Up until very recently, I was planning on either voting Green or writing in Gabbard. Since Biden actually stands a chance in my state now, I will probably vote for him and so long as the Republicans don't nominate someone as batshit as Trump next election use that one to start protest voting.
This election is unfortunately too important to waste my vote though.
I'm almost tempted to vote for Trump just to see how bad things can possibly get.
The trick will be ... Biden & who??
Personally I think replacing Trump with Biden is like sitting your pants and then changing your shirt.In thinking about all the presidential choices I have been asked to make over many years, this election offers the worst choices I have ever been given. Trump thinks America is great. Of course that's because he's running it. Biden thinks it's great too, the only problem being that Trump is running it. He seems to want to return to the Obama years, but Biden is no Obama, and those years are long gone. Granted I think Obama was one of our better presidents since I've been old enough to vote. But we've had so many shitty presidents that saying Obama was one of the better ones is hardly a ringing endorsement. In fact it's a mostly worthless endorsement.
How is this even a question?
Good point. During the Democratic Primary an effort was made to ensure we saw all 20 candidates. Now that the major party primaries are over, we are only supposed to see two candidates.I see one candidate.
I see one candidate.
Good point. During the Democratic Primary an effort was made to ensure we saw all 20 candidates. Now that the major party primaries are over, we are only supposed to see two candidates.That's sorta how primaries work.
Here's a whataboutism: What about #Unity2020 ?
So, now that the Democrats have picked their candidate, we are supposed to pretend the third parties don't exist and concentrate ust on these two.
Let's have it, stump for your preferred candidate.
Personally I think replacing Trump with Biden is like sitting your pants and then changing your shirt.
Well today is not the time to vote Libertarian. That party wants to act like Trump on steroids and burn everything and that means all the socialist programs, environmental and civil protections out the door. They even want to let the private sector run many things and have a naive approach to free trade and believe private companies are angels and won't screw us all to death.
The two party system is the natural development of a democratic republican system of power sharing. People alone are weak. So they form parties, churches, companies, unions to magnify their competitive power (and individuals lose their personal power to do this). Eventually, in a city or a great nation, a nearly balanced two party system is formed because third parties are weak and never get anywhere (sorry). This is partly because of the US system (Presidential system with pluralistic representation) say compared to Italy (Parliamentary system with proportional representation). The problem with parliamentary systems is that you are often forced into coalitions governments ... because the polity is too divided.You write that as if coalition governments are bad. I view them as a net positive because of the vibrant discourse and *gasp* concessions and *double gasp* compromises the elected official are willing to make. This in turn results in genuine discussion in public - I'm wary of people talking about disagreements between political parties as if nothing gets done.
One can argue as some do, that a parliamentary system is better, that proportional representation is better. But the name "Unity2020" is utopian. If there was just one person in your country, and they weren't schizoid, then you will have unity ;-) Otherwise, given the desire for power and money, unequal competition will result. And of course we have the one party dictatorship model of China. Unity by bayonet. The reality of human nature is that I am willing to put a shiv between your ribs to keep what I have, and get what I don't have ;-(#Unity2020 was, in large part, started by Bret Weinstein and has gotten a life of its own apart from its originators. I wouldn't dismiss it that easily offhand. We'll see if this rock will fly.
Actually I do vote, regularly, third party.Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc? Got a plan for pandemics? Global warming? Universal healthcare?
Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.
You write that as if coalition governments are bad. I view them as a net positive because of the vibrant discourse and *gasp* concessions and *double gasp* compromises the elected official are willing to make. This in turn results in genuine discussion in public - I'm wary of people talking about disagreements between political parties as if nothing gets done.
#Unity2020 was, in large part, started by Bret Weinstein and has gotten a life of its own apart from its originators. I wouldn't dismiss it that easily offhand. We'll see if this rock will fly.
The people who only desire power and wealth are simpletons.
Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc? Got a plan for pandemics? Global warming? Universal healthcare?
Do libertarians have any better policies this year than they did in 2016, 2012, etc? Got a plan for pandemics? Global warming? Universal healthcare?
Actually I do vote, regularly, third party.
Of course "this is the most important election evar" just like in 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016, so we can't afford to consider third parties.
I never thought I'd be in agreement with Draconic, but:
People that vote for libertarians are less respectable than any other voters, in my opinion. Yes, even less respectable than republican voters.
Plus, if you really think voting 3rd party is a good choice, let me offer you this suggestion that would do more to benefit you as well as our country. Try jerking off on to the voting booth and walk out without even voting. I guarantee it will have more of an outcome than voting for Jo Jorgensen or any other 3rd party candidate.
I don't know. I often feel that if I had been an American., I would be very tempted to vote on neither Republicans nor democrats. But I think I would vote, third party if I found one that fit my wants better.There needs to be two things to happen in this country, and possibly other countries, but I'm just going to talk for the U.S.
Would that vote ever make a difference? Probably no more than your specific vote ever would. Probably no less either. And if the only reason why it's concidered foolish to vote third party is that nobody ever votes third party,... Well that's the problem right there innit?
Look, I am in no place to get high and mighty. I think our country has the record of any industrialized western country of going without an elected government.
But I respect people who vote for voting, no more no less than that. And whatever choice, I respect making a choice equally. Even if one option aligns more than the other.
It's just that... Maybe I'm still young. But this American system does quite often seem to lead to a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. And no matter how much change y'all seem to want, you're just going to repeat that cycle every four years. And if that don't change, how can anything else?
Break the wheel, khaleesi.
There needs to be two things to happen in this country, and possibly other countries, but I'm just going to talk for the U.S.
1- There needs to be an abolishment of the party system, all together. No republican party, no democrat party, no 3rd parties. none of it. Just candidates and what they will do.
This will cause a few things to happen: voters will be forced to actually look in to who the candidates are and what they are going to do. Lobbies will also have a harder time bribing candidates, because of instead of bribing the party as a whole, they have to specifically target individuals. It will be more costly for them to spend money on the candidates this way and candidates will be bought out way less frequently.
2- there also needs to be an abolishment of the electoral college. For me, my vote literally doesn't matter. I live in New Jersey. A very "blue" state. Even though I will be voting Biden, it doesn't matter because Biden will win New Jersey no matter what... even if Biden literally shits himself in the debates, NJ will vote Biden.
In red states, no matter what, Trump will win.
It's all about targeting swing states. The fly-over states with no population and no industry... other than Iowa with their corn and Idaho with their potatoes, they have almost nothing. It doesn't matter if Biden or trump campaigns in texas or california or New York.... those states will always vote the way they will vote, but if the candidates target the swing states strategically, they win. And that is bullshit.
It needs to be individual votes. Not "did you win this state? here is 11 points to your victory!"
Look at this map. When you know which ones are red and which are blue, historically. You know which candidate has "free points towards victory" and then they just need to close the gap in the rest of the places.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Electoral_College_2016.svg/1280px-Electoral_College_2016.svg.png)
These two things need to be legislated. Not just "i'm gonna vote for who I think is the best" when that candidate is a 3rd party candidate.... Because unfortunately going off of the "if everyone voted for who they genuinely thought was the best, we wouldnt have a problem" isn't how shit works. It's not reality. We need a solidified solution. A legislation.
All very well put and thought out.If we riot, yes.
But, without any attempts at sounding condescending... Without judgment, ill intent or any malice whatsoever....
Do you think any elected Democrat or republican will enforce that change?
I don't know. I often feel that if I had been an American., I would be very tempted to vote on neither Republicans nor democrats. But I think I would vote, third party if I found one that fit my wants better.In a proportional voting system (or ranked voting), that would work just fine. But the USA's first-past-the-post voting system is structured to only truly support a two-party system.
Would that vote ever make a difference? Probably no more than your specific vote ever would. Probably no less either. And if the only reason why it's concidered foolish to vote third party is that nobody ever votes third party,... Well that's the problem right there innit?
If we riot, yes.
We either have to, as citizens, make them see profit in it, or see the adverse things that can happen for them, if change doesn't occur. I personally like the latter of the two. Fuck those assholes. They don't care about us... just themselves.
I'm fully in favor of countrywide riots until they buckle.
If we riot, yes.
We either have to, as citizens, make them see profit in it, or see the adverse things that can happen for them, if change doesn't occur. I personally like the latter of the two. Fuck those assholes. They don't care about us... just themselves.
I'm fully in favor of countrywide riots until they buckle.
After all, you westerners are generally, really, really stupid in the end.
After all, you westerners are generally, really, really stupid in the end.
That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.
That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.
In my opinion, the United States of America is the only country where people could actually collapse a system to build a new one. Actually, this is the second round of THE attempt to change this system which was already started in the past. But it is not a sprint, it's a marathon. You have passed the half mark. It is not just hard protesting either. You need to unite against the right nutters in every part of life from daily life to professional. You could do it actually.
This is not just about politics or elections. All groups against need to meet on a common denominator and stand up for each other. Learn to say NO to every kind of provocation. Boycotts of protests of all kinds.
If people learned to say no to be manipulated, resisted to be triggered, stop watching/listening any kind of propaganda and unite even without lifting a finger, every politician, party, state size corporate around the world would shit themselves right there and then and we would have smelled it from where we sit. LOL
What a dream...pffft
Might want to step it up to actual domestic terrorism.
Honestly, if those are your means, you'll practically need a full fledged civil war.
That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.
That's neither the intention, nor the means but the eventual end if forced for survival.
Not just talking about the States. It's good advice to everyone who thinks they're untouchable about not to get too comfortable with the popcorn and the feeling of fake safety.
After all, you westerners are generally, really, really stupid in the end.
That can be extended to all of humanity. IMHO.
Meanwhile trying to make sense of the chaos.
You are such an idealist. And think that the US is special, just like R or D politicians. Who knew?
Not only when one part describes themselves as the epitome of that humanity and the rest as the other, sweety.
And you are such a moron but I don't slap it to you. No, I don't think the US is special, I just know it is a concept -like too much people on earth- more than a country and trying to describe you some bits you can't see. I wish you would listen. At least a bit.
Sounds impossible to me. Isn't that a self contradictory sentence?I admit "trying" is doing the heavy lifting in that sentence.
I admit "trying" is doing the heavy lifting in that sentence.
Would you believe ... trying to make sense of a civil war/world war? That isn't chaos, that is deliberate.I could probably trace the underpinnings for a civil war or a world war and understand it.
I could probably trace the underpinnings for a civil war or a world war and understand it.
My point was more of a less-than-salient attempt at a point about the senselessness and indecipherability of reality. I'm not as optimistic as physicists - or what have you - attempting to explain it, or that any oné person can hold all this shit in their head simultaneously. We specialize for a pretty damn good reason.
Not only when one part describes themselves as the epitome of that humanity and the rest as the other, sweety.
Dems gotta do what Dems gotta do. How about civil war in Belgium? Sound good? No?
Sounds plausible. :( more than a few grenades have exploded in my city. Though they are suspected of being drug-related instead of politics.
Then again we are the epitome of artificialness when countries are concerned.
The fact That relatively few people who live in 'better conditions' tend to think like that because of those conditions, doesn' t make those in 'worse conditions' smarter. Were the places reversed, I bet the same thoughts would be held by the others. And in fact, group think is prevalent throughout the globe.
Because in general people are stupid, selfish and in no way shape or form 'inherently good' or altruistic. All people. No matter where 'power' resides. Be it west, east, south or north.
We suck. We can deal with that. Or we can't.
Yeah, the thing is the fact that the person who wrote his post and the person who liked it, are white heterosexual males talking about 'oh some people bad and stupid some or not'.Not only when one part describes themselves as the epitome of that humanity and the rest as the other, sweety.
Alright then...
OK. If it is not please tell me.
No, thanks. I think it is fine. Wouldn't know what I could contribute to that.
NO, It's NOT FINE. And you perfectly know what you contribute to or not. Let me spell it for you: LGBT+
You are full of yourself? Nah, inconceivable! (you know who you are)You've chosen your poison?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhXjcZdk5QQ
You people are just ... funny villains. Smart enough to not start a land war in Asia, but not smart enough to avoid the poisoned chalice.
My electoral calculus is pretty straightforward -- the Democrats started off with the simple fact that nearly any of the candidates down to the third tier would be a better president than Trump has been.Mine isn't so much calculus as it is basic math (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/506549-jill-biden-promises-if-bidens-elected-no-more-betsy-devos). While this primary process didn't go how I wanted (I didn't want petroleum flakes) and was kinda sketchy besides, I can't deny that Biden's a lot better than the alternative and perhaps some good can come out of it (https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/506432-sanders-biden-climate-task-force-calls-for-carbon-free-electricity).
President Donald Trump and his campaign have spent months deploying a series of attacks depicting Joe Biden as weak, unfit and a tool of leftists.I've seen some of the negative ads and so far it's just basic brain-dead republican talking points. "Radical leftist who will increase taxes and create burdensome regulations!" It tellingly omits exactly which policies are radical (policies that are watered-down versions of stuff our European allies accomplished decades ago) and who considers them to be radical, who these taxes will mainly apply to (it's fun to watch people who make 20k a year be outraged by the existence of estate taxes and capital gains taxes), and what problems these regulations are designed to address.
But as Biden rises in the polls, it's becoming increasingly clear that the attacks aren't sticking. So Trump's mission to define Biden to voters has proven difficult.
Trump flails and fails against Biden (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/difficult-attack-vanilla-trump-s-throwing-everything-biden-nothing-sticks-n1233097)
I've seen some of the negative ads and so far it's just basic brain-dead republican talking points. "Radical leftist who will increase taxes and create burdensome regulations!" It tellingly omits exactly which policies are radical (policies that are watered-down versions of stuff our European allies accomplished decades ago) and who considers them to be radical, who these taxes will mainly apply to (it's fun to watch people who make 20k a year be outraged by the existence of estate taxes and capital gains taxes), and what problems these regulations are designed to address.
My favorite anti-Biden smear so far is that he's some super far-left commie. Oh man, those are real gut-busters.
Trump really went all in on statues, which is weird considering most Americans' concerns are far more mundane. Simple stuff like not dying because some idiot can't cover his face, not getting evicted, getting back into the workforce without becoming a casualty of it, and access to affordable healthcare. Problems that Trump and his buddies have never experienced in their entire silver-spoon lives.
It's the economy, stupid!
I suppose since third parties in general and the Libertarian Party in particular are so bad I have to choose between a mentally challenged senile pedophile sex offender and a mentally challenged senile pedophile sex offender. Which senile sex offender is better? I really don't know.
Oh this outcome is going to be difficult. if the margin of victory is less than the number of potentially contested votes both sides will not only claim the other side cheated they will also claim foreign influence. Biden will say Trump is backed by the Russians and Trump will say Biden is backed by the Chinese.
By the way, how many elections did the US interfere with around the world?
A huge chunk of people from the left are still planning on writing in Bernie or whoever, and making it known getting rid of Trump will not be the end all be it. But a lot of them have drunk the Biden Kool-Aid. This man will not last a year in office.What is this based on? Gut feelings? Cause I'm looking at fairly recent polls that have about 87% of Bernie voters voting for Biden (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/upshot/democrats-united-poll-election.html) at the end of the day. I mean, FFS it would take a pretty bizarre Bernie supporter to prefer Bernie completely out of the picture over the Bernie-Biden taskforce.
You people still believe polls? And I am a Nigerian prince.Yeah, why even do statistics? :blahblah:
Yeah, why even do statistics? :blahblah:
Interesting news item today -- Ohio's former governor, Republican John Kasich, is expected to speak in support of the convention nominee this fall. At the Democratic convention (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ohio-republican-kasich-expected-to-back-biden-at-democratic-convention-2020-07-20).It'd be nice for the Republicans as well. They don't have to go down with the ship and won't be marginalized as Trump loyalists certainly will be. And truth be told, the Democrats' right-wing isn't all that far from the Republicans' left-wing, if they can make it over there. From there, they can just portray themselves as centrists and cast Trump as an extremist, rogue element who took over their party and steered it away from its core values. I dunno if I'd be very convinced by that, but I'm not the one they'd be trying to convince.
Kasich is still popular here in Ohio -- hell, I disagree with him up and down the line, but even I have some respect for him. If he makes it okay for conservative-leaning Independents and non-sociopathic Republicans to vote Democratic, that's very nearly game over.
It'd be nice for the Republicans as well. They don't have to go down with the ship and won't be marginalized as Trump loyalists certainly will be. And the Democrats' right-wing isn't all that far from the Republicans' left-wing, if they can make it over there. From there, they can just portray themselves as centrists and cast Trump as an extremist, rogue element who took over their party and steered it away from its core values. I dunno if I'd be very convinced by that, but I'm not the one they'd be trying to convince.I disagree with one thing here: Trump is not a rogue element, he's a distillation of what the main Republican party has become over the last 40 years: intolerant, racist, misogynistic, plutocratic, dishonest (even by politicians' standards), irresponsible and hypocritical. The real tragedy is that it's taken this long for a minority of well-placed Republicans to even notice there's a problem in their ranks. I mean, yes, glad that it's happening, but they've let the party go so far beyond the edge, I question whether it can be brought back without an actual schism breaking it into two parties.
I disagree with one thing here: Trump is not a rogue element, he's a distillation of what the main Republican party has become over the last 40 years:It almost makes me look back in nostalgia remembering William F Buckley. But that was back in the day when I could actually make some sense out of the conservative agenda.
Opinion polls is a sample size of the population of how they will vote. People know this.
Politics isn't even about facts or truth, that's a category error on your part - but you use this as a rhetorical device, miserably.
It almost makes me look back in nostalgia remembering William F Buckley. But that was back in the day when I could actually make some sense out of the conservative agenda.
It almost makes me look back in nostalgia remembering William F Buckley. But that was back in the day when I could actually make some sense out of the conservative agenda.I never thought I'd look back fondly (well, kind of fondly) at William F (fucking!) Buckley. :)
I never thought I'd look back fondly (well, kind of fondly) at William F (fucking!) Buckley. :)Shit, I never thought I'd look back fondly on Richard M (motherfucker!) Nixon!
It is how the people are chosen, how the questions are phrased. Back to Commie school for you, comrade ;-)Wtf are you talking about? If I ask the same question phrased differently a second time, you expect different answers?
Wtf are you talking about? If I ask the same question phrased differently a second time, you expect different answers?
Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. raised tens of millions of dollars in the last three months from major donors who gave more than $100,000, relying on some of the Democratic Party’s deepest pockets to sharply shrink President Trump’s financial advantage, according to new federal filings.
Mr. Biden’s biggest benefactors in the second quarter of 2020, when he became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, represent a who’s who of billionaires and influencers in Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Wall Street and beyond.Good? I suppose so. Politics is very much a fundraising game, after all. Though I do wonder what exactly these kind-hearted benefactors expect in return.
I hear the Trump campaign has already spent nearly a billion dollars! Biden better get busy betimes!
50% of White Americans Would Vote for Trump If Election Were Held Today (https://www.newsweek.com/50-white-americans-would-vote-trump-if-election-were-held-today-1523164)How ANYBODY can think the orange monster is helping them in any way (well, the 1%, would love him again), is beyond me. We really, really are, as a country, too stupid to live.
Overall, the poll found that 43 percent of voters would choose Biden in a present-day matchup whereas 40 would choose Trump. In a mid-July poll by Hill-HarrisX, Biden had a 7-point national lead over Trump.
Although the poll showed Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden beating Donald Trump in an immediate matchup among almost every other demographic, Trump led Biden amongst male voters 45 to 43 percent, Midwest voters 42 to 39 percent, Independent voters 35 to 33 percent, voters earning above $75,000 a year by 48 to 39 percent and voters aged 35 to 49 by a margin of 44 to 37 percent.
I understand why people vote against Democrats but I still don't understand why they believe Trump is the best person to lead the country or the Republican party. Imagine Trump was CEO of the company where you work and he's tweeting about celebrities and only looking at fiscal numbers that make him happy. Trump didn't "grow into the role" of president like many Republicans hoped. I know many people are worried about "the radical Left" but imagine what a really smart conservative could do in office. Trump is in some ways a blessing to Democrats because he's so incompetent. I can only assume Republicans are sticking with Trump due to the sunk cost fallacy.
And to those who say "but what about Biden?" I'm not talking about who the Democrats choose but who the Republicans choose to lead their party.
I can only assume Republicans are sticking with Trump due to the sunk cost fallacy.That's pretty much it. That and the unsavory reality that a lot of the traits Democrats and Independents hate about Trump are the exact same traits these people love - particularly white people who resemble that guy in a golf cart trump tweeted out. Rationality doesn't enter into it. That was only a facade anyway, hiding a deplorable interior.
I think the WH stonewalling of the recent covid relief talks with the Democrats is intended to make the Democratic party look like the bad guys when they take Trump to court over his upcoming exec. orders.
In non-Trump news (it exists, or so I'm told), Biden picks Kamala Harris as his running mate. (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/joe-biden-selects-kamala-harris-his-running-mate-n1235771)Yeah 'Pocahontas', as Trump calls her (for the dims) did better in the primaries. She would energize the Bernie supporters more perhaps. There is something seemingly 'executive' and sharp about Harris. I think 'seeming presidential' on TV is still a big deal and she has that.
It makes sense that Biden would pick a 2020 primary candidate, and Harris ran a strong campaign, winning states like...
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umm...
...you know what, nevermind. The point is she was there, and I guess that's something.
Her positions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Kamala_Harris) are generally pretty decent imo. Hopefully, she gets more mileage out of that in the general than in the primary.
Yeah 'Pocahontas', as Trump calls her (for the dims) did better in the primaries. She would energize the Bernie supporters more perhaps.That all depends on where she sits that day on universal healthcare. Bernie supporters really liked Warren at the beginning, but her reputation as a firebrand slowly turned to one of machiavellian opportunism (with little payoff, I might add). I'd rather have Harris at this point, imo.
There is something seemingly 'executive' and sharp about Harris. I think 'seeming presidential' on TV is still a big deal and she has that.Yeah, and that works. Any functioning adult. I'm serious about that, so I guess I'm ridin' with Biden. Besides, any meaningful change isn't going to happen until The Orange Plague is out of office.
