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Title: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on May 30, 2020, 09:11:58 AM
Drunkenshoe requested that an American start a topic on George Floyd. I'll start the conversation but I don't have the experience or education to properly address the concerns of black Americans. With that caveat, my perception is that what is going on isn't new and is a consequence of systemic racial injustice that has gone on for hundreds of years and has never been resolved. Black Americans are under stress right now. They are dying of COVID-19 at three times the rate of white Americans. According to Pew Research, 44% of African Americans said in April that they or someone in their household experienced a job or wage loss due to the coronavirus pandemic. While under this stress, three major news stories were published: the killing of Ahmaud Arbery by two white men, a white woman in NYC utilizing law enforcement and race to threaten a black man, and the murder of George Floyd by law enforcement. This motivated people to protest for racial justice, which has escalated into violence in some cities. Because Americans are currently highly polarized, highly stressed and facing a presidential election in November, many people are going to use these incidents to reinforce their existing political narrative.

I was pleasantly surprised that the CEO where I work sent this email:

It saddens me greatly to have to write this message to you. By now, I’m sure you have seen the brutal, tragic news of yet another unarmed black man killed. George Floyd died Monday in Minneapolis, unable to breathe after a police officer held him down for seven minutes. This follows the recent death of Ahmaud Arbery, an unarmed black jogger who was chased and fatally shot by two white men in Georgia. These killings are only the latest in a long list of similar tragedies.

As a husband, father and son myself, I can’t even begin to imagine the pain these incidents have caused. I also know that, as a white man, I have never had to deal with prejudice, discrimination or systemic racism that puts me in danger or degrades my very humanity based on the color of my skin. Yet, across our country and right here at home – in 2020, no less – black men are frequently targeted and even endangered based on their skin color. These men are our family members, our co-workers, our patients and our friends.

This is not right, and I am compelled to stand up against this, both personally and on behalf of Cone Health. Last year, I joined the CEO Action for Diversity and Inclusion coalition and promised to not only advance diversity and inclusion within our organization but also to check my personal bias, speak up for others and show up for all. As we honor our values and our commitment to being right here with all people, I encourage you to commit to doing one or all of the following things to take a stand:

•   Educate yourself – In this information age, you can explore and learn about almost anything. Take some time to learn more about our country’s history with racism,  and the impacts that we still see today. Here’s a resource to get you started. 
•   Challenge bias and racism – If you see something, say something. Be a voice against racism, one conversation at a time -- whether it’s with your friends, your family members, or your co-workers. Remember: Your silence implies tolerance of the attitude or behavior.
•   Attend an upcoming virtual “Inclusion Circle” led by the Employee Assistance Counseling Program and the Office of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion that will serve as an outlet for employees to discuss their feelings of grief, hurt and concern. Please look for details soon.

As Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said,  “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” Thank you for standing with us, taking action and living our values and brand promise by supporting racial justice for all. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 30, 2020, 11:55:57 AM
mayor of Atlanta speaks up. She makes some very good points.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVs8JXqLPs8

how is destroying the homes and businesses of african americans suppose to make america better for them? Anyone defending these violent protests needs to get their fucking heads checked.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on May 30, 2020, 12:12:45 PM
This link is of Atlanta police chief on the ground talking to protesters:

https://twitter.com/MaraGay/status/1266528230778994688?s=19

I don't know how to embed this as a video.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 30, 2020, 12:15:18 PM
yeah. People what things to change for the better there. These violent protests are not helping that however, its just making things worse.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 12:59:44 PM
There was many a case of White people being killed by police, even unarmed women.  Happens every year.  It is how police are trained, to use force first and ask questions later ... they are sociopaths with a badge.  The police (in GB and US) are there to protect the Establishment, not the people.

Police brutality would still happen, even if every American was as Black as a fellow college student of mine, from a W African village (his father could afford to send him to college in America, because he was a chief, and had many wives working hard for him).  My mother would say, Jean (his first name) is so Black he is Dark Purple.

Yes, each time a White person is killed by police, we go to White neighborhoods, loot and burn them.  No?  "The madness of crowds" doesn't follow oh to convenient political ideologies.  It is psychological.  Drunkenshoe is indoctrinated in European ideologies (nothing wrong with that) but it is about as wrong a tool for understanding America as it would be in understanding the W African village Jean came from.

Justice?  Kill all the evil monkeys, no matter their skin color.  Genocide is the only way ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 01:03:08 PM
What do you think would happen? There have never been any real protests in any period of history, anywhere around the world without riots or looting happening besides it. Unfortunately, this is how real protests look like. People die, buildings get burned down. Nobody 'defends' it. Nobody is defending it now. It's the usual outcome of a mass of people going out with rage.

You have never been in a protest in your life, have you? One person is enough for this to happen while tens of thousands go there with good intents. And with this particular issue, with a rage like this? What are they going to do, throw flowers around?

All the politicians are talking about the same thing because it is their job and they worry about the order. Nobody is trying to address these protests from a required point of view and trying to calm these people at least with a promise of justice.

Charged with third degree murder? Are you fucking kidding me? Third degree is manslaughter. This is NOT manslaughter, this is premediated murder with malicious intent. Manslaughter doesn't even include intent to kill. A 12 year old kid can tell the difference. Do you know the difference between manslaughter and first degree murder?

I swear, right wingers like those small annoying dogs. Yap yap yap dey're burniing down buildingsss yap yap yap... viooolence...yap yap yap...

On the other hand, can you even imagine for a second what would happen if a white man killed by a few black cops the way George Floyd was killed?


Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 01:03:36 PM
yeah. People what things to change for the better there. These violent protests are not helping that however, its just making things worse.

In America, you join a political party, become a party activist, and work for change.  This is what they do in the UK too.  It is what is done in every civilized country.  Group justice aka mob violence, has never improved any society, ever.  Revolutions come when one establishment displaces a previous establishment.  In Turkey, usually a military coup.  There might be a bit of Terror during the transition, but you have to break eggs to make an omelet.  (massacre the Greeks in Smyrna in 1921)  Napoleon who grapeshot cannoned Parisien rioters would agree.  Lenin first got rid of his allies, the Anarchists.  Lenin got where he was thru German war plans.  Were the peasants in Russia unhappy?  They had plenty of reasons to.  But the Soviet Union was just a more modern way of being a %&$&& Russian.

@Drunkenshoe ... yes communism is the only way.  French/German communism is superior to Russian communism.  But the EU is going to be dominated by Chinese communism.  They can't stop kow towing ;-( (France 1940)  With Russian Nord Stream assistance ;-)  Yes, we are so White, we regularly string up Black folk like it is the 1920s.  It was the communists, who suggested that racial inequality in the US would be sufficiently brittle to achieve communist take over during the chaos.  This has been communist policy since before 1950.  But MLK wasn't a communist, he was a Christian Republican.  Even Malcolm X turned into an orthodox Muslim, and died for that.  The US isn't like France 1968 (now that colleges will be shut down for Covid).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 01:07:06 PM
yeah. People what things to change for the better there. These violent protests are not helping that however, its just making things worse.

Oh you are living in another land of fake sense of security. How old were you during the London riots in 2011?

The airs you put on whenever something like this happens in the US is annoying the hell out of me. As if we don't know what kind of a shit hole you live in underneath all that posing and bullshit.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 01:08:54 PM
Oh you are living in another land of fake sense of security. How old were you during the London riots in 2011?

The airs you put on whenever something like this happens in the US is annoying the hell out of me. As if we didn't know what kind of a shit hole you live in underneath all that pose and bullshit.

It is OK to hate the UK.  OK to hate the US.  But the US will help nuke Turkey some day (sad but true).  Simply because I will support the Greeks against your country.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 01:09:28 PM
In America, you join a political party, become a party activist, and work for change.  This is what they do in the UK too.  It is what is done in every civilized country.  Group justice aka mob violence, has never improved any society, ever.  Revolutions come when one establishment displaces a previous establishment.  There might be a bit of Terror during the transition, but you have to break eggs to make an omelet.  Napoleon who grapeshot cannoned Parisien rioters would agree.  Lenin first got rid of his allies, the Anarchists.  Lenin got where he was thru German war plans.  Were the peasants in Russia unhappy?  They had plenty of reasons to.  But the Soviet Union was just a more modern way of being a %&$&& Russian.

Drunkenshoe ... yes communism is the only way.  French/German communism is superior to Russian communism.  But the EU is going to be dominated by Chinese communism.  They can't stop kow towing.  With Russian Nord Stream assistance ;-)

Not in the mood for your bullshit Baruch. Seriously.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 01:12:14 PM
Not in the mood for your bullshit Baruch. Seriously.

Remember Armenia?  Yes, they were collaborating with Russia during WWI.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: aitm on May 30, 2020, 02:36:01 PM
White people don’t riot because they have too much to lose and nothing to gain. They are still unconvinced that blacks have faced entire lives battling racism in many forms, some minor but every cut stings.

White people can never understand systemic racism, they can’t. How could they?

What I take from all the whites screaming “that’s not protesting that’s rioting!” is they admit their own cowardice, they admit, if they were in the other shoes they would simply walk along holding a sign...day after day, month after month, year after year. No matter how many of their family or friends were set upon, they would do nothing. Cowards.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 03:43:07 PM
White people don’t riot because they have too much to lose and nothing to gain. They are still unconvinced that blacks have faced entire lives battling racism in many forms, some minor but every cut stings.

White people can never understand systemic racism, they can’t. How could they?

What I take from all the whites screaming “that’s not protesting that’s rioting!” is they admit their own cowardice, they admit, if they were in the other shoes they would simply walk along holding a sign...day after day, month after month, year after year. No matter how many of their family or friends were set upon, they would do nothing. Cowards.

Good thing Whites are middle class cowards.  Or the KKK will rise again ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 30, 2020, 03:56:22 PM
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White people don’t riot because they have too much to lose and nothing to gain. They are still unconvinced that blacks have faced entire lives battling racism in many forms, some minor but every cut stings.

Watch the videos of the riots... more than half of them are white.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 03:59:29 PM
I don't think that's what he means.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on May 30, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
We’re on our third day of protests downtown; county emergency management is advising avoiding the downtown area.

I can sort of understand throwing rocks at the state house, city hall, police HQ -- I don’t approve of the violence, but that seems to me to be political action more than just destruction for destruction’s sake, and Bob knows there’s sufficient reason for the rage.

I do not understand busting up theaters and shops that just happen to be there. At a minimum, that’s counterproductive; I can sympathize to some degree with an attack on the places of power. I cannot sympathize with the destruction of a historic theater, a convenience store, a restaurant.

Things are more peaceful today -- but yesterday, our congresswoman, one of our county commissioners and our president of City Council got pepper-sprayed. And yes, they are all three African-American.

And just ten minutes ago, they have announced a curfew from 10pm to 6am until further notice and activated the state National Guard to deal with the protests.

This is why “May you live in interesting times” is a curse.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 05:41:07 PM
I don't think that's what he means.

Ethnicity.  Are the Whites Jewish, Hispanic etc?  In the 1992 LA riots, the majority of rioters were Hispanic, and the majority of property victims were Korean.  Doesn't match the Euro-communist diatribe against the US as a KKK hell hole.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 30, 2020, 05:41:53 PM
This is just a beautiful photograph for Pittsburgh.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZS4dTMWsAElOHM?format=jpg&name=large)

Austin had our interstate blockaded by protesters, which is pretty symbolic because in 23' it was literally built where it was to separate the white and black parts of town, and since then has been the racial divider... though recently rich white people (Californians) have been moving in droves to the East side and pricing the African American community out.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 05:45:07 PM
See, a draft would clear all this up.  And don't give deferment to college students this time ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 30, 2020, 05:58:04 PM
[Is there somewhere the rich Californians don't move in hordes in the States? I have been listening same things from OR and WA for years now. Inflated real estate prices.]

E: An intact apsis looks fine considering the circumstances.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: aitm on May 30, 2020, 06:04:26 PM
We’re on our third day of protests downtown; county emergency management is advising avoiding the downtown area.

I can sort of understand throwing rocks at the state house, city hall, police HQ -- I don’t approve of the violence, but that seems to me to be political action more than just destruction for destruction’s sake, and Bob knows there’s sufficient reason for the rage.

I do not understand busting up theaters and shops that just happen to be there. At a minimum, that’s counterproductive; I can sympathize to some degree with an attack on the places of power. I cannot sympathize with the destruction of a historic theater, a convenience store, a restaurant.

Things are more peaceful today -- but yesterday, our congresswoman, one of our county commissioners and our president of City Council got pepper-sprayed. And yes, they are all three African-American.

And just ten minutes ago, they have announced a curfew from 10pm to 6am until further notice and activated the state National Guard to deal with the protests.

This is why “May you live in interesting times” is a curse.
I understand and agree with you. The peaceful protest has not worked. Even on the advice of a veteran kneeling as a peaceful protest doesn't work. peaceful protests don't work.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mermaid on May 30, 2020, 06:45:33 PM
It's fucking exhausting.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 30, 2020, 07:36:53 PM
I understand and agree with you. The peaceful protest has not worked. Even on the advice of a veteran kneeling as a peaceful protest doesn't work. peaceful protests don't work.

Hello Malcolm X

Violent protests don't work either, and especially won't work with a guy like trump as your commander and chief.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mermaid on May 30, 2020, 07:43:03 PM
Hello Malcolm X

Violent protests don't work either
Untrue.

But are we sure who is perpetrating the violence?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on May 30, 2020, 07:44:11 PM
yeah. People what things to change for the better there. These violent protests are not helping that however, its just making things worse.

The riots are certainly not a good thing, but it is the only way these people are heard. You know how many people were completely apathetic to the murder of George Floyd, but are suddenly invested in the riots? A lot of people. They are part of the problem.

Racists in uniforms are allowed free reign to discriminate, harass, and even murder people of color, and the government covers up for them. I guarantee you, if there was no photographic or video evidence of the crime, nothing would have happened to the cops. Now those involved have been fired. What a slap on the wrist that is. You know what happens to people who are suspected of murder when they're not wearing a badge? They go to prison to await trail. But these guys get to wait at home, surrounded by guards to protect them until things blow over, while Conservatives play the "innocent until proven guilty" card.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on May 30, 2020, 07:46:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da_X-u0CsQQ

This is what tyranny looks like.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on May 30, 2020, 08:17:12 PM
Oh, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 30, 2020, 09:40:54 PM
The riots are certainly not a good thing, but it is the only way these people are heard. You know how many people were completely apathetic to the murder of George Floyd, but are suddenly invested in the riots? A lot of people. They are part of the problem.

Racists in uniforms are allowed free reign to discriminate, harass, and even murder people of color, and the government covers up for them. I guarantee you, if there was no photographic or video evidence of the crime, nothing would have happened to the cops. Now those involved have been fired. What a slap on the wrist that is. You know what happens to people who are suspected of murder when they're not wearing a badge? They go to prison to await trail. But these guys get to wait at home, surrounded by guards to protect them until things blow over, while Conservatives play the "innocent until proven guilty" card.

honestly, you guys over there just have a complete systematic problem all over. Your gun laws are easy and while that remains there won't be a end to things like mass shootings or all other related gun crime. Living in such a state of tension its no wonder police develop violent and trigger happy tendencies, and the worst of them it just brings out the crocked states of mind like seeing anyone they deem less then themselves as a threat and so abuse the power they have.
And because its the same systematic issue, it results in retaliation of the worst kind based on that same level of fear and tension always hanging over them.

This isn't just a case of saying 'if we fix racism it'll fix everything', because you have a lot more problems there then just that.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on May 30, 2020, 09:56:02 PM
honestly, you guys over there just have a complete systematic problem all over. Your gun laws are easy and while they remains there won't be a end to things like mass shootings or all other related gun crime. Living in such a state of tension its no wonder police develop violent and trigger happy tendencies, and the worst of them it just brings out the crocked states of mind like seeing anyone they deem less then themselves as a threat and so abuse the power they have.
Add to that the fact that these violent tendencies are ignored or excused.  So someone that's been roughing up people unnecessarily for years "accidentally" kills a defenseless person.  Oopsie!  My bad.  Guess I'll go on paid leave for a couple months.

And the establishment just accepts that "these sorts of things happen" and we shouldn't rush to judgment because these people have hard and dangerous jobs.  Oh really?  Pizza delivery drivers are way more likely to get killed on the job but you don't see them crush someone's neck or shoot their dog or shoot at a cameraman or drive-by tear gas a nonviolent crowd.

When you put lethal weapons into the hands of people with zero accountability, you get serious problems.  Throw racial tensions into the mix, you get a real shitstorm.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 10:19:22 PM
Hello Malcolm X

Violent protests don't work either, and especially won't work with a guy like trump as your commander and chief.

What is "work" .. like that Dem President "depends on what "is" is".  If the point is Helter Skelter Charles Manson, the Dems are doing great.  And no White Hooded Costumes this time, that is too much of a "Dead" give away.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 10:25:01 PM
[Is there somewhere the rich Californians don't move in hordes in the States? I have been listening same things from OR and WA for years now. Inflated real estate prices.]

E: An intact apsis looks fine considering the circumstances.

Almost 40 million live in California (not counting the illegals).  So when Cali does something ... it is like when the Fat Lady Sings.  Gotterdamerung!!

Oregon is called the state for people too crazy for California (Moonies and Rajneeshees).  People are concentrated in Portland, Salem and Eugene, all in one long valley.  Washington State is crowded around Seattle (no other good place there to live).  The Chinese have hyper inflated Vancouver, north of Seattle in Canada, so that will spill over in Seattle.  Of course Washington and Oregon have some lovely volcanoes.

Rich people?  Enlevez leur têtes!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 10:25:52 PM
Oh, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Worse than shooting reporters?  Lower ratings ... aieee!  Chris and Andrew both drop in ratings.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 10:27:23 PM
The riots are certainly not a good thing, but it is the only way these people are heard. You know how many people were completely apathetic to the murder of George Floyd, but are suddenly invested in the riots? A lot of people. They are part of the problem.

Racists in uniforms are allowed free reign to discriminate, harass, and even murder people of color, and the government covers up for them. I guarantee you, if there was no photographic or video evidence of the crime, nothing would have happened to the cops. Now those involved have been fired. What a slap on the wrist that is. You know what happens to people who are suspected of murder when they're not wearing a badge? They go to prison to await trail. But these guys get to wait at home, surrounded by guards to protect them until things blow over, while Conservatives play the "innocent until proven guilty" card.

Go piss on a cop or fireman, particularly when they are having a bad day.  They don't work for you, and they are trained to be armed and violent.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 10:29:50 PM
honestly, you guys over there just have a complete systematic problem all over. Your gun laws are easy and while that remains there won't be a end to things like mass shootings or all other related gun crime. Living in such a state of tension its no wonder police develop violent and trigger happy tendencies, and the worst of them it just brings out the crocked states of mind like seeing anyone they deem less then themselves as a threat and so abuse the power they have.
And because its the same systematic issue, it results in retaliation of the worst kind based on that same level of fear and tension always hanging over them.

This isn't just a case of saying 'if we fix racism it'll fix everything', because you have a lot more problems there then just that.

You sent your criminals here, until Australia became available, remember ;-)  Human beings don't like people who aren't in their national, religious, racial, ethnic, political tribes.  Humans are tribal.  Just ask our Anglo-Saxon ancestors ;-)  Of course when one nation, religion, race, ethnicity or political party is ascendent, all the others are pissed.  Everyone on the planet is African in origin, and it shows.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 30, 2020, 10:30:43 PM
Add to that the fact that these violent tendencies are ignored or excused.  So someone that's been roughing up people unnecessarily for years "accidentally" kills a defenseless person.  Oopsie!  My bad.  Guess I'll go on paid leave for a couple months.

And the establishment just accepts that "these sorts of things happen" and we shouldn't rush to judgment because these people have hard and dangerous jobs.  Oh really?  Pizza delivery drivers are way more likely to get killed on the job but you don't see them crush someone's neck or shoot their dog or shoot at a cameraman or drive-by tear gas a nonviolent crowd.

When you put lethal weapons into the hands of people with zero accountability, you get serious problems.  Throw racial tensions into the mix, you get a real shitstorm.

Cops protect cops.  They don't work for you.  Black cops don't work for you.  Black cops don't love rioters either.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on May 30, 2020, 11:00:05 PM
Most of the page is Baruch spamming. News is America is turning to a 2020 Australia.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH-QwK4v0ZI
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 30, 2020, 11:24:57 PM
You sent your criminals here, until Australia became available, remember ;-)

I don't recall doing that myself, probably one of my grandparents did so.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 30, 2020, 11:34:58 PM
Had a talk with my boyfriend about these recent events, and he gave his thoughts on it. He said how he feels that the original principle of black lives matters had merit to it, because black people in america are still looked down on and struggle, they do have problems and it needs attention given to the fact and things change for them.
However he said the problem with movements like BLM, same with the current wave of feminism and other similar political and social groups, is how they've become infested with toxic people, poisoning the well water, and making whatever the original concept of the movement meant to become corroded, and even become a entity that ruins the very concept of the original meaning.

This is why its hard to trust any modern movement now because of how much toxic people today ruin them for everyone, his own words. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on May 31, 2020, 01:00:10 AM
honestly, you guys over there just have a complete systematic problem all over. Your gun laws are easy and while that remains there won't be a end to things like mass shootings or all other related gun crime. Living in such a state of tension its no wonder police develop violent and trigger happy tendencies, and the worst of them it just brings out the crocked states of mind like seeing anyone they deem less then themselves as a threat and so abuse the power they have.
And because its the same systematic issue, it results in retaliation of the worst kind based on that same level of fear and tension always hanging over them.

This isn't just a case of saying 'if we fix racism it'll fix everything', because you have a lot more problems there then just that.

It sounds like you're making excuses for the cops. The problem isn't the stressful environment police work in. They're supposed to be trained to be able to deal with highly stressful situations. And yet you have cases like Philando Castile, who after being pulled over for a minor violation, placed his hands on the wheel and told the police officer that he had a gun so as to avoid spooking him. He had a license to carry, and made no aggressive moves. The police officer shot the man, with his girlfriend and her four-year-old daughter in the backseat. The girlfriend was calmer and more clear minded after seeing her boyfriend shot to death than this police officer.

There are a number of problems here.

1. Power with no accountability. Any time you give people power, there are going to be people who abuse it. But the police stick together like the mob. They protect their own first, and they think they are above the law.

2. Coverups. When a police officer is found guilty of excessive force, it is quickly swept under the rug.

3. Systematic racism. Police target people of color. They let their prejudices get in the way of doing their jobs. They use more force than necessary when stopping suspected criminals, and they harm and harass innocent people.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 31, 2020, 04:51:16 AM
Had a talk with my boyfriend about these recent events, and he gave his thoughts on it. He said how he feels that the original principle of black lives matters had merit to it, because black people in america are still looked down on and struggle, they do have problems and it needs attention given to the fact and things change for them.
However he said the problem with movements like BLM, same with the current wave of feminism and other similar political and social groups, is how they've become infested with toxic people, poisoning the well water, and making whatever the original concept of the movement meant to become corroded, and even become a entity that ruins the very concept of the original meaning.

This is why its hard to trust any modern movement now because of how much toxic people today ruin them for everyone, his own words. 

A British gay man who obviously hasn't fought or struggled for any rights he enjoys has declared 'modern movements' as cannot be 'trusted' because of dem feminists and similar groups. Modern movements. Modern. Movements. LOL Which if not for them, and the dem leftists, as a 'homosexual' he would be in prison being raped or outside being raped and then beaten to death.

Tell your boyfriend to make a list and save it for the fast growing Neo nazi groups, far right fanatics in the UK fueled by the Brexit. Because when Brexit takes its toll and they start attacking systematically to any 'undesirable' groups from Polish to Muslims, he'll find that he is HIGH on their list. Then he can tell them about dem femminisssts corrupting modern human right movements while being beaten to death with a baseball bat.

This world hasn't seen dumber, more clueless right wing generations than yours.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on May 31, 2020, 07:04:34 AM
Maybe telling minorities to sit down and shut up is not the right answer.  Granted it is the preferred social structure for the majority. 

But don't get pissed off beyond reason when one of your kind is unjustly murdered.  "God grant you the serenity to accept the things you cannot change, and shut up about it."  So you are ignored most of the time?  We are the majority, and we don't think there is a problem, except when you get ugly about it. That's a problem.  Everything would be fine, if you just didn't have to get so pissed about your lot in life.  Hey, you aren't the only one with problems.  If I miss the next payment on my yacht, I might lose it, and I have a hard time making those payments because the taxes on the thing are absurd.  You would understand if you knew how big the payments are.  You really don't have anything to be pissed off about.  We all have problems.

Was that sarcastic?  Have I misjudged the general tone of the majority?  OK, I agree you shouldn't break the law and riot.  Cops shouldn't break the law either, but mostly you shouldn't break the law.  It will only make us to want to break the law more.  This is why you should sit down and shut up.  It would really be for the best.  Now excuse me, I have to run to the bank.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 31, 2020, 07:39:57 AM
You know what will help people calm down in protests started over police brutality? More brutality!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0zeauprMJ0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v0dc44El5U

There are a metric shit-ton more videos, but I'm having a hard time finding them on youtube. Wondering if their algorithms delete or hide videos  involving police brutality...


Those four pigs really lit a powder keg. We have far-left, far-right, libertarian, anarchists, fascists out rioting as well as people tired of police abuse, tired of racial discrimination, unemployed and locked in their homes with nothing to do trying to have their voices heard. More and more I am seeing white nationalists and Antifa starting to appear in these cities, and it seems that there is chatter that there are instigators hoping something happens to spark a race war in the United States.

Things need to calm down before they get out-of-hand, but that requires a leader and unfortunately we don't really have one of those right now. It seems like things have already reached out-of-hand status.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on May 31, 2020, 08:10:33 AM
It looked like mostly white protestors were involved in that second video.  I guess people just enjoy a good riot.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 31, 2020, 08:13:01 AM
There are a metric shit-ton more videos, but I'm having a hard time finding them on youtube. Wondering if their algorithms delete or hide videos  involving police brutality...

Exactly the same thing we were talking about! It's not just that. I can't tell you how different the whole protests are being shown, from an outsider's perspective compared to other events. Usually, any portests or riots there are tons of every kind of videos automatically comes up when you google. It's instant.

Only official news sites coming up in any research. I doubt if people from other countries actually realise the dimension of what has been going on if they don't especially dig and even then they only see people attacking the police. Or some woman taking a dump on a police car.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 31, 2020, 08:19:06 AM
During the 2013 events, protestors have flown drones to record everything against censorship. I wonder if they could try doing that with lots of drones? One or two are bound to make? It needs organisation and planning though.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mermaid on May 31, 2020, 09:15:15 AM
I think Trevor Noah has hit the nail on the head. This is very much worth watching, but especially his comments about our societal contract from 8:17 to 12:04.
https://www.facebook.com/TrevorNoah/videos/271546193965209/ (https://www.facebook.com/TrevorNoah/videos/271546193965209/)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 31, 2020, 10:29:01 AM
Thanks for the video. It's quite powerful.

About that 'legitimacy' and what happens when it breaks down... I've had experiences that changed how I see life, people... completely when I was a student. I do want to say a lot of things about it, just can't do right now.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:29:40 AM
I don't recall doing that myself, probably one of my grandparents did so.

You - singular, or plural.  You knew what I meant ;-)  The plural version includes your 17th and 18th century ancestors (which probably includes some of my own ancestors).

The Labour people in GB or the Democrat people in the US, want you on the gay plantation, right next to the Muslim plantation in GB, or the Black plantation in the US.  You are not real gay, unless you accept their political agenda (which you can freely choose of course).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:31:56 AM
Had a talk with my boyfriend about these recent events, and he gave his thoughts on it. He said how he feels that the original principle of black lives matters had merit to it, because black people in america are still looked down on and struggle, they do have problems and it needs attention given to the fact and things change for them.
However he said the problem with movements like BLM, same with the current wave of feminism and other similar political and social groups, is how they've become infested with toxic people, poisoning the well water, and making whatever the original concept of the movement meant to become corroded, and even become a entity that ruins the very concept of the original meaning.

This is why its hard to trust any modern movement now because of how much toxic people today ruin them for everyone, his own words.

Infested with FBI agent provocateurs, AntiFA, anarchists, violent Bernie Bros, former or current criminal population (very high in the US).  The Dems probably don't direct the violence from the DNC HQ, they simply grift it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:34:39 AM
It looked like mostly white protestors were involved in that second video.  I guess people just enjoy a good riot.

Not all criminals are Black, not all Leftists are Black.  This has nothing to do with race, or the victim.  This is political revolution.  Which will die out in a few days, as they have always done in the past.  The last big White racist riot was in Tulsa OK .. in 1921.  Those White people need to be exterminated, right?

Political revolutionaries are just as much lunatics as Millerites waiting on a mountain in Arkansas in 1840 awaiting the Rapture.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:36:29 AM
During the 2013 events, protestors have flown drones to record everything against censorship. I wonder if they could try doing that with lots of drones? One or two are bound to make? It needs organisation and planning though.

This was tried in Poland? I think.  Flying private drones is regulated in the US.  The official news organizations would be more likely to get a permit.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:38:20 AM
I think Trevor Noah has hit the nail on the head. This is very much worth watching, but especially his comments about our societal contract from 8:17 to 12:04.
https://www.facebook.com/TrevorNoah/videos/271546193965209/ (https://www.facebook.com/TrevorNoah/videos/271546193965209/)

Only Black people hurting.  Only Black people oppressed by societal generality (economy etc).  Never see him comment on anything outside of 11% of the special pleading population.  Trever Noah is S African, not American.  Many here prefer Labour comedians from GB too.  Obama was politically post-colonial Kenyan.  Born in the US, but partly raised outside of it.  And politically his father's son (aka not American).  Don't mind foreign comments on US happenings of course.  That gives perspective.  How about the Chinese perspective?  No support for that here?  I like the Australian perspective, but there is just one conservative outlet there, it is much like UK.

Jews also think they are special.  They are not.  Also we are not oppressed individually or systemically in the US.  Except in a few NYC Black neighborhoods.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 31, 2020, 11:48:36 AM
Well, if you really want images of what's happening over here...

I really wish we could link to Twitter videos like YouTube, since most of the content

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UasDSlkcJkY

NYPD Officer flashing a white power sign, getting chuckles from his partners
(https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1266994073501487104 (https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1266994073501487104))

Nurse treating a bleeding protester fired upon in medical tent w/ non-lethal ammo (no video evidence, just her account)
(https://twitter.com/Stephaniejing2/status/1267070108612136961 (https://twitter.com/Stephaniejing2/status/1267070108612136961))

Even have the Mennonites protesting...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZSdLxVXsAEcrM4?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp2og5f-85c)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_55kRMT5uc

A young girl in Seattle maced by officers who covered their badges to avoid identification...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZV9zvVWkAAhCU0?format=jpg&name=large)

Salt Lake City elderly man with a cane shoved to the ground by officers for *checks notes* waiting at a bus route
(https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016 (https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016))

Peaceful African American protester has mask pulled off by cop, sprayed in the face with mace
(https://twitter.com/AJRupchandani/status/1266889115288711168 (https://twitter.com/AJRupchandani/status/1266889115288711168))

A police officer in Seattle throwing a man to the ground and placing his knee on his neck in just the way Floyd was murdered (thankfully his partner notices and yanks the other officer's leg off, so props to that guy)
(https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267011092045115392 (https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267011092045115392))

A teenage girl, walking home from buying groceries in Dallas, after being shot in the face by riot police for being out on the street
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZVdr35UMAAL4j4?format=jpg&name=large)

Protester shot in the eye by police officers (warning: lots of  blood on this one)
(https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267029301389492224 (https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267029301389492224))


NYPD opening their car door as they speed past protesters to hit them
(https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267048521787531267 (https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267048521787531267))


NYPD throwing a medic to the ground and arresting him, threaten people who film
(https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267118313466822656 (https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267118313466822656))


LA...


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZU2XhsU0AE4ZrK?format=jpg&name=large)


Minneapolis...


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZQbvUeWAAAchIr?format=jpg&name=large)


Grand Rapids...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNqr8sBIcpA


DC...


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZUSJxVXYAA_aWP?format=jpg&name=large)


Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 31, 2020, 11:49:54 AM
Quote
Only official news sites coming up in any research. I doubt if people from other countries actually realise the dimension of what has been going on if they don't especially dig and even then they only see people attacking the police. Or some woman taking a dump on a police car.

That moderately surprises me, given how much Trump has eroded the relationship between us and Europe, that you wouldn't see more of things that make him look bad.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
That moderately surprises me, given how much Trump has eroded the relationship between us and Europe, that you wouldn't see more of things that make him look bad.

The MSM is global and interconnected, and work for the Elite.  If the Elite want Trump to look bad, they will.

Liked the one picture of the Mennonite women protesting.  They are pacifist, not Communist.  If from a farm, they are not like a kibbutz, they don't share property or children.

I am happy to feed W Europe to Russia.  Good riddance.  They are going to be a Chinese colony shortly.  End NATO now.  Brexit or not, the non-Tory parties will eventually have GB as a Chinese colony also.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 31, 2020, 12:05:03 PM
yeah. People what things to change for the better there. These violent protests are not helping that however, its just making things worse.

And that is exactly what instigators being shipped in from out-of-state want.


And as for the legitimate protesters who have turned violent...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ph5g0jb8cE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ph5g0jb8cE)


We know the causes of the riots. We have known about them since the 50s-60s when MLK made this speech, and we should have known them before then.


But have we done a single thing to address those causes, to fix them and to make sure they didn't boil over? No. We continued to worsen the situation, we continued to spit in the face of the people who protested peacefully and who warned us things were getting worse.

We have told peaceful protesters to shut the fuck up, you aren't American if you say anything about it. It's wrong, but it's also a situation we created. While the rioters have to be held responsible for their  violent actions... our society must likewise be held responsible for the violence it perpetrated on the African American community through it's racist laws, it's racist businesses and it's racist law enforcement.


The Civil Rights movement never achieved it's goal, it didn't fade away because "mission accomplished"... the media just got better and better at silencing it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 12:10:42 PM
So what are they suppose to do?

Get to work or die.  There is no free lunch.  This is why the lockdown has to be lifted, or they need to send out more $1,200 checks.

If you are unhappy, take drugs.  This is an old social control method dating back centuries.  Also make taking drugs illegal, so you can be arrested for doing what the Establishment wants you to do anyway.  In Czarist Russia, you were required to drink vodka (it was taxed, so that was the only convenient way for the Czar to tax the serfs).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 12:15:20 PM
And that is exactly what instigators being shipped in from out-of-state want.

Shipping in protestors, some paid by Soros, is what elections are now.  This is the "warm up" to the election ;-p
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 31, 2020, 12:47:19 PM
That moderately surprises me, given how much Trump has eroded the relationship between us and Europe, that you wouldn't see more of things that make him look bad.

There are MANY people supporting Trump around the world and so the police brutality and censorship on reality is always good. They admire him. They cheer to his tweets. So as I see it, it's the perfect PR. Poor white American police is being terrorised by the criminal minority of black people. This is not an exaggeration.

There are masses of far right nutters here. Trump supporters. Ironically they are anti gov,lol. They're growing nonbeliever groups, all of them are strictly young, heterosexual males who admire Trump. They are being educated in red pill, manosphere sites, translate everything in to Turkish, writing books -stolen from same sites or books written by those men- and sell them with different names to young men. Self-help... They're often sold in secret with different names to the specific audience. Or hand to hand...

People who have never been to the States in their lives, who have no idea about its history, its struggles, culture commenting about these protests right now, in a way that you'd think they've just got beamed off from the worst places you can think of in the USA.

Among them who have been to the Sates or living there see themselves as 'whites' and superior to all others out and in the country. Because their skin colour is white. These are mostly coming from uneducated families. (What westerners refer with White Turks is another problem, there is overlapping, but this is different.)

Their opinions, comments, arguments on anything in the States -or Britain and continental Europe- is exactly like from A to Z  crazy republican material. Racist, anti LGBT+, I am going to say anti-female because that is not even anti-feminism. But I repeat they're not religious or even theists. They are mostly nonbelievers actually.   

This has been going for some time. since 2015-16? Probably started before. I clashed with a few online, got threatened with law suits for simple things like saying 'fuck you'...etc.

I've been trying to tell how all trends in the States travel everywhere in light speed for years. This is it.

On a personal note, I doubt if these people actually understand that the United States of America is a sovereign nation and country made of 50 states with a very highly diverse population. I'm serious. Their perception is so fucked up, I think they see it as some cross between Wolf of Wall Street on one end of the scale and Boiler Room on the other. Like a huge version of one of those instagram accounts? Men with guns and half naked women, with cars and super yachts...

Their reaction to black people, hispanic people, LGBT+ groups, women are exactly like that man...what was his name? That republican piece of shit waste of carbon died a few years ago and people peed on his grave?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 01:01:24 PM
Yes, drunkenshoe, most people, including most Americans, don't look up to Voltaire, Rousseau or Robespierre.  Most people on the planet don't even know who they are.  That must frustrate European intelligencia no end.  European culture has been a complete shit show since 1783.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 31, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
Violent protests are what happen when peaceful protests don't work. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done. A black man is killed unjustly, protest, nothing is done.

A black man is killed unjustly, violent protest, finally getting some fucking results (https://www.startribune.com/protests-build-anew-after-fired-officer-charged-jailed/570869672/).

Say what you want about peaceful protests, but a vast majority of people simply won't respond until they are directly affected. Riots are pretty damned effective at waking that crowd up, for better or worse.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 01:55:52 PM
Welcome back, Hijiri.  You are missed ;-)

"Thousands protest in London over death of George Floyd" ... is Sadik Khan also a Chicom agent?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 03:35:20 PM
Welcome back, Hijiri.  You are missed ;-)

"Thousands protest in London over death of George Floyd" ... is Sadik Khan also a Chicom agent?

I don't get it. In america can say for sure theres a purpose to the violent protests because of the broken system there. But here, in the uk, there isn't that kind police brutality, the kind of level america has.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

I don't know what the aim is with these ones in london, if its to call for the uk to tell america to clean up its act, or if the outrage has pushed some delusion that non-white people have it as bad here as in america.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 03:47:25 PM
A British gay man who obviously hasn't fought or struggled for any rights he enjoys has declared 'modern movements' as cannot be 'trusted' because of dem feminists and similar groups. Modern movements. Modern. Movements. LOL Which if not for them, and the dem leftists, as a 'homosexual' he would be in prison being raped or outside being raped and then beaten to death.

Tell your boyfriend to make a list and save it for the fast growing Neo nazi groups, far right fanatics in the UK fueled by the Brexit. Because when Brexit takes its toll and they start attacking systematically to any 'undesirable' groups from Polish to Muslims, he'll find that he is HIGH on their list. Then he can tell them about dem femminisssts corrupting modern human right movements while being beaten to death with a baseball bat.

This world hasn't seen dumber, more clueless right wing generations than yours.

Can't call me a right winger when I haven't voted for a party in some time.

I should have clarified more, modern movement as in the modern generation of those movements, seen as how feminism comes in waves, can certainly class them as the most current or 'modern' version. I'm pretty sure he's aware of the movements that gave him the right to be who he is, the ones they did something besides wanting to crush white mens balls and bitch about the patriarchy on twitter ^^.

I know you only see things from that perspective, but despite what the news networks tell you, the uk isn't going to devolve into your 1970s era anti human rights campaign.

Also, unlike in america, whatever reason they decided to stage protests here, kinda notice london isn't burning down. Almost like it hasn't devolved into violent anarchy :O.
They also are not protesting in london for any rational reason besides wanting to act like their doing something righteous, even when it makes no fucking sense, they would make more impact if they acted online to give support to those in america against the police violence like giving aid. But they aren't out in force in london for that reason, their doing it for selfish reasons just because their fed up with lockdown and used this as an excuse to come out in force.

I realize this is stemmed from because you got offended at the fact I called out the toxic nature of these movements today, but if you had the common sense to realize it you'd know full well these movements are flooded with toxic people who would burn down a hospital to make what they think of as a message. There are genuinely good people who want to see an end to the violence against innocent people, but their run over by the anarchists and opportunists who just want to attack the system.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 04:11:21 PM
https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1266924387795709954?s=20

violent protestors wanting to destroy a target.

non-violent protesters defending the target from them.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mermaid on May 31, 2020, 04:39:23 PM
Only Black people hurting.  Only Black people oppressed by societal generality (economy etc).  Never see him comment on anything outside of 11% of the special pleading population.  Trever Noah is S African, not American.  Many here prefer Labour comedians from GB too.  Obama was politically post-colonial Kenyan.  Born in the US, but partly raised outside of it.  And politically his father's son (aka not American).  Don't mind foreign comments on US happenings of course.  That gives perspective.  How about the Chinese perspective?  No support for that here?  I like the Australian perspective, but there is just one conservative outlet there, it is much like UK.

Jews also think they are special.  They are not.  Also we are not oppressed individually or systemically in the US.  Except in a few NYC Black neighborhoods.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU!? Are you fucking serious?

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on May 31, 2020, 04:52:56 PM
I don't get it. In america can say for sure theres a purpose to the violent protests because of the broken system there. But here, in the uk, there isn't that kind police brutality, the kind of level america has.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

I don't know what the aim is with these ones in london, if its to call for the uk to tell america to clean up its act, or if the outrage has pushed some delusion that non-white people have it as bad here as in america.

It's either the"Lost Cause" propaganda BS that started from the Wives of Confederates that escalated in prisons like Parchman Farms or its the aged culture effects of the Jim crow laws.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on May 31, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
I noticed over the years the racial jokes have abated but the racism is still there, smoldering usually. I still hear things, usually murmured on the sly. I call people out if I expect more from them. Others are just hateful morons and not worth it.

They have got to get all these racist and jaded cops off the force. I'd pay more taxes to work on these issues as it would pay for itself. Educate and pay cops well. It is a most difficult career. However the black community also needs to get a handle on the out of proportion crime rate. Admit it and work on it. If we are too political to even admit facts and find solutions, the future will be dismal.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 31, 2020, 07:15:04 PM
Some local photos...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZYRBhqX0AA98YH?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZYNO18XYAQZrAv?format=jpg&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZYC7JuWoAAuxCW?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZWpo7YXgAMSr1P?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZYOnFTWoAIDNmu?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZXqMbfWoAQOiIg?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZVlJkGWoAI8dRL?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZWGBtwXgAMt52z?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZT_t-jXYAIkdHK?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mermaid on May 31, 2020, 07:38:40 PM
Stunning photos.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SoldierofFortune on May 31, 2020, 08:08:27 PM
Why, do you think, George Floyd was killed?

It is because something provocative must have happened to spark the protests.

He is among others who was victimized for some goal worth superior than their life!.. Believe it or not, this is so.

It is not humane, I know.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on May 31, 2020, 08:28:58 PM
My Sister in Suburban Chicago says there is looting going on at malls around her house.  Yesterday there was a drive by shooting on her corner.  The looting is mostly non violent.  People are just doing smash and grabs because the police are busy with protests on the other side of town.  I'm a little worried about their safety.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 08:36:33 PM
My Sister in Suburban Chicago says there is looting going on at malls around her house.  Yesterday there was a drive by shooting on her corner.  The looting is mostly non violent.  People are just doing smash and grabs because the police are busy with protests on the other side of town.  I'm a little worried about their safety.

peoples houses seem less targeted by rioters then establishments like shops and other public buildings. Of course your get opportunists in any situation like this. hopefully their safe and stocked up on food.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on May 31, 2020, 08:44:02 PM
Why, do you think, George Floyd was killed?
I'm not a coroner, but I'm pretty sure it was from a cop slamming their weight on his neck.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 08:47:49 PM
Why, do you think, George Floyd was killed?


its kinda like asking why did fred and rose west torture and kill their children. I'm convinced such people have an developmental impairment that stops empathy from forming in the brain, and the only joy they get is out of others suffering.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on May 31, 2020, 08:48:19 PM
peoples houses seem less targeted by rioters then establishments like shops and other public buildings. Of course your get opportunists in any situation like this. hopefully their safe and stocked up on food.
They live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and this is unusual for them.  It's just spooky to have this stuff going on so close by.  They don't need to go to the store, and they have been good about staying home.  The malls are closed, but scheduled to reopen tomorrow June 1st as part of the national grand opening and victory over the virus.  (According to Trump's son in law, opening business is a victory over the virus).  See, it's just that easy to end a pandemic.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 08:58:36 PM
They live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and this is unusual for them.  It's just spooky to have this stuff going on so close by.  They don't need to go to the store, and they have been good about staying home.  The malls are closed, but scheduled to reopen tomorrow June 1st as part of the national grand opening and victory over the virus.  (According to Trump's son in law, opening business is a victory over the virus).  See, it's just that easy to end a pandemic.

I hope your family has the same common sense my brother and sister in laws using, they are ignoring the schools requests to send kids back from tomorrow and might not do so until September.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on May 31, 2020, 09:07:30 PM
(https://i.redd.it/u8stx9kl01251.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on May 31, 2020, 09:20:17 PM
I hope your family has the same common sense my brother and sister in laws using, they are ignoring the schools requests to send kids back from tomorrow and might not do so until September.
They don't have kids, but they plan to keep up with guidelines for personal safety as Chicago begins to "reopen."  If they had kids they would keep them home too.  They take the pandemic seriously.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on May 31, 2020, 10:00:24 PM
There's a difference between a protest, even a violent protest, and a riot.  Protests have a particular focus.  Riots are chaos.

I do support those who are angry over the George Floyd murder.  That really is the only word for it.  According to Findlaw's murder definitions, it is my opinion that this is either 2nd or 3rd degree murder.  If person A swings a shovel at the head of person B without intent to kill, but knows that his action has the potential to kill, and person B dies, it is indeed some form of murder other than 1st degree murder.

When the protestors burned the police precinct station, I won't say I supported it (because I don't want anyone to quote me on that) but I can say that they were choosing a more legitimate target than say, the Target.

One of the problems with protests is all the opportunists who show up for the riot.  The people wanting justice are probably not the same one stealing flat screen TVs.  Protestors should be wary and say "we need to police our own protest and keep out the bad actors".  It may seem ironic, but if you want to protest the police you need to police your protest.  One example is Umbrella Man.  The protestors are calling him an undercover cop.  The cops are calling him a protestor.

The pallet of bricks delivered outside a Dallas courthouse was such an obvious trap that it makes me feel good that the protestors didn't fall for it.  I am proud of those protestors.

The governor of Minnesota says there are a lot of outside agitators ranging from the drug cartels to even the Russians.  Take your meds and you'll stop seeing Russians hiding in your closet.  Outside agitators, sure.  Not those sinister Russians who have been running everything since 2015.  However, there are other more realistic accusations of outside agitators to consider.

Given that antifa is mostly upper-middle class young white people, how hard is it for white supremacists to infiltrate?  Probably pretty easy, I wouldn't know.  But the white people dressed in masks are being accused of being both antifa and fascists.  They're also accused of being under cover police.  Umbrella man is one such accusation.  The protestors accuse him of being a cop.  The police accuse him of being a protestor.

After letting the nation go to ruin the last two months by shutting down the economy, putting people out of work, and confining people to their homes, this one murder was simply throwing a lit match onto a pile of gasoline soaked rags covering a barrel of gunpowder with a stick of dynamite inside it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 10:20:07 PM
There's a difference between a protest, even a violent protest, and a riot.  Protests have a particular focus.  Riots are chaos.

I do support those who are angry over the George Floyd murder.  That really is the only word for it.  According to Findlaw's murder definitions, it is my opinion that this is either 2nd or 3rd degree murder.  If person A swings a shovel at the head of person B without intent to kill, but knows that his action has the potential to kill, and person B dies, it is indeed some form of murder other than 1st degree murder.

When the protestors burned the police precinct station, I won't say I supported it (because I don't want anyone to quote me on that) but I can say that they were choosing a more legitimate target than say, the Target.

One of the problems with protests is all the opportunists who show up for the riot.  The people wanting justice are probably not the same one stealing flat screen TVs.  Protestors should be wary and say "we need to police our own protest and keep out the bad actors".  It may seem ironic, but if you want to protest the police you need to police your protest.  One example is Umbrella Man.  The protestors are calling him an undercover cop.  The cops are calling him a protestor.

The pallet of bricks delivered outside a Dallas courthouse was such an obvious trap that it makes me feel good that the protestors didn't fall for it.  I am proud of those protestors.

The governor of Minnesota says there are a lot of outside agitators ranging from the drug cartels to even the Russians.  Take your meds and you'll stop seeing Russians hiding in your closet.  Outside agitators, sure.  Not those sinister Russians who have been running everything since 2015.  However, there are other more realistic accusations of outside agitators to consider.

Given that antifa is mostly upper-middle class young white people, how hard is it for white supremacists to infiltrate?  Probably pretty easy, I wouldn't know.  But the white people dressed in masks are being accused of being both antifa and fascists.  They're also accused of being under cover police.  Umbrella man is one such accusation.  The protestors accuse him of being a cop.  The police accuse him of being a protestor.

After letting the nation go to ruin the last two months by shutting down the economy, putting people out of work, and confining people to their homes, this one murder was simply throwing a lit match onto a pile of gasoline soaked rags covering a barrel of gunpowder with a stick of dynamite inside it.

mhmm. It wouldn't have been as bad as this if the tension caused by lockdowns didn't inflame it. There are bound to be opportunists out there just for the anarchy, but all they need to do is set off a spark in those gearing for a riot to set them off.

Groups like BLM and those identifying as antifa is infested with these kinds of people, and they ultimately ruin whatever message groups wanted to make because when their burning down shops and destroying society, the rest of society will see these actions as anything but a positive movement.

And really, with trump as leader, does anyone seriously think these actions, even with destruction of property and drain on public services, that he'd stop and take anything their doing serious, or towards the changes they want?

Still, at least they all live in somewhere like america, wouldn't be able to even dream of doing something like this in china.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 10:29:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK9LWpbUgm8&t=0s

guy makes a very grounded point here. The LA riots that happened decades ago, when people did just what there doing here today, it didn't change anything for the better, it didn't change the law of the land, and maybe even made it worse in the long run, because look at where everything is today.

Its like what happened with the stonewall riots. It wasn't the riots themselves that brought change to the LGBT community, it was the actions taken after the riots that pushed for laws to eventually be changed. If these riots here today were to create that push to get the government to listen to people more then it would serve a purpose, however as this didn't happen after the LA riots its unlikely to happen this time round either.

You can't change a society by burning it down, you need to be able to push and pressure a government to listen to those changes.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on May 31, 2020, 10:46:16 PM
You can't change a society by burning it down, you need to be able to push and pressure a government to listen to those changes.
Like nonviolent protest?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 10:51:03 PM
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU!? Are you fucking serious?

I am very serious.  I remember the Watts riots as a boy.  The only time I saw my father speak racist terms.  We were 10 miles away.

After growing up, I could see how wrong the rioters were.  How wrong the drug addicts were.  How wrong the acid rock fans were.  How wrong the group sex fans were.  How wrong the college protesters were.  The 1960s were psycho on many levels.  There are grievances always.  But the point is ...

What is the reason I can justify the sociopathic behavior my Id wants me to do?  Ask Forbidden Planet.  We are very clever coming up with justifications, whether one is a cop or a civilian.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on May 31, 2020, 10:52:21 PM
Like nonviolent protest?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 10:52:55 PM
Why, do you think, George Floyd was killed?

It is because something provocative must have happened to spark the protests.

He is among others who was victimized for some goal worth superior than their life!.. Believe it or not, this is so.

It is not humane, I know.

Americans think that anything other than CNN narrative is conspiracy theory by Trump.  I suspect Turks are equally blind to the nuances.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 10:54:43 PM
I don't get it. In america can say for sure theres a purpose to the violent protests because of the broken system there. But here, in the uk, there isn't that kind police brutality, the kind of level america has.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_by_country

I don't know what the aim is with these ones in london, if its to call for the uk to tell america to clean up its act, or if the outrage has pushed some delusion that non-white people have it as bad here as in america.

You have Pakistani rapists raping your girls.  Your cops turn a blind eye, because they are accomplices!  They use the Pakistanis as soldiers to rob, rape and kill Englishmen.  The idea that GB isn't violent, that your police are pro-citizen, is blindness.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 10:58:21 PM
I'm not a coroner, but I'm pretty sure it was from a cop slamming their weight on his neck.

Perhaps.  And Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman ... because the TV told me so.

If we don't need cops, don't need autopsies, don't need fair trial ... lets just kill everyone!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:02:17 PM
Like nonviolent protest?

You can always get drunk if you are unhappy.  If you don't like your politician, and won't unseat them by legal means, then you are a criminal.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on May 31, 2020, 11:36:06 PM
(https://i.redd.it/bxuo83d026251.jpg)

Serving and protecting in Kansas City
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 31, 2020, 11:46:21 PM
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Take your meds and you'll stop seeing Russians hiding in your closet.  Outside agitators, sure.  Not those sinister Russians who have been running everything since 2015.

I agree with everything else you say, but... our intelligence community believes the Russians have been taking steps to cause social strife in the United States. Independent journalists believe this to be the case. We literally have evidence of the Russians doing it in multiple countries in Europe, and their dictator is ex-KGB... as well as many members of their ruling caste.

You really think they are going to look at literally the most perfect opportunity to cause more division and say, "Nah, we're good. I think we will sit this one out."?

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on May 31, 2020, 11:48:01 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg)

I think that might literally be the worst possible example of non-violence being effective you could have picked.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:52:31 PM
I think that might literally be the worst possible example of non-violence being effective you could have picked.

Probably before you were even born ;-)

So if China murders Hong Kong, will you protest that?  If they invade Taiwan, will you join up with the Marines?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on May 31, 2020, 11:54:55 PM
I agree with everything else you say, but... our intelligence community believes the Russians have been taking steps to cause social strife in the United States. Independent journalists believe this to be the case. We literally have evidence of the Russians doing it in multiple countries in Europe, and their dictator is ex-KGB... as well as many members of their ruling caste.

You really think they are going to look at literally the most perfect opportunity to cause more division and say, "Nah, we're good. I think we will sit this one out."?

There are over 200 nations in the world.  Everyone of them hates the US (and every other country).  They all interfere in each others "business".  When will you call out for the destruction of China?  What is naive is to think this is abnormal.  I support the Russians and the KGB, if for no other reason than they aren't Beta males ;-)  It was weak of the Chicoms to release Covid outside of China.  It is chad to target military (like in Crimea and E Ukraine).  It is chad for them to support Assad in Syria.

