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Good morning,

My name is Holubice, a middle aged man form Italy. Please excuse me for my next mistakes, here and forward, as English is not my mother tongue. I have never been a religious man, since I was about 10-11 years old, I have never been interested on Church, priests, Gospel, and whatever. I just didn't care at all, till I was 30 years old, as I had a N.D.E....

Near-death experience (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience")

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... to understand what I mean. This even has completely transformed my live, upside-down, since that day changed completely  my goals, my points of views and my beliefs. Just afterward my 'trip', I read again the Gospel and, in just one night, I got an impressive controls of Holy Bible.

I have spent about 15 years to try to convert your colleagues (the Italians Atheist Forum (http://"https://atei.forumattivo.com/t2539-e-se-le-cose-cominciassero-a-precipitare-i-parte")) with (honestly) poor results.  I'm also sure that the present Pandemia have to be named into Plague, because:

• This virus does not kill innocent babies
  
• This virus does not kill the poor Black Men in the poorest countries of Africa
  
• This virus does not kill the poor immigrants living in the richest West countries
  
• This virus is killing those countries that have been egoist and ruthless towards refugees
  
• Canada and United States have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Canada, why it is a hecatomb in USA?
  
• Germany and France have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths  in Germany, why it is a hecatomb in France?
  
• Sweden and Switzerland have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Sweden, why it is a hecatomb in Switzerland?
  

I know those explanations may disappoint some of you, but that it is. I'm typing in different forums, so I may be late to respond you. That's all for now.


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Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 05:52:42 AM
Good morning,
My name is Holubice, a middle aged man form Italy. Please excuse me for my next mistakes, here and forward, as English is not my mother tongue.

You mistakes in grammar and language are fine.  However, your reasoning concerns me.  I was raised and taught to believe in God, but as I got older, I started looking at it logically.  I decided Christianity and religion were nonsense at worst or just props to deal with reality.  Your NDE was a dream, and from that dream you interpreted a god.  Your personal anecdotes don't impress me.  Telling me you found God on an oxygen deprived brain of a near death experience is about the worst evidence you can begin this discussion with.

Welcome to the forum.  Hope you stick around--well, maybe.  You have the right to believe anything you want.  But don't expect me to think you are right, for you aren't right.  I can tell from your post that you are not much of a thinker or searcher for facts; you are a theist who can only use their emotions and then accept all this god/jesus stuff based only on beliefs. 

I don't mind discussing any aspect of your fictional religion, but I'll be using facts and reasoning; can you do that? 

Well your first four “points” are wrong. The last three just jibberish.
Oh welcome formerly brain oxygen deprived person.

Quote from: SGOS on April 12, 2020, 08:43:45 AM
You mistakes in grammar and language are fine.  However, your reasoning concerns me.  I was raised and taught to believe in God, but as I got older, I started looking at it logically.  I decided Christianity and religion were nonsense at worst or just props to deal with reality.  Your NDE was a dream, and from that dream you interpreted a god.  Your personal anecdotes don't impress me.  Telling me you found God on an oxygen deprived brain of a near death experience is about the worst evidence you can begin this discussion with.

This introduction is to explain where everything begun. I never talk of my N.D.E. around as, from my experience, I know anybody think you got somehow crazy, or nearby...

The most  important event it's the great control of Holy Bible I got soon afterward, that it's the real reason I'm here in your site, in several different other forums, using all the languages I know. As I have a message, and an alert to give to you. I have to advice you, and soon afterward, you have to help me. As, I am sure, this is the Beginning of the End. In other word, this:


Attention: mystic content
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And Jesus being come out of the temple, went away. And his disciples came to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And he answering, said to them: Do you see all these things? Amen I say to you, there shall not be left here a stone upon a stone that shall not be destroyed.
3 And when he was sitting on mount Olivet, the disciples came to him privately, saying: Tell us when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the consummation of the world?
4 And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you.
5 For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ. And they will seduce many.
6 And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled. For these things must come to pass: but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: And there shall be pestilences and famines and earthquakes in places.
8 Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted and shall put you to death: and you shall be hated by all nations for my name’s sake.
10 And then shall many be scandalized and shall betray one another and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise and shall seduce many.
12 And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold.
13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations: and then shall the consummation come.
15 When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand.
16 Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains:
17 And he that is on the housetop, let him not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 And he that is in the field, let him not go back to take his coat.
19 And woe to them that are with child and that give suck in those days.
20 But pray that your flight be not in the winter or on the sabbath.
21 For there shall be then great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be.
22 And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh should be saved: but for the sake of the elect those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say to you, Lo here is Christ, or there: do not believe him.
24 For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect.
25 Behold I have told it to you, beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say to you, Behold he is in the desert: go ye not out. Behold he is in the closets: believe it not.
27 For as lightning cometh out of the east and appeareth even into the west: so shall also the cowling of the Son of man be.
28 Wheresoever the body shall be, there shall the eagles also be gathered together.
29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of heaven shall be moved.
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. And then shall all tribes of the earth mourn: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with much power and majesty.
31 And he shall send his angels with a trumpet and a great voice: and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the farthest parts of the heavens to the utmost bounds of them.
32 And from the fig tree learn a parable: When the branch thereof is now tender and the leaves come forth, you know that summer is nigh.
33 So you also, when you shall see all these things, know ye that it is nigh, even at the doors.
34 Amen I say to you that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass: but my words shall not pass.
36 But of that day and hour no one knoweth: no, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.
37 And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For, as in the days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark:
39 And they knew not till the flood came and took them all away: so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then two shall be in the field. One shall be taken and one shall be left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill. One shall be taken and one shall be left.
42 Watch ye therefore, because you know not what hour your Lord will come.
43 But this know ye, that, if the goodman of the house knew at what hour the thief would come, he would certainly watch and would not suffer his house to be broken open.
44 Wherefore be you also ready, because at what hour you know not the Son of man will come.
45 Who, thinkest thou, is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath appointed over his family, to give them meat in season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom when his lord shall come he shall find so doing.
47 Amen I say to you: he shall place him over all his goods.
48 But if that evil servant shall say in his heart: My lord is long a coming:
49 And shall begin to strike his fellow servants and shall eat and drink with drunkards:
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day that he hopeth not and at an hour that he knoweth not
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Quote from: Mike Cl on April 12, 2020, 08:50:57 AM
Welcome to the forum.  Hope you stick around--well, maybe.  You have the right to believe anything you want.  But don't expect me to think you are right, for you aren't right.  I can tell from your post that you are not much of a thinker or searcher for facts; you are a theist who can only use their emotions and then accept all this god/jesus stuff based only on beliefs. 

I don't mind discussing any aspect of your fictional religion, but I'll be using facts and reasoning; can you do that?

If you are interested on what I have to say, I will talk to you. Otherwise I will add your user in my ignore list, and I will continue with your mates in the forum (If any). You feel free to do the same with my user. I have not time to loose in explanation. I have spent 15 years in doing so here (Italian Atheist Forum (http://"https://atei.forumattivo.com/t1457-caro-missionario")) so I know by memory all yours counter-argument (Occam rule, Russel's pot, Invisibile Unicorn, etc, etc...). I am in a hurry. If you ban me, will pass over to another place, as I have been ordered to do


Attention: mystic content
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1 And after these things, the Lord appointed also other seventy-two. And he sent them two and two before his face into every city and place whither he himself was to come.
2 And he said to them: The harvest indeed is great, but the labourers are few. Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest that he send labourers into his harvest.
3 Go: Behold I send you as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
5 Into whatever house you enter, first say: Peace be to this house.
6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon him: but if not, it shall return to you.
7 And in the same house, remain, eating and drinking such things as they have: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Remove not from house to house.
8 And into what city soever you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you.
9 And heal the sick that are therein and say to them: The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
10 But into whatsoever city you enter, and they receive you not, going forth into the streets thereof, say:
11 Even the very dust of your city that cleaveth to us, we wipe off against you. Yet know this, that the kingdom of God is at hand.
12 I say to you, it shall be more tolerable at that day for Sodom than for that city.
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Remember: He came 2.000 years ago as Savior. He's coming back as Judge.

Quote from: aitm on April 12, 2020, 09:20:05 AM
Well your first four “points” are wrong. The last three just jibberish.
Oh welcome formerly brain oxygen deprived person.

My first 4 points are incontrovertible.

Look at the chart of deaths all around the World, and you will see the 'strange' oddity I have stressed out.

This Virus is looking for the persons who has to kill.

Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 09:25:57 AM
I have a message, and an alert to give to you. I have to advice you

I've already heard the message and been advised.  I just don't believe the message.

Ciao, Holubice ...