Agolf Twitler(https://www.electronicproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/analog-mixed-signal-ics-communications-david-tennant-laughing-alot-gif.gif)
When two of your neighbors have a flag outside saying:"TRUMP: NO MORE BULLSHIT", and one was recently a democrat.
For some reason today I was thinking about Mondale / Ferraro.
I just can't seem to put my finger on why...
I read somewhere that Biden's support among the "black vote" is all the way down to 75% (typically 90% for Democrats) while Trump's is up to 15% (typically 5% for Republicans).I've always wondered how presidents pick running mates. I'm sure they have their reasons, some of which may be strategic. But in the end, they pick who they pick, and then it's up to us and the guys who write op-eds to invent the logic for why this was a good or bad choice.
I know some Democratic pollsters are sweating over that.
I read somewhere that Biden's support among the "black vote" is all the way down to 75% (typically 90% for Democrats) while Trump's is up to 15% (typically 5% for Republicans).
I know some Democratic pollsters are sweating over that.
I've always wondered how presidents pick running mates. I'm sure they have their reasons, some of which may be strategic. But in the end, they pick who they pick, and then it's up to us and the guys who write op-eds to invent the logic for why this was a good or bad choice.
Who would constitute Biden's dream team? What if Oprah was on the ticket? Michelle Obama?
I used to watch Oprah's 'Super Soul Sunday' sometimes just for the cringe. That D. Chopra guy is a trip. Not sure really sure why Oprah gives weight loss or marriage advice either. Priests are always giving marriage advice too. Like getting stock tips down at the soup kitchen.
I read somewhere that Biden's support among the "black vote" is all the way down to 75% (typically 90% for Democrats) while Trump's is up to 15% (typically 5% for Republicans).Gluteus maximus extraction? Drinking the bleach-flavored koolaid? Hmm..
I know some Democratic pollsters are sweating over that.They're sweating so hard they're trying to put the kibosh on mail-in voting during a pandemic?
I like Warren a lot, but she's from a state that has a Republican governor, who would have appointed a Republican Senate replacement.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/biden-floats-baseless-election-conspiracy/
Dat editor's note.
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And needless to say, a lot of mainstream Dems aren't on board with even that. I mean, the last president wasn't even on board with gay marriage at first and had to be talked into it (the policy, I mean, not the...nevermind).I'll just add here that it was Biden who forced Obama's hand on marriage equality.
I'll just add here that it was Biden who forced Obama's hand on marriage equality.I had no idea. How come his progressive bona fides (and policy positions in general) aren't front and center? He has a good track record on combating global warming and apparently helped make the clutch play in making gay marriage legal in this country. Yet, when it comes to how he's portrayed in the media and by the public at large, it's seldom anything more substantial than "he's more presidential" and "not trump".
I had no idea. How come his progressive bona fides (and policy positions in general) aren't front and center? He has a good track record on combating global warming and apparently helped make the clutch play in making gay marriage legal in this country. Yet, when it comes to how he's portrayed in the media and by the public at large, it's seldom anything more substantial than "he's more presidential" and "not trump".Believe it or not, the Dem convention, so far, has changed my mind about Biden. I was in the 'He's not trump' camp prior to now. I now think he would make a good leader, and his character and personality are just what we need--and the average person can relate. Plus I think he knows how to relegate tasks and power (a very important often overlooked aspect of leadership).
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The simple fact that Lord Dampnut won't commit to accepting the results of the election unless he wins[/i] should have every Constitution-respecting American ready to throw his orange ass out in November. This is about as un-American as it's possible to be, without actually committing treason.He is a traitor--his handling of the bounty on US soldier's heads is all the proof we need. He is clearly un-American by a multitude of his actions and inactions. If the entire body of of the Repubs in the senate were not cowards, traitors and un-American themselves, the orange monster would have been gone long ago. Throw Barr into that traitorous group.
(https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-declines-to-say-whether-trump-will-accept-election-results/ar-BB189THA?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout)
The simple fact that Lord Dampnut won't commit to accepting the results of the election unless he wins[/i] should have every Constitution-respecting American ready to throw his orange ass out in November. This is about as un-American as it's possible to be, without actually committing treason.
(https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-declines-to-say-whether-trump-will-accept-election-results/ar-BB189THA?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout)
He is a traitor--his handling of the bounty on US soldier's heads is all the proof we need. He is clearly un-American by a multitude of his actions and inactions. If the entire body of of the Repubs in the senate were not cowards, traitors and un-American themselves, the orange monster would have been gone long ago. Throw Barr into that traitorous group.
Sent links to all the younger ones in the family so they get their absentee ballots...they complain about things yet sometimes forget to vote. :cool:I'm showing up for early voting. With a face shield and hazmat suit if I have to.
I'm showing up for early voting. With a face shield and hazamat suit if I have to.
I'm showing up for early voting. With a face shield and hazmat suit if I have to.In CA our ballots will be mailed out on Oct. 5. As soon as I get mine, I'm filling it out and hand carrying it to the county election office.
In CA our ballots will be mailed out on Oct. 5. As soon as I get mine, I'm filling it out and hand carrying it to the county election office.
I had no idea. How come his progressive bona fides (and policy positions in general) aren't front and center? He has a good track record on combating global warming and apparently helped make the clutch play in making gay marriage legal in this country. Yet, when it comes to how he's portrayed in the media and by the public at large, it's seldom anything more substantial than "he's more presidential" and "not trump".Don't forget authoring the Violence Against Women Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act).
When did Trump bring ''the economy back''? I only just heard about that, but I don't remember it.
Now DJTJ says Trump shut down travel from China. He didn't do that, either.
This convention is job security for fact checkers!
This convention is job security for fact checkers!I suppose making a drinking game of it by taking a shot every time he tells a lie would just be organized suicide.
I suppose making a drinking game of it by taking a shot every time he tells a lie would just be organized suicide.
I suppose making a drinking game of it by taking a shot every time he tells a lie would just be organized suicide.I wouldn't make it past the first ten minutes!
I suppose making a drinking game of it by taking a shot every time he tells a lie would just be organized suicide.That game is rigged so Republicans always win.
That game is rigged so Republicans always win.
When Trump lies the Democrats drink, but Republicans think it's the truth.
After the convention is over, all the Democrats are dead from alcohol poisoning, but all the Republicans are still sober as judges.
No Democrats are alive to vote in the election, and Trump wins by a landslide.
America is great again, because no one that matters is around to protest.
First Lady Melania Trump concluded the second night of the Republican National Convention with a speech in which she said, "Total honesty is what we as citizens deserve from our president."So...someone else? Rick Astley, maybe? I dunno if the 22nd amendment would jive with him never saying goodbye, but at least he'd never tell a lie and hurt us.
Eric Trump suggested that his father had achieved peace in the Middle East and brought never-ending wars to an end.(https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-30-2015/5-qGwr.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/TI1foj2.jpg)I'm convinced that this is the kind of thing that won Biden the nomination. He says nice things but they don't translate into any meaningful outcome. So voters say, "Biden is a better guy the Trump because he will do what's right," which is not an expectation of a meaningful outcome. I want more than that. What does a president say he's going to do? Does he do it? And is it what I want him to do? I don't find philosophical bullshit inspiring. The proof is in the nuts and bolts.
I'm convinced that this is the kind of thing that won Biden the nomination. He says nice things but they don't translate into any meaningful outcome. So voters say, "Biden is a better guy the Trump because he will do what's right," which is not an expectation of a meaningful outcome. I want more than that. What does a president say he's going to do? Does he do it? And is it what I want him to do? I don't find philosophical bullshit inspiring. The proof is in the nuts and bolts.
And will someone please tell me who fucked up my mail? My Netflix dvd delivery is now 5 days later than Netflix tells me it will be here, and my medications from Canada are now weeks later than they were.
Citizens would rank choice issues they want addressed, such as affordable healthcare, reducing unemployment, etc.I haven't thought a lot about this as I have never even considered it before, although intuitively, I think this could be worked out, or some concept that is closely related to the idea. The problem with "intuitively believing this would work" is that intuition is not a great way to arrive at conclusions.
That would be ideal if extended to local government as well. Also need some sort of method to derive the list of issues that will be ranked.
I'm hoping the debates go forward. I've heard that Biden says he will fact check Trump during the debates. That raises two points that I find interesting.I thought this was hilarious, but aside from the humor, I don't think facts are that important to most voters. Some for sure, but for most not. I would arrange the following qualities in order of their importance to most voters.
1. The idea that Trump would use facts.
2. The idea that Biden could fact-check anyone.
I'm hoping the debates go forward. I've heard that Biden says he will fact check Trump during the debates. That raises two points that I find interesting.
1. The idea that Trump would use facts.
2. The idea that Biden could fact-check anyone.
Bob Woodward strikes again: during interviews earlier this year, the Oval Orifice admitted that a) he knew just how bad COVID-19 was and b) he deliberately downplayed it (https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/09/politics/bob-woodward-rage-book-trump-coronavirus/index.html).
And there are tapes (https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-woodward-book-09-09-2020/h_5bb44945ec0cf0eba9cdd92ab28fde3c).
Good luck spinning his own voice as "fake news"...
I thought that ad was hilarious! And as I understand it, being atheist or gay isn't the same as being communist, I have no fear of the atheist or gay hordes. The communists are another matter, and the rioters and other sociopaths. Those I will oppose.The "MyPillow guy has to be involved somehow :zzz:
Although a lot of people are saying that if the election isn't settled we will get an interim president Pelosi, they are actually wrong. There is a constitution remedy in the 2nd Article and the 12th Amendment.It would be the incoming new Congress, not the current one, to do the voting. However, I don't really expect enough, or even any, delegations to flip.
In the event that the elector college fails to pick, the decision gets sent to the House of Representatives. However, in spite of the Democratic majority, that won't result in a Democratic victory.
27 state delegations have a Republican majority. 21 states delegations have a Democratic majority. 1 state is evenly tied, and one state is 7D, 6R, and 1L.
How is this different from "I started 4 new wars and got a Nobel" Obama?
Right. The Bush fiascos. Bush senior does a half-assed job and has no after-war plan. And then Jr attacks Iraq and Afghanistan because Saudis and Egyptians blew up NYC and the pentagon on his watch. Again leaves Iraq with no plan just like his old man. Well it's all gawds fault anyways. He made them do it.
Trump's people used Russian MIGs and Russian Troops in a "support out troops ad". Sharp bunch? or just truth in advertising? Morons in any event.He didn't actually say whose troops to support... and he's so far in Vlad
He didn't actually say whose troops to support... and he's so far in Vladthe ImpalerPutin's back pocket, he probably thinks Russian troops are his anyway.
It would be the incoming new Congress, not the current one, to do the voting. However, I don't really expect enough, or even any, delegations to flip.
If the election goes to the next Congress, and if Democrats can flip the Senate (just possible), you could have the bizarre circumstance of the House choosing the Oval Orifice and the Senate choosing Kamala Harris. The 12th Amendment is silent on what happens if the Senate is evenly divided -- it does not say that the current VP casts a tiebreaker, although I imagine Pence would try to. And then we get the Supreme Court involved, and I have no idea how they would decide that one.
Shades of Hitler like actions:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/whistleblower-ice-hysterectomies-georgia_n_5f60d307c5b68d1b09c812b6
Forced hysterectomies. And we are the moral beacon for the world............
Scientific American Makes First Political Endorsement In 175 Years
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scientific-american-endorses-joe-biden_n_5f60e701c5b6e27db133a902
True, but how much do you expect the congress to flip? I'm not talking about Congress as a whole, which is already Democratic, but individual state delegations.Yes, I know that. I said I don't expect enough delegations to flip.
I find it odd and disturbing how inept the Democrats have become in the last couple of decades. They are perfectly capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory once again. The older I become the more I simply find myself understand less and less of the politics of this country. Except for one thing--money rules!
I haven't been out a lot but I've seen people with Trump t-shirts, hats, face masks, lawn signs, bumper stickers and giant flags. I've seen maybe a couple of Biden bumper stickers.I have not seen many Trump signs around here, even where I remember seeing them four years ago. They're definitely fewer and further between.
MAGA Visibility Is Making Democrats Nervous (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/maga-visibility-is-making-democrats-nervous.html)
... But this year the COVID-19 pandemic has understandably led Biden-Harris strategists to rely on more remote mobilization techniques, at least so far. And the contrast with the extremely visible advocates of MAGA, who are far less inhibited by public health guidance, is making some Democrats nervous, as TIME’s Charlotte Alter discovered in Michigan:
This year, 83-year old former Chrysler employee [Don Sabbe] says he’ll definitely vote for Joe Biden, but he’s getting concerned about Biden’s campaign here in Michigan.
“I can’t even find a sign,” Sabbe says outside a Kroger’s in Sterling Heights, where surrounding cars fly massive Donald Trump flags that say “No More Bullsh-t” and fellow shoppers wear Trump T-shirts for their weekend grocery runs. “I’m looking for one of those storefronts. I’m looking for a campaign office for Biden. And I’m not finding one.”
The reason Sabbe can’t find a dedicated Biden campaign field office is because there aren’t any around here. Not in Macomb County, the swing region where Sabbe lives. It’s not even clear Biden has opened any new dedicated field offices in the state; because of the pandemic, they’ve moved their field organizing effort online. ...
Since our longest war is winding down, I guess we'll need another enemy soon. My expectation is that it will be Iran, and soon, likely even before the coming ''election.''
According to the latest RealClearPolitics average, Biden is sitting at 49.3 percent in national surveys and has a 6.2 percentage point lead over President Donald Trump. That’s significantly higher than Clinton’s 44.9 percent mark this time four years ago, which was good for only a 1 point lead.6 point lead compared to Clinton's 1 point lead this time 4 years (Is "years" correct? Cause they feel like decades) ago.
It’s the same story in many of the battleground states: Biden is at or within 2 points of majority support in enough states to lock down an Electoral College victory, compared with Clinton’s low- to mid-40s scores in mid-September 2016 in the same states, some of which she would end up losing as late-deciding voters went decisively for Trump.Don't uncork the champagne though. Get out and vote like it's your last opportunity to vote. Cause it might be.
(https://i.ibb.co/nCZbSdp/putin-trump-kiss-mural-by-mindaugas-bonanu-2wj14h8zd0-480x301.jpg)
I fully expect to see the USA use a nuke before Trump's second term is finished. Maybe Iran, maybe Venezuela, maybe N. Korea, or maybe someplace not in play yet.
I haven't been out a lot but I've seen people with Trump t-shirts, hats, face masks, lawn signs, bumper stickers and giant flags. I've seen maybe a couple of Biden bumper stickers.Oddly, since I moved to a remote part of Virginia, I have lived in a sea of Republican signs. Many people here have left their Trump signs up since 2016, only updating the year of the election. In a 50 mile radius from my house, I have never seen one sign supporting a Democrat.. Until this year. There are two Biden signs within 10 miles of my house that showed up in the last month. I was stunned.
MAGA Visibility Is Making Democrats Nervous (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/maga-visibility-is-making-democrats-nervous.html)
... But this year the COVID-19 pandemic has understandably led Biden-Harris strategists to rely on more remote mobilization techniques, at least so far. And the contrast with the extremely visible advocates of MAGA, who are far less inhibited by public health guidance, is making some Democrats nervous, as TIME’s Charlotte Alter discovered in Michigan:
This year, 83-year old former Chrysler employee [Don Sabbe] says he’ll definitely vote for Joe Biden, but he’s getting concerned about Biden’s campaign here in Michigan.
“I can’t even find a sign,” Sabbe says outside a Kroger’s in Sterling Heights, where surrounding cars fly massive Donald Trump flags that say “No More Bullsh-t” and fellow shoppers wear Trump T-shirts for their weekend grocery runs. “I’m looking for one of those storefronts. I’m looking for a campaign office for Biden. And I’m not finding one.”
The reason Sabbe can’t find a dedicated Biden campaign field office is because there aren’t any around here. Not in Macomb County, the swing region where Sabbe lives. It’s not even clear Biden has opened any new dedicated field offices in the state; because of the pandemic, they’ve moved their field organizing effort online. ...
He is much less consistent on the military than a career politician, since he came up by a different route.Is that code for "horribly unqualified, erratic, and basically impossible to consult, therefore his policy positions are all over the place"?
His personal focus starts and ends with the economyThe economy is certainly his favorite talking point (though less so today, for some reason). Basically, if the stock market is high, he tells his cultists that he did it and they believe him.
He even called out the leadership of the militaryHe got into infantile spats with people who have vastly more knowledge and expertise them him. He may have occasionally come to a reasonable conclusion (exhibit A: Bolton) but the process by which he arrived there is a goddamn trainwreck.
As a vet I can say the grunts don't much like the leadership.Evidentially. Trump lags behind Biden even in the military (https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/), which is quite a feat considering that Biden is allegedly some super-left commie.
Trump won't nuke. He is much less consistent on the military than a career politician, since he came up by a different route. His personal focus starts and ends with the economy, and other stuff is to please his base.
He even called out the leadership of the military. As a vet I can say the grunts don't much like the leadership.
Most of Trump's supporters do feel better off than 4 years ago.
I think there was a sizable block of thoughtless voters who "just wanted to see what would happen".lol I have to admit, I was interested in seeing what would happen, not enough to actually vote for the guy, but I did start off with an intense curiosity. "Let's see how the Hell this is going to work out." Now if I were a Democrat, rather than a Liberal, I would have been doing a lot of hand wringing and had a bigger stake in the whole thing (probably), but as it was, I was curious. So I can see that some people may have said something like, "Well, we are getting nowhere with a Democratic leadership, I think I'll vote Republican." Although, I don't know how many people would act on that. Apparently there were a lot, especially in those states that turned red from blue, there had to be some serious dissatisfaction with the Democratic leadership. I don't know how many switched parties, or how many just stayed home. In fact, I believe this attitude has been growing among Liberals for a long time, and as much as Trump displeases those people now, I think that attitude still exists.
This is where I have to recognize I have a skewed perspective because it seems to me that many people regardless of political affiliation are frustrated, fearful and worried about the future. Polls have shown a large increase in Americans reporting anxiety, depression and increased substance use. I doubt Trump supporters are happy, I suspect they just don't blame Trump for perceived problems.If Republicans aren't happy right now, I'm at a loss to explain why. In the last four years, the Republican Party has delivered to its constituents far more than it ever has. They have changed the direction of the nation dramatically in ways matter to the average Republican. What's not for them to be happy about? Yes, Republicans failed at repealing Obamacare and probably a few other promises, but over all they have made tremendous strides during the Trump administration. They did their job and got it done as far as I can tell. Much of this is not the work of Trump, but he does act as a relief valve for right wing frustrations. He speaks to his supporters hearts, toxic and vulgar as he does, but in ways they seem to approve and understand.
I don't have any illusions about changing the minds of Trump supporters just as I can't imagine my own opinion of Trump changing. I would ask them the classic election question "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?"
Republicans have been in charge so if you like how things are in 2020 then keep the same politicians in office.
I think there was a sizable block of thoughtless voters who "just wanted to see what would happen".
My company offered to fund engineers to pursue an MBA degree. The class that affected me the most was marketing. The science of manipulation. The art of the 'spin'. The 'pull'. The 'push'. The tugging on emotion. The marketer, the politician, the salesman, the lobbyist, the priest, the magician, the extremist. All the same.
Anyone who exists way out on the wings has been manipulated. Facts are simply not out there by definition. However, statistics predict that they will happen to represent the truth on rare occasions. But that does not matter because it is buried their noise.
If Republicans aren't happy right now, I'm at a loss to explain why. In the last four years, the Republican Party has delivered to its constituents far more than it ever has. They have changed the direction of the nation dramatically in ways matter to the average Republican. What's not for them to be happy about? Yes, Republicans failed at repealing Obamacare and probably a few other promises, but over all they have made tremendous strides during the Trump administration. They did their job and got it done as far as I can tell. Much of this is not the work of Trump, but he does act as a relief valve for right wing frustrations. He speaks to his supporters hearts, toxic and vulgar as he does, but in ways they seem to approve and understand.
But I think you are right that people are more frustrated, anxious, and depressed that ever before. Probably more so than during the Great Depression. America is in a slide. Our global supremacy is in decline. We are more vulnerable, both in national security and economically. And worst of all we hate each other. But I suppose this is normal when people get frustrated.
That sounds familiar. But in a different way. Here, the religious government has been upset for some time because they KNOW they can't administrate. The country has changed so dramatically in the last 17 years, they can't believe themselves. They have been aware of it before the economical collapse few years ago. and they know they can't do anything either.
Would it be too much to say that as the republican brain team is not actually stupid, they perfectly know they can't really administrate the country?
The Funny thing is 15 years ago this wouldn't happen. Hell, 10 years ago it wouldn't happen. This angle wouldn't be there. I mean a political wing; a camp, wouldn't think this way, wouldn't care what is going to happen as long as they win, but then it would be obscure anyway. Not that anyone would put their minds into the future that way. LOL
I think I heard someone say "wash it." Don't know what was so dirty, though, except Trump's whole life.
These things aren't actually debates as I understand the term. Presidential debates are more like Jerry Springer reality TV.It's no Lincoln-Douglas, that's for sure. I've seen more rational disputes on friggin' Facebook. A big part of that is of course Trump but also the format has changed to soundbites and glittering generalities and thought-terminating cliches (it is what it is). That's what gets rewarded, not knowledge or expertise or rational discourse. Part of how we got into this mess in the first place.
I think I heard someone say "wash it." Don't know what was so dirty, though, except Trump's whole life.
I think Biden did about as well as he could in mess he ended up in. I would advise him not to do the other two.Presidential debates have become more and more pointless over the years. But refusing to debate, even in a pointless situation is a risky political strategy. Such wisdom would be seen as cowardliness by many. And the electorate, having grown up on reality TV, loves this kind of stuff. Biden did a mediocre job defending against Trump's bullying, which was mostly about all Trump did, but I think (and I often think wrong) that Trump gained more from the debate than Biden. My guess is that it wasn't a lot, but I'm pretty sure most of his core base was delighted. It's what his base referrs to as "Telling it like it is." It's not how accurate this cowboy is; It's how fast he shoots.