Do you object to Russians because they aren't pro-gay, are White?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc_ALE4oGSE

I am in favor of Russians, same as I am in favor of all ethnic groups.  Some do better than others, due to cultural lag and bad circumstances.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on May 31, 2020, 11:56:39 PM
I think that might literally be the worst possible example of non-violence being effective you could have picked.
I'm not entirely sure, but I think his argument is that protests don't result in change.  Or don't always result in change, which would be a more sensible position, considering the obvious example of gay rights.  People put pressure of lawmakers for literally decades, but eventually, some progress was made.

And while I lean towards pessimism when it comes to taking to the streets, imo the main reason cops are (sometimes) held (somewhat) accountable at all is because of 1) video evidence 2) public outcry.

Imho most of these protests would die off instantly if there were just two reforms 1) mandatory body cams 2) serious prosecution of police brutality wherever it happens
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 01, 2020, 12:39:37 AM
So if peaceful protests don't work, and riots don't work, exactly what should people be doing? Sitting at home, doing nothing?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 01, 2020, 01:02:18 AM
I'm not entirely sure, but I think his argument is that protests don't result in change.  Or don't always result in change, which would be a more sensible position, considering the obvious example of gay rights.  People put pressure of lawmakers for literally decades, but eventually, some progress was made.

And while I lean towards pessimism when it comes to taking to the streets, imo the main reason cops are (sometimes) held (somewhat) accountable at all is because of 1) video evidence 2) public outcry.

Imho most of these protests would die off instantly if there were just two reforms 1) mandatory body cams 2) serious prosecution of police brutality wherever it happens

There probably wouldn't be any riots to begin with if police weren't shooting indiscriminately, without provocation. The police are actively provoking people, and people blame the protesters when things escalate. The way these cops have been reacting has only proved the protesters right.

Also, I find it funny how only a few weeks ago, white people raided government buildings, with guns. Yet the police felt no need to pepper spray them or shoot them with rubber/wooden bullets. Can you imagine how Conservatives would have reacted if they had? They would have declared fucking civil war. And now they have the nerve to criticize BLM. Fucking hypocrites, all of them.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 01:36:39 AM



"They arrested thousands of people to avoid arresting four."




Scenes outside the White House tonight...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZZWVdFXQAArIOC?format=jpg&name=large)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZZlxHXU0AI1ELF?format=jpg&name=900x900)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZZhWxXXYAEiSlU?format=png&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZZhXDwWsAAXfCr?format=png&name=900x900)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZZG_oLX0AEXiJq?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)



And 215 year old St. John's Church, where every president since Madison has been inaugurated, had it's basement lit on fire tonight. The extent of the damage is currently unknown.


----



It's not the violent protesters the police are targeting, either. It's peaceful protesters who are being arrested and beaten.


https://twitter.com/sweeeetdee_/status/1267319103167107072https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267324994327056384


According to multiple witnesses across multiple cities, the cops are also specifically targeting medics and medical tents with tear gas, "non-lethal" ammunition and for arresting.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 01, 2020, 01:53:18 AM
American soldiers on the battlefield have stricter terms of engagement than American cops on the comparatively safe streets here at home.

My uncle was only involved in a single firefight during any of his tours in Afghanistan. In the heat of battle, with bullets flying and adrenaline putting his body on overload, he was still able to correctly distinguish between armed and unarmed men, and even then only fired upon those armed men who actually raised their weapons. Several prisoners were taken, but no one died that day who didn't absolutely need to.

Officer Chauvin killed an unarmed man he had already cuffed and subdued.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 01, 2020, 03:51:13 AM
So if peaceful protests don't work, and riots don't work, exactly what should people be doing? Sitting at home, doing nothing?

A war would do it. The sequel the South's been waiting for.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 04:52:34 AM
Munch, this is by far the greatest issue of the States. And people are worried, scared for their country. There is no leadership, there is a incompetent fucktard. We are in the middle of a global outbreak. 

You are the only person who is talking about 'feminism' or gender movements to blame a long coming battle and people who are absolutey right about their rage and trying to fight against naked agression targeted to them. And when told that you have zero self awareness, you are telling me, a middle eastern woman who is -has to be- concerned for human rights far before anything else in the place she lives that you know this is the only perspective she sees things from and that you cannot be called a 'right winger' because you don't vote.

It's so obvious you have never been to a protest. Like many others here. Well, I have. In different periods with different issues and different governments. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PEACEFUL PROTEST. If you are having peaceful protests then you are a spoilt piece of shit with no real issues, problems who is having a picnic to post a selfie to your social media account. Or you are a member of a specific group.

If you had a tiny bit of historical perspective you would understand this. You have no idea what is a movement, what is a cause or understand the difference betwen real life issues in a society and internet videos/sites produced to make money or political propaganda.

I was looking at the funny pictures/videos threads the other day. With pr's absence it's become more conspicous that you seem to be the only person who is posting the same kind of gender memes, videos made by brain damaged teenagers about women, movies and so on.

I have never seen a gay man who is supposedly content with his life lashing out to anything related to women this much with no provocation at all. Then as I said before, I doubt if you have an opinion of your own.

Just to make it clear. Countless videos and countless memes, sites produced in the last 15 years don't mean shit. Yeah they are that old. Not even that old actually. People who think they are criticising or somehow negating, manipulating, doing something against these modern movements by that culture -be it feminism or BLM Or whatever- are the dumbest people alive. And the rest is making money from it. Reality is very different than gaming memes about women who wants to be men. Infact, it is another universe.

So these movements, they're not going anywhere. Given that you don't threaten their existence, they're not going to harm you even in the worst scenario. BUT the set of ideas or ideologies; the side you support will look for, find and harm people like you. This is not a joke. This is the right wing understanding. The fact that you can't get this or think that nothing's going to happen where you live in this level doesn't change this outcome. It's not flexible. Vote or don't vote, right wing state of mind is exactly like religion. That's its nature and what it gets its power from. 

Please, don't babble about the same things over and over again or try to inform me about my perspective in life. You have zero awareness of the current trends, simplest dynamics in your own country.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 05:38:13 AM
I agree with everything else you say, but... our intelligence community believes the Russians have been taking steps to cause social strife in the United States. Independent journalists believe this to be the case. We literally have evidence of the Russians doing it in multiple countries in Europe, and their dictator is ex-KGB... as well as many members of their ruling caste.

You really think they are going to look at literally the most perfect opportunity to cause more division and say, "Nah, we're good. I think we will sit this one out."?

Reminds me what CIA has done -and still doing- in multiple countries for decades with Gladio operations. Any country who has the power to do it, would do it. It's not unique to Russian American relations, they are just the masters of it.

Having said that, the 'perfect opportunity' aside, 'the American intelligence think' doesn't sound convincing to anyone anymore. Infact, beyond that if you guys think the American intelligence itself not already using this opportunity, I'll be dissapointed with your vision and intelligence. It's not a conspiracy theory, it is simple, basic strategy for them.

Aren't you people sick of this bullshit? Elections: Russians did it! Protests: Russians pushed it! Outbreak: Chinese did it! This did it, that did it.

Under these circumstances, you should take this as a domestic provocation itself.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 06:24:01 AM
There is this video going around, 3 white cops cuffing a black man who is supposedly an FBI agent. Is this new, has any of you seen it?  Alot of people keeps saying he is not FBI. But they uncuff him immediately after checking his ID and he keeps calling them 'fucking stupid'. Another black man would be on the floor.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267339546921848837

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267333317927395329
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 07:27:20 AM
The Dems, ironically, want to kill the South … because they weren't Dems 100 years ago, they were Republicans.  They switched uniforms around 1970, remember?  LBJ tricked them into it.  And the South abandoned the Dems, and went Republican.

One can't escape history, because we are history, we can't escape ourselves.  Not the US, not Turkey.

What should be done?  If the problem is politics, the solution isn't more politics.  Don't think or act collectively, you are being played.  The persistent idea that this is completely spontaneous is propaganda by those who benefit.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 08:26:26 AM
There is this video going around, 3 white cops cuffing a black man who is supposedly an FBI agent. Is this new, has any of you seen it?  Alot of people keeps saying he is not FBI. But they uncuff him immediately after checking his ID and he keeps calling them 'fucking stupid'. Another black man would be on the floor.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267339546921848837

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267333317927395329


Apparently it is from a year ago, and he isn't FBI. Saw the link to his instagram post earlier, but that was on my phone.

I'm honestly not sure how he got away with that without having the shit beat out of him. Lucky guy.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
Thanks. I got something was wrong but nothing comes up.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 08:50:36 AM
Apparently DC is now using jammers and shutting down internet access to keep information from leaving the city, as well as police continuing to attack news reporters... this time a CNN reporter was beaten with a baton for recording what was happening. Live stream has been cut off in DC since around 1 A.M. apparently.

I thought I saw a suspicious lack of news coming out of the capital and I guess that's why. It seems like Twitter is also starting to remove videos and ban accounts that share information.

And to cap it all off, the pictures that did come out of DC show military and FBI personal with suppressed rifles patrolling the street.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZbXYr1U8AE8GRB?format=jpg&name=900x900)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZbSWVUXkAAbKTN?format=jpg&name=360x360)


Literally have found one video from D.C. since 1 A.M., about 15 minutes ago... and the streets were EMPTY empty. Cars on fire, flipped over, but no one... protesters or police... to be seen. Something is not right in DC, and I'm afraid they have started killing civilians now.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 08:59:57 AM
Accounts claiming there have been shootings in DC keep on getting deleted instantly by Twitter. This was the last media picture to come out of DC before all communication with the city seems to have been severed.


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZba32eXgAAAQrH?format=png&name=small)

I think they have officially declared war on the people.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 09:02:12 AM
Whatever happens now, I know after all this ends, the journalists who will dig and write about the gov made bloody sewage won't be imprisoned. This is one thing I trust with America rather than the States.

If this happens -I pretty much doubt it- it will officially be the start of a fundamentally new era. Just reminding a crucial line, I personally don't think there is anything to worry about.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 09:06:28 AM
There is an unbelievable censorship. It's practically blocked. Comic books sneek peak comes up when you search "June 1 2020 DC shootings".

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 09:09:10 AM
There is an unbelievable censorship. It's practically blocked. Comic books sneek peak comes up when you search "June 1 2020 DC shootings".

All planned decades in advance by MI6 and CIA.  What if Obama or Hillary are arrested?  Helter Skelter.

Washington DC is a Banlui (all those government jobs set aside for them).  This is why President Wilson extended segregation to Washington DC back in the day.  Remember the Bonus Army of 1932?  Unrest by White or Black will not be tolerated (unless it helps someone getting elected).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 09:10:37 AM
Whatever happens now, I know after all this ends, the journalists who will dig and write about the gov made bloody sewage won't be imprisoned. This is one thing I trust with America rather than the States.

If this happens -I pretty much doubt it- it will officially be the start of a fundamentally new era. Just reminding a crucial line, I personally don't think there is anything to worry about.

There is no new era, no brave new world, no new world order.  One failing generation replaces the next.  Progress is delusive lying virtue signaling.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 09:11:32 AM
Guys please don't panic. Don't go out, don't engage with anyone. I don't know what to say. If the capital is really in this situation...things could really get out of control.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 09:16:26 AM
Guys please don't panic. Don't go out, don't engage with anyone. I don't know what to say. If the capital is really in this situation...things could really get out of control.

Been out of control since 2015.  Some segment or all of CIA/FBI mis-managed the 2016 election.  I envy Turkish military juntas.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 09:18:08 AM
Baruch! Your country's capital is on fire and cannot be reached who know how many people are injured or dying. SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 09:19:51 AM
Baruch! Your country's capital is on fire and cannot be reached who know how many people are injured or dying. SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Death to America?  Of course.  The only way for the new to succeed the old, is for the old to die.  Destructive Capitalism or Destructive Socialism.

You still care about human beings?  How liberal of you ;-)

If you don't want Istanbul and Ankara to burn, that is on you ;-))
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 09:25:16 AM
The newest information is that its Russian bots saying that things are terrible in DC, and that everyone is actually okay and in bed sleeping.

For some reason I am having a hard time buying that.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 09:26:35 AM
The newest information is that its Russian bots saying that things are terrible in DC, and that everyone is actually okay and in bed sleeping.

For some reason I am having a hard time buying that.

"Donald Trump rushed to ‘terror attack’ bunker as violent George Floyd riots rage near White House" ... 3 hours ago.  Fake news, there is no reality ;-)

Notice they torched CNN, not Fox News, in Atlanta.  Still believe the BS narratives?

Google it before the Dark State takes it down, further confirming it, ironically ;-(

PS ...

"6 Killed, Thousands Arrested As 26 States Called In National Guard To Quell 3rd Night Of Chaos" ... Albuquerque and Santa Fe in my state included.  Burn baby burn!

National Guard better than MAGA hats with AR-15s.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 01, 2020, 09:53:33 AM
Whatever happens now, I know after all this ends, the journalists who will dig and write about the gov made bloody sewage won't be imprisoned. This is one thing I trust with America rather than the States.

If this happens -I pretty much doubt it- it will officially be the start of a fundamentally new era. Just reminding a crucial line, I personally don't think there is anything to worry about.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-- Joseph Goebbels

This is where we are.  I hope your optimism is correct.  I am deeply worried that we are seeing the beginning of the end of the US. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 10:08:27 AM
NO. Nothing is ending. Yes, horrifying things are happening right now. It could get worse and even worse. But it is not gonna stay that way. And if it doesn't get worse, it can't get better. You are going to get through this. You have gone through far worse times.

People need to stay calm, organise and need to help each other. Don't give way to fear and panic.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 01, 2020, 10:09:08 AM
This is troubling, but the country IS losing control, not just the government.  Although our leaders have been fanning the political flames for years, and I believe are largely responsible for much of the division. Then something like this happens, and everyone seems surprised, like they didn't see it coming.  The thing is that most of us sense this, but it's always a surprise when it happens.  I still doubt that this is any sort of final episode for the US.  We will continue our downward struggle.  But eventually, the experiment will end, I think.  I don't think what we call democracy will end suddenly. It will just erode, but no one will be able to agree on the date until 100 years afterwards when historians will just mark it as a time period, and will describe it as, "before the rise of Rittenhouse."

It's also likely that the current government will not disappear.  Who's going to disappear it?  The Michigan Militia?  There will still be voting and protests, but the government will endure.  It's the group with the most weapons and the biggest military.  It doesn't have to change just because people are mad.  It can take care of itself.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 10:16:08 AM
I still doubt that this is any sort of final episode for the US.

Of course, it isn't. Pffft. Guys sometimes I wonder about you.

On the contrary, it will take time, but the change will be much better. Yes, the life is never going to be the same, again I insist, it will be much better in time.

But I don't agree that this is an experiment. It's a real struggle. Own up to it.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 10:49:40 AM
NO. Nothing is ending. Yes, horrifying things are happening right now. It could get worse and even worse. But it is not gonna stay that way. And if it doesn't get worse, it can't get better. You are going to get through this. You have gone through far worse times.

People need to stay calm, organise and need to help each other. Don't give way to fear and panic.

Horrifying?  Wait until nuclear war starts ;-(  Snowflakes melt in nuclear fireballs.

Every day is an experiment in survival.  Don't have survival skills?  You won't survive.  The first survival skill is avoiding violent conflict.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 11:00:21 AM
Why are you all so fucking alienated about this? Why don't you own up to it? This is a real struggle. And it's yours. This is going to determine all your lives from now on.

One is acting like a child, others sound like talking about something happening in another continent ffs. It is like I do believe in you more than you believe in anything.

Yes, it is horrifying, we are in a worse phase, I live in constant fear too. And?

When it is necessary, you should go out too. This is it! Your life has potentially changed forever. Black or white or blue or pruple.

Maybe, it is time to embrace this and become a nation,eh?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 01, 2020, 11:41:16 AM
But I don't agree that this is an experiment. It's a real struggle.
We are talking past each other as we often have in the past.  The struggle is real, not an experiment.  The experiment is democracy, and this is not my idea.  In our own texts, democracy is often referred to as an experiment, because well, that's what it was, and we are still waiting for the results.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 01, 2020, 11:53:12 AM
(https://i.redd.it/4dagn8nhf9251.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 12:04:25 PM
We are talking past each other as we often have in the past.  The struggle is real, not an experiment.  The experiment is democracy, and this is not my idea.  In our own texts, democracy is often referred to as an experiment, because well, that's what it was, and we are still waiting for the results.

The past is a present battle field now. It doesn't have to be your idea. You are talking like an academic addressing a class of students. This is your fucking country. This is your people. Unfortunately, this the historical practice that has never changed. It hasn't changed since the dawn of human.

Please get this. This is yours, you need to embrace this. And you need to own up to it even if you are not there! Doesn't matter, if you go out or not. This is your fight! This is your battle! This is NOT an American struggle, this is THE AMERICAN STRUGGLE.

It's going to be OK. It will be OK. You will get out of this.


Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 12:07:39 PM
Why are you all so fucking alienated about this? Why don't you own up to it? This is a real struggle. And it's yours. This is going to determine all your lives from now on.

One is acting like a child, others sound like talking about something happening in another continent ffs. It is like I do believe in you more than you believe in anything.

Yes, it is horrifying, we are in a worse phase, I live in constant fear too. And?

When it is necessary, you should go out too. This is it! Your life has potentially changed forever. Black or white or blue or pruple.

Maybe, it is time to embrace this and become a nation,eh?

A struggle to achieve Marxist version of Plato's Republic?  You aren't a Guardian ... that is a British newspaper ;-)

I have wanted (as a sin) that the Dems are more guilty than the Repubs ... but I know in my head it isn't so, they are equally guilty.  Fortunately it isn't my job to judge or punish people, or a lot of people would die.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 12:09:34 PM
The past is a present battle field now. It doesn't have to be your idea. You are talking like an academic addressing a class of students. This is your fucking country. This is your people. Unfortunately, this the historical practice that has never changed. It hasn't changed since the dawn of human.

Please get this. This is yours, you need to embrace this. And you need to own up to it even if you are not there! Doesn't matter, if you go out or not. This is your fight! This is your battle! This is NOT an American struggle, this is THE AMERICAN STRUGGLE.

It's going to be OK. It will be OK. You will get out of this.

In my case, I have told my daughter, and people here, the future is up to the 20-60 year olds.  Us seniors are done!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 12:31:30 PM
Baruch, please get the fuck out of my face.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 12:38:13 PM
Baruch, please get the fuck out of my face.

Go make love, not war.  Like your perspective (but wordy).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 01, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
There is an unbelievable censorship. It's practically blocked. Comic books sneek peak comes up when you search "June 1 2020 DC shootings".


Use a VPN and set it to a EU country or anywhere other than the U.S. These results I get back when I search that:

(https://puu.sh/FRtbK.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 01, 2020, 01:14:32 PM
Otherwise the mayor from DC has given a press release 2 hours ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0T6IkdXcQ
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 01:17:51 PM
Why would I use VPN? Why anyone here use VPN? That just means  it's illegal.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 01, 2020, 01:41:36 PM
Why would I use VPN? Why anyone here use VPN? That just means  it's illegal.

Exactly how stupid you are?

1. A VPN protects your data. Keeps hackers from getting your information and stealing your identity.

2. It allows you to trick the internet into thinking you're someplace else, allowing you to see things you can't normally see. Usually, people do this to watch The Office on Netflix, but now, apparently it allows us to see what is being supressed from American media.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 01:49:56 PM
Anyway I'm, OFF. You are like the the strange and the estranged family of idiots for me. I worry about you, I love you, but I couldn't care less about you...and what the fuck yap yap yap you fucking piece of shits.

Your country is in grave danger. You PEOPLE should come together and protect each other. You need to own up to this and act accordingly.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 01, 2020, 02:01:39 PM
Gee, thanks for thinking so highly of us.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 01, 2020, 03:22:51 PM
Greensboro is now under curfew from 8:00 pm to 6:00 am until further notice. I've never experienced a curfew before, not that I would want to leave my residence. My employer also sent out a reminder of the social media policy that posts containing discriminatory language, harassment, threats of violence or unlawful conduct may result in termination.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 01, 2020, 04:15:27 PM
I'm sorry. Oh. I do apologise. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 01, 2020, 04:19:12 PM
Munch, this is by far the greatest issue of the States. And people are worried, scared for their country. There is no leadership, there is a incompetent fucktard. We are in the middle of a global outbreak. 

You are the only person who is talking about 'feminism' or gender movements to blame a long coming battle and people who are absolutey right about their rage and trying to fight against naked agression targeted to them. And when told that you have zero self awareness, you are telling me, a middle eastern woman who is -has to be- concerned for human rights far before anything else in the place she lives that you know this is the only perspective she sees things from and that you cannot be called a 'right winger' because you don't vote.

It's so obvious you have never been to a protest. Like many others here. Well, I have. In different periods with different issues and different governments. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PEACEFUL PROTEST. If you are having peaceful protests then you are a spoilt piece of shit with no real issues, problems who is having a picnic to post a selfie to your social media account. Or you are a member of a specific group.

If you had a tiny bit of historical perspective you would understand this. You have no idea what is a movement, what is a cause or understand the difference betwen real life issues in a society and internet videos/sites produced to make money or political propaganda.

I was looking at the funny pictures/videos threads the other day. With pr's absence it's become more conspicous that you seem to be the only person who is posting the same kind of gender memes, videos made by brain damaged teenagers about women, movies and so on.

I have never seen a gay man who is supposedly content with his life lashing out to anything related to women this much with no provocation at all. Then as I said before, I doubt if you have an opinion of your own.

Just to make it clear. Countless videos and countless memes, sites produced in the last 15 years don't mean shit. Yeah they are that old. Not even that old actually. People who think they are criticising or somehow negating, manipulating, doing something against these modern movements by that culture -be it feminism or BLM Or whatever- are the dumbest people alive. And the rest is making money from it. Reality is very different than gaming memes about women who wants to be men. Infact, it is another universe.

So these movements, they're not going anywhere. Given that you don't threaten their existence, they're not going to harm you even in the worst scenario. BUT the set of ideas or ideologies; the side you support will look for, find and harm people like you. This is not a joke. This is the right wing understanding. The fact that you can't get this or think that nothing's going to happen where you live in this level doesn't change this outcome. It's not flexible. Vote or don't vote, right wing state of mind is exactly like religion. That's its nature and what it gets its power from. 

Please, don't babble about the same things over and over again or try to inform me about my perspective in life. You have zero awareness of the current trends, simplest dynamics in your own country.

wanted to go into a long reply, but I've realized looking at your other posts it won't be worth doing so. My original statements were that any group, ones you hate, ones you follow, become corrupted by toxic people and they end up destroying the original message and turning any movement into something shit.

I can tell your afraid however, and thats just making you lash out. So it won't benefit me anything to go into this with you. End of the day I don't want to see anyone hurt because of the mess happening over where you all are, I'd sooner this all die down quick like any other regular joe would want.

Whatever differences of opinion and ideals we might have I'd sooner everyone just get through this and safe out the other side. Just stay away from the riots as much as you can and protest safely online.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 04:50:11 PM
wanted to go into a long reply, but I've realized looking at your other posts it won't be worth doing so. My original statements were that any group, ones you hate, ones you follow, become corrupted by toxic people and they end up destroying the original message and turning any movement into something shit.

I can tell your afraid however, and thats just making you lash out. So it won't benefit me anything to go into this with you. End of the day I don't want to see anyone hurt because of the mess happening over where you all are, I'd sooner this all die down quick like any other regular joe would want.

Whatever differences of opinion and ideals we might have I'd sooner everyone just get through this and safe out the other side. Just stay away from the riots as much as you can and protest safely online.

“LEFTIST JOURNALIST SHOCKED THAT THE RIOTERS DESTROYED HER OFFICE, JOURNALISTS ARE NOT SPECIAL” - Who is who?  Not everyone is a "crisis actor" but some of them can be.  Sometimes both antagonists are ... but don't know they other guy is an undercover cop.  Again, why is Target targeted?  Walmart terrorist army?  Good thing K-Mart is already dead ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 04:53:13 PM
Good news ... in a sad way ...

"George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure" ... paid for by Lloyd family.  It differs from the "official" one.  I tend to trust this one more than the "protect all cops" one.  So definitely manslaughter, depending on how deliberate it was.  They cop had like 17 prior charges of police excessive force.

So premature judgement on cause of death is cleared.  Premature judgement on motivation/liability will remain with the court.  Hypothetical .. what if Mr Lloyd was going to turn this cop in for drug dealing?  That would give the cop motivation for at least second degree murder.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 01, 2020, 04:56:19 PM
Greensboro is now under curfew from 8:00 pm to 6:00 am until further notice.
Me too.  Not that I was planning on going anywhere anyway.  Curfew buddies!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 01, 2020, 05:02:34 PM
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/06/its-not-fair-to-judge-all-police-officers-based-on-the-few-bad-apples-we-violently-defend-at-all-costs/ (note: satire similar to The Onion)

Just one bad apple.  And three more bad apples who looked on.  And a few dozen more bad apples who took unprovoked shots at reporters and medics and passerby.  And the bad apples who go unreported and unremarked every year.

But statistically, the apple basket is fine.  Reach in, see what you get.  Whatever it is, I'm sure it was deserved.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 01, 2020, 05:03:23 PM
Good news ... in a sad way ...

"George Floyd's family releases independent autopsy showing death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure" ... paid for by Lloyd family.  It differs from the "official" one.  I tend to trust this one more than the "protect all cops" one.  So definitely manslaughter, depending on how deliberate it was.  They cop had like 17 prior charges of police excessive force.

So premature judgement on cause of death is cleared.  Premature judgement on motivation/liability will remain with the court.  Hypothetical .. what if Mr Lloyd was going to turn this cop in for drug dealing?  That would give the cop motivation for at least second degree murder.

George's family have also called out for restraint to be held on these riots. Clearly they don't want his death to be remembered as something that lead to the kind of chaos happening right now.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/george-floyd-family-urge-people-to-do-this-another-way-and-vote-rather-than-cause-violence-11998827

His own brother, of if anyone deserves a right to destroy something its him, if he can say stop destroying peoples lives and communities, then anyone else backing these riots needs to shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 01, 2020, 08:34:03 PM
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/06/its-not-fair-to-judge-all-police-officers-based-on-the-few-bad-apples-we-violently-defend-at-all-costs/ (note: satire similar to The Onion)

Just one bad apple.  And four more bad apples who looked on.  And a few dozen more bad apples who took unprovoked shots at reporters and medics and passerby.  And the bad apples who go unreported and unremarked every year.

But statistically, the apple basket is fine.  Reach in, see what you get.  Whatever it is, I'm sure it was deserved.

It is never safe to interact with police or firemen on duty!  You touch either of my nephews, I will give them permission to deal harshly with you!

Unfortunately, it seems the governors/mayors were slow in setting curfew.  They want to be all things to all people ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 08:55:12 PM
Looks like we are heading towards martial law.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/06/01/watch-live-president-trump-makes-statement-amid-nationwide-policy-brutality-protests/
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 01, 2020, 09:08:46 PM
Riots finally hit my hometown, even though it's in the arse end of nowhere. Whole thing's taken on a life of its own now.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 09:43:19 PM
BBQ joint owner who fed cops for free shot and killed in Louisville

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/man-killed-louisville-police-national-guard-protests

Riot police trying to destroy media camera and assaulting cameraman
 
https://twitter.com/MLevineReports/status/1267588759794716677

Police throwing reporter to ground, pepper spraying him after showing press ID

https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317/status/1266945268567678976

Reporter shot at during live segment, loses eye

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/us/minneapolis-protests-press.html
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 01, 2020, 10:39:47 PM
rioters in dallas beat the shit out of a store owner outside his shop.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8373657/Shocking-moment-Dallas-rioters-hurl-ROCKS-store-owner-tried-defend-shop-sword.html

black security guard shot dead by rioters in a court house.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/federal-law-enforcement-officer-killed-in-oakland-protest-identified

rioters destroy the bar brought by a black fireman with his life savings leaving him with no way to restore it.

https://sports.yahoo.com/rioters-destroy-bar-black-minneapolis-191303655.html

rioters burn down an affordable housing project for low income housing set to open next year.

http://tcbmag.com/news/articles/2020/may/protest-violence-destroys-30m-affordable-housing-project

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 10:59:14 PM
Quote
rioters in dallas beat the shit out of a store owner outside his shop.

Don't know about the rest of them, but that one was proven wrong. That guy brought a giant ass knife, started screaming at protesters and chasing them, then got the shit beat out of him. He wasn't a store owner or anything, just a mental idiot.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 01, 2020, 11:14:23 PM
Don't know about the rest of them, but that one was proven wrong. That guy brought a giant ass knife, started screaming at protesters and chasing them, then got the shit beat out of him. He wasn't a store owner or anything, just a mental idiot.

theres conflicting reports on if he was a store owner or not, but not seen anything saying its wrong.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 01, 2020, 11:24:33 PM
theres conflicting reports on if he was a store owner or not, but not seen anything saying its wrong.

Dallas PD has yet to confirm he is a storeowner, and no one else seems to confirm it either.

And either way, he chased a protester around with a giant ass knife, that's literally asking to get the shit beat out of you.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 01, 2020, 11:32:28 PM
theres conflicting reports on if he was a store owner or not, but not seen anything saying its wrong.
if there are conflicting reports and one of those reports is the daily mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2159692/Womans-mouth-falls-pregnant-squid-biting-sea-creature-scientists-claim.html), then it's generally safe to go with the other report
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 01, 2020, 11:43:00 PM
if there are conflicting reports and one of those reports is the daily mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2159692/Womans-mouth-falls-pregnant-squid-biting-sea-creature-scientists-claim.html), then it's generally safe to go with the other report

I can say the exact same about anything reported by BuzzFeed.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 01, 2020, 11:54:54 PM
I can say the exact same about anything reported by BuzzFeed.
https://www.businessinsider.com/louisville-restaurant-owner-david-mcatee-death-body-left-hours-report-2020-6
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2020/06/01/who-david-mcatee-louisville-barbecue-store-owner-killed-police/5308229002/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/01/us/floyd-protests-live.html

There you go.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 01, 2020, 11:55:26 PM
More released about the guy, he was defending a bar he liked from the riots and probably drunk wanted to scare protestors with his sword. He admits it was a stupid move to do what he did now.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/dallas/article243153526.html
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 01:26:58 AM
Looks like we are heading towards martial law.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/06/01/watch-live-president-trump-makes-statement-amid-nationwide-policy-brutality-protests/

You want civil war, you get one.  Not a smart thing to want ;-(  Federalizing the National Guard is no more martial law than the LA riots federalized in 1992.  Which coincidentally was also against a Republican president.  Think maximum Covid lockdown like in Wuhan.  That is martial law.  You have to have a dictatorship already in place.  If some people thought that the arrest of Barak Obama, Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton were doing to be arrested shortly, it explains why this happened now, rather than with recent previous police brutality cases.  Not that I know that those three violated any law at all.  The law is ... so complicated.  Personally I blame Jeffrey Epstein ;-)  Alive and well in Tel Aviv?

On the other hand, a Chinese attempt at world conquest is ... crazy aggressive.  A lot like the Japanese in the 1930s.  The Japanese kept thinking everyone would bow to them, and if they didn't, they just kept doubling down.  Japanese and Han Chinese have the same notion of grievance against the West, and racial superiority.  Modern China is the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity realized.  With Emperor Xi, not Emperor Hirohito.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 01:27:32 AM
Riots finally hit my hometown, even though it's in the arse end of nowhere. Whole thing's taken on a life of its own now.

Take care.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 01:28:52 AM
Don't know about the rest of them, but that one was proven wrong. That guy brought a giant ass knife, started screaming at protesters and chasing them, then got the shit beat out of him. He wasn't a store owner or anything, just a mental idiot.

Rioters, looters and other criminals ... are all mental idiots.

And now y'all are spamming headlines ;-)  Doom porn.  Cthulhu will arise shortly!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 02, 2020, 01:31:05 AM
How about the man with the bow? I wonder if he is alive. There was nothing on him yesterday. I couldn't find anything yesterday. It was so depressing.

I cleaned the posts.


wanted to go into a long reply, but I've realized looking at your other posts it won't be worth doing so.

Did that look like an invitation for conversation to you? I told you please not to repeat yourself. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 01:40:19 AM
How about the man with the bow? I wonder if he is alive. There was nothing on him yesterday. I couldn't find anything yesterday. It was so depressing.

I cleaned the posts.


Did that look like an invitation for conversation to you? I told you please not to repeat yourself.

Utah man with bow (nut case) was beaten by bystanders and charged by the police two days ago.  I have to think I prefer a gun shot to a hunting arrow (ow!).

Old joke ... two ants are talking to each other.  One says to the other "the humans are all dead, now ants inherit the world!" .. the other one replies "red ants or black ants?".
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 02, 2020, 01:42:30 AM
1. A VPN protects your data. Keeps hackers from getting your information and stealing your identity.

2. It allows you to trick the internet into thinking you're someplace else, allowing you to see things you can't normally see. Usually, people do this to watch The Office on Netflix, but now, apparently it allows us to see what is being supressed from American media.

I don't get it. Netflix doesn't even work if VPN is on. What is more, what is not available to you is not available to anyone else. I don't think this particular censorship works this way.

Otherwise, anyone in power would love to show America bad and especially him. I have never seen anything like it. There is nothing specific about the events but just the mainstream stuff. But then I don't have personal social media. 

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 01:45:54 AM
I don't get it. Netflix doesn't even work if VPN is on. What is more, what is not available to you is not available to anyone else. I don't think this particular censorship works this way.

Otherwise, anyone in power would love to show America bad and especially him. I have never seen anything like it. There is nothing specific about the events but just the mainstream stuff. But then I don't have personal social media.

Different protocols are allowed in a comm channel.  If Netflix isn't allowed in a VPN, that is because it has the wrong signature.  I don't know that for sure, that VPN blocks Netflix, but it might vary by nation etc.

You weren't alive in the 1960s.  It can get much worse.  Regular riots every Summer by the usual suspects.  Demonstrations every Fall and Spring by the other suspects.  I kind of wish nuclear war had gone ahead in 1962.

The propaganda is thick, but not very impressive.  Hitler and Stalin laugh.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 02, 2020, 01:58:23 AM
Different protocols are allowed in a channel.  If Netflix isn't allowed in a VPN, that is because it has the wrong signature.  I don't know that for sure, that VPN blocks Netflix, but it might vary by nation etc.

You weren't alive in the 1960s.  It can get much worse.  Regular riots every Summer by the usual suspects.  Demonstrations every Fall and Spring by the other suspects.  I kind of wish nuclear war had gone ahead in 1962.

The propaganda is thick, but not very impressive.  Hitler and Stalin laugh.

I thought it is because the existence of VPN means something illegal might be going on. It is illegal here.

They killed a young kurdish man yesterday and I don't believe anything about it.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 02:07:48 AM
I thought it is because the existence of VPN means something illegal might begoing  on. It is illegal here.

They killed a young kurdish man yesterday and I don't believe anything about it.

Depends on local (national) law.  Internet is most restricted of all, in China and Iran.  For obvious reasons.  TOR (anonymity tool) is a Dark Net tool too.  But it is as trustworthy as a double agent, so I am told.  It was created for use by dissidents in non-US countries, and for US agents to use.  If you use it, the NSA etc will notice.  As they probably notice if an American uses a VPN (who isn't government).  We had to use government VPN from home, on the rare times we worked our government jobs from home.  Since it is a government VPN, obviously the government can see what you are doing, but it is hard for China to see it ;-)  If you use non-standard encryption, it doesn't have a backdoor for the authorities, and that catches their notice too.

Complete anonymity isn't possible on a public network ... it is like locking your car.  It only keeps amateurs out.  I know a little.  Worked with a Certified Ethical Hacker at my government job, and I took some training in it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 02, 2020, 07:11:35 AM
Anonymity? Facebook has 2 billion 600 million, Instagram over one billion members. And 3.5 billion people still don't have access to internet on the planet. People keep saying they want privacy and anonymity but they keep flaunting all their lives online. I think they just want to be seen in a certain way that is the problem. 

Also why would anyone -government or anyone- want to spend energy and time to hack ordinary people like us? You really don't need to hack into people's computers to learn about them or what they're up to in my opinion.

Other than that they have collected information for years. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 08:43:25 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=knNLy-hiaNY
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2020, 09:25:45 AM
Okay, pr.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 09:27:08 AM
Okay, pr.

Who?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2020, 09:55:06 AM
100+ instances of police assaulting the media and destroying their equipment
(https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1266670730441379844)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:37:23 AM
Anonymity? Facebook has 2 billion 600 million, Instagram over one billion members. And 3.5 billion people still don't have access to internet on the planet. People keep saying they want privacy and anonymity but they keep flaunting all their lives online. I think they just want to be seen in a certain way that is the problem. 

Also why would anyone -government or anyone- want to spend energy and time to hack ordinary people like us? You really don't need to hack into people's computers to learn about them or what they're up to in my opinion.

Other than that they have collected information for years.

NSA listens to every phone call ... via computer algorithm.  The Elite always distrust and suppress the Mob.  Got "bread and circuses"?

I wasn't suggesting you needed anonymity.  You aren't a wanted criminal, are you? (rhetorical).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:40:20 AM
100+ instances of police assaulting the media and destroying their equipment
(https://twitter.com/N_Waters89/status/1266670730441379844)

FEMA camp for those assholes (MSM).

The average human being is a psychopath.  Some of them are also sociopaths.  Not All Rioters ... NAR! NAR!  Disagree?  Only if you are a F**** psychopath.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:41:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRmcps4Z--w

Arrest all the anarchists, nihilists, communists and ... regular criminals let out of jail because of Covid.

"No one in charge stood up to save America. Our leaders dithered. They cowered. They openly sided with the destroyers. In many cases, they egged them on. ... All our leaders do is set us against each other. They stage a never-ending national cockfight for their profit and amusement. ...  Enforcing the law is not white supremacy. Insisting that everyone in the country follow the same rules is not racism. - Tucker Carlson (the only decent guy in MSM).

Oh, send all Dem leaders to Guantanamo.  Round up all Dem traitors for FEMA camp reeducation.  Should have happened under Nixon.  Nixon did nothing wrong.

"Pelosi, Schumer condemn President Trump for tear-gassing protesters outside White House" ... leaders of the "pack".  Save time, just shoot these traitors (sarc).

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2020, 12:35:18 PM
White nationalists posing as Antifa and a large percentage of the violent rioters being shipped into cities are right wing, but you know... "ThE lEfTiStS dId ThIs!"

(https://pics.me.me/thumb_this-meme-is-called-brainlet-wojak-171403111-added-by-49262141.png)

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 02, 2020, 12:43:50 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=knNLy-hiaNY

There's a special kind of irony in using a meme to accuse others of groupthink.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 02, 2020, 12:47:28 PM
I thought it is because the existence of VPN means something illegal might be going on. It is illegal here.

They killed a young kurdish man yesterday and I don't believe anything about it.

VPNs aren't illegal. Not here, anyway. Their main purpose is to encrypt your data to make it harder to steal. They also advertise your ability to set your location anywhere in the world. Websites can't tell the difference between someone actually living in a region or a VPN making it look like they are from there.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 01:16:06 PM
White nationalists posing as Antifa and a large percentage of the violent rioters being shipped into cities are right wing, but you know... "ThE lEfTiStS dId ThIs!"

(https://pics.me.me/thumb_this-meme-is-called-brainlet-wojak-171403111-added-by-49262141.png)

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456

White people are Black people in disguise.  Cops are rioters in disguise.  Dems are Republicans in disguise.  How do I know this?  Alex Jones! ;-))
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 01:17:18 PM
There's a special kind of irony in using a meme to accuse others of groupthink.

Are you so individualist, you aren't a member of any group, you are your own species?  Based!

No, not groupthink.  Communist scum don't think at all ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 02, 2020, 01:45:16 PM
VPNs aren't illegal. Not here, anyway. Their main purpose is to encrypt your data to make it harder to steal. They also advertise your ability to set your location anywhere in the world. Websites can't tell the difference between someone actually living in a region or a VPN making it look like they are from there.

Well, I have checked. Although it is prohibited, it is not a crime here either. Apparently nobody is charged with something like it. I know, it is very common. Yes, I get how it works. Thanks though. But I didn't get how it is used with sites like Netflix because as far as I know as movie lists are different in each countries, Netflix doesn't work with VPN. Or so I was told by someone living in the States. They probably found a way though.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 01:57:54 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/bob-kroll-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-union-chief

oh dear dear. Seems like certain details now coming out about george floyd other news outlets and online boards don't want the world to hear.

Turns out, as told by Lt Bob Kroll, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis, Floyd has a criminal past, including when he broke into a womans house and held her at gunpoint at her pregnant belly. Also something not often discussed was why the police was called on him in the first place, was that he was using a fake $20 note, leading to the officer being called.

Now obviously this doesn't absolve the police that killed him, they didn't know his criminal past when it occured, although infomation is out also that Derek Chauvin had a past with Floyd in security, have to find more on that, so maybe they had a history themselves.

Again Floyds past deeds doesn't absolve Chauvin for killing him, but it does show things aren't as black and white as being made out, and if this turns out to be true, whats said about him by Bob Kroll, if I were the woman whos life Floyd threatened, I'd probably be thinking less then regretful thoughts at what happened.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
https://twitter.com/RichmondPolice/status/1267120558409494532

Richmond police department, how rioters set fire to a building, and stopped police and fire fighters from getting to the building while a child was trapped inside.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 02, 2020, 02:38:31 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/bob-kroll-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-union-chief

oh dear dear. Seems like certain details now coming out about george floyd other news outlets and online boards don't want the world to hear.

Turns out, as told by Lt Bob Kroll, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis, Floyd has a criminal past, including when he broke into a womans house and held her at gunpoint at her pregnant belly. Also something not often discussed was why the police was called on him in the first place, was that he was using a fake $20 note, leading to the officer being called.

Now obviously this doesn't absolve the police that killed him, they didn't know his criminal past when it occured, although infomation is out also that Derek Chauvin had a past with Floyd in security, have to find more on that, so maybe they had a history themselves.

Again Floyds past deeds doesn't absolve Chauvin for killing him, but it does show things aren't as black and white as being made out, and if this turns out to be true, whats said about him by Bob Kroll, if I were the woman whos life Floyd threatened, I'd probably be thinking less then regretful thoughts at what happened.

They had him handcuffed, face on the ground, with the officer's knee on his neck for several minutes, until he died. I don't give a fuck about his past.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 02, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
I pretty much agree with Pakman. This situation is too complex to use one lens to understand it. People want simple explanations. Lots of people have their favorite hammer and are driving the same damn nail. There are no easy answers.

I don't agree with violence, I don't consider myself a violent person, but I certainly understand and empathize with the urge to smash everything in a fit of rage. I also agree with Pakman that whether violence in political protests or social movements is effective or results in even worse consequences is debatable.

https://youtu.be/0yfM9rkcoxk
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 03:03:40 PM
guys right, there is no easy, black and white way of looking at this. Theres a few on our dear forum here that feel there is, but this is a more complex issue then just the one way of seeing it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/bob-kroll-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-union-chief

oh dear dear. Seems like certain details now coming out about george floyd other news outlets and online boards don't want the world to hear.

Turns out, as told by Lt Bob Kroll, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis, Floyd has a criminal past, including when he broke into a womans house and held her at gunpoint at her pregnant belly. Also something not often discussed was why the police was called on him in the first place, was that he was using a fake $20 note, leading to the officer being called.

Now obviously this doesn't absolve the police that killed him, they didn't know his criminal past when it occured, although infomation is out also that Derek Chauvin had a past with Floyd in security, have to find more on that, so maybe they had a history themselves.

Again Floyds past deeds doesn't absolve Chauvin for killing him, but it does show things aren't as black and white as being made out, and if this turns out to be true, whats said about him by Bob Kroll, if I were the woman whos life Floyd threatened, I'd probably be thinking less then regretful thoughts at what happened.

In the US, Black crime is called Reparations.  In UK, Pakistani crime is called "Allah Akbar".
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 03:05:43 PM
https://twitter.com/RichmondPolice/status/1267120558409494532

Richmond police department, how rioters set fire to a building, and stopped police and fire fighters from getting to the building while a child was trapped inside.

Criminals are the most rational and non-intoxicated people ever ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 03:07:00 PM
They had him handcuffed, face on the ground, with the officer's knee on his neck for several minutes, until he died. I don't give a fuck about his past.

I don't give a F*#&#^ for criminals.  You defend criminals?  You are a criminal too.  Not justifying cops.  This cop was a well known loose cannon.  His department didn't fire him.  On the other hand, it seems that many police departments train cops to knee you in the neck ;-(

I get it, it is only a crime if a cop does it?  Only a crime if a White does it?  If you think so, burn in a burning building ...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 03:08:09 PM
guys right, there is no easy, black and white way of looking at this. Theres a few on our dear forum here that feel there is, but this is a more complex issue then just the one way of seeing it.

Anyone who sympathizes with Rotherham is a monster.  Anyone who sympathizes with rioters/looters is a monster.  I have no sympathy for sociopaths.  Democracy and civil rights protect sociopaths.  End democracy and civil rights now!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2020, 03:44:42 PM
guys right, there is no easy, black and white way of looking at this. Theres a few on our dear forum here that feel there is, but this is a more complex issue then just the one way of seeing it.

Name one.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2020, 03:45:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a59q6tVHyJ4
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 02, 2020, 04:02:41 PM
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
The white supremacists are in the police force, no doubt about it. I would like to know if they are using the chaos as a cover to go full nazi chimpout, or if they're following some nefarious orders from white supremacists secret club *coughkkkcough*.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 04:23:18 PM
heres some positive in all this mess.

https://twitter.com/angeldigit/status/1267751644198047746

homeless man in Austin, everything he owned was destroyed by the rioters. But the local community stepped in and gave him a new tent, bed, money and everything to survive.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 02, 2020, 04:24:42 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ekMHN1C.mp4

1) Cop tackles black man (don't know if it was provoked or unprovoked)
2) Cop plants baton on black man
3) Cop starts smashing this guy's hand to "disarm" him, very likely to claim later that the subdued black man was attacking him and everything the cop was doing was in self-defense

If this wasn't on camera, who would you believe?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2020, 04:26:44 PM
heres some positive in all this mess.

https://twitter.com/angeldigit/status/1267751644198047746 (https://twitter.com/angeldigit/status/1267751644198047746)

homeless man in Austin, everything he owned was destroyed by the rioters. But the local community stepped in and gave him a new tent, bed, money and everything to survive.

Staged by info wars, but glad he benefited in the end. The video where it happens was filmed by info wars, the guy burning his shit literally has a iw hat on, and the homeless man is screaming at the IW camera man asking him wtf he is doing.


IW is Alex Jones, btw. Far right.



Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 02, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Some protest here, very little damage, but not zero.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 02, 2020, 06:31:35 PM
Trump's trying to declare war on American citizens. Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 07:33:40 PM
Have to wonder, if this occurred 6-8 years ago with Obama in office, and if there was a pandemic the same as today back then, would the reaction have been the same? Would tensions have been the same during that period that lead to this?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mermaid on June 02, 2020, 07:46:53 PM
Have to wonder, if this occurred 6-8 years ago with Obama in office, and if there was a pandemic the same as today back then, would the reaction have been the same? Would tensions have been the same during that period that lead to this?
I doubt it, because Obama was a leader and didn't make everything about himself and his might.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 02, 2020, 07:48:31 PM
Trump wants to Make America Grovel Again.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 02, 2020, 07:56:19 PM
Have to wonder, if this occurred 6-8 years ago with Obama in office, and if there was a pandemic the same as today back then, would the reaction have been the same? Would tensions have been the same during that period that lead to this?

No. Americans are much more polarized now than four years ago. Also Trump isn't trying to de-escalate the situation, he's trying to intimidate people like an angry boss. He's completely out of his depth. The failure of government on the federal and state level to effectively address the pandemic has revealed multiple systemic breakdowns. In the past, Americans pulled together in times of crisis but not during this pandemic. Americans aren't worried about Russia, China or immigrants from Mexico, they have identified groups of other Americans as the enemy.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 02, 2020, 08:30:12 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/bob-kroll-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-union-chief

oh dear dear. Seems like certain details now coming out about george floyd other news outlets and online boards don't want the world to hear.

Turns out, as told by Lt Bob Kroll, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis, Floyd has a criminal past, including when he broke into a womans house and held her at gunpoint at her pregnant belly. Also something not often discussed was why the police was called on him in the first place, was that he was using a fake $20 note, leading to the officer being called.

Now obviously this doesn't absolve the police that killed him, they didn't know his criminal past when it occured, although infomation is out also that Derek Chauvin had a past with Floyd in security, have to find more on that, so maybe they had a history themselves.

Again Floyds past deeds doesn't absolve Chauvin for killing him, but it does show things aren't as black and white as being made out, and if this turns out to be true, whats said about him by Bob Kroll, if I were the woman whos life Floyd threatened, I'd probably be thinking less then regretful thoughts at what happened.
You remind me of a rapist who goes on to blame the victim--she was a convicted shoplifter, or she wore tight jeans and a halter top--what was I supposed to do?, or she has been in juvenile hall several times, or she has been to jail numerous times--and on and on.  Are you suggesting that if a person has a 'criminal record' then they forfeit all rights?  That everything they do is criminal based and therefore they are fair game to whatever a cop wants to do to them?  Even if this guy had knowingly passed off a counterfeit bill, does that give the cops the right to treat him as they see fit?  He was handcuffed and on his face.  What the fuck could he do to that cop???  And the cop kept the pressure on his neck for several long minutes.  Why not get up off the guy, lift him up and put him into a patrol car?  I really don't understand you attitude. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 02, 2020, 08:33:26 PM
Have to wonder, if this occurred 6-8 years ago with Obama in office, and if there was a pandemic the same as today back then, would the reaction have been the same? Would tensions have been the same during that period that lead to this?
Obama (nor Bush--yes war criminal Bush, nor Clinton, nor Daddy Bush, nor any other president in our history) would not have let the pandemic get to this stage.  He would have handled this situation as he did Ferguson.  He was a leader.  No matter what excuses you want to give to the orange monster he is not a leader.  He does not like people.  He loves money and power and that's it.  Why you refuse to see this is beyond my ability to understand.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 09:20:58 PM
You remind me of a rapist who goes on to blame the victim--she was a convicted shoplifter, or she wore tight jeans and a halter top--what was I supposed to do?, or she has been in juvenile hall several times, or she has been to jail numerous times--and on and on.  Are you suggesting that if a person has a 'criminal record' then they forfeit all rights?  That everything they do is criminal based and therefore they are fair game to whatever a cop wants to do to them?  Even if this guy had knowingly passed off a counterfeit bill, does that give the cops the right to treat him as they see fit?  He was handcuffed and on his face.  What the fuck could he do to that cop???  And the cop kept the pressure on his neck for several long minutes.  Why not get up off the guy, lift him up and put him into a patrol car?  I really don't understand you attitude.

I understand tensions are high over there so people are riled up, but calling someone 'like a rapist' to find a comparison to something like this is pretty fucking shallow, given what rape victims go through.

Saying that, your also jumping the shark because you making assumptions based on what I said and your own outlook. I said the the same post to quoted, whatever floyd's past was it didn't excuse an officer killing him, even if the officer had known any of it which he wouldn't have. I was simply saying that if these things are true about his past, then it seems bizarre painting him as an innocent victim and the face of this current protest when he might have threatened a pregnant woman with a gun. My point was this whole thing isn't a black and white as your making it out to be.

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I doubt it, because Obama was a leader and didn't make everything about himself and his might.

even when obama was in office, there was still white/black tension in america, lets not pretend it went away just because he was in office for two terms.

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Obama (nor Bush--yes war criminal Bush, nor Clinton, nor Daddy Bush, nor any other president in our history) would not have let the pandemic get to this stage.  He would have handled this situation as he did Ferguson.  He was a leader.  No matter what excuses you want to give to the orange monster he is not a leader.  He does not like people.  He loves money and power and that's it.  Why you refuse to see this is beyond my ability to understand.

you must imagine that because I'm not screaming on twitter about how evil donald trump is that must mean I like him. I've said it several times, I don't hate or like him, I view him as a catalyst, what someone like him being in power causes other people to act like, and so far for the last few years, all thats done is given me more reason to be skeptical about people in general. These protests and violent riots have shown the kind of people around today how they are and what something like trump makes them act like.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2020, 09:35:25 PM
Apparently D.C. is now bringing in mercenaries to patrol the streets. The current guess is they are Erik Prince's "Academi", formerly known as Blackwater before the shit show that was Iraq... but the fact that any PMC is being hired is troubling.


Edit: Also, apparently Blackwater's founder is the brother to Betsy-fucking-Devos.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZidQGVXgAIWKWg?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZidsTnXYAArS1U?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 09:40:28 PM
I'm just waiting for when the new virus spread sparks up because of these protests and riots, because it went from a case of staying indoors to save lives from the disease and support doctors and nurses from making things harder on them, to now just ignoring all that.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 02, 2020, 09:47:44 PM
I understand tensions are high over there so people are riled up, but calling someone 'like a rapist' to find a comparison to something like this is pretty fucking shallow, given what rape victims go through.

Saying that, your also jumping the shark because you making assumptions based on what I said and your own outlook. I said the the same post to quoted, whatever floyd's past was it didn't excuse an officer killing him, even if the officer had known any of it which he wouldn't have. I was simply saying that if these things are true about his past, then it seems bizarre painting him as an innocent victim and the face of this current protest when he might have threatened a pregnant woman with a gun. My point was this whole thing isn't a black and white as your making it out to be.

even when obama was in office, there was still white/black tension in america, lets not pretend it went away just because he was in office for two terms.

you must imagine that because I'm not screaming on twitter about how evil donald trump is that must mean I like him. I've said it several times, I don't hate or like him, I view him as a catalyst, what someone like him being in power causes other people to act like, and so far for the last few years, all thats done is given me more reason to be skeptical about people in general. These protests and violent riots have shown the kind of people around today how they are and what something like trump makes them act like.
What I'm saying, Munch, is that you seem to have a huge right-wing streak running through you.  And every now and again, you spew it out.  You have put down time and again, the extreme leftists.  I have not seen you go through that same take on the growing number of alt-right groups.  You are a nice guy, Munch, but every now and again you rile me up.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 02, 2020, 09:52:41 PM
I'm just waiting for when the new virus spread sparks up because of these protests and riots, because it went from a case of staying indoors to save lives from the disease and support doctors and nurses from making things harder on them, to now just ignoring all that.
Yeah, well murder has a way of freaking people out.  Plus, it seems kinda messed up for nurses and doctors to save lives only for cops to snuff them out.