We have many strange experiences.  I don't doubt a sincere anecdote.  Two nights ago I was with my parents, now deceased, in a dream I had.  For me, paranormal experiences are a "different kind of reality" from regular waking consciousness.  Because I am an empiricist first, rationalist second.  We have many confusing experiences while dreaming, or in visions etc.  Some more interesting than others, particularly vivid dreams.  I have met Napoleon Bonaparte at a wine-cheese party in Paris circa 1800 for example.  For me, ordinary experience is miraculous, and easier to understand.  But having unusual experiences did help me escape the normal confirmation bias we get from daily life.

Next time, post in Introductions please.

Quote from: SGOS on April 12, 2020, 09:52:18 AM
I've already heard the message and been advised.  I just don't believe the message.

Ok, but stay tuned on news here forward...

Coronavirus: New York ramps up mass burials amid outbreak (http://"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52241221")

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"... Workers in hazmat outfits were seen stacking wooden coffins in deep trenches in Hart Island.
Officials say burials are being ramped up at site, which has long been used for people with no next-of-kin or families who cannot afford a funeral.
New York state now has more coronavirus cases than any single country.
The state's confirmed caseload of Covid-19 is nearly 162,000, of whom 7,844 have died.
Spain has recorded about 157,000 cases and Italy 143,600, while China, where the virus emerged last year, has nearly 83,000 cases.
The US as a whole has recorded 467,000 cases and about 16,700 deaths. Globally there are 1.6 million cases and 97,000 deaths...." (CONTINUE IN THE LINK)

_________________________________________________________


Evidence from Wuhan’s morgues, crematoriums suggests COVID-19 deaths 20 times higher than official count (http://"https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/evidence-from-wuhans-morgues-crematoriums-suggests-covid-19-deaths-20-times-higher-than-official-count")

(https://lisahaven.news/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Screen-Shot-2020-02-06-at-10.13.39-AM.png)

"... Chinese government data for Wuhan show that 2,535 people died and 50,006 were infected, but realistic numbers are 50,000 dead and 2.5 million infected.  ..." (CONTINUE IN THE LINK)


Attention: mystic content
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1 And there came to him the Pharisees and Sadducees tempting: and they asked him to shew them a sign from heaven.
2 But he answered and said to them: When it is evening, you say, It will be fair weather, for the sky is red.
3 And in the morning: To day there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign: and a sign shall not be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. And he left them, and went away
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Don't look at my posts. Look outside your window.

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I can't imagine a real theist choosing Ned Flanders as an avatar, even as lovable as Ned was, I think we have a troll.

Maybe he has a new Covid symptom ;-)

Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 09:48:24 AM
My first 4 points are incontrovertible.

If by “incontrovertible” you actually mean bullshit, then you are correct. Your “facts” are as much bullshit as your babble.

Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
If you are interested on what I have to say, I will talk to you. Otherwise I will add your user in my ignore list, and I will continue with your mates in the forum (If any). You feel free to do the same with my user. I have not time to loose in explanation. I have spent 15 years in doing so here (Italian Atheist Forum (http://"https://atei.forumattivo.com/t1457-caro-missionario")) so I know by memory all yours counter-argument (Occam rule, Russel's pot, Invisibile Unicorn, etc, etc...). I am in a hurry. If you ban me, will pass over to another place, as I have been ordered to do


Attention: mystic content
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1 And after these things, the Lord appointed also other seventy-two. And he sent them two and two before his face into every city and place whither he himself was to come.
2 And he said to them: The harvest indeed is great, but the labourers are few. Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest that he send labourers into his harvest.
3 Go: Behold I send you as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
5 Into whatever house you enter, first say: Peace be to this house.
6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon him: but if not, it shall return to you.
7 And in the same house, remain, eating and drinking such things as they have: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Remove not from house to house.
8 And into what city soever you enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you.
9 And heal the sick that are therein and say to them: The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
10 But into whatsoever city you enter, and they receive you not, going forth into the streets thereof, say:
11 Even the very dust of your city that cleaveth to us, we wipe off against you. Yet know this, that the kingdom of God is at hand.
12 I say to you, it shall be more tolerable at that day for Sodom than for that city.
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Remember: He came 2.000 years ago as Savior. He's coming back as Judge.

Let's start with your wonderful, fanciful, and fictional jesus.  He is not a real person.  He is a fiction.  Can you show me the error of my ways?  Offer me some kind of evidence that he did exist, except in the minds of his creators.  You can't offer me any writer who was a witness of this supposed person/creature/fiction, because none wrote about him.  And no, the bible does not count.  And even in the bible, starting with the earliest writer, Paul, he wrote his first 'book' in the 50's, and the other authors of the NT are unknown and their material was written starting in the 70's. 