Who helped his election chances? Most analysts thought Trump did not. An instant CBS poll showed that slightly more voters thought Biden the winner than Trump. Doug Rivers of the polling firm YouGov wrote: “Trump did badly with his base. 15% of his supporters thought it was a tie, compared to only 4% of Biden supporters. Only 49% of Trump supporters thought it made them think better of Trump.”
Rich Lowry, National Review: “The key takeaway is that Trump set out to make Biden crack, and it didn’t happen.”
Nate Cohn, who analyzes polls for The Times: “What a mess. There was no winner, certainly not the United States. And that makes Biden the winner. He’s the frontrunner. It’s Trump who needed the win, and I think most anyone would agree, as Chris Wallace said, that the president was largely responsible for the debate.”
Presidential debates have become more and more pointless over the years. But refusing to debate, even in a pointless situation is a risky political strategy. Such wisdom would be seen as cowardliness by many. And the electorate, having grown up on reality TV, loves this kind of stuff. Biden did a mediocre job defending against Trump's bullying, which was mostly about all Trump did, but I think (and I often think wrong) that Trump gained more from the debate than Biden. My guess is that it wasn't a lot, but I'm pretty sure most of his core base was delighted. It's what his base referrs to as "Telling it like it is." It's not how accurate this cowboy is; It's how fast he shoots.I am clueless as to who will gain additional votes, if any. The core voters are irrelevant. Who are the "sway-ables" at this point anyways?
China, Russia, Iran and the virus won that debate. Even the stupidest, mildly racist redneck who is only capable of digesting guttural Fox news soundbites while pickling their liver with natty lites and paradoxically existing on Socialism Security and Federal Health Insurance Medicaid/care is a better human than the murderous Putin, the dystopian CCP or the theocratical Ayatollahs. However they are all threats to the human race because they care nothing of the 'fake' threat...the greenhouse effect. The suffering before it turns around will require a new adjective to describe. If you have young children, they and their children will grow to hate us.
We gotta pull together, somehow.
I am clueless as to who will gain additional votes, if any. The core voters are irrelevant. Who are the "sway-ables" at this point anyways?
But then there's this, which does not include an opinion from FOX News.I am torn. I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would. I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is. I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again! And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'. Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.
Just minutes after his answer at the debate, members of the Proud Boys and similar groups celebrated his response, flooding their social media channels with comments like “Standing by, sir.”https://time.com/5894497/donald-trump-white-supremacists-debate/
“The comments by the president were a huge win for the Proud Boys, which we should remember is a group who views its mission as literally ‘fighting Antifa’ as part of its ’defense of the West,’” Megan Squire, a computer science professor at Elon University who tracks online extremism, tells TIME. “They’ve now been blessed by the President on the world stage and the data shows they are extremely excited by this.”
Squire adds that her software monitors about a dozen Proud Boys channels on Telegram, and saw them become “very energized” after Trump’s comments at the debate, posting a flood of messages and new memes. “They’re even debating whether to go ‘back to Portland,’ and how to proceed,” she says.
Who won? Putin won. America lost, but at least it was entertaining.I watched half of it and turned it off in disgust. I hoped Biden would do better, but I don't know who could have done better. The whole thing was disgusting. But Biden's comment that resonated with me the most was during the Coronavirus segment, when Trump said he didn't want to make a big deal about the virus because he didn't want people to panic. I had been thinking about this for a long time. Biden said, "People understand the danger. They are not panicking. YOU PANICKED!" I wish he would have expanded on this.
The not-panic stance rings hollow considering how zealously he's fearmongered about "socialists" and Muslims and Mexicans and BLM and even Greta Thunberg, of all people. This is the kind of guy who claims that vaccines cause autism (be scared! be very scared!) but blocked the life-saving mask delivery because he thinks it'd freak people out. What a crock.There are super-computers aimed at our brains exploiting every weakness. We are constantly fed recommendations from special interest operated AI. All based on our personal internet history of record. A positive reinforcement feedback system that just cycles out of control for those who will easily believe. Hard times for many who are drinking from a fire hose of misinformation.
Who won? Putin won. America lost, but at least it was entertaining, which is about the best we can expect from a con artist like Trump.
I am torn. I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would. I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is. I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again! And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'. Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.
The not-panic stance rings hollow considering how zealously he's fearmongered about "socialists" and Muslims and Mexicans and BLM and even Greta Thunberg, of all people. This is the kind of guy who claims that vaccines cause autism (be scared! be very scared!) but blocked the life-saving mask delivery because he thinks it'd freak people out. What a crock.
There are super-computers aimed at our brains exploiting every weakness. We are constantly fed recommendations from special interest operated AI. All based on our personal internet history of record. A positive reinforcement feedback system that just cycles out of control for those who will easily believe. Hard times for many who are drinking from a fire hose of misinformation.
Post debate polling shows that a majority of voters still see Biden in the lead. I suspect this is just the inertia of pubic sentiment from previous polls. I had thought this may have been a turning point for Trump, given that he successfully bullied Biden and Chris Wallace throughout the debate. I'm also hearing most voters polled did not approve of Trump's tactics or the debate itself, which happily surprised me even more than people believing Biden "won" the debate. Even the debate commission, or whatever the thing is called, promised changes in format, but stopped short of including mike cut off switches for the moderator. Personally, I would make dead mikes automatic during the opponents 2 minute times, even if Trump wasn't part of it. At any rate these shameful media circuses should end.
Does anyone sense a deterioration in Trump's mental state during the last two years?
I am torn. I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would. I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is. I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again! And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'. Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.
I am torn. I suppose Biden will do the other two because he said he would. I hate bullies and that is all the orange monster is. I would love Biden to address the orange monster as 'Donald' and say something like this time and again--There you go Donald, lying again! And I hope Biden drills down on the orange monster telling the right wing white nationalists to 'stand down but stand by'. Orange is sending out signal after signal that there will be bloodshed if he loses the election--a civil war would delight orange.I don't often quote myself, but I have changed my mind. Biden needs to do the last two 'debates'. He needs to drill down, and drill down hard, on the orange monster's support for white nationalist organizations. And that he intends to use violence to control or negate the election process. Don't stop until orange makes his view very, very clear.
I don't often quote myself, but I have changed my mind. Biden needs to do the last two 'debates'. He needs to drill down, and drill down hard, on the orange monster's support for white nationalist organizations. And that he intends to use violence to control or negate the election process. Don't stop until orange makes his view very, very clear.
I was mightily unimpressed by the first debate. I think both of them performed up to their supporters' expectations but no better. They both did just well enough so that their supporters can say their candidate won and the other lost. I don't think anyone gained ground or lost ground, it mostly convinced the already convinced.
You're so full of shit you need someone's hand up your butt to scoop it out. I'm not volunteering...
;-)
There's going to be a Vice-Presidential debate tonight.
And it's going to have a plexiglass barrier between the candidates because the current VP is head of the coronavirus task force and might have covid through his boss, who recently hosted a largely maskless super-spreader event and now this virus is running rampant through his administration, which apparently wasn't competent enough to take even basic anti-virus precautions like masks and social distancing. (some, I assume, wash their hands)
4 more years of this okay with everyone?
"MAIL IN VOTING BACKFIRES, DEMOCRATS JUMP SHIP IN PANIC AS MAIL VOTES GET REJECTED IN LARGE NUMBERS" .. could have been done legitimately and efficiently with sufficient preparation, copying successful states, and not being a douche bagCA already had a vote-by-mail system in place. But this year they decided it wasn't good enough and they updated it. Maybe it works and maybe it doesn't
CA already had a vote-by-mail system in place. But this year they decided it wasn't good enough and they updated it. Maybe it works and maybe it doesn't
“I’m not going to waste my time on a virtual debate, that’s not what debating is all about,” Mr. Trump told the anchor Maria Bartiromo during a Fox Business television interview. “You sit behind a computer and do a debate — it’s ridiculous.”He only wants to debate if he can be within coughing distance of Biden, and those plexiglass shields don't exactly inspire confidence. 2020 will be remembered for Trump going off the rails and the fly on Pence's head. I didn't watch the debate last night. The campaign is getting silly. It's hard to take it seriously.
He only wants to debate if he can be within coughing distance of Biden, and those plexiglass shields don't exactly inspire confidence.Translation: Trump is a fucking coward, which almost all bullies are.
And before I forget, Pence said that Biden would ban fossil fuels (*clutches pearls*) shortly before praising Trump as some great conservationist. Did he forget that fossil fuels are a pollutant?
It just seems bizarre to scowl at environmentalism in your opponent and then praise it in your ally.
Translation: Trump is a fucking coward, which almost all bullies are.
Also, he desperately needs to not debate because of the damage he does himself. He's trying to get out of the debates any way he can. He's apparently decided looking like a coward and a petulant child is less damaging than trying to explain himself in public.
I hear they're going to have another boat parade for Trump, but I have a sinking feeling about that idea...
I had a scary thought. I need to forget about the news for now.
One probable scenario for the upcoming election IMHO: many Trump voters will physically go to the polls and it may initially seem more like a Trump victory on election night. Then as the mail-in votes slowly get counted it will shift to Biden over the next few days. If Trump cries foul and calls out (implied or directly) the tiny minority of armed goons, there may be violence. How, where and when, I do not know.
These fake 'militia' seem inept, mostly gun guys who rub on their AR15s late at night. However there is a slight chance they trigger a reaction from some moderates if these 'militias' manage to get themselves killed.
Thinking about what I'm reading lately, and all the information I've gotten from the past is that Republicans get money from big donors and Democrats get money from the riff raff. Of course the riff raff (god love us) doesn't have much money. I've heard about several Trump donors, or maybe it's just a few donors several times that fork over 100 million at a time.
But during the last couple of weeks, Biden is spending 40 mil a week to Trumps 20 mil. If the common knowledge (not necessarily accurate knowledge) holds, then it seems like Trump should be outspending Biden by millions each week, especially when he's running behind, but he's not spending, almost like he's blown his nest egg. Is he holding back until the last couple of weeks?
I had a scary thought. I need to forget about the news for now.I don't think this happens that often. I can't remember in my lifetime, when the winner of the election wasn't declared that evening. They always mention that there are still mail in ballots to be counted, but they never seemed to matter. Now they talk about mail in ballot's like they actually make a difference. Maybe mail in voting has only been kind of a norm in recent years. It's been only recently that I'm starting to hear friends say they've been voting by mail for years, but since they never said that before, I'm thinking, "Really?"
One probable scenario for the upcoming election IMHO: many Trump voters will physically go to the polls and it may initially seem more like a Trump victory on election night. Then as the mail-in votes slowly get counted it will shift to Biden over the next few days.
If Trump cries foul and calls out (implied or directly) the tiny minority of armed goons, there may be violence. How, where and when, I do not know.The first time I heard about this was a couple of years ago when some crazy preacher said that if Trump loses the next election, there will be rioting and shootout's in the street. Now, it's been like a rallying cry, but I think it's just hype. It's wishful thinking, and no doubt some right wingers would love it, but I don't think it's seriously caught on yet. Given time, hate speech can turn into actions, but I don't think we are there yet.
These fake 'militia' seem inept, mostly gun guys who rub on their AR15s late at night. However there is a slight chance they trigger a reaction from some moderates if these 'militias' manage to get themselves killed.They are like little kids playing "Army." They ARE inept, but bold, and they can do a lot of damage. Mostly their effect will be to intimidate. They are terrorists. Their purpose is to intimidate and wear down opposition, and attract other nut jobs to the cause. I'm thinking starting a bloody revolution is a long shot. They don't really have a plan for what comes after a revolution, but few revolutions do. It just leads to anarchy, followed by a power vacuum, and then some self seeking dictator that surfaces. Mostly these guys will get run over and squashed when the tanks show up.
"Kamala Harris was so disrespectful, so unlikeable. Unlike our guys."Republicans are just bigger versions of grade school kids.
"Kamala Harris was so disrespectful, so unlikeable. Unlike our guys."
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=631667860849705
Republicans are just bigger versions of grade school kids.
Thinking about what I'm reading lately, and all the information I've gotten from the past is that Republicans get money from big donors and Democrats get money from the riff raff. Of course the riff raff (god love us) doesn't have much money. I've heard about several Trump donors, or maybe it's just a few donors several times that fork over 100 million at a time.That's something that seems true, but it doesn't appear to be the case.
His [Trump's] campaign and the Republican National Committee spent almost all the money they took in during August, though they were still outspent by Biden's campaign and the Democratic National Committee, according to the filings.
On television advertisements, Biden outspent Trump nearly 4 to 1 in August, according to the tracking firm Ad Analytics.
Trump's campaign bought no ads on local TV in Pennsylvania, Michigan and New Hampshire, and was outspent by Biden significantly in Florida, North Carolina and Wisconsin.
There isn't really much of a Trump campaign, I think, because the GOP is expecting to successfully steal the election, so why spend all that money now. They're only going through the motions so it won't t be so obvious that they're going to reinstall Trump no matter what it takes.
Fox News is calling for Biden to put country ahead of party.
They didn't even try to get T.rump to do the same.
Fox News is calling for Biden to put country ahead of party.
They didn't even try to get T.rump to do the same.
They expect us to believe that Biden is a Socialist, that he's going to abolish the police and abolish the prisons? Please.I've wondered about this. Are they so out of touch that they don't realize Biden is actually a moderate? Maybe, maybe not.
Virginia’s Citizen Portal has gone down due to a cut fiber on Tuesday, preventing people from registering to vote online on the last day of voter registration before the Nov. 3 election, the Department of Elections says.There was a cut fiber somewhere in the vicinity of Richmond.
Residents can still register to vote by mailing in or dropping off paper applications.
Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax said that outages are reported statewide and called for the voter registration deadline to be extended beyond Tuesday. However, the Board of Elections hasn't announced plans to adjust the deadline.
There was a cut fiber somewhere in the vicinity of Richmond.
Early voting starts in two days and my husband told me he has changed his mind and is going to vote for Biden. Because NC is a battleground state I do think every vote matters.
Early voting starts in two days and my husband told me he has changed his mind and is going to vote for Biden. Because NC is a battleground state I do think every vote matters.NC is absolutely crucial. Going in person asap. Anticipating a long wait. Gonna crawl on broken glass if I have to for this one, just to have the satisfaction of seeing that ballot get counted.
NC is absolutely crucial. Going in person asap. Anticipating a long wait. Gonna crawl on broken glass if I have to for this one, just to have the satisfaction of seeing that ballot get counted.
Better not be any electoral shenanigans.
Yesterday, I saw another Biden/Harris sign in my county. That makes a total of three, or somewhere less than .01% of all the signs county wide. There are probably more, but this represents a 20 mile radius of my house on the more traveled secondary roads, which are actually not that well traveled. This is southwestern Virginia's version of "Democrats coming out of the woodwork." Usually, there are no Democratic signs at all.I live in CA, but in a county that went Bush both times and trump the last time. I have not seen a trump nor Biden sign in my neighborhood, which is quite strange. And I have seen only one presidential sign in any part of town--a Biden/Harris sign. Usually those signs are everywhere. The city, county and state signs are everywhere.
Yesterday, I saw another Biden/Harris sign in my county. That makes a total of three, or somewhere less than .01% of all the signs countywide. There are probably more, but this represents a 20-mile radius of my house on the more traveled secondary roads, which are actually not that well-traveled. This is southwestern Virginia's version of "Democrats coming out of the woodwork." Usually, there are no Democratic signs at all.
Trump’s contention that he’ll attract Sanders voters is based on the notion that he’s an economic populist and that voters on the left will overlook his record on race, immigration, and women, and spurn Joe Biden at the polls. The idea that Trump could win over a meaningful percentage of Sanders voters and left populists first originated with former Trump advisor Steve Bannon, who put this theory into action with disastrous results that led to his ouster from the White House.
According to a tracking poll from Drew Linzer of the data analytics firm Civiqs, people who supported Sanders in the Democratic primaries now favor Biden over Trump 84% to 4%. And Trump’s 4% is unlikely to grow: 94% of Sanders supporters have an unfavorable view of the president.In 2016, Trump ran on a fake populism platform which most Sanders supporters correctly deduced was a lie. This year, he's running on tear gas and plague. Unfavorable is a bit of an understatement.
Judge orders Virginia voter registration extended (https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/federal-judge-orders-virginia-voter-registration-deadline-to-be-extended/article_0865ecff-a3e7-524d-bca2-5fe390543392.html). This in response to a cable severed in an apparent job-site accident on the last day of voter registration, depriving some potential voters of the right to vote.
It was kind of boring actually, but that's just what I've been craving for years!I could really go for some boring after the last few years.
How did Trumplestilskin do in his latest campaign rally? I thought Biden did well in his conversation with voters. It was kind of boring actually, but that's just what I've been craving for years!
People in my Facebook feed are seriously trying to spread this story that Biden's family are the "most corrupt political family in history." Umm... Have you forgotten Trump's family? Yeah, kinda hard to take you seriously when we still have the guy who flirts with dictators, murderers, and white supremacists in the White House.
People in my Facebook feed are seriously trying to spread this story that Biden's family are the "most corrupt political family in history."Always projection with these people. You can actually use that to get a pretty solid bead on what they're up to. Corruption. Election fraud. Fake...everything. Etc.
“Could you imagine if I lose?” Trump said Friday evening at a campaign rally in Macon, Ga. “My whole life, what am I going to do? I’m going to say, 'I lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics.' I’m not going to feel so good. Maybe I’ll have to leave the country. I don’t know.”Say hi to Snowden for me.
Oh, my god. Now they're trying to say that Obama and Biden faked Osama Bin Laden's death. This is hilarious shit. Trump is just throwing shit at the wall, and seeing what sticks. He's getting desperate.I don't think it's hilarious. He is clearly just making shit up, and all of it's sticking. His base believes every word that comes from his disgusting mouth. It worked great at the last election. Hillary-gate and all.
I don't think it's hilarious. He is clearly just making shit up, and all of it's sticking. His base believes every word that comes from his disgusting mouth. It worked great at the last election. Hillary-gate and all.
The emails thing is more believable. Even if I do thing it's horseshit. But the idea that Bin Laden was never actually killed? Where's he been all this time? Wouldn't he want to let people know he was still causing trouble for America? I mean, which is easier, killing Bin Laden or finding a body double to play the part of Bin Laden, killing the double, then shooting down the soldiers who took part to cover it up? Trump's loyal sheep will lap it up, of course, but I don't think the general public is stupid enough to take that seriously.I listened to a podcast about this and bear in mind that these people are supposed to be more or less average Americans (queue the general idiocy) and their general impression is that the operation was so sudden, the body disposed of so quickly, and not really documented that it comes across as very suspicious. This whole chain of events is fertile ground for conspiracy/denialism and therefore Trump's assertion is somewhat reasonable and whether or not Bin Laden is dead is an open question.
Oh, my god. Now they're trying to say that Obama and Biden faked Osama Bin Laden's death. This is hilarious shit. Trump is just throwing shit at the wall, and seeing what sticks. He's getting desperate.
Even God has no idea what Trump is going to say next.
Even God has no idea what Trump is going to say next.Like all humans, the issue is not so much what they say, as what they wish they could. With tRump, that is a very scary.....
Like all humans, the issue is not so much what they say, as what they wish they could. With tRump, that is a very scary.....
People in my Facebook feed are seriously trying to spread this story that Biden's family are the "most corrupt political family in history." Umm... Have you forgotten Trump's family? Yeah, kinda hard to take you seriously when we still have the guy who flirts with dictators, murderers, and white supremacists in the White House.Not to mention the Bush family's long-standing relationship with the House of Saud and their protection of the nation from which most of the 9/11 terrorists came from. There are a lot of Republicans to get through before the Biden family is even the smallest blip on the criminality radar.
Not to mention the Bush family's long-standing relationship with the House of Saud and their protection of the nation from which most of the 9/11 terrorists came from. There are a lot of Republicans to get through before the Biden family is even the smallest blip on the criminality radar.
Trump: if Biden is elected, he'll listen to the scientists (https://www.axios.com/trump-warns-lockdowns-if-biden-elected-scientists-c1263b65-15c9-47a1-9d6b-63161f6c5170.html)
Well, after all, SGOS, money is free speech.What happens to the money they don't spend, or does that never happen?
Trump: if Biden is elected, he'll listen to the scientists (https://www.axios.com/trump-warns-lockdowns-if-biden-elected-scientists-c1263b65-15c9-47a1-9d6b-63161f6c5170.html)
Some kind of record breaking super pac is funding mega millions to Biden, who is apparently outspending Trump by double or something like that. I guess this is considered some kind of indicator of who's ahead, but I'm astounded at why blatant ads can be that effective. Ads are not like actual news coverage, which seems like a better indicator of who would be the better choice. People are affected by ads to be sure, which is what Madison Ave is all about, but ads don't tell you what you need to know. They are mostly lies, whether they are for a political candidate or Ibuprofen. And mega millions of ads funneled into a swing state seems like it would get tiresome.
Maybe a big campaign war chest tells us that more people support a candidate, but who are these people? Big money comes from big corporations, with their own motives, and of course they are going to pour money into Biden's account, because he's the most likely winner. No sense giving Trump money if he's not going to be there to do your bidding. It's not like giving money to a candidate is an endorsement, It's about buying the candidate. It tells us who the winner will be doing the favors for, and it's most likely not going to be you.
What happens to the money they don't spend, or does that never happen?
What happens to the money they don't spend, or does that never happen?I've wondered that myself. Is that one of the reasons there are no poor people serving in congress--either house?? With the orange monster, there is no mystery--like a good mob boss, it goes into his pockets.
What does that even mean? Is he mocking? What is it? America is not in depression? The world is in depression, America is not floating in space.Trump claimed that the scientists would lock everything down (apparently for no reason) slowing down the economy. So yes, he meant listen to the scientists as if it were a bad thing.
The thing with people who think they hold absolute power is that they see the world in black and white and the world is never black and white. So he's actually been doing what he claims is harmful for the country the whole time.