But yeah, I'm bracing for a fresh wave (is this our second or third?  Or did the first one never really stop?).  There has been some effort for people to maintain social distancing, though of course that goes all out the window when the shit hits the fan.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 02, 2020, 10:01:29 PM
What I'm saying, Munch, is that you seem to have a huge right-wing streak running through you.  And every now and again, you spew it out.  You have put down time and again, the extreme leftists.  I have not seen you go through that same take on the growing number of alt-right groups.  You are a nice guy, Munch, but every now and again you rile me up.

serious now. I'm not a right winger, and I'm not left leaning these days either, I have things I believe in that float left and right in the middle of the spectrum. I don't like extremism of any kind, religious, political, social, but fact is there is a strong left leaning bias on these forums, and while for the most part it doesn't bother me, I'll come in times to give a counterpoint to some of these arguments just to get a middle of the road discussion going.

I have to sit listening to my mother in this pandemic phrasing boris johnson, who she voted for but I didn't, and often trying to in the most tender way possible tell her how boris fucked up and we're suffering because of it, but she's a 70+ year old woman so thats like watching on eggshells in how I tell it. Usually I can have a better conversation with my brother about it and how its like holding my breath when these things come up.

point is, I don't stick to one side, I prefer to make my own observation in topics. only reason it probably seems I'm right leaning is because with most others here having stronger left leaning beliefs I come off right leaning because of where I sit on the spectrum. Not going to apologies for that.


For the record though, I don't want anyone here getting hurt by this, I don't want anyone caught up in the chaos this events caused. Don't know how this is going to turn out but rather everyone just do there best to keep away from the struggles going on and just vent online instead.

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Yeah, well murder has a way of freaking people out.  Plus, it seems kinda messed up for nurses and doctors to save lives only for cops to snuff them out.

But yeah, I'm bracing for a fresh wave (is this our second or third?  Or did the first one never really stop?).  There has been some effort for people to maintain social distancing, though of course that goes all out the window when the shit hits the fan.

it never really ended, since in places like america and the uk, while the virus was still out in force people started going to beaches and hanging out in the hot weather. Theres some rumors how the virus is mutating into a less agressive strain but I'd hold off believing that until proven.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 02, 2020, 10:17:19 PM
Have to wonder, if this occurred 6-8 years ago with Obama in office, and if there was a pandemic the same as today back then, would the reaction have been the same? Would tensions have been the same during that period that lead to this?

You say the strangest things. If this happened during Obama's term, he would not have spread misinformation, or claimed that the virus was a hoax, or an excuse for Republicans to try to make him look bad. When riots broke out, he would do what he could to calm things down, rather than make things worse. Obama wouldn't have been able to fix everything with a magic wand, but if we had virtually anyone other than the current idiot in charge, things would be much better. We literally have the worst possible person to lead us through the year 2020.

even when obama was in office, there was still white/black tension in america, lets not pretend it went away just because he was in office for two terms.

Duh. Whoever said that there wasn't? The point is, every time Trump takes to Twitter, he riles people up. Obama never threatened to treat American citizens like they are terrorists to be gunned down. Trump didn't make people racist (again, duh, but I can just hear that strawman coming from your keyboard), but he did embolden racists by giving them legitimacy. Every year he spends in office is a decade of progress lost.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:43:56 PM
Trump's trying to declare war on American citizens. Why am I not surprised?

Confederates/Democrats were never American citizens ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:45:49 PM
The white supremacists are in the police force, no doubt about it. I would like to know if they are using the chaos as a cover to go full nazi chimpout, or if they're following some nefarious orders from white supremacists secret club *coughkkkcough*.

Black criminals are in the 'hood.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:46:42 PM
Name one.

College students should all be drafted and sent to Vietnam, until they grow up ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:47:50 PM
heres some positive in all this mess.

https://twitter.com/angeldigit/status/1267751644198047746

homeless man in Austin, everything he owned was destroyed by the rioters. But the local community stepped in and gave him a new tent, bed, money and everything to survive.

"Broken Glass Theory" ... disaster is good for the construction business ... I am not sure that is a good thing.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:49:07 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ekMHN1C.mp4

1) Cop tackles black man (don't know if it was provoked or unprovoked)
2) Cop plants baton on black man
3) Cop starts smashing this guy's hand to "disarm" him, very likely to claim later that the subdued black man was attacking him and everything the cop was doing was in self-defense

If this wasn't on camera, who would you believe?

Young cop in a small town I lived in, planted MJ butts on people he didn't like, so he could arrest them ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:50:55 PM
Trump wants to Make America Grovel Again.

Save one's effort, let an earthquake destroy San Fran and Silicon Valley ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 02, 2020, 10:52:56 PM
Recent statements by George W. Bush:

"Laura and I are anguished by the brutal suffocation of George Floyd and disturbed by the injustice and fear that suffocate our country. Yet we have resisted the urge to speak out, because this is not the time for us to lecture. It is time for us to listen.

"It is time for America to examine our tragic failures ― and as we do, we will also see some of our redeeming strengths."

God, what I would give to have Bush as president again. Anyone but Trump. I'd even take this guy:

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Oh, Jesus. They're all from Baruch, aren't they?

*Scrolls down.*

Yup.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:54:34 PM
No. Americans are much more polarized now than four years ago. Also Trump isn't trying to de-escalate the situation, he's trying to intimidate people like an angry boss. He's completely out of his depth. The failure of government on the federal and state level to effectively address the pandemic has revealed multiple systemic breakdowns. In the past, Americans pulled together in times of crisis but not during this pandemic. Americans aren't worried about Russia, China or immigrants from Mexico, they have identified groups of other Americans as the enemy.

How can he de-escalate something being run from Beijing, Biden's basement, Hillary's lair and Soros mansion?

Other groups of Americans have always been the enemy ... Tories in 1700s, Confederates 1800s, Axis or Commie simps in the 1900s.  You are deluded.  Just ask the Native Americans.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:57:45 PM
Obama (nor Bush--yes war criminal Bush, nor Clinton, nor Daddy Bush, nor any other president in our history) would not have let the pandemic get to this stage.  He would have handled this situation as he did Ferguson.  He was a leader.  No matter what excuses you want to give to the orange monster he is not a leader.  He does not like people.  He loves money and power and that's it.  Why you refuse to see this is beyond my ability to understand.

You are entitled to our opinion.  Voted for Obama twice, but not because he was a doctor, or a superhero.  How did the pandemic get to this level?  Because of all the China shit the American deplorables bought from China, to enable an ever bolder and more aggressive Communist menace.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:58:43 PM
I'm just waiting for when the new virus spread sparks up because of these protests and riots, because it went from a case of staying indoors to save lives from the disease and support doctors and nurses from making things harder on them, to now just ignoring all that.

Americans are evil bastards (ask any Red Coat from 1700s).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 10:59:56 PM
Yeah, well murder has a way of freaking people out.  Plus, it seems kinda messed up for nurses and doctors to save lives only for cops to snuff them out.

But yeah, I'm bracing for a fresh wave (is this our second or third?  Or did the first one never really stop?).  There has been some effort for people to maintain social distancing, though of course that goes all out the window when the shit hits the fan.

Murder happens every day.  Even cops murder, probably about one a day.  Back in the day, we didn't have instant access to all the bad news.  Because of this, I am entitled to do criminal acts ... because life is so unfair ... snif, snif.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 11:02:59 PM
You say the strangest things. If this happened during Obama's term, he would not have spread misinformation, or claimed that the virus was a hoax, or an excuse for Republicans to try to make him look bad. When riots broke out, he would do what he could to calm things down, rather than make things worse. Obama wouldn't have been able to fix everything with a magic wand, but if we had virtually anyone other than the current idiot in charge, things would be much better. We literally have the worst possible person to lead us through the year 2020.

Duh. Whoever said that there wasn't? The point is, every time Trump takes to Twitter, he riles people up. Obama never threatened to treat American citizens like they are terrorists to be gunned down. Trump didn't make people racist (again, duh, but I can just hear that strawman coming from your keyboard), but he did embolden racists by giving them legitimacy. Every year he spends in office is a decade of progress lost.

There is no progress.  Every day a new White bastard is born.  Every day a new Black bastard is born.  Just because you want "progress" doesn't mean it has happened or will happen.  I find Dems, if they support rioting and looting, to be un-American in a way that says .. they have no right to life ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 11:06:14 PM
I doubt it, because Obama was a leader and didn't make everything about himself and his might.

A war criminal who started 4 wars.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 11:09:13 PM
Recent statements by George W. Bush:

"Laura and I are anguished by the brutal suffocation of George Floyd and disturbed by the injustice and fear that suffocate our country. Yet we have resisted the urge to speak out, because this is not the time for us to lecture. It is time for us to listen.

"It is time for America to examine our tragic failures ― and as we do, we will also see some of our redeeming strengths."

God, what I would give to have Bush as president again. Anyone but Trump. I'd even take this guy:

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Oh, Jesus. They're all from Baruch, aren't they?

*Scrolls down.*

Yup.

Dems love George W now, even Michele Obama loves him.  His paintings are so cute ...

Y'all like the Bush family so much, you want JEB to be the Dem nominee, right ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 02, 2020, 11:11:21 PM
"Warning - while you were typing 5 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post."

Oh, Jesus. They're all from Baruch, aren't they?

*Scrolls down.*

Yup.

It's getting worse.

Also, I want to see more damage in the USA.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 11:12:45 PM
It's getting wose.

Also, I want to see more damage.

Dems love war criminals ... George W or Barak.  That is why they want civil war led by Hillary.  It is like, compared the 80s, they were all taken over by alien pods ;-(

On a random interest ...

"Pandemic, Economic Crash, Social Unrest, And Now Four Asteroids?" ... just today.  Trump responsible.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 02, 2020, 11:23:03 PM
How can he de-escalate something being run from Beijing, Biden's basement, Hillary's lair and Soros mansion?

You can't think of ways a president could have addressed this situation that would have resulted in less antagonism and violence? There are actually professionals who specialize in verbal de-escalation, many of whom work for the government. Perhaps Trump should consult with them.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 11:27:46 PM
You can't think of ways a president could have addressed this situation that would have resulted in less antagonism and violence? There are actually professionals who specialize in verbal de-escalation, many of whom work for the government. Perhaps Trump should consult with them.

Trump is an asshole.  Vote for someone else.  Don't burn down the country because they are a spoiled 3 year old.  Compromise with criminals?  Hell no.  That would be true even if Obama was still President.  I am not required to deescalate the person trying to break into or burn my house.  That is psycho.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 02, 2020, 11:33:01 PM
Jesus, Baruch. Take a chill pill. The occasional double post is understandable, but when 95% of the thread is you replying to people, it's a bit much.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 02, 2020, 11:36:30 PM
Houston's protest today was 60 thousand strong. I fucking love Texans, we are a different breed.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZihnzbWoAAzb7h?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZiuFMdXgAoMlTZ?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZiIkTgWsAceHev?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZh7hBoWoAMlBnx?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZiILauXkAI5rHU?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZWDeFVXgAYvcR2?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZT16bNWAAEnOk6?format=jpg&name=large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZPKeciX0AAA1xm?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 02, 2020, 11:37:14 PM
Jesus, Baruch. Take a chill pill. The occasional double post is understandable, but when 95% of the thread is you replying to people, it's a bit much.

Then be an editor, of a closed (edited) publication.  Just like old time newspapers.  I am triggered.  This is better than the other kind.  I have continued the habit of placing multiple things in the same post, on a special thread, so people don't have to look unless they want to.

So far, no rioting or looting in my town.  I really don't want to carry heat, just to go down to the McDonald's drive-thru.  But if it happens, it happens.  Just don't get in my way or act in a threatening manner.  I am not trained to restrained response.  If my women are threatened, there is no restraint at all.

@Shiranu ... didn't know that rioters had their own cavalry ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 02, 2020, 11:45:57 PM
Police Chief Art Acevedo seems like a good, rational guy. I've seen him on TV multiple times, and he always struck me as a man of integrity and honesty.

...Also apparently not a big fan of how Trump has been handling things.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/06/01/amanpour-houston-art-acevedo-george-floyd.cnn
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 12:09:43 AM
Police Chief Art Acevedo seems like a good, rational guy. I've seen him on TV multiple times, and he always struck me as a man of integrity and honesty.

...Also apparently not a big fan of how Trump has been handling things.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/06/01/amanpour-houston-art-acevedo-george-floyd.cnn

Good.  Have DNC make him your candidate, not that pedophile ...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 12:18:37 AM
Good.  Have DNC make him your candidate, not that pedophile ...

Believe me, I was less than enthused when I realized Biden was going to be the man running against Trump. He was far from my first choice. But when it comes to him or Trump, I'm voting Biden. Yeah, I know, there are third party choices too. But let's be real. They all suck.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 01:33:44 AM
There was a news piece about a police chef telling Trump to keep his his mouth shut if he can't be constructive. He is not this one joining the protests, is he?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 03, 2020, 01:59:25 AM
Rioters lost interest in my town today, so that's a plus.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 02:56:05 AM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 03:29:03 AM
I'd like to make a correction on that^.

"IT IS BAD THAT PROPERTY BEING DESTROYED, BUT THE POLICE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE ON THE SPOT HAS TO BE STOPPED."

This is not about innocence. Or one black man. This is about the police, whose job is to serve and protect everyone, killing a specific group in a society in countless trivial altercations because of their skin colour.

Properties have insurance. Those people will be able to build them back. They'll even forget about it in time. Of course, it is very bad, why would anyone need this to be reminded or feel the need to remind?

You know what is HORRIBLE? Losing your life is horrible. A loved one murdered by the armed authority somewhere on the spot because of their skin colour is horrible. Knowing they won't get a murder sentence for what they've done is horrible. Living your life in fear, wondering if, or when this could happen to you too is horrible. None of these things being a sort of damage you can fix, get back or get away and forget all your life is horrible. That's HORRIBLE. Not property damage.

In these killings, there is judging and punishment given by the police on the spot. They're very similar to the lynchings back in history.   
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 03:36:48 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

This has nothing to do with innocence. Look at this. This is the killing of one black woman, after there was 'no-knock' warrant given to search her apartment. It's a drug case. This is happening on suspicion of two men using her apartment to sell drugs. Does this look like a normal police conduct to you?

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What happened in Louisville?
Shortly after midnight on March 13, Louisville police, executing a search warrant, used a battering ram to crash into the apartment of Breonna Taylor, a 26-year-old African-American emergency room technician. After a brief confrontation, they fired several shots, striking her at least eight times.

According to The Louisville Courier Journal, the police were investigating two men who they believed were selling drugs out of a house that was far from Ms. Taylor%u2019s home. But a judge had also signed a warrant allowing the police to search Ms. Taylor%u2019s residence because the police said they believed that one of the two men had used her apartment to receive packages. The judge%u2019s order was a so-called %u201Cno-knock%u201D warrant, which allowed the police to enter without warning or without identifying themselves as law enforcement.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 03, 2020, 05:28:38 AM
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I can't tell if your being sarcastic or your serious.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 03, 2020, 05:47:51 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zP0uoOjOr5Y

Been subscribed to rappa for awhile now. Video shows at the start an elderly African American woman, who's business and lively hood was destroyed by the riots.

There's bound to be dozens more of African American people who's homes and lives have been ruined by this.

You still think this is about black people being oppressed? If a group of white people destroyed this woman's business, it would be all over the news as racists attacking a black business owner. But because it's this by rioters that spawned from these protests, it gets ignored. Almost as if people supporting the protests might think 'sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the greater good'

Try looking at what's going on in a different way, this is no longer a single issue.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 03, 2020, 07:12:32 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8e1ld1uGpXA

If your still supporting what's happening, then your ignoring the people having they're lives destroyed by this.

Moment theres an online donation page to help these people who lost livelihood because of these riots, I suggest you donate to that.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 08:08:33 AM
Almost as if people supporting the protests might think 'sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the greater good'

Everything happened in human history so far points to yes. That's why you, as an individual, have a normal; standard life. That's why there is something called the modern state; the law; standards; modern society. Forget the damage property. Do you have any idea how many people have died horrible deaths so people can live with basic standards, have basic freedoms in Western Civilisation? Of course you don't. Because you don't understand the price of 'civilisation', how delicate it actually is, that it is not something concrete but needs constantly to be fought and managed for, how hard it was earned; specifically the Western civilisation which Westerners has been so joyfully shitting on in the last 15 years or so. Talk about clueless. Talk about dumb. That's why 'civilisation' is defined as an illusion or monster at countless times. It's the hardest thing to build, it is very easily destroyed in no time and it eats human life to grow.

I sincerely have no idea, how somebody can feel this selfish and self-entitled to a degree to see damage property only in this picture and bitch about it constantly without a tiny bit of awareness. But then you always sound to me like you are trying to please someone with what you advocate for. Not giving an opinion.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 08:17:59 AM
Believe me, I was less than enthused when I realized Biden was going to be the man running against Trump. He was far from my first choice. But when it comes to him or Trump, I'm voting Biden. Yeah, I know, there are third party choices too. But let's be real. They all suck.

No, the DNC and the RNC suck.  That is why the candidates suck.  You are being led to the slaughter by evil people.  Just blaming voters is what the predators want you to think.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 08:19:29 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/article/breonna-taylor-police.html

This has nothing to do with innocence. Look at this. This is the killing of one black woman, after there was 'no-knock' warrant given to search her apartment. It's a drug case. This is happening on suspicion of two men using her apartment to sell drugs. Does this look like a normal police conduct to you?

This is normal in America.  They even raid the wrong house, and kill the wrong people ;-(  Hope your police aren't such crap.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 08:21:59 AM
Everything happened in human history so far points to yes. That's why you, as an individual, have a normal; standard life. That's why there is something called the modern state; the law; standards; modern society. Forget the damage property. Do you have any idea how many people have died horrible deaths so people can live with basic standards, have basic freedoms in Western Civilisation? Of course you don't. Because you don't understand the price of 'civilisation', how delicate it actually is, that it is not something concrete but needs constantly to be fought and managed for, how hard it was earned; specifically the Western civilisation which Westerners has been so joyfully shitting on in the last 15 years or so. Talk about clueless. Talk about dumb. That's why 'civilisation' is defined as an illusion or monster at countless times. It's the hardest thing to build, it is very easily destroyed in no time and it eats human life to grow.

I sincerely have no idea, how somebody can feel this selfish and self-entitled to a degree to see damage property only in this picture and bitch about it constantly without a tiny bit of awareness. But then you always sound to me like you are trying to please someone with what you advocate for. Not giving an opinion.

Humans are trash.  Property can be resold.  Unless we resort to slavery, then people are incredibly valuable ;-)

There are no human rights, no civil rights.  Just criminals and barbarians.  Who are to lazy to engage in crime every day, just sometimes.

To a communist, property is theft.  They all think like victimized Native Americans, all Rousseau all the time.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 09:44:46 AM
There was a news piece about a police chef telling Trump to keep his his mouth shut if he can't be constructive. He is not this one joining the protests, is he?

He is that guy. And I'm glad Houston has a police chief who knows it is the policeman's job to serve the people, not to rule over them. From what I've seen, his kind is rare.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 10:00:38 AM
I can't tell if your being sarcastic or your serious.

People > property. There are people out there who claim that the rioting discredits the entire movement. Funny how the murder of black people doesn't discredit the entire police force, but the looters get to represent the whole of the BLM movement. These people whine incessantly about the riots, but they don't give AF about the countless innocent protesters, press, medical personnel, and innocent bystanders who are being harmed by the police.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2020, 10:01:13 AM
(https://preview.redd.it/6japf8iu3j251.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=ed05382f87310ead436ea212fcffb5d94e3bbc36)
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/looters-swipe-2-4m-worth-of-watches-from-soho-rolex-store/

Schrodinger's looters.  Not all is as it appears.  Beware your sources, especially this one.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 10:07:12 AM
He is that guy. And I'm glad Houston has a police chief who knows it is the policeman's job to serve the people, not to rule over them. From what I've seen, his kind is rare.

Yeah. I like him. He gives hope.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 03, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
I cannot name them, but I have seen articles and stories about police all across the nation taking a knee with the protesters--or hugging the protesters, and I've heard of several police chiefs doing the same.  I saw one police chief linked arm and arm with protesters standing in front of his own officers.  There is hope.  But we have to have leadership to make it make any difference in the long run. 

BTW, everybody, check out what George Will has to say about Trump!  He is an older conservative who backed up Bush, for example--most vocal about his conservationism and an avid writer.  He says that not only does trump need to go, but any and all Repubs who supported him!  I really was shocked to see that. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 11:16:55 AM
People > property. There are people out there who claim that the rioting discredits the entire movement. Funny how the murder of black people doesn't discredit the entire police force, but the looters get to represent the whole of the BLM movement. These people whine incessantly about the riots, but they don't give AF about the countless innocent protesters, press, medical personnel, and innocent bystanders who are being harmed by the police.

Yes, the police are evil.  White people are evil.  They are totally discredited, because George Washington kept slaves.  We need anarchy now! (AntiFa sarc).

Do rioters/looters represent BLM?  Who is claiming that?  There are infiltrators in movements (usually FBI).  In a rioting crowd, it is hard to tell who is who.

I do rhetoric that Hillary etc represents the Democrat Party.  But that is because she et al actually control the DNC.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 11:17:46 AM
Yeah. I like him. He gives hope.

There are a few good people ... something is wrong with them ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 11:19:44 AM
I cannot name them, but I have seen articles and stories about police all across the nation taking a knee with the protesters--or hugging the protesters, and I've heard of several police chiefs doing the same.  I saw one police chief linked arm and arm with protesters standing in front of his own officers.  There is hope.  But we have to have leadership to make it make any difference in the long run. 

BTW, everybody, check out what George Will has to say about Trump!  He is an older conservative who backed up Bush, for example--most vocal about his conservationism and an avid writer.  He says that not only does trump need to go, but any and all Repubs who supported him!  I really was shocked to see that.

There are never-trumper Repubs.  This isn't news.  These were the people who want to go to nuclear war with Syria/Russia.  A police chief who is Democrat?  I am not surprised that they support criminals and don't support Trump or any other authority outside of their Identity Politics.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 11:25:28 AM
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If your still supporting what's happening, then your ignoring the people having they're lives destroyed by this.

So you believe all cops are murderers?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 11:30:04 AM
So you believe all cops are murderers?

To Munch? 

All humans are evil, in uniform or not.  But there is more than one way to be evil.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 12:10:41 PM
So you believe all cops are murderers?

LOLOL
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 03, 2020, 12:30:37 PM
An old school chum of mine in Chicago related to me this item he watched on the evening news last night:

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Chicago police caught and arrested a looter in a strip mall on south Pulaski Road who was carrying stolen beauty supply items.  He was 41 years old and was from Lafayette, Indiana.  Police found a pistol with an extended magazine tucked in his pants belt.  So he was charged with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon.  When questioned as to why he had the gun, the looter responded with "you think I'm going to come to Chicago and do all this shit and not have my gun on me?"
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2020, 12:46:26 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/thomas-mcclay-denver-police-officer-fired-lets-start-a-riot-instagram-post-george-floyd-protest/

Wish these decisions could all be so swift.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mermaid on June 03, 2020, 12:59:09 PM

even when obama was in office, there was still white/black tension in america, lets not pretend it went away just because he was in office for two terms.


Who is pretending there was no racial tension when Obama was in office?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
One thing I don't understand. How do these poeple think they could get away with social media posts like this? I thought the same thing about that Amy Cooper. Those cops killing Floyd. So many examples.

Even under normal circumstances the social media, news sites, magazines sites...everywhere is full of people recorded or busted doing something illegal or dumb. Everywhere is full of cameras. How on earth these people think they can get away with this? 

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 01:11:23 PM
Who is pretending there was no racial tension when Obama was in office?

He is living in a world where one hand wearing white glove, the other black. The black gloved hand has no voice and it just keeps attacking the white gloved one which keeps saying 'oh, no! Stop it, oh no!'.

   
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 01:14:40 PM
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One thing I don't understand. How do these poeple think they could get away with social media posts like this?

Because most of the time they do. For every Floyd, there are probably 10, 20, 30 unnamed African Americans (and other groups too, including whites, just not as disproportionately) who are murdered and the police walk off scott free... sometimes even with video evidence that isn't "quite" conclusive enough to 100% declare them murderers.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 01:15:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z56j06plUgs
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 01:31:59 PM
Who is pretending there was no racial tension when Obama was in office?

Which racial tension?  There were several police brutality cases, which unfortunately were White on Black.  It is better that only African-American police go into those places perhaps.  Then there is only the accusation of Uncle Tomism.  This is an argument for segregation?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 01:34:38 PM
He is living in a world where one hand wearing white glove, the other black. The black gloved hand has no voice and it just keeps attacking the white gloved one which keeps saying 'oh, no! Stop it, oh no!'.

   

Multiracialism is real, borders or no borders.  You can choose your favorite tribe same as soccer club.  Socially this is no different than soccer hooliganism.  At least the soccer teams don't bring "heat" to the playing field.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 01:43:09 PM
Because most of the time they do. For every Floyd, there are probably 10, 20, 30 unnamed African Americans (and other groups too, including whites, just not as disproportionately) who are murdered and the police walk off scott free... sometimes even with video evidence that isn't "quite" conclusive enough to 100% declare them murderers.

Some actual statistics ...

https://www.statista.com/chart/21872/map-of-police-violence-against-black-americans/

It is a matter of framing.  If African-Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be subject to police violence, when they are 12.6% of the US population.  Whites are 72.4% of the US population.  So given the math 72.4/(12.6*2.5)=2.3 times as many Whites are also subject to police violence.  Of course this might explain why so many of the rioters/looters are White.  More actual statistics ...

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

African-American males are 52.6% of murderers, while only being 12.6/2 = 6.3% of the population.  Of course the answer is sociology ...

If we were just like Red China or the Soviet Union, this wouldn't be happening ;-))

If you are a cop, and you are dealing with an African-American male, you are much more likely to encounter a violent perpetrator than a White grandmother.

My Ex got into supporting the local police department once, and rode with a cop on patrol.  When the cop stopped another driver, the terror for the cop was quite real, not knowing if the stop would end in gunfire.  Definitely not a job I want.  I would shoot first and ask questions later ;-(  We could avoid this incendiary situation by not having police.  Then mobs can go around robbing and murdering at will, with nothing to fear except a "vigilance committee" or armed homeowners.  Criminals would prefer that, particularly if there were no "vigilance committees" or armed homeowners.  Misguided idealists and their politicians are more dangerous to society than a whole prison full of perps.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z56j06plUgs

"Is that your Bible?"

"It's a Bible."

Trump can't even pretend to care about this unopened Bible he poses with.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 02:30:29 PM
Because most of the time they do. For every Floyd, there are probably 10, 20, 30 unnamed African Americans (and other groups too, including whites, just not as disproportionately) who are murdered and the police walk off scott free... sometimes even with video evidence that isn't "quite" conclusive enough to 100% declare them murderers.

OK. Those are cops. So basically they rely on the systematic, institutional racism. What about civillians? Is it just me, don't you think there must be something about this that we don't see. Is it that simple? They just think it is not going to happen to them?

I have watched the whole video. First of all, he can still make that video and say those things, and he will continue to do it after these events end. The beginning of the end starts when people cannot say those things because of fear which sounds impossible to Americans right now. (It did to us 15 years ago in our scale.) The thing is, this doesn't happen in 1 year or in 5 year or even in 10. He doesn't have that. You don't get how long it takes, just one morning you wake up and find yourself in a world you thought wouldn't happen, something you wouldn't even take it seriously if someone told you years ago. So don't worry. It will be OK.

Not informing Metropolitan police or expeling priests from his church ground is pretty dumb even for him. That's Washington DC not some place with traditional system, if he keeps the police out without even informing them and rely on bringing in the other forces, that usually means he is likely to make this a habit.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 02:32:12 PM
"Is that your Bible?"

"It's a Bible."

Trump can't even pretend to care about this unopened Bible he poses with.

Forget pretending. He doesn't know how to hold a book in his hand. Yeah those hardcover Bibles are heavy, but what's he doing with it? Ouch.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 04:44:31 PM
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OK. Those are cops. So basically they rely on the systematic, institutional racism. What about civillians? Is it just me, don't you think there must be something about this that we don't see. Is it that simple? They just think it is not going to happen to them?

Same thing. Cops aren't special, they just have more power to abuse systematic and institutional racism.

Racism is so casual and institutional here that the overwhelming majority don't even realise when their actions are racist, and while Cooper's situation was exceptionally aware of the privilege she had vs the disadvantage the African American man had, I genuinely don't think it crossed her mind that her actions were racist.

Casual racism, at least here in the South (and I don't believe the North is really any better, they just know how to hide it or pretend it doesn't exist) is something that often easily finds it's way in even every-day small talk. It's in our media 24/7 in how African Americans are portrayed in media, both through their under-representation and then many of their characters been shown as caricatures and stereotypes rather than beings with agency and stories to tell. It's in how African American art is presented to white America; we are only exposed to things like "gangster" music (pushed by white label companies) while African American musicians who have stories to tell of their personal experiences, of love, hope, struggle, despair, of the African American experience or the simple human experience are almost never promoted or shared within our community. This one is particularly personal to me as a musician, especially since so much of the music I consume and compose owes it's very existence to the African American musical tradition.

We are only ever shown the worse of the African American community... so for those who never are exposed to the wider range of their art, who never talk with and interact with African Americans don't understand what it means to be an African American and more importantly only view them as a stereotype rather than just human beings with stories and souls just like our own.

When you view people in that way, you don't realise that entire mindset is racist... and so when you say or do something racist, you don't even realise it's wrong. It's (generally) not something meant to be mean, it's just something you are genuinely ignorant about and don't realise you are doing. You don't fear what you are completely oblivious to.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 03, 2020, 05:25:53 PM
When considering that there is a virus still floating around out there, one that can kill people be they vulnerable be they elderly, and the thousands of people who have already died of this disease, on top of all that, the lockdown that has separated families and continue to keep families separated, even when people who have the disease are dying in hospitals and their families can't go to visit them, that fact these mass protests and riots ignore all this, forget all the hard work medical health services have done and the sacrifices they made to try and get everything back to normal.

But who cares about that, gotta start a riot, who gives a fuck if people are dying from this thing, let's come out and protest, even in countries where the reason for the protests didn't happen.

Would be such a shame if they all died to Corona.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2020, 05:30:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pu89bU6.png)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualified_immunity
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 06:04:15 PM
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... that fact these mass protests and riots ignore all this, forget all the hard work medical health services have done and the sacrifices they made to try and get everything back to normal.

But who cares about that, gotta start a riot, who gives a fuck if people are dying from this thing, let's come out and protest, even in countries where the reason for the protests didn't happen.

They don't ignore all that, that's just how fucking bad it is here. People are aware of these things, and they STILL go out in protest because even during the middle of a pandemic African Americans are murdered like stray dogs in the street by the people that are suppose to protect them.

Jesus christ dude.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 03, 2020, 06:12:49 PM
They don't ignore all that, that's just how fucking bad it is here. People are aware of these things, and they STILL go out in protest because even during the middle of a pandemic African Americans are murdered like stray dogs in the street by the people that are suppose to protect them.

Jesus christ dude.

"That's how bad it is here" good, the excuses start fresh.

And how many more african Americans will die to this disease because protestors thought this was more important then containing a virus?

What's even more hilarious then this hypocrisy, the countries having these protests other then america, which have very very few deaths of black people compared to america by police, these protests in those countries will kill more black people with spreading this disease then any cop in them ever did.

Holy fucking Cthulhu dude.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 06:21:11 PM
They don't ignore all that, that's just how fucking bad it is here. People are aware of these things, and they STILL go out in protest because even during the middle of a pandemic African Americans are murdered like stray dogs in the street by the people that are suppose to protect them.

Jesus christ dude.

White people are bullet proof and immortal.  No wonder we are special ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 06:23:41 PM
"That's how bad it is here" good, the excuses start fresh.

And how many more african Americans will die to this disease because protestors thought this was more important then containing a virus?

What's even more hilarious then this hypocrisy, the countries having these protests other then america, which have very very few deaths of black people compared to america by police, these protests in those countries will kill more black people with spreading this disease then any cop in them ever did.

Holy fucking Cthulhu dude.

Non-Americans hate Americans.  We should have fed the Entente to the Central Powers.  Fed the Allies to the Axis.  Fed the non-Communist countries to the Communists.  I wouldn't care for a single American dog, to die for the freedom of any foreigner (not that was the real reason anyway).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 03, 2020, 06:40:04 PM
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"That's how bad it is here" good, the excuses start fresh.

You are a piece of shit.

The fact that you think state sanctioned execution of African Americans is some "excuse" for your imaginary left-boogieman...

You have not ONCE indicated even the remotest of understanding of American culture, and yet you always want to bust in here and tell us that you know more about America than actual Americans do. It's annoying as fuck on a good day, but when it comes to a topic like this it's down right pathetic and shows an absolute lack of any moral character.

Edit: And before you say it, yes I did use to make comments about European affairs, but you will notice it's been a few years since I have because I realised it's annoying as fuck, and when I do I do my best to do as much research on it as possible.

Just know those conservatives you are always sucking up to will one day turn on you, and it won't be pretty. I just hope Scotland has better safeguards in place to avoid radicals taking over than we do.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 06:46:43 PM
When considering that there is a virus still floating around out there, one that can kill people be they vulnerable be they elderly, and the thousands of people who have already died of this disease, on top of all that, the lockdown that has separated families and continue to keep families separated, even when people who have the disease are dying in hospitals and their families can't go to visit them, that fact these mass protests and riots ignore all this, forget all the hard work medical health services have done and the sacrifices they made to try and get everything back to normal.

But who cares about that, gotta start a riot, who gives a fuck if people are dying from this thing, let's come out and protest, even in countries where the reason for the protests didn't happen.

Would be such a shame if they all died to Corona.

BINGO!!!

(https://i.postimg.cc/NfjcTDMj/Conservative-BINGO-card.png)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 06:48:11 PM
Munch, tone down your bullshit. People are under serious stress and fear for their future. Nobody has to put up with your masturbation.

 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mermaid on June 03, 2020, 07:03:36 PM
Munch, tone down your bullshit. People are under serious stress and fear for their future. Nobody has to put up with your masturbation.

 
Especially because he doesn't even fucking live here.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 03, 2020, 07:11:50 PM
"That's how bad it is here" good, the excuses start fresh.

And how many more african Americans will die to this disease because protestors thought this was more important then containing a virus?

What's even more hilarious then this hypocrisy, the countries having these protests other then america, which have very very few deaths of black people compared to america by police, these protests in those countries will kill more black people with spreading this disease then any cop in them ever did.

Holy fucking Cthulhu dude.
I think I will rename you Shallow Hal.  You just don't get it, do you.  Blacks are ALREADY  succumbing to the virus at 2 to 3 times the rate as whites.  No matter how bad the virus will get, it will pass.  From the inception of this country, racism has not passed and it appears it will not pass without a fight.  White christianity has put a white, patriarchal, authoritarian stamp on this society.  It will take huge efforts to reverse those trends.   I am NOT for destruction of private property.  Destroying a Target or Walmart will not accomplish anything.  But by showing up in numbers and defying trump cerfews or calls for military action, will.  Confronting the police, where they need to be confronted will gain attention, as well.  Something has to be done.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 07:13:19 PM
even in countries where the reason for the protests didn't happen.

The protests aren't about Floyd. He was just the catalyst. The problem is systemic racism, especially in the justice system, which is not unique to America. I don't know what it's like where you are, and I don't presume to understand countries I've never lived in (*clears throat*), but racism is pretty universal. Maybe it's worse here in the supposed "melting pot," but I can't say.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2020, 07:24:28 PM
When considering that there is a virus still floating around out there, one that can kill people be they vulnerable be they elderly, and the thousands of people who have already died of this disease, on top of all that, the lockdown that has separated families and continue to keep families separated, even when people who have the disease are dying in hospitals and their families can't go to visit them, that fact these mass protests and riots ignore all this, forget all the hard work medical health services have done and the sacrifices they made to try and get everything back to normal.

But who cares about that, gotta start a riot, who gives a fuck if people are dying from this thing, let's come out and protest, even in countries where the reason for the protests didn't happen.

Would be such a shame if they all died to Corona.
Quick question (mostly to gauge your level of awareness): why do you think the people at the protests are wearing masks?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 03, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
The UK is a far more racist country than the US. Generally all Europe is. And in my opinion, they 'know' that perfectly well. LOL
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 08:04:09 PM
You are a piece of shit.

The fact that you think state sanctioned execution of African Americans is some "excuse" for your imaginary left-boogieman...

You have not ONCE indicated even the remotest of understanding of American culture, and yet you always want to bust in here and tell us that you know more about America than actual Americans do. It's annoying as fuck on a good day, but when it comes to a topic like this it's down right pathetic and shows an absolute lack of any moral character.

Edit: And before you say it, yes I did use to make comments about European affairs, but you will notice it's been a few years since I have because I realised it's annoying as fuck, and when I do I do my best to do as much research on it as possible.

Just know those conservatives you are always sucking up to will one day turn on you, and it won't be pretty. I just hope Scotland has better safeguards in place to avoid radicals taking over than we do.

I think she is post-modern.  You might need a "secret decoder ring" to follow her posts ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2020, 08:06:08 PM
I think I will rename you Shallow Hal.  You just don't get it, do you.  Blacks are ALREADY  succumbing to the virus at 2 to 3 times the rate as whites.  No matter how bad the virus will get, it will pass.  From the inception of this country, racism has not passed and it appears it will not pass without a fight.  White christianity has put a white, patriarchal, authoritarian stamp on this society.  It will take huge efforts to reverse those trends.   I am NOT for destruction of private property.  Destroying a Target or Walmart will not accomplish anything.  But by showing up in numbers and defying trump cerfews or calls for military action, will.  Confronting the police, where they need to be confronted will gain attention, as well.  Something has to be done.

"Fear is the mind killer" but didn't Americans kill their minds back in the 80s "Closing Of the American Mind".

Peaceful protest is OK, if it makes people feel better.  It is always about the "Feels".  Drinking hard liquor is sooo much easier.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 03, 2020, 08:20:32 PM
I will tell a little tale on myself.  In the late 60's my parents were stationed (Dad was a civilian attached to the Army)  in Germany.  One summer I got to visit them (I was in college) and went on a Paris trip sponsored an Army organization.  It was a 3 day trip and I shared a room with a GI.  We went to Place Pigalle to see the Folies Bergère.  Anyway, we were on the streets after 1 am, and it was filled with prostitutes.  Well, until some Black men (from Algeria, I think) were across the street simply walking along.  It was funny--it was like they were a wave--as they proceeded down the street, the prostitutes evaporated for about a half a block--and popped back out after they had passed.  Not even the prostitutes wanted anything to do with the blacks.  I was young, and I was shocked.  I learned then, that Europe was racist. 


Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 08:30:47 PM
I will tell a little tale on myself.  In the late 60's my parents were stationed (Dad was a civilian attached to the Army)  in Germany.  One summer I got to visit them (I was in college) and went on a Paris trip sponsored an Army organization.  It was a 3 day trip and I shared a room with a GI.  We went to Place Pigalle to see the Folies Bergère.  Anyway, we were on the streets after 1 am, and it was filled with prostitutes.  Well, until some Black men (from Algeria, I think) were across the street simply walking along.  It was funny--it was like they were a wave--as they proceeded down the street, the prostitutes evaporated for about a half a block--and popped back out after they had passed.  Not even the prostitutes wanted anything to do with the blacks.  I was young, and I was shocked.  I learned then, that Europe was racist.

That is hilarious. I would take a black friend through that red light district, just to see his amazing super power to make prostitutes disappear. But one of them would probably call the cops on him for suspiciously walking down the road, so better not.

BTW, to give a little credit to my mom (which I can't do often, on account of stuff I won't get into now), she was using one of those apps that connects you with people in your neighborhood. Somebody posted about a "suspicious black man" walking through the neighborhood. She, and basically everyone else's response was, "What is he doing that is suspicious?" Good for the non-racists for calling that person out, but yeesh. As of last December, my sister is married to a black man, and she told me her husband doesn't jog around his own block because he's afraid of that kinda shit happening to him.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Munch on June 03, 2020, 09:49:49 PM
You are a piece of shit.

whatever helps you sleep at night.

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The fact that you think state sanctioned execution of African Americans is some "excuse" for your imaginary left-boogieman...

Hee, no, bad context, the context is the execution of a black man is now validating the destruction of peoples livelihoods, and you seem fine with just looking the other way on that issue, even when its ruining the lives of other black people there. Stop ignoring that fucking issue already.

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You have not ONCE indicated even the remotest of understanding of American culture, and yet you always want to bust in here and tell us that you know more about America than actual Americans do. It's annoying as fuck on a good day, but when it comes to a topic like this it's down right pathetic and shows an absolute lack of any moral character.

Its really not that hard to understand, americas not shy about broadcasting its way of life around the world. And lets be honest, you have only 1 view of it, the one that matters to you, while often having the feeling of every other way of living in america can get fucked.

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Edit: And before you say it, yes I did use to make comments about European affairs, but you will notice it's been a few years since I have because I realised it's annoying as fuck, and when I do I do my best to do as much research on it as possible.

you still have your own thoughts on these things, there are no laws saying you can't talk about what you hate and love about other countries.

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Just know those conservatives you are always sucking up to will one day turn on you, and it won't be pretty. I just hope Scotland has better safeguards in place to avoid radicals taking over than we do.

I don't vote for any political party.

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I think I will rename you Shallow Hal.  You just don't get it, do you.  Blacks are ALREADY  succumbing to the virus at 2 to 3 times the rate as whites.  No matter how bad the virus will get, it will pass.  From the inception of this country, racism has not passed and it appears it will not pass without a fight.  White christianity has put a white, patriarchal, authoritarian stamp on this society.  It will take huge efforts to reverse those trends.   I am NOT for destruction of private property.  Destroying a Target or Walmart will not accomplish anything.  But by showing up in numbers and defying trump cerfews or calls for military action, will.  Confronting the police, where they need to be confronted will gain attention, as well.  Something has to be done.

Only as long as I can rename this website the Marxist capital of america.

Yes it will take huge efforts, but rioting just sets it back, and just makes it shit for the lives of people who you want to defend.

And its not trumps curfew even if he's the president, its a world wide curfew. Saying your defying his curfew makes it sound like your trying to claim these lockdowns are some dehumanizing rule he invented, when its actually a rule the world had to come around to for a virus you seem to be forgetting is still happening.

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The protests aren't about Floyd. He was just the catalyst. The problem is systemic racism, especially in the justice system, which is not unique to America. I don't know what it's like where you are, and I don't presume to understand countries I've never lived in (*clears throat*), but racism is pretty universal. Maybe it's worse here in the supposed "melting pot," but I can't say.

Yes, it is. And most people with are moral grounding wants it to end, along with any other form of bigotry. Problem we're facing in this current era is the heavy handed approach to tackling those issues, because from rioting and destroying peoples livelihoods, to dehumanizing someone else because of their race and gender, as in all forms of race and gender, just to make yourself feel better, it just holds back any real progressing your hoping for.


@Blackleaf

(https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kharmii/5560906/98074/98074_900.png)

see I can post images too.

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Munch, tone down your bullshit. People are under serious stress and fear for their future. Nobody has to put up with your masturbation.

Much as I know you think I enjoy this, I really don't, I don't like having to throwing shade at people who are just stressed and fearful of what the future holds. But if people are taking what I say out of context or making false assumptions I tend to throw shade back at the the same as its given out, its not personal mind you.

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Especially because he doesn't even fucking live here.

Hasn't stopped anyone else having their objections of other countries, including my own, but I'm not going to hold that against you.

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Quick question (mostly to gauge your level of awareness): why do you think the people at the protests are wearing masks?

better question, how many people at the protests are wearing masks?

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The UK is a far more racist country than the US. Generally all Europe is. And in my opinion, they 'know' that perfectly well. LOL

found this just for you, since your showing your national pride a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zlIUeQt5XU

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/britain-has-many-major-problems---racism-isn-t-one-of-them


there we go. did I enjoy doing this? not really. feels kinda like having to put on a face in a customer service role.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 03, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
You know it's only funny when it's true, right?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2020, 10:00:26 PM
better question, how many people at the protests are wearing masks?
Not answering is an automatic fail.  Dunno why I expected anything else.

But to answer your stupid question:

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(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/madison.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/9a/b9aba9a5-72a7-53fb-8bff-39f16285e544/5ea351c95b2db.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C828)

Some pretty glaring differences.

Btw, it hasn't escaped my notice that conservatives - suspiciously eager to tarnish these protests - have resorted to concern trolling about a virus they didn't really take seriously at first, and frequently still don't.  It's pretty transparent.  When people are protesting murder, it's time to head back inside, but when Billy Bob has gone three weeks without a haircut, it's freakout time.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 04, 2020, 05:42:32 AM
I will tell a little tale on myself.  In the late 60's my parents were stationed (Dad was a civilian attached to the Army)  in Germany.  One summer I got to visit them (I was in college) and went on a Paris trip sponsored an Army organization.  It was a 3 day trip and I shared a room with a GI.  We went to Place Pigalle to see the Folies Bergère.  Anyway, we were on the streets after 1 am, and it was filled with prostitutes.  Well, until some Black men (from Algeria, I think) were across the street simply walking along.  It was funny--it was like they were a wave--as they proceeded down the street, the prostitutes evaporated for about a half a block--and popped back out after they had passed.  Not even the prostitutes wanted anything to do with the blacks.  I was young, and I was shocked.  I learned then, that Europe was racist.

You know what, there could be another story in there. They could be a group of workers or a specific group in the region and there could be a sub story related to that. The dynamics of 1960s...

Racism is not limited to just skin colour. It's a political concept. In 1960s, when Germany took Turkish workers -men- in, I am sure similar things like that happened with Turks too. But they are not black. They're not slavic white, but they're white. I know the stereotype known in the West is that they're dark skinned people but Anatolian turks are generally not. Otherwise, it is a huge mix. Which is bullshit of course but I actually think this is one the reasons they chose Turks. Not just the relations before. And we know they examined all of them one by one at the beginning up to their teeth. Because it is obvious that these men will have children with German women, go out in public and have relationships with them. There will come generations from it.

But then in today's France, 30 something percent of foriegn marriages, a spouse is African which is the largest group in those type of marriages, the second foreign group is European. The multiracial families and couples are pretty abundant compared to Britain, Germany...etc.

Racism in Europe is different than the US. It's hidden in the class system in a weird way. Britain is very interesting. The class system is solid and nothing gets through. That doesn't seem to happen in the States. We see or know a lot of people from every corner of the world who don't just make but reputation, move up in class, become famous, even be a part of the history of the US...etc. Where are these people in Europe in all that diversity? Maybe I'm wrong, there are and I can't see it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 04, 2020, 06:57:39 AM
It seems that America was/is able to assimilate people. (This is good or bad, I am not discussing that.) Because whatever you have to say about it, it gave something back.

I didn't believe in this until my sister decided to go to the US for a PHD even though I have more than one people in my extended family who got successful and wealthy in the States. Seeing, living through is believing.

It's a very simple comparison. I wrote this before. When my sister left for her PhD and became a res. ass. they have employed a group of students. This is STEM. Not liberal arts. They're always needed. Then an economcial crisis happened. What did/do they do in the American universities? They kept people according to their merits, intelligence, abilities and performance regardless of their race, nation or country of origin and let the rest go. Noone gave a fuck if they are white American born.

What did/do they do in the most European countries? They let dem go foriegn students (paid ass.) regardless of how successful or gifted they are, because they're foriegners. Their general tendency is never to give an open door to begin with. As if they can actually provide the brain stock. LOL

Years passed. One of her papers got published internationally. They are having an international conference with those poster award events for PhDs in Dublin. When she was there, during one of those cocktails a Prof asks her a few times, 'what are you doing in the States? Why don't you come to Europe?' Yap yap yap. She snaps in the end and asks him 'What am I going to do in Europe?' Tells him that why would she choose Europe when she can go to the States where she is actually welcomed for what she can do and work without worrying about her future.

My personal experience is not different, even worse. I have been to one of the world largest aesthetic conferences -among others- when it was held in our capital in Middle East Techincal University. Hundreds of scholars, researchers from 40 countries all around the world. It was huge. Oh my god. The white European scholars and their papers and how they treat the rest. LOL There is a crucial thing about acting like a god's gift on earth, if you can't justify this with what you offer, you'll fall worse and faster than anything. Because this is not a beauty pageant.

The quality of the questions they ask to American scholars alone... The dismissive attitude. That's the word I guess. Their conduct... Why? Because Americans do not bow to European philosophers as if they were deities or approach to certain ideas and movements and schools as if they're fucking scripture, even they support them. They're not culturally conditioned to that to begin with. The traditions in those disciplines they've produced with their own do not allow that. It's not even a conscious strategy. Their repetoire was very diverse, they were very accessible, cooperating. Turkish assistants and student -I was one of them- were able to converse with proper philosophers in every subject you can think of. American scholars were doted upon and others avoided other than their 'political' allies. I have learned so much there.

So this is very simple. I'm sure a lot has changed at both sides since. For the better or worse. Probably for the worse. But you know what? The path is there for America because they have already built it before. Going back there won't be hard.

What has Europe done or doing? Other than limiting all this potential to use in politics? They are limiting as much as everyone outside Western culture to make research about how fucked up their country is. No shit. If you are a middle eastern woman you can even emigrate to Europe via this way. And the quality of these research kept going down of course. But the main fields of course for reserved for the White European Royalty. Preferably men. You wouldn't believe the sexism alone in German universities, academies, conservatoires. Do you see it from outside? Of course not. Of course, it exists in the US but in my opinion, no American academic would take that kind of bullshit without a fight. Esp. in big universites.

Sorry, it got too long...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 04, 2020, 09:21:11 AM
Over 10,000 Americans have now been arrested because the government refused to arrest 4 murderers.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html)


Edit: And on that note...

Brooklyn Jail Inmate Pepper Sprayed to Death


https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/brooklyn/brooklyn-inmate-dies-in-custody-after-being-pepper-sprayed-by-staff-doj (https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/brooklyn/brooklyn-inmate-dies-in-custody-after-being-pepper-sprayed-by-staff-doj)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 04, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
Texas State University Student in Critical Condition After Bean-Bag Round Fractures Skull and Causes Brain Damage

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200603/man-injured-by-austin-police-in-protests-is-texas-state-student-university-says
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 04, 2020, 10:54:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FE78X-qdY
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 12:06:09 PM
That is hilarious. I would take a black friend through that red light district, just to see his amazing super power to make prostitutes disappear. But one of them would probably call the cops on him for suspiciously walking down the road, so better not.

BTW, to give a little credit to my mom (which I can't do often, on account of stuff I won't get into now), she was using one of those apps that connects you with people in your neighborhood. Somebody posted about a "suspicious black man" walking through the neighborhood. She, and basically everyone else's response was, "What is he doing that is suspicious?" Good for the non-racists for calling that person out, but yeesh. As of last December, my sister is married to a black man, and she told me her husband doesn't jog around his own block because he's afraid of that kinda shit happening to him.

Your brother-in-law is based.  I have heard it isn't safe to be White in E St Louis.  Duh!  I think I would riot and loot over that, burn down White businesses (sarc).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 04, 2020, 12:06:55 PM
Apparently, there will be a gathering in front of the Trump Tower in %u0130stanbul to support American people. I have no idea how many people would show up. If it was 5-6 years ago...LOL We have passed all this, we are in a far worse place.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 12:07:16 PM
I will tell a little tale on myself.  In the late 60's my parents were stationed (Dad was a civilian attached to the Army)  in Germany.  One summer I got to visit them (I was in college) and went on a Paris trip sponsored an Army organization.  It was a 3 day trip and I shared a room with a GI.  We went to Place Pigalle to see the Folies Bergère.  Anyway, we were on the streets after 1 am, and it was filled with prostitutes.  Well, until some Black men (from Algeria, I think) were across the street simply walking along.  It was funny--it was like they were a wave--as they proceeded down the street, the prostitutes evaporated for about a half a block--and popped back out after they had passed.  Not even the prostitutes wanted anything to do with the blacks.  I was young, and I was shocked.  I learned then, that Europe was racist.

Or are the prostitutes just avoiding anyone who might be a pimp?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 12:13:43 PM
Over 10,000 Americans have now been arrested because the government refused to arrest 4 murderers.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/floyd-protests-esper-opposes-trump-threat-send-military-200603145130628.html)


Edit: And on that note...

Brooklyn Jail Inmate Pepper Sprayed to Death


https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/brooklyn/brooklyn-inmate-dies-in-custody-after-being-pepper-sprayed-by-staff-doj (https://www.pix11.com/news/local-news/brooklyn/brooklyn-inmate-dies-in-custody-after-being-pepper-sprayed-by-staff-doj)

Number of Dems = Number of arrests ;-) ... one can dream ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 12:16:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FE78X-qdY

Not silent.  Bar bouncer with a criminal record, tried to pass a counterfeit $20.  Not worth killing him over.  Bad cop (and bouncer at the same bar) and uniformed associates did what bad cops do.  Don't associate with questionable businesses.  Don't do crime.  Don't even look at a cop.  Don't volunteer to be a cop.

Rioting and looting got Nixon elected in 1968.  Keep it coming, Dems!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 12:18:53 PM
Apparently, there will be a gathering in from of the Trump Tower in İstanbul to support American people. I have no idea how many people would show up. If it was 5-6 years ago...LOL We have passed all this, we are in a far worse place.

Edit posts to make them more clear.  Of course non-Americans want to burn America down, and will help Americans burning America down.  This is why even if I could, I will never be a tourist again.  You don't need our money (or gauche-ness).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
"Pacifism: a philosophy of nonviolence, historically only practiced by those who rely on the killing and dying of others in defense of their privilege to practice that philosophy." ... Internet meme

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 04, 2020, 12:43:12 PM
Or are the prostitutes just avoiding anyone who might be a pimp?

Umm... What? Are you saying that black men look like pimps?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 12:51:07 PM
Umm... What? Are you saying that black men look like pimps?

