larger point is, modern nation states cannot prosper without ever greater government expenditure, and MIC is a convenient way to do this (war is very expensive).  There is no final victory anytime in history.  Just study the endless wars with Persia (still happening now).  Not saying that Osama Bin Ladin or Saddam Hussein are saints.

What does Trump have to do with any of this?  He wants to moderate the warmongering.  Seems good to me.  That prior image seems anti-gay to me.  Why shouldn't Putin and Trump get it on, are you a bigot? ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on September 15, 2020, 01:38:14 PM
Trump's people used Russian MIGs and Russian Troops in a "support out troops ad". Sharp bunch? or just truth in advertising? Morons in any event.
He didn't actually say whose troops to support... and he's so far in Vlad the Impaler Putin's back pocket, he probably thinks Russian troops are his anyway.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2020, 03:06:01 PM
He didn't actually say whose troops to support... and he's so far in Vlad the Impaler Putin's back pocket, he probably thinks Russian troops are his anyway.

Death to Russia
Life to China
Death to Russia
Life to China ... something wrong with this, they are allies!

"POLICE CHARGE BLM LEFTISTS WHO HARASSED ELDERLY COUPLE, RAID ON ANTIFA ENDS LANCASTER RIOTS" ... arrest all violent street people, put them in a time machine, send them back to Woodstock 1969 where they belong!

General "Mad Dog" Mattis projecting Burt Lancaster ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRiZtqVPJ9U

"Joe Biden And Kamala Harris Both Refer To 'Harris Administration' During Public Speeches" ... if Biden gets in, he will resign, make Kamala President, then Kamala brings in Hillary as VP, then Hillary assassinates Kamala (suicided with two bullets to back of head, like Vince Foster), and Hillary's Manifest Destiny is achieved ... Bwhaha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tDeDiLowB4

Yes, Hippies go away already!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxzq9BLE5Hg

America, go the distance!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on September 15, 2020, 06:27:01 PM
Shades of Hitler like actions:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whistleblower-ice-hysterectomies-georgia_n_5f60d307c5b68d1b09c812b6

Forced hysterectomies.  And we are the moral beacon for the world............
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on September 15, 2020, 06:29:00 PM
Scientific American Makes First Political Endorsement In 175 Years

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden_n_5f60e701c5b6e27db133a902
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on September 15, 2020, 07:35:38 PM
It would be the incoming new Congress, not the current one, to do the voting.  However, I don't really expect enough, or even any, delegations to flip.

If the election goes to the next Congress, and if Democrats can flip the Senate (just possible), you could have the bizarre circumstance of the House choosing the Oval Orifice and the Senate choosing Kamala Harris.  The 12th Amendment is silent on what happens if the Senate is evenly divided -- it does not say that the current VP casts a tiebreaker, although I imagine Pence would try to.  And then we get the Supreme Court involved, and I have no idea how they would decide that one.

True, but how much do you expect the congress to flip?  I'm not talking about Congress as a whole, which is already Democratic, but individual state delegations.

As it stands now, 27 state delegations are Republican and 21 are Democratic. One is evenly tied, and one is split 3 ways but is 50% Democratic. If the vote were taken right now it would be a Republican victory, but that is not all there is.

If there are contested House races, it falls within the power of the House to vote on which person to seat. The obvious contender are the states where the delegation is already 50%, MI and PA. Then CO and FL both have an odd number of Representatives AND are 50%+1 Republican, meaning that one seat switched would lead to them being 50%+1 Democrat.

That does only bring the count to 25 to 25, evenly tied. It requires four contested races being decided in the House, so it isn't enough to get 26. So that leaves some states with a bigger margin to overcome.

There are 5 states that have only one Representative: AK, MT, ND, SD, WY. Unfortunately they are all very solidly red states, a contested race there would be quite obviously a setup. Then there are states where you need two seats to switch: ID, KS, MS, NE, SC, UT, WV, and WI. Again they are all Red states, having two seats up for grabs that way in any one of them also is a little hard to envision.

Still, that leaves 13 options, so maybe one of them could be worked to give the Democrats a 26-24 advantage in the House.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on September 15, 2020, 08:38:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idPv9zAkL48
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2020, 09:26:09 PM
Shades of Hitler like actions:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whistleblower-ice-hysterectomies-georgia_n_5f60d307c5b68d1b09c812b6

Forced hysterectomies.  And we are the moral beacon for the world............

Bad precedents for that in early 20th century ;-(  For profit prisons ring a bell?  Not a good idea ever.  Another bipartisan thing, like cops and Kamala.  Planned Parenthood was developed 120 years ago to kill of the African-Americans.  We are less prejudiced now, we want to kill of a wider scope of people.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2020, 09:27:12 PM
Scientific American Makes First Political Endorsement In 175 Years

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden_n_5f60e701c5b6e27db133a902

Guess I would have to drop my subscription, if I had one.  Used to be a great non-partisan magazine, but all the academics are commies now.

@Jason Harvestdancer ... politics is local, so they say.  People vote for policies that hurt them, and which help the sponsors of political action.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on September 16, 2020, 09:42:44 PM
True, but how much do you expect the congress to flip?  I'm not talking about Congress as a whole, which is already Democratic, but individual state delegations.
Yes, I know that.  I said I don't expect enough delegations to flip.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 17, 2020, 06:44:16 AM
I haven't been out a lot but I've seen people with Trump t-shirts, hats, face masks, lawn signs, bumper stickers and giant flags. I've seen maybe a couple of Biden bumper stickers.

MAGA Visibility Is Making Democrats Nervous (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/maga-visibility-is-making-democrats-nervous.html)

... But this year the COVID-19 pandemic has understandably led Biden-Harris strategists to rely on more remote mobilization techniques, at least so far. And the contrast with the extremely visible advocates of MAGA, who are far less inhibited by public health guidance, is making some Democrats nervous, as TIME’s Charlotte Alter discovered in Michigan:

This year, 83-year old former Chrysler employee [Don Sabbe] says he’ll definitely vote for Joe Biden, but he’s getting concerned about Biden’s campaign here in Michigan.

“I can’t even find a sign,” Sabbe says outside a Kroger’s in Sterling Heights, where surrounding cars fly massive Donald Trump flags that say “No More Bullsh-t” and fellow shoppers wear Trump T-shirts for their weekend grocery runs. “I’m looking for one of those storefronts. I’m looking for a campaign office for Biden. And I’m not finding one.”

The reason Sabbe can’t find a dedicated Biden campaign field office is because there aren’t any around here. Not in Macomb County, the swing region where Sabbe lives. It’s not even clear Biden has opened any new dedicated field offices in the state; because of the pandemic, they’ve moved their field organizing effort online. ...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on September 17, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
I find it odd and disturbing how inept the Democrats have become in the last couple of decades.  They are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again.  The older I become the more I simply find myself understand less and less of the politics of this country.  Except for one thing--money rules!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 17, 2020, 10:21:22 AM
I find it odd and disturbing how inept the Democrats have become in the last couple of decades.  They are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again.  The older I become the more I simply find myself understand less and less of the politics of this country.  Except for one thing--money rules!

Power rules.  Money is a form of power.  Yes, a primary fact is that the DNC wants to fail, either to not get elected, or to do the wrong things.  I have always seen that in the RNC.  Don't worry about the peasants!  We simply aren't that important to the millionaires other than as a nuisance.  Yes, candidates still get elected, but that is in spite of their crappy campaigns and their crappy party leaderships.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on September 17, 2020, 12:50:51 PM
I haven't been out a lot but I've seen people with Trump t-shirts, hats, face masks, lawn signs, bumper stickers and giant flags. I've seen maybe a couple of Biden bumper stickers.

MAGA Visibility Is Making Democrats Nervous (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/maga-visibility-is-making-democrats-nervous.html)

... But this year the COVID-19 pandemic has understandably led Biden-Harris strategists to rely on more remote mobilization techniques, at least so far. And the contrast with the extremely visible advocates of MAGA, who are far less inhibited by public health guidance, is making some Democrats nervous, as TIME’s Charlotte Alter discovered in Michigan:

This year, 83-year old former Chrysler employee [Don Sabbe] says he’ll definitely vote for Joe Biden, but he’s getting concerned about Biden’s campaign here in Michigan.

“I can’t even find a sign,” Sabbe says outside a Kroger’s in Sterling Heights, where surrounding cars fly massive Donald Trump flags that say “No More Bullsh-t” and fellow shoppers wear Trump T-shirts for their weekend grocery runs. “I’m looking for one of those storefronts. I’m looking for a campaign office for Biden. And I’m not finding one.”

The reason Sabbe can’t find a dedicated Biden campaign field office is because there aren’t any around here. Not in Macomb County, the swing region where Sabbe lives. It’s not even clear Biden has opened any new dedicated field offices in the state; because of the pandemic, they’ve moved their field organizing effort online. ...

I have not seen many Trump signs around here, even where I remember seeing them four years ago.  They're definitely fewer and further between.

On one street, I was treated to the spectacularly willfully blind "TRUMP 2020 NO MORE BULLSHIT" sign on one side of the street... and directly across was a yard sign simply saying "FUCK TRUMP".

I think I'll definitely call this the weirdest Presidential campaign I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on September 19, 2020, 08:11:35 PM
Since our longest war is winding down, I guess we'll need another enemy soon. My expectation is that it will be Iran, and soon, likely even before the coming ''election.''
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 19, 2020, 10:05:45 PM
Since our longest war is winding down, I guess we'll need another enemy soon. My expectation is that it will be Iran, and soon, likely even before the coming ''election.''

I would hope not.  Isn't a new US Civil War enough to boost the economy?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on September 19, 2020, 10:42:16 PM
I fully expect to see the USA use a nuke before Trump's second term is finished. Maybe Iran, maybe Venezuela, maybe N. Korea, or maybe someplace not in play yet.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on September 20, 2020, 12:43:46 AM
Well played, Joe, well played (https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1307491919384260609).  :D
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on September 20, 2020, 01:54:59 AM
Biden nears 50% in polls - both nationally and in key battleground states (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/18/joe-biden-polls-electoral-college-417880)

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According to the latest RealClearPolitics average, Biden is sitting at 49.3 percent in national surveys and has a 6.2 percentage point lead over President Donald Trump. That’s significantly higher than Clinton’s 44.9 percent mark this time four years ago, which was good for only a 1 point lead.
6 point lead compared to Clinton's 1 point lead this time 4 years (Is "years" correct?  Cause they feel like decades) ago.

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It’s the same story in many of the battleground states: Biden is at or within 2 points of majority support in enough states to lock down an Electoral College victory, compared with Clinton’s low- to mid-40s scores in mid-September 2016 in the same states, some of which she would end up losing as late-deciding voters went decisively for Trump.
Don't uncork the champagne though.  Get out and vote like it's your last opportunity to vote.  Cause it might be.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 20, 2020, 03:37:12 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/nCZbSdp/putin-trump-kiss-mural-by-mindaugas-bonanu-2wj14h8zd0-480x301.jpg)

There are other ones watching that scene in envy.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 20, 2020, 09:52:06 AM
I fully expect to see the USA use a nuke before Trump's second term is finished. Maybe Iran, maybe Venezuela, maybe N. Korea, or maybe someplace not in play yet.

Boys love fires, the bigger the better.  Women are more practical eg cooking only.  No, nuke California and any other Confederate/Dem state.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on September 20, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
Also, Biden polls better than Trump with Independents (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914103948/poll-biden-maintains-lead-over-trump): 57% to Trump's paltry 36%

That's a substantial improvement over Clinton, who only got 42% of Independents.

A worrying thing about these polls is that whites are apparently evenly split between Biden and Trump.  But apparently, it's fairly common for whites to be torn between R and D candidates - in every presidential election including and since 1972, whites have leaned R - the only times it's been even close have been with Jimmy Carter and both of Bill Clinton's presidential races.  The Republicans' Southern Strategy of inflaming and then exploiting racial hatreds for personal gain has largely been successful, though Ol' Reliable seems to be over-milked as of late.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 21, 2020, 08:54:56 AM
I haven't been out a lot but I've seen people with Trump t-shirts, hats, face masks, lawn signs, bumper stickers and giant flags. I've seen maybe a couple of Biden bumper stickers.

MAGA Visibility Is Making Democrats Nervous (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/maga-visibility-is-making-democrats-nervous.html)

... But this year the COVID-19 pandemic has understandably led Biden-Harris strategists to rely on more remote mobilization techniques, at least so far. And the contrast with the extremely visible advocates of MAGA, who are far less inhibited by public health guidance, is making some Democrats nervous, as TIME’s Charlotte Alter discovered in Michigan:

This year, 83-year old former Chrysler employee [Don Sabbe] says he’ll definitely vote for Joe Biden, but he’s getting concerned about Biden’s campaign here in Michigan.

“I can’t even find a sign,” Sabbe says outside a Kroger’s in Sterling Heights, where surrounding cars fly massive Donald Trump flags that say “No More Bullsh-t” and fellow shoppers wear Trump T-shirts for their weekend grocery runs. “I’m looking for one of those storefronts. I’m looking for a campaign office for Biden. And I’m not finding one.”

The reason Sabbe can’t find a dedicated Biden campaign field office is because there aren’t any around here. Not in Macomb County, the swing region where Sabbe lives. It’s not even clear Biden has opened any new dedicated field offices in the state; because of the pandemic, they’ve moved their field organizing effort online. ...

Oddly, since I moved to a remote part of Virginia, I have lived in a sea of Republican signs.  Many people here have left their Trump signs up since 2016, only updating the year of the election.  In a 50 mile radius from my house, I have never seen one sign supporting a Democrat.. Until this year.  There are two Biden signs within 10 miles of my house that showed up in the last month.  I was stunned.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on September 22, 2020, 09:51:01 PM
Trump won't nuke.  He is much less consistent on the military than a career politician, since he came up by a different route.  His personal focus starts and ends with the economy, and other stuff is to please his base.

He even called out the leadership of the military.  As a vet I can say the grunts don't much like the leadership.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on September 22, 2020, 10:13:04 PM
He is much less consistent on the military than a career politician, since he came up by a different route.
Is that code for "horribly unqualified, erratic, and basically impossible to consult, therefore his policy positions are all over the place"?

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His personal focus starts and ends with the economy
The economy is certainly his favorite talking point (though less so today, for some reason).  Basically, if the stock market is high, he tells his cultists that he did it and they believe him.

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He even called out the leadership of the military
He got into infantile spats with people who have vastly more knowledge and expertise them him.  He may have occasionally come to a reasonable conclusion (exhibit A: Bolton) but the process by which he arrived there is a goddamn trainwreck.

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As a vet I can say the grunts don't much like the leadership.
Evidentially.  Trump lags behind Biden even in the military (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/), which is quite a feat considering that Biden is allegedly some super-left commie.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 22, 2020, 11:04:11 PM
Trump won't nuke.  He is much less consistent on the military than a career politician, since he came up by a different route.  His personal focus starts and ends with the economy, and other stuff is to please his base.

He even called out the leadership of the military.  As a vet I can say the grunts don't much like the leadership.

Obama was like Gandhi!  Michelle loves George W!  Psychosis yet?

The leadership murdered thousands of grunts in Korea and Vietnam (but the grunts were draftees).  Volunteer military is professional, they won't take that kind of crap from the leadership again.

The Leftist model is that the US military is just like the Russian military in 1917 ... but then they smoke heavy shit.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on September 23, 2020, 10:12:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvRxe6HAV-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIjenjANqAk

Swing and a miss and another miss and oops we've created a mentally unstable mob full of people unglued from reality.  Help them out and educate them a little bit or point them at our political enemies?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 25, 2020, 05:18:47 AM
I don't have any illusions about changing the minds of Trump supporters just as I can't imagine my own opinion of Trump changing. I would ask them the classic election question "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

Republicans have been in charge so if you like how things are in 2020 then keep the same politicians in office.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 25, 2020, 05:50:35 AM
Most of Trump's supporters do feel better off than 4 years ago.  Pushing the oppressed to the point of rebellion is a warm fuzzy, proving that the oppressed are unworthy.  And if I were a religious fanatic, I would be enthralled with a right wing Supreme Court, no matter how unconventionally they were appointed.  That the 1% should get more of the tax base for themselves would be a non issue.  The biggest improvement for Trump supporters is that they now have a voice, and they love the idea of an outspoken lunatic unleashing so many of their own crazy thoughts without concern over the blow back.  This is the freedom they have sought.  America is finally great again.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 25, 2020, 06:38:21 AM
I think there was a sizable block of thoughtless voters who "just wanted to see what would happen".
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 25, 2020, 06:44:31 AM
Most of Trump's supporters do feel better off than 4 years ago.

This is where I have to recognize I have a skewed perspective because it seems to me that many people regardless of political affiliation are frustrated, fearful and worried about the future. Polls have shown a large increase in Americans reporting anxiety, depression and increased substance use. I doubt Trump supporters are happy, I suspect they just don't blame Trump for perceived problems.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 25, 2020, 07:22:18 AM
I think there was a sizable block of thoughtless voters who "just wanted to see what would happen".
lol  I have to admit, I was interested in seeing what would happen, not enough to actually vote for the guy, but I did start off with an intense curiosity.  "Let's see how the Hell this is going to work out."  Now if I were a Democrat, rather than a Liberal, I would have been doing a lot of hand wringing and had a bigger stake in the whole thing (probably), but as it was, I was curious.  So I can see that some people may have said something like, "Well, we are getting nowhere with a Democratic leadership, I think I'll vote Republican."   Although, I don't know how many people would act on that.  Apparently there were a lot, especially in those states that turned red from blue, there had to be some serious dissatisfaction with the Democratic leadership.  I don't know how many switched parties, or how many just stayed home.  In fact, I believe this attitude has been growing among Liberals for a long time, and as much as Trump displeases those people now, I think that attitude still exists.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 25, 2020, 08:04:25 AM
This is where I have to recognize I have a skewed perspective because it seems to me that many people regardless of political affiliation are frustrated, fearful and worried about the future. Polls have shown a large increase in Americans reporting anxiety, depression and increased substance use. I doubt Trump supporters are happy, I suspect they just don't blame Trump for perceived problems.
If Republicans aren't happy right now, I'm at a loss to explain why.  In the last four years, the Republican Party has delivered to its constituents far more than it ever has.  They have changed the direction of the nation dramatically in ways matter to the average Republican.  What's not for them to be happy about?  Yes, Republicans failed at repealing Obamacare and probably a few other promises, but over all they have made tremendous strides during the Trump administration.  They did their job and got it done as far as I can tell.  Much of this is not the work of Trump, but he does act as a relief valve for right wing frustrations.  He speaks to his supporters hearts, toxic and vulgar as he does, but in ways they seem to approve and understand.