I also wonder what he understand from the word 'scientist'. Whats her face, the demon sex lady? Isn't that the scientist for these people?
In one of his most bizarre and incoherent performances to date, president Donald Trump on Tuesday night told a Pennsylvania rally "nobody wants me" before cutting the event short and dancing off the stage to YMCA.
Outmuscled financially and trailing Joe Biden in most national and battleground polls, Mr Trump did not appear to be his usual energetic self, as he addressed thousands of Make America Great Again supporters crammed into a chilly and dark Erie International Airport.
Two weeks out from election day the president, 74, complained about the temperature, which had been hovering around 10C (50F) telling the crowd he was only there because he was losing, a highly unusual move – even for a president as unpredictable as Mr Trump.
At one point, the commander-in-chief appeared to be trying to get the crowd to feel sorry for him, telling them "nobody wants me".
I've wondered that myself. Is that one of the reasons there are no poor people serving in congress--either house?? With the orange monster, there is no mystery--like a good mob boss, it goes into his pockets.
"nobody wants me"
Maybe he is coming down from some substance?
Long voting line tip: Rent a walker with a seat.
Maybe he is coming down from some substance?
Long lines keep the proletariat in line. We are now about where the Soviet Union was in 1950. America is Great Again.
He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.
He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.It was hard to read his body language in that little snippet. I would say he looked dramatically unlike himself, but what he was feeling I'm not sure. I though maybe resignation to his likely loss in November? He was trying to make a joke about not being wanted by China and Iraq, but he looked worn out, which would be natural in recovery from Coronavirus, and we don't know when they took him off the Dex, so he could be crashing. I wonder if he's going to be too tired to bully Biden tomorrow night. I plan on watching the "debate" for at least 20 minutes, and then turning it off, unless it's actually interesting and not a version of reality TV.
He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.Why do I have this mental image of baby boomers/X leaving a country half-flooded and half-on-fire to an early onset diabetic generation that has started adulthood in-debt, living in their parent's (2nd mortgaged) house with a shelf full of participation trophies while a pandemic rages needlessly?
I'll tell ya, my parents didn't wanna be my friend and didn't give a damn about seeming cool to my friends. In fact they went out of their way to embarrass me by being as uncool as they could be. Hell, I love them !
Being on the Boomer-X cusp myself...I am rooting for millennials. They are way more socially conscience, green minded, mostly godless and when they get their shit together they will save the planet and the species.I mean, we're sorta more liberal than previous generations (true of Gen Z as well) but there's one incy wincy problem...
He was apparently on a very powerful steroid. So maybe. Or maybe he's finally getting the hint that the only people who like him are evangelical nutcases, white supremacists, rednecks, and evangelical white-supremacist rednecks. And the super rich, of course.
I mean, we're sorta more liberal than previous generations (true of Gen Z as well) but there's one incy wincy problem...
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It's all that avocado toast and vidja games, surely...
Why do I have this mental image of baby boomers/X leaving a country half-flooded and half-on-fire to an early onset diabetic generation that has started adulthood in-debt, living in their parent's (2nd mortgaged) house with a shelf full of participation trophies while a pandemic rages needlessly?
Holy run-on sentence Batman.
Yeah it's probably the drugs and they'll adjust the dose or come up with a better arrangement. Or it is some sort of an act.
But wouldn't they know that? For whatever reason he is taking it, they would know it has side affects like this. Because this is not a 70 something year old living at the next door whose behavioural disorders only affect the wife, the dog and neighbours who constantly avoids him. He is a president.
If it is an act or a combination of drugs and act; if they are letting it happen for the means of some strategy, it is gonna get really creepy. I swear, I can picture him crying in front of the cameras; telling how much he loves you all one by one, how he was thinking about only you when he did anything and for this great country OR even blaming some deep state for the last 4 years on whatever he has said and done. It's going to be a Rick and Morty episode, buckle up.
In any case, the moment he is sure he can't get elected again, he will cry. Mark my words.
They haven't been able to control the President's behavior before. Why start now?
Frank Albergo, president of the Postal Police Officers Association, said the order to stand down, coming so close to the election, is especially concerning. “If I was going to undermine public trust in the mail, one of the first things I would do is pull postal police off the street,” he said.
NYT: During the first two minutes each candidate speaks in each of the six 15-minute segments, his opponent’s microphone will be muted. After those initial statements in each segment, both mics will be turned on and are not expected to be cut off during the rest of the segment, even if one candidate keeps interrupting the other or eats up time talking.Is this better than nothing? 4 minutes without interruption followed by an 11 minute free for all in each segment. Trump is probably brushing up on his interruptions right now. The news still can't resist the reality TV format. I'm going to give myself 8 minutes for the debate. I promise myself 8 minutes. It could be longer. I already voted so the debate doesn't help me. I received a dvd from Netflix today with the first 4 episodes of Penny Dreadful, it's in the drive and ready to go. I'm good, here. So you guys don't have to worry about me.
I expect another debacle, but I must watch as if it were a traffic fiasco.
It was availble here live in the wee hours. I haven't watched it. Afraid to look up or ask about it. How was it?
It was availble here live in the wee hours. I haven't watched it. Afraid to look up or ask about it. How was it?I watched about 25 min. of it, and most of that was to keep my wife company. I find I get sick to my stomach watching tRUMP for more than a few min. Orange kept his cool for the 'debate', but that just seemed to make the lies stand out more. I think he actually will come out as worse today than yesterday. All Biden had to do was not to lose, and he achieved that much anyway. My wife braved the entire show, and feels the same way.
I watched about 25 min. of it, and most of that was to keep my wife company. I find I get sick to my stomach watching tRUMP for more than a few min. Orange kept his cool for the 'debate', but that just seemed to make the lies stand out more. I think he actually will come out as worse today than yesterday. All Biden had to do was not to lose, and he achieved that much anyway. My wife braved the entire show, and feels the same way.
Republicans put up anti-trump billboards in NC (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article246590693.html)
Hmm. So it was OK, as much as it can be.
But I'm not sure that 'the light tone' is good news from a different perspective. It means, he knows he could lose for real and while that's very good, it also means he is still acting out of 'character'. What is he capable of doing at a point he has nothing to lose after losing the elections? There is a huge difference between losing the first one and losing the second one, not to mention esp. in his position.
Because I hate to say it, but this is not going to end clean with Trump himself, am I wrong? Does it work that way? I wish it did. How many ways they have been trying to sue this man for the last 4 years? Democrats will try to reverse everything he did and they will jump the whole nine yards from international politics to his private life. And he's burned a lot of bridges too, somebody will have to pay the bill. Will republicans own up to him if he loses? To what end? Is he going to retire form politics? I don't know what to think about that but probably not. Maybe forced to?
Also people could start to talk when he steps down. Just what has been going with the staff the least would explode, imo. Then the officials. Who resigned in the last 4 years, when, why? It feels like a period of 'Trump scandals' could start if he loses. I dunno. And it will radicalise politics and people more at both sides, deepen the adversity and invite more divisive policies. Sigh. oooff.
How any one with any common sense could vote for a corrupt career politician with dementia and a running mate who slept her way into office and is the "real" candidate baffles me. I kept waiting for willie brown to show up at one of their events, must have been paid off. Buy the way, people keep saying that trump is a liar, what specifically has he lied about? TRUMP2020!
How any one with any common sense could vote for a corrupt career politician with dementia and a running mate who slept her way into office and is the "real" candidate baffles me. I kept waiting for willie brown to show up at one of their events, must have been paid off. Buy the way, people keep saying that trump is a liar, what specifically has he lied about? TRUMP2020!
If you take any thing that the "atlantic" prints as non-biased,then you must also watch CNN & MSNBC all day.Where, pray tell, do you get your news from? Probably something super non-biased and factual, given your dismissal of mainstream sources.
Buy the way, people keep saying that trump is a liar, what specifically has he lied about?For starters, he said that Obama founded ISIS (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/donald-trump-obama-founder-isis-most-valuable-player) (and tellingly, didn't back it up in any way)
How any one with any common sense could vote for a corrupt career politician with dementia and a running mate who slept her way into office and is the "real" candidate baffles me.Biden is a career politician, no doubt about it, but the rest of your accusations sound like things that are only known to you. Where did you get that information? From Baruch?
Trump didn't say obama founded isisHe literally said those exact words several times, even when given the softball of "well, you really meant that the Iraq troop withdrawal set the stage for ISIS to seize territory, right?"
Well, I'll give you one thing, Bob. It's brave of you to come out as a Trump supporter here. You're not alone, but I hope you came prepared.Could be brave. Most likely too stupid to know the difference. That is why he comes up with stupid stuff like--'what lies?' Trump lies every time he speaks or twitters. It has been documented. But he simply does not care.
I wonder how Trump's supporters will feel after he's been in the office for another four years.
If you take any thing that the "atlantic" prints as non-biased,then you must also watch CNN & MSNBC all day. Think about it, not having the facts about this once in a lifetime unknown disease, and knowingly lying about it are two entirely different things. Unlike the media and the democrats,who tried everything they could to undermine our response and cause panic, and refusing to do anything to stop the rioting in their shit-hole cities is pathetic.I live in wash. state and the response by our democrat mayor and governor to all of this bullshit rioting and "peaceful" protesting is border line criminal.If the democrats ever get in power,we can kiss our freedom and our grandkids futures goodbye. TRUMP2020
He literally said those exact words several times, even when given the softball of "well, you really meant that the Iraq troop withdrawal set the stage for ISIS to seize territory, right?"
Maybe he just thought of it as a "punchier" version of what he actually meant (baffling as to why his supporters say that 'he tells it like it is' when they so often have to tie themselves into knots with 'what he really meant was...')
Let's assume that one is just Trump being Trump and saying stuff he doesn't really mean.
Here's 19,999 more (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/07/13/president-trump-has-made-more-than-20000-false-or-misleading-claims/). Get cracking.
Here's a good one: "Dems want to shut your churches down, permanently" (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/08/donald-trump/trump-falsely-claims-democrats-want-shut-your-chur/)
I wonder how Trump's supporters will feel after he's been in the office for another four years.
Could be brave. Most likely too stupid to know the difference. That is why he comes up with stupid stuff like--'what lies?' Trump lies every time he speaks or twitters. It has been documented. But he simply does not care.This reminds me of a scene in Stargate SG1. Stargate Command discloses the classified secret of the stargate to key ambassadors of four other global powers asking them to keep the secret, because SG1 needs their help to save the world. The ambassadors get pissed because they had not been told of the secret before. The Chinese diplomat says, "I am afraid we will have to disclose this information to the Chinese people immediately, because our government does not keep secrets from it's people. Everyone in the room turns and just looks at him silently with wide eyed but otherwise blank expressions.
Think about it, not having the facts about this once in a lifetime unknown disease, and knowingly lying about it are two entirely different things.Hey, easy now. We are only trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt by calling it a lie. Otherwise we have to explain it with phrases like "incompetent know-it-all." We work hard here to be as bipartisan as possible so please be polite.
It's brave of you to come out as a Trump supporter here.Remember when bravery used to actually mean something? Putting yourself in harm's way to protect others, protesting injustice knowing there's going to be a brutal authoritarian response. Now it's defending everyone's favorite Sharper Image steak connaisseur against critcism by denying reality from the comforts of home via the internet. So brave.
Trump: "nobody wants me", leaves event early (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/nobody-wants-me-trump-plays-sympathy-card-at-pennsylvania-rally-before-cutting-event-short-and-dancing-off-stage-to-ymca-b1200436.html)And he's wrong as usual. He has enough knuckledraggers out there that the election isn't the foregone conclusion that it should be. For once, though, I agree with him in principle.
This reminds me of a scene in Stargate SG1. Stargate Command discloses the classified secret of the stargate to key ambassadors of four other global powers asking them to keep the secret, because SG1 needs their help to save the world. The ambassadors get pissed because they had not been told of the secret before. The Chinese diplomat says, "I am afraid we will have to disclose this information to the Chinese people immediately, because our government does not keep secrets from it's people. Everyone in the room turns and just looks at him silently with wide eyed but otherwise blank expressions.
Remember when bravery used to actually mean something? Putting yourself in harm's way to protect others, protesting injustice knowing there's going to be a brutal authoritarian response. Now it's defending everyone's favorite Sharper Image steak connaisseur against critcism by denying reality from the comforts of home via the internet. So brave.
"America will NEVER become a socialist country"
"America will NEVER become a socialist country"
"America will NEVER become a socialist country"I can't believe one guy is that stupid. But we are and have been a country with many socialist programs. And I seriously doubt you know what socialism is. You only dislike it because your cult leader told you to. It is clear you can't think so you need your orange monster (or one of his equally stupid minions) to 'think' for you.
"America will NEVER become a socialist country"Serious question here: do you really think the DNC wants the USA to be a socialist country?
Ah. So you're one of those gullible people who think Democrats have a secret socialist agenda. How original.
I can't believe one guy is that stupid. But we are and have been a country with many socialist programs. And I seriously doubt you know what socialism is. You only dislike it because your cult leader told you to. It is clear you can't think so you need your orange monster (or one of his equally stupid minions) to 'think' for you.
Serious question here: do you really think the DNC wants the USA to be a socialist country?
Follow up: can you accurately differentiate communism, socialism, and a capitalist state with social safety nets? Take a guess as to which one American liberals typically advocate for. It's an open book quiz, so you can ask a friend if it's too difficult.
Ah. So you're one of those gullible people who think Democrats have a secret socialist agenda. How original.
Conseratives want to be able to raise their families and be left the hell alone.Same for liberals.
You can't tell us how to vote,how to think,or how to raise our families. The democrats want to control every aspect of our lives.
Stop playing video games, put down the damn phone for one day,and actually talk to other people.I agree. We white people need to listen to minorities. Really listen. And don't make assumptions that the world works the same for them as it does for us.
It's kind of hard to take seriously what someone says when their "name or I.D" for any web-site is a cartoon character or anime. I think, and this is just my opinion, that the reason that they're so angry and try to make things personal,is because politics is their "new" religion. Conseratives want to be able to raise their families and be left the hell alone. This country needs less government,not more. You can't tell us how to vote,how to think,or how to raise our families. The democrats want to control every aspect of our lives. If you truly believe that a corrupt career politican likeAh.....the brain dead speatheth. As usual, doesn't make any sense. Yeah, I know conservatives (is your orange monster really a 'conservative'.......aww, why ask when clearly the brain dead don't know what a conservative is..) just want to live as they want to---and to tell everybody else how they will live. That's all.
Biden, who is clearly not mentally fit to run the country is actually the one calling the shots, then there's there nothing much left to say, except to tell you to GROW UP. Stop playing video games, put down the damn phone for one day,and actually talk to other people.
It's kind of hard to take seriously what someone says when their "name or I.D" for any web-site is a cartoon character or anime.(https://i.dlpng.com/static/png/1311101_thumb.png)
We can do one better.LOL. I'm sure he would've listened and actually answered the hard questions if only my avatar were more respectable!
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I think, and this is just my opinion, that the reason that they're so angry and try to make things personal,is because politics is their "new" religion.You mean like following a charismatic leader who can do no wrong, insisting that Pi = 3 because that's what their holy book says, and sometimes even advocating violence against nonbelievers?
Conseratives want to be able to raise their families and be left the hell alone.Tell you what, when the Dems get power again, I'll vocally oppose any government law that infringes on reproductive rights, advocate for marijuana decriminalization, and push for immigration reform so the government doesn't "accidentally" separate parents and kids.
This country needs less government,not more.So, you're against increases in military spending? Homeland Security? ICE? TSA? Space Force? Conservatives sure do hate government expansion, right?
I have absolutely no desire to tell any body else how to live their life.Clearly that is bullshit--just like your cult leader you seem to only be able to lie. Your posts have been all about telling me what to believe and how to live. If I had wanted any shit out of you I'd have simply squeezed your head. Why not crawl back into your hole and concern yourself with fighting with your family.
My name is gibberish, so you know I'm telling the truth.
I have absolutely no desire to tell any body else how to live their life.Being an angry democrat or liberal(they are one in the same) must be very mentally and physically exhausting. Concern yourself with your own "little" opinions ,stop trying to rationalize what AOC and the rest of the "nutbags" say is best for our country, and live your lives to your own best abilitys. I couldn't care less what any ones opinions are of me(except my families) and won' t lose any sleep over any thing any one else says. "Facts don't care about your feelings". Vote with your heads, not your emotions. TRUMP 2020!
It's kind of hard to take seriously what someone says when their "name or I.D" for any web-site is a cartoon character or anime.
"Facts don't care about your feelings". Vote with your heads, not your emotions. TRUMP 2020!
It's kind of hard to take seriously what someone says when their "name or I.D" for any web-site is a cartoon character or anime. I think, and this is just my opinion, that the reason that they're so angry and try to make things personal,is because politics is their "new" religion. Conseratives want to be able to raise their families and be left the hell alone. This country needs less government,not more. You can't tell us how to vote,how to think,or how to raise our families. The democrats want to control every aspect of our lives. If you truly believe that a corrupt career politican like
Biden, who is clearly not mentally fit to run the country is actually the one calling the shots, then there's there nothing much left to say, except to tell you to GROW UP. Stop playing video games, put down the damn phone for one day,and actually talk to other people.
I have absolutely no desire to tell any body else how to live their life.Being an angry democrat or liberal(they are one in the same) must be very mentally and physically exhausting. Concern yourself with your own "little" opinions ,stop trying to rationalize what AOC and the rest of the "nutbags" say is best for our country, and live your lives to your own best abilitys. I couldn't care less what any ones opinions are of me(except my families) and won' t lose any sleep over any thing any one else says. "Facts don't care about your feelings". Vote with your heads, not your emotions. TRUMP 2020!
Not gonna hold my breath, pessimistic about this election. It's in 2020, after all.
Not gonna hold my breath, pessimistic about this election. It's in 2020, after all.I look at it like this, you can only roll a one so many times before you roll a 5 or a 6.
"Democrats are trying to stack the courts in their favor!" - Republicans as they rush to push a far right Republican into the Supreme Court, days before the electionTechnically, as people are voting. And voting to decide the guy who appoints the Supreme Court justices, no less.
Jesus christ, uh, I mean hail satan, people on this thread take way to much of this stuff personally. This really is your religion now isn't it? The election is a week from now. All of this screaming and kicking will hopefully be over and people can be civil to each other again. I guess what I read is true, most atheists are liberals ,but I didn't expect this much name-calling and temper tantrums. I might be the only one on this web-site that feels this way, but that's okay. As I've gotten older, my feelings on religion and politics have changed to rely on my self and my family more and less on outside factors. I probably would have to define my self as a "satanist" now. I truly COULD NOT CARE LESS what any bodies opinion is a me. This country is fractured and needs to be repaired. I don't see any of the democrats offering any thing but venom and hatred of the opposition,and nothing short of revolution is good enough. I'm too old to care what other people think. I do however think a lot of people on this site need to grow-up and get over your selves. HAIL SATAN.
"Democrats are trying to stack the courts in their favor!" - Republicans as they rush to push a far right Republican into the Supreme Court, days before the electionPlus tRump has installed about 200 repub/trumpies to the bench already. And now that he has stripped the civil service of using merit to choose workers, trumpies now will be installed at every turn and in every bureau.
"Democrats are trying to stack the courts in their favor!" - Republicans as they rush to push a far right Republican into the Supreme Court, days before the election
Jesus christ, uh, I mean hail satan, people on this thread take way to much of this stuff personally. This really is your religion now isn't it? The election is a week from now. All of this screaming and kicking will hopefully be over and people can be civil to each other again. I guess what I read is true, most atheists are liberals ,but I didn't expect this much name-calling and temper tantrums. I might be the only one on this web-site that feels this way, but that's okay. As I've gotten older, my feelings on religion and politics have changed to rely on my self and my family more and less on outside factors. I probably would have to define my self as a "satanist" now. I truly COULD NOT CARE LESS what any bodies opinion is a me. This country is fractured and needs to be repaired. I don't see any of the democrats offering any thing but venom and hatred of the opposition,and nothing short of revolution is good enough. I'm too old to care what other people think. I do however think a lot of people on this site need to grow-up and get over your selves. HAIL SATAN.
Do you have anything to offer in the way of...I dunno...arguments? Facts? Data? No? Just projection and ad hominem fallacies? Okay.
Plus tRump has installed about 200 repub/trumpies to the bench already. And now that he has stripped the civil service of using merit to choose workers, trumpies now will be installed at every turn and in every bureau.
This country is fractured and needs to be repaired.
Jesus christ, uh, I mean hail satan, people on this thread take way to much of this stuff personally. This really is your religion now isn't it? The election is a week from now. All of this screaming and kicking will hopefully be over and people can be civil to each other again. I guess what I read is true, most atheists are liberals ,but I didn't expect this much name-calling and temper tantrums. I might be the only one on this web-site that feels this way, but that's okay. As I've gotten older, my feelings on religion and politics have changed to rely on my self and my family more and less on outside factors. I probably would have to define my self as a "satanist" now. I truly COULD NOT CARE LESS what any bodies opinion is a me. This country is fractured and needs to be repaired. I don't see any of the democrats offering any thing but venom and hatred of the opposition,and nothing short of revolution is good enough. I'm too old to care what other people think. I do however think a lot of people on this site need to grow-up and get over your selves. HAIL SATAN.Project much?
I agree but I'm not sure how we get there. America's response to this pandemic has been very discouraging. Often in the past Americans banded together when faced with a threat or disaster but that didn't happen this time. I wish Trump or Congress could be blamed but what is going on in America right now is deep, systemic, sociological, and psychological. This alienation and animosity are multifactorial and can't be fixed simply by electing a new president. That said, Trump has demonstrated no ability to build bridges or de-escalate conflicting factions.
Respect doesn't work that way, Baruch. It is not some sort of an etherial subtsance that naturally accumulates around people who are generally defined as 'decent' according to some norms in a given society but some people refuse just to spite. You are confusing the regard we are all required to show each other to exist in peace; to achieve basic tenets of civilisation with the respect which is based on some sort of admiration for some ability, quality or accomplishment. We don't live in the same building. We have come here to express our opinions and find people who think like us.