In some cultures ... pimps typically African-looking.  I remember that time in the 70s when ... a great big white convertible Cadillac was passing me on the freeway, with lots of chrome and gold leaf, with a great big Black man driving it, wearing a big fur coat (and I bet he had lots of bling on).  This wasn't a crisis actor or a Republican muck raker.  Fact is, Italian-American Mafia prefers to use African-American men for this work.

In Europe, according to prejudice, all pimps are Jews.  And some of them actually were.  There is a Jewish Mafia.

So, you can say all those French girls are racists (in their choice of Johns), because that matches your narrative.  But in Japan, as recently profiled in Tokyo, Japanese girls won't do non-Japanese.  The Japanese pimps use non-Japanese women to do non-Japanese.  But they are very racist.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2020, 01:02:06 PM
Over 10,000 Americans have now been arrested because the government refused to arrest 4 murderers.
Well, they have now. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/george-floyd-officers-charges/index.html)  Took them a while to get to it.  And a lot of blood was unnecessarily spilled because of it.  Now, instead of just one police brutality incident to prosecute, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds to prosecute.  Chop chop!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 01:10:08 PM
Well, they have now. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/us/george-floyd-officers-charges/index.html)  Took them a while to get to it.  And a lot of blood was unnecessarily spilled because of it.  Now, instead of just one police brutality incident to prosecute, there are dozens, perhaps hundreds to prosecute.  Chop chop!

Democrats do what Democrats do (particularly Bernie Bros, who aren't real Democrats ... just controlled DNC opposition).

There is a police brutality case every week, maybe every day.  You need to riot and loot every day!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2020, 01:13:53 PM
In actually good news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDCNVbUkrrA

Turns out that if police put the batons down, there's no violence.  If you treat citizens as citizens, and not enemy combatants, things can be settled peacefully.  Weird how that works.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 04, 2020, 01:31:05 PM
William Barr’s Vast, Nameless Army Is Being Brought To Bear On D.C. Protesters
Federal law enforcement officers are operating on American streets without identification, which experts say breeds a culture of impunity.


Don't know about anybody else, but to me this is highly disturbing.  Shades of Gestapo or Russian or Chinese or North Korean secret police.  Smacks of what dictator trump would like to do on a regular basis.  And now he has his toady.  Barr even looks like Goring. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2020, 01:37:19 PM
Don't know about anybody else, but to me this is highly disturbing.  Shades of Gestapo or Russian or Chinese or North Korean secret police.  Smacks of what dictator trump would like to do on a regular basis.  And now he has his toady.  Barr even looks like Goring.
Straight out of Russia's playbook.  Little Green Men, I believe they were called.  These - whatever they are - don't have any ID so they are essentially above the law.  Highly disturbing and a direct contradiction of the rule of law.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 04, 2020, 01:38:13 PM
Edit posts to make them more clear.  Of course non-Americans want to burn America down, and will help Americans burning America down.  This is why even if I could, I will never be a tourist again.  You don't need our money (or gauche-ness).

Which part is not clear?

E: Ah that was supposed to be 'in front of'.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 04, 2020, 02:01:42 PM
This is disturbing. We are walking away from a democracy.  It didn't even take a Chinese or Russian invasion.  And it's not the liberals doing it.  This is hard core right wing shit.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 03:11:31 PM
In actually good news:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDCNVbUkrrA

Turns out that if police put the batons down, there's no violence.  If you treat citizens as citizens, and not enemy combatants, things can be settled peacefully.  Weird how that works.

Protestors aren't rioters/looters.  There is no reason to beat them.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 03:13:27 PM
William Barr’s Vast, Nameless Army Is Being Brought To Bear On D.C. Protesters
Federal law enforcement officers are operating on American streets without identification, which experts say breeds a culture of impunity.


Don't know about anybody else, but to me this is highly disturbing.  Shades of Gestapo or Russian or Chinese or North Korean secret police.  Smacks of what dictator trump would like to do on a regular basis.  And now he has his toady.  Barr even looks like Goring.

Once AntiFa is criminalized (no longer useful to the Deep State) this drags in all their funders, world-wide.  This includes many liberal organizations, including the Clintons.

I think you think you have Nazis under your bed and in your closet.  They are wearing hammer and sickle ... not swastikas.  But you can't admit you support the CCP?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 03:14:24 PM
This is disturbing. We are walking away from a democracy.  It didn't even take a Chinese or Russian invasion.  And it's not the liberals doing it.  This is hard core right wing shit.

Democracy isn't who we are.  We are a constitutional republic, repeatedly under attack by Democrats.  Yes, all criminals are KKK.  Particularly the Black ones ;-)

We were attacked, worldwide, by a Chinese bioweapon.  Yes, we aren't at war?  Been at war since 1941.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 03:16:14 PM
Straight out of Russia's playbook.  Little Green Men, I believe they were called.  These - whatever they are - don't have any ID so they are essentially above the law.  Highly disturbing and a direct contradiction of the rule of law.

Rule of Communist Law?  I don't recognize that.  There are no conspirators ... say that 1000 times and it is true ;-)

Confederates didn't think they did anything wrong.  The British traitors that founded America, didn't think they did anything wrong.

Any law ever passed by any Democratic legislature should be repealed.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 04, 2020, 04:15:49 PM
Three "Bogaloo" far-right radicals arrested in Las Vegas for attempting to incite violence. I guess this completely discredits the right-wings criticisms of the protests, and means they all complicity support police brutality and terrorism.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/anti-terrorist-unit-arrests-followers-protest-200604062308834.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3zFpFNIMe-2PXleuUEn5FCF9Y4gevcpZJm3sOo9XG_tlnRjzHt_jysdOA (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/anti-terrorist-unit-arrests-followers-protest-200604062308834.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3zFpFNIMe-2PXleuUEn5FCF9Y4gevcpZJm3sOo9XG_tlnRjzHt_jysdOA)

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 04, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
Graphic Photos (seriously... like pretty damn graphic, if you don't like blood and wounds please don't open this) of what "non-lethal" rounds do to protesters... and in almost all cases peaceful protesters, since the police aren't interested in cracking down on the rioters.

You will notice a lot of people missing eyes; this is on purpose, because the police aim for the head, even though even as children we are taught not to fucking aim bb and paintball guns towards the head and face because they can potentially cause traumatic damage to the face and skull.



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But remember, and I cannot stress this enough, businesses being looted is more important than peaceful protesters having gaping holes in their legs or missing eyes and completely discredits anything they were out there protesting against because .001% of the protesters were violent, and it doesn't matter that most of those weren't even there over Floyd in the first place or were right-wing agitators.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2020, 05:15:50 PM
Non-lethal just means that it *might* not kill you.  It's a euphemism.  It can still cause grievous bodily harm, sometimes permanent.  When they shot that reporter in the face and caused permanent blindness in one eye that was technically non-lethal force.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 05:38:14 PM
Three "Bogaloo" far-right radicals arrested in Las Vegas for attempting to incite violence. I guess this completely discredits the right-wings criticisms of the protests, and means they all complicity support police brutality and terrorism.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/anti-terrorist-unit-arrests-followers-protest-200604062308834.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3zFpFNIMe-2PXleuUEn5FCF9Y4gevcpZJm3sOo9XG_tlnRjzHt_jysdOA (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/06/anti-terrorist-unit-arrests-followers-protest-200604062308834.html?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3zFpFNIMe-2PXleuUEn5FCF9Y4gevcpZJm3sOo9XG_tlnRjzHt_jysdOA)

How many far-right groups? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_right-wing_political_parties

Quite a few world-wide.

How many far-left groups?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_left-wing_political_parties

Quite a few world-wide.

I consider the CCP to be a nuclear armed terrorist group.

What are you going to do about all that?  I am still hoping for an asteroid impact ;-)

Political people ... I don't care what happens to me, I only care about the whole planet all at once.  Seems pretty dysfunctional to me.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 04, 2020, 10:30:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1L19BBrjcI

Armed and dangerous and at large.  The police, not the man being assaulted on live tv.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 10:57:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1L19BBrjcI

Armed and dangerous and at large.  The police, not the man being assaulted on live tv.

If you don't like that, I am sure you don't approve of American assisted war crimes in Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan.  Too graphic to be shown.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 04, 2020, 11:03:38 PM
Have to wonder, if this occurred 6-8 years ago with Obama in office, and if there was a pandemic the same as today back then, would the reaction have been the same? Would tensions have been the same during that period that lead to this?
No, because Obama would have dealt with it based on advice from experts rather than making up bullshit as it suited him.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 04, 2020, 11:05:44 PM
No, because Obama would have dealt with it based on advice from experts rather than making up bullshit as it suited him.

Magic Kenyan?  I suppose Hillary is a super-woman too.  Obama would have told the police to assist the rioters and looters ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 05, 2020, 01:14:21 AM
Also in Buffalo NY, police shove elderly man to the ground (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-shows-elderly-man-hitting-his-head-on-the-ground-after-being-shoved-by-police-in-buffalo/) and he bleeds from the head.  The initial police account was that "one person was injured when he tripped and fell."  Isn't that the sort of self-serving lying that abusive husbands engage in?

The two officers were suspended without pay and an investigation in the works.  Quick response and no "two weeks paid leave" crap?  I'm surprised.  Probably not as surprised as that old man, though.  What'd be truly surprising is if events like this where someone is gravely injured with malice start getting prosecuted as if the law applied to police and citizens equally.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2020, 01:18:08 AM
Also in Buffalo NY, police shove elderly man to the ground (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-shows-elderly-man-hitting-his-head-on-the-ground-after-being-shoved-by-police-in-buffalo/) and he bleeds from the head.  The initial police account was that "one person was injured when he tripped and fell."  Isn't that the sort of self-serving lying that abusive husbands engage in?

The two officers were suspended without pay.  Quick response and no "two weeks paid leave" crap?  I'm surprised.  Probably not as surprised as that old man, though.  What'd be truly surprising is if events like this where someone is gravely injured with malice start getting prosecuted as if the law applied to police and citizens equally.

Collectivism is never wrong?  Some months ago, a Black hoodlum murdered an elderly man and woman, at the grave of their son, who were there because they always came on that date to grieve.  All Blacks are murderers, because one Black is a murderer?  Same as all Whites are racists, because one White is a racist?  If you don't judge people individually, then you should join the Kulaks in the Gulag.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 05, 2020, 12:49:35 PM
16th Street, Washington D.C. , which runs near the church where protesters and clergy were violently displaced so Trump could get a photo op at a church, has been renamed by the Mayor as "Black Lives Matter Plaza". But the mayor didn't stop with just that symbolic slap in Trump's face... she also invoked the 3rd Amendment to have the National Guard Trump brought in kicked out of their hotels and is informing them they are no longer welcome in the capital.

(For our foreign members, the 3rd Amendment states that the government cannot quarter troops in private property during times of peace, which was a really big deal for us as the English were doing exactly that with their Quartering Act, forcing Americans to pay for their lodging in inns, ale houses and homes.)


It's good to see the mayor reminding him that D.C. belongs to her and the people of the city, not him. For a city of over 700,000 who have no Congressional representation, the mayor doing stuff like this is about the most the city can do to assert it's own autonomy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZwnP7pXQAA5Vy1?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZwicl-X0AUnltb?format=jpg&name=900x900)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/05/black-lives-matter-mural-painted-near-white-house-mayors-behest/3153364001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/05/black-lives-matter-mural-painted-near-white-house-mayors-behest/3153364001/)

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/06/05/utah-national-guard/ (https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/06/05/utah-national-guard/)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2020, 01:14:44 PM
We also need Karl Marx Blvd, Lenin Ave ... etc.  MLK Ave was OK, since he was pacifist.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 05, 2020, 01:18:49 PM
Bad cops spread their misconduct like a disease (https://theintercept.com/2018/08/16/chicago-police-misconduct-social-network/)

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Because high-complaint officers attract like-minded colleagues,  they tend to be surrounded within the network by others like them.

Officers prone to misconduct do more than draw in others like them. The data shows that they also may be teaching their colleagues bad habits.

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The officers who had been exposed to the contagious, misconduct-prone cops at the center of complaint networks went on to show complaint rates nine times higher over the next ten years than those who hadn’t.

Their behavior often escalates beyond complaints to more serious violence. The same cops who are exposed to other high complaint officers go on to be listed on four times as many uses of force per year in the next few years. They also commit shootings at rates more than five times higher than their colleagues who weren’t exposed to misbehaving officers.

Good cops need to social distance from bad cops.  If you see something, say something.  And if you see a strangulation in process, do something (https://fox6now.com/2020/06/01/seattle-cop-removes-fellow-officers-knee-from-neck-of-man-detained-during-riots-video-shows/).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 05, 2020, 01:33:28 PM
she also invoked the 3rd Amendment to have the National Guard Trump brought in kicked out of their hotels and is informing them they are no longer welcome in the capital.
Heard about that.  I also saw Sen Mike Lee throw a infantile tantrum about it on twitter, apparently convinced that it's a sign of "ingratitude" to send away armed soldiers quartered in the hotel in clear violation of the constitution.  You'll never guess his political affiliation.  He's described as leaning "libertarian", too.  They must've meant authoritarian.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 05, 2020, 01:47:00 PM
:)

16th Street, Washington D.C. , which runs near the church where protesters and clergy were violently displaced so Trump could get a photo op at a church, has been renamed by the Mayor as "Black Lives Matter Plaza". But the mayor didn't stop with just that symbolic slap in Trump's face... she also invoked the 3rd Amendment to have the National Guard Trump brought in kicked out of their hotels and is informing them they are no longer welcome in the capital.

(For our foreign members, the 3rd Amendment states that the government cannot quarter troops in private property during times of peace, which was a really big deal for us as the English were doing exactly that with their Quartering Act, forcing Americans to pay for their lodging in inns, ale houses and homes.)


It's good to see the mayor reminding him that D.C. belongs to her and the people of the city, not him. For a city of over 700,000 who have no Congressional representation, the mayor doing stuff like this is about the most the city can do to assert it's own autonomy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZwnP7pXQAA5Vy1?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZwicl-X0AUnltb?format=jpg&name=900x900)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/05/black-lives-matter-mural-painted-near-white-house-mayors-behest/3153364001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/05/black-lives-matter-mural-painted-near-white-house-mayors-behest/3153364001/)

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/06/05/utah-national-guard/ (https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/06/05/utah-national-guard/)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 05, 2020, 06:38:42 PM
From 2016, this video shows the murder of Daniel Shaver (white male) at the hands of an officer. A "concerned citizen" called the police after they saw him with an assault rifle in a hotel room (he was pest control, and it was a tool to hunt rats... not a rifle). The footage starts with Shaver on the floor and complying with police, answering questions. This goes on for several minutes before they demand he crawl towards them, issuing multiple confusing instructions and threatening every time that one wrong move and they will kill him.

He begins crawling to them like a fucking dog, crying for his life, before they open fire on him 5 times.

Brailsford, the officer who shot Shaver 5 times, was accused of second degree manslaughter but was found "not guilty" because it was in "self-defense". Just hours after the case was closed, the video was released of the shooting, showing that he had murdered Shaver in cold blood.

Brailsford was later reinstated into the police force and then "medically discharged" because of PTSD following the incident. It wasn't until 2019 that it was discovered he receives $2,500 a month from the state.

He murdered a man, got PTSD, and the state pays him for it.

This was the gun he used to execute Shaver.


(https://imagez.tmz.com/image/ff/o/2017/12/08/ff8d5dd5ce8a5a2d9ed088647431fad1_md.jpg)


https://www.tmz.com/2017/12/07/mesa-police-involved-shooting-bodycam-philip-brailsford-not-guilty-daniel-shaver/ (https://www.tmz.com/2017/12/07/mesa-police-involved-shooting-bodycam-philip-brailsford-not-guilty-daniel-shaver/)

"It'S nOt ThAt BaD oVeR tHeRe, ThEsE pRoTeStS aRe JuSt A bUnCh Of WhiNeY lEfTiStS" - Scottish guy who thinks he knows America better than actual Americans do, even though he likely has never even been here much less interacted with an American police officer.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2020, 06:56:15 PM
Yep, police are armed and dangerous.  People calling in suspicious activity, innocently (the guy who caught George Floyd with a counterfeit $20 says he will never do that again) or with malice (it has been a fad to call in the swat team on your neighbor just to take vengeance) which results in police over-reaction and possible death.

"Entire Buffalo Police Unit Resigns In Solidarity With Officers Suspended For Shoving Elderly Protester" ... they protect their own, not you.  It appears the police were triggered because a presume protestor was trying to hand them back a fallen police helmet ;-(.  Have nothing to do with police if you can avoid it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 05, 2020, 07:29:26 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3ZXOU1X.png)(https://imgur.com/a/skjnCx5)


The President of the United States threatening to call either the military or his "Little Green Men"  on the Mayor of an American city for... *checks notes*... enacting her constitutional rights.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 05, 2020, 07:55:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMif3nYMfgM

JFC.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 05, 2020, 09:46:15 PM
Also in Buffalo NY, police shove elderly man to the ground (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-shows-elderly-man-hitting-his-head-on-the-ground-after-being-shoved-by-police-in-buffalo/) and he bleeds from the head.  The initial police account was that "one person was injured when he tripped and fell."  Isn't that the sort of self-serving lying that abusive husbands engage in?

The two officers were suspended without pay and an investigation in the works.  Quick response and no "two weeks paid leave" crap?  I'm surprised.  Probably not as surprised as that old man, though.  What'd be truly surprising is if events like this where someone is gravely injured with malice start getting prosecuted as if the law applied to police and citizens equally.
I heard that 57 of the other cops resigned to protest the suspension of the 2.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 05, 2020, 09:52:28 PM
Now cops are saying ''Badges? We don't got no badges. We don't need no stinking badges!''
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 05, 2020, 10:02:07 PM
Police raid gay bar for providing water to protestors (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/06/iowa-police-raid-gay-bar-providing-first-aid-supplies-protestors/) (is that a crime?)

Not to be confused with a similar raid (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/06/police-opened-fire-gay-bar-owner-handing-water-protestors/) a few days ago in Raleigh NC.  That one involved firing "less lethal" (aka borderline-lethal) rounds at civilians, including medics, which is weird because their handbook on the use of force doesn't allow lethal or "less lethal" use of force unless there is an immediate risk of death or serious injury.  Apparently, you can just do whatever you want if you have a badge.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
Now cops are saying ''Badges? We don't got no badges. We don't need no stinking badges!''

I wouldn't mess with one, in uniform or undercover.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 05, 2020, 10:10:31 PM
I heard that 57 of the other cops resigned to protest the suspension of the 2.
They didn't resign from the police force.  They resigned from the "Emergency Response Team" (aka Team Elder Abuse)

https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/05/57-members-of-buffalo-police-riot-response-team-resign/

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The union representing Buffalo police officers told its rank-and-file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests. The union is upset with the treatment of the two officers who were suspended.
Sounds good, doesn't it?  Just wait for the punchline.

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Evans said the PBA stands "behind those officers 100%" and that the union would pay for any defense costs for the two officers, Evans said.
Lessons NOT learned.

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"Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square," Evans said. "It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards."
"She tripped and fell down some stairs.  Right, hon?"

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Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz said Friday afternoon that "if they've resigned, I'm exceptionally disappointed by it because it indicates to me that they did not see anything wrong with the actions that occurred that night."
Yeah, very disappointing.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2020, 10:12:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3ZXOU1X.png)(https://imgur.com/a/skjnCx5)


The President of the United States threatening to call either the military or his "Little Green Men"  on the Mayor of an American city for... *checks notes*... enacting her constitutional rights.

Which is why, as long as a single Democrat exists, I won't support democracy.  I don't support criminal behavior.  I don't experience that only White people commit crimes.  Most crimes for Blacks are Black on Black.  Black lives don't matter to Blacks.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2020, 10:12:41 PM
I heard that 57 of the other cops resigned to protest the suspension of the 2.

Supposed to be true (Buffalo NY).  Because cops support cops, but not the mayor.  Dem mayors are communists, who want to destroy all places of business?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2020, 10:14:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMif3nYMfgM

JFC.

Over-reaction to his approaching them (he was bringing them a police helmet).  In our security training at my old job, we were told in an active shooter situation, to lock down, and never approach the MPs who are arriving, because they can't tell you from an active shooter.  If you do encounter the MPs, don't move at all.  Your movement is the trigger for their violence.

"The Cultural Revolution has come to America" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXAOTjNheVg

American revolutionaries unite!  You have only to lose your stupid life at the end of a police action.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 06, 2020, 01:25:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbHGAu9Kn_c
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 06, 2020, 01:29:49 AM
Esper disarms national guard, sends them home (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/pentagon-disarms-guardsmen-in-washington-dc-in-signal-of-de-escalation/2020/06/05/324da91a-a733-11ea-8681-7d471bf20207_story.html?outputType=amp)

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Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper made the decision to disarm the guard without consulting the White House, after President Trump ordered a militarized show of force on the streets of Washington
Twitter tantrum in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 06, 2020, 02:30:12 AM
"Zondervan Releases Hollow Bible For Political Photo Ops"

(https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-6312-1.jpg)

https://babylonbee.com/news/zondervan-releases-hollow-bible-for-political-photo-ops?utm_content=bufferef1ac&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR1syOJ8cR0HXXhcGi5Y2UyfB1uBSSURbJT1TWcsCi8JX8rRy50mQNXcuUQ

(Yes, it's satire.)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 06, 2020, 09:27:25 AM
(Yes, it's satire.)
Too bad.  I wan't one for my book shelves.  It's not like I need to hide a gun or drugs.  I just think it's cool.  I would put a little note inside so whoever opened it would see my note that says, "Fuck You."
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 06, 2020, 10:11:58 AM
"Zondervan Releases Hollow Bible For Political Photo Ops"

(Yes, it's satire.)
Satire?  Bummer.  That was the first actually useful looking bible I've ever seen -- I mean, you could store things in it and not just waste bookshelf space!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 06, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
Memorial service for George Floyd today in Raeford, North Carolina - where he was born.  NC state flag at half mast.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2020, 12:31:52 PM
"Zondervan Releases Hollow Bible For Political Photo Ops"

(https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-6312-1.jpg)

https://babylonbee.com/news/zondervan-releases-hollow-bible-for-political-photo-ops?utm_content=bufferef1ac&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer&fbclid=IwAR1syOJ8cR0HXXhcGi5Y2UyfB1uBSSURbJT1TWcsCi8JX8rRy50mQNXcuUQ

(Yes, it's satire.)

Actually practical.  In 1478 in Florence, a primitive handgun was hidden in a large Bible, brought to church by an assassin, for an attempted assassination of one of the Medici brothers (then ruling Florence) by the opponents, the Pazzi family.  No Romeo or Juliet involved ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2020, 12:33:01 PM
Esper disarms national guard, sends them home (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/pentagon-disarms-guardsmen-in-washington-dc-in-signal-of-de-escalation/2020/06/05/324da91a-a733-11ea-8681-7d471bf20207_story.html?outputType=amp)
Twitter tantrum in 3...2...1...

That is the problem with delegation in any organization.  The underlings sometimes exceed their authority.  If the National Guard had been involved in combat, Esper doing that would be treason.  As it was, nobody was hurt.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2020, 12:34:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbHGAu9Kn_c

What about .. my experience with criminals (Dems)?  I have been fortunate, too much White privilege.  Don't bother me, you won't like it.  Same as if a Democrat came by trying to get me to register as a Democrat.  Mail is OK, goes with the rest of the junk mail.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2020, 12:35:50 PM
Memorial service for George Floyd today in Raeford, North Carolina - where he was born.  NC state flag at half mast.

Ask the pregnant woman who he and two others broke into her house, and George (a criminal) held her at gun point with the gun to her belly.  Just another Dem attempting another abortion.  I hope every Dem home gets broken into.  I don't hope you are all raped and murdered.  I do want all of you to burn in Hell, but no problem if you are an atheist.  Religious Dems however ...

Do y'all really want no police, and have White militias go around killing people because of their name on a voter list?  Seems self destructive, like voting Dem, or taking an overdose of drugs.

"According to data compiled by The Washington Post, American police killed a total of 1,004 people in 2019. Of those, 371 were white, and 236 were black.
Of the 371 whites killed by police, 20 of them were unarmed at the time. Of the 236 blacks killed by police, 10 of them were unarmed." ... yes, White folk should riot now.  Burn down Republican cities (Democrats burn down Democrat cities).  Or maybe they don't because Republicans aren't psychopaths.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 06, 2020, 01:50:03 PM
Memorial service for George Floyd today in Raeford, North Carolina - where he was born.  NC state flag at half mast.
Way to go NC!  In retaliation, Trump will send the Federal Military and equipment, just so you know who's the boss.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 06, 2020, 02:00:12 PM
Memorial service for George Floyd today in Raeford, North Carolina - where he was born.  NC state flag at half mast.
Ordinarily, Trump would not send the military for a memorial service, but Skin Heads, Nazis, and and White Supremacists from the Charlotte debacle were not available to him on such short notice.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: aitm on June 06, 2020, 02:45:18 PM
Too bad.  I wan't one for my book shelves.  It's not like I need to hide a gun or drugs.  I just think it's cool.  I would put a little note inside so whoever opened it would see my note that says, "Fuck You."
Funny enough, I did hollow out a babble which I used to store my pot. Took it on our graduation trip. Our chaperone - also our principal- came into our room one night complaining that he heard we were smoking dope. Searched the room but obviously not the obvious place to stash pot. He would never had thought one would be so “evil” as to hide pot in a babble.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2020, 03:01:04 PM
Way to go NC!  In retaliation, Trump will send the Federal Military and equipment, just so you know who's the boss.

Celebrate every criminal, otherwise you are a bigot ;-(  Remember David Dorn.  Remember who the Dems really are.

"Minneapolis bans chokeholds after George Floyd’s death" ... only smart move to happen from all this.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2020, 03:01:50 PM
Ordinarily, Trump would not send the military for a memorial service, but Skin Heads, Nazis, and and White Supremacists from the Charlotte debacle were not available to him on such short notice.

If that was real (and not paranoid fantasy) ... the Skin Heads would have killed hundreds of communists at Charlotte.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
Funny enough, I did hollow out a babble which I used to store my pot. Took it on our graduation trip. Our chaperone - also our principal- came into our room one night complaining that he heard we were smoking dope. Searched the room but obviously not the obvious place to stash pot. He would never had thought one would be so “evil” as to hide pot in a babble.

I have smelt pot smoke several times.  If you were smoking pot in your room, he would have been able to smell it.  Just like in the boy's lavatory in HS.  If the smoke was heavy enough, he couldn't have smelt the fresh pot in your hiding place.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 06, 2020, 04:46:18 PM
Netflix put an Oscar-winning documentary on the African American experience in America on YouTube for free, "13th", which focuses on the judicial system and the prison industry and how they have exploited the community for a variety of reasons... but one large one is making sure that African Americans become a commodity and a labour resource rather than actual human beings.

I haven't quite finished it yet, but it talks about from the late 1800s that, since the 13th amendment still protects slavery if it's punishment for a crime, white men would arrest African Americans to put them right back to work and goes all the way up to the modern system where corporations and politicians work together to make America the country that houses a quarter of the world's inmates.

One striking quote from it for me was, "We have a criminal justice system that treats you better if your rich and guilty than if your poor and innocent". It's a quote we all inherently know, but to here it vocalized is something else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfcq5pF8u8&t=2254s
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 06, 2020, 04:53:14 PM
The pig who shoved that 75 year old man to the ground in Buffalo, posing the day before in "solidarity" with the protesters.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZuLGAnU0AcUHKv?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZuK9LeU4AATFuL?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

It happened in Buffalo, it happened in Houston, it happened in Austin, it happened in Atlanta, it happened in Philly, it happened in the Twin Cities, it happens in LA, Portland, Seattle, New York, etc. ... the cops will bow, pray and show solidarity with the protesters... then as soon as they get their feel good photos, they start cracking skulls and gassing them.

Fuck 12, ACAB.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 06, 2020, 10:53:48 PM
I would suggest that the "prison industry" is real.  I would suggest people avoid joining that work force ;-)  Though today you can get more skills than just making license plates.

If I were a policeman, like my nephew, and you got in my face, I would use my old wooden baton on you.  Tazer is too technical.  Your civil rights don't mean shit to me.

The National Guard has been federalized before, by President Eisenhower, to let Black kids in the Little Rock HS in 1957, when the Arkansas governor used the National Guard to prevent integration.  Basically, if a governor doesn't do his job with the National Guard, then the National Guard belongs to the President as CinC.  Again, to deal with a local Democrat administration ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on June 07, 2020, 02:16:38 AM
The pig who shoved that 75 year old man to the ground in Buffalo, posing the day before in "solidarity" with the protesters.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZuLGAnU0AcUHKv?format=jpg&name=medium)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZuK9LeU4AATFuL?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)

It happened in Buffalo, it happened in Houston, it happened in Austin, it happened in Atlanta, it happened in Philly, it happened in the Twin Cities, it happens in LA, Portland, Seattle, New York, etc. ... the cops will bow, pray and show solidarity with the protesters... then as soon as they get their feel good photos, they start cracking skulls and gassing them.

Fuck 12, ACAB.

Some of those that work forces......
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 07, 2020, 05:36:33 AM
In 35 states, it is perfectly legal for cops to rape their detainees and claim "it was consensual" to avoid any legal repercussions. An example of how that could go wrong. While New York apparently fixed this loophole, the rest cannot be said for the majority of states in the union.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/30/nypd-detectives-accused-raping-teen-wont-get-jail-time/2166015001/

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The victim was driving with two friends when Martins and Hall — who were not in uniform — pulled her over and found marijuana and Klonopin pills. After they detained her, according to the Brooklyn District Attorney’s office, “the woman had sexual intercourse with Martins and performed a sex act on Hall,” before releasing her without an arrest.

DNA was later obtained from the victim that matched both men.

New York law already prohibits sex between prison guards and inmates. The policy, prior to the incident, didn’t apply to officers and those in their custody.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2020, 10:59:47 AM
The blood banks assume, if you have been incarcerated for 72 or more hours, you have been raped by the fellow detainees.  This is mostly male on male rape, mostly by the detainees, not the cops.  Of course the cops shouldn't rape you.  But the Dems support all criminals.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2020, 11:12:57 AM
A Predator drone was deployed on the Minneapolis protest (https://m.startribune.com/which-agency-wanted-drone-flown-over-minneapolis-protests/571051962/) (which btw, is illegal for obvious reasons)

The conservatives must hate this Big Government overreach.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2020, 11:19:41 AM
A Predator drone was deployed on the Minneapolis protest (https://m.startribune.com/which-agency-wanted-drone-flown-over-minneapolis-protests/571051962/) (which btw, is illegal for obvious reasons)

The conservatives must hate this Big Government overreach.

Can't speak for conservatives.  But speaking as a Stalinist, y'all will love building roads in Alaska above the Arctic Circle.  No winter clothing required.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 07, 2020, 02:04:13 PM
A Predator drone was deployed on the Minneapolis protest (https://m.startribune.com/which-agency-wanted-drone-flown-over-minneapolis-protests/571051962/) (which btw, is illegal for obvious reasons)

The conservatives must hate this Big Government overreach.

It's only bad when the other guys do it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 07, 2020, 03:01:46 PM
A Predator drone was deployed on the Minneapolis protest (https://m.startribune.com/which-agency-wanted-drone-flown-over-minneapolis-protests/571051962/) (which btw, is illegal for obvious reasons)

The conservatives must hate this Big Government overreach.
They're starting to (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/exclusive-in-warning-sign-for-trump-republicans-growing-pessimistic-about-countrys-direction/ar-BB159Lg1?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout), although almost certainly not for 'big government' reasons.  If this polling is accurate—17% of Republicans plan voting for Biden, only 63% currently commit to voting for the Orange Disaster Area—these aren't merely troubling numbers for the Oval Orifice, they're positively cataclysmic.  Given the razor-thin path that saddled us with Shithead in 2016, anything that causes Republican defections or depresses Republican turnout is a political death sentence.

We're probably only one or two bad (for them) polling cycles away from Senate Republicans starting to openly defy him. Right now, all the endangered Republican senators (Collins-ME, McSally-AZ, Gardner-CO and Tillis-NC) are running anywhere from 'behind' to 'way behind' their Democratic challengers, and Montana's race is too close to call, but polling leans very gently in the direction of Democratic Governor Bullock right now.  Under that scenario, even the likely loss of Jones in Alabama means a 51-49 Democratic Senate.  I don't see any other obvious targets.

Alaska's Murkowski has already intimated that Republican Senators may take the opportunity of the Mattis statement (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lisa-murkowsi-james-mattis-statement-struggling-over-trump-support/) to distance themselves from the dumpster fire on Pennsylvania Avenue, and has said she is "struggling" with supporting him further, and so have many of her colleagues on her side of the aisle.

This advice may be too late to save Collins, McSally, Gardner and Tillis.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2020, 03:45:44 PM
My neck of the woods.

https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1267295157885505537

I'm not out there, but if I were, I have no doubt that the authorities charged with my safety would be my primary threat.

And if you threaten to sue (https://indyweek.com/news/wake/conrad-james-raleigh-city-council-arrest/), that's a second round of abuse.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2020, 04:03:33 PM
Also, a judge apparently suspended habeaus corpus in NYC (https://www.insider.com/nyc-judge-suspends-24-hour-arraignment-rule-drawing-aocs-ire-2020-6), allowing police to hold people for longer than 24 hours without charge.  There's a reason that's in the constitution.  It's so we don't have people "disappear" in custody like in authoritarian regimes.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 07, 2020, 05:35:14 PM
(https://i.redd.it/kpeekrv1pi351.jpg)

Improvised illumination device
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 07, 2020, 06:10:56 PM
WTF??  A false flag from the trumpanits?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 07, 2020, 06:20:42 PM
A 4 year old article that has become relevant from PBS:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement)

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“Many people in these communities of color feel they have been the subject of police violence for decades. And when an officer engages in conduct that adds or enhances that divide, they are ultimately jeopardizing the integrity of their agencies and putting their fellow officers in danger.”
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 07, 2020, 06:54:54 PM
Three months ago, I didn't think Biden had a chance of beating Trump, but I'm starting to think that Trump may have fucked himself out of a job in the last several weeks. But I'm horrible at predicting politics.  Well maybe not horrible.  I've been dead on a few times too. It's going to be close, but that's hardly a bold prediction.  It's always close.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2020, 07:34:59 PM
Also, a judge apparently suspended habeaus corpus in NYC (https://www.insider.com/nyc-judge-suspends-24-hour-arraignment-rule-drawing-aocs-ire-2020-6), allowing police to hold people for longer than 24 hours without charge.  There's a reason that's in the constitution.  It's so we don't have people "disappear" in custody like in authoritarian regimes.

Chicago police previously were doing this.  Mostly to Black suspects ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2020, 07:36:01 PM
WTF??  A false flag from the trumpanits?

Are all cops Nazis?  Every string is about Biden's chances?  Why not in the original election string?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2020, 07:36:44 PM
A 4 year old article that has become relevant from PBS:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement)

What about communists and drug addicts in law enforcement?  French Connection baby!

PS ...

Can't wait for the psychos to let this perp out of jail because of White Privilege ... the suspect is Black

"David Dorn shooting: Arrest, murder charge announced in killing of retired St. Louis police captain" ...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 08, 2020, 01:17:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dQFJyY4.jpg)

Marine veteran.  2 time Purple Heart recipient.  Those black marks are from his shoes melting and falling apart.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2020, 01:46:43 AM
So I read up about this George Floyd case and I know it was wrong for a cop to kill a man when in custody, but this man was a criminal that stole and had a armed robbery against a African family and even threatened to kill a pregnant African woman. Who also was on illegal drugs at the time when he gave a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. Also  why is this a race thing? Because it was a white cop and a black man? This is police brutality issue not a racist issue.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 08, 2020, 06:36:17 AM
This is police brutality issue not a racist issue.
It's both.  The two are not mutually exclusive, and it has become part of black life, while it's not something whites worry about on a daily basis. It's definitely racist. Law enforcement has become a legalized KKK, and if you protest, even non-violently as a white guy, you're likely to get knocked on the head with a baton.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 09:26:13 AM
So I read up about this George Floyd case and I know it was wrong for a cop to kill a man when in custody, but this man was a criminal that stole and had a armed robbery against a African family and even threatened to kill a pregnant African woman. Who also was on illegal drugs at the time when he gave a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. Also  why is this a race thing? Because it was a white cop and a black man? This is police brutality issue not a racist issue.

I hear he also like gang rape ;-( ... All Dem candidates should make pilgrimage to his grave.  He is the new MLK ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 09:26:56 AM
It's both.  The two are not mutually exclusive, and it has become part of black life, while it's not something whites worry about on a daily basis. It's definitely racist. Law enforcement has become a legalized KKK, and if you protest, even non-violently as a white guy, you're likely to get knocked on the head with a baton.

Only hire Buddhist monks as cops.  They carry no weapons and can't hit you ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 08, 2020, 09:47:14 AM
So I read up about this George Floyd case and I know it was wrong for a cop to kill a man when in custody, but this man was a criminal that stole and had a armed robbery against a African family and even threatened to kill a pregnant African woman. Who also was on illegal drugs at the time when he gave a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. Also  why is this a race thing? Because it was a white cop and a black man? This is police brutality issue not a racist issue.
Actually, it's both race and police brutality.  And his record has nothing to do with being chocked to death by a cop. He could be a career criminal and that would still not excuse what that cop did.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 12:06:40 PM
Actually, it's both race and police brutality.  And his record has nothing to do with being chocked to death by a cop. He could be a career criminal and that would still not excuse what that cop did.

Hate all cops.  Praise all criminals.  You won't have as many people going to your funeral, as George Floyd did, because you aren't as useful to the DNC.

When you don't have cops, or cops won't do their job ...

"The tweet reads: “ANTIFA has threatened the town of Placerville, CA . They said if anyone stands in their way “there will be consequences.“ So Hell’s Angels and the Mongols biker gangs have accepted the challenge!" ... I have only ever seen Hell's Angels in Crap-a-fornia.

Even criminal biker gangs known for dealing in drugs .. are more based than California officials.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 08, 2020, 12:07:40 PM
https://youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObY
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 12:08:30 PM
Comedians for President?  At least it would be a laugh ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 08, 2020, 02:39:05 PM
Police trap peaceful protestors while ordering them to disperse (https://twitter.com/MikeApe7/status/1269533701194444800)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 08, 2020, 02:48:02 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/atitwyst3o351.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c19a1fb578460ba3141ec2875eb807afa6e5b3e4)

"I want to be a cop!"
"You can't kill people just cause you wanna anymore."
*crosses arms* "Well, now I am not doing it."

Also, anyone spot the false dilemma fallacy - the idea that our only options are Judge Dredd-style policing or utter lawlessness?  A lot of other countries seem to strike a better balance of being tough on crime but not brutal towards civilians.  Why not follow their example?  (Is Judge Dredd an accurate comparison?  IIRC, he fought against bad cops in the last film)

And how can anyone possibly claim to support the law while claiming that murderers shouldn't be held accountable for murder?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2020, 03:49:49 PM
It's both.  The two are not mutually exclusive, and it has become part of black life, while it's not something whites worry about on a daily basis. It's definitely racist. Law enforcement has become a legalized KKK, and if you protest, even non-violently as a white guy, you're likely to get knocked on the head with a baton.

No it's not. People just assume that it was. Yes there is racial cop brutality, but as soon as you see a white man doing anything violent to a black man you deem it "racist" is not a good outlook.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 08, 2020, 04:51:39 PM
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...but as soon as you see a white man doing anything violent to a black man you deem it "racist" is not a good outlook.

Why?


Edit: And let me go one further: Why, particularly in a situation where an organization known for targeting minorities at a significantly higher rate and abusing their power against them at a significantly higher rate?


Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 08, 2020, 06:03:53 PM
No it's not. People just assume that it was. Yes there is racial cop brutality, but as soon as you see a white man doing anything violent to a black man you deem it "racist" is not a good outlook.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/inside-100-million-police-traffic-stops-new-evidence-racial-bias-n980556

What else can you call racial prejudice mixed with racial violence but racism?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 06:04:25 PM
No it's not. People just assume that it was. Yes there is racial cop brutality, but as soon as you see a white man doing anything violent to a black man you deem it "racist" is not a good outlook.

Some charges don't require proof of intent, some do  Proving that hitting a guy who is Black, when you are White, may or may not be racist.  If the White guy didn't say anything or give any other immediate evidence of intent, then it is presumption to say it is racist.  But if you examine his Facebook and it is covered with KKK stuff ... one has a clue.

In Cultural Marxism, no Black hitting any White is ever racist, because Cultural Marxists redefined it ... being White and just standing there is racist.  You don't have to do anything more egregious than that.  I completely reject Cultural Marxism.  This is communism for Beta males and Feminists.  Real communists kill people in cold blood, I can respect that.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 06:04:54 PM
Police trap peaceful protestors while ordering them to disperse (https://twitter.com/MikeApe7/status/1269533701194444800)

Cops missed a good kill zone?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 06:07:28 PM
Why?


Edit: And let me go one further: Why, particularly in a situation where an organization known for targeting minorities at a significantly higher rate and abusing their power against them at a significantly higher rate?

All cops are KKK?  Some might be.  That needs to be stopped.  Statistically, Shiranu, you are more affluent than the average Somali.  Should they "necklace" you for being too "White" like they do in S Africa?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 06:09:59 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/inside-100-million-police-traffic-stops-new-evidence-racial-bias-n980556

What else can you call racial prejudice mixed with racial violence but racism?

The average young Black male ... has a high likely-hood of being up to no good.  A fact.  The cops can check the computer for priors.  Do priors not matter?  You want the police to profile White grandmothers with only a parking ticket?  Not all young Black males are criminals ... fortunately.  I have worked with a few.  Very few White grandmothers are criminals ... unless they are in the Mafia.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 08, 2020, 07:21:05 PM
Comedians for President?  At least it would be a laugh ;-(
I'd vote for Jon Stewart.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 08, 2020, 07:54:59 PM
Why?


Edit: And let me go one further: Why, particularly in a situation where an organization known for targeting minorities at a significantly higher rate and abusing their power against them at a significantly higher rate?




So you would label everything done against a minority ethnicity is racist because past history and grudges. Not all white people are racist. Not all conflict with minorities and white people are a racial thing Also not every cop is an arrogant SOB. Yes there is a racial problem in the justice program. But you shouldn't fight hate with hate.


Because It will blind you.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 08, 2020, 08:25:25 PM
Yes there is a racial problem in the justice program.
So...is there racism going on or not?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 08, 2020, 08:44:58 PM
The human "race" has always been racist.  It isn't called the "human SJW".  But of course there are many kinds of prejudice and exploitation.  People who virtue signal about how wonderful they are ... are children or clear mental cases (if adult).  Adult self examination reveals the ugly truth.  Unless of course you are a sociopath who has no character, no humanity.  Then you are a Hitler.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 08, 2020, 09:10:47 PM
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So you would label everything done against a minority ethnicity is racist because past history and grudges.

No, and I never said that.

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Not all white people are racist.

Nope, and I never said that.

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Not all conflict with minorities and white people are a racial thing.

Nope, and I never said that.

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Also not every cop is an arrogant SOB.

True, but every cop does work for a system that is permeated with racism and abuse of power, and damn near every cop will protect their own rather than admit that the system they work in is fundamentally flawed. There are a variety of reasons they would do that, from apathy to approval to fear of being ostracized within the force or even losing their job over it and a cop who doesn't stand up against the behaviour of his organization has to be evaluated on a case to case basis, but I don't think anyone is fighting against "cops" as a person but rather cops as the institution and profession.

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But you shouldn't fight hate with hate.

There is nothing wrong with hating a system that murders, that beats, that wrongfully arrests, that profits off of the abuse of not just minorities but everyone too poor to take their asses to court and win. Infact, I would say anyone who does not hate that system is morally inferiour to someone who does, because if you can only approach it with apathy or worse-yet love then you are enabling it to continue.

Of course love is important; we need to use love to rebuild the African American community that has suffered 400 years of oppression under white supremacy. We need to use love to build a system from the ashes of the current police state that protects American citizens regardless of their skin colour, their sexual orientation, the size of their wallet. We need love to forgive those officers who were intimidated into being complicit in a system that threatened them if they ever showed their humanity.

But hatred is not an inherently bad thing. Robert Sternerg defines it as such...

1. A detachment of intimacy. No one should ever be intimate with a system as inherently immoral and destructive as the American police complex is.
2. An infuse of passion. Without passion, this system will never be changed.
3. A decision to devalue a previously valued object. Every American must realize that this bullshit valuation we put on police officers is as misguided and intentionally deceptive as our valuation of the military is. It's just a way to put police officers above the law, and no American should be above the law.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 08, 2020, 11:59:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QenIc7Z94rU
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 09, 2020, 02:02:52 AM
If only America was as well prepared for a viral outbreak as the police were to go to war with their own communities.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 09, 2020, 02:37:24 AM
We are so doomed. Is it wrong of me to wish for less Americans so I might get a career as a museum curator?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 09, 2020, 10:39:13 AM
Police trap peaceful protestors while ordering them to disperse (https://twitter.com/MikeApe7/status/1269533701194444800)
Well, you got all these weapons of destruction and high tech punishing devices.  If people just run away from you, how much fun is that?  Since you're overstaffed anyway, you might as well use those guys on bikes to pen them in.  Kind of like shooting fish in a barrel.  It's pointless, but there's still lots of action and a lot of fun for all.

The press really needs to ask the police commissioner to justify this strategy.  To tell people to do something and then prevent them from doing it just so you can use your weapons on them is an egregious use of power.  It's not enforcing anything. Well, I guess the point could be, "We can do anything we want to anybody, no matter how unjustified, and you can't stop us." 

This kind of shit underscores further how out of control law enforcement is in our country, as well as many elected leaders.  When you start getting as sick of the police as you are of criminals, the system is broken.  Al Capone was more respected than our costumed crime fighters of today.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 09, 2020, 11:56:04 AM
We are so doomed. Is it wrong of me to wish for less Americans so I might get a career as a museum curator?

You want to work in a museum?  Are you addicted to doom porn?

Yes, every individual is doomed.  Life is a competition like it or not, one that you inevitably lose.  Afterlife of not, your body is dying one day at a time.  Whether all people die on the same day, or on many different days, isn't my problem.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 09, 2020, 12:02:40 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/8cxyh1qg1w351.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2d05314369f63739071f9478a8d9da76bf3b37b0)

I bet the police brought him into custody with the utmost care.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 09, 2020, 12:05:38 PM
"Antifa Militia Wing Wants 'Complete Abolition' Of System" ... Democrats are like Sein Fein ... AntiFa is like IRA.  Thanks Ireland!

Change the name of this string to Communist Revolutionaries?

"As BLM Protests Raged, Chicago Saw Highest Black-On-Black Murder Rate In 60 Years" ... Democrats are Murder Inc.  Been so in Chicago since the days of Al Capone.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 09, 2020, 03:05:34 PM
Seattle police unleash CS gas on civilians, despite city ban (https://q13fox.com/2020/06/08/seattle-council-members-protest-after-tear-gas-used-on-crowd/)

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Just days after Seattle’s mayor and police chief promised a month-long moratorium on using a type of tear gas to disperse protesters, the department used it again during an overnight protest — bringing severe criticism Monday from City Council members, vows to overhaul the department and an additional call for the mayor’s resignation.

“How many people need to write in about being gassed in their own homes? How many people have to be sprayed in the street every night or experience getting hit with flash bombs or rubber bullets?” Council Member Teresa Mosqueda said during a council briefing.

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Mosqueda, the Seattle council’s budget chair, announced an inquest into the police budget to get a better understanding of how the department spends money. She said she wants to cut police funding by half and reinvest the money “in communities that we’ve failed,” including in affordable housing and mass transit.
If the community is subsidizing their own abuse, literally buying the baton that beats them and the gas they choke on (a chemical weapon designed to induce severe coughing is especially dangerous during a pandemic, btw), then imho it makes sense to look to other ways of allocating those funds, because obviously the current system isn't working.

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Officers ordered people to disperse and announced on Twitter that “CS gas has been authorized,” referring to tear gas. In the same tweet, the department said there was a man with a gun in the intersection; it was not clear whether that referred to the same driver who had been arrested hours earlier, or, if it was a different gunman, why the department would use clouds of tear gas, potentially obscuring where he was.
Curious.  Very curious.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 09, 2020, 06:32:00 PM
I've been trying to understanding what this culture understands from 'protest'. I realise that this is something that keeps changing. And unfortunately, the change is the same everywhere.

So as far as I understand, the majority trying to be at the right of the history missed the point.

You don't go out to protest because you are brave. You go out because you are fucking scared.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 09, 2020, 07:56:53 PM
So I read up about this George Floyd case and I know it was wrong for a cop to kill a man when in custody, but this man was a criminal that stole and had a armed robbery against a African family and even threatened to kill a pregnant African woman. Who also was on illegal drugs at the time when he gave a counterfeit 20 dollar bill. Also  why is this a race thing? Because it was a white cop and a black man? This is police brutality issue not a racist issue.
Well, let me ask this: even if he was stoned, and even if he'd passed a counterfeit $20... since when are either of those capital offenses?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 09, 2020, 08:16:46 PM
It's all about blaming the victim.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 09, 2020, 08:25:55 PM
I just saw, on CBS, that Floyd and Chauvin ''had a history of not getting along,'' so there may have been some personal animosity in the murder.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 09, 2020, 09:42:54 PM
Well, let me ask this: even if he was stoned, and even if he'd passed a counterfeit $20... since when are either of those capital offenses?
Or being old and slow-moving.  Or a medic tending to a wounded person.  Or the high crime of being a journalist and simply filming, which has deeply unsettling implications.

Completely disproportionate violence.

Sometimes they say stuff like "someone threw a bottle" (which in at least one instance, was a blatant lie (https://deadline.com/2020/06/donald-trump-george-floyd-demonstrators-lafayette-square-park-1202949717/))

Well, good thing they're decked head to toe in body armor, complete with a face mask and riot shield.  That way they're well protected and don't have to do anything rash in retaliation.  Yet they do anyway.  Force of habit?  (forceful habit?)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 09, 2020, 11:56:27 PM
I've been trying to understanding what this culture understands from 'protest'. I realise that this is something that keeps changing. And unfortunately, the change is the same everywhere.

So as far as I understand, the majority trying to be at the right of the history missed the point.

You don't go out to protest because you are brave. You go out because you are fucking scared.
And I might suggest, scared mixed with pissed to fight the 'scared'.  And now is a good time to be scared.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 12:05:36 AM
I've been trying to understanding what this culture understands from 'protest'. I realise that this is something that keeps changing. And unfortunately, the change is the same everywhere.

So as far as I understand, the majority trying to be at the right of the history missed the point.

You don't go out to protest because you are brave. You go out because you are fucking scared.

Some don't go for protest.  Some are AntiFa terrorist, some are just criminals using it as cover.  Concentrating on the Derrida deconstruction of political dialog ... is a waste of time.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 12:06:36 AM
I just saw, on CBS, that Floyd and Chauvin ''had a history of not getting along,'' so there may have been some personal animosity in the murder.

That and the bar was a political activist front, and a place for passing counterfeit money ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 12:07:21 AM
Well, let me ask this: even if he was stoned, and even if he'd passed a counterfeit $20... since when are either of those capital offenses?

Being born is a capital offense - G-d
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 12:07:56 AM
It's all about blaming the victim.

All humans are victims of G-d.  And I agree with G-d, humans should be blamed.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2020, 12:13:08 AM
You don't go out to protest because you are brave. You go out because you are fucking scared.
“Bran thought about it. 'Can a man still be brave if he's afraid?'
'That is the only time a man can be brave,' his father told him.”
― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2020, 09:00:05 AM
(https://i.redd.it/l8q6tyfhmx351.jpg)

It must be hard to endure that sort of rejudice and hate and extremely mild to nonexistent discrimination.  Be brave!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 10, 2020, 09:22:57 AM
George Floyd's funeral:

https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/funeral-for-george-floyd-idUSRTS3BZIV
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: aitm on June 10, 2020, 10:06:56 AM
(https://i.redd.it/l8q6tyfhmx351.jpg)

It must be hard to endure that sort of rejudice and hate and extremely mild to nonexistent discrimination.  Be brave!

Oh the irony apparently not understood by the officer...”stop treating us like animals and thugs...”...le sigh.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 10:20:11 AM
You are all deplorables, all of you are Americans ;-(

"Seattle Protesters Establish "Autonomous Zone" After Police, National Guard Pull Out" ... Losers create a Banlui like they have in Paris France.

@Shiranu, look ... a new Soviet Republic you can join ;-))

https://www.statista.com/chart/21963/amount-spent-on-policing-per-person/

How many of those cities are run by the D-party?  Hmm.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

Why the drop?  Fewer young men being born.  More cops.  Harder-nosed cops.  More incarceration.

You could reduce crime by 90% by aborting every male baby.

Violent crime rate (per 100,000) ... US average = 368.9, DC average = 995.9 ... so nuke DC?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/202714/number-of-committed-crimes-in-the-us-by-type-of-crime/

Crime pays (doesn't count fraud and theft by the oligarchy, the greatest theft of all).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2020, 12:37:02 PM
(https://preview.redd.it/69iclpxo61451.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=cef6468e40f316f82f48d1845d4cbc20c53cde84)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 12:40:07 PM
When the oligarchy betrays their security services ... they will end up guillotined.  Of course, one never won a bet by betting on how smart politicians are.  They are already self-selected = stupid.

My postings are самиздат (samizdat) ... Jewish publication resistance in a totalitarian society.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2020, 01:00:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPRmzpGyycY

If you're not ashamed, you're not a good cop.  If you beat people unnecessarily, you're not a good cop.  If you murdered people, you're not a good cop.  If you stood by and watched and didn't say a word, you're not a good cop.

We need good cops, now more than ever.  We don't need the rest.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 01:21:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPRmzpGyycY

If you're not ashamed, you're not a good cop.  If you beat people unnecessarily, you're not a good cop.  If you murdered people, you're not a good cop.  If you stood by and watched and didn't say a word, you're not a good cop.

We need good cops, now more than ever.  We don't need the rest.

If you don't kneel to your local hoodlums, you aren't Bastards Love Masturbation.

If you don't riot, loot and arson ... you aren't AntFa (aka German 1930s communists).

There are no good cops, just good Monday morning quarterbacks.  There is more than one reason every person has an ass-hole ;-)

When are you SJWs going to defund oligarchs (Microsoft, Apple, Walmart) and defund criminals (don't need to pay your illegal drug pusher)?  Fact is, you love oligarchs and criminals.  So much for your BS virtue signaling.