But I think you are right that people are more frustrated, anxious, and depressed that ever before.  Probably more so than during the Great Depression.  America is in a slide.  Our global supremacy is in decline. We are more vulnerable, both in national security and economically. And worst of all we hate each other.  But I suppose this is normal when people get frustrated.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 25, 2020, 08:10:00 AM
My company offered to fund engineers to pursue an MBA degree. The class that affected me the most was marketing. The science of manipulation. The art of the 'spin'. The 'pull'. The 'push'. The tugging on emotion. The marketer, the politician, the salesman, the lobbyist, the priest, the magician, the extremist. All the same.

Anyone who exists way out on the wings has been manipulated. Facts are simply not out there by definition. However, statistics predict that they will happen to represent the truth on rare occasions. But that does not matter because it is buried their noise.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 25, 2020, 12:50:05 PM
I don't have any illusions about changing the minds of Trump supporters just as I can't imagine my own opinion of Trump changing. I would ask them the classic election question "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"

Republicans have been in charge so if you like how things are in 2020 then keep the same politicians in office.

My ex and daughter are liberals, have full TDS from the start.  My ex is so crazy, and being half Italian, she would rather move to Italy and claim dual citizenship and support La Cosa Nostra than be an American except under the most liberal possible government.  Psychopathy, mania and paranoia.  They are most dear to me, but they must do what they must do.  This is the only degree by which the election touches me, otherwise I don't give a flip what happens to the US or the World.  Burn it all down, or don't.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 25, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
I think there was a sizable block of thoughtless voters who "just wanted to see what would happen".

I voted for Gary Johnson, so did my daughter.  I have never been a Republican, neither has she.  Every time you vote, unless you know the candidate personally, you are making a shot in the dark, like Breonna Taylor's gangster boyfriend.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 25, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
My company offered to fund engineers to pursue an MBA degree. The class that affected me the most was marketing. The science of manipulation. The art of the 'spin'. The 'pull'. The 'push'. The tugging on emotion. The marketer, the politician, the salesman, the lobbyist, the priest, the magician, the extremist. All the same.

Anyone who exists way out on the wings has been manipulated. Facts are simply not out there by definition. However, statistics predict that they will happen to represent the truth on rare occasions. But that does not matter because it is buried their noise.


Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud.  It wasn't just Joseph Goebbels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOUcXK_7d_c
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 25, 2020, 01:41:52 PM
If Republicans aren't happy right now, I'm at a loss to explain why.  In the last four years, the Republican Party has delivered to its constituents far more than it ever has.  They have changed the direction of the nation dramatically in ways matter to the average Republican.  What's not for them to be happy about?  Yes, Republicans failed at repealing Obamacare and probably a few other promises, but over all they have made tremendous strides during the Trump administration.  They did their job and got it done as far as I can tell.  Much of this is not the work of Trump, but he does act as a relief valve for right wing frustrations.  He speaks to his supporters hearts, toxic and vulgar as he does, but in ways they seem to approve and understand.

But I think you are right that people are more frustrated, anxious, and depressed that ever before.  Probably more so than during the Great Depression.  America is in a slide.  Our global supremacy is in decline. We are more vulnerable, both in national security and economically. And worst of all we hate each other.  But I suppose this is normal when people get frustrated.

That sounds familiar. But in a different way. Here, the religious government has been upset for some time because they KNOW they can't administrate. The country has changed so dramatically in the last 17 years, they can't believe themselves. They have been aware of it before the economical collapse few years ago. and they know they can't do anything either.

Would it be too much to say that as the republican brain team is not actually stupid, they perfectly know they can't really administrate the country?

The Funny thing is 15 years ago this wouldn't happen. Hell, 10 years ago it wouldn't happen. This angle wouldn't be there. I mean a political wing; a camp, wouldn't think this way, wouldn't care what is going to happen as long as they win, but then it would be obscure anyway. Not that anyone would put their minds into the future that way. LOL

E: That's a good hint about how radicalised the world got in short time. Also pandemic probably played a role too. And considering it is not going anywhere for a few years yet.  Ooof I want to move to another planet.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 25, 2020, 01:45:06 PM
That sounds familiar. But in a different way. Here, the religious government has been upset for some time because they KNOW they can't administrate. The country has changed so dramatically in the last 17 years, they can't believe themselves. They have been aware of it before the economical collapse few years ago. and they know they can't do anything either.

Would it be too much to say that as the republican brain team is not actually stupid, they perfectly know they can't really administrate the country?

The Funny thing is 15 years ago this wouldn't happen. Hell, 10 years ago it wouldn't happen. This angle wouldn't be there. I mean a political wing; a camp, wouldn't think this way, wouldn't care what is going to happen as long as they win, but then it would be obscure anyway. Not that anyone would put their minds into the future that way. LOL

Empires built on pillage eventually run out of other people's money, same as Socialism.  Can clerics run finance?  Specialization of labor says no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Sl-km0M2k

Even gays want to vote Trump.  Biden can bring Lenin's corpse from Moscow to his rally of the dead communists ;-)  A good rally theme song for them is the Darth Vader theme ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNv5sPu0C1E

... for all those Dem war mongers and their Deep State storm troopers!  Hillary looks just like the evil Emperor ... Republicans are the pre-quels ... the old Republic.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on September 27, 2020, 07:04:30 PM
Who knew Fox had honest staff?  At a minimum, someone wasn't paying attention whether there was a hot mic in their vicinity (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1310332612460847104)... best laugh I've had all week.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on September 27, 2020, 08:16:21 PM
I think I heard someone say "wash it." Don't know what was so dirty, though, except Trump's whole life.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2020, 12:39:22 AM
I think I heard someone say "wash it." Don't know what was so dirty, though, except Trump's whole life.

And if you were a pubic figure, how would you fare? ;-)
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"Herschel Walker claims China is helping fund BLM which then donates to Democrats" ... telling truth to evil power

"Colorado Encourages Dead People, Non-Citizens To Vote" ... on-line registration.  This is why voter registration should be in person

"Backlash Builds After Biden Compares Trump To Nazi Propagandist Goebbels" ... yes, the most Jewish non-Jewish President ever is a Nazi?  Biden et al works with Ukrainian oligarchs who are like the Nazi-collaborators from WW II.

"'Cash-For-Ballots' Fraud Uncovered In Ilhan Omar's Minnesota District: Veritas" ... this is why you don't do ballot harvesting.  Send all the incestuous Somalis back to Somalia!

"WHERE'S JOE BIDEN?" ... prep for the first debate, getting injections of adenochrome harvested from aborted babies and Epstein teen girl victims ;-)

"A CONFUSED JOE BIDEN CLAIMS HE ENTERED THE SENATE 180 YEARS AGO" ... yes, he actually is that old ;-(

"The ‘Trump Doctrine’ earns President third Nobel Peace Prize nomination" ... Obama doctrine = invade every ME country that The Shrub didn't invade

"Chicago postal workers threaten to stop delivering mail after multiple employees shot on the job" ... another example of Dem management

"Chinese State Media Outlet Throws Support Behind Black Lives Matter" ... Free Tibet and Xijiang
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on September 29, 2020, 11:21:41 PM
Just watched the first debate.  That was really...uhh...something.

For starters, Trump has a YUGE interruption problem.  Talked over Biden.  Talked over the moderator.  Couldn't behave himself at the table like an adult.  About halfway through, he was able to control himself somewhat again.

Second, I disliked how Biden allowed himself to get roped into talking about irrelevant stuff like Hunter or whatever bizarre lie Trump came up with (like the mysterious unnamed European country with fire-preventing raking - perhaps on the forest-moon of Endor).  You absolutely can't allow Trump to control the conversation, diverting it as it suits him.  Biden pulled his punches a lot and treated Trump as if he were a colleague and not a fraud.  He laughed off Trump and said that Trump has no idea what he's doing, which is fine I guess.  Clown and worst president we've ever had are much more accurate and well-earned labels, but those zingers were few and far between.  Trump also challenged Biden to say that he supports "law and order" - virtue words disguising a disgusting policy of violent protest-busting and secret police going on a campaign of brutality and abduction on citizens in direct defiance of the law.  I would have said as much.  Alas, Biden did not.  Bad tactics.

Biden did noticeably stumble on his words sometimes, though not any worse than the way most people do.  He didn't come across as losing his faculties, though a barrage of childish interruption got him to skip from 2 to 3 on a numbered list, which I'm sure you'll find on some whackjob site or new attack ad.  Biden at least came across as a reasonably intelligent and capable person with very moderate, workable solutions.  So that's good.

The first thing Trump attacked Biden on was say that Biden would "take away private insurance" with a public option.  He later apparently confused Biden's plan with Bernie's green new deal.  Such flattery!  I fervently wish it were so!

Biden came across a lot better on the pandemic and climate change.  I'm in full agreement with him there.  Trump said a lot of BS - essentially blaming China rather than taking any personal responsibility, assuming that Biden would have been worse and then claiming it's a certainty, and essentially giving himself laurels on behalf of his suspiciously unnamed adoring fans in the government.  He even blatantly lied and said that the public is generally supportive of his covid response, which is absolutely not true.  I will give him credit for saying exactly one true thing - these lockdowns have been very hard on people psychologically.  Though obviously, we wouldn't have to endure this hardship for this long if this crisis had been dealt with by capable leadership.  Plague rats and plague rat policy laid America low.  And the North remembers.

Trump's talk about ballots was very disturbing.  His default assumption that this election is illegitimate - even going as far to say that he'd make the Supreme Court "look in" on the election.  Ominous.  Darth Sidious vibes.

I am convinced that this guy is at war with American democracy.  Republican, Democrat, Independent - we all have to set our differences aside and work to preserve the Republic.  Biden probably isn't your first choice, definitely wasn't my first choice, but it's either him or this country burns while Nero golfs.  I know which one I prefer.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on September 30, 2020, 12:14:42 AM
Yep--orange guy was/is a bully.  He makes no bones about it.  He sees himself as the newest tyrant for life--he makes it clear that the election is invalid and he will remain Mr. President until he gives it to his precious (gollum) daughter.  The bully opens his mouth and more lies tumble out.  He has only one set of rules--his and what he deems is his at any given moment.  Biden may not be the best, but he was the only sane person on the stage tonight.  He also told his 'army' to 'stand down' but stand by.  White nationalists rejoice. 
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 30, 2020, 12:52:05 AM
These things aren't actually debates as I understand the term.  Presidential debates are more like Jerry Springer reality TV.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on September 30, 2020, 01:16:45 AM
These things aren't actually debates as I understand the term.  Presidential debates are more like Jerry Springer reality TV.
It's no Lincoln-Douglas, that's for sure.  I've seen more rational disputes on friggin' Facebook.  A big part of that is of course Trump but also the format has changed to soundbites and glittering generalities and thought-terminating cliches (it is what it is).  That's what gets rewarded, not knowledge or expertise or rational discourse.  Part of how we got into this mess in the first place.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 30, 2020, 02:09:16 AM
I think I recall these may have originally been sponsored by the League of Women Voters.  I may have confused this with the local debates in my small home town, but I remember them as being more constructive.  The format has changed to accommodate the deep emotional division between the parties.  This type of "debate" environment gives Trump a tremendous advantage.  If they had any inclination to control actual uninterrupted times when a candidate is given the floor, they should give the moderator a switch that could turn off either mike.  I think that would be fun to watch.  It would be like one of those vaudeville hooks they could drag a lousy comedian off the stage with.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 30, 2020, 03:08:53 AM
I think I heard someone say "wash it." Don't know what was so dirty, though, except Trump's whole life.

All the women who have accused Biden of assault should have been in the studio audience ;-)  Biden is a senile, criminal, traitor, rapist ;-)  I feel more sorry for the 1/2 of voters who will vote for such a sad candidate, than the other half who will vote for the obnoxious NYC guy (same as 2016 with the even more vile Hillary).

Even Jimmy Carter, once chased away in his boat by a ninja rabbit, is a better candidate than Biden.  Carter wasn't guilty of accessory to war crimes like Biden.  Nobody ever accused him of rape, or corruption from foreign officials/commercial interests.  He wasn't behind the assassination attempt on Reagan, that was a Bush operation.

"Media call for upcoming debates to be 'canceled,' urge Biden to back out after first brawl with Trump" ... two old men in a pillow fight.  One or both should have died on that stage (America wants a cage fight with blood).  One can hope that the Pence/Harris contest will be more like the Hamilton/Burr contest ;-)  Harris is the real candidate, Biden would resign a month after the inauguration.

"Trump vs Chris Wallace, while Biden listened to ear piece. It was Theatre by Biden Wallace and the DNC." ... and Biden says how proud he is of his son (and his 3.5 million dollar bribe from the Moscow madam) ... "If Joe Biden ‘remains lucid’ he’ll be declared the winner of first debate" ... He did, and so did Hillary.  Joe should offer the same drugs he is taking, free to all Americans!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 30, 2020, 09:03:01 AM
China, Russia, Iran and the virus won that debate. Even the stupidest, mildly racist redneck who is only capable of digesting guttural Fox news soundbites while pickling their liver with natty lites and paradoxically existing on Socialism Security and Federal Health Insurance Medicaid/care is a better human than the murderous Putin, the dystopian CCP or the theocratical Ayatollahs. However they are all threats to the human race because they care nothing of the 'fake' threat...the greenhouse effect. The suffering before it turns around will require a new adjective to describe. If you have young children, they and their children will grow to hate us.

We gotta pull together, somehow.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on September 30, 2020, 09:37:30 AM
The orange monster thrives on chaos.  Why would he change?  He turned the 'debates' into chaos, which is what he does to everything.  So there was no surprise to last night.  The only thing that can halt that approach is the ability of the moderator to hit a kill mike switch.  And that will not happen--orange would not come to such an event.  I think Biden did about as well as he could in mess he ended up in.  I would advise him not to do the other two.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 30, 2020, 09:56:38 AM
I think Biden did about as well as he could in mess he ended up in.  I would advise him not to do the other two.
Presidential debates have become more and more pointless over the years.  But refusing to debate, even in a pointless situation is a risky political strategy.  Such wisdom would be seen as cowardliness by many.  And the electorate, having grown up on reality TV, loves this kind of stuff.  Biden did a mediocre job defending against Trump's bullying, which was mostly about all Trump did, but I think (and I often think wrong) that Trump gained more from the debate than Biden.  My guess is that it wasn't a lot, but I'm pretty sure most of his core base was delighted.  It's what his base referrs to as "Telling it like it is."  It's not how accurate this cowboy is; It's how fast he shoots.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 30, 2020, 10:04:35 AM
But then there's this, which does not include an opinion from FOX News.

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Who helped his election chances? Most analysts thought Trump did not. An instant CBS poll showed that slightly more voters thought Biden the winner than Trump. Doug Rivers of the polling firm YouGov wrote: “Trump did badly with his base. 15% of his supporters thought it was a tie, compared to only 4% of Biden supporters. Only 49% of Trump supporters thought it made them think better of Trump.”
Rich Lowry, National Review: “The key takeaway is that Trump set out to make Biden crack, and it didn’t happen.”
Nate Cohn, who analyzes polls for The Times: “What a mess. There was no winner, certainly not the United States. And that makes Biden the winner. He’s the frontrunner. It’s Trump who needed the win, and I think most anyone would agree, as Chris Wallace said, that the president was largely responsible for the debate.”
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 30, 2020, 10:07:02 AM
Presidential debates have become more and more pointless over the years.  But refusing to debate, even in a pointless situation is a risky political strategy.  Such wisdom would be seen as cowardliness by many.  And the electorate, having grown up on reality TV, loves this kind of stuff.  Biden did a mediocre job defending against Trump's bullying, which was mostly about all Trump did, but I think (and I often think wrong) that Trump gained more from the debate than Biden.  My guess is that it wasn't a lot, but I'm pretty sure most of his core base was delighted.  It's what his base referrs to as "Telling it like it is."  It's not how accurate this cowboy is; It's how fast he shoots.
I am clueless as to who will gain additional votes, if any. The core voters are irrelevant. Who are the "sway-ables" at this point anyways?   
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 30, 2020, 10:07:28 AM
China, Russia, Iran and the virus won that debate. Even the stupidest, mildly racist redneck who is only capable of digesting guttural Fox news soundbites while pickling their liver with natty lites and paradoxically existing on Socialism Security and Federal Health Insurance Medicaid/care is a better human than the murderous Putin, the dystopian CCP or the theocratical Ayatollahs. However they are all threats to the human race because they care nothing of the 'fake' threat...the greenhouse effect. The suffering before it turns around will require a new adjective to describe. If you have young children, they and their children will grow to hate us.

We gotta pull together, somehow.

Good, I support all people, including Russia and China and Iran.  The US is a cancer on the world (because of the liberals).  We can stop global warming by killing all the Western consumers ... do your part today!  Will liberals (same as Puritans of yore, and Abolitionists) declare nuclear first strike on Russia, because Putin doesn't like gays?  Will they give China a pass, because they need the fentanyl?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 30, 2020, 10:10:21 AM
I am clueless as to who will gain additional votes, if any. The core voters are irrelevant. Who are the "sway-ables" at this point anyways? 

All the dead Democrats need to be swayed ;-)  Nothing has been real, before or after 1960.  The US is a lie, always has been treasonous and criminal.  Already most Republicans don't consider the Democrats to be a legal political party, or even Americans.  Independents (as I was until last year) consider both parties to be illegitimate criminal gangs.  R & D agreed, only when the pie of stolen goods is growing fast enough they can put off fighting for their piece.  The pie hasn't been growing since about 1973 (see difference between average worker and GDP starting then).  So the knives have come out, because there is no honor among thieves (ask Native Americans).

"The sad truth is that it doesn’t matter who wins the White House, because they all work for the same boss: Corporate America..." ... actually multinational corporations who are bending us to a Rollerball world.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on September 30, 2020, 11:21:19 AM
But then there's this, which does not include an opinion from FOX News.
I am torn.  I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would.  I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is.  I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again!  And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'.  Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on September 30, 2020, 12:56:41 PM
Who won?  Putin won. America lost, but at least it was entertaining, which is about the best we can expect from a con artist like Trump.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on September 30, 2020, 01:18:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/350jFqQ.jpg)

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Just minutes after his answer at the debate, members of the Proud Boys and similar groups celebrated his response, flooding their social media channels with comments like “Standing by, sir.”