Nobody disrespects a member in this forum because of their life style, sexual orientation, nationality OR for their political conviction as long as they can build an argument for it. We have/had every kind of people here. Hell, we had a self proclaimed pedophile, a dog fucker in this forum and they've all lasted very long but left or banned because they kept bringing those issues at every opportunity which majorty see as taboos. Not to mention it is illegal. And many other ordinary kind of crackpots, we all are in that category in some way.
This man or that woman, nelson mandela or gandhi...if somebody gets into a political thread and claim that Democrats are trying to build a socialist America, nobody with two brain cells to rub together will respect them. I'm not throwing my hair and saying 'hmph, I don't!', I'm saying, I can't. Because it is absurd. Because we need a modicum of rationality to interact. I can't respect anti-vaxers. I can't respect anyone who claims there is no systematic racism and white supremacism anywhere around the world. I can't respect flat earthers. I can't respect people who think vampires and zombies can exist, because you know 'we don't really know after all'. I can't respect people who decide their lives according to horoscopes, tarot cards, angel quantum something, self-help, sending energy to the universe. Do you think they are not decent people?
But while there is a camp with its entire existance in the country's history as a political wing based on principles like telling women what to do with their bodies, telling people what kind of tv shows they should make and watch or wihich ones they should cancel, what kind of music they should listen, who they should love and marry, how many children they should have, systematically killing people out of their ethnic and religous groups (mostly because they cover their heads though, they can't tell the difference between a sikh and a muslim or a turban and a burkha), esp. immigrants IN the BIGGEST IMMIGRANT COUNTRY ON EARTH and we have these fucking morons dropping one after another telling people that they're angry snowflakes and all they do is throwing tantrums all around. These are just a few examples. Republicans didn't need Trump to begin with anyway.
'Thisz ccountry isz fracturrred.' No shit. It wasn't fractured 20 years ago? 30 years ago? 50 years ago? All this dropped down from sky just like that? Which political wing and ideologies have to rely on devisive policies and fractures? Which fucking moron has carried this to a new dimension, abused almost every issue the country and the world has using a 12 year old's vernacular with a retarded, psychopathic demeanor?
Munch or before pr... Think about their lives and circumstances. In a mass scale, the worst absurd comedy of all times. The American muslim kid who dropped several weeks ago? The same kind of moronity.
Yeah, respect doesn't work that way.
George Orwell didn't invent anything that Lewis Carroll didn't think of first.
I agree but I'm not sure how we get there. America's response to this pandemic has been very discouraging. Often in the past Americans banded together when faced with a threat or disaster but that didn't happen this time. I wish Trump or Congress could be blamed but what is going on in America right now is deep, systemic, sociological, and psychological. This alienation and animosity are multifactorial and can't be fixed simply by electing a new president. That said, Trump has demonstrated no ability to build bridges or de-escalate conflicting factions.
In your false memory. Remember Korea, Vietnam, race riots? Maybe among White college graduates that like the same recreational drugs, they all have the same group think.
Wrong Lewis. George Orwell didn't invent anything. He wrote brilliant fiction on what should be righfully creditted to Lewis Mumford; his critique of both ideologies at the time which he understood and agreed. Mumford has been exiled a couple of times, at least. They hated what he was saying. Except a very few smart men.
There is a good book on his work related to his personal life, his influence as one of the 5 sociologists from the same generation, all of them born in 1895, but I can't remember the book's name. Something printed in the late 90s. Mumford is a man who saw and talked about the cold war period in early 1930s as far as I get. If memory serves right, they become friends with Orwell for 4-5 years ? and then seperate around when the war breaks out and never see each other again. Then Orwell dies a short time later. He died very young.
Lewis Carroll lived decades before Lewis Mumford.
Mumford influenced a lot of people, though George Orwell isn't directly mentioned in Wiki. Both were progenitors of neo-liberalism.
Any one that gets that angry about any thing and makes things personal or becomes un-hinged about their political leanings should take a breathI agree. Does this apply to you too, or are you exempt?
Like I said, this has become a religion for some people. Respect other people's opinions and live your life to the best ability that you can. I came to this web-site (atheist forum) to be able to talk to others about our common beliefs (or un-beliefs). Any one that gets that angry about any thing and makes things personal or becomes un-hinged about their political leanings should take a breath and remember, we're ALL just pee-ons in this world. In the grand scheme of things, we all just live to die. And we will all die alone. We're all insignificate.
Like I said, this has become a religion for some people. Respect other people's opinions and live your life to the best ability that you can. I came to this web-site (atheist forum) to be able to talk to others about our common beliefs (or un-beliefs). Any one that gets that angry about any thing and makes things personal or becomes un-hinged about their political leanings should take a breath and remember, we're ALL just pee-ons in this world. In the grand scheme of things, we all just live to die. And we will all die alone. We're all insignificate.Good advice--why don't you try living it.
Like I said, this has become a religion for some people. Respect other people's opinions and live your life to the best ability that you can. I came to this web-site (atheist forum) to be able to talk to others about our common beliefs (or un-beliefs). Any one that gets that angry about any thing and makes things personal or becomes un-hinged about their political leanings should take a breath and remember, we're ALL just pee-ons in this world. In the grand scheme of things, we all just live to die. And we will all die alone. We're all insignificate.
I'm not angry. I just think you have bad arguments. Or more accurately, bad excuses for not even trying to give any arguments. At least, I think you do. You don't an avatar, so I don't know how seriously I can take you.
I'm not angry. I just think you have bad arguments. Or more accurately, bad excuses for not even trying to give any arguments.I think he has a hard time understanding who's angry. There maybe some people in the forum who are actually angry, because he came in with a metaphorical baseball bat ranting on how vile liberals are. It's like he's exercising his right to be completely uncivil to a group he expresses hatred toward and expects people to applaud his keen insight. His problem may just be with his socialization skills. Being told he's acting like a jerk, doesn't necessarily mean people are angry at him, and since this made him angry, maybe he's the one who needs to chill out.
I think he has a hard time understanding who's angry. There maybe some people in the forum who are actually angry, because he came in with a metaphorical baseball bat ranting on how vile liberals are. It's like he's exercising his right to be completely uncivil to a group he expresses hatred toward and expects people to applaud his keen insight. His problem may just be with his socialization skills. Being told he's acting like a jerk, doesn't necessarily mean people are angry at him, and since this made him angry, maybe he's the one who needs to chill out.Exactly.
Say good bye to the economy for a while. Huge Layoffs, Covid-19 Europe shutdown, US record virus new cases, no stimulus S&P down about 5% in 2 days...I may buy some more. Not good for incumbents a week out.
Say good bye to the economy for a while. Huge Layoffs, Covid-19 Europe shutdown, US record virus new cases, no stimulus S&P down about 5% in 2 days...I may buy some more. Not good for incumbents a week out.My parents say it's going to be a mess for most of next year as well. Not good whoever takes office, either. Lots of messes big and small to clean up - and people have a bad habit of blaming the stench on the nearest person, not necessarily the offender.
"Fun" fact about those rape allegations: Trump tried to get the Justice Dept to legally defend him (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/nyregion/jean-carroll-trump-rape-lawsuit.html) (basically subsidizing his own legal defense and shielding him from legal liability). The State Department apparently cited a law to designed to protect federal employees against litigation stemming from the performance of their duties. How the judge resisted bludgeoning the Trump lackey to death with a law book, I'll never understand.
Trump left his mobs to fend for themselves. Omaha Beach on D-Day, II.
“12-year-old in an air traffic control tower, pushing the buttons of government indiscriminately, indifferent to the planes skidding across the runway.”
I'm too old to get angry or lose any sleep over what other people say in this thread. Get rid of your anger in some other way.Still projecting. Also, you're boring.
Still projecting. Also, you're boring.
I will continue to listen to black-metal and spend time with our grandkids. That makes me smile, not arguing politics on an atheist web-site.So don't.
Wow,great grammar there. For those who judge someone's arguments by the quality of an avatar that they don't use, sarcasm or not, that's sad. I'm too old to get angry or lose any sleep over what other people say in this thread. Get rid of your anger in some other way, because I think if you keep it up like this after the election is over, you might end-up alone and bitter. I will continue to listen to black-metal and spend time with our grandkids. That makes me smile, not arguing politics on an atheist web-site. Get off my lawn!Project much?! You are the angry one. And you are on our lawn, not yours. Why are you on this site? You only make pronouncements--nothing close to a discussion or dialogue. Why are you so hung up on avatar's? Seems you are frightened of them. You write like a 16 year old with problems that needs a shrink. You will probably not advance much more than that--16. What a weak-kneed dolt you are.
Walter Mondale’s 1984 concession to Ronald Reagan: “The choice was made peacefully. And although I would have rather won tonight, we rejoice in our democracy. We rejoice in the freedom of a wonderful people. And we accept their verdict.”
So in one week, about half the country will be bitterly disappointed that "evil" won. Yes, both sides have a significant portion that sees the other side as actually evil. There will be a big public meltdown by that side. And that side will blame 3rd party voters like me for their loss.
That will happen no matter which side wins.
So in one week, about half the country will be bitterly disappointed that "evil" won. Yes, both sides have a significant portion that sees the other side as actually evil. There will be a big public meltdown by that side. And that side will blame 3rd party voters like me for their loss.
That will happen no matter which side wins.
So in one week, about half the country will be bitterly disappointed that "evil" won. Yes, both sides have a significant portion that sees the other side as actually evil. There will be a big public meltdown by that side. And that side will blame 3rd party voters like me for their loss.
That will happen no matter which side wins.
Wow,great grammar there. For those who judge someone's arguments by the quality of an avatar that they don't use, sarcasm or not, that's sad. I'm too old to get angry or lose any sleep over what other people say in this thread. Get rid of your anger in some other way, because I think if you keep it up like this after the election is over, you might end-up alone and bitter. I will continue to listen to black-metal and spend time with our grandkids. That makes me smile, not arguing politics on an atheist web-site. Get off my lawn!
So in one week, about half the country will be bitterly disappointed that "evil" won. Yes, both sides have a significant portion that sees the other side as actually evil. There will be a big public meltdown by that side. And that side will blame 3rd party voters like me for their loss.That's right. Half the country will be sad no matter who wins. But what helps me is looking at the other half of the half empty glass. Half the country will be dancing joyfully, and even though that half works against my best interests, they are Americans and my countrymen even if we disagree. It's good to know that others are rejoicing even if I don't participate in the gladness (or the sorrow). But unfortunately, there is something bigger at stake than winning or losing.
That will happen no matter which side wins.
Maybe America will elect Kanye West...I never heard of Kanye West and had to google. I got lots of hits about him announcing his candidacy, but little else about the man, until I finally surfed my way down to this interview. God forbid you watch the whole video. It's three hours long, but you can get to know him in about the first three to five minutes. Who knows. If Trump can be president, then.... And this seems to be pretty much his argument for running. But I only watched about 5 minutes or less. A very short scroll down the page brings you to the video.
I never heard of Kanye West and had to google.
I never heard of Kanye West and had to google.
I envy you.+1
I recently read that more than half of eligible voters in the USA don't vote. The NYT interviewed a handful. I don't know if interviewees were representative or not. They were just felt disenfranchised by a system that did not represent their needs. Apparently, being told by politicians that they would benefit if they voted for whoever was not convincing enough. Non voters tended towards being uneducated and poor. I don't think that necessarily disqualifies them from consideration, however. But that's a lot of hopeless people.
According to the US Census Bureau (https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2018/demo/p20-582.html), these are reasons given by eligible voters why they did not vote in the presidential election in 2016:Actually, those numbers seem to match up with the reasons given in the article I read. The article may have made mention of the census. I can't remember. Keep in mind that there were only 3 or 4 people that the article profiled in the NYT. I sort of assume those were representative of the whole, but I don't know that. The two largest groups on the census reasons seem to reflect the disenfranchisement I picked up from the article. The the last three were the smallest groups, and the ones that Republicans and Democrats are arguing about. I don't want to downplay their importance because of the groups' relative sizes. Voting should be as easy as possible for everyone, including those that happen to be "out of town." But disenfranchisement doesn't lend itself to debate, because you can't pin the blame on the other guy in a political debate over why people don't like either one of you. And that seems to be the biggest problem.
Did not like candidates or campaign issues (4.7 million)
Not interested (2.9 million)
Too busy, conflicting schedule (2.7 million)
Illness or disability (2.2 million)
Other reason (2.1 million)
Out of town (1.5 million)
Registration problems (0.8 million)
Forgot to vote (0.6 million)
Don’t know or refused (0.5 million)
Transportation problems (0.5 million)
Inconvenient polling place (0.4 million)
Bad weather conditions (0.01 million)
Maybe America will elect Kanye West...
I recently read that more than half of eligible voters in the USA don't vote. The NYT interviewed a handful. I don't know if interviewees were representative or not. They were just felt disenfranchised by a system that did not represent their needs. Apparently, being told by politicians that they would benefit if they voted for whoever was not convincing enough. Non voters tended towards being uneducated and poor. I don't think that necessarily disqualifies them from consideration, however. But that's a lot of hopeless people.
I envy you.
According to the US Census Bureau (https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2018/demo/p20-582.html), these are reasons given by eligible voters why they did not vote in the presidential election in 2016:
Did not like candidates or campaign issues (4.7 million)
Not interested (2.9 million)
Too busy, conflicting schedule (2.7 million)
Illness or disability (2.2 million)
Other reason (2.1 million)
Out of town (1.5 million)
Registration problems (0.8 million)
Forgot to vote (0.6 million)
Don’t know or refused (0.5 million)
Transportation problems (0.5 million)
Inconvenient polling place (0.4 million)
Bad weather conditions (0.01 million)
I recently read a poll that gives Biden an 8 percentage point lead over Trump, and 5% to 8% Biden leads seem to be about standard for the last month. I can't remember Hillary's lead, but I remember what I considered a similar small percentage for her. 5% to 8% (or even less) should not and did not guarantee a slam dunk on election day, which should not have been the huge surprise that it was.That's a great question! And the full answer could and likely will be a best-seller. But we don't have that kind of time, so I'll try to be as brief as possible:
I also read a poll that attached the standard of error of +/- 8 to Biden's 8 point lead which means his lead could also be zero. Granted it could also be +16, but whatever. It's like Biden has an 8% lead with a standard error of +/- 8, but there is also a standard error of +/- 22 that the standard error of+/- 8 is incorrect.
I've read that pollsters have said that they have taken note of their errors in 2016, and corrected for that, but honestly I have read nothing where a pollster explains what they have done to correct what they did wrong. And to make it more complicated, the chances that they have accurately identified their errors correctly has a standard error of +/- 87. Do these guys know what they are doing? OK, they are probably better than us asking our friends what they think. What we may need are retired bookies who made their living coming up with odds on horses. Oh wait. They might be the same people that do presidential polls already.
The banjo is the only musical instrument invented in America. Jazz and rap are the only musical forms invented in America. Which group did this?
Turks have belly dancing I guess ... not bad.
Yeah because this is about black culture and music, right? Kanye West is a narcissist billioner who made his money from some sports wear and his fame, largely from his outbursts and his wife. It's a clever marriage business. He doesn't represent anything. He is one of the last people to represent African Americans. The fact that a large group of people deify figures like him is a result of modern culture and societies teaching children deify money & fame at every cost for the power that comes with it.
What does belly dancing have to with any of this?
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Do you guys remember when Trump ran as a populist and pretended to champion the working class? That illusion is broken and has been broken for quite some time.
My younger brother lives in a large housing development with less expensive homes at the entry to the community and more expensive homes further in. He commented that the entry-level homes all have blue political yard signs and as the home increase in cost the signs turn red.Yep, broadly true (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/05/its-time-to-bust-the-myth-most-trump-voters-were-not-working-class/).
When are the middle class / poor Conservatives going to finally realize Republicans don't care about them? The idea that making the richer richer is somehow going to result in that money trickling down to them, rather than in some offshore, tax free account is just delusional. They don't respond to getting more money by investing more in their employees.
Trump cancels election night party at Trump hotel, prepares to bunker down at White House (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/523528-trump-changes-election-night-plans-cancels-party-at-trump-international)
P.S., I write like a 61 year old with dementia , not 16. I think you got your numbers mixed-up. See ya in 2021!fify
The level of hostility on this thread is off the charts, but that's pretty much what I expected. Some of you seem to have a lot of time to do your "research" about who's going to win and what the aftermath will be. How much rent do you pay your parents?
With this amount of hatred for any one who doesn't follow your every word, how do you hold down a real job? I'll just live my retirement years with my family and sleep well at night. Just promise that you won't go off the deep-end when trump is re-elected on tuesday. P.S., I write like a 61 year old , not 16. I think you got your numbers mixed-up. See ya in 2021!
The level of hostility on this thread is off the charts, but that's pretty much what I expected. Some of you seem to have a lot of time to do your "research" about who's going to win and what the aftermath will be. How much rent do you pay your parents? With this amount of hatred for any one who doesn't follow your every word, how do you hold down a real job? I'll just live my retirement years with my family and sleep well at night. Just promise that you won't go off the deep-end when trump is re-elected on tuesday. P.S., I write like a 61 year old , not 16. I think you got your numbers mixed-up. See ya in 2021!No, no mix-up. You seem to possess an emotional age of probably closer to 12 going on 13. You came here complaining about your family--now that is what you enjoy. Make up your mind. And remember, you came here--nobody forced you to come or stay. So, quit your sniveling and engage in a dialogue instead of trying to make us the bad guys. Or better yet, simply stay off this forum, enjoy your family more and listen to the music of a person 12 going on 13--death metal--yeah, good healthy stuff, alright. And maybe spend some time with a shrink.
The level of hostility on this thread is off the charts, but that's pretty much what I expected. Some of you seem to have a lot of time to do your "research" about who's going to win and what the aftermath will be. How much rent do you pay your parents? With this amount of hatred for any one who doesn't follow your every word, how do you hold down a real job? I'll just live my retirement years with my family and sleep well at night. Just promise that you won't go off the deep-end when trump is re-elected on tuesday. P.S., I write like a 61 year old , not 16. I think you got your numbers mixed-up. See ya in 2021!
That's a great question! And the full answer could and likely will be a best-seller. But we don't have that kind of time, so I'll try to be as brief as possible:Number 4 was the one I could keep up with. It actually spoke to my issue by saying how groups are weighted has changed. But to find out if that and other changes will be more accurate this time around, I think we will have to wait until election night.
1) 2016 had more undecideds (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/21/14025198/trump-undecided-final-weeks-survey) and less turnout than 2020 (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/22/voter-turnout-2020-ranking-us-presidential-elections/6006793002/), with generally poor favorability ratings for both candidates (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president/clintontrumpfavorability.html). That has changed (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president/trumpbidenfavorability.html).
2) Biden has a larger lead than Clinton ever did (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-is-polling-better-than-clinton-at-her-peak/), it's consistent, and the gap hasn't narrowed nearly as much (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/biden-maintains-polling-lead-over-trump-with-five-days-left-to.html), though it has narrowed in some of the battleground states, it's very different than 2016 (https://fortune.com/2020/10/28/2020-election-florida-trump-biden-polls-update/)
3) Pollsters didn't weight the No College Degree category correctly in 2016 (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/pollsters-probably-didnt-talk-to-enough-white-voters-without-college-degrees/), they've since corrected that.
4) Pollsters flubbed the Great Lakes states in 2016 (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/presidential-election-polls-2016-what-went-wrong/), they've since corrected that.
A lot of information there, honestly too much to really deal with all at once, so mull over it at your convenience and I'm more than willing to provide more info or take questions on specific points.
I probably made too much of my issue.Au contraire, it's a very important thing to bring up. In 2016, a lot of people looked at the political sites like CNN and HuffPo with their 90-95% Clinton predictions and Clinton national lead and got the shock of their lives. And people understandably don't trust polling nearly as much as they did before. And now, with new polls coming out every day and making headlines, and people getting a lot of deja vu, it's super important to understand both the fallibility of polling and (paradoxically) the reliability of polling.
In 2016, a lot of people looked at the political sites like CNN and HuffPo with their 90-95% Clinton predictions and Clinton national lead and got the shock of their lives. And people understandably don't trust polling nearly as much as they did before.I don't trust polling anymore or any less than I did in 2016. Some college course I took spent time teaching about taking surveys, and while I had seen surveys with obviously flawed methodology, I was surprised by the number of things that can affect the accuracy of a survey, and I imagined that the actual list went on more or less endlessly. The point being that experts can only do the best they can within their area of knowledge and expertise. The polling environment is also fraught with charlatans trying to influence public thinking by wording questions that are obvious political ads, rather than seeking to understand a person's thoughts.
Pretty much said every republican ever.
The polling environment is also fraught with charlatans trying to influence public thinking by wording questions that are obvious political ads, rather than seeking to understand a person's thoughts.That's why the poll themselves are rated and weighted accordingly. (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/) And anytime I see an online-only poll, I take it with a heaping helping of salt.
I read one pollster in 2016 say they failed to determine how many people said they were voting for Hillary but would actually stay home, possibly for the very reason that they read in the polls that Hillary would win. No doubt many people don't vote when they think their choice is in the bag. Apparently the pollsters did not weight for that. I haven't seen how that has been corrected this year.Pollsters of course can't correct for people getting overconfident and complacent because their whole purpose is to say who's leading and who's not, how people use that info is on them. If the poll results show Biden in the lead, they have to say Biden is in the lead.
It may be a bigger factor this year than 2016, because pollsters are saying Biden has a bigger lead, not only overall, but in "such and such" special cases.If voting this year was at or below 2016, then the idea that people are over-confidently staying home would be a legitimate concern. But this year's turnout blows 2016 out of the water. So I don't see how there's a stay-at-home problem.
And all of those cases are cherry picked to support today's accuracy of the new polling, which means more pollster bias.I dunno what you're saying here. Are you saying that the pollsters are picking and choosing which polls to publish and only publish polls favoring Biden?