Nancy Pelosi never donned "kente" cloth to honor African-American servicemen who die in service (including Black cops).  The Dem leadership is too evil to be worth burning in Hell.  Hell won't have them!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2020, 01:35:54 PM
Minnesota state troopers admit to "strategically" slashing tires (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/minnesota-state-patrol-deflated-tires-protests-george-floyd-black-lives-matter/)

Would this be the case if it wasn't caught on camera?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 01:48:50 PM
Minnesota state troopers admit to "strategically" slashing tires (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/minnesota-state-patrol-deflated-tires-protests-george-floyd-black-lives-matter/)

Would this be the case if it wasn't caught on camera?

At your place of work, be on camera all the time.  We want the film of you wasting time in the company washroom doing ....

Unfortunately in history, some firemen are arsonists ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefighter_arson

Like all persistent bad human behavior, this can be fixed by getting rid of the bad apples ... aka all of you!

The utopia of the R or L will never be televised, because it will never happen.  A potter has to get his hands dirty.  And SJW wants a clay that isn't dirt.  So they will never make a single pot.  Rich people want government services and protection, but not pay any taxes.  Both ends of society are losers.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 10, 2020, 03:56:42 PM
Campaign Zero (https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision) has some interesting solutions for minimizing police violence. Their site has a lot of information.

(https://sojo.net/sites/default/files/styles/huge/public/wysiwyg/CampaignZero.png?itok=6JJCDM3f)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
Yes, we can kill our enemies, and enjoy the wailing of their women!  Loving your enemies is Christian.  And Christianity is crap ;-)  Jesus said go forth and kill the Sanhedrin, crucify the Pharisees, get weapons from the Romans, the ends justify the means!

"George Floyd & Derek Chauvin "Bumped Heads" While Working At Nightclub, Says Ex-Coworker" ... they knew each other, and didn't like each other.  Surprise, surprise - Gomer Pyle

""Check Yo' Self, Negro!": Cornel West Explodes On Leo Terrell During Hannity Debate About Defunding Police" ... Cornel West is very pro-Black, very Democrat.  But like MLK or Thomas Sowell ... he is based.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 10, 2020, 11:12:34 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 10, 2020, 11:44:54 PM
Campaign Zero (https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision) has some interesting solutions for minimizing police violence. Their site has a lot of information.
When this first started, I would've been fine with just 3 (no excessive force) and 6 (bodycams).  I talked to my brother about this and he's adamant about 4 (https://www.joincampaignzero.org/investigations).  He said that without some sort of external oversight, there's no way these forces are going to serve the community like they're supposed to - internal affairs just ain't cutting it.  Considering the ample evidence of police brutality lately, I'm inclined to agree.

I suppose I have brutal cops to thank for inadvertently pushing America towards major changes.  Earlier, I would have been okay with the status quo with fairly minor tweaks.  Now, I see that the whole system has to be restructured in a way that protects the community from thuggish behavior.  And I have the brutal cops to thank it - for forcing this ugliness into the spotlight.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 11, 2020, 03:39:43 AM
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/two-thirds-of-national-guard-deployed-for-washington-protests-are-de-mobilizing-governor-says/281-5353e27b-704e-48a1-86ff-a084aecc92ce

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Trump: "Radical Left Governor @JayInslee and the Mayor of Seattle are being taunted and played at a level that our great Country has never seen before. Take back your city NOW. If you don’t do it, I will. This is not a game. These ugly Anarchists must be stooped [sic] IMMEDIATELY. MOVE FAST!"

In response, Inslee Tweeted: "A man who is totally incapable of governing should stay out of Washington state’s business. “Stoop” tweeting."

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan replied on Twitter with "Make us all safe. Go back to your bunker. #BlackLivesMatter"

Trump followed up with "Domestic Terrorists have taken over Seattle, run by Radical Left Democrats, of course. LAW & ORDER!"

Ahahahah "Radical Left". Gawd, American right wing terminology... I wish these people would actually get to know what is 'radical left' in their life time. The Central Liberal Right is Radical Left in the US. Lololol. Guys...sigh.
 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 11, 2020, 07:12:23 AM
When this first started, I would've been fine with just 3 (no excessive force) and 6 (bodycams).  I talked to my brother about this and he's adamant about 4 (https://www.joincampaignzero.org/investigations).  He said that without some sort of external oversight, there's no way these forces are going to serve the community like they're supposed to - internal affairs just ain't cutting it.  Considering the ample evidence of police brutality lately, I'm inclined to agree.

I suppose I have brutal cops to thank for inadvertently pushing America towards major changes.  Earlier, I would have been okay with the status quo with fairly minor tweaks.  Now, I see that the whole system has to be restructured in a way that protects the community from thuggish behavior.  And I have the brutal cops to thank it - for forcing this ugliness into the spotlight.
I'm pretty much of the same opinion.  A few years ago, I was skeptical about police brutality.  Today, I see it as an undeniable phenomenon that is widespread and endemic.  It should not be that way.  I've been cited by respectful cops, but it's been in small towns where the Sheriff is your neighbor.  I don't think I saw the whole picture.  This needs to stop, starting with the way police are handling protests.  Trump is not helping.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 11, 2020, 08:32:54 AM
When this first started, I would've been fine with just 3 (no excessive force) and 6 (bodycams).  I talked to my brother about this and he's adamant about 4 (https://www.joincampaignzero.org/investigations).  He said that without some sort of external oversight, there's no way these forces are going to serve the community like they're supposed to - internal affairs just ain't cutting it.  Considering the ample evidence of police brutality lately, I'm inclined to agree.

I agree with your brother that there needs to be an independent federal office to investigate charges of death or serious injury by law enforcement. One indicator this is necessary is currently there is no data on the number of deaths or serious injuries by law enforcement. Legislation has been passed that these data be gathered but it hasn’t happened. A federal agency is necessary because currently there are conflicts of interest between district attorneys, law enforcement, and mayors. District attorneys work daily with law enforcement to make cases and the last thing they want to do challenge the conduct of law enforcement. Similarly, the police chief is typically aligned with the mayor. The mayor doesn’t want to go to war with law enforcement because they are some of the most powerful constituents in the community. Incentives are in place for them to work together. An outside agency offering whistleblower protection and enabling anyone to report a concern would have several advantages. It relieves the DA and mayor of responsibility, can gather data on death and serious injury by law enforcement, set standards of conduct, and provide training and education. A federal agency could also stop the current practice of bad law enforcement officers being fired from one department, moving to another city, and being rehired.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 08:54:25 AM
https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/two-thirds-of-national-guard-deployed-for-washington-protests-are-de-mobilizing-governor-says/281-5353e27b-704e-48a1-86ff-a084aecc92ce

Ahahahah "Radical Left". Gawd, American right wing terminology... I wish these people would actually get to know what is 'radical left' in their life time. The Central Liberal Right is Radical Left in the US. Lololol. Guys...sigh.

This is why the NYT correspondent in London, one Mr Karl Marx ... is full of shit.  De Tocqueville actually visited here (Marx did not).  De tocqueville is worth reading, Marx is not.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 08:58:34 AM
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No, you didn't protest because of a trial result that hasn't happened yet.  But upping the charges to 2nd degree murder, it is now harder to convict.  Will you protest when this pandering to BLM lets this cop free?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 08:59:40 AM
I'm pretty much of the same opinion.  A few years ago, I was skeptical about police brutality.  Today, I see it as an undeniable phenomenon that is widespread and endemic.  It should not be that way.  I've been cited by respectful cops, but it's been in small towns where the Sheriff is your neighbor.  I don't think I saw the whole picture.  This needs to stop, starting with the way police are handling protests.  Trump is not helping.

Protests are legal.  Rioting, looting, arson and insurrection are not protests!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 11, 2020, 10:37:59 AM
Protests are legal.  Rioting, looting, arson and insurrection are not protests!

There are legal forms of protest, illegal forms of protest, non-violent protest and violent protest. I don't support violent protests. I might support illegal protests depending on the circumstances. I agree smashing the window of a small, minority-owned bakery and grabbing a cheesecake and a bottle of wine (which happened where I live) isn't actually a protest.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 11:05:05 AM
There are legal forms of protest, illegal forms of protest, non-violent protest and violent protest. I don't support violent protests. I might support illegal protests depending on the circumstances. I agree smashing the window of a small, minority-owned bakery and grabbing a cheesecake and a bottle of wine (which happened where I live) isn't actually a protest.

Don't join the BS.  Truth is False.  Falsehood is True.  This is typical semantic confusion.

Islam is a religion of peace (not).  There are legal complications with marches and protests ... but none of that is violence.  Do you have a permit for your march etc.  That illegality isn't equal to arson.  This was a big problem last year with Extinction Rebellion in London.  They were blocking traffic and even commuter trains.  That is illegal for a good reason.  If the demonstrations were restricted to Hyde Park, that would be OK.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 11, 2020, 11:25:30 AM
Don't join the BS.  Truth is False.  Falsehood is True.  This is typical semantic confusion.

Islam is a religion of peace (not).  There are legal complications with marches and protests ... but none of that is violence.  Do you have a permit for your march etc.  That illegality isn't equal to arson.  This was a big problem last year with Extinction Rebellion in London.  They were blocking traffic and even commuter trains.  That is illegal for a good reason.  If the demonstrations were restricted to Hyde Park, that would be OK.
I'm pretty sure if the protests were confined to a park somewhere, the protests wouldn't achieve anything other than be a small nuisance.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 11:33:05 AM
I'm pretty sure if the protests were confined to a park somewhere, the protests wouldn't achieve anything other than be a small nuisance.

So you support burning down the WH and killing the President, to show you are serious?  That isn't "redress of grievances".

What gets political notice is not reelecting incumbents.  All of this isn't just politicians ignoring you, it is voters being deplorables.

Sorry, you're just a violent revolutionary, who is virtue signaling (officer, I didn't mean to torch that car)?  Toddlers with molotov cocktails.

I want what I want right now, and if the voting doesn't support me, I will sit down in the middle of the grocery aisle and cry!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 11, 2020, 11:33:56 AM
So you support burning down the WH and killing the President, to show you are serious?  That isn't "redress of grievances".

What gets political notice is not reelecting incumbents.  All of this isn't just politicians ignoring you, it is voters being deplorables.

Sorry, your just a violent revolutionary, who is virtue signaling (officer, I didn't mean to torch that car).
Why are you so full of shit?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 11:35:51 AM
Why are you so full of shit?

I saw this all before.  It was such a Greening of America, Nixon was elected.  Please be a criminal, so that Trump will be re-elected then.

People who forget history, just repeat it.  The Seattle Soviet is threatening to suicide if they aren't fed.  Don't remember Jim Jones, do they?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 11, 2020, 11:43:05 AM
I saw this all before.  It was such a Greening of America, Nixon was elected.  Please be a criminal, so that Trump will be re-elected then.

People who forget history, just repeat it.  The Seattle Soviet is threatening to suicide if they aren't fed.  Don't remember Jim Jones, do they?
History repeating itself is because we forget what happened last generation, and people don't read history books or watch history documentaries.


With that down, why are you so full of shit?

So you support burning down the WH and killing the President, to show you are serious?  That isn't "redress of grievances".

What gets political notice is not reelecting incumbents.  All of this isn't just politicians ignoring you, it is voters being deplorables.

Sorry, you're just a violent revolutionary, who is virtue signaling (officer, I didn't mean to torch that car)?  Toddlers with molotov cocktails.

I want what I want right now, and if the voting doesn't support me, I will sit down in the middle of the grocery aisle and cry!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 11, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
I remember when I learned that traffic cops get paid based on the number of citations they wrote, and that they had a quota to fill. That is absolutely ridiculous. They essentially gain from another's loss. I understand skepticism with a cop making few to no citations, but basing their income on how many tickets they write? BTW, you should be more careful driving near the end of the month. That's when they must meet their quota.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 01:09:38 PM
History repeating itself is because we forget what happened last generation, and people don't read history books or watch history documentaries.


With that down, why are you so full of shit?

Yes, in 1970 all Americans became druggies and rioters, not.  Well, I didn't.  I don't forget history ... I accepted the Santayana warning.  Maybe one should do less bing watching of Game of Thrones?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 01:10:31 PM
I remember when I learned that traffic cops get paid based on the number of citations they wrote, and that they had a quota to fill. That is absolutely ridiculous. They essentially gain from another's loss. I understand skepticism with a cop making few to no citations, but basing their income on how many tickets they write? BTW, you should be more careful driving near the end of the month. That's when they must meet their quota.

Want justice?  Die.  The dead are all judged justly.  Yes, avoid cops.  Wise move.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 11, 2020, 03:03:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf4cea5oObY

I'm starting to change my views on police unions, too.  Shielding abusers is a big part of this mess.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 11, 2020, 03:05:54 PM
Neither Hitler nor Stalin liked unions either.  Interfered with their serial killing.  Used to be supporting unions was liberal.  All power to the Soviet Union! (irony).

I rejected Jimmy Carter in 1976 (first presidential election I voted in) because he had Teamster support, and the Teamsters had Mafia support.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 11, 2020, 03:39:57 PM
I remember when I learned that traffic cops get paid based on the number of citations they wrote, and that they had a quota to fill. That is absolutely ridiculous. They essentially gain from another's loss. I understand skepticism with a cop making few to no citations, but basing their income on how many tickets they write? BTW, you should be more careful driving near the end of the month. That's when they must meet their quota.
If you think that's bad, some prisons operate on a quota system (http://www.njjn.org/uploads/digital-library/Criminal-Lockup-Quota,-In-the-Public-Interest,-9.13.pdf).  In other words, the priority is on filling cells (and conspicuously, making money in the process) rather than protecting the community.

People's lives (generally) aren't ruined because of a traffic ticket and no one (generally) gets shanked because of one.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 11, 2020, 05:27:46 PM
Prison guards have a lot more ways to hurt people in their care than just beating them up.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 11, 2020, 10:39:43 PM
Prison guards have a lot more ways to hurt people in their care than just beating them up.
For real.  I recently heard that they charge inmates by the minute for reading (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/jan/13/us-states-move-to-stop-prisons-charging-inmates-for-reading-and-video-calls) on an e-reader.  Roughly 1 hour of hard labor for one minute of reading!  FFS, isn't the whole point to rehabilitate these people?

Granted, they could rent a physical copy of the book for free (I hope) - assuming the prison library has it - and it very easily might not.  That's still no excuse for price-gouging on tablets.  They don't cost much to own or maintain.  You can get some of them for less than $50 now.  And they barely use any electricity at all.  This isn't exactly a luxury item.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 12, 2020, 03:48:32 PM
My younger brother, who also happens to be an atheist, has a theory that you can predict most people's position on moral issues with one question: "If someone commits a crime which is more important: rehabilitation or punishment?"
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 12, 2020, 04:10:37 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 12, 2020, 05:20:20 PM
Dave Chappelle did a show he simply called 8:46


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tR6mKcBbT4
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 12, 2020, 08:00:55 PM
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-12/investigation-ongoing-after-young-black-man-found-hanging-from-tree-in-palmdale (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-12/investigation-ongoing-after-young-black-man-found-hanging-from-tree-in-palmdale)

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The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is investigating the death of a 24-year-old Black man who was found hanging from a tree near Palmdale City Hall earlier this week, authorities said.

Sheriff’s officials said Friday that it appeared the man died by suicide, though a full autopsy is planned.

A passerby spotted the man’s body at 3:39 a.m. Wednesday in the 38300 block of 9th Street East, according to authorities.

Emergency personnel responded to the scene and determined that the man — later identified as Robert Fuller — was dead, authorities said.

Conveniently, there just happened to be no working cameras in the area. They also declared it a suicide before any autopsy or investigation happened and are now saying they spoke too swiftly and are looking into it.

And who knows, it may 100% be a suicide, I can see someone already suicidal doing it because of it's symbolism in the current enviroment... but lynchings do still happen in the U.S. and I know there are a lot of very pissed off white people right now.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 12, 2020, 09:27:36 PM
Though, if it wasn't a suicide, would they say so?  Surely they know how the nation would react.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 13, 2020, 06:20:46 PM
And Atlanta's police chief has now resigned over the shooting in the back of an unarmed black man fleeing from police on Friday night.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/13/us/atlanta-police-shooting-rayshard-brooks.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 13, 2020, 06:21:14 PM
Though, if it wasn't a suicide, would they say so?  Surely they know how the nation would react.

Unfortunately true.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 13, 2020, 07:19:10 PM
In defense of the police alot of the "peaceful protesters" are arrogantly disrespecting the police and threatening to cause violence.

For a police man using tactics to control the mob is best because it can lead to burning of buildings and cars, unlawful land occupations, violence against other people, especially police men who's job is to be out there in the middle of the rioting. The mob or riots also block traffic. How would you feel is you need to go get supplies, groceries, and or medication and there was a wall of humans stopping you. Especially when the need is great for supplies.

You can't have tunnel vision with a issue like this.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 13, 2020, 09:48:57 PM
In defense of the police alot of the "peaceful protesters" are arrogantly disrespecting the police
Allow me to play Mad World on the world's smallest violin.

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and threatening to cause violence.
At least that one's actually a crime - communicating threats.  Though I wonder, which is worse, threatening to cause violence or actually causing violence?  Hmmm...

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For a police man using tactics to control the mob is best because it can lead to burning of buildings and cars, unlawful land occupations, violence against other people, especially police men who's job is to be out there in the middle of the rioting.
That's unlawful and wrong of course.  And it's the police's job to catch people doing such crimes.  It is not their job to pepperspray people who simply had the misfortune to be in their field of vision, to permanently blind journalists with "less lethal" rounds, or to use CS gas after agreeing to not use CS gas for a month.  It is also not the police's job to act as judge, jury, and executioner - which is the whole reason these people are protesting in the first place.

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The mob or riots also block traffic. How would you feel is you need to go get supplies, groceries, and or medication and there was a wall of humans stopping you. Especially when the need is great for supplies.
Fortunately, the police are well equipped and trained to break up such congestion with minimal harm.  They don't need to shove over grandpa and send him to the ER because he was walking away too slow and then lie and tell the world that he "tripped".

Oh, and speaking about getting groceries...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZXBSyhUwAE7r3D.jpg)

She was just getting groceries.  No "mob" did this.  The police did this.  Police who are both trained and expected to be MUCH better than that.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 13, 2020, 09:59:38 PM
Unfortunately true.
I am only speculating.  I don't know either way, of course.  Though when Floyd's autopsy result failed to mention asphyxiation  (https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/george-floyds-autopsy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/)(a rather glaring oversight) and Breonna Taylor's autopsy result lists no injuries (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-police-breonna-taylor-death-incident-report/) (she was shot at least 8 times by police and although I'm no medical expert, I'm pretty sure that getting shot counts as an injury), my level of trust has taken a bit of a hit and I've gotten to the point that I'm no longer content to merely take their word for it, though I seem to have little choice.

So I ask myself if they have a vested interest in one conclusion over another, and I surmise that they do.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 14, 2020, 05:53:19 AM
And Atlanta's police chief has now resigned over the shooting in the back of an unarmed black man fleeing from police on Friday night.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/13/us/atlanta-police-shooting-rayshard-brooks.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

What are they trying to do? I mean, really, what is it, what is the gain, what are they trying to prove? Naked agression wins?! No shit! They're trying to instill fear so build 'order' on that? It's nothing but a short cut to create a society based on crime. That's how human behaviour evolves under these circumstances. We are living through this.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 14, 2020, 08:38:45 AM
What are they trying to do? I mean, really, what is it, what is the gain, what are they trying to prove? Naked agression wins?! No shit! They're trying to instill fear so build 'order' on that? It's nothing but a short cut to create a society based on crime. That's how human behaviour evolves under these circumstances. We are living through this.

There is a political tactic called doubling down, and I think this may be part of it.  The National Rifle Association does it.  When people say, "Let's take guns off the street," the NRA says, "No. No. We should arm teachers.  Trump does it and the police are doing it, or maybe it's coincidence that there's more killing in the midst of protests calling for less killing.  Maybe the press is just being more vigilant and reporting more because it's a current hot topic, which is not very reassuring, because that would mean it happens more than is reported.  Doubling down seems most often done with aggressive actions, or in the case of politicians with an aggressive threatening demeanor.  It s bully tactic.  I'm not sure if the tactic works or not.  I'm not sure if peaceful protests even work either.  The status quo is very resistant to change, even positive change.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 14, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
Thanks. Yeah, I looked it up, it is a black jack term. It's deadly moronic. Because that means, it is not just they think anything is wrong -which we already knew- but they also think what ever they do, it won't change how people behave, live or work; how the society works in the end. Why, because they will be scared for their lives, right? I'm sure some people see 'straightforward' logic in that.

Well, wrong. It is far from it. As mentioned many times, if you break the social contract, if you shoot, harm and kill innocent people, you lose all your legitmacy which is actually more than a badge and a gun. You transform innocent people into criminals less than a couple of generations. It takes far less time than people think. Why would they obey the laws, if laws do not work for them? At some point people will start to attack each other, steal from each other and kill each other. This doesn't work like 'oh ok, that was about racial injustice, this part of life is different, I should obey the law when it comes to other stuff'.

It's a perfect recipe to create a criminal society. Perfect circumstances for gangs infesting all over, even old, traditional style mafia. I mean imagine... if this goes on like this and gets worse, would you go to the police when you are in trouble? I have been watching this movie for the last 15 years. Don't tell me, that's Middle East. It's the same fucking shit.

Well, you know all this. I am talking to myself mostly. Things are even worse in here. I keep seeing huge waves, like tsunami waves... going over people in the sea in my dreams. But it is sunny. That's really annoying. It's fucking sunny. I wish I could go completely insane and don't give a fuck about anything, anywhere.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 14, 2020, 05:31:09 PM
For the two people who think the Corona virus is a reason to stop protesting: https://www.twincities.com/2020/06/12/mn-coronavirus-george-floyd-early-test-results-show-few-protesters/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_content=fb-PioneerPress&fbclid=IwAR3ItUKkB8pKsTyjpBWRyzEg_9_cWCJkKuxWr6vZ6wzA7bv5Zgy7ILAFAIE

It actually looks like they're testing positive at a rate lower than the general population. That's 1.4% vs 3.7%. So we can't keep pretending that concern for a spike in infections is a reason to silence protests.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 14, 2020, 06:10:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmgxtcbc4iU


Facts don't care about your feelings. Sam Harris weighs in on this, and uses statistics to argue his case.

How many white people do you know who were killed by cops?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 14, 2020, 06:48:40 PM
Yeah, Sam Harris. LOL. I pumped right wing all along with the state policies, but you know I'm actually a good, neat guy. It will work because you are fucking stupid and I need to make money anyway.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 15, 2020, 12:05:10 AM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fox-news-monty-python-joke-seattle-protests-a9565506.html

Hehe.  Classic joke.  But seriously, there's a lot of violence inherent in the system.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 15, 2020, 01:40:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/fCUp2di.jpg)

So much looting and raping.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 15, 2020, 01:43:13 PM
Looting and raping--yep, that is what Seattle is noted for.  Sea food and rain (therefore, great, great flowers!) is what Seattle has, but they are really really good at looting and raping.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 15, 2020, 01:44:35 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9Lfi3jc.jpg)

Another one!  Man, bullshit central has been busy lately!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 15, 2020, 03:19:09 PM
Walking while black: teen arrested for "jaywalking" (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/tulsa-jaywalking-arrest-new-video/index.html) (walking down an otherwise empty back road with no sidewalk)

I probably jaywalk a dozen times a day (no sidewalk, large bushes right up to the curb) and never once feared that I would be thrown to the ground and handcuffed because of it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 15, 2020, 04:36:33 PM
Oh, it says the cops do that to build rapport. Now it makes sense...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 15, 2020, 04:38:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9Lfi3jc.jpg)

Another one!  Man, bullshit central has been busy lately!
Hell, they're only just getting started.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 15, 2020, 04:40:24 PM
Hey Mike, I didn't know flowers like seafood!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 15, 2020, 04:51:40 PM
Hey Mike, I didn't know flowers like seafood!
Flowers love seafood!!  bury a salmon and put some flowers on them--the flowers simply love salmon.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 15, 2020, 09:42:48 PM
I want to kind of put this out here.  I will state up front that I am perfectly aware that it is a statement that can easily be interpreted as privilege, or as naïveté.

The practical upshot is, the idea of judging someone on the basis of the color of their skin is genuinely completely alien to me.  I mean, genuinely inconceivable.  In my home town, the schools have always been integrated, the "races" (a bullshit term, we're all homo sapiens) always went to school together and hung out together.  One of my favorite pictures of my grandfather is of his high school basketball team in the 1930s -- and it was fully integrated.  I know of no reports of other teams in the league refusing to play us because our team reflected the local population.

Yes, in my home town, Poles lived near Poles.  Slovaks lived near Slovaks.  Ukrainians lived near Ukrainians.  And everyone else lived near everyone else.  Because of language, though, not because of racism.  And even that wasn't really a hard and fast rule.  We're Polish, but we lived in the Slovak part of town, and went to the Slovak Catholic church (SS Cyril & Methodius), due to conflicts with the Polish Catholic Church (S Mary Magdalene) that my parents have never, even nearly 60 years later, explained.

But fundamentally, there was never a time in my life we didn't have non-white people over to my parents' house, or visiting friends in the (so called) 'Black' part of town.

It is genuinely inconceivable to me to think of someone as lesser for as stupid a reason as the color of their skin.

Eight of the thirteen people in my department are African-American, and one is Indian-American (as in India, not as in Native American).  My boss and my grandboss are white women, and my great-grandboss is a black woman.  Of those 16 people, I am the only male.

I genuinely give zero fucks about that.  My boss, and my boss' boss, and my boss' boss' boss are excellent people.  My co-workers are without exception excellent people.  One of them refers to me as her 'office husband' despite the facts that she's black and I'm white, that she's married to a preacher, and that I'm gay (which she knows).

It's a glorious agglomeration of people just being people, and isn't that really what equality means on all fronts?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on June 15, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
Sadly, the George Floyd protests have already gone off script.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 15, 2020, 11:37:38 PM
Sadly, the George Floyd protests have already gone off script.

?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 15, 2020, 11:40:22 PM
In photo: The face of one of the right-wing terrorist groups, the New Mexico Civil Guard, who just shoot a protester in Albuquerque.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EamXOIqVAAAUdFB?format=jpg&name=large)

Notice a surprising lack of knees to the throat and bullets in him. But a guy who just shot someone isn't really as threatening as a guy handcuffed and thrown on the ground, so it makes sense.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 15, 2020, 11:52:51 PM
The practical upshot is, the idea of judging someone on the basis of the color of their skin is genuinely completely alien to me.  I mean, genuinely inconceivable.  In my home town, the schools have always been integrated, the "races" (a bullshit term, we're all homo sapiens) always went to school together and hung out together.
Sadly, that has not been my experience.

My area has been integrated, sort of.  But people tend to clump together by race from kids to adults - in schools there's a lot of racial clustering and there's an affluent "white" side of town and a poorer "black" side of town.  Things are better than they used to be - my dad recalls race riots during his youth and the community had "maid toilets" from long, long ago - I've personally used one of them as a kid - no one could dissuade me without revealing the actual intent.  And I've rather disliked a few people in my extended family because they were very much "heritage not hate" types who revealed their true colors with their particular brand of off-color humor.

There were a few misconceptions that I had to unlearn early in my teens.  Star Trek was extremely influential for me and helped to erase tribal tendencies.  As an adult, I've been fortunate to work alongside lots of different people and I've seen both highs and lows - people who were very anti-racist and people who were very racist.  It's funny, the most racist guy I ever worked with was an asian Indian redneck who hated "#%aboos" (I'd rather not say the whole word, it should be forgotten) and told me that that was just another word for a jerk and very nearly convinced me to join him (I had never heard that word before).  The irony of his situation was that white racists would no doubt give him the same treatment.  Where does it end?  That highlighted to me the great evil of racism, racism is a snake eating its own tail - a cycle of hatred that harms all in turn.  And one of the least racist people I worked with was a very kind and amiable lady.  Turns out she was adopted and lived in a mixed-race household.  Truly, an amazing person.

I've seen people being racist and I've also seen the inverse, false accusations of racism to try to hurt someone else.  One workforce formed cliques and had a really nasty power struggle and two particularly rotten people in their own clique tried to blame everything on racism.  If customers complained about them, it was because they were racist.  If coworkers complained about them, it was because they were racist.  Everything was racism and everyone else was racist.  It was pretty reprehensible, since calling wolf like that just makes actual racism more difficult to address.  Suffice it to say that they eventually were found out, though not before causing a lot of damage on the way out.

I also overheard someone complain that their friend's friend is "acting white" or "an oreo" which my dumb ass didn't even register as a racial put-down until someone said that it wasn't meant to offend me.  After literally a couple minutes of wondering why would I be offended, I finally figured it out.  That stuff is super toxic, imo.

I much prefer the internet to the real word, where people don't necessarily know what race you are and therefore can't prejudge you in that way.

It's funny, one of my favorite fictional series basically has Space Nazis fighting blue alien commies and that whole series is stuffed to bursting with xenophobia, authoritarianism, and religious zealotry but the idea of racism between humans is utterly inconceivable to them.  Maybe humanity just needs a nice big interstellar war to get this infantile racism stuff out of our system.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 16, 2020, 12:08:44 AM

The practical upshot is, the idea of judging someone on the basis of the color of their skin is genuinely completely alien to me.  I mean, genuinely inconceivable.  In my home town, the schools have always been integrated, the "races" (a bullshit term, we're all homo sapiens) always went to school together and hung out together.  One of my favorite pictures of my grandfather is of his high school basketball team in the 1930s -- and it was fully integrated.  I know of no reports of other teams in the league refusing to play us because our team reflected the local population.

Yes, in my home town, Poles lived near Poles.  Slovaks lived near Slovaks.  Ukrainians lived near Ukrainians.  And everyone else lived near everyone else.  Because of language, though, not because of racism.  And even that wasn't really a hard and fast rule.  We're Polish, but we lived in the Slovak part of town, and went to the Slovak Catholic church (SS Cyril & Methodius), due to conflicts with the Polish Catholic Church (S Mary Magdalene) that my parents have never, even nearly 60 years later, explained.

But fundamentally, there was never a time in my life we didn't have non-white people over to my parents' house, or visiting friends in the (so called) 'Black' part of town.

It is genuinely inconceivable to me to think of someone as lesser for as stupid a reason as the color of their skin.

I grew up in a very different environment. I went to public school in the mountains of NC and kindergarten through high school we had zero racial minorities in my classes, except for the white kids who swore they were some fraction of Cherokee. My mother was overtly racist and moved through the world guided by stereotypes. My father, like us kids, was embarrassed by her attitude. I never had to seriously think about racism growing up because everyone I interacted with was white. My attitude towards black people was informed by '70s television. I was extremely naive. I was the "color-blind" white person and I'm trying to become better educated. I'm currently reading "How to Be an Antiracist" by Ibram X Kendi and I admit parts of it are challenging. Half of my coworkers are black, my boss is a black man, and we all get along but I know they experience the world in a way I don't.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 16, 2020, 03:04:27 AM

Texts show police in Oregon were in contact with far-right protesters. It was in Salem where Proud Boys recently beat two gay men and then were coddled by the police departments and told to move out of the way so they could start firing on peaceful protesters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-official-texts-show-collusion-between-police-far-right-extremists-n971926 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oregon-official-texts-show-collusion-between-police-far-right-extremists-n971926)

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PORTLAND, Ore. — A member of Portland's city council said Thursday a newspaper's report that the commander for the police rapid response team exchanged friendly text messages with a leader of far-right protests that have rocked the city confirms collusion exists between some police and right-wing extremists.

"I am not shocked, and I am not surprised at today's reporting of Lt. Jeff Niiya's collaboration with Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson over text to provide aid and support for their hate marches," Councilwoman Jo Ann Hardesty said in a statement.

Willamette Week obtained text messages through a public records request between Niiya and Gibson. The texts purportedly show Niiya had a friendly rapport with Gibson, frequently discussing Gibson's plans to demonstrate.

In one text reported by the newspaper, Niiya tells Gibson that he doesn't see a need to arrest his assistant, Tusitala Toese, who often brawls with antifascist protesters, even if he has a warrant, unless Toese commits a new crime.

"Just make sure he doesn't do anything which may draw our attention," Niiya texted Gibson on Dec. 9, 2017, Willamette Week reported. "If he still has the warrant in the system (I don't run you guys so I don't personally know) the officers could arrest him. I don't see a need to arrest on the warrant unless there is a reason."

This is a pretty common occurance, apparently.

California police worked with neo-Nazis to pursue 'anti-racist' activists (two years ago)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest)

Detroit police chief faces backlash over neo-Nazi protest at Pride event (last year)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/14/detroit-pride-festival-neo-nazi-police-protection-backlash (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/14/detroit-pride-festival-neo-nazi-police-protection-backlash)

The NYPD didn’t arrest members of a right-wing gang who beat a man in Manhattan
https://qz.com/1423570/proud-boys-members-werent-arrested-after-violently-assaulting-a-man-in-new-york/ (https://qz.com/1423570/proud-boys-members-werent-arrested-after-violently-assaulting-a-man-in-new-york/)

Militarized cops at Georgia Neo-Nazi rally arrest Counter-protesters for wearing masks (1 year ago)
https://www.theatlantavoice.com/articles/militarized-cops-at-georgia-neo-nazi-rally-arrest-counter-protesters-for-wearing-masks/ (https://www.theatlantavoice.com/articles/militarized-cops-at-georgia-neo-nazi-rally-arrest-counter-protesters-for-wearing-masks/)

Right-Wing Extremist Group Had Booth at Urban Shield (Police meet-and-greet, basically) ‘To Explain Who They Are’
https://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2017/09/15/right-wing-extremist-group-had-booth-at-urban-shield-to-explain-who-they-are (https://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2017/09/15/right-wing-extremist-group-had-booth-at-urban-shield-to-explain-who-they-are)



Again, it's the far-leftists (like those bus loads being shipped into cities that don't actually exist) you have to look out for. Feelings don't care about your facts.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 16, 2020, 02:48:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Y0lvp6G_4

Also, they're using aircraft in domestic spying operations (https://www.oregonlive.com/nation/2020/06/law-enforcement-is-using-aircraft-to-collect-cell-phone-other-data-on-protesters-chilling-1st-amendment-rights-dem-lawmakers.html), gathering cell phone data without any sort of probable cause or oversight.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 16, 2020, 03:35:32 PM
Officials are looking further into two hanging deaths (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/us/palmdale-hanging-investigation/index.html)

Imo, the Fuller case was extremely premature:  "The signs seemed to point in the direction of suicide, but the cause and manner of death were never officially determined as officials await further investigation and toxicology reports."

I have to ask, why was it officially labelled a suicide when the cause and manner of the death were never officially determined?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 16, 2020, 04:50:40 PM
STOP. I've been in this forum for a decade. Amnesia? Really?

Those scumbags are the American people which includes most of you who repeatedly expressed their thoughts over the years here in overwhelming majority, they are you.

-dem blacks going too far away,

-lgbt+ people are narcissists,

-dem women are going too far away,

The majority's reaction to any portests to black people killed by the cops was the same as the 'oh property damage' people just a few years ago. We have been there! People of this forum kept digging up statistics of black crime! Please dig down...oh the black crime!

You have been through this. And what was said by the majority then is the thing condemned now. Just a few years ago guys.

The reason? Trump.

Why? Because he is a threat to all of you. And you guys are writing love letters on how you grew up in diversity. I am sure a few of you did.

PERSPECTIVE. This struggle is not some opportunity for the privileged to feel 'acquitted'. Because if you are at that age and have lived a place like that you are fucking privileged and so the black and gay people in your community. There is no such thing. 

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 16, 2020, 08:20:12 PM
Kinda relevant. The hoops Conservatives will jump through, just to dismiss any discussion of race, sexuality, etc.

"Gay people. Also, too many black people, too many female leads, religious minorities, etc. If they exist in a movie or game or whatever, it's called 'politics.'"

"But don't those people exist in real life?"

"Umm, if it's real life, it's not politics. But if they're in media, it IS politics."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz4Sj_10rC4
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 16, 2020, 09:53:58 PM
Steven Carrillo, one of two "Boogaloo" extremists who traveled to Oakland to murder police and blame it on BLM. They murdered an African American federal officer, Dave Underwood, who conservatives immediately jumped on to say that the protests had no credibility and was an excuse to discredit the entire BLM movement. 

(https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_24/3383746/200608-sgt-steven-carrillo-ew-610p_45fb25cbe94e0d0530322ee90e1c8915.fit-360w.jpg)


Another right-wing terrorist murderer, just adding to the statistic that the overwhelmingly majority of terrorist attacks in the United States are carried out by right-wing terrorists, in a country run by right-wing extremists (by Western standards, anyways).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 16, 2020, 10:56:14 PM
Steven Carrillo, one of two "Boogaloo" extremists who traveled to Oakland to murder police and blame it on BLM. They murdered an African American federal officer, Dave Underwood, who conservatives immediately jumped on to say that the protests had no credibility and was an excuse to discredit the entire BLM movement. 

Another right-wing terrorist murderer, just adding to the statistic that the overwhelmingly majority of terrorist attacks in the United States are carried out by right-wing terrorists, in a country run by right-wing extremists (by Western standards, anyways).
Yaknow, at this point I'm inclined to have ACAB stand for 'All Conservatives Are Bastards'...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 16, 2020, 11:33:28 PM
Yaknow, at this point I'm inclined to have ACAB stand for 'All Conservatives Are Bastards'...

You know I used to think that Conservatives, like Democrats, honestly wanted what they believed was good for the country, and that their perspectives were worth considering in debates. But ever since Trump took office, the GOP has fucking lost it. They have no standards. There's nothing their orange dictator could do that they wouldn't try to justify or dismiss as "fake news." They'll even go so far as to contradict their own values when Trump says so. Trump says something against a veteran? Well, we love veterans, but Trump says he's stupid, so he must be stupid.

Republicans don't deserve a place at the table any more. Kick them out. Give Libertarians their spot.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 16, 2020, 11:41:51 PM
You know I used to think that Conservatives, like Democrats, honestly wanted what they believed was good for the country, and that their perspectives were worth considering in debates. But ever since Trump took office, the GOP has fucking lost it. They have no standards. There's nothing their orange dictator could do that they wouldn't try to justify or dismiss as "fake news." They'll even go so far as to contradict their own values when Trump says so. Trump says something against a veteran? Well, we love veterans, but Trump says he's stupid, so he must be stupid.

Republicans don't deserve a place at the table any more. Kick them out. Give Libertarians their spot.

Uhhh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcllE7fx8-I



"Feels like i'm watching GTA V television lol"


I'm sure there is a conservative third party out there somewhere who actually would make good politicians, but the capital L Libertarians sure as hell aint it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 16, 2020, 11:45:27 PM
Yaknow, at this point I'm inclined to have ACAB stand for 'All Conservatives Are Bastards'...

Wow... you are so creative! And sensitive!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 16, 2020, 11:51:36 PM
Uhhh...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcllE7fx8-I



"Feels like i'm watching GTA V television lol"


I'm sure there is a conservative third party out there somewhere who actually would make good politicians, but the capital L Libertarians sure as hell aint it.

At least they don't have a Trump.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 17, 2020, 12:06:40 AM
Remind me to make proposal for an anonymous button for "I agree with you but I don't have the balls to like your post becuase you know people will see it" situation. Because I have difficulty with liking some posts. It's a problem for me as a foreigner. I need help.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 17, 2020, 12:10:51 AM
I mean, Jesus Christ. When it becomes political to say bad things about Nazis, the one group that we've universally agreed to be the bad guys since World War II, you know you done fucked up. I don't understand how we got to this point. We have a two-party system where one of those parties looks on as police treat American citizens like cattle, like they've been saying for years was going to happen under Democratic leadership, and they're okay with that? I mean, Jesus Christ. If you support the NRA, this is your once in a lifetime golden opportunity to say, "See! I told you so! The government is oppressing us! This is why we need to stockpile our weapons, so we can fight back against the government, if we need to!" But nope. The police aren't targeting them, so they're cool with it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 17, 2020, 12:23:17 AM
Let's talk about this when you can't call them 'Nazis'. I mean when it becomes illegal to call them Nazis; or becomes some case to sue you. Which is the very point of the Nazis. If it is as bad as you say it is...it will happen at some point. Which I really don't think so. Not the events of course. So may be we should relax.

But then when I'm thinking... you all would burn the house for a spider of the size of your hand.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 17, 2020, 01:21:32 AM
But then when I'm thinking... you all would burn the house for a spider of the size of your hand.
It's the only way to be sure. ;)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 17, 2020, 02:44:15 AM
Let's talk about this when you can't call them 'Nazis'. I mean when it becomes illegal to call them Nazis; or becomes some case to sue you. Which is the very point of the Nazis. If it is as bad as you say it is...it will happen at some point. Which I really don't think so. Not the events of course. So may be we should relax.

But then when I'm thinking... you all would burn the house for a spider of the size of your hand.

I'm not talking about figurative Nazis. I mean literal, self-proclaimed Nazis. Hell, when the Wolfenstein soft-reboot came out a few years ago, Conservatives took offense to it, because it's a game where you shoot Nazis. How the fuck did it become controversial to hate Nazis?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 17, 2020, 04:33:22 AM
What do you think would happen? There have never been any real protests in any period of history, anywhere around the world without riots or looting happening besides it. Unfortunately, this is how real protests look like. People die, buildings get burned down. Nobody 'defends' it. Nobody is defending it now. It's the usual outcome of a mass of people going out with rage.

You have never been in a protest in your life, have you? One person is enough for this to happen while tens of thousands go there with good intents. And with this particular issue, with a rage like this? What are they going to do, throw flowers around?

All the politicians are talking about the same thing because it is their job and they worry about the order. Nobody is trying to address these protests from a required point of view and trying to calm these people at least with a promise of justice.

Charged with third degree murder? Are you fucking kidding me? Third degree is manslaughter. This is NOT manslaughter, this is premediated murder with malicious intent. Manslaughter doesn't even include intent to kill. A 12 year old kid can tell the difference. Do you know the difference between manslaughter and first degree murder?

I swear, right wingers like those small annoying dogs. Yap yap yap dey're burniing down buildingsss yap yap yap... viooolence...yap yap yap...

On the other hand, can you even imagine for a second what would happen if a white man killed by a few black cops the way George Floyd was killed?




Yet these protesters are violent  with hatred in their eyes. You can't fight hatred with hate it only leads to more hatred and destruction. You don't have to be a right winger to see the terror of this situation. The violent protestors are getting away with vandalism, property damage, and looting while promoting a left facist movement to destroy anything that offends them, and or associated with black people like abolitionist John Greenleaf Whittier or a statue of Thomas Jefferson.
Destroying recent statues I can understand but old ones? There is now escalate movement to remove statues of two of the great founders of America because they owned slaves:Jefferson and Washington and even remove Rushmore. When will it end? Only by violence apparently.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 17, 2020, 06:43:29 AM
I'm not talking about figurative Nazis. I mean literal, self-proclaimed Nazis. Hell, when the Wolfenstein soft-reboot came out a few years ago, Conservatives took offense to it, because it's a game where you shoot Nazis. How the fuck did it become controversial to hate Nazis?

I know. So am I. I mean those people will sue everyone for the smallest things, openly threat people to wipe them out with no consequences. And people won't be able to sue them. This is one of the stops on the road. (Sorry the English I have used is bad up there.)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 17, 2020, 01:20:22 PM
It's the only way to be sure. ;)

LOL...There was a meme for this, right?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 17, 2020, 08:59:20 PM
The Great  Antifa Hysteria, or as George Carlin said... "It's all bullshit, folks, and it's bad for ya."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/opinion/antifa-protests.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/opinion/antifa-protests.html)

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Antifa, short for anti-fascists, hasn’t killed anyone and appears to have been only a marginal presence in Black Lives Matter protests. None of those arrested on serious federal charges related to the unrest have been linked to antifa.

Race-baiting extremists have also tried to manipulate public fears. One Twitter account purportedly run by an antifa group, @Antifa_US, announced on May 31 that “tonight’s the night … we move into the residential areas … the white hoods … and we take what’s ours.” But Twitter said that the account was actually run by white supremacists posing as antifa.

These antifa panics are where racism and hysteria intersect, in a nation that has more guns than people. They arise when a lying president takes every opportunity not to heal our national divisions but to stoke them, when people live in a news ecosystem that provides no reality check but inflames prejudices and feeds fears.

You might think that this kind of hysteria would be self-correcting: Citizens would see that no antifa people show up and then realize that they had been manipulated by people who treat them as dummies. But the narrative actually gaining traction in some quarters is that guns forced the antifa to back off.

NBC News, which has published excellent accounts of this hysteria, quoted one armed “defender” of the remote town of Klamath Falls, Ore., as initially saying that antifa warriors were on the way “to burn everything and to kill white people.”

After none showed up, a local bar owner said on Facebook that he was proud of the armed turnout and boasted that antifa activists had been repelled because they “walked into a hornet’s nest.”


People are legitimately getting hurt, getting killed, over this fear mongering. We have right-wing terrorists using this "leftist" fear to carry out attacks on police, LGBT+ and African American communities and blaming it on the protesters (thankfully they tend to also be fucking idiots and get caught).

And yet we actually have people here who legitimately think this is the bigger threat, and that boggles my mind.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 17, 2020, 09:04:43 PM
Yeah,  Shiranu, it boggles my mind too.  But that seems to be life with the orange monster.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 17, 2020, 09:14:12 PM
Yet these protesters are violent  with hatred in their eyes.
Well, *something* in their eyes... (https://www.insider.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-journalists-hurt-disabled-police-rubber-bullets-2020-6)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on June 18, 2020, 01:27:36 AM
Well I make my own pancake batter and prefer real maple syrup and I like my rice basmati, not converted. Crap is bad for us anyways, LOL. Stereotyping is insidious to our nature and should be resisted.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 18, 2020, 04:31:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZjmlJPJgug
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 18, 2020, 05:15:52 AM
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/la-me-rosamond-shooting-sheriff

Terron Boone, the brother of George Fueller (African American found lynched last week) was shot and killed by police today.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 18, 2020, 05:34:42 AM
I have seen a piece about more recent black deaths suspected as lynchings. But there is nothing substantial on it. There are no news about Fueller you can reach by common search, if you don't look for it. And then a couple.

I think the States have never seen this level of censorship in its modern history. I've been told that it is because I don't have any social media account but NO. A big NO. I haven had one several years ago either. Everything used to explode to your face after typing a word.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 18, 2020, 05:48:00 AM
I have seen a piece about more recent black deaths suspected as lynchings. But there is nothing substantial on it. There are no news about Fueller you can reach by common search, if you don't look for it. And then a couple.

I think the States have never seen this level of censorship in its modern history. I've been told that it is because I don't have any social media account but NO. A big NO. I haven had one several years ago either. Everything used to explode to your face after typing a word.

Yep, censorship is so incredibly easy today, I really think it could be done without anyone having a clue. Just a few little tweaks to algorithms on the most popular search engines, and an entire realm of information could be cut off from anyone who doesn't know the specific information to look for.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 18, 2020, 06:16:01 AM
It's useless to converse with people who see 'damage property' in all this; think that the destruction of statues proves something different. Mostly, they are sure nothing is going to happen to them. Because you know, fanatic right wingers are known to stop at some point when they gain power, right? Especially, KKK and Neo Nazi groups are known with their respect for human life in any group of belief, culture and skin colour, right? 

I swear it is like the beginning of a whole new kind of Fear the Walking Dead all over the world. There are some terrible things going on far far away beyond the hills but nobody is jumping to eat my face here, so it has nothing to do with me. So stop these people, they're destroying property.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 18, 2020, 06:29:39 AM
Yep, censorship is so incredibly easy today, I really think it could be done without anyone having a clue. Just a few little tweaks to algorithms on the most popular search engines, and an entire realm of information could be cut off from anyone who doesn't know the specific information to look for.

Yeah I get it. In İstanbul a crowded group of Nigerians got in to a fight getting out of a nighclub at night. There were some other events. It's pretty much a like street battle. Fucking piece of shits keep harassing and provoking black people and other minorities. Syrians were the usual target but now...this is new. Guess which internet platforms have been effective to fuel the common racism? I wrote a post about it before...Mansophere, red pill groups...etc. 

Nothing in the news but only 'they turned the streets to a war zone' bullshit. Couple of groups managed to get it out by giving them a voice. Making them tell how people keep harassing them daily. But who pays attention, really. 

So the censorhip problem is much deeper than tweaking a few algorithms, imo. Autocensorhip is the most dangerous form of it. It's in people's brains.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 18, 2020, 11:28:58 AM
I have seen a piece about more recent black deaths suspected as lynchings. But there is nothing substantial on it. There are no news about Fueller you can reach by common search, if you don't look for it. And then a couple.

I think the States have never seen this level of censorship in its modern history. I've been told that it is because I don't have any social media account but NO. A big NO. I haven had one several years ago either. Everything used to explode to your face after typing a word.

CIA/FBI has controlled all media since 1963.  Including Facebook, Google (YouTube) and Wikipedia.  What is shown is what serves their COINTELPRO.  This was officially and belatedly legalized by President Obama.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 18, 2020, 01:05:13 PM
One of my coworkers, who is out due to suspected COVID infection, said her 7-year-old daughter has been crying hysterically whenever she sees pictures of George Floyd and is terrified she and her mom will be killed because they are black. She can't sleep at night because she is afraid someone is going to break into the house and shoot them. My coworker is going to take her to a therapist. The COVID pandemic and social unrest are difficult for adults to cope with and can be overwhelming for children.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 18, 2020, 02:16:30 PM
One of my coworkers, who is out due to suspected COVID infection, said her 7-year-old daughter has been crying hysterically whenever she sees pictures of George Floyd and is terrified she and her mom will be killed because they are black. She can't sleep at night because she is afraid someone is going to break into the house and shoot them. My coworker is going to take her to a therapist. The COVID pandemic and social unrest are difficult for adults to cope with and can be overwhelming for children.

I am horrified that the Dam-Anti-Semites will push me in an oven, alive, like their CCP allies did to old people in Wuhan.  But since I am an adult, I am better able to control my hysteria.  In Germany the paranoia was against the Jews.  In America it is against the Whites.  Fascism is a bad idea.

Paranoia is a disease, not a political platform.  Millions of White Americans are terrified, that their "wet" Dem administrations will throw them to the Black-Left criminals, to turn their towns into Detroit.  I don't think it is true, but this blade has two sides.  Push this shit, and I will get what I want ... dead D and R voters ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 18, 2020, 07:12:42 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2020, 01:50:37 AM
BLM= $100 million per year from Soros.  Ally of AntiFa.  It is a terrorist political party.  Blacks are trying to make Wakanda into a myth based religion.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 19, 2020, 02:34:12 PM
BLM= $100 million per year from Soros.  Ally of AntiFa.  It is a terrorist political party.  Blacks are trying to make Wakanda into a myth based religion.

You do realize the Soros story is an antisemitic conspiracy theory, right? You're making as much sense as a gay guy who's against Pride Month.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 19, 2020, 03:00:20 PM
4th suicide by hanging of a black man in the US (https://globalnews.ca/news/7074740/black-man-hanging-texas/) recently.

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"Malcolm Harsch, 38, was found hanging from a tree near the homeless encampment he was living in in Victorville, California, on May 31. Ten days later and 50 miles away, 24-year-old Robert Fuller was found in a similar manner across the street from City Hall in Palmdale, California. Across the country, 27-year-old Bronx resident Dominique Alexander was found hanging from a tree in a Manhattan park on June 9. And on Tuesday in Houston, Texas, an unidentified Black teenager was found hanged to death outside of an elementary school."
This could all be coincidental, we are living in an economic depression/pandemic and certainly a very stressful time, especially for black people right now who suffer more from economic downturns and the long hood of law enforcement.

Even so, it definitely raises eyebrows.  Especially because in the Fuller case, the family insisted that he wasn't suicidal and that he had attended a BLM protest just two days prior.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 19, 2020, 03:13:45 PM
Remember the officer who went to an apartment for a no-knock warrant, went in guns blazing and gunned down an innocent person?  Well, just a scant 3-months and change later, he's finally fired (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/metro-government/2020/06/19/breonna-taylor-protests-brett-hankison-fired-lmpd/3222004001/).  Not charged, just fired.  One wonders what would have happened if there hadn't been public outcry about this.

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Hankison is accused by the department's interim chief, Robert Schroeder, of "blindly" firing 10 rounds into Taylor's apartment, creating a substantial danger of death and serious injury.
Imo "danger of death" is a rather euphemistic way to describe actual death.  It'd be like calling juggling chainsaws and lopping off my own hands "danger of dismemberment".  When the hands are on the floor, it's no longer potential dismemberment, it's actual dismemberment.

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The other two officers who fired their weapons at Taylor's apartment — Sgt. Jonathan Mattingly and Officer Myles Cosgrove — remain on administrative reassignment.
For those not up on the five-O lingo, "administrative reassignment" is paid leave.  The sort of thing most of us wish we got for surgeries or pregnancy.  For the police, it's something you get when you gun down an innocent person.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 19, 2020, 04:03:13 PM
4th suicide by hanging of a black man in the US (https://globalnews.ca/news/7074740/black-man-hanging-texas/) recently.
This could all be coincidental, we are living in an economic depression/pandemic and certainly a very stressful time, especially for black people right now who suffer more from economic downturns and the long hood of law enforcement.

Even so, it definitely raises eyebrows.  Especially because in the Fuller case, the family insisted that he wasn't suicidal and that he had attended a BLM protest just two days prior.

If I was going to kill myself, hanging myself in a tree, in a public place, reminiscent of how people used to lynch my ancestors, would be the last method I'd resort to. And this is supposedly how four people (and possibly more in the future) are choosing to end their lives? Yeah, no. This is fishy as hell.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 19, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
If I was going to kill myself, hanging myself in a tree, in a public place, reminiscent of how people used to lynch my ancestors, would be the last method I'd resort to. And this is supposedly how four people (and possibly more in the future) are choosing to end their lives? Yeah, no. This is fishy as hell.
Well, hanging is a pretty common suicide method and trees are apparently a popular place for that.  In 2018, 48,344 Americans died by suicide.  That's 132 per day.  28.6% were suffocation, with hanging being far and away the most popular.  That's somewhere around 38 hangings per day.  So a rash of suicides like that wouldn't be that much out of the norm.