Quote from: SGOS on April 12, 2020, 10:25:14 AM
I can't imagine a real theist choosing Ned Flanders as an avatar, even as lovable as Ned was, I think we have a troll.

I'm not Theist. Voltair was a theist. I am a Christian.

And I'm using Ned Flanders since a long time ago... Again, fell free to check it out...

Instant guide Italian Atheist Forum (http://"https://atei.forumattivo.com/t2360-piccolo-manuale-per-l-uso-del-forum")

... don't get me wrong: I don't want to divert all of you to your colleague in my country, I just want to prove you I'm trying to persuade people like you since a long time ago, when nobody could suspect such a great mess like now.

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Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 12:45:44 PM
since a long time ago, when nobody could suspect such a great mess like now.

Awww, ain’t it cute? Since he is experiencing a pandemic, he thinks it has never happened before.ðŸ™,,

Quote from: aitm on April 12, 2020, 11:18:37 AM
If by “incontrovertible” you actually mean bullshit, then you are correct. Your “facts” are as much bullshit as your babble.

Go to this Wikipedia English list:

2019â€"20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_by_country_and_territory")

... go 2/3 pages down, till the title "Pandemic by country and territory", in the list in the right, order the  list clicking on the column "Deaths", then evaluate the number of deaths of...

(https://i.ibb.co/hXNWtRh/Covid19-Tabella-Morti-Mondiale.png) (https://ibb.co/9w0TC9z)


Mexico                      (116 million inhabitants)
United States            (330 million inhabitants)

... and many others poor country, with a large population. Compare their deaths with deaths in West Opulent Countries.

Is there somebody keen in statistic out there? Is there anyone able to draw a chart with:

x= Revenue pro capita (in dollars)
y= Number Covid-19 deaths pro capita

... where you dot the chart with all the countries in this Planet?

Thank you very much indeed.


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Your lies were:
Innocent babies haven’t died, black people in poor countries haven’t died and poor immigrants in western countries haven’t died. All lies. You are a liar, and as such everything out of your fingers is to be considered a lie.

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 12, 2020, 11:49:04 AM
Let's start with your wonderful, fanciful, and fictional jesus.  He is not a real person.  He is a fiction.  Can you show me the error of my ways?  Offer me some kind of evidence that he did exist, except in the minds of his creators.  You can't offer me any writer who was a witness of this supposed person/creature/fiction, because none wrote about him.  And no, the bible does not count.  And even in the bible, starting with the earliest writer, Paul, he wrote his first 'book' in the 50's, and the other authors of the NT are unknown and their material was written starting in the 70's.

Stop. I have enough. You go into my ignore list. You are not listening to me, you have your certainly to keep till the End. I am sure you are in this number:


Attention: mystic content (if you open it, it's at you responsibility)
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18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice:
19 Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made. His eternal power also and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.
21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God or given thanks: but became vain in their thoughts. And their foolish heart was darkened.
22 For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts and of creeping things.
24 Wherefore, God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness: to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause, God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.
27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts, one towards another: men with men, working that which is filthy and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient.
29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness: full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity: whisperers,
30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Foolish, dissolute: without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.
32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death: and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
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I have not time to waste with you. Bye.

Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 01:27:19 PM

Stop. I have enough. You go into my ignore list.

Oh noooes,,,oh nooses, I made the liars iggy list.....oh noes!🤣

Quote from: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:32:03 PM
Oh noooes,,,oh nooses, I made the liars iggy list.....oh noes!🤣

Can you explain me, in this forum, how it is possible to add a user to 'ignore list'...?

Liars, when presented the truth, tend to call the truth a lie.

Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
Can you explain me, in this forum, how it is possible to add a user to 'ignore list'...?

Ask Jesus, he’s almost real.ðŸ™,,

Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
Can you explain me, in this forum, how it is possible to add a user to 'ignore list'...?

When you pray believing, you can tell a mountain to move and it will.....let’s see how you do with a simple ignore button.ðŸ™,,

Quote from: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:19:01 PM
Your lies were:
Innocent babies haven’t died, black people in poor countries haven’t died and poor immigrants in western countries haven’t died. All lies. You are a liar, and as such everything out of your fingers is to be considered a lie.

Or my English is very poor, or your intellect is very poor...

"Tertium non datur"

You are saying the same I do. I said that the Covid-19 Virus is, now, world widespread: anywhere. But, pro capita, in poor countries the men who die are incredibly low. They are low in poor, with lacking health system of Black Africa, in Philippine, in Mexico, in Peru, and in all the neglected sides of this Planet.