Polls are not reliable, especially when what they are predicting depends on a minute difference in the data. Presidential elections are won by 51/49, not 80/20, so political polls are especially unreliable because they can't cut it as close as the actual vote that is inevitably going to be a photo finish.Presidential elections typically have a close popular vote, but the electoral college swings wildly.
The media often treats 54/46 as a political landslide which never strikes me as a land slide.You're right, it's not.
Throw in some monkey business like gerrymandering, fucking with the mail, or depending on the electoral college, and polls are even less important.I agree with that.
One last thing. I did not vote in 2016. It was not because I thought Hillary had it in the bag. I wasn't interested in Hillary. The reason I didn't vote was because I thought Trump was a jerk and Clinton was a status quo Democrat. Neither of which would do anything positive for the country.I don't blame you for that. I did vote in 2016 and my reasoning (which I posted here) is that Hillary Clinton would control Supreme Court nominees. As Trump said, elections have consequences and we're seeing those consequences right now.
My goodness, they asked him to stay out of the race so they could run Hillary as the stronger choice 4 years ago.A similar incident happened with Sanders. I dunno how that would have played out, but we all know how it played out with Clinton. It's pretty galling to see the DNC get upset about Trump's attempts to alter the course of this election considering how they run their primaries.
Biden is still status quo, every bit as much as Clinton.Eh, I dunno about that. I guess we'll see. He's no socialist, that's for sure. And sadly, no matter who wins, a lot of much-needed reforms are a dream deferred. But I do like Biden's energy plan (though obviously I wish he would go further). Gotta start somewhere, I guess.
It's just that Trump turned out to be a far bigger jerk than I ever imagined, and I already had a horribly low opinion of him in 2016.I had a very dim view of him throughout the 2016 campaign season (global warming as a Chinese hoax was especially infuriating) but I thought he might follow through on some of his more reasonable ideas, like overhauling infrastructure and stamping out corruption. Brutally disappointing, and that's an understatement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk_QnKtBH8w
I dunno what you're saying here. Are you saying that the pollsters are picking and choosing which polls to publish and only publish polls favoring Biden?No not at all. I'm thinking pollsters would be motivated (possibly unconsciously) to create the impression that they have their bases covered this year by pointing out changes they have made in methodology, and why their changes are correct. But that seems like Monday morning quarterbacking to make those assumptions. I'm not attacking pollsters. I think polling is less than an exact science, and much is left to bias. Actually, I'm not that hot on my own argument, because it's more like I'm thinking out loud, and I'm not sure how sound that is. I'm not at all saying that pollsters are fudging to give Biden a better lead. I give them way more credit than that.
I'm thinking pollsters would be motivated (possibly unconsciously) to create the impression that they have their bases covered this year by pointing out changes they have made in methodology, and why their changes are correct.I mean, I'm sure they've gotten questions about why polls were so off in 2016 and what they're doing differently this time around. If I were a pollster, I'd draw a lot of attention to the methodology changes myself, possibly boring the question-asker into a statistics-induced coma.
The Trafalgar Group, which was the only nonpartisan outlet in 2016 to find Trump leading in Michigan and Pennsylvania on Election Day, shows Trump with small leads in both states, which would be keys to another Trump win in the Electoral College. Nearly every other pollster shows Biden with a comfortable lead.
Trafalgar’s Robert Cahaly says there is a hidden Trump vote that is not being accounted for in polls that show Biden on a glide path to the White House.
“There are more [shy Trump voters] than last time and it’s not even a contest,” Cahaly said, adding that it’s “quite possible” that the polling industry is headed for a catastrophic miss in 2020.
FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver and Cook Political Report editor Dave Wasserman are among those deeply skeptical of Cahaly’s polling.Maybe they're using this (https://external-preview.redd.it/AzCUWHywB1EvG1Qtgsxi7FJqKmV37PzJb2dPBcReqDc.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a97d1a3498d6b5dfafe5239595be7e0909bfeeb5) as part of their dataset?
Both have dug into the crosstabs of Trafalgar polls and pointed to questionable breakdowns as evidence Trafalgar doesn’t know what it’s doing. For instance, the crosstabs in a Michigan poll, which are no longer online, appeared to show Trump leading Biden by 8 points among young voters, a Democratic stronghold.
Both the media and the GOP love really close elections - the media gets more money if it looks like a horse race, and the GOP because close elections are easier to steal. Voter suppression works better that way.
Minnesota was one of those states, with a consent decree in state court that changed the rules so ballots postmarked on or before Nov. 3 could be accepted for up to seven days after the election.They supposedly have the silent majority on their side, so I don't see what they're worried about. If anything, they'd insist that every ballot be counted because they love America (and by extension, America's democratic tradition) and know they have the support of the common man, who will outnumber any minority liberal elites.
Republican state Rep. Eric Lucero and GOP activist James Carson, who both would participate in the Electoral College if President Donald Trump carries Minnesota, opposed the state agreement and took the case to federal court. Their lawsuit, backed by the conservative-leaning Honest Elections Project, argued that an extension would create chaos and dilute the value of their votes by counting “unlawful” ballots after Election Day.
Saying the quiet part out loud: Minnesota GOP worries that late ballots may "dilute" their vote (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-elections-minnesota-courts-56d03fd6e52f46129936e9c6d2a66eeb)
They supposedly have the silent majority on their side, so I don't see what they're worried about. If anything, they'd insist that every ballot be counted because they love America (and by extension, America's democratic tradition) and know they have the support of the common man, who will outnumber any minority liberal elites.
You're right, I did join this thread willingly, and found out that what I had heard about most atheists is true. They are liberal and usually vote for the left and that I should probably keep my political leanings to my self.That was a pretty slow revelation after several posts of MAGA chest-beating. At the very least, you could've looked around before jumping in and foolishly assuming everyone was pro-Trump.
Some of you are taking politics and yourselves way too seriously.You try (very hard, I might add) to portray talking about politics practically on the eve of a major election as a bad thing. Why? Would you feel the same if it was people expressing right-wing viewpoints?
It's not healthy to get that wound up over something that you think you can influence one way or the other.Have you ever met a religious person? Or a scientist? Or just a regular person? People get worried about stuff they can't change all the time. But in this case, there is a clearcut course of action and it's called the ballot box. After that, it's wait-and-see time. And naturally, people are going to talk during this period. Purely optional, of course. You can talk or not talk, just don't stand in the doorway, m'kay?
All politicians are corrupt.This seems to be something of a right-wing mantra (or is it a thought-terminating cliche?). I know you guys need to believe that because of your own associations (the grass can't possibly be greener elsewhere) but the obvious fact is that there are a range people in politics - good people, decent people, okay people, bad people, deplorables, etc.
All have very low moral standards, that's why they are so many career politicans in office, they'll do ANYTHING to stay in power.Well, we just ran the experiment and tried a reality tv star instead. It didn't work out so well.
We will continue to live our lives after this is over, and hopefully the future will be better than it is now.It's looking that way, despite some strenuous efforts otherwise. But we'll see.
The problem is the right believes in government by the people. But only the right people.
The problem is the right believes in government by the people. But only the right people.
Atheists of course reject all gods, except the tiny god that is their own ego ;-)) ... that is why there is no room for other gods ;-)))
Once I reached upper management in corporate America and my portfolio was fluctuating 5 figures on an average day, I was allowed to attend events with people worth hundreds of millions and they would shoot the shit. They love the stereotypical Trump voters. They had a laugh about how they are "as dumb as rocks", but they love them.
The only vote that matters is the one vote per share that elects that board who will do all the real what, where, who and when deciding that really effects our lives (including who in the government needs to be elected for the very purpose of throttling itself.) And of course your health is just another business.
Specifically, the old, rich, white, Christian guys, and the minorities who are willing to simp for them. Everyone else is a whiny socialist who should just be happy they allow us to live here.I saw a post on social media that basically tried to excuse GOP attempts to manipulate the election on the grounds that the liberals are doing the same thing by "bribing" the electorate with social programs. Apparently, people deriving some benefit from their tax dollars counts as bribery now.
I saw a post on social media that basically tried to excuse GOP attempts to manipulate the election on the grounds that the liberals are doing the same thing by "bribing" the electorate with social programs. Apparently, people deriving some benefit from their tax dollars counts as bribery now.
I saw a post on social media that basically tried to excuse GOP attempts to manipulate the election on the grounds that the liberals are doing the same thing by "bribing" the electorate with social programs. Apparently, people deriving some benefit from their tax dollars counts as bribery now.
There are two broad ways to model an event: using “fundamentals” — mechanisms that can affect the event — and probabilities — measurements like polls.
For weather, we have fundamentals — advanced science on how atmospheric dynamics work — and years of detailed, day-by-day, even hour-by-hour data from a vast number of observation stations.
For elections, we simply do not have anything near that kind of knowledge or data. While we have some theories on what influences voters, we have no fine-grained understanding of why people vote the way they do, and what polling data we have is relatively sparse.
If I read that there is a 20 percent chance of rain and do not take an umbrella, the odds of rain coming down don’t change. Electoral modeling, by contrast, actively affects the way people behave. --[Me: This reminds me of quantum physics. Observing a particle changes it's behaviors. I'm not sure if this actually happens in physics, but I'm convinced that observing election polls, changes the behavior of voters.]
Instead of refreshing the page to update predictions, people should do the only thing that actually affects the outcome: vote, donate and organize.
It was said here that the two research companies who have successfully estimated Trump's win as opposed to the majority back then before the last election are saying Biden. I don't know which ones. It was a long, social media convo.
I don't suppose those social media posters have returned their $1200 Trump-endorsedbribes"stimulus checks" to the government.
I wonder just how "temporary" that new fencing around the White House will turn out to be.
Just one more day until all the political ads are gone. And hopefully, one more day until Trump knows he's fired. Still have to wait until March for him to actually be gone, though...
Trump says, "See? See what I'm up against? This vote should be disqualified. It was placed in the ballot box by an obviously unregistered voter. Under Biden, perpetrators like this would go free without any jail time."
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Oh...Did that happen before in any election?Did the sitting president place barricades around the White House and turn it into some sort of bunker?
Oh...Did that happen before in any election?
Trump is acting like a Drama Queen.The poor young Trump may have had 'bone spurs' all through the Vietnam War. That's tough.
Whatever side wins, there are going to be riots.
I'll be asleep when the results get in. Best of luck, Americans.
The poor young Trump may have had 'bone spurs' all through the Vietnam War. That's tough.
Is this the People vs. Trump thread?
I'm going to bed too. Good luck. Hope nothing bad will happen afterwards.I don't think anything will. Eventually, there will be a revolution, but that's down the road yet. <knocks on wood>
So you volunteered for Vietnam? For Iraq? Not saying you had no military experience.I joined the Army as a nurse stationed at Fort Jackson, SC where we actually had to handle some leprosy cases. When I got out I knew I never wanted to be in medicine again and went for engineering. And the difference is I don't bad mouth actual war heroes like that ass hat Trump does. I don't see how anyone in a military family would vote for that orange wuss.
I joined the Army as a nurse stationed at Fort Jackson, SC where we actually had to handle some leprosy cases. When I got out I knew I never wanted to be in medicine again and went for engineering. And the difference is I don't bad mouth actual war heroes like that ass hat Trump does. I don't see how anyone in a military family would vote for that orange wuss.
I don't think anything will. Eventually, there will be a revolution, but that's down the road yet. <knocks on wood>
Had my snifter of Grand Marnier ... time for bed ;-)Gonna sip a shot of Jamison straight up, hope for peace and work on our ancestry since it seems that an EU passport is a possibility and perhaps travel will once again be a reality late '21 or sometime in '22.
I joined the Army as a nurse stationed at Fort Jackson, SC where we actually had to handle some leprosy cases. When I got out I knew I never wanted to be in medicine again and went for engineering. And the difference is I don't bad mouth actual war heroes like that ass hat Trump does. I don't see how anyone in a military family would vote for that orange wuss.
Whatever side wins, there are going to be riots.
I'll be asleep when the results get in. Best of luck, Americans.
I don't agree. If the Right loses, there are certain groups who may commit violence on Trump's behalf, but most Conservatives will just whine about it on Facebook.
Joe Biden is now the favorite to win the presidency, and Republicans are favored to keep Senate control
I'm scared and hurt of the sheer number of votes in favor of Trump and the republicans.
I was expecting a Trump victory. But being right does nothing to lift my spirits.
At least: think of the mêmes.
I woke up and checked my investments first, saw they were flat, market confused, and so I knew the election was down to the wire. I think perhaps polling hurts the party that is ahead at the time by cooling down their voters and by energizing the lagging party. And of course Trump declared victory too early and is proclaiming 'fraud' as expected. However right now it doesn't look all that good for Biden and it seems congress will remain as b4 and the only blue wave will be those gasping for air in emergency rooms.
But that's the thing. What I'm afraid is that the other side might not watch it calmly. In fact, even they win, Conservatives could act violently. Guys, be safe.
Gonna sip a shot of Jamison straight up, hope for peace and work on our ancestry since it seems that an EU passport is a possibility and perhaps travel will once again be a reality late '21 or sometime in '22.
Why is everything so familiar. We had the same thing in the local elections. The obvious party made a victory speech before the results were in. It was very close. Then re-election, re-count and they have lost.I have absolutely no idea, and that scares me.
What is he doing? Is it that certain? This alone would cause violence if he loses in the end because all those groups are now brainwashed with a Trump Victory. Like instant soup.
What is going on?
I hate the red statesSome of the red states are getting bluer and vice versa. NC, Georgia, Arizona are all toss-ups. Meanwhile, the Great Lakes states plus Pennsylvania are no longer reliably blue.
I hate the red states
Meanwhile in the Middle East...Trump supporters and Biden supporters here have been insulting, cussing and cursing each other the whole day. It's disgusting. Also the fascist group banned by the French a few days ago has been supporting Trump very loudly and moronically considering the slogans, wtf? They sound like they want to adopt him.
I wouldn't be surprised if violence broke out. Oh everything is so stupid.
Meanwhile in the Middle East...Turkish Trump supporters and Biden supporters here have been insulting, cussing and cursing each other the whole day. It's disgusting. Also the fascist group banned by the French a few days ago has been supporting Trump very loudly and moronically considering the slogans, wtf? They sound like they want to adopt him.
I wouldn't be surprised if violence broke out. Oh everything is so stupid.
The world of stupid
Man kills man who kills again
The ride never ends
Meanwhile in the Middle East...Turkish Trump supporters and Biden supporters here have been insulting, cussing and cursing each other the whole day.Is...is that a thing? I've been so preoccupied with US politics that you could tell me that all of South America got swallowed up by the sea and I'd probably take your word for it. Also, 3 hours sleep.
Is...is that a thing? I've been so preoccupied with US politics that you could tell me that all of South America got swallowed up by the sea and I'd probably take your word for it. Also, 3 hours sleep.
Trump is petitioning the court to stop the ballot counting in Michigan? This is crazy. Just stop counting before Biden gets ahead. The scary thing is I'm never surprised by some of the shit the courts do: "Sure, sure. We'll halt the ballot counting. It's the only fair thing to do for you, Mr. Trump." I think Trump wants a riot. More chaos. More excitement. More fodder for an SNL skit.That could be a good thing. It means Trump thinks the remaining votes are not in his favor, which is good news for Biden. And that sort of disenfranchisement would surely result in a lengthy legal battle and that sort of power grabbing behavior would surely de-legitimize Trump.
How the hell does that happen? If anyone has a guess, lay it on me.Been trying to sort that one out myself. Polling isn't an exact science, but it is a science. I have heard anecdotal evidence that Republicans are less likely to respond to a pollster (and one idiot on another forum I'm on who proudly admits he deliberately lies to pollsters) but can that really be widespread enough for this kind of variance?
News is a bit dodgy here, and not up to date. But is it true that Biden took Michigan? And if he takes Nevada, with 6 representatives, does he win?That's what I read. However, I'm cautious about this because I've read headlines that Biden won Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona before he actually won them. Yesterday, I even got a message from the Democratic Party saying Biden had won the election, so there's a lot of unofficial bullshit out there. Trump declared he won the election two days ago, and that made it to the headlines too. The Associated Press does call winners before all votes are counted, but they are pretty fussy about the way they do it. Still, they can make mistakes. I'm cautiously, very cautiously, optimistic that Biden could win the election at this point. Two days ago, I thought Trump had it in the bag. Now it's doubtful.
The news as far as I can see it says he has 264 out of the needed 270. And he's leading be it marginally, in Nevada.
I don't want to get my hopes up just to get them dashed again.
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How the hell does that happen? If anyone has a guess, lay it on me.
How the hell does that happen? If anyone has a guess, lay it on me.It's easy to overthink this, but my first thought is that Trump has a very strong and passionate following. While I can't understand why, it's easy to see that he does. A record turnout probably helps Democrats, but it does not lessen Trump's staggering, if un-explainable popularity. Biden does not have this sort of energy behind him. Many Democrats and most disaffected liberals are voting for him mostly because he's not Trump. This is not the kind of energy that leads to an overwhelming rout in an election.
News is a bit dodgy here, and not up to date. But is it true that Biden took Michigan? And if he takes Nevada, with 6 representatives, does he win?
The news as far as I can see it says he has 264 out of the needed 270. And he's leading be it marginally, in Nevada.
I don't want to get my hopes up just to get them dashed again.
That's what I read. However, I'm cautious about this because I've read headlines that Biden won Michigan, Wisconsin, and Arizona before he actually won them. Yesterday, I even got a message from the Democratic Party saying Biden had won the election, so there's a lot of unofficial bullshit out there. Trump declared he won the election two days ago, and that made it to the headlines too. The Associated Press does call winners before all votes are counted, but they are pretty fussy about the way they do it. Still, they can make mistakes. I'm cautiously, very cautiously, optimistic that Biden could win the election at this point. Two days ago, I thought Trump had it in the bag. Now it's doubtful.Fox, the AP and the BBC have called Arizona for Biden, and Fox's call prompting a screaming purple fit over the phone at Rupert Murdoch by the Mango Mussolini (https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/05/donald-trump-screamed-at-rupert-murdoch-over-fox-election-report-13540613/); Wisconsin and Michigan have been called for Biden by the AP. At this point, any of Nevada, Pennsylvania or Georgia will seal the deal; Biden currently leads in Nevada, and is rapidly closing the gap in both PA and GA, though whether that's going to be enough remains to be seen. So of course Lord Dampnut's legal team is demanding they stop the count while he's still ahead, because voting is only a right if you vote for who he wants.
But if Biden wins Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada, he "wins" is it's pretty much what I'm reading now. Yesterday, the source I follow had him as "won" Arizona, but all this stuff is constantly changing, it could change in the time it takes to post.
Biden ... is rapidly closing the gap in both PA and GAI heard that on NPR this morning. Two days ago, I thought both those states were forgone conclusions for Trump.
Fox, the AP and the BBC have called Arizona for BidenDon't get me wrong, I'm happy with that news, but I'm looking at the New York Times map and it has Biden with a ~2% lead in Arizona with only 86% of the results. Does AP have more recent info?
A record turnout probably helps Democrats, but it does not lessen Trump's staggering, if un-explainable popularity.But it should. It really should.
Some people have an obsession about Russia. Probably they want Putin to "do" them.Trump would like that. Also, some people are idiots too. And some are not as smart as that. It's OK because they don't even know it!
Mango Mussolini, LOL. That is good. Tangerine Idi Amin was another that made me chuckle. There is a whole reddit just for such a thing. Dоиаld тгцмр, LOL. Sorry, I obviously have too much free time lately.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrumpNicknames/
But it should. It really should.I actually made a half ass comparison by comparing Biden numbers to Trump popularity. They are two different things that don't equate. So what did I really mean? First, what we actually do know is that it was a record turnout and both parties managed to get roughly equal numbers to the polls. That's where my facts end.
Let's assume that everyone who voted for Trump in 2016 is back at the same trough in 2020. Can't fix stupid.
There were a TON of people who voted in 2020 who didn't vote in 2016. They didn't drink the Trump flavor aid. And if that vote accurately reflects the presidential approval/disapproval polls, that's enough to crush Trump in the battleground states, states that he just barely won in 2016.
So the remaining question is what woke up the half interested Republicans and got them to the polls this time? The only thing I can think of is increased popularity of Trump. Why? That's a hard question, but we do know Republicans and potential Republicans were motivated. And the "why" question can more accurately be answered by his constituents. It's also possible that lazy Republicans and potential non-voting Republicans read the coming blue wave correctly and responded to it. But I favor the popularity theory. I think he did a lot for Republicans. He woke up elements of our society and changed the country dramatically, not necessarily in what I consider good ways, but he made changes, and that in itself is extraordinary for a president IMO.Trump certainly took over the Republican Party (9 out of 10 support) and Trump certainly did his all to dominate the airwaves and connect with Republicans - through parasocial twitter relationships and through nonstop rallies, even during the pandemic (RIP Herman Cain). Trump doesn't so much have constituents as he does adoring fans. Republicans and Democrats certainly differ there.
Strike and stirke and strike and strike and strik x 100 till you have victory...https://twitter.com/Soapmoine/status/1324286193106898944
https://twitter.com/i/status/1324175651515949056
Okay, I found data that makes the election results make sense (https://news.gallup.com/poll/275792/remained-center-right-ideologically-2019.aspx). Though it's from polls (I wish I could quit you)
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Look familiar?
Bonus map:Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
https://twitter.com/Soapmoine/status/1324286193106898944
Actually pretty entertaining if you ignore what she's supporting. I wish more people reacted like that guy in the back instead of encouraging this sort of cultish magical thinking.
But even if every conservative in the US is pro-Trump (35-40% of the US, iirc), that's still not enough to account for the election results.It that percentage cannot account for Trump Support, then I don't know where else that support comes from.
It that percentage cannot account for Trump Support, then I don't know where else that support comes from.Low-information voters? Even then, I don't see how anyone who's been through the last 4 years could possibly want seconds. Apparently, they do though.
I legit can't read that map. I can't see the difference in color between 'More conservative than average' and 'about average'.You might have some form of color blindness where pink is indistinguishable from gray. Or a bad screen.