“The comments by the president were a huge win for the Proud Boys, which we should remember is a group who views its mission as literally ‘fighting Antifa’ as part of its ’defense of the West,’” Megan Squire, a computer science professor at Elon University who tracks online extremism, tells TIME. “They’ve now been blessed by the President on the world stage and the data shows they are extremely excited by this.”

Squire adds that her software monitors about a dozen Proud Boys channels on Telegram, and saw them become “very energized” after Trump’s comments at the debate, posting a flood of messages and new memes. “They’re even debating whether to go ‘back to Portland,’ and how to proceed,” she says.
https://time.com/5894497/donald-trump-white-supremacists-debate/

Trump represents them, not you.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on September 30, 2020, 01:33:04 PM
Who won?  Putin won. America lost, but at least it was entertaining.
I watched half of it and turned it off in disgust.  I hoped Biden would do better, but I don't know who could have done better.  The whole thing was disgusting.  But Biden's comment that resonated with me the most was during the Coronavirus segment, when Trump said he didn't want to make a big deal about the virus because he didn't want people to panic.  I had been thinking about this for a long time.  Biden said, "People understand the danger.  They are not panicking.  YOU PANICKED!"  I wish he would have expanded on this.

Most of my peers are pretty diligent about wearing masks and distancing, and outside of Walmart, and Rural King, business have generally been fairly mindful also. But never have I met anyone of the group who was in a panic.  I repeat.  Never!  Not one person!   They just understand the consequences, and do what needs to be done.  This is the rational response.  If you have cancer, you go to the doctor and do what you need to do, knowing that treatment may or may not be successful.  You know the consequences.  You take appropriate steps, and do what you can do, unless you are a fool and are to scared to deal with it.

I think Trump did panic, not because he was certain to get sick, but because he didn't know what the fuck to do about the virus.  The issue for him was the election, and he knew it was dangerous for him, because he had no idea what to do.  Like a deer in the headlights, he froze, denied experts, defunded WHO, and blamed China.

"Didn't want people to panic?"  Yeah right.  Give me a break.  He doesn't care about people panicking or rioting or fighting or people in distress.  He loves that shit, but he hates the idea of not getting to control everything.  The virus won that round.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on September 30, 2020, 01:53:45 PM
The not-panic stance rings hollow considering how zealously he's fearmongered about "socialists" and Muslims and Mexicans and BLM and even Greta Thunberg, of all people.  This is the kind of guy who claims that vaccines cause autism (be scared!  be very scared!) but blocked the life-saving mask delivery because he thinks it'd freak people out.  What a crock.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on September 30, 2020, 04:23:23 PM
The not-panic stance rings hollow considering how zealously he's fearmongered about "socialists" and Muslims and Mexicans and BLM and even Greta Thunberg, of all people.  This is the kind of guy who claims that vaccines cause autism (be scared!  be very scared!) but blocked the life-saving mask delivery because he thinks it'd freak people out.  What a crock.
There are super-computers aimed at our brains exploiting every weakness. We are constantly fed recommendations from special interest operated AI. All based on our personal internet history of record. A positive reinforcement feedback system that just cycles out of control for those who will easily believe. Hard times for many who are drinking from a fire hose of misinformation.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 30, 2020, 04:34:13 PM
Who won?  Putin won. America lost, but at least it was entertaining, which is about the best we can expect from a con artist like Trump.

Putin is a god, all bow to the divine Putin.  (Emperor Shi is jealous of your false idolatry ... Emperor Shi is a god).  I would definitely vote for Putin, rather than any of the traitors running now.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 30, 2020, 04:35:45 PM
I am torn.  I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would.  I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is.  I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again!  And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'.  Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.

That requires Biden to imitate Reagan "Where's the beef?" .. could the Bernie-bots explode if Biden does that?

I am hoping for a civil war (which started in 2016) anyway.  We need a culling of the deplorables ;-)

"Trump was having to fight the TAG TEAM of the so-called MODERATOR AND "Dunning-Kruger Joe" AT THE SAME TIME!" ... Tucker Carlson would be better than Chris Wallace, but Joe Rogan would be best ;-))

"Calls For Joe Rogan To Moderate Next Debate Intensify After Chris Wallace's Disastrous Performance" .. nah, tie Biden's hand to Trump's hand with a scarf, put a knife in the opposite hands of each contestant, and let the knife fight begin!  That would be Dominican NYC style?  A real "West Side Story".

"Nearly 18,000 Ballots Rejected In Massachusetts Primary Election" ... oops!

"Kyle Rittenhouse To Sue Biden Over 'White Supremacists' Campaign Ad" ... have lawyer and Kyle take every penny of the Biden family
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 30, 2020, 04:38:39 PM
The not-panic stance rings hollow considering how zealously he's fearmongered about "socialists" and Muslims and Mexicans and BLM and even Greta Thunberg, of all people.  This is the kind of guy who claims that vaccines cause autism (be scared!  be very scared!) but blocked the life-saving mask delivery because he thinks it'd freak people out.  What a crock.

Non-panic would be to keep the Chinese travelers out of the US, as of Jan 1, not Jan 31 ... and not tell the deplorable why you are doing it.  You folks are still singing the CCP anthem?

We had plenty of N95 masks before Swine Flu, and the Obama admin depleted that for the Swine Flu but never replenished.  Of course the Trump admin should have noticed that, and replenished.  So I blame both incompetents.  I don't recall Biden suggesting 3 years ago to replenish the N95 masks, do you?  So he is just another incompetent.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on September 30, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
There are super-computers aimed at our brains exploiting every weakness. We are constantly fed recommendations from special interest operated AI. All based on our personal internet history of record. A positive reinforcement feedback system that just cycles out of control for those who will easily believe. Hard times for many who are drinking from a fire hose of misinformation.

"You can't handle the truth!"

Everything since 1775 is BS.  America, get over your drunk diseased selves.
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"Philadelphia voting machine controls stolen from city warehouse: reports" ... doesn't matter who votes for who, it matters who counts the votes - Stalin

"Colorado tests new program to fix ballot issues by phone" .. your old phone will vote many times

"House Democrats’ stimulus bill includes stimulus checks for illegal immigrants, protections from deportations" ... Bloomberg should offer them a new car if they each vote 10 times

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 01, 2020, 08:12:16 AM
Post debate polling shows that a majority of voters still see Biden in the lead.  I suspect this is just the inertia of pubic sentiment from previous polls.   I had thought this may have been a turning point for Trump, given that he successfully bullied Biden and Chris Wallace throughout the debate.  I'm also hearing most voters polled did not approve of Trump's tactics or the debate itself, which happily surprised me even more than people believing Biden "won" the debate.  Even the debate commission, or whatever the thing is called, promised changes in format, but stopped short of including mike cut off switches for the moderator.  Personally, I would make dead mikes automatic during the opponents 2 minute times, even if Trump wasn't part of it.  At any rate these shameful media circuses should end.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 01, 2020, 08:13:54 AM
Does anyone sense a deterioration in Trump's mental state during the last two years?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2020, 08:22:49 AM
Post debate polling shows that a majority of voters still see Biden in the lead.  I suspect this is just the inertia of pubic sentiment from previous polls.   I had thought this may have been a turning point for Trump, given that he successfully bullied Biden and Chris Wallace throughout the debate.  I'm also hearing most voters polled did not approve of Trump's tactics or the debate itself, which happily surprised me even more than people believing Biden "won" the debate.  Even the debate commission, or whatever the thing is called, promised changes in format, but stopped short of including mike cut off switches for the moderator.  Personally, I would make dead mikes automatic during the opponents 2 minute times, even if Trump wasn't part of it.  At any rate these shameful media circuses should end.

Yes, free Assange, shoot all the MSM zombie reporters.  Assange would do an even better moderator job than Joe Rogan

Boisterous truth teller vs drugged senile liar (wired too)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2020, 08:23:59 AM
Does anyone sense a deterioration in Trump's mental state during the last two years?

He dies his hair.  Every President that doesn't use Grecian Formula .. ends up aging 20 years in 4 years.  The job sucks.  And anyone wanting the job is proof they are morons.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 01, 2020, 09:55:38 AM
I am torn.  I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would.  I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is.  I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again!  And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'.  Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2020, 10:00:20 AM
There should be bloodshed.  It is the way (Mandalorian and US).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 01, 2020, 10:02:58 AM
I am torn.  I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would.  I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is.  I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again!  And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'.  Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.
I don't often quote myself, but I have changed my mind.  Biden needs to do the last two 'debates'.  He needs to drill down, and drill down hard, on the orange monster's support for white nationalist organizations.  And that he intends to use violence to control or negate the election process.  Don't stop until orange makes his view very, very clear.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2020, 10:05:06 AM
I don't often quote myself, but I have changed my mind.  Biden needs to do the last two 'debates'.  He needs to drill down, and drill down hard, on the orange monster's support for white nationalist organizations.  And that he intends to use violence to control or negate the election process.  Don't stop until orange makes his view very, very clear.

Just Nazis under your bed, or is it Trump?  You love BLM don't you?  Gotten a fake Afro yet?

"Random Journalist Enters Unguarded Philly Warehouse Where 'Memory Stick' Voting Machines Stored" ... organized criminal gang = Dems
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 02, 2020, 11:58:47 AM
"TRUMP AND MELANIA TEST POSITIVE FOR COVID19, LEFTISTS GO NUTS PUSHING INSANE THEORIES HE'S FAKING .." ... you can't make valid predictions.  Everyone supposed that Biden would get Covid even before the first debate.  Trump should now decline the remaining debates, unless he can go and cough on Biden ;-).  The real debate is Pence vs Harris.  Watch that one!  It is Pence and Harris who are running for President, not the two old men.  Of course both Pence and Harris are CIA.

"THE BIZARRE ALTERNATE REALITY OF BIDEN VOTERS"  = today "The bizarre alternate reality of McGovern voters" = yesterday
---

"New York Times slammed for suggesting Trump might not remain on ballot after coronavirus diagnosis" ... NYT is a shithole since they employed Karl Marx, burn it down?

"Biden weighs in after Trump heads to the hospital: ‘This cannot be a partisan moment’" ... we must all unite as Marxists in black face.

"Biden launches ads touting his faith after cardinal says he's 'not a Catholic in good standing'" .. over abortion.  But Marxist Pope will give him special absolution for a large contribution to the Vatican bank
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on October 02, 2020, 09:40:36 PM
I was mightily unimpressed by the first debate.  I think both of them performed up to their supporters' expectations but no better.  They both did just well enough so that their supporters can say their candidate won and the other lost.  I don't think anyone gained ground or lost ground, it mostly convinced the already convinced.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 02, 2020, 09:42:07 PM
I was mightily unimpressed by the first debate.  I think both of them performed up to their supporters' expectations but no better.  They both did just well enough so that their supporters can say their candidate won and the other lost.  I don't think anyone gained ground or lost ground, it mostly convinced the already convinced.

I could see the wires (for the two marionettes) that led back to their CIA handlers.  Chris Wallace's hand was up Biden's ass, prostate exam?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 03, 2020, 08:03:22 PM
You're so full of shit you need someone's hand up your butt to scoop it out. I'm not volunteering...



;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 03, 2020, 08:07:50 PM
You're so full of shit you need someone's hand up your butt to scoop it out. I'm not volunteering...



;-)

Yes, you would like to be a prostate doctor then ... ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2020, 08:14:22 PM
There's going to be a Vice-Presidential debate tonight.

And it's going to have a plexiglass barrier between the candidates because the current VP is head of the coronavirus task force and might have covid through his boss, who recently hosted a largely maskless super-spreader event and now this virus is running rampant through his administration, which apparently wasn't competent enough to take even basic anti-virus precautions like masks and social distancing.  (some, I assume, wash their hands)

4 more years of this okay with everyone?

Don't care for politicians in general.  But at least now, the real candidates are debating, Harris in particular is the real D-Pres-Candidate.

"CA Officials Topple Giant 'TRUMP' Sign Overlooking 405 Freeway, Citing 'Life And Safety Hazard'" ... Cali, state of beach babes, MJ and LARPing

"Instagram Bans QAnon Accounts, But Refuses To Remove ISIS Accounts Celebrating 9/11" .. ISIS supported by Dems

"MAIL IN VOTING BACKFIRES, DEMOCRATS JUMP SHIP IN PANIC AS MAIL VOTES GET REJECTED IN LARGE NUMBERS" .. could have been done legitimately and efficiently with sufficient preparation, copying successful states, and not being a douche bag
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: fencerider on October 07, 2020, 08:41:48 PM
"MAIL IN VOTING BACKFIRES, DEMOCRATS JUMP SHIP IN PANIC AS MAIL VOTES GET REJECTED IN LARGE NUMBERS" .. could have been done legitimately and efficiently with sufficient preparation, copying successful states, and not being a douche bag
CA already had a vote-by-mail system in place. But this year they decided it wasn't good enough and they updated it. Maybe it works and maybe it doesn't
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: fencerider on October 07, 2020, 09:01:10 PM
The three things that stand out the most about the debate between the Orange Jester and the Geezer are:

Trump says "Well Boys stand back and stand by" like he is some kind of KKK Grand Master.

Trump denying global warming talking about CDF; as if he does a better job of running the WH; as if raking the ground would solve the problem. Ohhhkayyy- the Artic Circle is supposed to be frozen. It's supposed to be colder than the inside of your freezer, but there are massive fires in the Artic that make the Bobcat Fire look like somebody taking a smoke break.

Trump scores a big point against Biden. Trump accused Biden of leaving court seats empty. Bingo. The only reason that the temporary President of the Senate Mitch McC could put people in the courts is because the real President of the Senate Joe Biden was AWOL. absolutely nothing McC could do that was not legally the responsibility of Biden. The democrats shouldn't have even allowed Biden to be a candidate. That fn traitor Biden gave away 1/8 of the federal court seats to the Republicans.

Both Trump and Biden should be in prison for diff reasons.
Biden: dereliction of duty, felony violation of the 6th ammendment (and McC as well)
Trump: too many for my currently lazy fingers
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 07, 2020, 09:28:48 PM
Pence has been saying that he "trusts the American people" like he gets paid for every time he says it.  Didn't trust them enough to be honest with them about the nature of this disease or to fight King Orange on his "just the flu bro" policy and "open 'er up and let 'em die" policy.

Pence has said they're rushing to get a vaccine out which certainly sounds good, but it's strange that they weren't gung ho about getting people to wear masks in the interim, even going as so far as blocking mask delivery to vulnerable Americans.  Do they want to protect people or not?  Why don't the words and actions match up?

And now he's deflecting to swine flu.  When you just crapped the bed, it doesn't make you look any better by saying the other guy wet his bed years ago.  He said the stockpiles were empty (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/08/donald-trump/trump-said-obama-admin-left-him-bare-stockpile-wro/), which is patently a lie.

Now that I know for a fact that there's a liar in the room, what chance does he have to persuade me or any other sensible American?

And if Pence was so focused on keeping America well prepared for a pandemic did he object when Trump fired the pandemic team?  Pence's narrative is not adding up.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 07, 2020, 09:44:16 PM
And now Pence is Wormtonguing it up, claiming that Biden is going to raise taxes (not unless you're making >$400,000/year), ban fracking (I wish), supports the Green New Deal (this is true only in my wildest dreams), and abolish fossil fuels (not true (https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/misleading-ad-targets-biden-on-fossil-fuels-fracking/), but that's a good idea!)

And the final nail in the coffin was Pence saying that Trump is some great conservationist after crippling the EPA and rolling back a ton of environmental regulations (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html) (including making drastic changes to a key environmental legislation (https://www.npr.org/2020/07/15/891190100/trump-overhauls-key-environmental-law-to-speed-up-pipelines-and-other-projects))

So now I know for a fact that Pence is a complete liar.  No one trust a liar.  No one believes a liar.  And so help me, this liar just lost the election with his lies.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 07, 2020, 10:05:57 PM
I will say this though: both candidates here seem like reasonably-intelligent politicians (lying notwithstanding).  They can even have a real debate by (sometimes reluctantly) giving up the floor and letting someone else talk.

In fact, I'd go so far to say that if all I knew about these candidates was these two debates, I'd assume that Pence was the Presidential candidate and Trump the VP pick.  Same with Harris and Biden.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 07, 2020, 10:56:53 PM
CA already had a vote-by-mail system in place. But this year they decided it wasn't good enough and they updated it. Maybe it works and maybe it doesn't

Always fix it if it ain't broke, especially if my cousin is the sole bidder ;-))

Quick summary ...

Pence is the opposite of Trump, and a threat for 2024
Harris is a CCP stooge same as the Biden family, not a threat for 2020 or 2024

2016 ... Repubs had nobody better than Donald, a known Democrat.  Dems had nobody better than Hillary, a known Republican.
2020 ... Donald is incumbent, so no surprise there.  Dems had nobody better than Joe, a doddering old fool and crook

Analysis .. DNC and RNC are a liability.  Fire all of them.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 08, 2020, 02:07:38 AM
And before I forget, Pence said that Biden would ban fossil fuels (*clutches pearls*) shortly before praising Trump as some great conservationist.  Did he forget that fossil fuels are a pollutant?

It just seems bizarre to scowl at environmentalism in your opponent and then praise it in your ally.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on October 08, 2020, 09:50:11 AM
Flies always find the bullshit Christians, LOL. This guy creeps me out. Thanks to Seth Andrews.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjzqIV-WkAE_xrq?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ejzpl6iWoAAjV1P?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 08, 2020, 09:54:28 AM
Quote
“I’m not going to waste my time on a virtual debate, that’s not what debating is all about,” Mr. Trump told the anchor Maria Bartiromo during a Fox Business television interview. “You sit behind a computer and do a debate — it’s ridiculous.”
He only wants to debate if he can be within coughing distance of Biden, and those plexiglass shields don't exactly inspire confidence.  2020 will be remembered for Trump going off the rails and the fly on Pence's head.  I didn't watch the debate last night. The campaign is getting silly.  It's hard to take it seriously.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on October 08, 2020, 10:20:16 AM
He only wants to debate if he can be within coughing distance of Biden, and those plexiglass shields don't exactly inspire confidence.
Translation: Trump is a fucking coward, which almost all bullies are.

Also, he desperately needs to not debate because of the damage he does himself.  He's trying to get out of the debates any way he can.  He's apparently decided looking like a coward and a petulant child is less damaging than trying to explain himself in public.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 08, 2020, 11:46:46 AM
And before I forget, Pence said that Biden would ban fossil fuels (*clutches pearls*) shortly before praising Trump as some great conservationist.  Did he forget that fossil fuels are a pollutant?