With this Virus, He is paying back us with the same coin. Why...?

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... because we have turned our head to so many injustice, and towards so many our brothers and sisters who where in need or in danger...


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31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty.
32 And all nations shall be gathered together before him: and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
34 Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink: I was a stranger, and you took me in:
36 Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.
37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry and fed thee: thirsty and gave thee drink?
38 Or when did we see thee a stranger and took thee in? Or naked and covered thee?
39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison and came to thee?
40 And the king answering shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.
41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty and you gave me not to drink.
43 I was a stranger and you took me not in: naked and you covered me not: sick and in prison and you did not visit me.
44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison and did not minister to thee?
45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen: I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.
46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
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An with Him, it's approaching  also the...

Redde rationem (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redde_rationem")



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Move the goal posts. Gotcha. Still makes you a liar.

The picture of the little boy, who died because his father took too much risk to get better dental work in Europe ... low brow.

Quote from: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 01:27:19 PM

Stop. I have enough. You go into my ignore list. You are not listening to me, you have your certainly to keep till the End. I am sure you are in this number:


Attention: mystic content (if you open it, it's at you responsibility)
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18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice:
19 Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made. His eternal power also and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.
21 Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God or given thanks: but became vain in their thoughts. And their foolish heart was darkened.
22 For, professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.
23 And they changed the glory of the incorruptible God into the likeness of the image of a corruptible man and of birds, and of fourfooted beasts and of creeping things.
24 Wherefore, God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness: to dishonour their own bodies among themselves.
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause, God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature.
27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts, one towards another: men with men, working that which is filthy and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
28 And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient.
29 Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness: full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity: whisperers,
30 Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Foolish, dissolute: without affection, without fidelity, without mercy.
32 Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death: and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
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I have not time to waste with you. Bye.

Like every other theist/christian/liar you simply put your head up your butt and holler stop, stop.  Pathetic is too nice a word.

Oof

Quote from: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 05:52:23 PM
The picture of the little boy, who died because his father took too much risk to get better dental work in Europe ... low brow.

There are also impetuous fathers looking for a good dentist in the States...

Family of girl and dad who drowned trying to reach U.S.: "He always protected her" (http://"https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/25/photo-drowned-migrant-daughter-rio-grande-us-mexico-border")

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"... The mother of a Salvadoran migrant who drowned alongside his 23-month-old daughter while trying to cross into the United States said the man “loved his daughter so much” and was seeking a better life for his family.
Ã"scar Alberto Martínez Ramírez and his daughter Valeria died while trying to cross the Rio Grande on Sunday, their deaths captured by a horrific and haunting image that sparked outrage.
The father and daughter lie face down in the water on the bank of the Rio Grande in Matamoros, Mexico, Valeria tucked inside her father’s shirt with her tiny arm wrapped around his neck. ..." (CONTINUE IN THE LINK)



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QuoteThis virus does not kill innocent babies

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/)

I guess that was probably just a guilty baby.

QuoteThis virus does not kill the poor Black Men in the poorest countries of Africa

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/830209940/10-000-cases-and-500-deaths-in-africa-health-officials-say-its-just-the-beginnin (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/830209940/10-000-cases-and-500-deaths-in-africa-health-officials-say-its-just-the-beginnin)

500+ deaths in Africa, but you also have to remember several key factors...

- Africa is still in it's first stages of having the virus. The curve starts low and remains that way for awhile before exponentially rising.
- In impoverished regions, they do not have the required equipment to test or diagnose those sick with the Coronavirus which keeps the numbers low.
- Additionally in impoverished countries, many of them simply don't have the governance to keep track of statistics like that while also dealing with a horrendous pandemic.

Also keep in mind that East Africa is currently going through it's largest locust swarms in over 50 years, and because of shut down international trade they are realistically looking at a swarm that could destroy a crop that feeds hundreds of millions of people. So maybe God just decided to punish them with starvation and locust rather than the virus.

QuoteThis virus does not kill the poor immigrants living in the richest West countries

At least here in the United States, minorities are heavily disproportionately being effected by the health effects of the virus, and likely that number is even higher as immigrants are scared to seek treatment over fear of being deported.

Even if it doesn't kill them, unemployment has heavily hit the working poor, many of whom are immigrants and they will lose most if not all they have worked for.