You might have some form of color blindness where pink is indistinguishable from gray. Or a bad screen.
Pink (more conservative than normal): Ohio, Kentucky, North Carolina, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona
Gray (about average): Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, Nevada
Both. I cn tell the difference on my phone, I can see now.I have what has been termed red/green color blindness. It's not that I can't tell colors, for I can. Just don't ask me to see the same color as you do. I find that red and brown are near impossible to tell apart. I flunked coloring in the 2nd grade because I was always coloring the trunk of trees red and the leaves brown. I also can mix up red and green and blue. When we were first married, my wife would say something like--did you like that blue shirt that guy was wearing?, and I'd say--what blue shirt??? And those color tests with bubbles of various sizes in which one is supposed to see numbers appearing--those are all constructed just to fuck me over. Could never see any numbers. Didn't keep me out of the Army tho.
But I do have daltonisme.
Trump's in the middle of a statement right now, trying to declare himself the winner. He's using very disturbing language. He says he wins with the "legal" votes, and says the votes that favor Biden are "illegal." If he had a real case, he'd go to the courts, not throwing a fit on national TV. If you're an American citizen, you should be very disturbed by this kind of behavior.I hope I can find a video of that.
Now he's threatening to take this to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court which he has placed three people in, two positions of which he stole. Our democracy is being threatened before our eyes.
I hope I can find a video of that.
I heard that on NPR this morning. Two days ago, I thought both those states were forgone conclusions for Trump.As of 21.30ET, the gap in Georgia is 1900 votes with about 50,000 left to count. in PA it's 42,000 with about 400,000 left to count. He needs to capture 55% of the remaining votes in Pennsylvania... and they're counting the mail-in ballots which heavily lean Democratic. In Georgia, he only needs to outpace 52% of the remaining ballots to take the lead, and about all that's left to count are the mail-ins, which trend Democratic, and Atlanta... which trends Democratic. And so far, the leads in Nevada and Arizona are holding up.
Well, I was expecting him to declare cheating and all, BUT did he just say interference by 'the big media, big money and big tech?! Holly molly cockwrappers... He really knows his base, doesn't he?He's projecting his own morality onto others, and it's something he does frequently. It's not an uncommon human psychological defense mechanism. People do it, usually at an unconscious level, but projecting one's own faults onto others must be something in the Guidebook For Good Republicans, because they seem to have elevated it to an art form. I always wonder if they are aware of it and doing it with forethought, or if they do it without knowing. It doesn't make any difference. It's offensive either way.
Well, I was expecting him to declare cheating and all, BUT did he just say interference by 'the big media, big money and big tech?! Holly molly cockwrappers... He really knows his base, doesn't he?Hmmmm...................'cockwrappers'.............hadn't heard that one before. :)))
Hmmmm...................'cockwrappers'.............hadn't heard that one before. :)))No, but it gets the point across.
Breaking News: Joe Biden has taken the lead in Pennsylvania as the state continues to tally votes. A win there would give him a majority of electoral votes.In the wee hours of election night when I scanned the map for data on states, Trump was 6 points ahead in Pennsylvania (or was it 8 points). This year in some ways resembles 2016, which hourly diary went something like:
In all other presidential elections both the winner and the loser have called for unity. They probably seldom mean it, but at least they say it. I don't see that happening this year. Win or lose, Trump will continue trying to divide the country, because that's what he thrives on. That's about my only prediction for the next four years.I am concerned that if Biden wins, trump will call out the dogs--he will urge his white nationalist friends to violence. He may think being able to declare martial law, or something like it, will allow him to be frozen in his presidency for awhile. He may hope that that would keep him out of jail--and he'd have nothing to lose by trying it.
In all other presidential elections both the winner and the loser have called for unity. They probably seldom mean it, but at least they say it. I don't see that happening this year. Win or lose, Trump will continue trying to divide the country, because that's what he thrives on. That's about my only prediction for the next four years.
He's projecting his own morality onto others, and it's something he does frequently. It's not an uncommon human psychological defense mechanism. People do it, usually at an unconscious level, but projecting one's own faults onto others must be something in the Guidebook For Good Republicans, because they seem to have elevated it to an art form. I always wonder if they are aware of it and doing it with forethought, or if they do it without knowing. It doesn't make any difference. It's offensive either way.
Traditionally, Republicans have gotten their financial support from corporations, but in the case of Trump, I suspect he has experienced a falloff from his corporate donors, who don't expect him to be around much longer. It would make more financial sense for CEOs to give that money to senators, because Trump's chances for election have always been iffy.
As far as cheating, it's always suspected, even by both parties, but until there is actual evidence, no one knows if it happens or not. If Trump had evidence, he would give it now. Politicians are great at making claims, but not so good at actually proving anything. I suppose they don't need proof. Poisoning the well is enough for their purposes. False information throws voters into confusion, and that's all they need.
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Most of the protests seem to agree that all the votes should be counted, but the composition of each protest seems to vary inversely with which candidate is doing better at any particular time.
Well, I was expecting him to declare cheating and all, BUT did he just say interference by 'the big media, big money and big tech?! Holly molly cockwrappers... He really knows his base, doesn't he?
No, but it gets the point across.
I am concerned that if Biden wins, trump will call out the dogs--he will urge his white nationalist friends to violence. He may think being able to declare martial law, or something like it, will allow him to be frozen in his presidency for awhile. He may hope that that would keep him out of jail--and he'd have nothing to lose by trying it.
... Traditionally, Republicans have gotten their financial support from corporations, but in the case of Trump, I suspect he has experienced a falloff from his corporate donors, who don't expect him to be around much longer. It would make more financial sense for CEOs to give that money to senators, because Trump's chances for election have always been iffy. ...
Hmmmm...................'cockwrappers'.............hadn't heard that one before. :)))
This is truly grimm, but I already understand the frailty of democracy, so it's not like a total surprise. Frankly, I'd rather have Trump win legitimately, than to watch democracy fail. But I think it will fail, maybe not this year, but then maybe this year.
This is truly grimm, but I already understand the frailty of democracy, so it's not like a total surprise. Frankly, I'd rather have Trump win legitimately, than to watch democracy fail. But I think it will fail, maybe not this year, but then maybe this year.Trump cannot win 'legitimately' because of all the shit he has pulled. If he is declared the next president, that will be the end of the republic as we thought we knew it. He will become a dictator/mob boss and that will be that. But, even if Biden wins, that does not mean we will save the 'republic', nor will we ever go back to the way it was.
Trump cannot win 'legitimately' because of all the shit he has pulled. If he is declared the next president, that will be the end of the republic as we thought we knew it. He will become a dictator/mob boss and that will be that. But, even if Biden wins, that does not mean we will save the 'republic', nor will we ever go back to the way it was.That's what I think. But I don't see Trump as the ultimate problem, and I don't see Biden as the solution. But what we understood about our government was in a large part a myth, and I think you and I recognized much of this a long time ago. Technically, it never was a democracy except those that came before us maintained it as a democracy. We have a republic that we cooperatively treated like a democracy. So what's bad about a republic? Well, the Soviet Union comes to mind, and that place was a shit hole.
That's what I think. But I don't see Trump as the ultimate problem, and I don't see Biden as the solution. But what we understood about our government was in a large part a myth, and I think you and I recognized much of this a long time ago. Technically, it never was a democracy except those that came before us maintained it as a democracy. We have a republic that we cooperatively treated like a democracy. So what's bad about a republic? Well, the Soviet Union comes to mind, and that place was a shit hole.The entire last four years, including this election, no matter who 'wins' has caused me to begin the process of rethinking and reevaluating, what our country has been, is now and what it will become. Not an easy task for me--there is just so much I find bewildering. I am simply still floored by the amount of hatred that is this country.
If Trump refuses to leave, he will be installed not by the people, but a small group controlled by the wealth of the country. Or it could be someone no one has ever heard of. "The people" will simply be removed from the equation altogether and replaced by something like a Politburo.
I predicted this, but I didn't think I'd see it in my life. And I don't imagine seeing it recycling itself 4, 8, or 12 years down the road. Our leaders will have grown used to it, and would have little reason to give it up. Democracy is not some self correcting system. It only works with cooperation, and as divided as the country is, cooperation is no longer even on the table. We have been trained from the top down to divide ourselves rather than unify so that someone else can step in and control. Was this the plan or some inevitable outcome? I don't know.
In the wee hours of election night when I scanned the map for data on states, Trump was 6 points ahead in Pennsylvania (or was it 8 points). This year in some ways resembles 2016, which hourly diary went something like:Assuming everything holds as-is with Trump holding NC and Biden picking off AZ, NV, PA and GA, the electoral vote totals will be 306-232 in Biden's favor... which was the same as Trump and Hillary's EV totals in 2016 (ignoring faithless electors). I find that to be a tasty little irony.
09 PM Hillary projected to win!
10 PM Hillary projected to win!
11 PM Hillary projected to win!
12 AM Hillary projected to win!
01 AM Hillary projected to win!
02 AM Hillary projected to win!
03 AM Hillary projected to win!
04 AM Trump wins election!
Well, I guess when it comes down to it, it's quite different. The only similarity being the end may surprise us.
Assuming everything holds as-is with Trump holding NC:( I got everyone I know to vote this year. Literally everyone in the family voted for Biden - solid blues, lean blues, someone who doesn't normally vote and even one Republican who doesn't like Trump. But apparently us blue city-slickers got outvoted by the rural civil war reenactors.
:( I got everyone I know to vote this year. Literally everyone in the family voted for Biden - solid blues, lean blues, someone who doesn't normally vote and even one Republican who doesn't like Trump. But apparently us blue city-slickers got outvoted by the rural civil war reenactors.
Now we look like idiots, with Georgia and Arizona showing us up.
Feels bad man.
:( I got everyone I know to vote this year. Literally everyone in the family voted for Biden - solid blues, lean blues, someone who doesn't normally vote and even one Republican who doesn't like Trump. But apparently us blue city-slickers got outvoted by the rural civil war reenactors.As an Ohioan, I know how you feel.
Now we look like idiots, with Georgia and Arizona showing us up.
Feels bad man.
I haven't seen Colbert for years. He took over the the Tonight Show and said he was leaving the political stuff behind, because the Tonight Show was for a broader audience. So I was surprised by this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZWRhLW7Y8w
Interesting...
News here has just reported Biden as the 46th president of The Unites States of America.
Biden won the election. Hail Satan! This is a relief, but we all know this isn't the end. Now we just have to wait to see how Trump reacts to this news. If he will concede or not. My bets are on not. Rather than concede peacefully and encourage unity, he's going to call for division and refuse to leave.
Trump is the pimple we see, the far more dangerous, is the festering infection underneath that pushed him to the top.
Trump cannot win 'legitimately' because of all the shit he has pulled. If he is declared the next president, that will be the end of the republic as we thought we knew it. He will become a dictator/mob boss and that will be that. But, even if Biden wins, that does not mean we will save the 'republic', nor will we ever go back to the way it was.
This is truly grimm, but I already understand the frailty of democracy, so it's not like a total surprise. Frankly, I'd rather have Trump win legitimately, than to watch democracy fail. But I think it will fail, maybe not this year, but then maybe this year.
If Trump wins, he will continue to grab power for the Republican party. Trump has been taking advice from William Barr. And if that doesn't scare you... Watch this, and it will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE63HmOYGps
Basically, if Trump wins, we're fucked. Trump thinks he's a king who can do whatever he wants. A legitimate Trump victory would only fuel that mindset. He might even decide he can stay beyond his two terms, if he wants to. This needs to be nipped in the bud now, not later.
Guys, be safe.
The entire last four years, including this election, no matter who 'wins' has caused me to begin the process of rethinking and reevaluating, what our country has been, is now and what it will become. Not an easy task for me--there is just so much I find bewildering. I am simply still floored by the amount of hatred that is this country.
Baruch, rein yourself in, would ya kindly ?
Enjoy your authoritarian EU. Do they pick cotton over there?
Baruch, rein yourself in, would ya kindly ?
I understand you have a lot of pent up energy right now. But none of us care.
Seriously, even putting him on ignore isn't enough. So often I click on a thread, seeing there are new replies, and it's just a page full of Baruch. We need a Super Ignore button that doesn't even show the prompt to see the reply, and just skips it entirely.
Seriously, even putting him on ignore isn't enough. So often I click on a thread, seeing there are new replies, and it's just a page full of Baruch. We need a Super Ignore button that doesn't even show the prompt to see the reply, and just skips it entirely.
Wouldn't know.. I refuse to use the ignore function for anyone. But yes, he's being extra himself.
This is because of the election mess. I certainly enjoy all the "crazy" posts. Much more entertaining what regular folks think than MSM.
No, you've been like this for a while. When I first joined this forum, I liked you. You were odd, and I often had no idea WTF you were saying, but you seemed smart. I liked reading your unique perspective as a theist, and as a theist who thought God was evil. That was a unique perspective I've never heard before. But lately, you've turned into nothing but an massive annoyance, and that's pretty sad.
And I don't care if Europe (not GB) gets occupied by Islam or China. Defend yourselves, losers.
Really? Because honestly my impression of you these past few years has been that you are rather obsessed about that subject, amongst others...
In any case, I tried. I think I might be one of the last people here who is no worse than neutral to your presence, Baruch. Please do know that what I urge is not in ill intent. But to both your and our benefit, in my humble opinion.
Has some points, but I think we need to try working together..Is that even possible?
https://youtu.be/6p6Wyusk5RY
No, you've been like this for a while. When I first joined this forum, I liked you. You were odd, and I often had no idea WTF you were saying, but you seemed smart. I liked reading your unique perspective as a theist, and as a theist who thought God was evil. That was a unique perspective I've never heard before. But lately, you've turned into nothing but a massive annoyance, and that's pretty sad.
The thing is I don't think he's voted for Trump. What's the deal?
Anyway, let's get back to some normalcy. Where were we? The global plague, far right parties everywhere around the world, all kinds of terrorism, massive fires, earthquakes, billions of batshit crazy people...etc.
He's retired. I think he has retirement depression.
Has some points, but I think we need to try working together..Is that even possible?
https://youtu.be/6p6Wyusk5RY
Really? The Trumpets are calling for beheadings now? Who do they think they are, the Taliban?
Really? The Trumpets are calling for beheadings now? Who do they think they are, they Taliban?Yes (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/nyregion/bannon-lawyer-beheading.html). And they prefer the term Y'all-qaeda.
I can do no better than to quote, believe it or not, a Republican president:After two close calls, we really should do something to make sure this stuff doesn't happen again. Because number 3 might be the one that ruins the country for good.
He did want us to go back to the moon
He did want us to go back to the moonFortunately, Biden is also a NASA supporter, so Artemis is not necessarily off the table.
Maybe that's where the secret Deep State base is hidden.
Fortunately, Biden is also a NASA supporter, so Artemis is not necessarily off the table.One day we may need to leave this battered planet but for now I would not be opposed to redirecting some of the great minds at NASA to join in with other experts in a think tank to work on the climate change problem. Tropical Storm Eta, FFS. We have lost much valuable time with our anti-science "leaders".
No kidding. One of my main reasons for voting Biden is that he intends to actually tackle climate change, not deny it away. The clock is ticking and it's way past time that there was an adult in the room calling the shots. Still, it might be too late to avoid a lot of the bad consequences of ignoring climate change, but not too late to avoid the truly horrific stuff - stuff that 4 more years of Trump would have surely steered us towards. We have a lot of lost time to make up for and Republican stonewalling to overcome.
(https://i.imgur.com/bEuWjrJ.png)I'm gonna have a go, keeping in mind that you have to take my word for it that I haven't googled it.
https://twitter.com/ziyatong/status/1324925633831579649
Nova Scotia... My mother's family is from there and we used to visit. My first experience of a house with no running water.Yeah, I looked 'em up after I made my guess. So I know the other one I forgot, too. :)
What's a province?Is it like a commonwealth?
(https://i.imgur.com/bEuWjrJ.png)Actually, I can and just did, even though I never bothered knowing there were thirteen.
https://twitter.com/ziyatong/status/1324925633831579649
Actually, I can and just did, even though I never bothered knowing there were thirteen.
I'll also tell you that when asked to name the 50 states, I've never done it. It's been a long time since I tried. Maybe I could do it now. I don't know.
What's a province?It's funny because Canadians still can't name all 50 states or where they're located. Neither can Europeans, without looking at a map. In their defense, though, most people in the U.S. can't either.
Imma try and failThat was actually really good. I always forget about Vermont and Wyoming, for some reason.
Imma try and failThe problem is that it's a long list. Almost any American can tell you it's a state when they hear it, but it's easy to leave one out. I try to picture a map of the US, but when I get over to the Atlantic Seaboard, there's that little cluster of states by Washington DC, that's so small, it doesn't even show up in my mind map. I just know, "Oh that's the part that has all those little states." Other times I might leave out a big state like Alabama or Utah. We were supposed to learn this in grade school, but I can't remember ever being able to do it. Frankly, it didn't seem that important.
The problem is that it's a long list. Almost any American can tell you it's a state when they hear it, but it's easy to leave one out. I try to picture a map of the US, but when I get over to the Atlantic Seaboard, there's that little cluster of states by Washington DC, that's so small, it doesn't even show up in my mind map. I just know, "Oh that's the part that has all those little states." Other times I might leave out a big state like Alabama or Utah. We were supposed to learn this in grade school, but I can't remember ever being able to do it. Frankly, it didn't seem that important.
They other thing we were supposed to learn were the state capitols. That never seemed important, and now with Google, learning them really strikes me as a total waste of time. Remember learning arithmetic? You know addition, multiplication tables and all that. Now that was obviously necessary, at least at the time, but today they don't seem to stress that. Just use a calculator. Why bother knowing about carrying the left over into the next step of division and all that. We have computers for that drudgery. For spelling we have spell check, although it sometimes renders rather odd sentences when it's self correcting.
Times are changing. If you don't like facts, just use alternate facts.
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Arguably, they did a better job there than the coronavirus response.
Our first, second gentleman...
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You have a weird way of showing it.
OK, I need to confess something. She is going to eat all of them alive. And that makes me happy.
Trump seems awful quiet lately, or has the media lost interest in him?We can only hope.
In addition to repeatedly saying Democrats should be killed, he shared memes from conspiracy theory QAnon and claimed that the election was being stolen.
Somebody had on Fox News in the break room today. Probably the same person who keeps turning it on to the religious channels on Sundays... But it was kind of interesting hearing how they were talking about the Biden victory. They weren't in denial about Biden's victory, and it almost seemed to me like they were relieved. Of course, this is still Fox News, so mileage will vary based on the show you're watching there.There are some indications that Murdoch and his media group are turning on Trump (https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/07/business/fox-news-rupert-murdoch-trump/). The 'straight news' anchors haven't been hesitant about calling the talking heads' misinformation exactly that, which suggests the corporate Christmas party should be an interesting affair...
Trump seems awful quiet lately, or has the media lost interest in him? I know he's working on his court case stuff. Well his lawyers are, but it's not like him to remain silent for more than 20 minutes.
Ha! The price of tweeting like an asshole, lying through your teeth for 4 years because you know people have to pay attention due to your station is that the moment you lose it, nobody's going to give the slightest fuck.I have enjoyed the silence for sure. It's part of that post election calm not having to hear all about all his toxic comments and divisive tweets. It's embarrassing to me. He will no doubt remain as an outside agitator and a powerful voice against national unity, and he will gain some attention, but he won't have the power to directly push the buttons of discord. He turned the presidency into a job that would be better off left unfilled. An empty desk in the White House would be an improvement. I don't expect much from Biden, but he's preferable to that lunatic.
He'll try anything probably. Don't be surprised if he tries to declare create scandals.
“Every legal challenge should be heard,” Representative Kevin McCarthy of California said. “Then and only then will America decide who won the race.”Credit...Anna Moneymaker for The New York TimesWell OK, but a 4 million plus vote from a majority works too, and presidents have been seated with far less. I hope we don't have to go through this every time some loser gets his ass kicked in an election from now on.
Crazy stuff is happening here. Minister of economy has resigned and there was no news on the tv channels. All over social media though. (The minister was his son in law. LOL, yeah.) Head of the central bank was removed. I have no idea if this is some ruse or something real is going on. :boohoo: The fear of the American Democrats? What? I didn't say anything. :kidra:It's times like this when a little help from the media could be useful. Mysterious actions by a government are spooky, and don't build confidence in leadership.
An empty desk in the White House would be an improvement. I don't expect much from Biden, but he's preferable to that lunatic.I am a natural optimist (one reason these last 4 yrs have been so hard for me) and I think you may be selling Biden a bit short. This is my thought at this moment--feel free to kick holes in it. :) Biden is just the right personality that is needed right now. He has 50yrs of political 'service'. He knows the people in congress and the other 'movers and shakers'. He is highly regarded in most circles in DC. He has a history of caring (or at least respecting) for people, has a reputation of being a healer, of being able to be empathetic and sympathetic. He has a task of undoing the trump evil and I think he can do that long, slow job. He will not do anything groundbreaking, but doing repair work, work that he has done in the past (just not to the level he will need to do it now). I do not see him fired up, or even caring much about, any career building that a younger politician would care about. I can even see him stepping down after 4 years of repair and letting the younger dems take over. Biden does not have an ego problem. I see him thinking of himself of more of a bridge than hard-charger for change. Anyway, he very well may be just the thing we need now in DC.
I am a natural optimist (one reason these last 4 yrs have been so hard for me) and I think you may be selling Biden a bit short.I just don't expect much from him. He made that clear. Not sure that's selling him short. But I'm open to progress. Boy am I open! Right now the Republicans are the progressive party. Dems are dragging their feet just following along, and didn't accomplish much during Obama. He bailed out a bunch of corrupt bankers, and came up with health insurance that helped the needy, but helped the private insurance companies more. Where's that money come from? Now we have Obama light, but without a sympathetic Senate.
It's times like this when a little help from the media could be useful. Mysterious actions by a government are spooky, and don't build confidence in leadership.