It just seems bizarre to scowl at environmentalism in your opponent and then praise it in your ally.

Part of Agenda 21 from the UN (controlled by China).  Western countries to be reduced to nature preserves for Chinese tourism.  Only electric buggies allowed.  Of course this environmental care won't apply to China.  Guided safari hunting of feral Americans at additional charge.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 08, 2020, 11:49:09 AM
Translation: Trump is a fucking coward, which almost all bullies are.

Also, he desperately needs to not debate because of the damage he does himself.  He's trying to get out of the debates any way he can.  He's apparently decided looking like a coward and a petulant child is less damaging than trying to explain himself in public.

It was a gambit, to make Biden look weak compared to the God Emperor.  And he does look weak, for many reasons.  If Trump wasn't a coward he would strangle Biden on stage, as a mercy killing?

“Senator, your party has spent the last three and a half years trying to overturn the results of the last election...” - VP Pence to VP Candidate Harris
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on October 08, 2020, 12:50:04 PM
Well.  Remember the Oval Orifice's "LIBERATE MICHIGAN! (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1251169217531056130)" tweet?

Words have consequences, you racist, sexist fuck (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/six-men-charged-alleged-plot-kidnap-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-n1242622).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 08, 2020, 12:56:47 PM
"Pence = Race Bannon from Jonny Quest" .. especially the B&W classic version I watched in 1961.  Back then racism was OK.

"Kamala Harris is the black slave owner the Democrats want." ... 50% Indian, 47% White slave owners, 3% Jamaican Black slave.  A ringer, like Obama.

"Pelosi questions Trump's health, says ‘we’re going to be talking about the 25th Amendment’" ... because Trump has Covid.  How about impeach Pelosi?

"Mysterious sound distracts Harris-Biden debate viewers" ... candidates should take Gas-X and potty before the debate ;-)

"Lakers' LeBron James takes aim at Mike Pence using viral fly debate moment" .. not successful if fly was star of the debate

"Undecided voters found Harris 'abrasive, condescending' in vice presidential debate" .. least popular Dem primary candidate chosen as VP candidate, a winner?

"June 2019 - Kamala Harris, "Joe Biden is a racist that supports segregationist.  He (Joe) is not fit to be President."
August 2020 - Kamala Harris, "Joe Biden is a good man that will do great things for minorities and all Americans!"" ... DNC is a joke

"When the mail in votes are counted, 110% of the people will have voted for Biden." .. Dems in general, Biden in particular flunked maths
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 08, 2020, 02:53:12 PM
Latest polls:

59% say Harris performed better than Pence in last night's debate (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/520162-poll-majority-believe-harris-won-vp-debate-against-pence)

Biden has about a 10-point lead over Trump (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/bidens-polling-lead-over-trump-grows-since-debate-covid-19-diagnosis.html) (about double what clinton had at this point (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/trump-vs-biden-national-polls-2020-vs-2016/))

538 gives Biden a 85% chance of winning (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/), up from 71% in August (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/511666-fivethirtyeight-model-biden-has-71-percent-chance-of-winning-the-white)

(https://preview.redd.it/i39aov8gjvr51.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=b4ebdf9ffba38c475433fbc4aa29934d32580c38)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 08, 2020, 07:29:19 PM
“If Democrats are willing to cause such destruction in the pursuit of POWER, just imagine what they’ll do if they obtain it” … President Trump

Dems are all on illegal drugs since 1965.

"PORTLAND DA DROPS HUNDREDS OF ANTIFA RIOT CHARGES WHILE NYC TARGETS JEWISH PEOPLE" ... impeach every Dem office holder

"TRUMP SLAMS OBAMA AND BIDEN, DEMANDS THEY BE INDICTED IMMEDIATELY BY BILL BARR" .. a CIA psyop?  A President doesn't have this power.  The drug cocktail the doctors gave him, it is said, gives one delusions.  CIA planned this?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: PickelledEggs on October 08, 2020, 07:44:13 PM
It's times like these that I'm glad my mind has Baruch on ignore.

Didn't read what he wrote and don't care, because I can guarantee it's stupid, whatever it is.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on October 08, 2020, 08:04:35 PM
The VP debate was a lot better than the Presidential debate.  Of course it had its flaws, which is why everyone agrees with "my candidate won while the other candidate dodged the questions."
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 08, 2020, 08:37:31 PM
I think they both gave their respective bases what they wanted. I was a bit surprised the Pence did so much bullying, but only a bit. I doubt any votes were changed as a result. Now we just have to wait and see if there is another presidential debate.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 09, 2020, 10:49:21 AM
"Yuan Surges Most In 15 Years On Expectations Of Pro-China Pivot By "President Biden"" .. free Fentanyl for everyone, weee.  No foreign interference at all ;-)

"Durham Report Won't Be Ready By Election: AG Barr" .. probably better, because of optics.  Supposedly neither Biden nor Obama were under investigation ;-)

"CA-Based Media Outlet Posts False Story About Pence Testing Positive For COVID-19" .. anyone with Covid is disqualified for political office, Nancy Pelosi becomes first woman President ... wee!

"DEMOCRATS ANNOUNCE PLAN TO REMOVE PRESIDENT BUT NOT TRUMP, PELOSI SETTING STAGE TO REMOVE BIDEN" .. if Trump wins, he gets removed medically.  If Biden wins, he gets removed medically.  This is a way for a non-Black woman who lost all Dem primaries, to become President.  Bwahaha.

"Biden is a trojan candidate." ... Believe Her

"They are rigging election with Soviet efficiency." ... people old enough to remember the Soviet Union
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 09, 2020, 09:10:35 PM
I hear they're going to have another boat parade for Trump, but I have a sinking feeling about that idea...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on October 10, 2020, 08:49:02 AM
I had a scary thought. I need to forget about the news for now.

 One probable scenario for the upcoming election IMHO: many Trump voters will physically go to the polls and it may initially seem more like a Trump victory on election night. Then as the mail-in votes slowly get counted it will shift to Biden over the next few days. If Trump cries foul and calls out (implied or directly) the tiny minority of armed goons, there may be violence. How, where and when, I do not know.

 These fake 'militia' seem inept, mostly gun guys who rub on their AR15s late at night. However there is a slight chance they trigger a reaction from some moderates if these 'militias' manage to get themselves killed.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 10, 2020, 08:51:46 AM
Thinking about what I'm reading lately, and all the information I've gotten from the past is that Republicans get money from big donors and Democrats get money from the riff raff.  Of course the riff raff (god love us) doesn't have much money.  I've heard about several Trump donors, or maybe it's just a few donors several times that fork over 100 million at a time.

But during the last couple of weeks, Biden is spending 40 mil a week to Trumps 20 mil.  If the common knowledge (not necessarily accurate knowledge) holds, then it seems like Trump should be outspending Biden by millions each week, especially when he's running behind, but he's not spending, almost like he's blown his nest egg.  Is he holding back until the last couple of weeks?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2020, 09:32:13 AM
I hear they're going to have another boat parade for Trump, but I have a sinking feeling about that idea...

Some folks last time forgot to put the plug in the bottom of their boat ;-(
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2020, 09:33:30 AM
I had a scary thought. I need to forget about the news for now.

 One probable scenario for the upcoming election IMHO: many Trump voters will physically go to the polls and it may initially seem more like a Trump victory on election night. Then as the mail-in votes slowly get counted it will shift to Biden over the next few days. If Trump cries foul and calls out (implied or directly) the tiny minority of armed goons, there may be violence. How, where and when, I do not know.

 These fake 'militia' seem inept, mostly gun guys who rub on their AR15s late at night. However there is a slight chance they trigger a reaction from some moderates if these 'militias' manage to get themselves killed.


You have figured out the Illuminati plan ... better not only avoid politics, but fly to your private Caribbean Fantasy Island like the other millionaires ;-)

"RICH PEOPLE PANIC AND START BUYING UP PRIVATE ISLANDS EN MASSE, WHAT DO THEY KNOW THAT WE DON'T??" .. millionaires establishing their own CHAZ.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2020, 09:34:49 AM
Thinking about what I'm reading lately, and all the information I've gotten from the past is that Republicans get money from big donors and Democrats get money from the riff raff.  Of course the riff raff (god love us) doesn't have much money.  I've heard about several Trump donors, or maybe it's just a few donors several times that fork over 100 million at a time.

But during the last couple of weeks, Biden is spending 40 mil a week to Trumps 20 mil.  If the common knowledge (not necessarily accurate knowledge) holds, then it seems like Trump should be outspending Biden by millions each week, especially when he's running behind, but he's not spending, almost like he's blown his nest egg.  Is he holding back until the last couple of weeks?

Corporations being blackmailed by BLM.  When we win, if you don't donate now, you will be the first against the wall!  Also multinational corporations support the CCP.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 10, 2020, 09:38:38 AM
I had a scary thought. I need to forget about the news for now.

One probable scenario for the upcoming election IMHO: many Trump voters will physically go to the polls and it may initially seem more like a Trump victory on election night. Then as the mail-in votes slowly get counted it will shift to Biden over the next few days.
I don't think this happens that often.  I can't remember in my lifetime, when the winner of the election wasn't declared that evening.  They always mention that there are still mail in ballots to be counted, but they never seemed to matter.  Now they talk about mail in ballot's like they actually make a difference.  Maybe mail in voting has only been kind of a norm in recent years.  It's been only recently that I'm starting to hear friends say they've been voting by mail for years, but since they never said that before, I'm thinking, "Really?"

If Trump cries foul and calls out (implied or directly) the tiny minority of armed goons, there may be violence. How, where and when, I do not know.


The first time I heard about this was a couple of years ago when some crazy preacher said that if Trump loses the next election, there will be rioting and shootout's in the street.  Now, it's been like a rallying cry, but I think it's just hype.  It's wishful thinking, and no doubt some right wingers would love it, but I don't think it's seriously caught on yet.  Given time, hate speech can turn into actions, but I don't think we are there yet.

These fake 'militia' seem inept, mostly gun guys who rub on their AR15s late at night. However there is a slight chance they trigger a reaction from some moderates if these 'militias' manage to get themselves killed.
They are like little kids playing "Army."  They ARE inept, but bold, and they can do a lot of damage.  Mostly their effect will be to intimidate.  They are terrorists.  Their purpose is to intimidate and wear down opposition, and attract other nut jobs to the cause.  I'm thinking starting a bloody revolution is a long shot.  They don't really have a plan for what comes after a revolution, but few revolutions do.  It just leads to anarchy, followed by a power vacuum, and then some self seeking dictator that surfaces.  Mostly these guys will get run over and squashed when the tanks show up.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2020, 11:42:22 AM
"Donald Trump undertakes medical evaluation in post-COVID-19 interview" .. he is now Covid drug free.  I want every Dem officeholder to be checked daily in public to see if they are drug free ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 10, 2020, 01:12:56 PM
"Kamala Harris was so disrespectful, so unlikeable. Unlike our guys."

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=631667860849705
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 10, 2020, 01:22:23 PM
"Kamala Harris was so disrespectful, so unlikeable. Unlike our guys."
Republicans are just bigger versions of grade school kids.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2020, 01:39:37 PM
"Kamala Harris was so disrespectful, so unlikeable. Unlike our guys."

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=631667860849705

Non-Black super fly?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2020, 01:40:17 PM
Republicans are just bigger versions of grade school kids.

Dems are just bigger versions of infants (Biden is Ukrainian sugar daddy)

"SECOND TRUMP BIDEN DEBATE CANCELED, ITS ALL RIGGED AS 3RD MODERATOR TRIES HIDING HER PAST TWEETS" ... Comet Pizza is her favorite place to lunch
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 10, 2020, 03:19:21 PM
Thinking about what I'm reading lately, and all the information I've gotten from the past is that Republicans get money from big donors and Democrats get money from the riff raff.  Of course the riff raff (god love us) doesn't have much money.  I've heard about several Trump donors, or maybe it's just a few donors several times that fork over 100 million at a time.
That's something that seems true, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/joe-biden/candidate?id=N00001669

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864

https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/bernie-sanders/candidate?id=N00000528 (famous for his small-donations campaign, posted for contrast - note the relative lack of "outside groups")

Of course, this leaves out dark money, which is by definition unreported political spending, so your guess is as good as mine.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 10, 2020, 03:27:34 PM
And speaking of fundraising (https://www.npr.org/2020/09/21/915301313/biden-enters-campaigns-final-stretch-with-cash-advantage-over-trump):

At the beginning September (bear in mind this isn't super recent news, October's numbers haven't been officially posted yet afaik), the Biden campaign reported $466 million cash on hand compared to Trump's $325 million.

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His [Trump's] campaign and the Republican National Committee spent almost all the money they took in during August, though they were still outspent by Biden's campaign and the Democratic National Committee, according to the filings.

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On television advertisements, Biden outspent Trump nearly 4 to 1 in August, according to the tracking firm Ad Analytics.

Trump's campaign bought no ads on local TV in Pennsylvania, Michigan and New Hampshire, and was outspent by Biden significantly in Florida, North Carolina and Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 10, 2020, 03:32:19 PM
There isn't really much of a Trump campaign, I think, because the GOP is expecting to successfully steal the election, so why spend all that money now. They're only going through the motions so it won't t be so obvious that they're going to reinstall Trump no matter what it takes.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
There isn't really much of a Trump campaign, I think, because the GOP is expecting to successfully steal the election, so why spend all that money now. They're only going through the motions so it won't t be so obvious that they're going to reinstall Trump no matter what it takes.

All Dems are poor pacifists like Gandhi?  Goldman-Sachs wins every election.

"Now Biden Says Filling Ginsburg Seat 'Not Constitutional' - And Americans Don't 'Deserve To Know' If He'll Pack Court" ... all hail Emperor Biden!  So what kind of drugs are they giving him??
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on October 10, 2020, 06:38:20 PM
Fox News is calling for Biden to put country ahead of party.

They didn't even try to get T.rump to do the same.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2020, 07:31:32 PM
Fox News is calling for Biden to put country ahead of party.

They didn't even try to get T.rump to do the same.

Actually putting country ahead of party, would require outlawing both major parties, jailing all their leaders (see George Washington Farewell Address).  Do you really want that?  Or are you just a shill for your favorite party?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 11, 2020, 12:57:50 AM
Fox News is calling for Biden to put country ahead of party.

They didn't even try to get T.rump to do the same.

That's because they're shameless hypocrites who don't play by the same rules. When a Conservative Supreme Court justice died in Obama's last year in office, he didn't nominate a Democrat, because he knew the Republicans would be concerned about the court actually leaning to the Left the way they always liked to claim that it already was. Instead, Obama nominated a moderate, who didn't lean heavily in either direction. Because Democrats are willing to compromise. Now, for Fox News to tell Biden to put "country ahead of party," that's a complete joke. Biden was the most tame Democrat we had to choose from. He was chosen because he was safe and nonthreatening, not because he has these grand ideas about how he's going to fix things. They expect us to believe that Biden is a Socialist, that he's going to abolish the police and abolish the prisons? Please.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 11, 2020, 10:15:52 AM
"'Non-Partisan' Chairman Of Presidential Debate Commission Linked To Steele Dossier & More..." ... so called debates all being run from Hillary's Fuhrer bunker

"White House Doctor Says Trump No Longer At Risk Of Transmitting The Coronavirus" ... still capable of acting like an idiot ;-)

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 11, 2020, 12:42:58 PM
They expect us to believe that Biden is a Socialist, that he's going to abolish the police and abolish the prisons? Please.
I've wondered about this.  Are they so out of touch that they don't realize Biden is actually a moderate?  Maybe, maybe not.

Seems like a terrible strategy, to parade one's cluelessness.  But then I remembered their audience.  These people have commies under their beds, socialists in the closet, and "social marxists" in the cupboard.  Of course they're dumb enough to fall for this kind of stuff.

And this big-brained strategy may have a secondary goal - to try to drive a wedge between moderate Dems and leftists.  Every time the Biden camp denies that they'd back a Green New Deal or ban fracking, it presumably upsets the Bernie wing that actually wants those things and sows division in the Democratic Party's big tent.

If that's what they're stealthily going for, they're in for a rude awakening - the Sanders camp has already fallen in love and then fallen in line in the aftermath of the bitter primary season.  We understand what's at stake this election and the vast majority support Biden out of sheer pragmatic reasons (to say nothing of Sanders actively campaigning for Biden and finding some policy common ground)

Meanwhile, Trump has all but declared war on American voting rights, providing the Dems exactly the sort of common threat that they needed to solidify and even expand their coalition.  Whatever votes he hoped to peel away from the Dems are more than counteracted by the desperate alliances he helped form.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 11, 2020, 01:09:21 PM
538 is now giving Biden an 86% chance to win (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/).

And according to the state-by-state breakdown, Trump would have to win every state that leans his direction plus all the states where he's currently trailing by about 5% to win the election.

Trump would have to win:
Texas (51.1% Trump, 47.9% Biden)
Iowa (49.8% Trump, 48.9% Biden)
Georgia (49.9% Trump, 49.3% Biden)
Ohio (49.7% Biden, 49.3% Trump)
NC (50.6% Biden, 48.6% Trump)
Arizona (50.8% Biden, 47.9% Trump)
Florida (51.4% Biden, 47.8% Trump)
Wisconsin (52.8% Biden, 46.3% Trump)

It's unclear how he expects to win Ohio and Iowa after recently suspending all ad spending there.  Talking over his opponent is one of Trump's key strengths - letting Biden take the floor in the crucial month before the election is a hell of a risky strategy, but I guess that's what you have to do when you're in debt.

Meanwhile, Biden is surging his ads in Ohio, Iowa, Texas, and Georgia.  He gets to control the narrative in the first two, and really lean into Trump's shaky support in the last two.  Texas may be a long shot, but Georgia is a much closer race.  Losing that would be so embarrassing for Trump and the RNC.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 11, 2020, 01:55:09 PM
Biden has a 120% chance of winning because senile people are bad at arithmetic, but goes well with socialist, who also are bad at arithmetic ;-)

"Taliban Slams CBS 'Fake News', Refutes Claim They Endorse Trump" ... Trump killed ISIS leader.  Tried to make peace with Taliban (but Dems are war party) ... CIA runs opium production in Afghanistan, Taliban oppose drugs

"Putin Trolls Biden: Communists & Dems Share 'Common Values' While Trump Record Hard On Russia" ... Russia provided the false data on Trump to Steele so he could give it to Hillary.  Putin supported Hillary in 2016.  BLM is Marxist, and BLM supports the Dems so ... duh!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 12, 2020, 09:37:40 AM
"LATINOS FOR TRUMP LAUNCH MASSIVE ANTI-COMMUNIST CAR PARADE PROVING FLORIDA IS GOING TRUMP" .. they love communism

"SO MANY BIDEN FANS THINK HE LEGALIZED GAY MARRIAGE LOL" .. ignorance on the Dem plantation.  Like Al Gore invented the Internet.