QuoteThis virus is killing those countries that have been egoist and ruthless towards refugees

Wrong again, Bob.

QuoteCanada and United States have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Canada, why it is a hecatomb in USA?

Canadians have much better access to health services, testing and quarantining was done much quicker and on a larger scale in Canada, and in general Canadians have a much higher standard of living than Americans which means far fewer underlying conditions.

QuoteGermany and France have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths  in Germany, why it is a hecatomb in France?

I don't know the exact reasoning for this one (though I know France has higher socio-economic divides, often racial, than your average European country so I would wager that is a large part of it)... but I do know, at least initially, Germany's infected were predominately younger citizens who have a higher chance of survival than the elderly.

Your god theory doesn't really hold up, and in fact undermines and ignores that the "poor people" you are pretending to care about are suffering far worse than the wealthy are. Do you think God would be particularly happy about that?

Quote from: Shiranu on April 12, 2020, 08:59:44 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/)

I guess that was probably just a guilty baby.

You have to read better the article you link to me...

Quote... On Monday, Chicago reported what is believed to be the first infant to die from the virus. Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said in a press release announcing the death that "there has never before been a death associated with COVID-19 in an infant."   ...

... they are not sure the baby has died for Covid-19. The baby has died with Covid-19. And, anyway, they had never before a death accocieted with the Virus. Today about 800 people died just in New York.

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Quote from: Shiranu on April 12, 2020, 08:59:44 PM
500+ deaths in Africa, but you also have to remember several key factors...

- Africa is still in it's first stages of having the virus. The curve starts low and remains that way for awhile before exponentially rising.
- In impoverished regions, they do not have the required equipment to test or diagnose those sick with the Coronavirus which keeps the numbers low.
- Additionally in impoverished countries, many of them simply don't have the governance to keep track of statistics like that while also dealing with a horrendous pandemic.

Also keep in mind that East Africa is currently going through it's largest locust swarms in over 50 years, and because of shut down international trade they are realistically looking at a swarm that could destroy a crop that feeds hundreds of millions of people. So maybe God just decided to punish them with starvation and locust rather than the virus.
...

Right now, in Lagos, the capital of Nigeria, all the people are afraid for the Pandemic, but nobody die. Nigeria is a over populated country, with a lot of interest and workers form China till yesterday afternoon. In Lagos, right now, you should have (at least) 800 deaths as in New York. May be more.

No, we are talking of the victims of Covid-19. The victims of Starvation and Locus are caused by me and you, that we have turn the other side our face, and we have not sent money to eliminate that Starvation (just few dollars/euros would be sufficient) or equipment to stop locusts. Those deaths are just ours.

And we are going to pay for them. 

Quote from: Shiranu on April 12, 2020, 08:59:44 PM
At least here in the United States, minorities are heavily disproportionately being effected by the health effects of the virus, and likely that number is even higher as immigrants are scared to seek treatment over fear of being deported.
Even if it doesn't kill them, unemployment has heavily hit the working poor, many of whom are immigrants and they will lose most if not all they have worked for.

We have a lot of immigrant also here, in my country, Italy. This Virus is not touching them. Look better your charts and your number: you will realize the Virus is not touching even yours poor immigrants

Quote from: Shiranu on April 12, 2020, 08:59:44 PM
Canadians have much better access to health services, testing and quarantining was done much quicker and on a larger scale in Canada, and in general Canadians have a much higher standard of living than Americans which means far fewer underlying conditions.

They taught me United States of America is the richest country on Earth. Or one of the richer. You have been on the Moon, not Canadians. But the deaths charts have some inexplicable  incongruity (I mean deaths 'pro capita')

Quote from: Shiranu on April 12, 2020, 08:59:44 PM
I don't know the exact reasoning for this one (though I know France has higher socio-economic divides, often racial, than your average European country so I would wager that is a large part of it)... but I do know, at least initially, Germany's infected were predominately younger citizens who have a higher chance of survival than the elderly.

I explain you better: Germany has welcomed almost all the millions refugees escaping form Yugoslavia '90 war. Angela Merkel, watching the Alan Kurdi  bady laying on the sand of Turkey, she decided to open her border to more them 1,5 milion of refugees coming form Syria. And, somehow, she worked to transferred several billions of euros to cover cost of refugee camps in south Turkey. 

Germany is having few deaths as Germany deserve it.   


Redde rationem
You will get what you give... This Virus is just foretaste...



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QuoteYou will get what you give.

On this, you are absolutely correct. You have given us nothing, so you shale receive nothing in return.