What is fishy to me is that it at least one of them was labelled as a suicide prematurely.  That's hella suspicious.

And the half brother of Fuller was just recently shot and killed by the police (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/18/california-police-shooting-brother-robert-fuller), which strikes me as a rather odd rash of misfortune for that family.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2020, 05:06:34 PM
You do realize the Soros story is an antisemitic conspiracy theory, right? You're making as much sense as a gay guy who's against Pride Month.

No, KKK today, is a communist conspiracy theory.  Got Nazis under your bed?  Why is Soros stuff banned in his home country, Hungary?  Why is Soros' nephew married to Chelsea Clinton?  Wealthy people saw what Saudis etc get away with, and wanted the same "millionaire privs".

Soros is like all millionaires ... Caligula at heart.  If you don't think so, you are a maid, butler, chauffeur or pool boy working your ass off for them ;-).  Enjoying the good life like Westworld.  That is what Bill and Hillary were doing at Epstein's ranch here in NM, getting a little evil out of their systems.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 19, 2020, 05:10:24 PM
You do realize the Soros story is an antisemitic conspiracy theory, right? You're making as much sense as a gay guy who's against Pride Month.
Are you really expecting Baruch to be making any sort of sense???? Sort of like expecting to Trump to start telling the truth. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2020, 05:11:13 PM
Are you really expecting Baruch to be making any sort of sense???? Sort of like expecting to Trump to start telling the truth.

Is that you Chairman Xi, Emperor of China?  Han Master Race!! (fist bump while LARPing as Chinese)

"Real Life Supervillain Rises in the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ), Phoenix Jones Turns Evil" ... "the first as tragedy, then as farce" ... the Hippie culture of the 60s (a tragedy) returns ... as a farce.

What is your truth, MikeCL? (rhetorical question).  We agree on Bible analysis.  So I must be crazy too ;-)  How much of the political-economy is just a primitive "cargo cult"?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 19, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0fqIWKb.png)

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/06/19/us/ap-us-mountain-town-military-vehicle.html

When people talk about "defunding" the police, this is what they're talking about.  That and not keeping serial abusers or murders on taxpayer payroll.  Teachers have to reach into their wallet for school supplies for their classroom and 1 out of 5 people in the area live in poverty, meanwhile the PD is amassing a fortune in military hardware.

This particular vehicle was a donation (apparently due to an inflated military budget), so it was "free" in the sense that taxpayers paid for it years ago and for an entirely different purpose.  Those sorts of vehicles are definitely not free to maintain, and take a guess who's going to foot the bill for that.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 19, 2020, 10:01:06 PM
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This particular vehicle was a donation (apparently due to an inflated military budget), so it was "free" in the sense that taxpayers paid for it years ago and for an entirely different purpose.  Those sorts of vehicles are definitely not free to maintain, and take a guess who's going to foot the bill for that.

While slightly off-topic, if we have so much expensive surplus that we give shitloads of it to our police departments... do we really need billion dollar increases every year to the military budget?


Perhaps my understanding of economics and business is just really poor, and that's actually amazing business (besides for the arms manufactures, obviously).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2020, 11:47:07 PM
While slightly off-topic, if we have so much expensive surplus that we give shitloads of it to our police departments... do we really need billion dollar increases every year to the military budget?


Perhaps my understanding of economics and business is just really poor, and that's actually amazing business (besides for the arms manufactures, obviously).

Three Problems ...

#1 Military-Industrial Complex keeps the economy going, since there is only so much schlock you can get consumers to buy.
#2 Having the Military-Industrial Complex leads to politicians (starting my my lifetime, with LBJ) thinking they can use it to "look tough".
#3 "Looking tough" not only takes foreign lives and young American lives, but it really pisses off other countries.

So why the Hell, do liberals want a different set of "targets" to go pound, compared to conservatives ... instead of being against targeting people in the first place?  In th 80s (was it just partisan convenience?) liberals were anti-war.  Now they can't get enough of that war profiteering (I see you Joe Biden etc).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 20, 2020, 12:01:15 AM
While slightly off-topic, if we have so much expensive surplus that we give shitloads of it to our police departments... do we really need billion dollar increases every year to the military budget?
Absolutely not.  And it's no coincidence that education and healthcare (which disproportionately help the poor) are severely underfunded but the prison-industrial complex and the military-industrial complex (which disproportionately use and abuse the poor) are overfunded.  It's all tied together.

Death by cop is just the tip of the iceberg poking out of the water.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 20, 2020, 12:06:14 AM
Absolutely not.  And it's no coincidence that education and healthcare (which disproportionately help the poor) are severely underfunded but the prison-industrial complex and the military-industrial complex (which disproportionately use and abuse the poor) are overfunded.  It's all tied together.

Death by cop is just the tip of the iceberg poking out of the water.

Cry me a river.  Og in the Paleolithic, had a big club, beat your Beta ass, and took your woman!  We are simply more sophisticated, not improved.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 20, 2020, 01:58:12 AM
Protestors take down 2 confederate statues in Raleigh NC (https://abc11.com/society/demonstrators-hang-confederate-statue-in-downtown-raleigh/6256848/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzMaHXQ4ADs

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One Confederate statue is now hanging from a light post along W. Hargett Street and another on the steps of the Wake County courthouse.

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As heavy rains moved into downtown Raleigh, crowds began to disperse from the scene.

Police have since removed the statue from the light pole and the front of the Wake County courthouse.

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In a message to the city of Raleigh Pittman said this, "It would be wise to the city of Raleigh, any other Confederate monuments you may have, if you do not want them destroyed, from the people, it would be wise for you to move them off of the grounds and put them in private property."
I don't suppose there's a Runner-up Hall of Fame willing to take them in?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 20, 2020, 04:46:19 AM
https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/19/lasd-deputies-shoot-kill-security-guard-gardena-andres-guardado/ (https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/06/19/lasd-deputies-shoot-kill-security-guard-gardena-andres-guardado/)

Conflicting story between the LAPD and the witnesses...

1. The police say that, when he saw them, he flashed a gun at them and began running down an alley way, where he was eventually shot in the back.
2. Witnesses say he was talking to some girls in a car, and the cops pulled over and approached him with guns drawn.He took off down the alley, then got to his knees when they yelled at him. Once on the ground they shot him 7 times in the back.

At that point of the story, it's really just who you would rather believe and how comfortable you are with anyone being shot in the back. If you trust LAPD even if they said the sky was blue, I am concerned for you.

Luckily, we have video evidence of what happened... or rather, should...

https://twitter.com/el_tragon_de_LA/status/1274118743661047808 (https://twitter.com/el_tragon_de_LA/status/1274118743661047808)

The police broke the cameras at the scene and confiscated the DVR, so any film directly at the scene is either destroyed or in police custody. Now they are acquiring written warrants to seize cameras from all the stores around the scene of the crime.

Because nothing says innocence like destroying all evidence.

These mother fuckers aren't learning a god damned thing.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on June 20, 2020, 07:33:09 AM
Protestors take down 2 confederate statues in Raleigh NC (https://abc11.com/society/demonstrators-hang-confederate-statue-in-downtown-raleigh/6256848/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzMaHXQ4ADs
I don't suppose there's a Runner-up Hall of Fame willing to take them in?

I give that swan dive 10 points. My town has a statue of 'ole colonel angus.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 20, 2020, 07:37:00 AM
Protestors take down 2 confederate statues in Raleigh NC (https://abc11.com/society/demonstrators-hang-confederate-statue-in-downtown-raleigh/6256848/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzMaHXQ4ADs
I don't suppose there's a Runner-up Hall of Fame willing to take them in?

Funny how people who scream about participation trophies now cry that they are having theirs taken away from them.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 20, 2020, 10:19:19 AM
Yankees today couldn't stand up to an army of Confederate women, let alone their men-folk.  Bwahah.

"It is important to acknowledge that even the very wise cannot see all ends. It was not Aragorn's leadership and military prowess that won the war on Sauron, it was Frodo's mercy to Gollum, and Gollum's corruption accidentally destroying the ring. History hinges on such small events." ... Tolkien
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 20, 2020, 12:32:09 PM
I saw this on Facebook recently. There's no doubting that Satan is an important part of Christian mythology, but if people started erecting statues of Satan, or wear/display the Sigil of Baphomet in church, it might send a slightly different message than, "Hey, I'm just preserving Christian traditions."
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 20, 2020, 12:56:43 PM
Two more confederate statues were taken down in Raleigh, voluntarily this time (https://www.wral.com/crews-remove-two-confederate-monuments-in-downtown-raleigh/19153399/)

People really get down on protestors taking matters into their own hands and not going through proper channels, but I've gotta say, they get results.  Years of lobbying and complaints didn't work, but one night of direct action really changed the political landscape of Raleigh.  The people in power got that message loud and clear.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 20, 2020, 01:06:01 PM
Because nothing says innocence like destroying all evidence.
Or not recording in the first place (https://reason.com/2020/06/19/san-francisco-police-were-ordered-to-turn-off-body-cameras-in-raid-on-journalists-home/).  Highly suspicious and imo, the standard reaction to this should be to assume foul play and free the officer to pursue a more private job elsewhere.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 20, 2020, 02:54:03 PM
I saw this on Facebook recently. There's no doubting that Satan is an important part of Christian mythology, but if people started erecting statues of Satan, or wear/display the Sigil of Baphomet in church, it might send a slightly different message than, "Hey, I'm just preserving Christian traditions."

Most Protestants regard the RCC as Satanic.  It's not just atheists ;-)

Yes, you SciFi lovers would end all history all tradition.  It is the only thing holding us back from the "woke" Star Wars utopia ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 20, 2020, 02:54:58 PM
Two more confederate statues were taken down in Raleigh, voluntarily this time (https://www.wral.com/crews-remove-two-confederate-monuments-in-downtown-raleigh/19153399/)

People really get down on protestors taking matters into their own hands and not going through proper channels, but I've gotta say, they get results.  Years of lobbying and complaints didn't work, but one night of direct action really changed the political landscape of Raleigh.  The people in power got that message loud and clear.

Weak.  Attack city hall and burn out the politicians.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 21, 2020, 07:25:57 AM
Friday evening I drove through a protest by accident.  We are so rural in my area, that it's hard to find a place that has enough people to create a commotion.  Of course, it was just a peaceful get together with maybe 100 protestors and maybe 15 gawkers, and the whole tone of the event was benign.  Everyone was smiling holding up BLM signs and singing.  A couple of motorists honked on the way by.  I didn't see any cops, not one.

But there was one agitator holding up a confederate flag walking around among the protestors.  He was smiling, but with a taunting "take a swing at me" smile.  The protestors ignored him, even when he would almost shove the flag right in their faces and try to make eye contact.  It was perplexing.  It was a Black Lives Matter theme, opposed by a guy with a confederate flag.  What the hell does that mean?  Black lives don't matter?  The South will rise again?  I'm from Appalachia and I married my sister? 

At one time I thought the confederate flag was a cute novelty.  When I was little, some clothing manufacturer manufactured North and South uniforms.  The hats became a fad, although the pants and shirts didn't sell that well.  So all the kids my age had to have a Civil War cap like the privates wore.  The color wasn't that important, and we all appreciated each other's hats regardless of the color, so I thought that was the way it was with flags.  They were just similar to walking around with a pennant supporting the Chicago Bears, but nothing beyond that.

Of course that's not what the confederate flags are about at all, or the statues.  It's very much about race and Aryan supremacy.  A while back, it was fashionable for the right wing to claim the the Civil War was not about race or slavery, but that it was an economic war.  An interesting perspective?  I don't think so.  It was a false claim meant to reshape the debate from a bunch of bigots treating people like shit to an uprising of the disadvantaged deprived of a better life.  The Civil war WAS about slavery.  It was about the right to treat a minority like animals.  It was about Aryan supremacy.  The war ended slavery, but not ignorant bigotry.  It only did half the job or less.

Put the flags and statues in a museums of horror, like the Holocaust Museums.  But in front of public buildings?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on June 21, 2020, 11:46:50 AM
Friday evening I drove through a protest by accident.  We are so rural in my area, that it's hard to find a place that has enough people to create a commotion.  Of course, it was just a peaceful get together with maybe 100 protestors and maybe 15 gawkers, and the whole tone of the event was benign.  Everyone was smiling holding up BLM signs and singing.  A couple of motorists honked on the way by.  I didn't see any cops, not one.

But there was one agitator holding up a confederate flag walking around among the protestors.  He was smiling, but with a taunting "take a swing at me" smile.  The protestors ignored him, even when he would almost shove the flag right in their faces and try to make eye contact.  It was perplexing.  It was a Black Lives Matter theme, opposed by a guy with a confederate flag.  What the hell does that mean?  Black lives don't matter?  The South will rise again?  I'm from Appalachia and I married my sister? 

At one time I thought the confederate flag was a cute novelty.  When I was little, some clothing manufacturer manufactured North and South uniforms.  The hats became a fad, although the pants and shirts didn't sell that well.  So all the kids my age had to have a Civil War cap like the privates wore.  The color wasn't that important, and we all appreciated each other's hats regardless of the color, so I thought that was the way it was with flags.  They were just similar to walking around with a pennant supporting the Chicago Bears, but nothing beyond that.

Of course that's not what the confederate flags are about at all, or the statues.  It's very much about race and Aryan supremacy.  A while back, it was fashionable for the right wing to claim the the Civil War was not about race or slavery, but that it was an economic war.  An interesting perspective?  I don't think so.  It was a false claim meant to reshape the debate from a bunch of bigots treating people like shit to an uprising of the disadvantaged deprived of a better life.  The Civil war WAS about slavery.  It was about the right to treat a minority like animals.  It was about Aryan supremacy.  The war ended slavery, but not ignorant bigotry.  It only did half the job or less.

Put the flags and statues in a museums of horror, like the Holocaust Museums.  But in front of public buildings?

Residing in Georgia and Florida I was surrounded by that 'southern pride' bullshit while growing up. Proud of being losing traitors, LOL. Even the Southern Baptist churches owned slaves. Well, it is pretty stupid to start a war when you have hardly any war materials industry. Pretty stupid to invade the North with barely any supplies and then press the attack when the enemy holds the good ground. Well I guess they felt they had to because of the naval blockade was slowly chocking them. The Union could have just hung all those traitors instead of letting them live to continue propagating their sick agenda.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 21, 2020, 12:54:40 PM
Friday evening I drove through a protest by accident.  We are so rural in my area, that it's hard to find a place that has enough people to create a commotion.  Of course, it was just a peaceful get together with maybe 100 protestors and maybe 15 gawkers, and the whole tone of the event was benign.  Everyone was smiling holding up BLM signs and singing.  A couple of motorists honked on the way by.  I didn't see any cops, not one.

But there was one agitator holding up a confederate flag walking around among the protestors.  He was smiling, but with a taunting "take a swing at me" smile.  The protestors ignored him, even when he would almost shove the flag right in their faces and try to make eye contact.  It was perplexing.  It was a Black Lives Matter theme, opposed by a guy with a confederate flag.  What the hell does that mean?  Black lives don't matter?  The South will rise again?  I'm from Appalachia and I married my sister? 

At one time I thought the confederate flag was a cute novelty.  When I was little, some clothing manufacturer manufactured North and South uniforms.  The hats became a fad, although the pants and shirts didn't sell that well.  So all the kids my age had to have a Civil War cap like the privates wore.  The color wasn't that important, and we all appreciated each other's hats regardless of the color, so I thought that was the way it was with flags.  They were just similar to walking around with a pennant supporting the Chicago Bears, but nothing beyond that.

Of course that's not what the confederate flags are about at all, or the statues.  It's very much about race and Aryan supremacy.  A while back, it was fashionable for the right wing to claim the the Civil War was not about race or slavery, but that it was an economic war.  An interesting perspective?  I don't think so.  It was a false claim meant to reshape the debate from a bunch of bigots treating people like shit to an uprising of the disadvantaged deprived of a better life.  The Civil war WAS about slavery.  It was about the right to treat a minority like animals.  It was about Aryan supremacy.  The war ended slavery, but not ignorant bigotry.  It only did half the job or less.

Put the flags and statues in a museums of horror, like the Holocaust Museums.  But in front of public buildings?

Hey, old man.  Be more careful.  We would miss you if you get hurt!  Good thing it wasn't a group of BLM/AntiFa demonstrators, they would tarred and feathered you for being old and White!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 21, 2020, 12:56:40 PM
Residing in Georgia and Florida I was surrounded by that 'southern pride' bullshit while growing up. Proud of being losing traitors, LOL. Even the Southern Baptist churches owned slaves. Well, it is pretty stupid to start a war when you have hardly any war materials industry. Pretty stupid to invade the North with barely any supplies and then press the attack when the enemy holds the good ground. Well I guess they felt they had to because of the naval blockade was slowly chocking them. The Union could have just hung all those traitors instead of letting them live to continue propagating their sick agenda.

My exact argument years ago, with an overly bold Southern co-worker.  What is the price of treason?  If the Radical Republicans had gotten their way, every American would be half-Black from miscegenation ;-)  Today Dems are communists and criminals, not slave holders.  Seems like another case of treason to me ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 21, 2020, 02:07:55 PM
Residing in Georgia and Florida I was surrounded by that 'southern pride' bullshit while growing up. Proud of being losing traitors, LOL. Even the Southern Baptist churches owned slaves. Well, it is pretty stupid to start a war when you have hardly any war materials industry. Pretty stupid to invade the North with barely any supplies and then press the attack when the enemy holds the good ground. Well I guess they felt they had to because of the naval blockade was slowly chocking them. The Union could have just hung all those traitors instead of letting them live to continue propagating their sick agenda.
I did live (well, I existed) in Alabama for a lifetime (5 years).  When I first attended school the first question I remembered being asked was if I was a rebel or a yankee.  I had no idea what they were talking about.  Told them I was from Oregon, so they informed me I was a Yankee.  I also learned soon after arriving that there wasn't any civil war--it was The War Of Yankee Aggression!!  I'm with you Cassia, I think the North was much too lenient with the Confederates.  No Confederate soldier or member of the Confederacy should have been allowed to hold an office of any kind.  The former slaves should have had all of the plantation lands divided up among them.  And I could go on and on.  They needed to be treated as the traitors they were.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 21, 2020, 02:16:16 PM
Yep, if it wasn't for that damned Lincoln and his reconciling 1864 inaugural speech, we could have had Karl Marx come over from London and be our Commissar.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 21, 2020, 03:09:38 PM
I did live (well, I existed) in Alabama for a lifetime (5 years).  When I first attended school the first question I remembered being asked was if I was a rebel or a yankee.  I had no idea what they were talking about.  Told them I was from Oregon, so they informed me I was a Yankee.  I also learned soon after arriving that there wasn't any civil war--it was The War Of Yankee Aggression!!  I'm with you Cassia, I think the North was much too lenient with the Confederates.  No Confederate soldier or member of the Confederacy should have been allowed to hold an office of any kind.  The former slaves should have had all of the plantation lands divided up among them.  And I could go on and on.  They needed to be treated as the traitors they were.
A guy from Texas showed up on our Forest Service summer crew in Montana one year.  He made a big fuss out of being from Texas, and had cultivated KKK philosophies that few in the clan would openly state in public.  He used to try to get under people's skin by calling them Yankees, which is kind of silly in Montana, because the average Montanan would be about as insulted by that as if he had been called a baseball player.

After I married my wife, who grew up in Maine, I was telling her about that guy one time.  I mentioned that "Yankee" to that Texan was like the ultimate insult.  I was surprised when my wife took offense.  It's almost like she was reading me the riot act.  "Yankee?  Yankee," she almost screamed.  "You're no Yankee!  I'm a Yankee!  I'm from New England.  Not you."  And from her tone, it was something she was obviously deeply proud of, as in, "You're damn right I'm a Yankee, you slack jawed dumb ass."

And she was right, as usual.  Oregon or Montana didn't even exist as states, or at least had nothing to do with the Civil War.  It was just a few scruffy trappers and misfits, who couldn't survive back east, and probably didn't give a shit about anything more than a mile away from their cabin.  Being called a Yankee would at most be puzzling: 

"Hey, that there varmint done called me a Yankee.  Is that a bad thing or a good thing?"
"Hell if I know, but I'd shoot him anyways." 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 21, 2020, 04:48:51 PM
Texans are special, and I was only born there ;-)  Maine would be nice too, rural, unlike the New England states too close to NYC.

As the US economy went up and down, when I lived in Colorado, we were insulted first by rich Texans buying up property, and later by rich Californios ;-)

There were plenty of Mid-West states that contributed troops to the Union.  Springfield was a bigger deal than Chicago.  At that time, there hadn't been the mass migrations from E Europe or Scandinavia.  So they were pretty much descendants of New Englanders.  That all changed by the 1920s.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 21, 2020, 05:37:44 PM
The Great  Antifa Hysteria, or as George Carlin said... "It's all bullshit, folks, and it's bad for ya."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/opinion/antifa-protests.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/opinion/antifa-protests.html)


People are legitimately getting hurt, getting killed, over this fear mongering. We have right-wing terrorists using this "leftist" fear to carry out attacks on police, LGBT+ and African American communities and blaming it on the protesters (thankfully they tend to also be fucking idiots and get caught).

And yet we actually have people here who legitimately think this is the bigger threat, and that boggles my mind.
I still want to know when opposition to fascism became a bad thing...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 21, 2020, 06:36:50 PM
I still want to know when opposition to fascism became a bad thing...
Or some conservative media calling backlash to antifa anti-antifa ...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2020, 01:07:35 PM
I still want to know when opposition to fascism became a bad thing...

"Da, Communism is good, for me" - Joseph Stalin.  He was the primary opposition, not Churchill, not FDR.  AntiFa is a German communist organization (and a total failure) from the 1930s.

When did opposition to Democrat traitors become a bad thing?  How can you vilify Republicans?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2020, 01:13:59 PM
"9 Dead, 56 Shot In Chicago Father's Day Weekend Violence; Toddler Killed" ... BCM ... Black Corpses Matter

"Seattle Official Peddles Conspiracy Theory That CHOP Shooting Was Right-Wing Attack" ... no Black hoodlums have ever shot anyone.  These were all psyops by KKK White FBI assassins!

"Conservative Activist Calls To 'Cancel Yale' For Being Named After Slave Trader" ... burn down every Ivy League college, for their past sins.  With their liberal professors locked in their classrooms, so they can't escape (sarc)

"NPR Busted Framing Self-Defense Getaway From Gun-Toting 'Protesters' As Right-Wing Extremist Attack" ... all Whites drive cars to run over Blacks, all of the USA is Charlotteville!  Nobody should drive a car, or shop, or live in Democrat hell holes.  Then you won't have your one of your dreadlocks ripped from your skull like happened to this driver.

New Twitter Hashtag ... #Believe All Terrorists?

"Roosevelt Statue To Be Removed From NYC's Museum Of Natural History" ... Teddy was a racist.  And a populist anti-capitalist.  So confusing!  Also will the ghost of Robin Williams come back and animate the statue?

"German Communist Party Unveils Statue Of "Freedom Fighter" Vladimir Lenin" ... New Germany's Chancellor is a Stasi member, so why not?

"Scottish Man Convicted Of Calling Ex-Girlfriend's Boyfriend A "Leprechaun"" ... take away this man's "Lucky Charms"

Worldwide psychosis has gone mainstream.  "12 Monkeys" now!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2020, 01:15:59 PM
Or some conservative media calling backlash to antifa anti-antifa ...

Hitler bad, Stalin good, Mao good ... a new 60s style protest chant:

Ho, Ho,
Ho Chi Minh
Snort A Line Of Coke

Ho, Ho,
Ho Chi Minh
Smoke Another Dope
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2020, 05:06:47 PM
"Seattle will phase down CHOP at night, police will return to East Precinct, Durkan says" ... Durkan is the Feminist mayor of Seattle.  Give her a chance to shut it down one skid row bum at a time.  Shiranu has missed his chance for communist utopia?

"One Gen Z'er Dares To Speak Out: "I'm Done With Your Bull$hit!"" ... can they tell police reform from "Summer of Love"?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 23, 2020, 05:35:13 PM
"One Gen Z'er Dares To Speak Out: "I'm Done With Your Bull$hit!"" ... can they tell police reform from "Summer of Love"?
That was a proto fascist tirade. She even begins with "All Lives Matter".
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2020, 05:40:42 PM
That was a proto fascist tirade. She even begins with "All Lives Matter".

All Whites are fascist ... we all have Nazi SS costumes in our closet.  Do you really want us to "come out of the closet"?  I would never have supported a dictatorship, or Republicans, until the Democrats and Blacks went feral.

No, you can enslave the minds of all the Gen-Z people, just get them to pony up tens of thousands of dollars to go to Marxist education camps (colleges).  It worked with the Millennials, X-Gen and Boomers.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 23, 2020, 06:31:41 PM
All Whites are fascist ... we all have Nazi SS costumes in our closet.  Do you really want us to "come out of the closet"?  I would never have supported a dictatorship, or Republicans, until the Democrats and Blacks went feral.
It's hard to ascertain what people believe when challenged, since, especially for proto fascist, will lie about their true convictions to cover their asses.


No, you can enslave the minds of all the Gen-Z people, just get them to pony up tens of thousands of dollars to go to Marxist education camps (colleges).  It worked with the Millennials, X-Gen and Boomers.
So you think people are "programmed" in colleges?

What if the students by using their own intelligence came down to the conclusion that Marxism is right and the workers should unite against Capitalism? Are their conclusions invalid automatically? Words have meanings.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2020, 07:04:21 PM
It's hard to ascertain what people believe when challenged, since, especially for proto fascist, will lie about their true convictions to cover their asses.

So you think people are "programmed" in colleges?

What if the students by using their own intelligence came down to the conclusion that Marxism is right and the workers should unite against Capitalism? Are their conclusions invalid automatically? Words have meanings.

Proto-communist??  Yes, read a real Karl Marx book, obtuse as hell.

Sorry, 19 year olds are trash.  I was trash when I was 19 too.  Now graduate students (acolytes of the professorial priesthood) and professors, those are the true believers.  They make a good case why the Spanish Inquisition should have burned down all the colleges 500 years ago.  The colleges were a creation and tool of the RCC ... they had every right to burn down the colleges or burn the students and professors literally.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 23, 2020, 07:15:08 PM
People learn and grow as they age, sure.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 23, 2020, 10:53:42 PM
I wish I had known that colleges were just marxist brainwashing before.  I could've saved a lot of money and just watched marxist hollyweird movies instead or waited for the phone lines to be upgraded to 5G so I could download my marxism from the noosphere.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2020, 12:07:56 AM
People learn and grow as they age, sure.

Society doesn't learn and but it does grow (by making too many babies).  A collective entity is a random collection.  Atoms in air for example, they are incoherent.  You can't order them into the same state, worse than cats.  You can measure a pretty worthless average.  Average IQ is like average height.  You can calculate it but it is useless.  Only an individual of a sufficient given height can reach the high self where the cookies are.  Try to get Mr Average (who doesn't physically exist) do that for you.  With generations, one generation of self appreciative pricks replaces the last.  All of them are ignorant of the big picture.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2020, 12:09:13 AM
I wish I had known that colleges were just marxist brainwashing before.  I could've saved a lot of money and just watched marxist hollyweird movies instead or waited for the phone lines to be upgraded to 5G so I could download my marxism from the noosphere.

Your fault.  I was in STEM, not in underwater feminist pussy hair weaving.  Us geeks ... you don't want to know what we thought of you back then, nor now.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2020, 04:56:11 PM
"Rayshard Brooks' Alleged Mistress Arrested For Suspicion Of Setting Fire To Atlanta Wendy's" ... White girl misceginating, and probably AntiFa.

"National Guard Mobilized In D.C. To Protect Monuments, Fox Reports" ... has to be wrong.  Only the Black woman mayor can request that.  If she wants the monuments WH, Pentagon, Capital to burn, they have to burn.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2020, 11:13:45 PM
"LA School Board Votes Down Massive Budget Cut For Police Department" ... schools having massive firepower, is part of the save-the-Karen movement against in-school violence.  At that one school in Florida, the armed guard ran away?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 25, 2020, 08:49:19 AM
This is disturbing.  Apparently trapping demonstrators, rather than dispersing them is a planned police tactic, not just some disorganized fuck up.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007174941/philadelphia-tear-gas-george-floyd-protests.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200625&instance_id=19699&nl=the-morning&regi_id=129705843&segment_id=31816&te=1&user_id=33a2a6e6868fd65c48b0f219d16ed7c2
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 25, 2020, 09:35:00 AM
This is disturbing.  Apparently trapping demonstrators, rather than dispersing them is a planned police tactic, not just some disorganized fuck up.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007174941/philadelphia-tear-gas-george-floyd-protests.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200625&instance_id=19699&nl=the-morning&regi_id=129705843&segment_id=31816&te=1&user_id=33a2a6e6868fd65c48b0f219d16ed7c2
Kettling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling).  Sometimes it's used to keep protesters away from whoever they're protesting against, sometimes it's used to get them all in one place for more efficient teargassing and pepperspraying.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: SGOS on June 25, 2020, 09:53:41 AM
Kettling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling).  Sometimes it's used to keep protesters away from whoever they're protesting against, sometimes it's used to get them all in one place for more efficient teargassing and pepperspraying.
Thanks for Wiki explanation.  I understand the purpose and intent.  But it is still unnecessarily barbaric, and I will never believe for one minute that the police are not abusing it.  In the video, people have been kettled, what happens afterwards is nothing short of torture.  It's unacceptable no matter how much the police seem to be enjoying it.

In the past, I haven't been bothered too much by police activity.  I've just told myself to avoid protests and riots, and I let it go.  But now I've seen enough of this sort of abuse to believe that this shit has got to stop, along with killing minorities for no reason.  I realize police work is dangerous business, and I understand the frustration dealing with criminals day after day can mount up.  I also understand the frustration of watching our civilization become a police state, and having no recourse to deal with the powers in charge.  I still think police brutality can be eliminated if we get rid of the scum, and that includes scum at the top who rubber stamp torture as part of crowd control.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 25, 2020, 10:29:51 AM
Thanks for Wiki explanation.  I understand the purpose and intent.  But it is still unnecessarily barbaric, and I will never believe for one minute that the police are not abusing it.  In the video, people have been kettled, what happens afterwards is nothing short of torture.  It's unacceptable no matter how much the police seem to be enjoying it.

In the past, I haven't been bothered too much by police activity.  I've just told myself to avoid protests and riots, and I let it go.  But now I've seen enough of this sort of abuse to believe that this shit has got to stop, along with killing minorities for no reason.  I realize police work is dangerous business, and I understand the frustration dealing with criminals day after day can mount up.  I also understand the frustration of watching our civilization become a police state, and having no recourse to deal with the powers in charge.  I still think police brutality can be eliminated if we get rid of the scum, and that includes scum at the top who rubber stamp torture as part of crowd control.
I expect the police to be held to a higher standard of behavior than the general public.  They're the ones who know the law better and are charged with defending it.

I remember about forty-some years ago when I was living up by Toledo, we had friends of the family that lived way out west of town that we always spent the 4th of July with because they always had the best party -- for both the adults and us (then-)minors -- the highlight of which was their own personal fireworks display.

They got their fireworks from the local police, with whom they were close, fireworks illegal in Ohio that they'd confiscated.  They (ahem) disposed of the illegal fireworks for them by burning them.  One at a time.  To much ooh-ing and ah-ing.

Sounds harmless, even fun, but that's an abuse of power.  That's granting themselves and their friends an exception to the laws that had been enforced against other citizens who didn't happen to have a personal connection to the police.

And once you let yourself get used to bending the "harmless" rules for yourself and your friends, that makes it easier to bend more substantial rules.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 25, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
I was stopped once, for reckless driving, that was caused by a nighttime headlights in my face (from the police car parked at the end of the street).  i was stopped and he had me sit next to him in the squad car (not a good idea).  The cop was drunk.  I deserved the citation, but his "brights" blinded me.  I was glad that was all I got!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 25, 2020, 11:44:01 AM
3 NC cops fired for racist conversations, eagerness to kill black people (https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/06/24/fired-wilmington-cop-we-are-just-going-to-go-out-and-start-slaughtering-them-f-ni-i-cant-wait-god-i-cant-wait-free-read/)

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“We are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them fu—– ni—–. I can’t wait. God, I can’t wait.

These are the words of a now-former Wilmington Police Department officer Kevin Piner.

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“Their conversation eventually turned to the topic of the protests against racism occurring across the nation. Piner tells Gilmore that the only thing this agency is concerned with ‘kneeling down with the black folks.’ Gilmore then said that he watched a video on social media about white people bowing down on their knees and ‘worshipping blacks,'” according to the summary.

The conversation then turned to other police officers in the Wilmington Police Department — black officers.

The audio has Piner calling one of the officers ‘bad news’ and a ‘piece of shit.’

“Let’s see how his boys take care of him when shit gets rough, see if they don’t put a bullet in his head,” Piner said about a fellow officer.
I wonder if the Blue Lives matter people would approve a cop plotting to kill another cop.  I really hope not.  I really hope everyone agrees that this was beyond the pale.

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According to the summary, “Moore began telling Piner about an arrest he had made at work the day before. During that conversation, Moore refers to the female as a ‘negro’ and a ‘ni—-‘ on multiple occasions.”

He also referred to a magistrate judge, who is also black, as a ‘fucking negro magistrate.’

“At one point, Moore states, ‘she needed a bullet in her head right then and move on. Let’s move the body out of the way and keep going.’ Piner responds, ‘That’s what I have been trying to tell you,'” according to the documents.

After more derogatory comments about the arrestee and the magistrate, the conversation takes an even bleaker turn, as the two officers discuss an upcoming ‘civil war.’

“Piner tells Moore later in the conversation that he feels a civil war is coming and he is ‘ready.’ Piner advised he is going to buy a new assault rifle in the next couple of weeks.
These are the kinds of conversations cops have behind our backs.  We pay them to protect us and they fantasize about having a race war and slaughtering people who just happen to have a different skin tone than them.  This is sick.  And the only reason we know about it was because it was both recorded on tape and released to the public.  How often does this happen away from the cameras?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 25, 2020, 11:52:41 AM
No, you don't pay them to protect you and your property.  That is the narrative.  They are there to establish public order (unless told to stand down by the D-mayor) ... because public order is good for the Elite.  If you want someone to protect you and your property, you have to hire private security guards, like Donald Trump.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 25, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
Man suing police department in Georgia for unnecessary and excessive force (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/24/man-sues-georgia-police-excessive-use-force-after-wrong-arrest/3248440001/)

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Per a police report obtained by the Valdosta Daily Times, a man, who was suspected of bothering customers outside a Walgreens, was wearing a brown hoodie and blue pants.

A patrolman approaches the man, who police identified as Smith. According to bodycam footage reviewed by USA TODAY, the man was wearing a red jacket and khaki pants.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMEFde61YVHpJ8k/giphy.gif)

Here's a shocker: they got the wrong guy.

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A sergeant then arrives, immediately walking up to the man, grabbing him and restraining his arms in a “bear hug." He instructs Smith three times to put his hands behind his back “like he’s told.”

After the third instruction, the sergeant body slams Smith. He starts wailing in pain, exclaiming that the sergeant broke his wrist.
The policeman tried to justify this by claiming that the man was in a blac..."bladed" stance.  Also, he was arguing with the other police officer. (so what?)

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Smith was later hospitalized at South Georgia Medical Center, per the lawsuit, where he was diagnosed with “distal radial and ulnar fractures” and his arm was put in a sling before being released with pain medication.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 25, 2020, 03:30:17 PM
Another cop got caught doing a stranglehold, got charged for it ;-)

"Pew Analysis Shows Only 1 In 6 BLM Protesters Are Black" ... not all Blacks are Marxist, not all Marxist are Black

"Black Lives Matter leader states, “If U.S. doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it”. This is Treason, Sedition, Insurrection!" ... Trump tweet.  As a Cold Warrior, I don't find Marxism to be protected free speech.  It is literally not just like shouting "fire" in a theater (the Marxist MSM does that), but being the actual arsonists who sets the theater on fire ;-(

"New Colorado Police Reform Ends Cops' Qualified Immunity, Sidesteps Federal Courts" ... a hopeful turn of events
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 26, 2020, 05:07:53 AM
The last words of Elijah McClain, before being murdered by cops standing on his neck.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbNamg4UcAINVhj?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 26, 2020, 05:14:51 AM
And for those wondering why these protests are happening outside of America as well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqmzqjibncY

Mona Wang's boyfriend called 911 (or w/e the Canadian equivalent is) for a wellness check on her. The RCMP officer who arrived proceeds to drag her through the hotel, pull her up by her hair, step on her head and arrests her.

All over a mental health wellness check.

In the last 3 months, RCMP have murdered 5 people during wellness checks. The RCMP have also murdered several Indigenous members over the last month as well as brutalized a chief on camera. Police brutality is not just an American thing, and it's why police need to be abolished and replaced.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2020, 05:55:49 AM
If the point was killing people, the cops have let us down.  There are billions of useless mouths in this world.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 26, 2020, 06:26:25 AM
As I've posted earlier, white supremacists have infiltrated the police force.

Slowly scrap the entire police force and do psych evals of everyone entering the police force again.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2020, 06:48:43 AM
As I've posted earlier, white supremacists have infiltrated the police force.

Slowly scrap the entire police force and do psych evals of everyone entering the police force again.

They have always been KKK. particularly the Black cops.  You won't find Mother Theresa joining the force.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 26, 2020, 09:33:19 AM
As I've posted earlier, white supremacists have infiltrated the police force.

Slowly scrap the entire police force and do psych evals of everyone entering the police force again.

I do find this alarming:
An FBI intelligence assessment—titled “White Supremacist Infiltration of Law Enforcement” and published in 2006 during the administration of President George W. Bush—raised alarm over white supremacist groups’ interest in “infiltrating law enforcement communities or recruiting law enforcement personnel.” The report, based on FBI investigations and open sources, warned, for example, that skinhead groups were actively encouraging their members to become “ghost skins” within law enforcement agencies, a term the report said white supremacists use to describe members who “avoid overt displays of their beliefs to blend into society and covertly advance white supremacist causes.”

In 2015, a classified FBI Counterterrorism Policy Guide, obtained by The Intercept, stated that “domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers.”

This is reported by  Danielle Schulkin this month.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2020, 12:01:02 PM
Ancient news.  The real scandal is the penetration of county sheriff offices by gun nuts.  It was local sheriffs from 80s onward who gave permission for some people to keep full automatic weapons.  I have known two gun nuts.  They are ... nuts!  One or more of them may post here.

So to purify the police force, we need to replace them all with Communist trans-sexual Blacks with Hispanic surnames who are handicapped?  Beta males are per-screened because they have no nuts ;-))
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on June 26, 2020, 06:03:20 PM
Ancient news.  The real scandal is the penetration of county sheriff offices by gun nuts.  It was local sheriffs from 80s onward who gave permission for some people to keep full automatic weapons.  I have known two gun nuts.  They are ... nuts!  One or more of them may post here.
2nd Amendment supporters aren't the problem, I would argue that's just a point repubs have co-opted.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2020, 06:38:27 PM
2nd Amendment supporters aren't the problem, I would argue that's just a point repubs have co-opted.

There is a whole narrative, that after Watergate, the S Democrats took over the Republican party.  I am not sure how true that is.  Usually narratives are promoted by people with something nefarious to gain.  Yes, at that time also, a time of Revolution, the college kids of the 60s took over the Democrat party (starting with the McGovern campaign) ... really?  Is that so?  I don't see Carter or Clinton or Obama being all that woke.  Aren't the Bernie Bros etc just useful plantation drones for the Democrats, who are still what they have always been?  Did the Republicans, having been taken over by Bill Jim Bob .. stop supporting upstate millionaires?  How to overcome a century of MSM lies?  Started by the propaganda techniques of Sigmund Freud's nephew?  If one is paranoid about S White folks, then it doesn't matter where they are seen to politically domicile, you have to demonize them?  Aren't they just a shiny bauble to distract the liberal masses with MSM induced nightmares?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2020, 07:17:50 PM
89,000 firearms were sold in the Minneapolis area in the last month.  So this is how you suppress vigilantism on the Right?  The Left are crisis actors and useful idiots ... the CIA/FBI are using you to create a Right-wing backlash.  For whatever devious plans the Deep State has.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 27, 2020, 08:10:55 AM
"The One Statue That Remains Untouched: Vladimir Lenin" ... comrades in Seattle

"Students Are Demanding A Professor Be Fired For Opposing Slavery" ... Evergreen State strikes again ... Occupy ... the Dean's Office!  Professor opposes slavery because it violates Libertarianism ... not because it is immoral.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 27, 2020, 08:41:07 AM
I recently read a book on antiracism where the author argued that to be racist is an assessment of action, not identity or sentiment. When someone acts or speaks in a way that puts one racial group above another or supports policies that create racial inequity, that's racist, and when someone acts or speaks in a way that indicates there is nothing wrong with any of the racial groups or supports policies that create racial equity, that's antiracist. When someone says they are "not racist" it is typically an expression of sentiment, not an assessment of action. For example, white supremacists often say they are not racist. It's like someone saying they are a good person when their actions don't indicate they are empathetic or prosocial. By this definition, anyone can be racist.

https://youtu.be/XcP2M1mtkyA

I confess I'm not very good at being antiracist. My primary strategy for dealing with people I don't care for, for whatever reason, is to avoid them. I speak up at work and with family because they are difficult to avoid, in fact a had a long conversation yesterday with my younger brother regarding the racial protests. With acquaintances or strangers, I avoid interaction.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 27, 2020, 08:53:04 AM


I confess I'm not very good at being antiracist. My primary strategy for dealing with people I don't care for, for whatever reason, is to avoid them. I speak up at work and with family because they are difficult to avoid, in fact a had a long conversation yesterday with my younger brother regarding the racial protests. With acquaintances or strangers, I avoid interaction.
Oh, I don't know........I think it is a matter of quality and not quantity.  I don't think a person needs to become crusader rabbit, but to become aware of how we are acting when around others.  Actually, I think the biggest problem people of color/minorities have is built into the systems of the govt.  Changing those will be a long process; one I hope will actually come to pass.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 27, 2020, 10:44:32 AM
Equity?  Sorry, Andorrans are inferior to Terrans ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on June 27, 2020, 06:36:33 PM
Those cops in NC who were talking about the coming race war and couldn't wait to start the slaughter all said they're not racist...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 27, 2020, 10:37:47 PM
Those cops in NC who were talking about the coming race war and couldn't wait to start the slaughter all said they're not racist...

Takes two to Tango, even in Argentina, eh Presidente Juan Peron?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 28, 2020, 05:24:12 PM
Ken Burns, who might know a thing or two about American history, believes that the statues represent mythology... not history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W08bTFhuwKs
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 28, 2020, 06:54:04 PM
Miami officer kneels on pregnant woman's neck, tasers her multiple times in the stomach (knowing full well what he is doing), leading to her miscarrying. The pro-life crowd seems oddly quiet. Charged with battery and not murder though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6stgWhFZSqQ
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on June 28, 2020, 07:05:00 PM
Ken Burns, who might know a thing or two about American history, believes that the statues represent mythology... not history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W08bTFhuwKs
In this case, Ken Burns is wrong.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on June 28, 2020, 07:40:32 PM
Miami officer kneels on pregnant woman's neck, tasers her multiple times in the stomach (knowing full well what he is doing), leading to her miscarrying. The pro-life crowd seems oddly quiet. Charged with battery and not murder though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6stgWhFZSqQ
Much of the pro-life crowd is also pro-death penalty.  Basically, life is sacred only up until you're born, then fuck you.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 28, 2020, 07:52:57 PM
Much of the pro-life crowd is also pro-death penalty.  Basically, life is sacred only up until you're born, then fuck you.

They also are big fans of the Second Amendment, because they want to be prepared to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. ...And yet the military is beyond reproach. If you deny that every single veteran is a hero, then fuck you and get out, you unpatriotic bastard! And of course, they extend the same logic to the police. You're not allowed to criticize the police, even while they're abusing their power on the public, because they're friends with good policemen. Conservatives are just hypocrites by nature.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 28, 2020, 08:15:03 PM
Leaked documents show that cops exaggerated threats (https://theintercept.com/2020/06/26/blueleaks-minneapolis-police-protest-fears/) in order to escalate violence

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The fears stoked by the warnings appear to have set the stage for the police’s escalating, violent response to the protests, including the widespread use of tear gas, percussion grenades, and rubber bullets, sometimes fired at close range.

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they also suggest a tendency to categorize standard protest behavior as a threat to police.

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Unjustified fear has long played into abuse in policing. “Since they know that they are hated, they are always afraid,” James Baldwin wrote of the police in The Nation in 1966. “One cannot possibly arrive at a more surefire formula for cruelty.” According to Dan O’Flaherty and Rajiv Sethi’s book “Shadows of Doubt: Stereotypes, Crime, and the Pursuit of Justice,” undue security service fears based on errant information have historically contributed to police killing and injuring civilians.
Fear leads to hate, hate leads to violence.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 28, 2020, 09:55:53 PM
Ken Burns, who might know a thing or two about American history, believes that the statues represent mythology... not history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W08bTFhuwKs

All history is propaganda.  All propaganda should be Marxist ... of course.  Or you could learn to appreciate mythology (fiction from people you don't approve of vs those you do) and stop thinking that humans know anything real at all (emphasis on know).  The status of reality is independent of whether any monkey people actually know anything, we can assume.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 28, 2020, 09:57:53 PM
Much of the pro-life crowd is also pro-death penalty.  Basically, life is sacred only up until you're born, then fuck you.

Life isn't sacred to atheists, because there is nothing sacred.  Have you killed germs and viruses today?  Have you eaten parts of plants and animals?  Monsters, all of you!  Life is sacred ... (smoke coming out of brainiac due to contradictions).

Technically, vigilantism (of Left or Right) is unnecessary in a civilized society.  Government works and law enforcement does its job (they reserve all violence to lawful legal action).  Alas, there is no such thing as a civilized society.  That is why, even if I am only armed with a spork, I can deal with any sociopath that the government fails to deal with.  Not that I want to be in that situation.  But I am perfectly willing to kill if necessary, and won't cry a tear for the sociopath who gets too close to my business.  I see no point in having elections to choose which sociopathic faction should monopolize violence.

Political theory about rights and privileges are just so much autistic brain turds.  Either you live or you die.  Chose wisely.  Don't expect anyone to help you, because people are the problem, not the solution.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 29, 2020, 09:05:29 AM
"Charting The $1.7B Transfer Of Military Equipment To Police Departments" ... Thanks Obama/Trump.  This was not a good idea.

"Modern slavery earns criminal networks an estimated $150 billion a year, just slightly less than drug smuggling and weapons trafficking..." ... funny how Americans talk about past human trafficking but not about current human trafficking ...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2020, 01:19:44 PM
"Modern slavery earns criminal networks an estimated $150 billion a year, just slightly less than drug smuggling and weapons trafficking..." ... funny how Americans talk about past human trafficking but not about current human trafficking ...

Coincidentally, my hospital just had our annual system-wide training including a module on identifying and reporting human trafficking. North Carolina is sixth in the nation for human trafficking reports. Part of the reason NC is number six is an increase in self-reporting and public awareness from informational campaigns such as https://www.projectnorest.org/.

BTW, this is a moving article on a personal story of modern slavery: My Family's Slave (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/lolas-story/524490/) - She lived with us for 56 years. She raised me and my siblings without pay. I was 11, a typical American kid, before I realized who she was.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 29, 2020, 02:39:48 PM
Yep, we got that training on human trafficking and much else, in our military clinic, every year.  The concern for them was deployed military get involved in crime overseas.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 29, 2020, 02:42:27 PM
White couple aims guns at peaceful protestors (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-couple-aims-guns-protesters-mayors-home-defund-police/)

I can't believe it's not domestic terrorism.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 29, 2020, 03:24:29 PM
White couple aims guns at peaceful protestors (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-couple-aims-guns-protesters-mayors-home-defund-police/)

I can't believe it's not domestic terrorism.

I think it was the mayor's house, he and his wife were home, both lawyers.  If they were Black, then BLM ... just kill all the rich, you dirty commies ;-(  500 crowd of BLM Democrat Brown Shirts.  If Democrats do it, it is just election politics.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on June 29, 2020, 05:09:57 PM
White couple aims guns at peaceful protestors (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-couple-aims-guns-protesters-mayors-home-defund-police/)

I can't believe it's not domestic terrorism.

Brandishing a firearm is illegal. You would think gun owners, especially lawyers, would be aware of this law.

https://youtu.be/Y2ekC4ocCn4
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 29, 2020, 05:15:52 PM
I've seen a trend on Facebook recently. The question of "should the KKK be classified as a terrorist group" comes up, and inevitably, someone in the comments says, "Only if Anti-Fa are also classified as terrorists!" Dude, why are you defending the KKK? Is it because you realize you're on the same side? If not, what do you have to gain by protecting them?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on June 29, 2020, 05:22:15 PM
My racism is contextual. Worked in a career with a diverse team. "Awesome". Social situations; "the more diverse, the better". See a young black guy casually walking down my white rural street. "Hmmm WTF is he up to?". It is not an excuse but our brains are wired to make fast situational assessments. We connect dots that should not be connected. I can do better than that. people deserve better than that.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on June 29, 2020, 05:31:48 PM
"We're all a little bit racist sometimes."

It's true. Our brains are prone to make shortcuts. That includes a tendency to fear people who our brains recognize as outsiders. To some extent, it was probably beneficial of our ancestors to recognize and fear people who don't look like us, since strangers could be a threat. But the important thing isn't what automatic responses we have and can't control, but it's what we choose to do with the information our minds are feeding us. It doesn't become a hate crime until your thoughts have gone from your head to your fists.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 29, 2020, 09:27:45 PM
I've seen a trend on Facebook recently. The question of "should the KKK be classified as a terrorist group" comes up, and inevitably, someone in the comments says, "Only if Anti-Fa are also classified as terrorists!" Dude, why are you defending the KKK? Is it because you realize you're on the same side? If not, what do you have to gain by protecting them?

Of course KKK is a domestic terrorist organization.  Always has been.  But legal eagles blocked it ... you had to be a foreign organization, backed by a foreign government or government-like-party.  So technically, a domestic organization couldn't be called terrorist.  Lawyers!

Hence the recent defense of un-centralized AntiFa .. the American AntiFa couldn't count as terrorism in that definition.  Then the question would be, how much is American AntiFa controlled by outside the US.  Same with BLM.  But that all falls apart if you use the obvious definition.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 29, 2020, 10:33:50 PM
Been seeing a sudden resurgence of "All Lives Matter" by fuckheads who don't understand what context is.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 30, 2020, 09:17:23 AM
Been seeing a sudden resurgence of "All Lives Matter" by fuckheads who don't understand what context is.

Eat the rich.  Up with Wakanda.

I still want to nuke all communists.  Just love the sight of mushrooms.

"Seattle Police Chief Asks Why Black People Keep Dying In The 'Black Lives Matter' CHOP Zone" ... if she can't figure out why (it is obvious) then she needs to resign.

"London Spins Out Of Control As Met Police Abandon Streets" ... Mayor of London's fault, PM's fault?

"Welcome To The New (Pathologized) Totalitarianism" ... Lysenko but with germ warfare.  Capitalists and Communists agree, if the public isn't a useful fool as consumer, they are useless mouths to be eliminated.

"Social Credit Scores Are Already Here" ... enslavement to the NWO can't be stopped, loan officers are already checking out your social media posts.

""BUY OUR EXPLOITATIVE CRAP OR YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE" SAYS EVERY CORPORATION" ... war profiteering from domestic terrorism, usually by companies trading with the Chinese enemy.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on June 30, 2020, 03:53:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbxjBi2XsAYi9v4?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 30, 2020, 04:43:36 PM
Black revenge fantasy vs White revenge fantasy.  Cute.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on June 30, 2020, 05:17:02 PM
White couple aims guns at peaceful protestors (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/st-louis-couple-aims-guns-protesters-mayors-home-defund-police/)

I can't believe it's not domestic terrorism.

Hey the protesters were on private property threatening people. Who wouldn't take out a gun?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 30, 2020, 05:46:43 PM
(https://womenscenteratumbc.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/xkcd-devils-advocate.jpg?w=580)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 30, 2020, 06:10:38 PM
Hey the protesters were on private property threatening people. Who wouldn't take out a gun?

The crowd was passing through the neighbourhood on the way to the governor's house, and they walked out with their guns pointed at the protesters (which is brandishing a weapon [different from open carry] and generally illegal [unless it's against someone the government doesn't like]).

It also came after the Mayor publicly read the names of protesters and their home addresses, putting them at both job security and home security risks.

Fucking snowflake victim-card holders is all these two idiots were.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 30, 2020, 07:34:24 PM
Hey the protesters were on private property threatening people. Who wouldn't take out a gun?

They broke down a gate.  Wasn't one or two, but 500 assholes.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 30, 2020, 07:37:48 PM
The crowd was passing through the neighbourhood on the way to the governor's house, and they walked out with their guns pointed at the protesters (which is brandishing a weapon [different from open carry] and generally illegal [unless it's against someone the government doesn't like]).

It also came after the Mayor publicly read the names of protesters and their home addresses, putting them at both job security and home security risks.

Fucking snowflake victim-card holders is all these two idiots were.

If the violent mob, had stayed in the street, no problemo.  It is breaking down the gate that crossed the line.

Sorry, if someone broke into my property, and even if I knew who they were, I would shoot their ass.  Sorry.  As a communist, I might even chase them down the street if they were only wounded ;-)  I could always drag their useful idiot corpse back onto my property ;-))
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on June 30, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
SEATTLE MAYOR OUTRAGED THAT CHAZ PEOPLE SHOWED UP TO HER HOME, STL COUPLE FACE CRIMINAL CHARGES … they were sent there by city councilwoman.  Mayor is not happy with that councilwoman.  Terrorism is only against Republicans, not Democrats.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 30, 2020, 11:06:23 PM
Update: The two idiots who decided to pull guns on peaceful protesters are now being investigated for... wait for it... unlawfully brandishing a weapon! Play stupid games, win stupid prizes (and apparently the approval of the stupid).

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505241-st-louis-circuit-attorney-investigating-couple-that-pointed-guns-at

Funny enough, I don't see all the "responsible gun owners" rushing out of the woodworks to condemn them for misuse of a firearm.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on June 30, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
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If the violent mob, had stayed in the street, no problemo.  It is breaking down the gate that crossed the line.