"In Latest Teleblooper, Biden Calls For $15,000,000 Minimum Wage" ... "Sleepy Joe Biden had a particularly bad day today. He couldn’t remember the name of Mitt Romney, said again he was running for the U.S. Senate, and forgot what State he was in." ... in denial, insane, deceitful
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 13, 2020, 10:40:43 AM
“As Trump tilts his ‘great’ COVID drugs, the Pharma cash flows to Biden, not him” ... Big Pharma is one of the most malevolent forces on Earth

"Trump: "I Was Right About Damaging Lockdowns"" ... per new WHO guidance.  Proof that Trump is a Chinese agent

"Kanye West Asks Voters To Write In His Name For President With First Campaign Ad" ... If I were voting, I would vote for Kanye, the only real Black person in the Presidential election

""Hillary Auditions For SecDef In Sprawling Pro-Biden Op-Ed Admitting Massive Defense Jobs Cuts Plan"" ... she can hold there, while waiting the nod for VP from President Harris ... leading to President Harris getting Covid, and Hillary becoming President.  Also cut US forces so that China can safely invade Taiwan.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 13, 2020, 12:02:38 PM
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Virginia’s Citizen Portal has gone down due to a cut fiber on Tuesday, preventing people from registering to vote online on the last day of voter registration before the Nov. 3 election, the Department of Elections says.

Residents can still register to vote by mailing in or dropping off paper applications.

Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax said that outages are reported statewide and called for the voter registration deadline to be extended beyond Tuesday. However, the Board of Elections hasn't announced plans to adjust the deadline.
There was a cut fiber somewhere in the vicinity of Richmond.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 13, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
There was a cut fiber somewhere in the vicinity of Richmond.

I support all legitimate voter registration, legitimate voting (as in NM).

"Whitmer kidnapping plot suspects also discussed abducting Virginia governor: FBI agent" ... attempt to smear Republicans?

"California hires Democratic operatives for 'Get Out The Vote' effort" ... legal?

"'Lacklustre Biden event' saw 30 attendees sit in their cars" ... even less rally attendance than animatronic Hillary in 2016 ;-)



Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on October 13, 2020, 12:42:02 PM
Early voting starts in two days and my husband told me he has changed his mind and is going to vote for Biden. Because NC is a battleground state I do think every vote matters.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 13, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Early voting starts in two days and my husband told me he has changed his mind and is going to vote for Biden. Because NC is a battleground state I do think every vote matters.

Hope your state isn't shambolic.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 13, 2020, 06:49:28 PM
Early voting starts in two days and my husband told me he has changed his mind and is going to vote for Biden. Because NC is a battleground state I do think every vote matters.
NC is absolutely crucial.  Going in person asap.  Anticipating a long wait.  Gonna crawl on broken glass if I have to for this one, just to have the satisfaction of seeing that ballot get counted.

Better not be any electoral shenanigans.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 13, 2020, 08:03:51 PM
"Federal Judge Allows Clinton Foundation Whistleblower Complaint To Proceed, Rules IRS 'Abused Its Discretion'" ... maybe justice yet

"Never-Trump Group Is 2020's Top 'Dark Money' Spender So Far" ... Bill Crystal and other neo-Cons who were Trots in the 60s

"Trump Scores With Independents As Suburban Women Lean Left" ... election to be decided by the Karens?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on October 13, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
NC is absolutely crucial.  Going in person asap.  Anticipating a long wait.  Gonna crawl on broken glass if I have to for this one, just to have the satisfaction of seeing that ballot get counted.

Better not be any electoral shenanigans.


I always vote early, in person and I have not missed a major election. Other than paying taxes and obeying the law, I feel like there are very few civic duties asked of Americans.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 14, 2020, 03:16:01 AM
"Pelosi Slams CNN's Wolf Blitzer: "You're Always An Apologist For Republicans"" ... CNN is a hive of Republicans ... bwahah.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 14, 2020, 07:24:27 AM
Yesterday, I saw another Biden/Harris sign in my county.  That makes a total of three, or somewhere less than .01% of all the signs county wide.  There are probably more, but this represents a 20 mile radius of my house on the more traveled secondary roads, which are actually not that well traveled.  This is southwestern Virginia's version of "Democrats coming out of the woodwork."  Usually, there are no Democratic signs at all.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 14, 2020, 08:58:41 AM
Yesterday, I saw another Biden/Harris sign in my county.  That makes a total of three, or somewhere less than .01% of all the signs county wide.  There are probably more, but this represents a 20 mile radius of my house on the more traveled secondary roads, which are actually not that well traveled.  This is southwestern Virginia's version of "Democrats coming out of the woodwork."  Usually, there are no Democratic signs at all.
I live in CA, but in a county that went Bush both times and trump the last time.  I have not seen a trump nor Biden sign in my neighborhood, which is quite strange.  And I have seen only one presidential sign in any part of town--a Biden/Harris sign.  Usually those signs are everywhere.  The city, county and state signs are everywhere. 
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on October 14, 2020, 09:18:52 AM
Yesterday, I saw another Biden/Harris sign in my county.  That makes a total of three, or somewhere less than .01% of all the signs countywide.  There are probably more, but this represents a 20-mile radius of my house on the more traveled secondary roads, which are actually not that well-traveled.  This is southwestern Virginia's version of "Democrats coming out of the woodwork."  Usually, there are no Democratic signs at all.

Speaking of signs, this was in the local news. I think if this "police officer" had any integrity he or she would have had a conversation with their neighbor and not sent an anonymous letter.

Woman Receives Threatening Letter Over Yard Sign (https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nc/triad/news/2020/10/13/woman-receives-threatening-letter-over-yard-sign)

(https://img1.etsystatic.com/171/0/14672083/il_340x270.1194604301_7bxh.jpg)

GREENSBORO, N.C. — A Greensboro woman is turning to the police after receiving a threatening letter in response to her yard sign.

The sign states several philosophies like Black lives matter, love is love, science is real, and water is life. The letter used intimidating language and claimed Black Lives Matter is a Marxist revolutionary group that wants to overthrow the government.

The writer closed with, “You and your sign are disgusting. Signed, a police officer, who you may someday call if, at night while you are sleeping, intruders break into your home and you are in fear of your life.”

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/d747e495b35c6fe256560ccc5857e62a/2902b9d5b3ec099c-de/s1280x1920/49c095b5c1baa1eaca11e629b75af78807c5e03f.jpg)

Jennifer Erausquin, the woman the letter was directly addressed to, says she sees the letter as proof that we have a long way to go.

“I truly believe that what we need is faith in our community, faith that we can come together, that we can have conversations and come to a shared understanding about our community, humanity, and human rights,” Erausquin said. “I’m willing to have hard conversations and I will always respect other people’s beliefs and their right to free speech.”

Erausquin reported the letter to Greensboro police officers and they're working to track down where it came from.

They say they have received 845 reports like this so far this year, compared to 580 at this time last year.




Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 14, 2020, 11:39:59 AM
Republicans win = Dems go to Auschwitz
Democrats win = Reps go to Gulag

""Guillotines, Motherf*cker": Colorado Democratic Committee Member Caught On Hidden Camera Talking Violent Revolution" ... can we kill these animals already?

Can't wait for the genocide to start!!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 14, 2020, 12:41:25 PM
Trump claims he's winning over Bernie supporters.  He's wrong. (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-14/trump-is-wrong-he-isn-t-winning-bernie-sanders-voters-over-biden)

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Trump’s contention that he’ll attract Sanders voters is based on the notion that he’s an economic populist and that voters on the left will overlook his record on race, immigration, and women, and spurn Joe Biden at the polls. The idea that Trump could win over a meaningful percentage of Sanders voters and left populists first originated with former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, who put this theory into action with disastrous results that led to his ouster from the White House.
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According to a tracking poll from Drew Linzer of the data analytics firm Civiqs, people who supported Sanders in the Democratic primaries now favor Biden over Trump 84% to 4%. And Trump’s 4% is unlikely to grow: 94% of Sanders supporters have an unfavorable view of the president.
In 2016, Trump ran on a fake populism platform which most Sanders supporters correctly deduced was a lie.  This year, he's running on tear gas and plague.  Unfavorable is a bit of an understatement.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 14, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
Biden supporters are, regardless of age, only fit for the nursing home ;-))
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 14, 2020, 12:51:17 PM
Judge orders Virginia voter registration extended (https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/federal-judge-orders-virginia-voter-registration-deadline-to-be-extended/article_0865ecff-a3e7-524d-bca2-5fe390543392.html).  This in response to a cable severed in an apparent job-site accident on the last day of voter registration, depriving some potential voters of the right to vote.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 14, 2020, 01:44:26 PM
Judge orders Virginia voter registration extended (https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/federal-judge-orders-virginia-voter-registration-deadline-to-be-extended/article_0865ecff-a3e7-524d-bca2-5fe390543392.html).  This in response to a cable severed in an apparent job-site accident on the last day of voter registration, depriving some potential voters of the right to vote.

VA governor said that was impossible ... per VA law.  So will this go further in the court?  Will one extra day of registration matter?  VA had computer problems with registration in 2016 too.

"Supreme Court Rules That Census Count Can Be Cut Short" .. basically Covid.  Per Covid, we should cancel the whole year of 2020, and start over in 2021 for election etc. ;-))

Interesting laptop abandoned at a computer repair store ...

"A Senate committee is investigating a bombshell cache of documents about Hunter Biden’s foreign dealings acquired by a Delaware computer repairman and exposed Wednesday by The Post." ... sounds like Joe didn't teach Hunter to use BleachBit.  Email about Joe meeting with Burisma in the WH in 4/2015 (which he has lied about).  Now not only expose this, but the Weiner laptop, that has copies of all of Hillary's evidence of crime on her part?

"Southwest Boots Black Trump Supporter For Lowering Face Mask To Eat" ... White Dems doing the same thing, weren't booted.  Southwest needs to keep the Blacks on the Dem plantation.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 15, 2020, 10:40:33 AM
"2 Individuals Linked To Biden Campaign Test Positive For COVID-19; Harris Suspends Campaign Until Monday" ... your turn!

"SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE REPLACED WITH COMPETING NBC AND ABC TOWN HALLS" ... what?  no dueling banjos?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsC4kf6x_Q0

You can play that while you watch one of the two flaming sacks of ...

My Ex and I both have Tennessee hillbillies a few generations back.  Them be fine folk, yeah!

"The Washington Post, Which Endorsed Biden, Says Biden Did Nothing Wrong" ... defenestrate MSM

"Twitter, Facebook Go Full Tilt Protecting Biden Just Weeks After Execs Join Transition Team" ... defenestrate Social Media
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 15, 2020, 10:45:35 PM
How did Trumplestilskin do in his latest campaign rally? I thought Biden did well in his conversation with voters. It was kind of boring actually, but that's just what I've been craving for years!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on October 15, 2020, 10:58:35 PM
I couldn't bring myself to watch any of the Oval Orifice's.  I did see someone on Discord comment that changing the channel from Trump's town hall to Biden's was like going from a performance artist slapping himself in the face with meat while farting into a kazoo to Bob Ross...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 16, 2020, 12:24:31 AM
It was kind of boring actually, but that's just what I've been craving for years!
I could really go for some boring after the last few years.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 16, 2020, 02:19:29 AM
How did Trumplestilskin do in his latest campaign rally? I thought Biden did well in his conversation with voters. It was kind of boring actually, but that's just what I've been craving for years!

Usually craving is for cigarettes or chocolate ;-)

"Dueling Townhalls Post Mortem: Snarling Savannah Vs Gentle George & Not A Single Question About Hunter Biden" ... Bwahah

"The 2020 Election Bamboozle: We Are All Victims Of The Deep State's Con Game" ... Election of 1788, Washington and Franklin were the original Deep State
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 16, 2020, 01:09:50 PM
People in my Facebook feed are seriously trying to spread this story that Biden's family are the "most corrupt political family in history." Umm... Have you forgotten Trump's family? Yeah, kinda hard to take you seriously when we still have the guy who flirts with dictators, murderers, and white supremacists in the White House.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 16, 2020, 01:20:24 PM
People in my Facebook feed are seriously trying to spread this story that Biden's family are the "most corrupt political family in history." Umm... Have you forgotten Trump's family? Yeah, kinda hard to take you seriously when we still have the guy who flirts with dictators, murderers, and white supremacists in the White House.

All human beings are deplorables?  Including yours ;-)  Jail all humans, execute them all for their countless crimes against humanity ;-))

Seriously, Bill and Hillary are miles more evil than the Bidens or the Obamas.  Democrats are slavers since Andrew Jackson, but slavery has changed over time.  Republicans were Whigs (Yankee plutocrats).  President Jackson was elected to take them down, and he did, shutting down the predecessor of the Federal Reserve, and bringing about the first Great Depression ... in 1836.  From 1913-1933 it was a bipartisan thing to bring about the second Great Depression (using the new Federal Reserve as a partner).  Woodrow Wilson was one of the most evil Presidents, and he was a Democrat.  Same with Herbert Hoover, an evil Republican.  Y'all are being played, and played.  In my time, LBJ was far more evil than Nixon.

"TIKTOKERS TRIED TO CHEAT BIDEN TOWNHALL RATINGS ABOVE TRUMP BUT FAILED, TRUMP NEARLY DOUBLES RATIN.." .. election interference by useful idiots of CCP app, like with Tulsa rally two months ago.  Dems are the most pathetic and bad losers.  This is all by DNC morans, I don't blame the average deplorable.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 16, 2020, 03:16:07 PM
People in my Facebook feed are seriously trying to spread this story that Biden's family are the "most corrupt political family in history."
Always projection with these people.  You can actually use that to get a pretty solid bead on what they're up to.  Corruption.  Election fraud.  Fake...everything.  Etc.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 16, 2020, 04:13:33 PM
Republicans ... evil doers accusing of innocent Democrats of evil ... don't hold your bets or your breath on that tribalism.

"Hunter Biden Business Associate Flips From Prison, Releases Emails Detailing China Influence-Peddling Operation" ... from 2011.  Bad to the Bone Bidens
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2020, 11:30:51 AM
"Biden Slams CBS Reporter For Asking About The Hunter Biden Scandal" ... yes, MSM are such skinheads.  Always going soft on the Republicans and savaging the Democrats ... Reeee,  just like recently when Wolf Blitzer didn't let Nancy Pelosi control both sides of her interview.  In the coming utopia, reporters only ask the questions the politicians want, and only comment on the politicians responses the way the politicians want.  Got tyranny?

""Hunter Biden's Story Is PROOF POSITIVE Of Collusion Between Media, Democrats, It's UNDENIABLE" ... MSM was part of DNC back in the 60s or LBJ wouldn't have got away with evil
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 17, 2020, 02:32:46 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/17/trump-losing-polls-429986

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“Could you imagine if I lose?” Trump said Friday evening at a campaign rally in Macon, Ga. “My whole life, what am I going to do? I’m going to say, 'I lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics.' I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country. I don’t know.”
Say hi to Snowden for me.

But hey, it's not all bad for Trump, Liberty University has him on track to beat Hillary Clinton this year.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2020, 02:43:51 PM
I support Snowden and Putin ;-)  Putin is a real man, not a washed up senior.  Snowden committed a crime, but is more patriotic about liberty than either candidate.  America is evil and must be destroyed (says every SJW etc).

Russo-phobia combined with Sino-philia ... interesting, but stupid (says German guy on tricycle from Laugh-In).

"Kristen Welker, upcoming presidential debate moderator, has deep Democrat ties" ... everyone in politics has committed horrible immoral acts, on camera (often with the assistance of Epstein), so they can be blackmailed by the CIA.  Wonder what they have on Kristen.

"Full Story Behind Hunter's Laptop Debunks Latest Russia Conspiracy Theory" ... tag on computer has Hunter's signature ... Putin mind control made him do it, then made him take drugs (and worse things), made him take money for foreign concerns for access to his dad ... all because his dad is The Manchurian Candidate.

"Senate Homeland Committee Demands Answers From FBI Over Hunter Biden Laptop" ... waterboard the FBI to find out who the Dems are, then defenestrate the Dems.  FBI had this laptop since last December, and did nothing.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 17, 2020, 06:07:23 PM
Oh, my god. Now they're trying to say that Obama and Biden faked Osama Bin Laden's death. This is hilarious shit. Trump is just throwing shit at the wall, and seeing what sticks. He's getting desperate.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mermaid on October 17, 2020, 06:17:26 PM
Oh, my god. Now they're trying to say that Obama and Biden faked Osama Bin Laden's death. This is hilarious shit. Trump is just throwing shit at the wall, and seeing what sticks. He's getting desperate.
I don't think it's hilarious. He is clearly just making shit up, and all of it's sticking. His base believes every word that comes from his disgusting mouth. It worked great at the last election. Hillary-gate and all.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 17, 2020, 06:22:13 PM
I don't think it's hilarious. He is clearly just making shit up, and all of it's sticking. His base believes every word that comes from his disgusting mouth. It worked great at the last election. Hillary-gate and all.

The emails thing is more believable. Even if I do think it's horseshit. But the idea that Bin Laden was never actually killed? Where's he been all this time? Wouldn't he want to let people know he was still causing trouble for America? I mean, which is easier, killing Bin Laden or finding a body double to play the part of Bin Laden, killing the double, then shooting down the soldiers who took part to cover it up? Trump's loyal sheep will lap it up, of course, but I don't think the general public is stupid enough to take that seriously.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 17, 2020, 06:35:28 PM
The emails thing is more believable. Even if I do thing it's horseshit. But the idea that Bin Laden was never actually killed? Where's he been all this time? Wouldn't he want to let people know he was still causing trouble for America? I mean, which is easier, killing Bin Laden or finding a body double to play the part of Bin Laden, killing the double, then shooting down the soldiers who took part to cover it up? Trump's loyal sheep will lap it up, of course, but I don't think the general public is stupid enough to take that seriously.
I listened to a podcast about this and bear in mind that these people are supposed to be more or less average Americans (queue the general idiocy) and their general impression is that the operation was so sudden, the body disposed of so quickly, and not really documented that it comes across as very suspicious.  This whole chain of events is fertile ground for conspiracy/denialism and therefore Trump's assertion is somewhat reasonable and whether or not Bin Laden is dead is an open question.