I only need for them not to fuck up the affordable care act. Finally have reasonable coverage at a decent cost or vice versa. Of course that orange splash of voted-out hog-smegma has filed with that supreme court of religious jesters to overthrow my policy in the middle of a pandemic.
It's times like this when a little help from the media could be useful. Mysterious actions by a government are spooky, and don't build confidence in leadership.
NYTHow long is it to January?
Mr. Esper’s downfall had been expected for months, after he took the rare step in June of disagreeing publicly with Mr. Trump and saying that active-duty military troops should not be sent to control the wave of protests in American cities. The president, who had threatened to use the Insurrection Act to do exactly that, was furious, officials said.
I am a natural optimist (one reason these last 4 yrs have been so hard for me) and I think you may be selling Biden a bit short. This is my thought at this moment--feel free to kick holes in it. :) Biden is just the right personality that is needed right now. He has 50yrs of political 'service'. He knows the people in congress and the other 'movers and shakers'. He is highly regarded in most circles in DC. He has a history of caring (or at least respecting) for people, has a reputation of being a healer, of being able to be empathetic and sympathetic. He has a task of undoing the trump evil and I think he can do that long, slow job. He will not do anything groundbreaking, but doing repair work, work that he has done in the past (just not to the level he will need to do it now). I do not see him fired up, or even caring much about, any career building that a younger politician would care about. I can even see him stepping down after 4 years of repair and letting the younger dems take over. Biden does not have an ego problem. I see him thinking of himself of more of a bridge than hard-charger for change. Anyway, he very well may be just the thing we need now in DC.
Neither support eliminating private insurance and replacing it with Medicare-for-All.(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/36621003/itd-be-a-lot-cooler-if-you-did.jpg)
(https://i.redd.it/7011elnm4yx51.jpg)I guess you could say they were caught between a cock and a charred place.
Arguably, they did a better job there than the coronavirus response.
Biden's goal has been described several times as to bring the Left and the Right together, and to promote compromise over party divisionThat's a laudable goal though I personally doubt the Right will be receptive to it. They're too used to sabre-rattling and sectarian warfare to give it up now. Personally, I believe this is going to end up like the Aesop's fable about the frog and the scorpion. But hey, it might turn out like the turtle and the scorpion. You never know. Either way, I'm glad I'm not the one sticking my neck out.
I believe that he genuinely means that, and his personal relationship with McConnell. Now, McConnell is one of the most partisan Republicans in office, but if Biden is able to get through to him, maybe we can actually get some stuff done.I wouldn't count on it, unfortunately. I expect McConnell to behave no differently than he has during Trump and Obama presidencies.
I don't agree with Philip Klein. Actually, I don't agree with the general idea of 'if Trump was or had done...' What's that? Conservative apologetics? The problem is not one man.His strength is in his salesmanship for sure. He did tap into something in America that I thought was long dead, and I think many others thought it was a dead issue too. Could he have made more changes that would have strengthened his support? Maybe, but he didn't. He played to his main strengths and then dramatically increased his support in his second election by playing to those strengths.
If Trump had acted like a president that man described, he wouldn't have had this support and the following. He wouldn't have even won. Trump knows this better than his critiques, because he has read America better than anyone as a salesman for the period. That's his real job.
Do you honestly think, as a person, Donald Trump is so stupid that he doesn't understand the difference of his own style and what has been before him in that office?I've wondered about that a lot. Is the man smart or stupid? Probably a bit of both. He's a Hell of a salesman, and that takes smarts, at least smarts of a psychopathic nature. As a politician, maybe not so smart. Bottom line, he's lacking in the intelligence required to stay in office as much as today's pollsters are lacking the knowledge of predicting political outcomes. It may just be that he happened to be good at the things that successful politicians need in TODAY'S political environment. He just happened to show up at the right time, speaking to the emotions of people, rather than their intellect. He just hasn't mastered the art of knowing when to stop pushing buttons when he needs to. This was evident in the last months before the election, instead of softening his positions and reaching out across the isle when it looked like things were going south, he doubled down on what he does best. But it only works with less than half of the voters, and half of those voters don't usually show up at the polls, except for this year.
The problem is not Trump. It's a symptom. Trump was just there and he fit. They will create their own Trump if necessary.That's what I think. He was just in the right place at the right time, talking to a nation in decay.
It's the certain group of people. What do they want? Do they actually want anything at all or is this just about being a part of something they think is meaningful? What is it?That's a hard question, and I can't even speculate.
If you believe that Noah built an Ark and filled it with dinosaurs and your vacation to the Ark Encounter in Kentucky was astonishing, then Bill Gates creating a virus so he can vaccinate the population with his 5G chips must easily seem plausible.
The elephant in the room is always religion. If you are taught as a kid to swallow all that nonsense; you are set-up to TRUELY believe anything and everything, as along as it suits your purposes. It lowers the rationality threshold standards of a society. This is why so many rabid tRumpsters happen to go big on Cheese-us and suck up conspiracy after conspiracy. The only way out is subsequent generations that largely ditch the faith. Not there yet, but the boomers are dying out and it seems their kids do have better vision.
It's a certain group of people. What do they want? Do they actually want anything at all or is this just about being a part of something they think is meaningful? What is it?
I don't understand why so many people are puzzled by Trump's appeal? It isn't like this is a fringe group, it's almost half the voters in the US. People voted for Trump for a variety of reasons and if you listen to Trump voters many of these reasons make sense. Just sit down with a Trump voter and listen to their story.
I don't understand why so many people are puzzled by Trump's appeal? It isn't like this is a fringe group, it's almost half the voters in the US. People voted for Trump for a variety of reasons and if you listen to Trump voters many of these reasons make sense. Just sit down with a Trump voter and listen to their story.I was, and am, still puzzled by trump's followers. Part of that, is that trump is the symptom and not the actual source of the disease. I had not an inkling that our society was THAT sick. Now I know. Trump tapped into that huge part of our society that I thought was only a tiny fraction. I think I ended up being the 'stupid' one in that I really thought racism was on the run, white nationalism/nazism was waning, the middle class was making headway, immigration was still mostly favored, and that conservatism (of the William Buckley type) was losing steam--and I could go on and on. That tRumpism is not the cause and just the symptom will take awhile for me to fully grok. I also knew that all organized religions are a generally destructive force, I simply did not realize just how MUCH christianity is destructive to this society. As it turns out, the Howard Zinn's of the world were under reporting just how sick this society was/is. That will take awhile for me to take in and re-evaluate it all.
I was, and am, still puzzled by trump's followers. Part of that, is that trump is the symptom and not the actual source of the disease. I had not an inkling that our society was THAT sick. Now I know. Trump tapped into that huge part of our society that I thought was only a tiny fraction. I think I ended up being the 'stupid' one in that I really thought racism was on the run, white nationalism/nazism was waning, the middle class was making headway, immigration was still mostly favored, and that conservatism (of the William Buckley type) was losing steam--and I could go on and on. That tRumpism is not the cause and just the symptom will take awhile for me to fully grok. I also knew that all organized religions are a generally destructive force, I simply did not realize just how MUCH christianity is destructive to this society. As it turns out, the Howard Zinn's of the world were under reporting just how sick this society was/is. That will take awhile for me to take in and re-evaluate it all.
And I have talked with my trumpy neighbors (which is all of them!) about things and I walk away wondering about their overriding hate.
The only way out is subsequent generations that largely ditch the faith. Not there yet, but the boomers are dying out and it seems their kids do have better vision.That seems to be the case, though I'm flabberghasted about the why of it.
.... I also knew that all organized religions are a generally destructive force, I simply did not realize just how MUCH christianity is destructive to this society....As many great minds have pointed out, the Nazis had centuries in the practice of worshiping a charismatic savior and disparaging competing religions. When Adolph came along, they were primed and ready to be saved. As for the godless communist dictatorships, they were also ready to simply swap one totalitarian celestial party with a community of earthly administrators for an earthly party and a secret celestial totalitarian leader.
. This is why so many rabid tRumpsters happen to go big on Cheese-us and suck up conspiracy after conspiracy. The only way out is subsequent generations that largely ditch the faith. .
As many great minds have pointed out, the Nazis had centuries in the practice of worshiping a charismatic savior and disparaging competing religions. When Adolph came along, they were primed and ready to be saved. As for the godless communist dictatorships, they were also ready to simply swap one totalitarian celestial party with a community of earthly administrators for an earthly party and a secret celestial totalitarian leader.
The elephant in the room is always religion. If you are taught as a kid to swallow all that nonsense; you are set-up to TRUELY believe anything and everything, as along as it suits your purposes. It lowers the rationality threshold standards of a society. This is why so many rabid tRumpsters happen to go big on Cheese-us and suck up conspiracy after conspiracy. The only way out is subsequent generations that largely ditch the faith. Not there yet, but the boomers are dying out and it seems their kids do have better vision.
What drives me crazy is that both sides HAVE to be religious. Both sides consider religiosity a virtue. Yet, despite this, Republicans will still pretend that the entire Democratic party are atheists. Yeah, I fucking wish atheists had any power in government. I'm tired of religion being used as a crutch in this country.
Trump is supposedly raising funds for an election legal battle but it's actually going towards paying off campaign debt (https://www.businessinsider.com/donations-trump-legal-fund-spent-on-paying-off-campaign-debt-2020-11)
I can't even begin to think of all the ways Trump is going to use his term as president to financial advantage for his family and himself.
It's been reported that Trump's crowdfunding to fight the legal battles against the "voter fraud" he is claiming to have happened, is actually being used to pay his campaign debts... lol
https://www.salon.com/2020/11/09/fine-print-on-trump-legal-challenge-fundraising-emails-says-money-will-be-used-to-pay-campaign-debt/
https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-flurry-campaign-defense-fund-094844061.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/donations-trump-legal-fund-spent-on-paying-off-campaign-debt-2020-11
Money is evil. Please send me yours ;-)
I can't even begin to think of all the ways Trump is going to use his term as president to financial advantage for his family and himself.
It's been reported that Trump's crowdfunding to fight the legal battles against the "voter fraud" he is claiming to have happened, is actually being used to pay his campaign debts... lolGah, I saw your post, liked it, then posted the same news article later. D'oh! Person, man, woman, camera, I forget the last one lol.
Money IS evil, so I have none to send you.
;-)
I can't even begin to think of all the ways Trump is going to use his term as president to financial advantage for his family and himself.......'going to use' (insert) and has been using....................
WASHINGTON (AP) — Refusing to concede a presidential election he lost, President Donald Trump sought falsely to take full credit for drugmaker Pfizer Inc.’s announcement that its COVID-19 vaccine may be 90% effective, wrongly asserted the vaccine news was delayed until after Election Day to undermine him and repeated baseless claims of voter fraud.I'm thinking this must have been posted already, but I can't remember seeing it.
You are the only person posting here who isn't a hypocrite.I seriously doubt that. I've seen little hypocracy from the regular posters, but the drive-bys are often full of it.
It seems like for the last week or so, I've become aware of main stream media qualifying Trump statements as false.Yeah, they finally grew a backbone now that they know he's done for. Previously, it would just be a "controversy" and he-said-she-said between Trump and whoever was more or less forced to defend reality that week.
Dean Browning is black?Not any more than I'm a gay goth archbishop.
I seriously doubt that. I've seen little hypocracy from the regular posters, but the drive-bys are often full of it.
Social media users have claimed a video shows police finding thousands of ballots for U.S. President Donald Trump dumped in a field. This is not true; local police report that the footage actually shows discarded Amazon packages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bigN7DY3SKQ
President Biden sure has his work cut out for him. And tactically, I dunno if offering these people an olive branch is the right call, but I guess you have to try, fruitless as it may be.
Baruch, things are not now as they were 160 years ago. Catch up with current events!
;-)
I guess he never gets lonely that way.
In the United States, the gradual introduction of Fox News coverage in communities around the country has been directly linked to an increase in Republican vote share
Nature: Trump uses Twitter to divert discussion on politically damaging topics (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19644-6)Impressed with Biden already. I was reading in the den and the TV was on faintly in the other room. I heard a reassuring voice of reason intelligently speaking about health insurance and also about a task force that will provide a measured response to the pandemic as required. For a moment I thought I was just dreaming. I was awake !!!
Ever wonder why Trump says something completely batshit and extremely attention-grabbing? It's because some politically-damaging news recently came out and he wants you to pay attention to him and not the politically-damaging news.
Nothing we didn't already suspect, but the internet in general and Twitter in particular have been used to set the agenda (i.e. determine what gets discussed and what doesn't). It should be noted that Trump's technique has parallels to how they do things in China - where the news cycle gets saturated with stories that the PRC doesn't find politically objectionable to overwhelm coverage of stories that they do.
And if you think Trump and other Republicans haven't picked up on this, you're wrong.
There are other interesting tidbits in the article:
Impressed with Biden already. I was reading in the den and the TV was on faintly in the other room. I heard a reassuring voice of reason intelligently speaking about health insurance and also about a task force that will provide a measured response to the pandemic as required. For a moment I thought I was just dreaming. I was awake !!!Same here. I think we had a couple days without presidential scandal after the race was called, which was a breath of fresh air. And I find myself more impressed than I normally would be by complete sentences and a good grasp on reality.
Lol, Biden the rebound president.
Lol, Biden the rebound president.
Lol, Biden the rebound president.You kid, but on an emotional level, it's very similar to that.
But when we broke up with our asshole ex, he didn't take it well - he claimed that we didn't mean it and says he doesn't need to pack because he doesn't intend to leave. Pretty disturbing stuff. In 2 months, when the lease is up, the new one is all set to move in and there might be a fight. And it's not all that clear how that's gonna play out.He seems to admire dictators. Unless that was just some phony part of building relationships with foreign governments, it's pretty easy to see that he does not have much respect for voters or voting, and fraudulent elections would fit very well into his political strategies, which may explain why he seems to think everyone else is doing it. A straight out power play doesn't seem like it could possibly succeed in America, although some Republicans probably wouldn't mind at all. Right now, he's testing his options to see how much monkey business he can get away with as president. If this doesn't work, his only open option involves being seated by the congressional delegation, or maybe he's thinking this new Secretary of Defense would call up the armed forces to keep him in office. Sound crazy? Yep, but then Trump has never acted rationally since he came into power.
GOP Senator says it's too soon to declare Biden President Elect because Puerto Rico isn't done counting yet (https://www.yahoo.com/now/texas-senator-suggests-too-soon-043000810.html)
(https://i.imgur.com/DMOj22z.png)
Umm... What? How do you make it to Senate without even knowing what is and is not a state?"Do you not know, my son, with how very little wisdom the world is governed?" - Axel Oxenstierna, 1648
Tuberville told columnist Todd Stacy that he’d just gone through an abbreviated orientation for new lawmakers, noting “we all had to go through the same time, Republican and Democrat, and it was fun, a good group. They pretty much jam three days into a day and a half because of the COVID.”It might be a good idea to take a whole week for this stuff. It's kinda important. Ideally, knowing the basics of civics would be a prerequisite for running for office, but I guess the GOP has to work with what they got.
Presidential Election ‘Most Secure’ In History, Top Security Experts At DHS Say
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2020-election-most-secure-dhs_n_5fadd55cc5b6370e7e3158ca
Right now... today... we are watching a potential crisis that in all my years, I'd never thought I would have to watch.Yep! Same here. Have I been sent back to Germany, 1932????
Today's Alabama US Civics Lesson : The 3 branches of federal gov'ment are:
1) Donald
2) Ivanka (he'd date her...)
3) Jared
55 Percent Of White Women, 18 Percent Of Black Men Voted For Donald Trump: Exit PollThese were exit polls. I don't know for sure, but it probably doesn't include mail in ballots. Remember what a rout it looked like when only election day ballots were being totaled? This may fairly well reflect those votes.
https://www.essence.com/news/politics/55-percent-white-women-trump-election-2020/
What the flying fuck!!!!! Apparently Trump increased his vote totals across the board. Yes, this is a sick, sick, ugly, stupid country! White women 56% for the orange fuck???!!!
These were exit polls. I don't know for sure, but it probably doesn't include mail in ballots. Remember what a rout it looked like when only election day ballots were being totaled? This may fairly well reflect those votes.Didn't think of that. Hope you are right.
It still sickens me that Trump did as well as he did. It's one thing voting for the moron in 2016. But after four years of seeing him in action, they can't use ignorance as an excuse any more. These people saw him tearing children from their mothers, they saw several people who acted on his behalf being convicted of crimes (pleading guilty, in some cases), they saw him dismiss the Corona Virus as a Liberal conspiracy and do next to nothing to slow the spread, they saw him insult veterans alive and dead, and more, and they STILL voted for him. America is a nation full of idiots and assholes.Case in point, a musician I have played with in bands before. Bad back, constant pain. Works PT as a landscaper. I showed him how to sign up on Healthcare.gov. Gets a $750/month subsidy. Finally getting set up to have back fixed. Votes for Trump.
Case in point, a musician I have played with in bands before. Bad back, constant pain. Works PT as a landscaper. I showed him how to sign up on Healthcare.gov. Gets a $750/month subsidy. Finally getting set up to have back fixed. Votes for Trump.
55 Percent Of White Women, 18 Percent Of Black Men Voted For Donald Trump: Exit Poll
https://www.essence.com/news/politics/55-percent-white-women-trump-election-2020/
What the flying fuck!!!!! Apparently Trump increased his vote totals across the board. Yes, this is a sick, sick, ugly, stupid country! White women 56% for the orange fuck???!!!
I keep thinking about Atwood’s “The Handmaid Tale” and wondering if we are slowly heading that way. Dam good book if you never read it.
Of course. Vote for the side that thinks Obamacare = Socialism, wanted to replace it with something "better" themselves (it's not Socialism when they do it?), and yet failed to get passed the barebones planning stages in the whole four years they had to try.
Of course. Vote for the side that thinks Obamacare = Socialism, wanted to replace it with something "better" themselves (it's not Socialism when they do it?), and yet failed to get passed the barebones planning stages in the whole four years they had to try.Not sure they are well enuff versed on political systems. It's simpler than that. It's about flags and "the pledge" and 1950s statues of R.E. Lee and "merry xmas" and illegal Mexicans sneaking over here to steal our jobs picking tomatoes. That is about the depth of it I am afraid.
Uh... This was unexpected... The Trumpets are marching, chanting words I never thought I'd hear from them.The words are lovely, the intent, not so much. This is like being breaking ranks with Al Qaeda because they're not radical enough and declaring your allegiance to Daesh instead.
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1327662470467555329
The words are lovely, the intent, not so much. This is like being breaking ranks with Al Qaeda because they're not radical enough and declaring your allegiance to Daesh instead.
I saw a comment saying it's like Frankenstein's Monster turning against their creator.That implies an interest in science. Maybe more like a poorly-controlled demon.
That implies an interest in science. Maybe more like a poorly-controlled demon.
Not sure they are well enuff versed on political systems. It's simpler than that. It's about flags and "the pledge" and 1950s statues of R.E. Lee and "merry xmas" and illegal Mexicans sneaking over here to steal our jobs picking tomatoes. That is about the depth of it I am afraid.
It's seems like I heard FOX news starting to get critical of Trump as much as a year ago or more. I never understood why. I thought maybe their political commentary had limits on how much bullshit it could report as news. But that seemed too out of character to be a satisfactory explanation. I can understand better why the Trump knuckle draggers would rebel against FOX, since it's just not the news they want to hear. To me is looks like all part of the public hysteria that tends to run through American society.The news division and talking-heads division have been at odds most of this election season. It's been fun to watch.
I think it's more that Fox News created this monster, and now they're turning against them. If Fox News hadn't spent so much time kissing Trump's ass, maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. But they built up Trump as this flawless god, and now he's immune from even their criticism. Welcome to the "fake news" club, Fox News.
The form of the monster on whom I had bestowed existence was for ever before my eyes, and I raved incessantly concerning him.
I think it's more that Fox News created this monster, and now they're turning against them. If Fox News hadn't spent so much time kissing Trump's ass, maybe they wouldn't be in this situation. But they built up Trump as this flawless god, and now he's immune from even their criticism. Welcome to the "fake news" club, Fox News.
Uh... This was unexpected... The Trumpets are marching, chanting words I never thought I'd hear from them.
https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1327662470467555329
Case in point, a musician I have played with in bands before. Bad back, constant pain. Works PT as a landscaper. I showed him how to sign up on Healthcare.gov. Gets a $750/month subsidy. Finally getting set up to have back fixed. Votes for Trump.
Not sure they are well enuff versed on political systems. It's simpler than that. It's about flags and "the pledge" and 1950s statues of R.E. Lee and "merry xmas" and illegal Mexicans sneaking over here to steal our jobs picking tomatoes. That is about the depth of it I am afraid.
That implies an interest in science. Maybe more like a poorly-controlled demon.
It's seems like I heard FOX news starting to get critical of Trump as much as a year ago or more. I never understood why. I thought maybe their political commentary had limits on how much bullshit it could report as news. But that seemed too out of character to be a satisfactory explanation. I can understand better why the Trump knuckle draggers would rebel against FOX, since it's just not the news they want to hear. To me is looks like all part of the public hysteria that tends to run through American society.
People will remember frankenstein as the monster, not its creator.
Is it like a commonwealth?So,.... communism?
I keep thinking about Atwood’s “The Handmaid Tale” and wondering if we are slowly heading that way. Dam good book if you never read it.
That implies an interest in science. Maybe more like a poorly-controlled demon..
(https://i.imgur.com/8DFOykh.jpg)
So,.... communism?
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Maybe a golem?
I've been expecting for a while that America would become a theocracy, but for now it's still incremental, boiling the frog slowly. But it may not stay that way for long, given the huge number of people who want an authoritarian system based on biblical law. Those are the ones who have never read their Bibles. The form a theocracy might take is hard to see, though.
I don't think a million MAGAs showed up...I get that it's hard for MAGAs to accept a Biden win. After all their voter suppression, gerrymandering, and undermining the mail, the only way Democrats could have won was by cheating.
I get that it's hard for MAGAs to accept a Biden win. After all their voter suppression, gerrymandering, and undermining the mail, the only way Democrats could have won was by cheating.