It wasn't their gate, it was into the residential zone. They had to bypass that gate to get to the mayor, who fired the first shots and as a civil servant should not be free to isolate herself from her constituents.

And I am just going to assume now that when you and Munich say violent mob, you just mean black people, since it wasn't a violent mob.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on June 30, 2020, 11:41:48 PM
Update: The two idiots who decided to pull guns on peaceful protesters are now being investigated for... wait for it... unlawfully brandishing a weapon!
But someone on the internet said it was okay, so clearly the authorities are in the wrong!

I saw this guy on TV saying that he feared for his life and so I guess he had no choice but to reach for his pp replacement.  Or read the paper and let people walk down the road in peace.  Either option is equally rational.

I have just the product that could have solved this whole situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugaK9NQVwUg
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 01, 2020, 06:09:27 AM
(https://womenscenteratumbc.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/xkcd-devils-advocate.jpg?w=580)

Lets say for a minute you have a point. Let's also say that mob mentality is colorless. Because the mob consists of black people in a movement of BLM protests, your ethic working brain is like "How dare these "white" people take their guns out in front of these poor "peaceful" protesters." If the mob were white people or white KKK members against other white people you'd be on the couples side.

Hypocrisy and double standards.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 01, 2020, 08:19:19 AM
If a mob was marching through my yard, throwing things at my house and screaming death threats I wouldn't shoot them. I don't believe killing someone is the appropriate response to property destruction, theft or verbal threats. Everyone has the right to defend themselves but I have different criteria then many people when it comes to when lethal force is warranted. I'm as capable as anyone else of panicking and reacting with my lizard brain, which is why I don't own a gun.

If this couple was smart and actually concerned about their safety or their property they would have sat in lawn chairs, clapped and cheered as the protesters went by, recorded the protesters on video, and reported any threats or damage to the police and their insurance company. They said they actually support #BLM. They responded with their lizard brains and now are internet memes and possibly facing legal charges.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2020, 09:52:58 AM
It wasn't their gate, it was into the residential zone. They had to bypass that gate to get to the mayor, who fired the first shots and as a civil servant should not be free to isolate herself from her constituents.

And I am just going to assume now that when you and Munich say violent mob, you just mean black people, since it wasn't a violent mob.

I hope someone breaks down your privacy gate .... oh, don't have one in the ghetto where you live ...

I have a very little gate, at my trailer, in the trailer park.  Technically it belongs to the trailer park, not me.  It is easy enough to open.  So they have to at least go past that and try to break my door down or break my windows, in their peaceful righteous protest.  Kill all old men ... Ho, Ho, Ho Chih Minh.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2020, 09:54:34 AM
Update: The two idiots who decided to pull guns on peaceful protesters are now being investigated for... wait for it... unlawfully brandishing a weapon! Play stupid games, win stupid prizes (and apparently the approval of the stupid).

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505241-st-louis-circuit-attorney-investigating-couple-that-pointed-guns-at

Funny enough, I don't see all the "responsible gun owners" rushing out of the woodworks to condemn them for misuse of a firearm.

Perhaps.  I have worked with a lawyer (over my mother's estate).  A lawyer can prove that you are both Black and White at the same time, for $250 per hour.  The couple are attorneys, so is the DA.  Most DAs are elected.  Wonder if he/she is a Democrat?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2020, 09:59:55 AM
If a mob was marching through my yard, throwing things at my house and screaming death threats I wouldn't shoot them. I don't believe killing someone is the appropriate response to property destruction, theft or verbal threats. Everyone has the right to defend themselves but I have different criteria then many people when it comes to when lethal force is warranted. I'm as capable as anyone else of panicking and reacting with my lizard brain, which is why I don't own a gun.

If this couple was smart and actually concerned about their safety or their property they would have sat in lawn chairs, clapped and cheered as the protesters went by, recorded the protesters on video, and reported any threats or damage to the police and their insurance company. They said they actually support #BLM. They responded with their lizard brains and now are internet memes and possibly facing legal charges.

Your choice.  If you get to decide for others, you are a tyrant.  I also wouldn't shoot at them, a handgun isn't accurate at distance, I have to get it within one foot of your guts.  Don't keep bullets in the gun, because lizard brain.  Also, if I get too old some day, I won't keep a gun.  A kitchen knife is so much more interesting ;-)  Invite them in for "arsenic and old lace".  And Democrats make good Comet pizza topping.  Eating Roul!

Yes, today report it to the police.  But if the mayor says, the peaceful demonstrators can riot, loot, burn and kill you all they want, telling the police to stand down, where will you be?  If you are breathing, you are facing legal charges.  That is how America works.  My women are Christian pacifists ... they want to be martyred.  So I don't have to defend them.  Their choice.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2020, 10:08:23 AM
""A Single-Handed Symbol Of White Supremacy": Wisconsin Students Demand Removal Of Abraham Lincoln Statue" ... defund the commie colleges now!  They don't even know who Abraham Lincoln is.

""White Lives Don't Matter" Academic: "I Resist Urges To Kneecap White Men"" ... I do have urges to kneecap professors.

"Varoufakis Exposes The EU's COVID Class War" ... one Marxist tells the truth.  US or EU, never let a crisis go to waste.

"China Caught Smuggling 10,800 Assault Weapons Parts Into Louisville By US Customs" ... bad China, backing the KKK, the Nazis, the Republicans ... oh, wait ... qui bono?


Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on July 01, 2020, 10:26:00 AM
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Because the mob consists of black people in a movement of BLM protests, your ethic working brain is like "How dare these "white" people take their guns out in front of these poor "peaceful" protesters." If the mob were white people or white KKK members against other white people you'd be on the couples side.

Maybe because there is a difference between a crowd of peaceful protesters marching on the Mayor's estate because she put people at risk... and the fucking KKK.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2020, 10:35:34 AM
Maybe because there is a difference between a crowd of peaceful protesters marching on the Mayor's estate because she put people at risk... and the fucking KKK.

All White people are KKK, don't insult them by implying that White people are W African slave stock!  Sorry, all Dems are enemies of the state, in 1861, in 1961 and today.  Don't matter what they are doing, they are evil to the core.  Just ask Jefferson Davis and LBJ.

Which implies ... all the liberal White people here are KKK, and are LARPing as communists.  Love the neo-Abolitionists, Johnny Browns ... rush to the nearest Dem HQ and free the slaves ... oops, 160 years to late.  Definitely LARPing.

And this is all about drugs.  I knew as a kid, that getting addicted to drugs might force you into a life of crime.  Didn't know it would also force you to be a communist traitor (or just LARPing as one).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 01, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
Lets say for a minute you have a point. Let's also say that mob mentality is colorless. Because the mob consists of black people in a movement of BLM protests, your ethic working brain is like "How dare these "white" people take their guns out in front of these poor "peaceful" protesters." If the mob were white people or white KKK members against other white people you'd be on the couples side.

Hypocrisy and double standards.
If the "mob" were predominately white people, you absolutely would be singing a different story.  Don't dare accuse me of what you're guilty of.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2020, 02:46:00 PM
If the "mob" were predominately white people, you absolutely would be singing a different story.  Don't dare accuse me of what you're guilty of.

Tribal warfare ... fight club.  Give each person a knife, use a kerchief to tie their left hands together, with knife in each right hand.  Only one person survives!!

I really don't care if you are White tribe or Black tribe.  The obvious elephant in the room, is you vision yourself in a tribe, other than humanity as a whole.  You need to wear a breechclout and a bone thru your nose!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2020, 03:00:10 PM
“Silicon Valley vs The World” … of CCP, by CCP, for CCP

“The End of the Communist Utopia” … real CHOP has never been tried

"Seattle Police Dismantle CHOP After Protesters Threaten Mayor's $7 Million House" ... so is the mayors house why the city council member of color doxed her?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 01, 2020, 05:25:53 PM
If the "mob" were predominately white people, you absolutely would be singing a different story.  Don't dare accuse me of what you're guilty of.

"tunnel vision"
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 01, 2020, 05:59:46 PM
"tunnel vision"
Hey, genius.  I said it was pretty messed up to draw weapons on peaceful protestors just walking down the road.  And apparently the authorities got the same impression because they're getting charged.  And you know what, if it was a black couple drawing on a KKK march, I would say that's fucked up, too.  My values don't change because of race.  My impression of the situation doesn't change because of race.  But yours does.  That racist, hypocritical crap is all you, not me.  Hell, you even tried this crap with Shiranu and it didn't work there, either.  You played that card not because it fits, but because it's your only card.

So kindly spare me the stupid projectiony accusations.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 01, 2020, 06:15:47 PM
"tunnel vision"
Yes, that is what you seem to have when it comes to non-whites in this thread.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 01, 2020, 06:16:28 PM
Hey, genius.  I said it was pretty messed up to draw weapons on peaceful protestors just walking down the road.  And apparently the authorities got the same impression because they're getting charged.  And you know what, if it was a black couple drawing on a KKK march, I would say that's fucked up, too.  My values don't change because of race.  My impression of the situation doesn't change because of race.  But yours does.  That racist, hypocritical crap is all you, not me.  Hell, you even tried this crap with Shiranu and it didn't work there, either.  You played that card not because it fits, but because it's your only card.

So kindly spare me the stupid projectiony accusations.

Yet your calling me racist because I said you have "tunnel vision". Also when Shiranu baits me and denies things, I stop arguing to calm myself and because I'm talking to a wall. I find it funny whenever an argument comes up many of you are radical left biased crazy and not atleast skeptical at all of any source. Makes me wonder if you value logic and reason over political propaganda that controls your brain.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 01, 2020, 06:24:04 PM
Stop digging your hole.  You chose the wrong side from the very beginning and spend all your time trying to justify it and twist what other people are saying to you rather than figuring out the obvious.  Almost everyone else is far ahead of you and to be honest, there's absolutely zero reason for me to indulge your dumb rhetorical games any longer.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 01, 2020, 06:30:36 PM
In actual news:

a Florida officer was charged for pushing over a kneeling protestor (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fort-lauderdale-officer-who-pushed-over-kneeling-protester-video-charged-n1232606)

Pilly PD to fire SWAT officer for walking up to kneeling protestors, pulling down their masks, and then pepper-spraying them (https://www.inquirer.com/news/philadelphia-police-swat-richard-nicoletti-fired-pepper-spray-676-20200629.html).  He might even eventually get charged for it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 01, 2020, 06:35:04 PM
Stop digging your hole.  You chose the wrong side from the very beginning and spend all your time trying to justify it and twist what other people are saying to you rather than figuring out the obvious.  Almost everyone else is far ahead of you and to be honest, there's absolutely zero reason for me to indulge your dumb rhetorical games any longer.

Wall
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 01, 2020, 07:48:45 PM
Wall
Are you speaking of trump's wall??  Are you a fan???
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 01, 2020, 08:06:48 PM
Robert E. Lee's descendant says 'take down his statue':

The Robert E. Lee Monument was the first monument unveiled on Monument Avenue in Richmond, Virginia, paying homage to the confederate general who had died two decades earlier in 1870. After over a century, its future is now in question as a federal judge granted a temporary injunction against Gov. Ralph Northam's order to remove the statue. 
"That statue has been there for a long time. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now. So we're taking it down," Northam said during a press conference announcing the removal of the statue. 
Next to him stood Robert W. Lee IV, pastor of Unifour Church and descendent of Lee himself.  

, “Robert E. Lee is my ancestor. Take down his statue, and let his cause be lost.”

"I am fully aware that the broken, racist system we have built on the Lost Cause is far larger than a single statue, but the statue of my ancestor has stood for years in Richmond as an idol of this white supremacist mind-set. The statue is a hollow reminder of a painful ideology and acts of oppression against black people. Taking it down will provide new opportunities for conversations, relationships and policy change," he wrote in The Washington Post.  
Lee acknowledged the concerns of his "fellow Southerners" of the loss of Lee's legacy and Southern heritage, but suggests they are born out of a fear of change. 
"Others of us have worked for generations to escape the scorn my family — and the Lost Cause mythology — has brought upon the nation. And for many of us, removing the statue of Lee was a culmination of years of work. For me, this symbolic gesture stands at the start of a new way of life in the South, a new cause that could replace the Lost Cause mentality if we get this right," he wrote.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 01, 2020, 09:15:50 PM
Virtue signaling by evil Yankees.  Going to burn Atlanta again?  Yep!

"Seattle Mayor Durkan asks City Council to investigate, possibly expel socialist councilwoman over protest actions" ... cat fight!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 01, 2020, 09:56:32 PM
Yet your calling me racist because I said you have "tunnel vision". Also when Shiranu baits me and denies things, I stop arguing to calm myself and because I'm talking to a wall. I find it funny whenever an argument comes up many of you are radical left biased crazy and not atleast skeptical at all of any source. Makes me wonder if you value logic and reason over political propaganda that controls your brain.
Mate, a couple years ago you were talking about how you wanted to fuck your cousins. You don't get to accuse other people of being crazy.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 01, 2020, 11:47:44 PM
Something seems to get lost when talking about the Confederacy.  Robert E. Lee, AP Hill, Stonewall Jackson (and all the other officer 'hero's) all the way down to the lowest ranking private--all, every single one of them, were NOT Americans.  They elected to leave the United States of America.  Let me repeat--they were NOT US citizens.  All of them were traitors to the United States of America.  Their Just Cause turned out to be the Lost Cause.  Yet we treat them as hero's??!!  Why?  One reason is that the history of politics in the USA was/is controlled by rich white men.  As has been seen, rich white men find more kinship with other rich white men, even of the Confederacy--even traitors. Why has the statues and monuments of the Civil War 'heroes' been erected to begin with and why have they been allowed to stay????   
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 01, 2020, 11:53:15 PM
Why has the statues and monuments of the Civil War 'heroes' been erected to begin with and why have they been allowed to stay????
Timeline of Confederate statues (https://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170816135714-gfx-monuments-over-time-splc.jpg)

Decades after the Confederacy collapsed and purely coincidentally, it peaked right as the NAACP was founded.  And another, much smaller peak during the Civil Rights Era.

It's almost as if there was something else going on besides honoring the war dead.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on July 02, 2020, 08:06:18 AM
karen, is that you?
(https://pic.dailycelebuk.com/mtpic/20200702/20200702194358_90221.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on July 02, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
Something seems to get lost when talking about the Confederacy.  Robert E. Lee, AP Hill, Stonewall Jackson (and all the other officer 'hero's) all the way down to the lowest ranking private--all, every single one of them, were NOT Americans.  They elected to leave the United States of America.  Let me repeat--they were NOT US citizens.  All of them were traitors to the United States of America.  Their Just Cause turned out to be the Lost Cause.  Yet we treat them as hero's??!!  Why?  One reason is that the history of politics in the USA was/is controlled by rich white men.  As has been seen, rich white men find more kinship with other rich white men, even of the Confederacy--even traitors. Why has the statues and monuments of the Civil War 'heroes' been erected to begin with and why have they been allowed to stay????
You know us Southern gals just love 'Colonel Angus'. When he comes through my parts I hope he lingers a good while.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 02, 2020, 08:58:41 AM
Something seems to get lost when talking about the Confederacy.  Robert E. Lee, AP Hill, Stonewall Jackson (and all the other officer 'hero's) all the way down to the lowest ranking private--all, every single one of them, were NOT Americans.  They elected to leave the United States of America.  Let me repeat--they were NOT US citizens.  All of them were traitors to the United States of America.  Their Just Cause turned out to be the Lost Cause.  Yet we treat them as hero's??!!  Why?  One reason is that the history of politics in the USA was/is controlled by rich white men.  As has been seen, rich white men find more kinship with other rich white men, even of the Confederacy--even traitors. Why has the statues and monuments of the Civil War 'heroes' been erected to begin with and why have they been allowed to stay????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederates_in_the_Attic

Some people are still fighting the Civil War.  Some are Yankees.

The US has yet to recover from the California Freak Revolution of 1965-1975.  In that case, there are people alive today who still remember it, unlike the Civil War ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 02, 2020, 08:59:30 AM
Timeline of Confederate statues (https://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170816135714-gfx-monuments-over-time-splc.jpg)

Decades after the Confederacy collapsed and purely coincidentally, it peaked right as the NAACP was founded.  And another, much smaller peak during the Civil Rights Era.

It's almost as if there was something else going on besides honoring the war dead.

Yes, we had the failure of Republican Reconstruction after 1875, and the institution of Jim Crow.  What the US needed was Karl Marx, just ask the NYT.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 02, 2020, 09:39:01 AM
Timeline of Confederate statues (https://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170816135714-gfx-monuments-over-time-splc.jpg)

Decades after the Confederacy collapsed and purely coincidentally, it peaked right as the NAACP was founded.  And another, much smaller peak during the Civil Rights Era.

It's almost as if there was something else going on besides honoring the war dead.
Thanks for the chart--I had not seen that before.  The KKK began it second coming in the mid teens--a few years later there was a huge influx of Confederate statues.  Could it be that these were reminders to our 'colored' populace to remain in their place? 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 02, 2020, 10:18:24 AM
https://www.history.com/news/how-the-u-s-got-so-many-confederate-monuments

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which maintains a list of these monuments, the memorials are spread over 31 states plus the District of Columbia—far exceeding the 11 Confederate states that seceded at the outset of the Civil War.

Most of these monuments did not go up immediately after the war’s end in 1865. During that time, commemorative markers of the Civil War tended to be memorials that mourned soldiers who had died, says Mark Elliott, a history professor at University of North Carolina, Greensboro.

“Eventually they started to build [Confederate] monuments,” he says. “The vast majority of them were built between the 1890s and 1950s, which matches up exactly with the era of Jim Crow segregation.” According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, the biggest spike was between 1900 and the 1920s.

In contrast to the earlier memorials that mourned dead soldiers, these monuments tended to glorify leaders of the Confederacy like General Robert E. Lee, former President of the Confederacy Jefferson Davis and General “Thomas Stonewall” Jackson.

“All of those monuments were there to teach values to people,” Elliott says. “That’s why they put them in the city squares. That’s why they put them in front of state buildings.” Many earlier memorials had instead been placed in cemeteries.

The values these monuments stood for, he says, included a “glorification of the cause of the Civil War.”

White women were instrumental in raising funds to build these Confederate monuments. The United Daughters of the Confederacy, founded in the 1890s, was probably the most important and influential group, Elliott says.

By then, the construction of new Confederate monuments had begun to taper off, but the backlash to the Civil Rights Movement was spreading Confederate symbols in other ways: In 1956, Georgia redesigned its state flag to include the Confederate battle flag; and in 1962, South Carolina placed the flag atop its capitol building. In a 2016 report, the Southern Poverty Law Center said that the country’s more than 700 monuments were part of roughly 1,500 symbols of the Confederacy in public spaces.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: aitm on July 02, 2020, 10:47:11 AM
Mate, a couple years ago you were talking about how you wanted to fuck your cousins. You don't get to accuse other people of being crazy.
Now hold on there....wanting to fuck your cousin and actually fuckin your cousin is two different things. I know.


Er.......skip that last part....
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 02, 2020, 01:11:01 PM
I want monuments erected to the great freak war of 1965-1975 ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 03, 2020, 12:26:36 PM
I think this post fits in that thread.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/washington-redskins-to-review-racist-team-name_n_5eff4ab2c5b6ca97091dc24c

Washington Redskins To Review Racist Team Name.

It is well fucking past time to make this happen.  Once again, a old, rich, white guy gets to do whatever the fuck he wants.  Now many of the corps that pay for advertising are demanding a change.  The only way to make a rich white man to change is to attack his wallet.  Well, there is a hypothesis out there that the law can do that.  But, as typical, the law is always trumped (pun intended) by money.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2020, 12:38:02 PM
Changing team names is old news.  Change all team names to "overpriced african-americans who feel oppressed" ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 03, 2020, 09:08:36 PM
karen, is that you?

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/81/e2/a4/81e2a47d4263eb3c0e34673696bb17da.jpg)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2020, 09:12:14 PM
Wisdom from the past ...

“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.” ― Malcolm X

The Internet has changed all that, and the usual suspects aren't happy.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 03, 2020, 09:19:29 PM
Two officers who murdered a guy a year ago are now charged with murder (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/two-oklahoma-officers-stuns-gun-man-dozens-times-charged-with-murder/)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 05, 2020, 03:24:38 PM
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” - George Orwell, 1984 ... Democrats so uncreative they use "1984" as a political agenda.

"LEFTIST HIT BY CAR DIES, BLACK MAN CHARGED FOR IT, BLM LEADERS QUITTING DUE TO FAR LEFT AND ANTIFA" ... sad.  Don't be blocking highways at midnight.  Don't drive around a road block because you are a stupid driver.  Of course BLM leaders are quiting, now that they will be arrested for insurrection.  BLM isn't a failure, real BLM has never been tried.

PS - back in the day ...

"Protesters rally at Atlanta jail, demand release of woman accused in Wendy’s arson" ... back in the day, the KKK would rally outside the jail not to break some criminal out, but to lynch them.  Modern mob rule is so much more woke.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2020, 09:18:14 AM
"LEFTISTS RETURN TO ARMED COUPLES HOUSE THIS TIME ARMED SECURITY WAS READY" ... I guess like the Minneapolis city councilors.  They get free guards, who are not cops.

"BLM AND BOOGALOO BOIS TEAM UP TO DEFEND THE SECOND AMENDMENT" ... proof this is all crisis actors.  Both sides are totally American.

"POLICE DEMORALIZATION HAS CAUSED CRIME TO SKYROCKET IN MAJOR CITIES" ... if the criminals are heroes then the police will choose a life of crime too.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 06, 2020, 02:56:51 PM
Armed protestors march through Confederate memorial park (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-usa-stone-mountain-idUSKBN24605G)

(https://preview.redd.it/tts4mpwp69951.jpg?width=640&height=958&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=beeba158d57222bf9de90ca9d82a183853b7db04)

Quote
One video clip showed a leader of the demonstrators, who was not identified, shouting into a loudspeaker in a challenge to white supremacists who historically have used Stone Mountain as a rallying spot of their own.

“I don’t see no white militia,” he declared. “We’re here. Where ... you at? We’re in your house. Let’s go.”
A bit more militant than I would prefer, but at least they were peaceful and had the decency to not actually point their guns at people, evidently showing more restraint than both the PD and white supremacists known to stalk these sorts of protests.

Unsurprisingly, no one decided to attack or threaten or wave guns at an armed protest.  Apparently the lesson here is that if you protest peacefully and unarmed, a certain segment of the populace take this apparent vulnerability as an opportunity to strike.  And worryingly, a much larger segment will lick the boots of that first segment, turning barbaric violence into a political issue and its wrongness is merely a matter of political opinion, much like masks or global warming.  The solution?  Come dressed for the occasion.  People who perceive themselves as white lions tend to think twice before attacking rhinos.

Interesting trivia fact:  back in the 60s, when the Black Panthers carried guns in protest (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-california-open-carry-ban/) much like this one, a lot of people rather suspiciously changed their minds about open carry laws.  Methinks the motivating factor wasn't rising gun deaths in general or school shootings in specific.  Odd.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2020, 06:12:55 PM
Armed people make both sides polite.  If there had been a large body of unarmed pro-Confederate folks there, it might have gone different.  Blacks are no more pacifists than are Whites.  Violence is never necessary by anyone, except it promotes politics and the evening news ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 06, 2020, 11:14:44 PM
I don't support just any yahoo walking around with firearms. Repeal the Second Amendment. It's antiquated and is blocking any kind of sensible gun legislation.

A spate of shootings throughout the US left more than 150 people wounded and nearly two-dozen dead so far this weekend, including 67 gunshot victims in Chicago over a blood-splattered weekend, according to reports.

Police said 13 people were killed in separate shootings in the Second City, including a 7-year-old girl who was at a Fourth of July party in the city’s Austin neighborhood and a 14-year-old boy, the Chicago Sun-Times reported Sunday.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 06, 2020, 11:30:37 PM
Yeah, there was a shooting death in Durham NC from celebratory gunfire.  Sad.  :(

I don't really have a problem with guns used wisely and purely defensively.  It's the offensive people we have to worry about.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 06, 2020, 11:39:55 PM
And while I'm thinking about it, anyone considering marking a special occasion with celebratory gunfire should aim it at their feet before pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2020, 11:55:20 PM
I don't support just any yahoo walking around with firearms. Repeal the Second Amendment. It's antiquated and is blocking any kind of sensible gun legislation.

A spate of shootings throughout the US left more than 150 people wounded and nearly two-dozen dead so far this weekend, including 67 gunshot victims in Chicago over a blood-splattered weekend, according to reports.

Police said 13 people were killed in separate shootings in the Second City, including a 7-year-old girl who was at a Fourth of July party in the city’s Austin neighborhood and a 14-year-old boy, the Chicago Sun-Times reported Sunday.

I don't trust Democrats with an armed toothbrush.  They might have Warsaw Pact tendencies ;-)

Yes, vigilantism is a bad idea, of course.  Reptile mind will misuse weapons by untrained civilians.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2020, 11:56:23 PM
And while I'm thinking about it, a word of advice for anyone considering marking a special occasion with celebratory gunfire:  aim it at your feet before pulling the trigger.

My dad and I fired a 22 rifle bullet straight up one time.  Sure enough, it came down very close to us.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: trdsf on July 08, 2020, 07:18:36 PM
I don't support just any yahoo walking around with firearms. Repeal the Second Amendment. It's antiquated and is blocking any kind of sensible gun legislation.
At the very least, any violent offense, whether or not a gun was involved, should carry a lifetime ban from owning firearms.  Especially domestic violence and child abuse.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2020, 10:59:26 PM
"SEATTLE HOLDS SEGREGATED TRAINING TO "UNDO WHITENESS," THE NEW RELIGION IS HERE" ... Bwahaha.

"ARMY GOES FULL ON FAR LEFT, CONDEMNS "MAGA" AS RACIST" ... only a faction of it.  Gen Lee rides again.  LBJ convinced African-Americans that the Dems were the good guys and the Republicans were the bad guys.  Racial baiting and buying votes.  It was very successful, and has damaged African-Americans ever since (aka modern Dem plantation).
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 10, 2020, 10:00:07 PM
Fuller death ruled suicide after investigation (https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/09/889566552/death-of-robert-fuller-who-was-found-hanging-from-tree-ruled-suicide)

Quote
Robert Fuller's death was initially ruled a suicide, but that conclusion outraged his family, who insisted that he would not take his own life. Locals, too, were skeptical, citing the area's troubled racial history. Thousands of people turned out in Palmdale in the days after Fuller's death to demand an independent investigation by California's attorney general into what many believed was a lynching.
The timing was also a bit strange; Fuller had been at a BLM protest just a day before his death.

Quote
On Thursday, authorities said they had pored over the evidence and determined that Fuller's death was consistent with suicide and that a number of factors had led them to rule out other possibilities.

Fuller had a history of mental illness, and there were prior reports of suicidal ideation and that he had disclosed "a plan to kill himself" prior to his death, sheriff's Commander Chris Marks said at a news conference.
I didn't know all that.  Definitely makes suicide the more likely scenario here.

I hereby withdraw my initial skepticism about this story.  It does seem to be exactly what authorities initially concluded to be.  I consider it a good thing that the authorities took local/national fears seriously, investigated it, and were transparent with their findings.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on July 11, 2020, 11:50:37 PM
For some good news...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ecsc7RRXkAEVrGt?format=jpg&name=medium)

75-some redneck dumbasses spent all day down in Houston just standing around a Sam Houston defending it from the imminent threat of BLM tearing it down. Apparently some old white woman on Facebook claimed that BLM had rented a bulldozer and left it "disguised" underneath 45 to later tear down the 67-foot tall, 25 ton statue. Some context about 45... it is literally ALWAYS under construction, and there is always work crew equipment nearby.

Needless to say, no one ever came to tear down the statue and this morons spent all day in 108 degree, humid as fuck weather looking like a bunch of clowns.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 12, 2020, 02:04:59 AM
I'm sure they will tear it down later just to piss the "75-some rednecks" off.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on July 12, 2020, 02:16:02 AM
Every highway in Houston is in a constant state of construction... They'll close down half the lanes, do five minutes of work, and leave up the construction zone signs and traffic cones for years. I abhor ever having to leave the house, because traffic ranges from bad to sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic for an hour to make a single left turn. There's no public transportation, unless you live downtown, and everything is a minimum of 30 minutes away.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on July 12, 2020, 02:28:11 AM
Every highway in Houston is in a constant state of construction... They'll close down half the lines, do five minutes of work, and leave up the construction zone signs and traffic cones for years. I abhor ever having to leave the house, because traffic ranges from bad to sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic for an hour to make a single left turn. There's no public transportation, unless you live downtown, and everything is a minimum of 30 minutes away.

True that. Here near Austin, it was one thing when the traffic mostly just backed up into the city... but nowadays with construction and the importation of Californians and New Yorkers on a bad day that traffic backs up sometimes as far as a little bit past Kyle, 24 minutes away. I love Houston from the few times I've been there, but even compared to Austin it's traffic is fucking horrendous at times.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 12, 2020, 04:56:49 AM
My brother lives in Houston and before that in Dallas. Every time I go up there it takes 3x longer than Austin.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 12, 2020, 02:03:03 PM
True that. Here near Austin, it was one thing when the traffic mostly just backed up into the city... but nowadays with construction and the importation of Californians and New Yorkers on a bad day that traffic backs up sometimes as far as a little bit past Kyle, 24 minutes away. I love Houston from the few times I've been there, but even compared to Austin it's traffic is fucking horrendous at times.

I have been on the Houston beltway.  Don't some lanes change direction depending on the time of day?  If I remember correctly, that is horrifying.  There is a N/S road in Atlanta that has the middle lane change depending on time of day, to accommodate people commuting into or out of the city.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 12, 2020, 02:27:32 PM
Lots o' news lately.  I know it's not really the hot news item to talk about anymore, but it's still going on, regardless of whether or not it's the lead story.

Protestors confront Allentown PA mayor about a cop putting his knee on a man's neck (https://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-nws-allentown-black-lives-matter-protests-video-20200712-wu5dqi37e5fufhcq52u6ikmvzi-story.html).  Man, these guys are slow learners, if they're learning at all.

Florida sergeant fired for pointing his gun at the head of a man in custody (https://www.policeone.com/officer-misconduct-internal-affairs/articles/fla-sergeant-fired-arrested-after-pointing-gun-at-head-of-man-in-custody-ZSuMnidc9aCcFAdd/).  Blac...bladed stance?

Portland police shoot protestor in the head, causing facial/skull fractures (https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-officers-portland-protester-shot-less-lethal-munitions/).  Weird how these less-than-lethal weapons keep seem to discharge themselves at people's eyes and faces and at people who largely were not presently engaged in violence.  Less-than-lethal weapons are supposed to give officers an alternative to lethal weapons in life-threatening situations, but evidently, their actual purpose is to give officers a handy way to escalate situations and justify it later.

Remember those Wilmington NC cops who were caught on candid camera apparently plotting to kill black people, wishing death on their own community and a fellow cop to boot?  Well, one of them is  appealing his dismissal on the grounds that his comments are simply a statement of his "religious beliefs" (https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2020/07/11/wilmington-officer-appeals-for-reinstatement-claims-racially-charged-comments-protected-by-religious-beliefs/).  He's the one with the hot take that police taking a knee in solidarity with protestors constitutes them worshiping black people.  At first glance, this bizarre and racially-charged reasoning might not seem to make a whole lot of logical sense, but right-wingers like to invoke stuff like this so that their hatred and malice is protected while the same sort of behavior is absolutely not okay for anyone else.  Rules for thee, not for me.

And in a different Wilmington - this one in Delaware - is in the news because protestors want to reopen the 2015 case where a guy in a wheelchair was shot and killed by police (https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protesters-demand-reopening-delaware-police-shooting-71736757).

Virginia officer fired for lying (https://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-sheriffs-deputy-fired-lying-attacked-found-unconscious/story?id=71737591), claiming he was attacked when he was found lying down on the side of the road.  Dunno what he was doing that caused him to lie like that.  Or what caused him to lay down.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 12, 2020, 02:29:40 PM
"BLM SUPPORTER SHOOTS WOMAN FOR SAYING 'ALL LIVES MATTER' AND NEWS TRIES TO COVER IT UP" ... in Indianapolis, woman killed was Hispanic.  BLM, the Klan with a tan.  In the initial confrontation, both sides were armed, they slit up, then BLM shot her from a bridge.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 12, 2020, 02:47:47 PM
Two more:

Remember that video where an officer shoved over a 75-year-old onto concrete, causing him to bleed from the head and giving him a skull fracture?  Well, the two officers involved are back on the payroll (https://www.wkbw.com/news/local-news/suspended-buffalo-police-officers-back-on-payroll).  Getting paid $80,000 a year to send gramps to the hospital.  Who says crime doesn't pay?

Three LAPD officers face felony charges for falsely labeling people as "gang members" (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/three-lapd-officers-face-felony-charges-falsely-labeling-people-gang-n1233412)

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According to a 59-count criminal complaint, the three were charged with conspiracy, filing false reports, and preparing fraudulent documents for court.
And btw, 21 additional officers are still under investigation.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 12, 2020, 08:27:28 PM
"BLUE LIVES MATTER PROTESTS ERUPT ACROSS US AS CONSERVATIVES START SPEAKING OUT" ... silent majority who aren't criminals

Y'all - kill the Republicans
Them - killl the Democrats
Me - selling beer and hotdogs ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2020, 12:40:17 PM
"TRUMP TELLS MINNESOTA TO TAKE CARE ITS OWN LEFTIST RIOTER PROBLEM, REFUSES TO SEND MONEY" ... reminds me of 45 years ago when President Ford told NYC to "Drop Dead".  Let the Democrat nut jobs clean up their own mess.  On the other hand, the gangster rap Blacks brought this upon themselves.  Their culture not mine.  What Minneapolis needs is spare stunt dragons from Game of Thrones ... just reduce that Dem city to ash.  Go Daenerys Targaryen, toxic feminism ho!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Rosycheeked_rebel on July 13, 2020, 02:31:40 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2020, 02:45:02 PM
You don't remember the 60s, do you ;-)  Back then, it was revolutionary to unbutton the top button of your dress shirt, to wear bell bottoms ;-)

I don't envy teachers now.  Particularly public school ones.  My Ex teaches at a private school ... the children wouldn't dare misbehave.  As I understand it, they don't teach Civics anymore (too many old hippies teaching now).  We had Civics in 9th grade.  Social studies/American history in later years.  I don't think any of that is taught in public schools now.  They basically have defaulted on their reason for operating.  Close them, put all the kids in home school or private school.  Don't arrest parents who spank their brats.

Based on my daughter's Millennial education, they didn't get much education (other than English grammar).  She learned arithmetic when we gave her a checking account.  Babysitting for irresponsible Boomer parents.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2020, 04:56:55 PM
"BLM Supporters Ambush, Murder Young White Mother For Saying 'All Lives Matter'" ... of course they do.  Arrest and execute without trial, any militants.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 13, 2020, 05:35:37 PM
"BLM Supporters Ambush, Murder Young White Mother For Saying 'All Lives Matter'" ... of course they do.  Arrest and execute without trial, any militants.

This story strikes me as a bit less "black and white" than the headline suggests. The woman and "a group of friends", who all happen to be armed, were walking around Indianapolis Canal Walk, where two people were murdered the week before in an armed robbery, at around 3 a.m. A "group of strangers" confronted the woman's group. Guns were drawn and an argument ensued in which someone in the suspect group shouted 'Black Lives Matter,' to which the woman or someone in her group replied "All Lives Matter."

The groups 'then fist bumped and walked away from each other,' but then her boyfriend says they were ambushed from a nearby bridge and ran away. Boyfriend admits he returned fire but says he didn't hit anyone.

This sounds more like a gang confrontation then the murder of a woman who may or may not have said "All Lives Matter." I'm not disparaging any of the people involved but the political spin being put on this incident.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 13, 2020, 05:56:11 PM
"BLUE LIVES MATTER PROTESTS ERUPT ACROSS US AS CONSERVATIVES START SPEAKING OUT" ... silent majority who aren't criminals

Y'all - kill the Republicans
Them - killl the Democrats
Me - selling beer and hotdogs ;-)

And kill the retired! We've just got that one in. The memo says the old men who can't deal with getting retired should be killed because they're spreading too much bullshit. ;-)

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2020, 05:58:52 PM
This story strikes me as a bit less "black and white" than the headline suggests. The woman and "a group of friends", who all happen to be armed, were walking around Indianapolis Canal Walk, where two people were murdered the week before in an armed robbery, at around 3 a.m. A "group of strangers" confronted the woman's group. Guns were drawn and an argument ensued in which someone in the suspect group shouted 'Black Lives Matter,' to which the woman or someone in her group replied "All Lives Matter."

The groups 'then fist bumped and walked away from each other,' but then her boyfriend says they were ambushed from a nearby bridge and ran away. Boyfriend admits he returned fire but says he didn't hit anyone.

This sounds more like a gang confrontation then the murder of a woman who may or may not have said "All Lives Matter." I'm not disparaging any of the people involved but the political spin being put on this incident.

Gangs are normal now.  Not meetings between monks and nuns (for a little sin).  Everything has political spin.  Get used to it.  I lived in a Hispanic gang neighborhood when my daughter was born.  I gave them respect, spoke a little Spanish.  One had to emotionally deal with the gangland assassination 100 years away at the phone boot outside the 7-11 store ;-)

BLM is a gang, a Marxist gang.  I will not give them any respect.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2020, 06:02:26 PM
You don't remember the 60s, do you ;-)  Back then, it was revolutionary to unbutton the top button of your dress shirt, to wear bell bottoms ;-)

I don't envy teachers now.  Particularly public school ones.  My Ex teaches at a private school ... the children wouldn't dare misbehave.  As I understand it, they don't teach Civics anymore (too many old hippies teaching now).  We had Civics in 9th grade.  Social studies/American history in later years.  I don't think any of that is taught in public schools now.  They basically have defaulted on their reason for operating.  Close them, put all the kids in home school or private school.  Don't arrest parents who spank their brats.

Based on my daughter's Millennial education, they didn't get much education (other than English grammar).  She learned arithmetic when we gave her a checking account.  Babysitting for irresponsible Boomer parents.

“It doesn’t matter what a student knows because he can just go online and look it up.” - this is what followed the "It doesn't matter what a student knows because he can just go to the Carnegie library and look it up".  That and extending Montessori teaching from pre-school all the way to college.  The teachers were professional failures, since 1910 when "progressive" education started.  Basically knowledge isn't taught, and they don't even bother to teach how to learn competently.  This didn't improve with unionization and Dem politics.

"Parents Are Paying $50,000 To Reserve Spots At NYC Private Schools Even Though Kids May Never Attend" ... how the Elite live.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 14, 2020, 09:40:48 PM
"WOKE FEDERAL EMPLOYEES DEMAND CDC DECLARE RACISM A 'PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS'" ... Democrats violating the Hatch Act.  Fire them.  Deport them to Somalia.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 15, 2020, 02:27:26 PM
"NICK CANNON FIRED AFTER VILE RANT GOES VIRAL, TERRY CREWS ONCE AGAINST CALLS OUT BLM GOING TOO FAR" ... Cannon is a racist and an anti-Semite.  Burn all these N-words down.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Rosycheeked_rebel on July 15, 2020, 06:41:46 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 15, 2020, 07:18:35 PM
Yeah, Rosy, you make sense.  And you offer me a view of things I can never have.  I am an old white guy.  I've seen things, I've lived things.  But right now I am so sick of being 'led' by rich white guys...................Old white guys have been leaders of this country from it's inception.  Yeah, some of it was done right, but soooooooooooo much was done wrong and it has stayed wrong.  The orange monster has removed the cover of the cesspool, and made it obvious to all who want to look.  Our society is (has been) broken and I'm not sure how to fix it, for it is not just one thing and it is not a simple fix.  I will not live long enough to see a safe, and sane society in this country--I know that.  But some progress I'd love to see.  If the orange monster keeps his power this country is finished.  Biden is, of course, another rich, old white guy.  Maybe after Biden's term (and win he must), we can see some changes in the power structure.  People of your age group are our only answer; it is a daunting problem(s) but I think our youth are up for it.  Here's hoping.........................

And so Rosy, keep on keeping on..............................
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 16, 2020, 01:30:07 PM
"The generation now coming out of Western schools is unable to distinguish good from bad. Even those words are unacceptable. This results in impaired thinking ability." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 16, 2020, 01:39:15 PM
Bodycam video shows officer pulled gun on George Floyd early on (https://www.startribune.com/bodycam-video-shows-minneapolis-police-officer-pulled-gun-on-george-floyd-early-on/571778072/)

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Body-worn camera footage from former Minneapolis police officer Thomas Lane showed that George Floyd was given no explanation for why he was being questioned before Lane pointed a gun and swore at him, touched him multiple times and forced him out of his vehicle into the street.

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The Star Tribune viewed Lane’s and Kueng’s videos, which showed that neither officer told Floyd nor his two passengers why they were being investigated that night until several minutes after the encounter began and after Floyd had already been handcuffed.

Lane’s video showed that medics at the scene did not appear alarmed or rushed in assisting Floyd after taking his pulse, and that about three minutes passed before anyone began performing cardiopulmonary resuscitation on Floyd, who had been unresponsive for several minutes by then.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2020, 01:28:23 PM
"Seattle City Council Member Suggests Firing White Officers In Massive Reduction Of Police Department" ... says a White woman, fire all the White city council member first, and put their meat on Comet Pizza.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 17, 2020, 02:16:00 PM
Fired cop charged with murder (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fired-cop-charged-with-murder-for-using-chokehold-on-latino-man/)

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A former police officer in New Mexico was charged Thursday with second-degree murder after authorities said he killed a Latino detainee he had placed in a chokehold.

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Police say Smelser applied the chokehold after a foot chase in February after Valenzuela fled during a traffic stop.

After the chase, Smelser can be heard on police video saying, "I'm going to (expletive) choke you out, bro."

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Smelser's attorney, Amy L. Orlando, called the new charge sad and suggested it was a political move meant to grab headlines.

"Officer Smelser used a technique that was sanctioned by the department. He was trained in the technique. And of a sudden it's banned after and he's a criminal," Orlando told The Associated Press.
Presumably, the lawyer also added that he stabbed a guy on the way to his client and that's okay unless crybaby liberals decide to make it all political.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2020, 02:32:25 PM
Liberals aren't crybabies.  They have hemophilia, bleeding heart liberals ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Rosycheeked_rebel on July 17, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2020, 03:01:59 PM
Honestly, what do we make of the police after all of this?

Let’s put aside “ACAB” and “not all cops” for a second, and just admit objectively, yes, not all cops are bad. The reason my piece of shit father was finally removed from the home was because the cops intervened (and arrested him for interrupting my call to 911, that’s a misdemeanor in New York...wish I was allowed to see that). Every single interaction I’ve had with the police has been mostly positive thus far, I have yet to be racially profiled or stopped for being Black. The only things I’ve been disappointed by in my personal life have been seeing how UPD, and police in general, let down sexual assault/rape victims and survivors. However, there are clear problems with the way policing is done and how poor actions by cops are handled by their departments and superiors. Since George Floyd’s death, they’ve assaulted elderly people, pregnant women,  and children in extreme ways, shot out eyes or made people lose their vision in one way or another, have been proven to make peaceful protests turn violent, and violated protester’s constitutional rights with the way they’re arresting them. It doesn’t matter if not all cops are doing this, enough are, they’re not getting held accountable, and it’s been unsettling to watch.

I don’t know think defunding the police is the answer (people can’t even agree on what that means and would entail, so yeah), but there definitely needs to be great reform or something. I think a lot of people have lost a lot of trust and hope in police due to what George’s death has opened the door to.

Never supported "lock holds" or "shoot suspect while suspect is fleeing".  Don't support putting military gear in the hands of police who have no business having it.  Swat teams are too glamourous.  No Knock raids by non-uniformed police are bad bad.  That and they keep breaking into the wrong house!  Also, the US has way too many laws.  Millions of them.  People commit three felonies each day on average.  Politicians need to take most laws off the books.  The cops didn't write these laws.  The politicians put them there, and only they can remove them.  Each law passed in the past is an electoral lie for a rigged election nobody alive now remembers.  The idea in people's heads, that they are violating many of these laws, erodes any support they may have for the legitimate laws.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2020, 03:53:32 PM
As an advocate of Native American rights against all the visa violators ...

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia_prod.opengov.ibmcloud.com/files/assets/public/pdf/Indian_Land_Areas_Judicially_Established_1978_and_AI_Reservations.pdf

The Muskogee tribal decision by SCOTUS lets activists reexamine the status of all these lands, not just in Oklahoma.  So basically nobody in California owns any land unless they are a California Native American (I knew years ago this was true with Palm Springs).  The Native Americans have every right to cancel state/county/city rights over these lands (but not reservation lands).  And the Federal government is the quarantor of these treaties, so with reservation permission, the Feds can operate on these lands without the say so of state/county/city.

I hope the BLM folks enjoy their deportation to Africa (White and Black folks both).  Ebola await you!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 17, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
However, there are clear problems with the way policing is done and how poor actions by cops are handled by their departments and superiors. Since George Floyd’s death, they’ve assaulted elderly people, pregnant women,  and children in extreme ways, shot out eyes or made people lose their vision in one way or another, have been proven to make peaceful protests turn violent, and violated protester’s constitutional rights with the way they’re arresting them. It doesn’t matter if not all cops are doing this, enough are, they’re not getting held accountable, and it’s been unsettling to watch.

I don’t know think defunding the police is the answer (people can’t even agree on what that means and would entail, so yeah), but there definitely needs to be great reform or something. I think a lot of people have lost a lot of trust and hope in police due to what George’s death has opened the door to.
It's distressingly difficult to find those demands for reform, especially phrased in concrete policy terms.

Here's what I was able to find:

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1)  Create an independent inspector body to investigate police misconduct and criminal allegations and controls evidence like body camera footage. Any use of lethal force shall trigger an automatic investigation by this body.

2)  ⁠Create a requirement for states to establish board certification with minimum education and training requirements to provide licensing for police. In order to be a law enforcement officer, you must possess this license. The inspector body in #1 can revoke the license.

3)  ⁠Refocus police resources on training, de-escalation, and community building.

4)  Adopt the “absolute necessity” doctrine for lethal force as implemented in other states. "I feared for my life" is no longer a valid excuse.

5)  ⁠Codify into law the requirement for police to have positive control over the evidence chain of custody. If the chain of custody is lost for evidence, the investigative body in #1 can hold law enforcement officers and their agencies liable.

6) Removal of the Golden Girls episode with mud masks.

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That last one was a joke.  :P  But to these demands I'd add:

6) Mandatory body cams, otherwise suspension or termination

7) Elimination of secret police - any officer concealing name and/or badge number results in automatic termination.  If this sort of thing is combined with a criminal act, this should constitute an additional charge.

It's also an open question of whether or not qualified immunity is enabling criminal activity and if this policy should be changed.

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I don’t know think defunding the police is the answer (people can’t even agree on what that means and would entail, so yeah), but there definitely needs to be great reform or something. I think a lot of people have lost a lot of trust and hope in police due to what George’s death has opened the door to.
Defunding the police is a bit misleading - they're not talking about completely eliminating the police department and letting criminals run wild - from what I've heard, it's mostly just reallocating funds more towards social programs and less towards military hardware.  Stuff like sending a social worker to deal with a person having a mental health crisis rather than a guy with a gun.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 17, 2020, 10:12:18 PM
GSOgymrat posted this earlier (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=13922.msg1284289#msg1284289), but there's a fantastic site called Campaign Zero (https://www.joincampaignzero.org/) with specific policy solutions.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on July 18, 2020, 03:01:53 AM
The protests in Portland are getting intense. Under Trump's direction, federal agents dressed in fatigues have been patrolling the city in unmarked vans, using "snatch and grab" tactics of grabbing and detaining protesters, often with no indication of whether they’ve been charged with any crime.

Protesters question federal law enforcement, ‘snatch-and-grab’ tactics in Portland (https://www.kptv.com/news/protesters-question-federal-law-enforcement-snatch-and-grab-tactics-in-portland/article_413b100c-c7c7-11ea-9ec9-5f0ac0049c28.html)

Some protesters are questioning the tactics being used and say some are being arrested by federal police even when they claim things are peaceful and nothing is going on.

Video was posted to Twitter on Wednesday night with a description that said federal officers rushed up and arrested someone for no reason. That person is seen in the video being taken to an unmarked van. Protesters claim they are being kidnapped.

Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley shared the video on Twitter, saying that “authoritarian governments, not democratic republics, send unmarked authorities after protesters. These Trump/Barr tactics designed to eliminate any accountability are absolutely unacceptable in America, and must end.” ...



This is an interesting article describing the situation in Portland: 50 Nights of Unrest in Portland (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/opinion/portland-protests-federal-agents.html)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 03:25:42 AM
Feds can only arrest for a violation of Federal law, not for state/local law.  Similarly the state/local police are not obligated to assist the Feds, but it is considered polite not to block them (aka sanctuary cities, illegal aliens being not held when in state/local court, for Feds to finish the job).

What is exactly going down in Portland?  Sounds like a Left conspiracy theory.  For example,Trump does have the authority to have people arrested who vandalize Federal property, but not state/local property.  Supposedly those arrests are ongoing.

Snatch & grab are tactics used by all authoritarian regimes, because due process isn't important for them.  Both Dems and Rethugs are authoritarian, so it is possible that law is being ignored.  Violent demonstrators ignore the law too.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 18, 2020, 09:34:05 AM
The protests in Portland are getting intense. Under Trump's direction, federal agents dressed in fatigues have been patrolling the city in unmarked vans, using "snatch and grab" tactics of grabbing and detaining protesters, often with no indication of whether they’ve been charged with any crime.

Protesters question federal law enforcement, ‘snatch-and-grab’ tactics in Portland (https://www.kptv.com/news/protesters-question-federal-law-enforcement-snatch-and-grab-tactics-in-portland/article_413b100c-c7c7-11ea-9ec9-5f0ac0049c28.html)

Some protesters are questioning the tactics being used and say some are being arrested by federal police even when they claim things are peaceful and nothing is going on.

Video was posted to Twitter on Wednesday night with a description that said federal officers rushed up and arrested someone for no reason. That person is seen in the video being taken to an unmarked van. Protesters claim they are being kidnapped.

Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley shared the video on Twitter, saying that “authoritarian governments, not democratic republics, send unmarked authorities after protesters. These Trump/Barr tactics designed to eliminate any accountability are absolutely unacceptable in America, and must end.” ...



This is an interesting article describing the situation in Portland: 50 Nights of Unrest in Portland (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/opinion/portland-protests-federal-agents.html)
As I see it, this is trump testing his ability to use the US military/police as a tool against us citizens, learning which units and commanders will do his bidding.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement--
This report is about white nationalists in the countries police forces.  There are also some in all the US armed forces. 
Do not be surprised is this tactic is not repeated more times in cities around our country.  Not a good look for the upcoming election.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 12:09:47 PM
"White Helmets Co-Founder Defrauded Organization To Fund Lavish Wedding" ... typical grifting do-gooder.  White Helmets was an NGO founded to support at risk civilians in Syria.  He gave himself a $24,000 per month salary too.  White Helmet also assisted the CIA to frame Syria/Russia into being made direct war upon by Obama/Trump.  When his duplicity came out, he committed suicide.  Government social programs are like this, only for the US, paid for by US taxpayers.  Has the War On Poverty been won yet?  If not, why not?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 12:20:37 PM
"OREGON AG PUBLICLY SUPPORTS FAR LEFT INSURGENCY AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, IS IT CIVIL WAR YE.." ... terrorists attacking Federal buildings?  Yes, Trump can do things about that, and the governor, mayor and state attorney general can't do anything about that.  Ever hear of Ft Sumter?  This is civil war.  I look forward to supporting Lincoln against Jefferson Davis (or their modern equivalents).  Blacks who support the Dems are race traitors aka criminals.  The new Dems support their race baiting plantation to control votes (ironically LBJ created this to replace Jim Crow on the 100 anniversary of the end of the last civil war).  Politicians who don't support citizens but do support rioter and criminals ... are Soylent Blue.  In the long run, the agenda of Black Marxism will have its own party, it won't infiltrate other parties.  Basically the successors to Angela Davis another loser from the 60s.

"BLACK PORTLAND COP SLAMS RACIST WHITE ANTIFA, ABSOLUTELY NAILS THE HYPOCRISY OF THE FAR LEFT" ... Karl Marx was a vicious racist.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 18, 2020, 01:11:06 PM
The protests in Portland are getting intense. Under Trump's direction, federal agents dressed in fatigues have been patrolling the city in unmarked vans, using "snatch and grab" tactics of grabbing and detaining protesters, often with no indication of whether they’ve been charged with any crime.
Secret police disappearing citizens.  This is exactly the sort of jackboot tactics that conservatives claim they dislike.  Yet when stuff like this happens, do they condemn it?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on July 18, 2020, 01:39:46 PM
Secret police disappearing citizens.  This is exactly the sort of jackboot tactics that conservatives claim they dislike.  Yet when stuff like this happens, do they condemn it?

It's only bad when the other guys do it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 18, 2020, 02:01:33 PM
We are officially now in the Banana Republic phase.  If the orange monster gets his way, we will transcend that phase into the North Korean phase. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 02:11:37 PM
Secret police disappearing citizens.  This is exactly the sort of jackboot tactics that conservatives claim they dislike.  Yet when stuff like this happens, do they condemn it?

Democrats aren't citizens of the US, they are either citizens of the Marxist Confederacy or denizens of our prison system.

I agree that all cops, including Feds, should be in uniform.  Specifically Feds should be uniformed like Judge Dred ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 02:12:23 PM
It's only bad when the other guys do it.

I want things to be bad.  I want everyone to do it.  There are millions of deplorables in the US who need to be cancelled permanently ;-)

"Protestors Are Getting VANNED, Mysterious Federal Agents Are Abducting People in Portland" ... take the leaders to Guantanamo, water-board them until they grow gills ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 02:13:23 PM
We are officially now in the Banana Republic phase.  If the orange monster gets his way, we will transcend that phase into the North Korean phase.

What makes you defame bananas?  It is all your illegal immigrants that Californicators love ...

Yes, I think Kim's sister is hot.  Take her for a US dictator anytime!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 18, 2020, 05:34:14 PM
Bootlickers waving blue flags in my town today.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 06:30:24 PM
Bootlickers waving blue flags in my town today.