Of course, they didn't have a particularly well-read impression.  From what I've gathered, Bin Laden was indeed identified and he was buried out at sea so there would be no gravesite (which no Middle Eastern country would want) and minimal political fallout.

The moral of the story is that you can take just about anything, give part of the story (it's helpful to know as little as possible for this part) and make it sound extremely suspicious and therefore some big conspiracy.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 17, 2020, 07:09:18 PM
Even God has no idea what Trump is going to say next.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2020, 07:14:43 PM
Oh, my god. Now they're trying to say that Obama and Biden faked Osama Bin Laden's death. This is hilarious shit. Trump is just throwing shit at the wall, and seeing what sticks. He's getting desperate.

Not clear, because of the body being disposed of.  Osama had several sons as tall as he was (he was taller than normal), and he is rumored to have had body doubles.  Supposedly the DNA of relatives confirms the kill, but that might only confirm it is one of his sons.  The old rumor was that the FBI visited Osama in a Dubai hospital in August 2001.  He had health problems, and may have died.  His people could have invested in using a body double to pretend he was still alive.  These rumors were around long before Trump was elected.  Trump as President could have seen the classified report, but he is no genetics expert.  Obama as President may have found even a false kill to be politically helpful, since this was a year before his re-election.

https://www.history.com/news/the-costliest-day-in-seal-team-six-history

So this falls into the conspiracy theory, as most people on the Osama raid didn't live long.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2020, 07:15:08 PM
Even God has no idea what Trump is going to say next.

Twitter gives and Twitter takes away ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on October 17, 2020, 07:18:34 PM
I know a few guys who got sucked into Talk radio. Fox, Breitbart, Hannity. Everyone knows a guy like this. Their lives may have not exactly played out like they thought and this stuff gives them an excuse... an enemy to blame. Otherwise good men who get addicted and consumed by it. Some of their wives too, but not always. One guy like this was my mentor. He mentioned his family couldn't stand to be around him anymore. It is all he talked about. I was apolitical at the time, too busy with tech stuff. He got so worked up with hate of "libtards" he gave himself a heart attack and then another and finally a fatal stroke. The last time I saw him he was enjoying chatting "engineering" with a bunch of liberals. Just gotta steer clear of certain topics. Just treat them like addicts. These manipulators know how to get the brain chemicals moving.

There is a documentary about it.

https://www.thebrainwashingofmydad.com/
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays, invented media brainwashing, we have been brainwashed professionally since about 1923.  MSM does it long before Social Media was created.  Back in the 90s I tried Rush Limbaugh, but I was unimpressed.  Same with Alex Jones later.  Some people are their own worst enemies (Rush with oxycontin).  He worked for US propaganda during WWI.  Bernays promoted women smoking, in 1929, as part of women's liberation (he was paid by Big Tobacco).  In the early 50s he worked with the CIA to destabilize Guatemala.

You can fool all the people all the time, make them vote the way you want, get them to purchase unnecessary quantities of detergent.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: aitm on October 17, 2020, 09:00:50 PM
Even God has no idea what Trump is going to say next.
Like all humans, the issue is not so much what they say, as what they wish they could. With tRump, that is a very scary.....
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 18, 2020, 12:13:44 AM
Like all humans, the issue is not so much what they say, as what they wish they could. With tRump, that is a very scary.....

Humans are the most dangerous predator on this planet.  It is wise to not trust any of them with your back turned ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 18, 2020, 09:41:37 AM
"Twitter Refuses To Unlock NYPost Account Unless Paper Deletes Tweets About Hunter Biden" ... quid pro quo, like Genie says isn't an option, but Joe Biden loves.

"Before The Bidens "Did" Ukraine, There Was Iraq... And Serbia" .. worldwide grifting by the Elite
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on October 18, 2020, 04:21:55 PM
People in my Facebook feed are seriously trying to spread this story that Biden's family are the "most corrupt political family in history." Umm... Have you forgotten Trump's family? Yeah, kinda hard to take you seriously when we still have the guy who flirts with dictators, murderers, and white supremacists in the White House.
Not to mention the Bush family's long-standing relationship with the House of Saud and their protection of the nation from which most of the 9/11 terrorists came from.  There are a lot of Republicans to get through before the Biden family is even the smallest blip on the criminality radar.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 18, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
Not to mention the Bush family's long-standing relationship with the House of Saud and their protection of the nation from which most of the 9/11 terrorists came from.  There are a lot of Republicans to get through before the Biden family is even the smallest blip on the criminality radar.

Oh, Obama war criminal?  Yes, him too.  The Bidens are minor criminals, like Pelosi, Schiff etc.

Evidence on the Biden family hid by FBI since last November?  If it had come out 10 months ago, the Biden family would be on trial, and Bernie Sanders would be the Dem candidate.  I think that would have been a better outcome, an honest communist vs a crime family.  But that wouldn't have suited the Clintons at all.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 19, 2020, 07:42:00 AM
Trump: if Biden is elected, he'll listen to the scientists (https://www.axios.com/trump-warns-lockdowns-if-biden-elected-scientists-c1263b65-15c9-47a1-9d6b-63161f6c5170.html)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2020, 09:54:26 AM
"BIDEN SLAMMED BY UNION FOR LYING AND CLAIMING THEY ENDORSED HIM WHEN THEY ENDORSED TRUMP" ... ugly senility

"COPS BEG JOE BIDEN TO STOP SAYING THEY SHOULD SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE LEG" ... another moran

"TRUMP CAMP CLAIMS DEM GOVERNOR CALLED FOR ASSASSINATION SAYING "86 45" WIKIPEDIA SCRUBS DEFINITION" ... Whitmer is nuts

"CUOMO, DEBLASIO SHOW US WHAT A BIDEN PRESIDENCY WOULD BE LIKE... DYSFUNCTIONAL AND UNCONSTITUTIONA.." ... demonology.  Cuomo and Hillary both want positions in the Biden/Harris dictatorship.

"New Data Analysis Finds 353 Counties With 1.8 Million More Registered Voters Than Residents" ... tip of the corrupt voting iceberg

"New York's Botched Ballot Mailing, Primary Debacle Rattle Voter Confidence" ... put Cuoma/DeBlasio in charge of America
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 19, 2020, 02:01:14 PM
Trump: if Biden is elected, he'll listen to the scientists (https://www.axios.com/trump-warns-lockdowns-if-biden-elected-scientists-c1263b65-15c9-47a1-9d6b-63161f6c5170.html)

Oh no! Not the scientists! We need a leader who listens to people who actually know what they're talking about, like this guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRLCBb7qK8
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 19, 2020, 03:42:06 PM
https://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/8-scientific-conspiracies-that-turned-out-to-be-true/page-4/

Please consume the pesticide atrazine so you can become a true snowflake ;-)  I still have my doubts about floridating the public water supply.

As the article says, in some species (not humans) it is perfectly natural to switch sex.  Please don't share a selfie of self castration ;-) ... the market for eunuchs has dried up ;-))

"Streisand Effect: Twitter Ban On Biden Laptop Scandal Nearly Doubled Visibility According To MIT" ... bwahaha
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on October 20, 2020, 08:24:23 AM
Natalie Wynn makes an appeal to leftists who are too edgy to participate in the electoral farce.

https://youtu.be/t3Vah8sUFgI

"Even though Biden is not my boy, I still think dethroning Trump by electing Biden is the single most important thing any American can do right now. ... To me, voting is more of a utilitarian calculation based on the likely consequences of each candidate winning. It's not hero worship, it's not choosing a person to have a beer with, it's strategy."
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 20, 2020, 11:26:40 AM
"Sperry Exposes The Complete History Of Hunter Biden's Crony-Connected Jobs" ... Hunter has been working his dad's crooked deals since he graduated from college, so I believe his dad was making him give him half of his "income" since it was a way to launder campaign contributions ;-(

Lots of politicians have done this, but I don't approve of Joe abusing his son like this.

""This Is Not A Russian Hoax": 'Nonpublic Information' Debunks Letter From '50 Former Intel Officials'" ... who are currently Dems?  If they are former officials, it is OK for them to be partisan.

""WHAT THE F*CK! IM OUT": Rapper 50 Cent Melts Down Over Biden-Harris Tax Plan, Endorses Trump" ... oh, some rich finally realize they aren't part of the Clinton/Obama/Biden club?

"NEW HARD EVIDENCE DROPS ON HUNTER AND JOE BIDEN SCANDAL, FAKE NEWS DESPERATELY LIES SCREAMING RUSS.." .. the Russians are gods of chess, Americans are losers at checkers

"Project Veritas Drops A HUGE Inside Video For GOOGLE, They ADMIT To 'Playing God' With Election" ... atheists now forbidden from using Google ;-)

"DEBUNKED! Wikipedia Editors Back Bidens, Stifle Dissent" ... Wikipedia also founded by the CIA

"TRUMP GOES TO CHURCH, LEGACY MEDIA OUTRAGED" ... a real Republican sould have taken money out of the plate, not put money in ;-)

"Mark Zuckerberg Donates Hundreds Of Millions To Increase Voter Turnout In Democratic Strongholds" .. nothing illegal about that, he should give all his money to Hillary, who will know what to do with it ;-)

"Rudy Giuliani Turns Over Alleged Photos Of Underage Girls From Hunter's Hard Drive To Delaware Police" .. FBI won't do anything.  Hunter's two partners in the Ukraine scam are already in jail for corruption.  The MSM won't tell you that.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 21, 2020, 10:52:47 AM
Some kind of record breaking super pac is funding mega millions to Biden, who is apparently outspending Trump by double or something like that.  I guess this is considered some kind of indicator of who's ahead, but I'm astounded at why blatant ads can be that effective.  Ads are not like actual news coverage, which seems like a better indicator of who would be the better choice.  People are affected by ads to be sure, which is what Madison Ave is all about, but ads don't tell you what you need to know.  They are mostly lies, whether they are for a political candidate or Ibuprofen.  And mega millions of ads funneled into a swing state seems like it would get tiresome.

Maybe a big campaign war chest tells us that more people support a candidate, but who are these people?  Big money comes from big corporations, with their own motives, and of course they are going to pour money into Biden's account, because he's the most likely winner.  No sense giving Trump money if he's not going to be there to do your bidding.  It's not like giving money to a candidate is an endorsement, It's about buying the candidate.  It tells us who the winner will be doing the favors for, and it's most likely not going to be you.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 21, 2020, 11:08:50 AM
Well, after all, SGOS, money is free speech.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 21, 2020, 11:16:07 AM
Well, after all, SGOS, money is free speech.
What happens to the money they don't spend, or does that never happen?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 21, 2020, 11:40:33 AM
Trump: if Biden is elected, he'll listen to the scientists (https://www.axios.com/trump-warns-lockdowns-if-biden-elected-scientists-c1263b65-15c9-47a1-9d6b-63161f6c5170.html)

What does that even mean? Is he mocking? What is it? America is not in depression? The world is in depression, America is not floating in space.

The thing with people who think they hold absolute power is that they see the world in black and white and the world is never black and white. So he's actually been doing what he claims is harmful for the country the whole time.

I also wonder what he understand from the word 'scientist'. Whats her face, the demon sex lady? Isn't that the scientist for these people?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: GSOgymrat on October 21, 2020, 11:47:10 AM
There is a series of these billboards in Greensboro. I wonder how effective they are.

(https://www.pennlive.com/resizer/eVeZyUSusYs5Ki8AqZotjbsZUv8=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/7ANIYQUKCJCILCE2MZNSE7KTWE.jpg)

(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BB19CnDT.img?h=315&w=600&m=6&q=60&o=t&l=f&f=jpg&x=248&y=177)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 11:55:42 AM
Some kind of record breaking super pac is funding mega millions to Biden, who is apparently outspending Trump by double or something like that.  I guess this is considered some kind of indicator of who's ahead, but I'm astounded at why blatant ads can be that effective.  Ads are not like actual news coverage, which seems like a better indicator of who would be the better choice.  People are affected by ads to be sure, which is what Madison Ave is all about, but ads don't tell you what you need to know.  They are mostly lies, whether they are for a political candidate or Ibuprofen.  And mega millions of ads funneled into a swing state seems like it would get tiresome.

Maybe a big campaign war chest tells us that more people support a candidate, but who are these people?  Big money comes from big corporations, with their own motives, and of course they are going to pour money into Biden's account, because he's the most likely winner.  No sense giving Trump money if he's not going to be there to do your bidding.  It's not like giving money to a candidate is an endorsement, It's about buying the candidate.  It tells us who the winner will be doing the favors for, and it's most likely not going to be you.

China + Soros + Bloomberg + ActBlue (getting money from BLM and AntiFa) + corporations joining Cthulhu (they want to be the last eaten).  That is why Trump isn't loved by corporations, he is wealthy enough to not give an F.

Per road signs above ... some people are Uncle Toms ;-)  The first one should add "I'm a Karen".  How dare they stereotype White people as blondes!!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 11:56:08 AM
What happens to the money they don't spend, or does that never happen?

Buys Bernie another house ;-))

Old film short, but now I know Pence is Shiva!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-hYq3Y9IoU

This is why Buddhism is better than Hinduism ... the Buddha would embrace his inner "flyness" ;-)  On that note ...

"Hunter Biden Witness Moved From Prison Cell After Exposing Influence-Peddling Operation" ... lots or arkancides coming, gone the way of Jeffery Epstein, Seth Rich and Vince Foster, no inner peace.

"THE FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE MICROPHONE MUTING ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE" ... mute both candidates completely.  DNC moderator can put words in Biden's mouth and Trump's mouth.

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 21, 2020, 02:28:55 PM
What happens to the money they don't spend, or does that never happen?
I've wondered that myself.  Is that one of the reasons there are no poor people serving in congress--either house??  With the orange monster, there is no mystery--like a good mob boss, it goes into his pockets.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 21, 2020, 02:43:17 PM
What does that even mean? Is he mocking? What is it? America is not in depression? The world is in depression, America is not floating in space.

The thing with people who think they hold absolute power is that they see the world in black and white and the world is never black and white. So he's actually been doing what he claims is harmful for the country the whole time.

I also wonder what he understand from the word 'scientist'. Whats her face, the demon sex lady? Isn't that the scientist for these people?
Trump claimed that the scientists would lock everything down (apparently for no reason) slowing down the economy.  So yes, he meant listen to the scientists as if it were a bad thing.

And yes, we are in an economic depression right now.  Maybe if we locked everything down, got cases under control, then reopened safely, that wouldn't have happened.  Guess we'll never know.  What I do know is that this disease is still running rampant, the POTUS alternates between playing the blame game and being deeply in denial (true leadership right there), and a lot of places are still closed because there's still no safe way to open.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 21, 2020, 02:47:45 PM
Trump: "nobody wants me", leaves event early (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/nobody-wants-me-trump-plays-sympathy-card-at-pennsylvania-rally-before-cutting-event-short-and-dancing-off-stage-to-ymca-b1200436.html)

Quote
In one of his most bizarre and incoherent performances to date, president Donald Trump on Tuesday night told a Pennsylvania rally "nobody wants me" before cutting the event short and dancing off the stage to YMCA.

Outmuscled financially and trailing Joe Biden in most national and battleground polls, Mr Trump did not appear to be his usual energetic self, as he addressed thousands of Make America Great Again supporters crammed into a chilly and dark Erie International Airport.

Two weeks out from election day the president, 74, complained about the temperature, which had been hovering around 10C (50F) telling the crowd he was only there because he was losing, a highly unusual move – even for a president as unpredictable as Mr Trump.

At one point, the commander-in-chief appeared to be trying to get the crowd to feel sorry for him, telling them "nobody wants me".
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 02:55:57 PM
I've wondered that myself.  Is that one of the reasons there are no poor people serving in congress--either house??  With the orange monster, there is no mystery--like a good mob boss, it goes into his pockets.

It is all about money.  You can shrive your soul by sending me all of yours ;-)

Back in the day, candidates pocketed lots of money in campaigns that didn't go the campaign.  And lots of lobbyist bribes went to officials while in office.  They tried to reform this a few decades ago, but the reforms have been an utter failure.

On Trump, y'all find his NYC humor incomprehensible.  Bunch of Cali surfer bums ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 21, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
Quote
"nobody wants me"

Maybe he is coming down from some substance?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 02:57:29 PM
Maybe he is coming down from some substance?

Disembodied Twitter spirits would say that ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 04:21:21 PM
"Joe Biden Insists Son Never Profited Off Family Name; Except Hunter And Ex-President Of Poland Say He Did" ... perfect politician, he doesn't know when he is lying

""Piles Of Stolen Mail On The Side Of The Road": Ballot Thefts Reported In Two Portland-Metro Suburbs" ... end voting now

"Secret Service Travel Logs Match Details In Alleged Hunter Biden Emails" ... proof SS is infiltrated by KGB

"Hunter Biden Emails Debunk 'No Burisma Investigation' Claims" ... no there there
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on October 21, 2020, 05:25:42 PM
Long voting line tip: Rent a walker with a seat.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 05:43:06 PM
Long voting line tip: Rent a walker with a seat.

I have one of my mom's ... for future use ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 21, 2020, 06:24:32 PM
Long lines keep the proletariat in line.  We are now about where the Soviet Union was in 1950.  America is Great Again.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 21, 2020, 06:53:50 PM
Maybe he is coming down from some substance?

He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 07:32:40 PM
Long lines keep the proletariat in line.  We are now about where the Soviet Union was in 1950.  America is Great Again.

Do that better.  Stalin has Beria liquidated and lives forever ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 07:33:46 PM
He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.

You can't know people by their friends, but by their enemies.  Starbuck's Triple Soy Latte drinkers make good enemies ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 21, 2020, 07:56:45 PM
He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.
It was hard to read his body language in that little snippet.  I would say he looked dramatically unlike himself, but what he was feeling I'm not sure.  I though maybe resignation to his likely loss in November?  He was trying to make a joke about not being wanted by China and Iraq, but he looked worn out, which would be natural in recovery from Coronavirus, and we don't know when they took him off the Dex, so he could be crashing.  I wonder if he's going to be too tired to bully Biden tomorrow night.  I plan on watching the "debate" for at least 20 minutes, and then turning it off, unless it's actually interesting and not a version of reality TV.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 07:59:28 PM
We are living in reality TV as contestants.  Will you be kicked of The Island?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 21, 2020, 08:05:02 PM
I might watch the SNL skit of the debate. I'm sure it'll be more worth my time than the real thing.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on October 21, 2020, 08:13:15 PM
He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.
Why do I have this mental image of baby boomers/X leaving a country half-flooded and half-on-fire to an early onset diabetic generation that has started adulthood in-debt, living in their parent's (2nd mortgaged) house with a shelf full of participation trophies while a pandemic rages needlessly?