You have explicitly stated that you have come here to proselytize, which is a violation of our forum rules. On top of that you say you have been doing that for over 15 years across multiple forums, which indicates a very blatant disrespect not just towards us but to other members of our global community.

It is very hard to believe you have any good faith intentions given that. But I will offer one more chance...



You are the one making an extremely bold claim that the Coronavirus, despite everything virology has taught us over the last 120-some years, is capable of only infecting people who God has deemed guilty while leaving the "innocent" alone. This is simply incorrect, but not only that it is both medically dangerous rhetoric and also implies that the millions upon millions suffering, in one way or another, because of this virus are doing so because your God believes they deserve it.


That requires evidence, and considering you are justifying the suffering of millions of human beings... that requires some really fucking good evidence.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm)

QuoteAmong 149,082 (99.6%) reported cases for which age was known, 2,572 (1.7%) were among children aged <18 years. Data were available for a small proportion of patients on many important variables, including symptoms (9.4%), underlying conditions (13%), and hospitalization status (33%). Among those with available information, 73% of pediatric patients had symptoms of fever, cough, or shortness of breath compared with 93% of adults aged 18â€"64 years during the same period; 5.7% of all pediatric patients, or 20% of those for whom hospitalization status was known, were hospitalized, lower than the percentages hospitalized among all adults aged 18â€"64 years (10%) or those with known hospitalization status (33%). Three deaths were reported among the pediatric cases included in this analysis.

That is just the U.S.'s numbers on pediatric cases of Coronavirus, which doesn't take into account that it is 2 weeks old as well as many states still are not properly able to test their patients.


Louisiana, one of our hardest hit states per capita, has overwhelming number of African Americans, the working poor, suffering from this virus.


http://ldh.la.gov/Coronavirus/ (http://ldh.la.gov/Coronavirus/)


Of the 840 deaths reported in Louisiana, 70.48% of the victims were African Americans despite them making up only 32% of the population.

This number is repeated across the United States, with African Americans and Latinos having significantly disproportionate rates of fatalities to the Coronavirus; and as stated before that is amongst a community that is reluctant to seek medical attention because of fears of deportation as well as lack of access to medical facilities and testing centers.


The working poor of America, and particularly the colored working poor, are being hit hard by this virus. Therefor the only thing I can conclude is that God hates blacks and browns and blames them for the sins of the world more than he does whites, otherwise would he be punishing them so much more?

And that's just with the virus and not taking into account the economic damage it has caused to our minority communities, economic damage that is significantly worse than it has been for white Americans.

Does God hate minorities then... or when he sent this plague to punish us did he not realise that it would hurt the poor more than it would hurt the rich?

Quote from: Shiranu on January 11, 1975, 07:16:08 AM
You have explicitly stated that you have come here to proselytize, which is a violation of our forum rules. On top of that you say you have been doing that for over 15 years across multiple forums, which indicates a very blatant disrespect not just towards us but to other members of our global community(1).
It is very hard to believe you have any good faith intentions given that. But I will offer one more chance...

Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Imperator,_morituri_te_salutant")


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1) This is not to disrespect the Global Community. This is to say the True, just the True, nothing else than True. If you don't like the True, that's your businesses, and that's your fault. And that is to prove guilty to those ones, since a long time ago, they have heart my words, and they had always had fun of me.

If you want to ban me and, doing so, you impede your members to read my words, you are free to do it. But that will be just another foulness you add to all you did till today. And you will pay it.

I am not here to persuade you. There is no time. I am here to alert you. And I say you (all) a preventative good bye.



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5 These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not.
6 But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give.
9 Do not possess gold, nor silver, nor money in your purses:
10 Nor scrip for your journey, nor two coats, nor shoes, nor a staff; for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11 And into whatsoever city or town you shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and there abide till you go thence.
12 And when you come into the house, salute it, saying: Peace be to this house.
13 And if that house be worthy, your peace shall come upon it; but if it be not worthy, your peace shall return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet.
15 Amen I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
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21 The brother also shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the son; and the children shall rise up against their parents, and shall put them to death.
22 And you shall be hated by all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.
23 And when they shall persecute you in this city, flee into another. Amen I say to you, you shall not finish all the cities of Israel, till the Son of man come.
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You don't want me to stay? I leave your city...


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well....that was easy. Now remember, you said you were leaving, don't start lying again.

This is the worst nightmare coming true ...