Not dildoes waving red flags? ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Rosycheeked_rebel on July 18, 2020, 08:27:38 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 18, 2020, 08:53:47 PM
Getting beat in the street is a hell of a way to go about sticking it to the racist uncle.  Most people would just say Happy Holidays or "evolution is a fact"
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Rosycheeked_rebel on July 18, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Rosycheeked_rebel on July 18, 2020, 09:07:07 PM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 18, 2020, 09:11:52 PM
To some degree, the news reports what's trending on Twitter, sad to say.  So putting these issues front and center, even if only for a week, is better than nothing.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 11:53:16 PM
I find it interesting how some places are still going strong, if not even stronger, with the protests like Portland. Then places like where I live has called it a day and is “back to normal”.

It’s just interesting in general to see who is still addressing this and who has stopped. I definitely thinks part of this speaks to the need to address other issues or focus on keeping themselves safe from COVID-19, which is just continuing to get worse...but also the way this was a trend or something edgy to jump on to stick it to your racist Trumpster uncle and show how woke you are.

I’m a realist  but I’m also a cynic lol.

Seattle and Portland and San Francisco have been shitholes since the Vietnam War and the Summer of ove.  This isn't new.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Rosycheeked_rebel on July 19, 2020, 12:47:19 AM
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 19, 2020, 09:00:08 AM
Okay this admittedly made me LOL 💀

Speaking of Summer of Love and Seattle, did anyone already touch on the two White non-binary protesters on that highway by the Black driver? And how one of them died very shortly afterwards and the driver is now charged with vehicular murder? If no one knows what I’m talking about, I can find a link or news article. I’m still waiting for info regarding whether he did it intentionally or not.

Yes, it is sad.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2020-07-06/driver-in-seattle-crash-that-hit-2-protesters-due-in-court
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 20, 2020, 01:51:48 AM
Unnamed goons lashed out, brutally beating a peaceful American citizen and navy vet, who shrugged off the blows (https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/474091-383299-portland-protester-describes-beating-by-federal-officers-)

You won't find a more clear-cut example of both villainy and heroism.  If you're not on this guy's side, you picked the wrong side.  Period.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2020, 09:30:36 AM
We are all villains (aka from the French word for peasant).  Are you French royalty?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Sal1981 on July 21, 2020, 09:27:24 AM
We are all villains (aka from the French word for peasant).  Are you French royalty?
Why not just use hieroglyphics? Same difference.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2020, 10:14:30 AM
Not even fish in a barrel.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on July 21, 2020, 02:19:39 PM
Why not just use hieroglyphics? Same difference.
Baruch's posts are not to be tossed aside lightly, but to be hurled with great force.

;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 21, 2020, 06:14:35 PM
Baruch's posts are not to be tossed aside lightly, but to be hurled with great force.

;-)

It helps to stick your finger down your throat first ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on July 21, 2020, 09:28:49 PM
I stole that from Dorothy Parker.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 22, 2020, 09:22:28 AM
I stole that from Dorothy Parker.

She put her finger down your throat?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 22, 2020, 10:18:03 AM
"Smithsonian Institution Explains That 'Rationality' & 'Hard Work' Are Racist" … SJWs borrow from KKK
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on July 22, 2020, 12:18:34 PM
She put her finger down your throat?
I came across a quote Sunday morning, I'd never heard it before, but then heard it that afternoon on Says You, a show on NPR. I thought you might enjoy it.

:-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 24, 2020, 01:25:07 AM
This stuff is just history forgotten.  Oct 2011 to Jan 2012 ... Occupy Oakland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Occupy_Oakland

Yeah, that President Obama, he brought in a Wakanda utopia!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 24, 2020, 10:00:56 AM
"PHILLY DA DOUBLES DOWN THREATENING TO ARREST FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS" ... treat Phily like Atlanta, under General Sherman

"WHITE PEOPLE NO LONGER SUPPORT BLACK LIVES MATTER AS RIOTS CAUSE MASSIVE SPIKE IN ANGER" ... all those Californicating druggies are sleeping their latest bender off

"White House's Stephen Miller: Portland shows Democrats 'returning to their roots' as 'party of secession'" ... duh, they got goober peas for brains

"Chicago anti-police protesters target mayor's home after her call with Trump" ... Chicago unrest will now end quickly

"Allen West slams Chicago leaders: 'Didn't know Columbus was responsible' for recent murders" ... over recent removal of a statue.  Blacks are responsible, Columbus ain't Black

"Federal officers in Portland can't target journalists, legal observers for arrest, judge rules" ... fair enough

"GOP reps push resolution to ban Democratic Party over past slavery ties" ... should have happened in 1865

"San Francisco Mayor Blasts 'Woke' White BLM Supporters For Hijacking Movement" ... White people so privileged, we can even make BLM bad
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 25, 2020, 06:52:59 PM
"JOE ROGAN LEAVING LA BECAUSE CITIES ARE BROKEN AND DYING, MASS EXODUS IS UNDERWAY" ... cities over 50k people will become hell holes

"Seattle Police Abandon Residents As Antifa Uses Twitter, Facebook To Organize Nationwide Protests" ... not allowed by city hall to use riot gear, only water balloons, so they are basically calling in sick.  This is how you become a new Detroit.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Shiranu on July 26, 2020, 03:47:26 AM
Someone shot into a crowd of protestors here in Austin, killing 1.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on July 26, 2020, 09:47:15 AM
Someone shot into a crowd of protestors here in Austin, killing 1.
Gee, I wonder who that 'someone' comes from.   The white nationalists/white supremacists are getting a free ride right now.  They are heavily armed and are embolden by the orange monster's words and deeds.  War has been declared on liberals,  but not on the Alt-right.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 26, 2020, 11:42:24 AM
Someone shot into a crowd of protestors here in Austin, killing 1.

Yes, only 330,000,000 more to go to achieve communist utopia.

Armed Black militia in Louisville learned about friendly fire.

How many of these people are fueled by alcohol, MJ and hard drugs?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2020, 12:16:20 PM
"Rutgers University Declares Grammar 'Racist'" ... Ebonics is the official "1619 Project" official language

"RADIO HOST CLAIMED PROTESTS ARE PEACEFUL GETS HIS APARTMENT TORCHED BY ANTIFA" ... they can't burn out enough White liberals.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 28, 2020, 04:35:16 AM
How many of these people are fueled by alcohol, MJ and hard drugs?

Would you like to make a research on the political tendencies and the culture of the majority of the people who got drunk/high and shot; wounded or killed someone in the United States of America?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 28, 2020, 11:14:27 AM
Would you like to make a research on the political tendencies and the culture of the majority of the people who got drunk/high and shot; wounded or killed someone in the United States of America?

T'would be a sad tale, full of agony and woe.  Sober people are scoundrels enough.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing. - Macbeth as told by Shakespeare
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 28, 2020, 10:26:32 PM
"College Coaches Call For Removal Of SAT/ACT Test Requirements" ... yes, their student athletes shouldn't have to get fake grades to stay on the team

"FUNDING POLICE WORKED, CHICAGO POLICE LAUNCH NEW UNITS AND CRIME IS DOWN" ... Chicago got a little out of control even for Democrats
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 29, 2020, 12:06:21 PM
T'would be a sad tale, full of agony and woe.  Sober people are scoundrels enough. ...

T'would be a sad tale mainly full of republicans and any kind of right wingers in a country with 'more guns than people'.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2020, 12:17:06 PM
T'would be a sad tale mainly full of republicans and any kind of right wingers in a country with 'more guns than people'.

Not enough guns, not enough blood, not enough common sense opposition to "more" government.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."" ... Thomas Jefferson

“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” ... Thomas Jefferson

Turkey would be a better country, if y'all were still riding on Siberian ponies wielding compound bows and scimitars.  How could Erdogan tyrannize?  The Seljuks were more free than the Ottomans, because they were decentralized.  They were able to destroy the German Crusade.  The Ottomans only came to power after Tamerlane destroyed the Seljuks.

Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 29, 2020, 05:25:37 PM
Not enough guns, not enough blood, not enough common sense opposition to "more" government.

Really? Baruch, one thing you can't get. When somebody pulls the 'trigger' over there the bullet goes out from here. Economically speaking.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2020, 06:44:17 PM
Really? Baruch, one thing you can't get. When somebody pulls the 'trigger' over there the bullet goes out from here. Economically speaking.

Welcome to the Global Village, where we are all idiots ;-(
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hydra009 on July 29, 2020, 10:06:16 PM
Umbrella Guy (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/umbrella-man-white-supremacist-suspect-minneapolis-police-protests/) (a guy who showed up to a peaceful demonstration, casually smashed some windows, and left - thereby implicating the peaceful protestors as a rowdy gang of looters) turns out to be a white supremacist.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

His whole operation was designed to incite crime and to portray the protestors as a threat to the community, thereby creating/exacerbating unrest.  In reality, he was that threat - he was the one committing both the criminal property damage and the incitement.  The judge should throw the book at him.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 29, 2020, 10:27:38 PM
Umbrella Guy (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/umbrella-man-white-supremacist-suspect-minneapolis-police-protests/) (a guy who showed up to a peaceful demonstration, casually smashed some windows, and left - thereby implicating the peaceful protestors as a rowdy gang of looters) turns out to be a white supremacist.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

His whole operation was designed to incite crime and to portray the protestors as a threat to the community, thereby creating/exacerbating unrest.  In reality, he was that threat - he was the one committing both the criminal property damage and the incitement.  The judge should throw the book at him.

All Leftists are pacifist, like Gandhi ... not.  Yes, there are Right nuts.  Lock both up.

"Junkies Transform Part Of NYC's Midtown Into A "Shooting Gallery"" ... good use of a bad island

"Connecticut Man Charged With Decapitating His Landlord With A Samurai Sword" ... couldn't wait for his DNC supplied guillotine?

"The Police REFUSE to Defend the Democratic National Convention, 100 Agencies Pull Out" ... hope their delegates are wearing kevlar

"US fed agents to be withdrawn from Portland (since locals promise will guard Fed properties) ... we can trust Democrats, right?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 30, 2020, 11:52:33 AM
"BEZOS' WIFE GOT 60 BILLION AND DUMP NEARLY $2B INTO FAR LEFT SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS" ... Democrats aren't just tools of Soros, but of Bezos' wife too

"antifa guy doxxed by grandma" ... LARPing in Portland makes your grandma proud

"naked Athena lady" ... major tourist attraction in Portland, better than a burning elk statue

"STATE POLICE DEPLOYED IN PORTLAND TO CRUSH ANTIFA, BLACK CONSERVATIVE STABBED BY LEFTIST SPEAKS OU.." ... as it should be.  If the city police or country sheriff doesn't act, the state police need to.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on July 30, 2020, 06:23:15 PM
Welcome to the Global Village, where we are all idiots ;-(
If it takes one to know one, what does it take to know them all?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Unbeliever on July 30, 2020, 06:26:24 PM
Umbrella Guy (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/umbrella-man-white-supremacist-suspect-minneapolis-police-protests/) (a guy who showed up to a peaceful demonstration, casually smashed some windows, and left - thereby implicating the peaceful protestors as a rowdy gang of looters) turns out to be a white supremacist.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

His whole operation was designed to incite crime and to portray the protestors as a threat to the community, thereby creating/exacerbating unrest.  In reality, he was that threat - he was the one committing both the criminal property damage and the incitement.  The judge should throw the book at him.
Nay, the judge should throw the whole library at him!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 30, 2020, 09:58:42 PM
If it takes one to know one, what does it take to know them all?

Ash and Serena tried to capture all the village idiots but only captured Pokemon.

Democrats are always peaceful, just like in 1861.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on July 31, 2020, 11:17:00 AM
"ACLU COMES OUT AGAINST BODY CAMERAS?? FILES SUIT TO STOP POLICE FILMING RIOTERS" ... shoot the ACLU first

"CRINGE FRINGE TACKLES RACISM BY... ENCOURAGING SCIENCE TO RENAME BIRD SPECIES" ... because biology is raaacisst

"Not The Onion: Michigan Inn Forced To Remove Norwegian Flag Because It 'Resembles' Confederate Banner" ... LARPing ignoramuses ... even American Leftists are morons.

"Seattle Moves To Replace 'Racist' Police With 'Trauma-Informed, Gender-Affirming, Anti-Racist' Organizations" ... in other words, Dem ward healers

"Vermont Profs, Students "Demand" Full "Abolition" Of Campus Police, BLM Flag To Be Flown" ... defund the colleges

"Crime Is Skyrocketing All Over America And Cops Are Killing Themselves" ... Americans are criminals by nature, having cops is stupid

"Hundreds Of Angry Protesters Gather Outside Hamptons Billionaire Mansions To Demand Wealth Tax" ... I support "eat the rich"

"LEFTISM SPREADING, CITIES DECLARE RACISM HEALTH CRISIS INSTALLING LEFTISM IN GOVERNMENT" ... the health crisis is Black hoodlums
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2020, 10:29:11 AM
"THE IDEOLOGICAL FLATULENCE OF OPPRESSION 'SPLAINERS'" ... Sarah Jeong, a Korean, on Vice and NYT ... hates all Whites, including those who died and who are currently serving to protect S Korea.  But NYT explains how this isn't racism, using intersections BS.  Only hate of Whites, particularly White men, isn't racism.

"RIOTS CONTINUE IN PORTLAND AND POLICE JUST LET THEM DO IT NOW, ANTIFA BURNING BIBLES IN THE STREET" ... but they won't dare burn the Quran.  Why not?  Muslim Brotherhood cross-membership with BLM and AntiFa aka Black Panthers and SLA.

"SARGON AND LAUREN SOUTHERN DECLARE WAR ON PATREON, THIS COULD WIPE OUT LEFTIST'S INCOME" ... if California government grifting can be expanded, every Left service can be dumped on.

"LIBERALS ARE WAKING UP, BILL MAHER HOSTS PANEL ROASTING FAR LEFT CANCEL CULTURE" ... they are hedging their bets

"JUDGE SAYS FAR LEFTISTS GET FINAL SAY AS TO WHO IS A "REAL JOURNALIST" AT RIOTS, A WIN FOR ANTIFA" ... specifically ACLU is god
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 02, 2020, 04:36:29 PM
""He Chose His Poison": Grandma Implicates Grandson As Bomb-Thrower In Portland Attack" ... grandma turns on grandson, was she shown the instruments of torture?

"NBA's Jonathan Isaac Becomes First To Stand For National Anthem And Refuse To Wear A "Black Lives Matter" T-Shirt" ... sorry, send all US athletes who are BLM ass kissers to Wakanda.  They have fantastic sports technology there.  When will athletes realize they are paid performers?

"GYM OWNERS BUST DOWN DOOR FORCEFULLY REOPENING DEFYING DEMOCRAT EDICT, DEMOCRATS HAVE BETRAYED US" ... bend the Dems into pretzels for exercise

"Calif. couple faces charges after Nazi salute, yelling 'White lives matter' at Black man, girlfriend" ... obviously egregious.  Real, or another NAACP false flag like Jussie Smollett?  You decide, I know you will.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 03, 2020, 01:02:32 PM
"BLM LEFTISTS EXTORTING BUSINESS UPDATE, CUBANS SLAM SOCIALISTS AND RALLY AGAINST MAFIA TACTIC" ... Louisville Black Mafia

"POLICE ARE NOW ADVISING PEOPLE YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN DUE TO DEFUNDING" ... in Minneapolis .. but if you do defend yourself against Somali pirates, you are a Nazi
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on August 03, 2020, 01:16:03 PM
That awkward moment when the person you're ignoring still manages to fill the whole damn page.

(https://i.imgur.com/sBuXNKO.png)

Baruch, calm the fuck down. XD
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 03, 2020, 01:18:41 PM
Some people speak thru their silence.  Can you post with American Sign Language perhaps?

Yes, you could fill the whole page with French/Russian/Chinese revolution slogans?

Let me do it for you ...

Kill all the Whites
Kill all the Men
Kill all the Americans

And I won't ask CCP for payment for doing their job for them.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 03, 2020, 05:54:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsxukOPEdgg
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on August 03, 2020, 06:20:20 PM
Shoe, the history taught in our schools is not really history.  It is propaganda.  It is filled with lies and omissions.  Howard Zinn is a good source of actual history.  It's out there, just not taught in schools--not until college; and in only some of them.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 03, 2020, 06:50:55 PM
We have the same very same bullshit and this goes for everywhere but yeah I guess the US is a bit more colourful in this context because American propaganda has claims like freedom, equality...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on August 03, 2020, 08:42:27 PM
We have the same very same bullshit and this goes for everywhere but yeah I guess the US is a bit more colourful in this context because American propaganda has claims like freedom, equality...
I learned this in college, and not in a class--anyway, George Washington was a very honest guy, even as a kid.  He chopped down a cherry tree in his yard, and when his dad asked if he had done that, he owned up to it and said he was to blame.  Except that was not the truth.  It was a story made up by a minister named Weems.  He wanted to write a school book extolling good citizenship and good character; honesty was one of the good traits.  So, we have a christian writing a book about good character traits, who created a fiction about somebody not being truthful.  I guess the irony escaped him; seems to go with the religion.  Anyway, I researched it, and sure enough, that story was not reported by anybody until Weems wrote about it.  And so it goes in Merican history.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 03, 2020, 08:49:36 PM
But y'all do believe in Marxist or Maoist history, am I right?

"Democratic Socialists Of America Teams Up With Teachers Unions To Reform Schools" .. permanently close all US public schools and colleges.  In a Uiyger camp system you won't need literacy.

"Minneapolis Authorities Warn Residents "Prepare" To Be Robbed & Obey Criminals" aka Communists aka Democrats.  Please deny that Dems aren't spawn of Satan ;-)  Of course there should be no election, because criminals shouldn't be allowed to vote, and if communists and Democrats are criminals, then they also should not be allowed to vote.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2020, 07:45:47 AM
I learned this in college, and not in a class--anyway, George Washington was a very honest guy, even as a kid.  He chopped down a cherry tree in his yard, and when his dad asked if he had done that, he owned up to it and said he was to blame.  Except that was not the truth.  It was a story made up by a minister named Weems.  He wanted to write a school book extolling good citizenship and good character; honesty was one of the good traits.  So, we have a christian writing a book about good character traits, who created a fiction about somebody not being truthful.  I guess the irony escaped him; seems to go with the religion.  Anyway, I researched it, and sure enough, that story was not reported by anybody until Weems wrote about it.  And so it goes in Merican history.

Yes, it's so familiar. Same in europe...everywhere around. We all have gone through from the same shit growing up.

It's about the military and so the political power a country has. The more you have it the more vanilla you can pretend to be and write your the history as you wish. You can collabrate, impose it all around and as you said before in time it becomes the reality. Just getting aware of this is called enlightenment.


 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2020, 11:14:06 AM
Without Ataturk, Turkey would be just a sandwich ;-p  You think you can live next to the Soviet Union with just Gandhi slogans?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2020, 11:16:11 AM
"MINNEAPOLIS OVERRUN WITH CRIME: PREPARE TO BE ROBBED!" ... maybe the cops are in on the scam?

"2012 NDAA made staged events and psychology operations legal to conduct on the American people." ... BLM and AntiFa are crisis actors?

This is how the NWO, neo-cons and neo-libs came about, an egregious violation of the Prime Directive ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQqzflaGwSs

"I wish more people knew how incredibly thin the veneer of society is." ... have someone else walk on the ice first!  I will let 6 months of guinea pigs test the Covid virus first, just to see what the asymptomatic reactions are ;-)
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2020, 11:21:03 AM
But y'all do believe in Marxist or Maoist history, am I right?

Oh yes...you are in a Marxist conspiracy, Baruch. We have been doing everything in our power to fuck you up with your what-aboutist-moronic life vision and what do you know, we've succeeded! Esp. we, women....oh gawd, you wouldn't believe the ways we have fucked up with you from the beginning, man. Mind, testicals... After all that is what/why we are 'made' for...we are 'designed' for it. Man, I mean, think about it, WE HAVE TITS! Can ya believe it? If it was not enough, we  also have countless other feminine traits, and oh gawd, this one is very difficult to type for me...VAGINA! We have vaginas! Oh but then we have so many other stuff to fuck you up, come on can you even guess?! I'm sure you know the basics, you seems like an old bro who swallowed 'the red pill', you fucking moron.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2020, 11:23:49 AM
Without Ataturk, Turkey would be just a sandwich ;-p  You think you can live next to the Soviet Union with just Gandhi slogans?

With Ataturk, Turkey has become a sandwich long time ago now. Maybe you shouldn't spaculate about the SU back then as you would as the US right now? Because a random 20 year old kid sounds better informed than you. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2020, 12:11:42 PM
Oh yes...you are in a Marxist conspiracy, Baruch. We have been doing everything in our power to fuck you up with your what-aboutist-moronic life vision and what do you know, we've succeeded! Esp. we, women....oh gawd, you wouldn't believe the ways we have fucked up with you from the beginning, man. Mind, testicals... After all that is what/why we are 'made' for...we are 'designed' for it. Man, I mean, think about it, WE HAVE TITS! Can ya believe it? If it was not enough, we  also have countless other feminine traits, and oh gawd, this one is very difficult to type for me...VAGINA! We have vaginas! Oh but then we have so many other stuff to fuck you up, come on can you even guess?! I'm sure you know the basics, you seems like an old bro who swallowed 'the red pill', you fucking moron.

Don't believe your lying eyes?  Yes, there are no Marxists, that is just Capitalist propaganda.  But then you vere off into Feminism ... strange, I didn't think Karl was a woman.  Maybe he is a female dwarf from Middle Earth, their women have beards too ;-))

Yes, you can't take man-spreading or man-splaining ... not my problem if so.  The women in my life are just like you, but I admire and support them anyway.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2020, 12:15:22 PM
With Ataturk, Turkey has become a sandwich long time ago now. Maybe you shouldn't spaculate about the SU back then as you would as the US right now? Because a random 20 year old kid sounds better informed than you.

I read a biography of Uncle Joe in HS.  Read all about the war on the Eastern Front in HS.  Have admired the Russians/Stalinists ever since.  That was before you were born.  As a Westerner, I have to think that Ataturk did a good thing for Turkey, saved the rump of the Ottoman Empire from complete dismemberment into canned hams.  Not that old, but I can spell Smyrna.  Greece, France, GB, USA wanted to cut your country into smaller pieces in 1918, and Ataturk beat them all.  Chad!  But this is 100 years later, not the same as in 1970.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2020, 12:42:09 PM
Baruch, get the fuck out of my face.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on August 04, 2020, 06:26:33 PM
Baruch, get the fuck out of my face.
Shoe, why do you keep going back to the same old well (Baruch) and expect the water to taste different???  He has become the king of prattle and babble.  He does not make sense because he has become at rock bottom, a bitter, old man.  He has become disillusioned with politics, especially Democrats, his ex, his daughter, his society, his life.  Even his G-d has made him bitter.  All he does is foam at the mouth and print shit.  That's his life--ignore his posts, for they really do not make any sense whatsoever.  If you like bitter--and some people do--keep responding to his nonsense.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2020, 08:48:45 PM
MikeCL ... king of woke?  But monarchy isn't woke, is it?  Why do I post and comment on news headlines?  Because this den of CCP agitators will only comment on CNN (Communist News Network) stuff.

"The Newest Demon In The Left's Sights: Woke White Women" ... they need to become trans and culture expropriate like Dolezal

"Funding Is Being Reduced For "Nearly Half" Of All Major City Police Departments In America" ... not just Minneapolis ... most Dem shit holes

"Shootings, Murders Spike By Record In Portland After Disbanding 'Gun Violence Reduction Team'" ... see, see!  Karma bites.

"BLM LEFTISTS CHASED OUT OF AREA BY ARMED LOCALS, POLICE PRAISE LOCALS, REGULAR PEOPLE SAY NO MORE" protestors on the way to destroy the home of the Seattle police chief (a Black woman) went thru the wrong neighborhood ... yes, Civil War has started.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2020, 08:49:20 AM
"Here Are All The Professors "Cancelled" By The Left" ... yes, all universities everywhere must be closet Confucious Institutes.  Complete with student chapter of Red Guard.  Burn them down.  Their libraries of communist literature are very flammable.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2020, 12:32:03 PM
"Antifa Protesters Sue Seattle Over 'Forced' Armor Upgrades" ... aw, poor babies.  Their LARPing "tactical stuff" won't stop real bullets

"Facebook's Fact-Check Board Gets a Lot of 'Likes' From Soros" ... good reason to exterminate the millionaires

"NYC Crime Spike Hits Ultra-Wealthy Neighborhood" ... eat the wealthy
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2020, 01:09:43 PM
"ANTIFA ATTACK WOMAN AT HER OWN HOME ON NIGHT 70 OF RIOTING, DEMOCRATS LIED AND ITS GETTING WORSE" ... old women are the enemy, kill them all

"NEW LEAKED GEORGE FLOYD ARREST FOOTAGE IS DAMNING FOR THE CRINGE FRINGE RIOTERS" ... yes, he was high and sick when he was arrested, may have suffered a heart attack

"ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER'S KINDERGARTEN COP TOO EDGY FOR CRINGE FRINGE SNOWFLAKES" ... he is a Republican, cancel all his movies
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2020, 11:33:36 PM
"FIVE FAR LEFTISTS CHARGED WITH FELONIES FOR TRYING TO DOX A COP" ... as an uncle of a cop, I am fine with shooting these criminals

"BLM LEFTIST ARRESTED BY FBI FOR CUTTING NYPD BRAKE LINES, POLICE RELEASED HIM, FEDS WERE LIKE NO W.." ... karma is a bitch

"MURDER IN PORTLAND SKYROCKETS RIGHT AFTER POLICE DISBAND ANTI CRIME UNIT BECAUSE DUH" ... the hidden hand isn't capitalism, it is Soros
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 10:05:55 AM
"LOS ANGELES MAYOR GOES FULL TOTALITARIAN, TRIES TO NULLIFY THE RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE" .. the selective social distancing has to stop, it makes the conspiracy theorists look good

"Over 80% Of Black Americans Don't Want To 'Abolish Police'" ... the majority of Blacks are socially conservative and not Marxist

"Texas Cops In Military-Style Raid On Man’s Home For Benefit Of Reality TV Show" ... enjoying the Truman Show? ... where are your hidden cameras?

"DEMOCRATS ARE BURNING CITIES TO THE GROUND, NYC IS CRUMBLING AS HOMELESS OCCUPY LUXURY BUILDINGS" ... make America into a slum

"BLM LEFTISTS TRIED TO MURDER PORTLAND PD, START ATTACKING RESIDENTIAL AREA, LOCALS ARE FIGHTING BA.." ... attacking a police station, whose police are there to stop anti-AntiFa is the hight of drug delusion.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2020, 10:55:46 PM
"Trucking Company Refuses To Deliver To Cities Calling To "Defund The Police"" ... starve out the Dem controlled cities

"Mentally Ill Professor Invented Bisexual Native American Persona Who 'Died' Of COVID-19" ... I want to pay big bucks to send my daughter to college, not!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2020, 09:09:58 AM
"The 1958 "Psychological Warfare" Plan Playing Out Before Us" ... yes, it took a while, but dystopia has arrived

"THE ONLY PATRIOT IN PORTLAND: A LITERAL LITTLE OLD LADY" ... like the woman in the electric mobility chair ... Dems are vicious cowards

"RIOTS OF PEACE HIT THE PORTLAND 'BURBS" ... burn them down, the ghetto has had enough already

"EVEN THE NYT WARNS DEMOCRATS ARE BEGINNING TO ALIENATE INDEPENDENT VOTERS" ... Independent from 1996, hostile to all Democrats since 2016.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 09, 2020, 10:32:21 AM
"Portland riot declared as fire burns in police union offices" ... so unions are important, courthouses are not?

"DEMOCRATS ARE DESTROYING NYC ON PURPOSE, DEBLASIO ADMITS HE'S BUYING UP VACANT PROPERTIES" ... never let a crisis go to waste - Rahm Emmanuel
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2020, 09:48:09 AM
"Chaos In Chicago: Bridges Raised To Prevent Gun-Toting Looters Getting Downtown" ... Al Capone ran the city much better!  Party like it is the Dem Convention of 1968.

"Chicago Riots: Woman Shouts "I Can't Breathe" As She Loots Luxury Clothing Store" ... see what female AntiFa are like?  Gucci all the way!

"Americans Are Continuing To Die From Drinking Hand Sanitizer" ... hoboes tried to drink Sterno during the 30s too, methanol isn't digestible.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2020, 12:10:29 AM
"CHICAGO DA KIM FOXX HAS DROPPED TONS OF FELONY CASES, NO WONDER CRIME IS UP" ... including the Jussie Smollett investigation, dropped at the behest of Michelle Obama.  Black woman lesbian mayor not automatic success.

"RIOTERS VANDALIZE POLICE OFFICERS HOME AND TRY TO KILL HIM, SHOTGUN FIRED THROUGH HIS DOOR" ... routine DNC behavior it seems.

"VEHICULAR BATTERING RAM OF PEACE! MORE LOOTERS OF PEACE IN CHICAGO" ... the criminals are our new comedians.

"“That is reparations,” a BLM organizer said. “Anything they wanted to take, they can take it because these businesses have insurance"" ... BLM support for Chicago riots ... how about we shoot AntiFa and BLM on sight?

"Outgoing Seattle police chief says it's not about the money, it's about 'lack of respect' for officers" ... no respect for a successful Black woman.  Every respect for violent hoodlums.  Put all Dems in FEMA camps, we can't tell on sight which ones are or aren't criminals.

"LEFTISTS CHEER OVER VIDEO OF COP CHOKE SLAMMING WOMAN FOR NOT WEARING A MASK, COMPLETE HYPOCRISY" .. but if the woman was a male Black felon, would they riot?

"PATHETIC CRINGE FRINGE COMMIES LARP ABOUT BESIEGING WHITE HOUSE, GET MOCKED AND RATIO'D" ... go ahead and threaten the Secret Service, I dare ya!

"PORTLAND ANNOUNCES THEY WILL NOT PROSECUTE RIOTERS, MEDIA LIES TO PROTECT THEM" .. fine the protestors, jail the rioters.  But Kamala Harris would jail people who weren't even there.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2020, 01:19:52 PM
"Escape From New York: Wealthy Residents Flee In Droves As The City Degenerates Into A Hellhole" ... never understood why rich want to live in overpriced locations

"Police Comb "Thousands Of Hours" Of CCTV Footage, Make Looting Arrests Months After George Floyd Protests" ... maybe all that violation of civil rights will pay off?

"DEMOCRATIC MAYOR PANICS, HAS "DEFUND THE POLICE" REMOVED AS MESSAGE BACKFIRES ON LEFT" ... DC mayor maybe got a call from the FBI?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2020, 03:57:57 PM
"Chicago Rioters Attacked Charity Building With Sick Children Inside" .. guess they didn't have GPS?

"Portland Prosecutor Likely To Drop Charges Against Rioters Who Injure Cops, Citing "Instinctive Reaction" To Police" ... the correct instinctive reaction is to stay home!

"$15 Billion In Federal Funding Flows Into Just Five Major U.S. Cities Where Civil Unrest Looms & Police Stand Down" ... cut all Confederate cities off from Treasury funding!


Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2020, 12:56:21 PM
"STATE POLICE LEAVING PORTLAND IN ANGER, DEMOCRATS FAILED, TRUMP IS THEIR ONLY HOPE NOW" ... local and state police have dropped the ball.  Burn Portland to the ground!

"Kindergartners To Learn About White Supremacy In PA School District" ... they get free Black Panther action figures and get told the history of Wakanda.

"BLM Mob Harasses White Family and DEMANDS They Give Up Their Home, Seattle Protests Gone Wild" .. as seen before in Dr Zhivago ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq__Z-Z_Ofs
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2020, 05:48:29 PM
""Ghost Town": Shocking Dystopian Video Of NYC Shows An Abandoned And Boarded Up 5th Avenue" ... make all Dem cities into prisons, saves money

"Chicago Shuts Down Its Business District Overnight This Weekend Due To Continued Riots And Looting" ... see comment above

"ROLLING BLACKOUTS HIT CALIFORNIA, DEMOCRATS FAILURE FUELED MASS EXODUS GOES FROM BAD TO WORSE" ... let the tree huggers (Greens) heat their homes and cook over dried animal shit (horse shit has lots of organic matter).  I think that California government was complicit in the Enron scandal years ago, when Enron (based in Texas) was robbing the California taxpayer blind.  This is why Building 7 had to be dropped after 9/11.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2020, 11:59:05 AM
"49 People Shot In Last 72 Hours In New York As City Hits Its "Expiration Date"" ... kill all the NYC people if you can

"ANTIWHITE FOOD RACISM" ... Betty Crocker is a Nazi.  Biden says "You ain't Black unless you eat  chitlins"

"Cali gets a fire tornado" ... even G-d's patience has worn thin

Democrats bring back the 1920s ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRmOo5fDACo

DNC mobsters vs RNC mobsters
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2020, 01:27:11 PM
"BLM RIOTERS WON IN PORTLAND, FIRE SET TO COUNTY BUILDING AND THEY BEG FOR MERCY, POLICE POWERLESS" .. I can't wait for the Wakanda warriors robbing, raping and killing all the Dem city counselors and mayors.  There will be no police or military to protect you.  Snowflakes unite!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2020, 10:45:24 AM
"Duke Prof Proposes $12 Trillion In Reparations... $800k Per Eligible Black Household" ... he is so Black, let Wakanda pay for this

"San Francisco's Cops Aren't Waiting Around To Be "Defunded": They're Leaving En Masse" ... yes, California cities should burn like Oregon and Washington.

"BLM LEFTIST NEARLY CRIES AFTER 4CHAN EXPOSED HIM AND COPS PLAN ARREST, FACEBOOK BANS ANTIFA FINALL.." ... enjoy your incarceration

"Facebook taking down Antifa because DHS was using it to make arrests. It's not because Facebook is anti-antifa all of a sudden." ... bwahah
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2020, 09:34:50 PM
""I Have A Right To Make Sure That My Home Is Secure": Chicago Mayor Lightfoot Defends Ban On Protesters On Her Block" ... same as the Seattle mayor.  Law for me but not for you!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 21, 2020, 06:01:52 AM
"PORTLAND MAYOR "TINY" TED WHEELER WHINES AND BEGS THE RIOTERS TO STOP" ... maybe if he got on his knees and sucked a Black cock real hard ... nobody will try this with a Republican mayor, wonder why?


""White Flight Is Real" - Hollywood's Apocalypse Triggers Mass Exodus" .. not fun if not a made for TV movie!  I like the 1950s version of War of the Worlds .. have aliens destroy LA ;-p

PS ...

"Professor Believes Alien and Predator Are Racist Representations of Black People" ... you scifi lovers need to drop your White privilege!

"Suspect In Brutal Portland Head-Kicking Turns Himself In After Manhunt" ... Yeah!

"BLM LEFTISTS TARGET RESIDENTIAL AREA ALL DAY, FEDS ARE BACK IN PORTLAND AFTER ICE FACILITY ATTACK" ... attack ICE, you get hurt

"BLM LEFTIST CRYBABY CAUGHT, FACES FELONY CHARGE,PORTLAND FEDERAL BUILDINGS CLOSED OVER MAJOR THREA.." ... see above
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on August 21, 2020, 10:14:10 PM
@Baruch

(https://i.imgur.com/1TdHj1y.gif?noredirect)

One full page of replies is enough. Calm the fuck down.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 21, 2020, 11:39:03 PM
I will stop when DNC denounces AntiFa, BLM, Soros, CCP, criminal element.  That last one is tricky, since it is bipartisan ;-)

I separate by string subject, separate by day .. too bad the deplorables are at it every damn day.  Contact the DNC for clarification.

That guy looks like a student mental case from Evergreen College in Oregon?

Let me be blunt.  If the moderators/owners want this web site to be a politics only/DNC only web site, they have every right.  But then they need to be clear what they are about.  I don't post on political sites per se, no desire to.  In so far as this is a non-political web site, it does a good job.  Atheists and gays are OK by me.  Support of public enemies isn't.

PS - OK, I will retire from the ONE string.  It is only for people who support criminal behavior
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Cassia on August 26, 2020, 03:24:51 PM
Yet another shooting of a black male. Can we break this down without the idiotic politics?
1)We have an over aggressive police force, intra-force loyalty and cover-ups.
2)We have black males overrepresented in crime...thug music culture.
3)We have a larger percentage of absentee fathers in the black community
4)We have a modern and historical legacy of brutality and racism against African Americans.
5)We have a president who believes that racists are "fine people"

It is a vicious circle. Is there an excuse for criminal behavior? Well no...but there is a rational for it. If one feels valueless, one has little or nothing to lose. A non valued person is a dangerous person. We have to address that simultaneously with police reform and accountability. Defunding police is not the answer.

African Americans have contributed so much greatness to the American culture. How can we sleep while our beds are burning?   
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on August 26, 2020, 08:30:06 PM
Systemic racism?  The Black Community has been shit since 1965, when they went from segregated but successful, to unsegregated competing against megacorps, and ruthlessly exploited as a voting and Vietnam bullet catching plantation by the Democrats.

Agreed vs chokeholds and shooting in the back.  But if you are violent, you are going to get hurt, and I don't care about your income level or intoxication of your bloodstream.  People want to die, some die by acting out in public in a violent manner, some even die by attacking the police because "it will end it all".  I have experience with suicide in my family.  I am glad none of them figured out "death by cop".  If you are sick enough to want to die (and many people do), go home and do it by yourself.  Maybe your mother will miss you, but I won't.

PS .. the Kenosha hoodlum, who friends call an angel, what was he going for in his car?  A knife.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 08, 2020, 08:19:17 PM
Hi. This is interesting attempt, as a thread I mean.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2020, 10:14:40 PM
Hi. This is interesting attempt, as a thread I mean.

You mean, justice for Armenians?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 09, 2020, 04:37:08 AM
No, I don't care about Armenians. I just would like to see someone else than you posting here. 
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on September 09, 2020, 08:52:25 AM
No, I don't care about Armenians. I just would like to see someone else than you posting here.
Don't feed the zoo creatures................
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 09, 2020, 11:42:53 AM
No, I don't care about Armenians. I just would like to see someone else than you posting here.

You won't make it as a Californian SJW, they have Armenians there.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 10, 2020, 08:33:00 PM
"Jets Wide Receiver Charged With Stealing $1.2MM In PPP Funds, Blowing It On Jewelry And Gambling" ... Black privilege you know
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 12, 2020, 05:45:18 AM
You won't make it as a Californian SJW, they have Armenians there.

Oh I'm devastated...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Oh I'm devastated...

Just how I feel about all those slaves I didn't enslave, or criminals of today I didn't brutalize.  Not that I am innocent, I self-identify as Jewish, so I am the ultimate evil.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: PickelledEggs on September 12, 2020, 11:07:38 AM
yeah. People what things to change for the better there. These violent protests are not helping that however, its just making things worse.
What the fuck do you know about the racial issues in the U.S.?

Oh right, basically nothing.
On top of you being in the far right camp, which is also pretty willfully ignorant about the subject, you're also a white guy in the U.K. that refuses to listen to the majority of people that actually are in the situation you are discussing. The majority of people contradict what you insist. You might find a few token Uncle Toms on this matter, but those are very blatantly outliers. A huge majority of the people here, light and dark skinned and everything in between know that the police have gotten out of control with how abusive they are with their power. They are unnecessarily violent and lethal.

Fun fact, it's not the police's job to kill suspects, so even if the guy WAS guilty (he wasn't) he is supposed to be taken in to sit trial. That is the justice system when it works correctly, which it currently isn't due to these moron police officers. The police that kill suspects, whether they're guilty or not are obstructing justice and should be put in jail. Not only are they committing an illegal act of murder, which is obvious, but they are also obstructing justice, which is also illegal.

These officers get off easy, with almost zero repercussions. Often they actually don't get any at all.  This is what the protests are about.

While riots are not actually sanctioned by the protesters (they're started by the police and right winged activists agitating the protests... and yes this is documented) and I personally don't approve of the riots, one thing is for sure. Nothing got done at all, until shit started to literally burn to the ground. Maybe some riots are a good thing, after all. I still don't approve, but I'm conflicted because it's the only thing that seems to got anything done. Government officials don't care to do anything unless you literally light a fire under their asses.


tl;dr, go fuck off, Munch, you racist and ignorant piece of shit
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on September 12, 2020, 11:37:29 AM
The police aren't even the only problem black people have had to put up with in the US. That's just the beginning. On top of being more likely to be wrongly killed or charged than whites, they can't even get a proper jury of peers. While it is technically illegal to reject blacks for jury, it still happens. They just make up other bullshit excuses, like wearing a puffy coat. No, I didn't make up that example. No representation in jury means they're more likely to get harsher sentences. Starting to get the picture, Munch?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2020, 12:29:58 PM
Necro alert ;-)  I am sometimes guilty too.  I like Munch, but don't read too much into that ;-)

On the other hand ... poverty is Black Privilege? ... genocide is Black Privilege?

Native Americans ... hold my peyote ... Jews outside the US ... hold my matzo.

If you don't like poverty, give part of your income away.  I support that.  Even if you are on welfare, give part of your income away to someone worse off than you.

If you are Black or anything else, don't drop out of school, don't get a girl pregnant, don't take or deal in drugs.  Above all stop murdering your own people (who are my people too in the non-tribal sense).

Wanting the government, to have a dictatorship, to force people to behave the way you want them too, what the Hell is that called?  The modern definition of anti-Semitism, as a race, came from Voltaire.  The modern definition of anti-racism, came from Trotsky.  Both are Progressives.  Both had ulterior political motives, they were not Gandhi.  Today's anti-racists are Hitler in black face.  Today's anti-fascists are yesterdays German communists.

History repeats because the same personality types are always out there in the wild.  Egomaniacs, megalomaniacs, sociopaths, micro-managers, Karens/Kevins of all skin colors.  Assholes, all of them.  Make me dictator, right now, and I will save you?  Sound familiar every 4th year in the US?

"Imagine being such a anti-racist leftist, that you try to make money off of a dead black man and use him to further your own career." .. athletes and actors aren't oppressed, but they exploit those who are, for notoriety and money.

"Minneapolis residents push to leave George Floyd shrine in streets" .. .will atheists support this mock-Catholicism?  George Floyd more beloved than Princess Diana?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on September 12, 2020, 07:37:50 PM
A 7th grade kid had the cops called on him for bringing a "facsimile of a firearm to school." Just a few problems:

1. It wasn't at school. It was a virtual class. The kid was in his own home.

2. The "gun" looked like this:

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/VYXTNSAERZGLRISRECY7OGNGWQ.jpeg&w=916)

3. The kid had ADHD (the teacher knew this), and was playing with the Nerf gun because he was bored, not because he was threatening to shoot the teacher or his classmates. Obviously.

The cops arrived at the boy's home, traumatizing him. And now he has a criminal record. I'll give you one guess what color the kid was.

One more thing to keep in mind: Tamir Rice was the same age when police responded to a call about a boy with a gun, and was shot to death immediately upon their arrival, without warning. Calling the police on a black kid for having a toy gun is irresponsible and dangerous, and I hope the school gets sued for it.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2020, 09:47:21 PM
Arrest all kids, put them into Communist re-education camps!  I had a cap gun when little, harder to mistake for a real thing.  That fake gun has a green top for a reason.  Real cops have shot real kids with real-looking fake guns (more realistic than that one).  Blame parents, not the government.  Even more obtuse to blame White people/Black people.  I was taught to handle a real gun before HS.  Hard to teach the same to my pacifist daughter.

"These Rich White Kids Were Arrested For Rioting. Here's A Look At Their Violent "Revolutionary Strategy"" ... real White priv, same as 60s
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: AFactNeedingPerson on September 13, 2020, 03:25:17 AM
A 7th grade kid had the cops called on him for bringing a "facsimile of a firearm to school." Just a few problems:

1. It wasn't at school. It was a virtual class. The kid was in his own home.

2. The "gun" looked like this:

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/VYXTNSAERZGLRISRECY7OGNGWQ.jpeg&w=916)

3. The kid had ADHD (the teacher knew this), and was playing with the Nerf gun because he was bored, not because he was threatening to shoot the teacher or his classmates. Obviously.

The cops arrived at the boy's home, traumatizing him. And now he has a criminal record. I'll give you one guess what color the kid was.

One more thing to keep in mind: Tamir Rice was the same age when police responded to a call about a boy with a gun, and was shot to death immediately upon their arrival, without warning. Calling the police on a black kid for having a toy gun is irresponsible and dangerous, and I hope the school gets sued for it.

I am a Police Officer.  All i can say to this is if we got the call, we would have to respond.  Not saying anything at all would come from it, but its a call for service.  We are under the liability of not responding and something happens...as well if something did happen.

This is one the school for calling.  I guarantee the cops responding thought it was stupid, but they did have to respond.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 13, 2020, 09:32:15 AM
I am a Police Officer.  All i can say to this is if we got the call, we would have to respond.  Not saying anything at all would come from it, but its a call for service.  We are under the liability of not responding and something happens...as well if something did happen.

This is one the school for calling.  I guarantee the cops responding thought it was stupid, but they did have to respond.

One of my nephews is a fireman, one of my nephews is a policeman.  I have your back.  There are procedures and order.  Literal shooting from the hip is a violation of that.  The average policeman isn't making the law on the fly, or the grasshopper.  If police procedure is wrong, if the law is wrong, there are ways to improve that.  And yes, I have encountered a few marginal people in your position, but they are the minority.  Where I live, police are known to be professionals.  And yes, I think even that green top gun is too realistic.  The point was more ... a teacher saw it over Zoom, not in real class.  My principals would have done hard things to me, had I brought that to class.  But don't arrest the little boy who made a gun out of his PB&J sandwich.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on September 13, 2020, 12:01:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2JsCMG7mg

Never been a fan of police ... but this is bad.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on September 13, 2020, 12:29:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2JsCMG7mg

Never been a fan of police ... but this is bad.
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Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Blackleaf on September 13, 2020, 12:55:23 PM
I am a Police Officer.  All i can say to this is if we got the call, we would have to respond.  Not saying anything at all would come from it, but its a call for service.  We are under the liability of not responding and something happens...as well if something did happen.

This is one the school for calling.  I guarantee the cops responding thought it was stupid, but they did have to respond.

I don't know how the cops behaved when they responded, but I doubt they knew the details when they arrived. The teacher apparently recorded the class (without permission, BTW), and submitted it to the principal, who then called the cops. Best I can tell, the cops arrived expecting the kid to have a real gun. The mother, who wasn't home at the time, was notified via email, but only after the police were called. Fortunately, no one got hurt this time, but I've seen enough examples to know this could have gone very badly.

Hell. Just look at how police responded to unarmed black teenage VICTIMS in LA last Monday. The teens were threatened by a homeless man with a knife, and multiple people called the cops. The cops arrived and pointed rifles at the teenagers, ignoring several bystanders who told them the kids didn't do anything. The teenagers were arrested, and later released, while the homeless man walked away. These black kids didn't even have weapons, and they were treated this way.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/08/10/caught-on-video-outrage-3-black-teens-attacked-with-knife-detained-at-gunpoint-santa-clarita/
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 13, 2020, 01:36:45 PM
Trump is just another baby kissing politician.  The LA thing probably had nothing to do with other than gang violence in LA.  I wouldn't have said anything if I were President, but that is why I am not a politician.

Tribal warfare not going well?  White folk need more scarification, tattoos and bones in nose.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: PickelledEggs on September 14, 2020, 12:49:41 PM
Whether or not the cops behaved perfectly cordial when they realized how ridiculous the call was for a kid with an airsoft gun, the fact that the kid now has a criminal record for an AIRSOFT GUN is beyond ludicrous. In this case, the cops may or may not have been fine, but one thing is for certain, and that is the justice system is negatively biased against people with darker than pale skin.

That kid should not have a criminal record from having something that anyone could obtain from a local toy store.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 16, 2020, 11:11:48 AM
We have no means to stop the riots ...

"BLM Rioters In Lancaster Hit With ONE MILLION Dollar Bond And Rioting Is DONE" ... yes we do, and better than making them into Comet Pizza.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: PickelledEggs on September 16, 2020, 08:16:27 PM
The only reason anything got done in terms of police reform and also in terms of those fucking confederate statues, which are anti-american as all hell, is because of riots.

As much as I think riots can be horrible, they're the only reason any shit has gotten done. When the riots are for a just cause, I think to a point, the riots themselves are just.

That logic of course leaves the door open for the right winged nuts to retaliate, saying what they are rioting for is justified, as well as anything else ridiculous, but we can cross that bridge when we come to it. It also leaves the door open for extreme left people to also riot about something ridiculous, but I have yet to see them get violently frustrated over anything, like the gun-toting NRA dumbasses have.

I say let the country burn to the ground until shit is sorted and things are reformed. It's basic human rights we're asking for. Not locking white people in a cage.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 16, 2020, 11:39:22 PM
Anti-Yankee.  But Burn Loot Murder destroys Yankee statues too.  Soviet Union rules!
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: PickelledEggs on September 17, 2020, 02:47:57 PM
Anti-Yankee.  But Burn Loot Murder destroys Yankee statues too.  Soviet Union rules!
Incorrect, you Canadian. Riots shaped this country in the past and it continues to prove to be one of the most effective way to improve The States. What do you think the Boston Tea Party was? a tasting, get-together?

Similarly, and I hate to parrot words other people said, but if murder is an ok response for property damage, how is property damage not an ok response to murder? And further, how is property damage not an ok response to systematic and continued murder?

The police's job is not to kill perpetrators; their job is to bring them in to custody, so they can sit trial. That is what justice is. The police are obstructing justice by murdering people, especially to the degree and frequency they are. Things need to change and we unfortunately cannot rely on "our boys in blue" to make that change, without applying pressure.

People keep criticizing african americans when they kneel in protest, when they protest peacefully, when they do anything to voice their concern peacefully. They ignore it. They don't do jack shit. Well, I don't blame them for rioting. It's past-due.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 17, 2020, 02:56:30 PM
We have no means to stop the riots ...

You have no idea what does that mean.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 17, 2020, 06:58:05 PM
You have no idea what does that mean.


Yes, US has less experience with military coups compared to your country, unfortunately.  I want Mad Dog to go full frothing at the mouth Democrat ;-)

Yes, justice could be more blind, but not by poking out the eyes of the police!  I like trail by combat myself, better than jury of stupid people.  I would have paid to see a cage match between Trump and Hillary in 2016 ;-))
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 17, 2020, 07:14:06 PM
What? LOL You can't be that stupid, can you?
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Mike Cl on September 17, 2020, 07:22:26 PM
What? LOL You can't be that stupid, can you?
Yes, yes, he can be--and is.  But you are feeding the zoo creature again.................
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 17, 2020, 07:34:37 PM
What? LOL You can't be that stupid, can you?

You are quite convinced that crepe eating peruke wearing salon-istias are better than Central Asian traditions ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knqg9tHDWWQ

Not a croissant among them!

Problem with Progressives, is you are just like Rudyard Kipling, minus the Church of England
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 18, 2020, 12:02:29 AM
I say let the country burn to the ground until shit is sorted and things are reformed. It's basic human rights we're asking for. Not locking white people in a cage.

Law enforcement may get the fire started by employing their "heat ray" against protesters.

Hours before law enforcement officers violently cleared protesters from a square outside the White House in June, a top military police officer sought out weaponry like powerful sound cannons and a device that “causes targets to feel an unbearable heating sensation,” an Army National Guard major told lawmakers in written testimony.

The major, Adam DeMarco, an Iraq war veteran who serves in the District of Columbia National Guard and was called in to enforce the crackdown on protesters, told House lawmakers last month that he had received an email from a top law enforcement official at the Defense Department asking if the Guard was equipped with sound cannons or a nonlethal heat ray, known as the Active Denial System, or A.D.S.

“A.D.S. can provide our troops a capability they currently do not have,” the officer wrote, according to Major DeMarco’s testimony, reported earlier by NPR. “The A.D.S. can immediately compel an individual to cease threatening behavior or depart through application of a directed energy beam that provides a sensation of intense heat on the surface of the skin. The effect is overwhelming.” ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/us/politics/military-police-heat-ray-protests.html

https://youtu.be/u9p5naCkz2w
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 18, 2020, 01:44:08 AM
This isn't Paris, 1788, you LARPers!  There are people who would give their right nut to test this out.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on September 19, 2020, 10:04:29 PM
"Minnesota Population There may be as many as 35,760 to 150,000 Somalis living in Minnesota with 80% residing in Minneapolis, likely the highest concentration of Somalis in the U.S."

"Welcome to the George Floyd AUTONOMOUS ZONE, Antifa and BLM Take Over Minneapolis" … has nothing to do with Americans, but to make the US more like the banlueis outside Paris France (police no go zones) … got grifted by a nice Black man today, gave him $20 under false pretenses.  I don't mind.  The Somalis in Minneapolis would eat him alive, literally.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: GSOgymrat on September 20, 2020, 01:22:39 AM
This isn't Paris, 1788, you LARPers!  There are people who would give their right nut to test this out.

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/b0/3b/18/b03b183b3f0632f0af7d52ca1ea7112e.jpg)

"Death ray, fiddlesticks! Why it doesn't even slow them up."
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2020, 05:52:53 PM
"Brown University Researcher Says Trump Signs, American Flags "Scare" & "Traumatize" Black People" .. Black Snowflakes?  Maybe if they did less drugs ...
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 21, 2020, 10:44:57 AM
The like in Baruch's post made me curious, if Munch got in to check about any possible conversation on the Britain's current situation. there is a talk of famine...etc. Dark scenarios.

Hang in there, Munch. All of you Brits. Be safe. Everywhere is fucked up, it is just worse when you are an island.
Title: Re: George Floyd and racial justice
Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2020, 11:41:50 AM
The like in Baruch's post made me curious, if Munch got in to check about any possible conversation on the Britain's current situation. there is a talk of famine...etc. Dark scenarios.

Hang in there, Munch. All of you Brits. Be safe. Everywhere is fucked up, it is just worse when you are an island.

Yes, unless GB resumes being the slave of Berlin/Paris, and their pedophile elite, they are all doomed I tell you!  CIA/MI6 are in on it.

What GB needs is to guillotine their Transylvanian monarchy and the House of Turds.  Cromwell did nothing wrong.

A Brit says: "Boris is being held hostage by left wing Covid Nazis" ... now called Doris, because he is totally cucked by his Green Reset live-in girlfriend.