Holy run-on sentence Batman.

Being on the Boomer-X cusp myself...I am rooting for millennials. They are way more socially conscience, green minded, mostly godless and when they get their shit together they will save the planet and the species. Hopefully Trump will be the final really bad contribution that us boomers can muster up before we check out. We need to keep our sense of humor about all of this. Somehow. Life is still wonderful and beautiful and people are still basically good.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 10:22:06 PM
SNL?  Like when Bill Burr mocked y'all?

Hate Boomers?  Want to kill us before or after you toss us in the nursing home?

Oh, I thought Millennials were the worst generation, now they are the master race?

I support all the 20-60 year olds, because you are the ones that have to make things happen.  But not out of any generational prejudice.  Children are too young and seniors are too old.

"Putin says US Democratic Party 'closer to Social Democratic ideas,' would work with 'any future president'" .. he helped Hillary, not Trump.  He will help Biden too, because Biden is China's bitch, and China is Putin's ally ... "Agency heads say it involves hacked voter registration information as well as 'spoofed' emails sent to Democrats in order to damage President Trump" ... bwahah


Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on October 21, 2020, 10:39:03 PM
I'll tell ya, my parents didn't wanna be my friend and didn't give a damn about seeming cool to my friends. In fact they went out of their way to embarrass me by being as uncool as they could be. Hell, I love them !
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2020, 11:54:35 PM
I'll tell ya, my parents didn't wanna be my friend and didn't give a damn about seeming cool to my friends. In fact they went out of their way to embarrass me by being as uncool as they could be. Hell, I love them !

Parents ... can't live with them, can't be born/raised without them ;-)  You got to be you (you adult you).  Sorry they are dorks, "it is the way" per Mandalorian.  Parents live to embarrass their children, but usually when they are teenagers and are too emo.  You can embarrass them back, in love.  I certainly did.  I have never complained about my daughter's politics (but I gripe to myself).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 22, 2020, 12:53:45 AM
Being on the Boomer-X cusp myself...I am rooting for millennials. They are way more socially conscience, green minded, mostly godless and when they get their shit together they will save the planet and the species.
I mean, we're sorta more liberal than previous generations (true of Gen Z as well) but there's one incy wincy problem...

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/5V13iZ8Nj12FFfM-0gEtmuvo27s=/300x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost/public/ZQ2CUAWWCJD3XHI4B6PDJIURN4.png)

It's all that avocado toast and vidja games, surely...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 22, 2020, 03:50:28 AM
He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.

Yeah it's probably the drugs and they'll adjust the dose or come up with a better arrangement. Or it is some sort of an act.

But wouldn't they know that? For whatever reason he is taking it, they would know it has side affects like this. Because this is not a 70 something year old living at the next door whose behavioural disorders only affect the wife, the dog and neighbours who constantly avoids him. He is a president.

If it is an act or a combination of drugs and act; if they are letting it happen for the means of some strategy, it is gonna get really creepy. I swear, I can picture him crying in front of the cameras; telling how much he loves you all one by one, how he was thinking about only you when he did anything and for this great country OR even blaming some deep state for the last 4 years on whatever he has said and done. It's going to be a Rick and Morty episode, buckle up. 

In any case, the moment he is sure he can't get elected again, he will cry. Mark my words.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Cassia on October 22, 2020, 08:39:58 AM
I mean, we're sorta more liberal than previous generations (true of Gen Z as well) but there's one incy wincy problem...

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/resizer/5V13iZ8Nj12FFfM-0gEtmuvo27s=/300x0/arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost/public/ZQ2CUAWWCJD3XHI4B6PDJIURN4.png)

It's all that avocado toast and vidja games, surely...

Yeah, that is a flat and low line for millennials alright. However...I dare say that most of that boomer wealth is concentrated in a very few individuals. The rest of it is anything but liquid; most (~>60%) is tied up in home equity. That's why Tom Selleck is on TV selling reverse mortgages so that some gen X's and millennials don't even get the house. The concentration of wealth has been extraordinary during the reign of the boomer. The stock market and patience are key mechanisms. When young, inexperienced people try to break in.. the reddit stock boards show what often happens:
(https://i.ibb.co/wYHYspP/Image5.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 22, 2020, 09:27:47 AM
The answer to a Boomer is a pre Boomer?

Trump born 1946
Biden born 1942

Generational wealth has been systematically suppressed since Ronald Reagan.  This is bipartisan, because both parties work for the same Elites.

See chart repeated by Hillary who is a wealthy Boomer/Elite ;-)

https://www.epi.org/blog/inequality-central-productivity-pay-gap/

Boomers and later have all suffered from a productivity vs wage gap, and from inflation.  There is more unemployment and underemployment than in the WWII generation who benefited from the unique post-WWII boom.  Today work is more part-time than before, with less benefits after inflation.  This is why in my parent's generation, a blue-collar worker who had full employment and good benefits could be married with children and the wife only worked if she wanted to and only part time even then.

"$1 in 1980 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $3.15 in 2020, a difference of $2.15 over 40 years" a decline in value by more than 2/3.

Most of my income over 40 years was spent on daily expenses and credit card interest (something my parent's didn't have).  A great deal was burned because of cyclical unemployment.  For most of the Boomers, a great deal was spent on mortgage payments, their house being their primary investment, and many put a second mortgage on it during the go-go years before 2009 aka the bank still owns the house (and the government ultimately owns it thru eminent domain).

The next generation will see little inheritance, because of uncovered medical expenses, mortgages underwater, and funeral expenses.  The first and third items nearly exhausted my parent's estate, along with my mother living to a very old age.  They did benefit uniquely by a positive housing market that they cashed out of around 2009 or before.  My real estate was a net loss before retirement.  Beware that any paper assets are of ephemeral value compared to even real estate, since they are all based on the bigger fool theory.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 22, 2020, 09:28:35 AM
Why do I have this mental image of baby boomers/X leaving a country half-flooded and half-on-fire to an early onset diabetic generation that has started adulthood in-debt, living in their parent's (2nd mortgaged) house with a shelf full of participation trophies while a pandemic rages needlessly?

Holy run-on sentence Batman.



LOL, Cassia. That had a VR effect on me.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 22, 2020, 09:36:46 AM
Starting in particular with Obama, Millennials and their parents were sold on going into ridiculous debt for a valueless college degree.  But this decline started much earlier.  For a pre-/early Boomer generation, college was even free in-state, and the value of even a non-STEM degree wasn't diluted by too many kids going to college, or by all genuine jobs being exported to India and China.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 22, 2020, 10:13:16 AM
"New Biden Biz Partner Emerges, Confirms "Big Guy" Joe Directly Involved In China Deal" .. potential suicides keep multiplying

"Hunter Biden Laptop Linked To FBI Money Laundering Investigation" ... all the pols do it, but most don't keep their big wad in a washing machine.  one pol kept his in the freezer.

"Fears Of Biden Capital Gains Tax Hike Spark Avalanche Of Private Company Sales" ... Biden is good for giant multinationals, not others

"Home Depot Co-Founder: "Fraud" To Suggest Middle-Class Won't See Higher Taxes Under Biden" ... duh, soak the rich never happens ... “It’s absolutely a fraud... The only way a tax increase will generate revenues is to go after the middle class. That’s where the numbers are. These people are being misled...”
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 22, 2020, 11:07:20 AM
Yeah it's probably the drugs and they'll adjust the dose or come up with a better arrangement. Or it is some sort of an act.

But wouldn't they know that? For whatever reason he is taking it, they would know it has side affects like this. Because this is not a 70 something year old living at the next door whose behavioural disorders only affect the wife, the dog and neighbours who constantly avoids him. He is a president.

If it is an act or a combination of drugs and act; if they are letting it happen for the means of some strategy, it is gonna get really creepy. I swear, I can picture him crying in front of the cameras; telling how much he loves you all one by one, how he was thinking about only you when he did anything and for this great country OR even blaming some deep state for the last 4 years on whatever he has said and done. It's going to be a Rick and Morty episode, buckle up. 

In any case, the moment he is sure he can't get elected again, he will cry. Mark my words.

They haven't been able to control the President's behavior before. Why start now?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 22, 2020, 12:04:42 PM
They haven't been able to control the President's behavior before. Why start now?

Lincoln was elected by 35% of the vote, and provoked a Civil War.  John Wilkes Booth took too long to control him.

Who are they?  The MSM shills?  The CIA/FBI who assassinated JFK and control every pol via blackmail?  Now the public knows some of the blackmail that the Deep State has on the Biden crime family.

"Leftists Create Database to DOX Trump Supporters, Fliers Threatening CIVIL WAR Found in Kansas" ... just like our sane buddy, John Brown, in 1858?  The voter registrations let us know where every Democrat lives ... einstatzgruppen will have an easy time.

"Putin Endorses Comrade Joe Biden, Praises Democrats For Communist Ideals" .. correct, Mr Putin.

"Harris, prominent Democrats listed as 'key contacts' for Biden family business venture projects" ... duh!

"Ghislaine Maxwell deposition transcripts for 2016 case released" ... nothing to see, she lied thru her teeth

"FBI confirms Iran responsible for wave of fake emails intended to intimidate voters" ... Dems doing the will of the Ayatollah
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 22, 2020, 05:15:49 PM
Stand down and cover your eyes (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-postal-service-benches-its-police-officers-before-election-11602862096)

Quote
Frank Albergo, president of the Postal Police Officers Association, said the order to stand down, coming so close to the election, is especially concerning. “If I was going to undermine public trust in the mail, one of the first things I would do is pull postal police off the street,” he said.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 22, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Quote
NYT: During the first two minutes each candidate speaks in each of the six 15-minute segments, his opponent’s microphone will be muted. After those initial statements in each segment, both mics will be turned on and are not expected to be cut off during the rest of the segment, even if one candidate keeps interrupting the other or eats up time talking.
Is this better than nothing? 4 minutes without interruption followed by an 11 minute free for all in each segment.  Trump is probably brushing up on his interruptions right now.  The news still can't resist the reality TV format.  I'm going to give myself 8 minutes for the debate.  I promise myself 8 minutes.  It could be longer.  I already voted so the debate doesn't help me.  I received a dvd from Netflix today with the first 4 episodes of Penny Dreadful, it's in the drive and ready to go.  I'm good, here.  So you guys don't have to worry about me.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 22, 2020, 08:30:04 PM
I expect another debacle, but I must watch as if it were a traffic fiasco.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 22, 2020, 08:35:07 PM
I'm not watching it.  I consider debates to be useful to get insight on the candidates before voting.  But since I've voted, then there's really no point to me watching it.

I have no doubt Trump will try to turn this one into another circus, and I have zero interest in that.  Let me know how it turns out, though.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 22, 2020, 09:02:12 PM
I expect another debacle, but I must watch as if it were a traffic fiasco.

You need counseling.  I won't watch any of them.

"Hunter Biden's Ex-Partner To Be Trump's Debate Guest As Senate Demands Hunter Turn Over Records" ... will he make the "eye see you" gesture at Joe?

"'Waste Of Time': NPR Refuses To Cover Biden Scandal" .. remove all public funding from NPR.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 23, 2020, 05:16:36 AM
It was availble here live in the wee hours. I haven't watched it. Afraid to look up or ask about it. How was it?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 06:11:23 AM
It was availble here live in the wee hours. I haven't watched it. Afraid to look up or ask about it. How was it?

Reports say … better than before, election commission/moderator was less incompetent.  Common tropes of the last 4 years, older and newer were touched upon.  Both candidates did a fare amount of deflection.  Biden didn't collapse (which I am afraid of, there are horrible theories about).  In American terms I would call the experience of the last month "corned beef hash".  Who is the corned beef and who is the potatoes (the other ingredient) depends on your politics ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 23, 2020, 08:56:21 AM
It was availble here live in the wee hours. I haven't watched it. Afraid to look up or ask about it. How was it?
I watched about 25 min. of it, and most of that was to keep my wife company.  I find I get sick to my stomach watching tRUMP for more than a few min.  Orange kept his cool for the 'debate', but that just seemed to make the lies stand out more.  I think he actually will come out as worse today than yesterday.  All Biden had to do was not to lose, and he achieved that much anyway.  My wife braved the entire show, and feels the same way.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 10:27:50 AM
I watched about 25 min. of it, and most of that was to keep my wife company.  I find I get sick to my stomach watching tRUMP for more than a few min.  Orange kept his cool for the 'debate', but that just seemed to make the lies stand out more.  I think he actually will come out as worse today than yesterday.  All Biden had to do was not to lose, and he achieved that much anyway.  My wife braved the entire show, and feels the same way.

All Hillary had to do, was not lose ... but she did.  Flip a coin Nov 3.

"“I thought Zhao Biden did great at the debate”- CCP" ... enjoy your bicycles, Mao jackets and Zhao's Little Blue Book
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 23, 2020, 12:55:32 PM
Republicans put up anti-trump billboards in NC (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article246590693.html)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 01:08:01 PM
Republicans put up anti-trump billboards in NC (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article246590693.html)

Iran put out Proud Boy leaflets in Kansas
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 23, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
I was pleasantly surprised at the tone, but Trump was still his usual lying self. At least he didn't come off as a lounge act. I listed to it on KGO, and then listed to John Rothman and his callers talk about it for 2 1/2 hours. I may need an intervention...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: drunkenshoe on October 23, 2020, 03:17:04 PM
Hmm. So it was OK, as much as it can be.

But I'm not sure that 'the light tone' is good news from a different perspective. It means, he knows he could lose for real and while that's very good, it also means he is still acting out of 'character'. What is he capable of doing at a point he has nothing to lose after losing the elections? There is a huge difference between losing the first one and losing the second one, not to mention esp. in his position.

Because I hate to say it, but this is not going to end clean with Trump himself, am I wrong? Does it work that way? I wish it did. How many ways they have been trying to sue this man for the last 4 years? Democrats will try to reverse everything he did and they will jump the whole nine yards from international politics to his private life. And he's burned a lot of bridges too, somebody will have to pay the bill. Will republicans own up to him if he loses? To what end? Is he going to retire form politics? I don't know what to think about that but probably not. Maybe forced to?

Also people could start to talk when he steps down. Just what has been going with the staff the least would explode, imo. Then the officials. Who resigned in the last 4 years, when, why?  It feels like a period of 'Trump scandals' could start if he loses. I dunno. And it will radicalise politics and people more at both sides, deepen the adversity and invite more divisive policies. Sigh. oooff.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: bob nelson on October 23, 2020, 03:46:59 PM
  How any one with any common sense could vote for a corrupt career politician with dementia and a running mate who slept her way into office and is the "real" candidate baffles me. I kept waiting for willie brown to show up at one of their events, must have been paid off. Buy the way, people keep saying that trump is a liar, what specifically has he lied about?  TRUMP2020!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 04:11:46 PM
Hmm. So it was OK, as much as it can be.

But I'm not sure that 'the light tone' is good news from a different perspective. It means, he knows he could lose for real and while that's very good, it also means he is still acting out of 'character'. What is he capable of doing at a point he has nothing to lose after losing the elections? There is a huge difference between losing the first one and losing the second one, not to mention esp. in his position.

Because I hate to say it, but this is not going to end clean with Trump himself, am I wrong? Does it work that way? I wish it did. How many ways they have been trying to sue this man for the last 4 years? Democrats will try to reverse everything he did and they will jump the whole nine yards from international politics to his private life. And he's burned a lot of bridges too, somebody will have to pay the bill. Will republicans own up to him if he loses? To what end? Is he going to retire form politics? I don't know what to think about that but probably not. Maybe forced to?

Also people could start to talk when he steps down. Just what has been going with the staff the least would explode, imo. Then the officials. Who resigned in the last 4 years, when, why?  It feels like a period of 'Trump scandals' could start if he loses. I dunno. And it will radicalise politics and people more at both sides, deepen the adversity and invite more divisive policies. Sigh. oooff.

Obama reversed everything George W did?  No?  That isn't how things work here.  Both parties are paid actors, paid by the same people.  TV news in particular is a form of Hollywood infotainment ... based on real life, but not real.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 04:14:41 PM
  How any one with any common sense could vote for a corrupt career politician with dementia and a running mate who slept her way into office and is the "real" candidate baffles me. I kept waiting for willie brown to show up at one of their events, must have been paid off. Buy the way, people keep saying that trump is a liar, what specifically has he lied about?  TRUMP2020!

Welcome to the shark tank .. enjoy your swim ;-)  If I were voting, I would vote for Kanye West!  Hire a better entertainer for reboot of West Wing TV show ;-) ... Juliani can cameo as the TV ;-))

TDS is strong here, but there is at least one Trump supporter besides yourself.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 04:16:31 PM
"Blockbuster Report Reveals How Biden Family Was Compromised By China" .. I thought Blockbuster was closed!

"San Francisco Tech CEO Emails 10 Million Customers Urging Them To Vote For Biden" ... use HAARP to induce earthquake now!

"Pennsylvania Supreme Court Rules Counties Can't Reject Mail-In Ballots When Signatures Don't Match" ... how can you get a signature from a dead person? ;-)

Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 23, 2020, 04:16:47 PM
  How any one with any common sense could vote for a corrupt career politician with dementia and a running mate who slept her way into office and is the "real" candidate baffles me. I kept waiting for willie brown to show up at one of their events, must have been paid off. Buy the way, people keep saying that trump is a liar, what specifically has he lied about?  TRUMP2020!