Patients who have recovered from the killer coronavirus can get the SARS-like infection AGAIN, Chinese doctor claims (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7973905/Patients-recovered-killer-coronavirus-infected-AGAIN.html)

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"...  Patients who recover from China's deadly coronavirus are at risk or relapsing or catching it again, a doctor working in the outbreak has warned.
One of the riskiest elements of the coronavirus is that people have no immunity to it because it's completely new.
And although the body is able to become partly immune to some viruses â€" like flu â€" or almost completely immune to others â€" like chickenpox â€" reinfections do happen.
The coronavirus gripping China's Hubei province is no exception, according to a doctor in the country's health commission.
Dr Zhan Qingyuan said there is a 'likelihood of relapse' for patients who have recovered from the coronavirus.
More than 28,000 people have caught the infection this month and 565 have now died because of it, with nearly all of the cases and deaths happening in China..."

This is not a Virus. It is more similar to the ...

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Myth of Sisyphus (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus")

... this pestilence will never end. The virus has the same Hepatitis 'C' behavior, you get ill, you recover, you get in touch again with it, and you get ill again. No antibody. This is not an illness. This is more similar to a...

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... infernal bolgia. A foretest fo what is approaching us.



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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7973905/Patients-recovered-killer-coronavirus-infected-AGAIN.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/02/19/coronavirus-after-2000-deaths-can-you-get-virus-again/4804905002/

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-risk-of-reinfection-2020-2?IR=T

https://futurism.com/neoscope/scientists-warn-coronavirus-more-than-once

Quote from: aitm on April 13, 2020, 11:27:29 AM
well....that was easy. Now remember, you said you were leaving, don't start lying again.

I will stay till the day you will kick me off.

I do the same in several places, in different countries, wherever I can. It's a strenuous effort. I am not here to mock you. I take it tremendous seriously. This is the assignment you have to help me to achieve



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4 And Jesus answering, said to them: Take heed that no man seduce you.
5 For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ. And they will seduce many.
6 And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled. For these things must come to pass: but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: And there shall be pestilences and famines and earthquakes in places.
8 Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted and shall put you to death: and you shall be hated by all nations for my name’s sake.
10 And then shall many be scandalized and shall betray one another and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise and shall seduce many.
12 And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold.
13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations: and then shall the consummation come.
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You must help me to speed up His coming back.

Quote from: Holubice on April 13, 2020, 11:58:42 AMI will stay till the day you will kick me off.

Sounds like a plan.

Quote from: Holubice on April 13, 2020, 11:58:42 AM

I will stay till the day you will kick me off.

I do the same in several places, in different countries, wherever I can. It's a strenuous effort. I am not here to mock you. I take it tremendous seriously. This is the assignment you have to help me to achieve


You must help me to speed up His coming back.

Let's see-His??  Must be Pacos Bill...............or Paul Bunyan......no, must be Johnny Appleseed---yeah, that's it.  Who couldn't use a good apple every now and again??

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 13, 2020, 12:43:02 PM
Let's see-His??  Must be Pacos Bill...............or Paul Bunyan......no, must be Johnny Appleseed---yeah, that's it.  Who couldn't use a good apple every now and again??

I don't think he will be able to see this. Sorry, I should have asked if everyone was done with him before I pulled the trigger.

Quote from: Shiranu on April 13, 2020, 01:40:09 PM
I don't think he will be able to see this. Sorry, I should have asked if everyone was done with him before I pulled the trigger.

He seems to clearly be a troll ;-(

Quote from: Shiranu on April 13, 2020, 01:40:09 PM
I don't think he will be able to see this. Sorry, I should have asked if everyone was done with him before I pulled the trigger.

Ya beat me to it. Yeah, not much promise with that nut.

Quote from: Shiranu on April 13, 2020, 01:40:09 PM
I don't think he will be able to see this. Sorry, I should have asked if everyone was done with him before I pulled the trigger.

Not a problem--a troll is a troll.  You did the right thing.

Quote from: SGOS on April 12, 2020, 08:43:45 AM
You mistakes in grammar and language are fine.  However, your reasoning concerns me.  I was raised and taught to believe in God, but as I got older, I started looking at it logically.  I decided Christianity and religion were nonsense at worst or just props to deal with reality.  Your NDE was a dream, and from that dream you interpreted a god.  Your personal anecdotes don't impress me.  Telling me you found God on an oxygen deprived brain of a near death experience is about the worst evidence you can begin this discussion with.

Your*

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 14, 2020, 05:19:16 AM
Your*

"Your mistakes is fine."