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/78024408/oh-great-another-genius.jpg)

The list of lies runs too long to possible cover thoroughly, but here are a number of his lies on one topic that has been the bane of his political career: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/10/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 04:23:54 PM
We are all coyotes here ;-))
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: bob nelson on October 23, 2020, 05:04:15 PM
 If you take any thing that the "atlantic" prints as non-biased,then you must also watch CNN & MSNBC all day. Think about it, not having the facts about this once in a lifetime unknown disease, and knowingly lying about it are two entirely different things. Unlike the media and the democrats,who tried everything they could to undermine our response and cause panic, and refusing to do anything to stop the rioting in their shit-hole cities is pathetic.I live in wash. state and the response by our democrat mayor and governor to all of this bullshit rioting and "peaceful" protesting is border line criminal.If the democrats ever get in power,we can kiss our freedom and our grandkids futures goodbye. TRUMP2020
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 23, 2020, 05:17:22 PM
If you take any thing that the "atlantic" prints as non-biased,then you must also watch CNN & MSNBC all day.
Where, pray tell, do you get your news from?  Probably something super non-biased and factual, given your dismissal of mainstream sources.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 23, 2020, 05:21:16 PM
Buy the way, people keep saying that trump is a liar, what specifically has he lied about?
For starters, he said that Obama founded ISIS (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/donald-trump-obama-founder-isis-most-valuable-player) (and tellingly, didn't back it up in any way)

Do you believe that?  Cause if you do, there's nothing you won't believe.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 23, 2020, 06:35:54 PM
How any one with any common sense could vote for a corrupt career politician with dementia and a running mate who slept her way into office and is the "real" candidate baffles me.
Biden is a career politician, no doubt about it, but the rest of your accusations sound like things that are only known to you.  Where did you get that information?  From Baruch?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 23, 2020, 06:37:20 PM
We should be getting all of our news from Newsmax? FOX News? How about One America News?

There isn't a grain of salt big enough...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: bob nelson on October 23, 2020, 06:51:25 PM
 Trump didn't say obama founded isis, he said that he allowed it to spread to other countries and did nothing to stop it. Do you remember what obama did after seeing the video of that american getting be-headed? He went to the golf course.His response was pathetic.Go back and look at what was happening while he was in CUBA doing the "wave" at a baseball game. Obama was and is still a coward.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 23, 2020, 07:54:45 PM
Trump didn't say obama founded isis
He literally said those exact words several times, even when given the softball of "well, you really meant that the Iraq troop withdrawal set the stage for ISIS to seize territory, right?"

Maybe he just thought of it as a "punchier" version of what he actually meant (baffling as to why his supporters say that 'he tells it like it is' when they so often have to tie themselves into knots with 'what he really meant was...')

Let's assume that one is just Trump being Trump and saying stuff he doesn't really mean.

Here's 19,999 more (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/).  Get cracking.

Here's a good one: "Dems want to shut your churches down, permanently" (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/08/donald-trump/trump-falsely-claims-democrats-want-shut-your-chur/)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 23, 2020, 07:59:19 PM
Well, I'll give you one thing, Bob. It's brave of you to come out as a Trump supporter here. You're not alone, but I hope you came prepared.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 23, 2020, 08:02:23 PM
I wonder how Trump's supporters will feel after he's been in the office for another four years.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 23, 2020, 08:19:08 PM
Well, I'll give you one thing, Bob. It's brave of you to come out as a Trump supporter here. You're not alone, but I hope you came prepared.
Could be brave.  Most likely too stupid to know the difference.  That is why he comes up with stupid stuff like--'what lies?'  Trump lies every time he speaks or twitters.  It has been documented.  But he simply does not care.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 09:33:16 PM
I wonder how Trump's supporters will feel after he's been in the office for another four years.

Looking forward to Pence for 8 years ;-) ... you had to ask ... don't ask unless you like the answer
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 09:35:35 PM
If you take any thing that the "atlantic" prints as non-biased,then you must also watch CNN & MSNBC all day. Think about it, not having the facts about this once in a lifetime unknown disease, and knowingly lying about it are two entirely different things. Unlike the media and the democrats,who tried everything they could to undermine our response and cause panic, and refusing to do anything to stop the rioting in their shit-hole cities is pathetic.I live in wash. state and the response by our democrat mayor and governor to all of this bullshit rioting and "peaceful" protesting is border line criminal.If the democrats ever get in power,we can kiss our freedom and our grandkids futures goodbye. TRUMP2020

I hear up in Seattle giant slugs get elected to office and get coding jobs at Microsoft ;-)

The "that is an unreliable news source" is a battle often waged here.  People fail to realize that confirmation bias works on anyone, not just the opponent side ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 23, 2020, 09:37:20 PM
He literally said those exact words several times, even when given the softball of "well, you really meant that the Iraq troop withdrawal set the stage for ISIS to seize territory, right?"

Maybe he just thought of it as a "punchier" version of what he actually meant (baffling as to why his supporters say that 'he tells it like it is' when they so often have to tie themselves into knots with 'what he really meant was...')

Let's assume that one is just Trump being Trump and saying stuff he doesn't really mean.

Here's 19,999 more (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/).  Get cracking.

Here's a good one: "Dems want to shut your churches down, permanently" (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/08/donald-trump/trump-falsely-claims-democrats-want-shut-your-chur/)

No, atheists want to shut down churches.  But that comes with the ideological territory.  Since I have a "personal" relationship, if there is an institution or not is less important to me than it is to a pastor ;-)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 23, 2020, 10:48:26 PM
I wonder how Trump's supporters will feel after he's been in the office for another four years.

Same as they do now. They can't admit their leader is a clown. Plus, he gives them what they want. The bigoted rednecks couldn't have asked for a better President.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 24, 2020, 07:05:24 AM
Could be brave.  Most likely too stupid to know the difference.  That is why he comes up with stupid stuff like--'what lies?'  Trump lies every time he speaks or twitters.  It has been documented.  But he simply does not care.
This reminds me of a scene in Stargate SG1.  Stargate Command discloses the classified secret of the stargate to key ambassadors of four other global powers asking them to keep the secret, because SG1 needs their help to save the world.  The ambassadors get pissed because they had not been told of the secret before. The Chinese diplomat says, "I am afraid we will have to disclose this information to the Chinese people immediately, because our government does not keep secrets from it's people.  Everyone in the room turns and just looks at him silently with wide eyed but otherwise blank expressions.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 24, 2020, 07:13:12 AM
Think about it, not having the facts about this once in a lifetime unknown disease, and knowingly lying about it are two entirely different things.
Hey, easy now.  We are only trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt by calling it a lie.  Otherwise we have to explain it with phrases like "incompetent know-it-all."  We work hard here to be as bipartisan as possible so please be polite.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 24, 2020, 09:05:50 AM
It's brave of you to come out as a Trump supporter here.
Remember when bravery used to actually mean something?  Putting yourself in harm's way to protect others, protesting injustice knowing there's going to be a brutal authoritarian response.  Now it's defending everyone's favorite Sharper Image steak connaisseur against critcism by denying reality from the comforts of home via the internet.  So brave.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: trdsf on October 24, 2020, 09:58:05 AM
Trump: "nobody wants me", leaves event early (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/nobody-wants-me-trump-plays-sympathy-card-at-pennsylvania-rally-before-cutting-event-short-and-dancing-off-stage-to-ymca-b1200436.html)
And he's wrong as usual.  He has enough knuckledraggers out there that the election isn't the foregone conclusion that it should be.  For once, though, I agree with him in principle.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: bob nelson on October 24, 2020, 12:02:38 PM
  "America will NEVER become a socialist country"
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 24, 2020, 12:03:49 PM
This reminds me of a scene in Stargate SG1.  Stargate Command discloses the classified secret of the stargate to key ambassadors of four other global powers asking them to keep the secret, because SG1 needs their help to save the world.  The ambassadors get pissed because they had not been told of the secret before. The Chinese diplomat says, "I am afraid we will have to disclose this information to the Chinese people immediately, because our government does not keep secrets from it's people.  Everyone in the room turns and just looks at him silently with wide eyed but otherwise blank expressions.

China is master race!!  Are truth are inscrutibabble.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 24, 2020, 12:05:04 PM
Remember when bravery used to actually mean something?  Putting yourself in harm's way to protect others, protesting injustice knowing there's going to be a brutal authoritarian response.  Now it's defending everyone's favorite Sharper Image steak connaisseur against critcism by denying reality from the comforts of home via the internet.  So brave.

Protesting injustice freedom fighters like Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan and Charles Manson?  Those were the days my boys ...
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 24, 2020, 12:06:02 PM
  "America will NEVER become a socialist country"

Has been socialist since FDR ... please read a book sometime ;-))  All the Elites agree ... communism for me, fascism for you ;-(
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Blackleaf on October 24, 2020, 12:37:26 PM
  "America will NEVER become a socialist country"

Ah. So you're one of those gullible people who think Democrats have a secret socialist agenda. How original.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 24, 2020, 12:37:59 PM
  "America will NEVER become a socialist country"
I can't believe one guy is that stupid.  But we are and have been a country with many socialist programs.  And I seriously doubt you know what socialism is.  You only dislike it because your cult leader told you to.  It is clear you can't think so you need your orange monster (or one of his equally stupid minions) to 'think' for you.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 24, 2020, 12:57:21 PM
  "America will NEVER become a socialist country"
Serious question here: do you really think the DNC wants the USA to be a socialist country?

Follow up: can you accurately differentiate communism, socialism, and a capitalist state with social safety nets?  Take a guess as to which one American liberals typically advocate for.  It's an open book quiz, so you can ask a friend if it's too difficult.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Unbeliever on October 24, 2020, 01:21:35 PM
Ah. So you're one of those gullible people who think Democrats have a secret socialist agenda. How original.

Just more Russian propaganda, intended to create chaos. Seems to me there's enough of that already, but I guess there can never be enough for Putin and his crafty minions.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 24, 2020, 03:06:48 PM
I can't believe one guy is that stupid.  But we are and have been a country with many socialist programs.  And I seriously doubt you know what socialism is.  You only dislike it because your cult leader told you to.  It is clear you can't think so you need your orange monster (or one of his equally stupid minions) to 'think' for you.

I dislike communism because I hate atheist Jews with big beards who don't properly support their families because they think they are a famous thinker ;-)  Trump has nothing to do with it, he isn't Jewish, not atheist, and has no beard ;-))

It is reasonable to call anyone who supports the linking of corporations to state power ... a fascist.  Both US parties are fascists in that sense.  Lobbying brings that.  A party that would abolish corporations is communist.

"The leader of the 1917 Russian Bolshevik Revolution, Vladimir Lenin, once said, “The goal of socialism is communism.”" ... defang corporations then kill them.

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini

People who didn't implement fascism (Mussolini did) or implement communism (Lenin did) are posers.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 24, 2020, 03:10:55 PM
Serious question here: do you really think the DNC wants the USA to be a socialist country?

Follow up: can you accurately differentiate communism, socialism, and a capitalist state with social safety nets?  Take a guess as to which one American liberals typically advocate for.  It's an open book quiz, so you can ask a friend if it's too difficult.

The Elite want socialism aka the taxpayer supports the rich, and the Elite screw the taxpayers.  It is a form of asymmetrical predation by sociopaths.  The D/R duopoly do what the Elite tell them to, and the Deep State makes sure they do.

The more true this is, the closer you are to communism.  Why did Lenin support communism?  Because like Marx, he was a agitator writer who couldn't hold down an honest job.  This applies to Mussolini and Hitler too, but differently, in that they were originally agitator writers.  They supported Big Business and Big Government as a  partnership (see Krupps in Germany) ... they didn't call for Big Business to be abolished.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 24, 2020, 03:14:34 PM
Ah. So you're one of those gullible people who think Democrats have a secret socialist agenda. How original.

Not secret, a public thing since FDR/Truman/JFK/LBJ.  After the Boomer hippies took over they took a bad liberal thing and made it into even worse neo-liberal thing.  Got a social net?  Some do, but access is based on political pull and superficial victimhood status.  The greatest beneficiaries of socialism (see 2008) were the Elite.  Before that, the women benefited from Civil Rights far more than any Black did.  LBJ made literal war on the Black family.  The neo-liberals like Biden continue that war.  They treat criminals as necessary, and as controlled opposition (Black shirts).
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 25, 2020, 02:06:49 PM
"In Bizarre Freudian Slip, Biden Brags About Assembling "Most Extensive Voter Fraud Organization In History"" ... butterfly net guys chasing Biden

"Taibbi: With Hunter Biden Expose, Suppression Is A Bigger Scandal Than The Actual Story" ... Nixon didn't get in trouble for the Plumbers, but for covering it up

"Biden Boosters Dox Nuns For The Sin Of Attending Trump Rally" ... Biden is a very lapsed Catholic, the current Pope is a communist, and Biden supporters are often atheists

Current Hunter Biden leaks apparently coming from Chinese enemies of the CCP, who see the Bidens as friends of the CCP.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: bob nelson on October 25, 2020, 04:43:53 PM
 It's kind of hard to take seriously what someone says when their "name or I.D" for any web-site is a cartoon character or anime. I think, and this is just my opinion, that the reason that they're so angry and try to make things personal,is because politics is their "new" religion. Conseratives want to be able to raise their families and be left the hell alone. This country needs less government,not more. You can't tell us how to vote,how to think,or how to raise our families. The democrats want to control every aspect of our lives. If you truly believe that a corrupt career politican like
 Biden, who is clearly not mentally fit to run the country is actually the one calling the shots, then there's there nothing much left to say, except to tell you to GROW UP. Stop playing video games, put down the damn phone for one day,and actually talk to other people.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mermaid on October 25, 2020, 04:48:38 PM
Conseratives want to be able to raise their families and be left the hell alone.
Same for liberals.
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You can't tell us how to vote,how to think,or how to raise our families. The democrats want to control every aspect of our lives.

Same can be said for Republicans. We want to be able to marry who we want, to plan our families as we want, to follow the religion we want (or not) without having someone else's values forced upon us.

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Stop playing video games, put down the damn phone for one day,and actually talk to other people.
I agree. We white people need to listen to minorities. Really listen. And don't make assumptions that the world works the same for them as it does for us.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 25, 2020, 05:21:55 PM
"Outrage After WaPo Says To 'Treat Biden Leaks As Foreign Intel Operation - Even If They Probably Aren't'" ... Amazon (including Bezos of WaPo) and Walmart are Chinese intel operations.  Does Putin control China too?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 25, 2020, 06:24:57 PM
It's kind of hard to take seriously what someone says when their "name or I.D" for any web-site is a cartoon character or anime. I think, and this is just my opinion, that the reason that they're so angry and try to make things personal,is because politics is their "new" religion. Conseratives want to be able to raise their families and be left the hell alone. This country needs less government,not more. You can't tell us how to vote,how to think,or how to raise our families. The democrats want to control every aspect of our lives. If you truly believe that a corrupt career politican like
 Biden, who is clearly not mentally fit to run the country is actually the one calling the shots, then there's there nothing much left to say, except to tell you to GROW UP. Stop playing video games, put down the damn phone for one day,and actually talk to other people.
Ah.....the brain dead speatheth.  As usual, doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I know conservatives (is your orange monster really a 'conservative'.......aww, why ask when clearly the brain dead don't know what a conservative is..) just want to live as they want to---and to tell everybody else how they will live.  That's all. 
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 25, 2020, 06:28:14 PM
It's kind of hard to take seriously what someone says when their "name or I.D" for any web-site is a cartoon character or anime.
(https://i.dlpng.com/static/png/1311101_thumb.png)
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mr.Obvious on October 25, 2020, 06:52:41 PM
We can do one better.

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Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: SGOS on October 25, 2020, 06:55:53 PM
My name is gibberish, so you know I'm telling the truth.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 25, 2020, 06:55:59 PM
We can do one better.

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LOL.  I'm sure he would've listened and actually answered the hard questions if only my avatar were more respectable!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 25, 2020, 06:56:10 PM
I think, and this is just my opinion, that the reason that they're so angry and try to make things personal,is because politics is their "new" religion.
You mean like following a charismatic leader who can do no wrong, insisting that Pi = 3 because that's what their holy book says, and sometimes even advocating violence against nonbelievers?

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Conseratives want to be able to raise their families and be left the hell alone.
Tell you what, when the Dems get power again, I'll vocally oppose any government law that infringes on reproductive rights, advocate for marijuana decriminalization, and push for immigration reform so the government doesn't "accidentally" separate parents and kids.

Live and let live, right?  Surely we agree on this, don't we?

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This country needs less government,not more.
So, you're against increases in military spending?  Homeland Security?  ICE?  TSA?  Space Force?  Conservatives sure do hate government expansion, right?
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: bob nelson on October 25, 2020, 07:07:25 PM
 I have absolutely no desire to tell any body else how to live their life.Being an angry democrat or liberal(they are one in the same) must be very mentally and physically exhausting. Concern yourself with your own "little" opinions ,stop trying to rationalize what AOC and the rest of the "nutbags" say is best for our country, and live your lives to your own best abilitys. I couldn't care less what any ones opinions are of me(except my families) and won' t lose any sleep over any thing any one else says. "Facts don't care about your feelings". Vote with your heads, not your emotions. TRUMP 2020!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Mike Cl on October 25, 2020, 09:17:35 PM
I have absolutely no desire to tell any body else how to live their life.
Clearly that is bullshit--just like your cult leader you seem to only be able to lie.  Your posts have been all about telling me what to believe and how to live.  If I had wanted any shit out of you I'd have simply squeezed your head.  Why not crawl back into your hole and concern yourself with fighting with your family. 
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 25, 2020, 11:11:54 PM
My name is gibberish, so you know I'm telling the truth.

That is bigoted against the "barbaric" tribes ... we don't know what they are saying, it sounds like bar-bar.
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 25, 2020, 11:13:32 PM
I have absolutely no desire to tell any body else how to live their life.Being an angry democrat or liberal(they are one in the same) must be very mentally and physically exhausting. Concern yourself with your own "little" opinions ,stop trying to rationalize what AOC and the rest of the "nutbags" say is best for our country, and live your lives to your own best abilitys. I couldn't care less what any ones opinions are of me(except my families) and won' t lose any sleep over any thing any one else says. "Facts don't care about your feelings". Vote with your heads, not your emotions. TRUMP 2020!

Some people are concerned, if every little atom isn't in its proper place, such people convince themselves they are G-d ... which is ironic if they are atheists too ;-))
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Baruch on October 25, 2020, 11:15:51 PM
"Putin Defends Bidens, Becomes 'Visibly Irritated' When Asked About $3.5 Million Moscow Payment To Hunter" ... would have been even funnier if Putin had been this public in 2016 about supporting Hillary (which he was), because Hillary would have had to spin her head around 360 to sell the idea that Trump worked for Putin ;-))

"The Elephant In The Room: Florida School Revokes Parking Privileges Of Student With Trump Display On Truck" ... Commie Dems will revoke all driving privileges, it is a bicycle for you, comrade!
Title: Re: Trump Versus Biden
Post by: Hydra009 on October 25, 2020, 11:51:00 PM
Trump to donors: "very tough" to keep the Senate, "I think we're gonna take back the House" (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-gop-senate-debate-tough-election-2020-b1326156.html)

What a weird thing to say.  The Senate is more of a toss-up than the House.