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Title: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 05:52:42 AM
Good morning,

My name is Holubice, a middle aged man form Italy. Please excuse me for my next mistakes, here and forward, as English is not my mother tongue. I have never been a religious man, since I was about 10-11 years old, I have never been interested on Church, priests, Gospel, and whatever. I just didn't care at all, till I was 30 years old, as I had a N.D.E....

Near-death experience (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience")

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Gv3DintIGM0/TUIjC9Zs-sI/AAAAAAAAAWg/FZzGgbkM1CI/s400/premorte1.jpg)

... to understand what I mean. This even has completely transformed my live, upside-down, since that day changed completely  my goals, my points of views and my beliefs. Just afterward my 'trip', I read again the Gospel and, in just one night, I got an impressive controls of Holy Bible.

 I have spent about 15 years to try to convert your colleagues (the Italians Atheist Forum (http://"https://atei.forumattivo.com/t2539-e-se-le-cose-cominciassero-a-precipitare-i-parte")) with (honestly) poor results.  I'm also sure that the present Pandemia have to be named into Plague, because:

I know those explanations may disappoint some of you, but that it is. I'm typing in different forums, so I may be late to respond you. That's all for now.


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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: SGOS on April 12, 2020, 08:43:45 AM
Good morning,
My name is Holubice, a middle aged man form Italy. Please excuse me for my next mistakes, here and forward, as English is not my mother tongue.
You mistakes in grammar and language are fine.  However, your reasoning concerns me.  I was raised and taught to believe in God, but as I got older, I started looking at it logically.  I decided Christianity and religion were nonsense at worst or just props to deal with reality.  Your NDE was a dream, and from that dream you interpreted a god.  Your personal anecdotes don't impress me.  Telling me you found God on an oxygen deprived brain of a near death experience is about the worst evidence you can begin this discussion with.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Mike Cl on April 12, 2020, 08:50:57 AM
Welcome to the forum.  Hope you stick around--well, maybe.  You have the right to believe anything you want.  But don't expect me to think you are right, for you aren't right.  I can tell from your post that you are not much of a thinker or searcher for facts; you are a theist who can only use their emotions and then accept all this god/jesus stuff based only on beliefs. 

I don't mind discussing any aspect of your fictional religion, but I'll be using facts and reasoning; can you do that? 
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 09:20:05 AM
Well your first four “points” are wrong. The last three just jibberish.
Oh welcome formerly brain oxygen deprived person.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 09:25:57 AM
You mistakes in grammar and language are fine.  However, your reasoning concerns me.  I was raised and taught to believe in God, but as I got older, I started looking at it logically.  I decided Christianity and religion were nonsense at worst or just props to deal with reality.  Your NDE was a dream, and from that dream you interpreted a god.  Your personal anecdotes don't impress me.  Telling me you found God on an oxygen deprived brain of a near death experience is about the worst evidence you can begin this discussion with.
This introduction is to explain where everything begun. I never talk of my N.D.E. around as, from my experience, I know anybody think you got somehow crazy, or nearby...

The most  important event it's the great control of Holy Bible I got soon afterward, that it's the real reason I'm here in your site, in several different other forums, using all the languages I know. As I have a message, and an alert to give to you. I have to advice you, and soon afterward, you have to help me. As, I am sure, this is the Beginning of the End. In other word, this:


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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
Welcome to the forum.  Hope you stick around--well, maybe.  You have the right to believe anything you want.  But don't expect me to think you are right, for you aren't right.  I can tell from your post that you are not much of a thinker or searcher for facts; you are a theist who can only use their emotions and then accept all this god/jesus stuff based only on beliefs. 

I don't mind discussing any aspect of your fictional religion, but I'll be using facts and reasoning; can you do that?
If you are interested on what I have to say, I will talk to you. Otherwise I will add your user in my ignore list, and I will continue with your mates in the forum (If any). You feel free to do the same with my user. I have not time to loose in explanation. I have spent 15 years in doing so here (Italian Atheist Forum (http://"https://atei.forumattivo.com/t1457-caro-missionario")) so I know by memory all yours counter-argument (Occam rule, Russel's pot, Invisibile Unicorn, etc, etc...). I am in a hurry. If you ban me, will pass over to another place, as I have been ordered to do


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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 09:48:24 AM
Well your first four “points” are wrong. The last three just jibberish.
Oh welcome formerly brain oxygen deprived person.
My first 4 points are incontrovertible.

Look at the chart of deaths all around the World, and you will see the 'strange' oddity I have stressed out.

This Virus is looking for the persons who has to kill.

Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: SGOS on April 12, 2020, 09:52:18 AM
I have a message, and an alert to give to you. I have to advice you
I've already heard the message and been advised.  I just don't believe the message.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 10:09:58 AM
Ciao, Holubice ...

We have many strange experiences.  I don't doubt a sincere anecdote.  Two nights ago I was with my parents, now deceased, in a dream I had.  For me, paranormal experiences are a "different kind of reality" from regular waking consciousness.  Because I am an empiricist first, rationalist second.  We have many confusing experiences while dreaming, or in visions etc.  Some more interesting than others, particularly vivid dreams.  I have met Napoleon Bonaparte at a wine-cheese party in Paris circa 1800 for example.  For me, ordinary experience is miraculous, and easier to understand.  But having unusual experiences did help me escape the normal confirmation bias we get from daily life.

Next time, post in Introductions please.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 10:18:36 AM
I've already heard the message and been advised.  I just don't believe the message.
Ok, but stay tuned on news here forward...

Coronavirus: New York ramps up mass burials amid outbreak (http://"https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52241221")

(https://www.theweek.in/content/dam/week/news/india/New-York-hart-Island-Mass-Grave-AP.jpg)

"... Workers in hazmat outfits were seen stacking wooden coffins in deep trenches in Hart Island.
Officials say burials are being ramped up at site, which has long been used for people with no next-of-kin or families who cannot afford a funeral.
New York state now has more coronavirus cases than any single country.
The state's confirmed caseload of Covid-19 is nearly 162,000, of whom 7,844 have died.
Spain has recorded about 157,000 cases and Italy 143,600, while China, where the virus emerged last year, has nearly 83,000 cases.
The US as a whole has recorded 467,000 cases and about 16,700 deaths. Globally there are 1.6 million cases and 97,000 deaths...."
(CONTINUE IN THE LINK)

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Evidence from Wuhan’s morgues, crematoriums suggests COVID-19 deaths 20 times higher than official count (http://"https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/evidence-from-wuhans-morgues-crematoriums-suggests-covid-19-deaths-20-times-higher-than-official-count")


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"... Chinese government data for Wuhan show that 2,535 people died and 50,006 were infected, but realistic numbers are 50,000 dead and 2.5 million infected.  ..."
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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: SGOS on April 12, 2020, 10:25:14 AM
I can't imagine a real theist choosing Ned Flanders as an avatar, even as lovable as Ned was, I think we have a troll.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 10:53:02 AM
Maybe he has a new Covid symptom ;-)
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 11:18:37 AM
My first 4 points are incontrovertible.

If by “incontrovertible” you actually mean bullshit, then you are correct. Your “facts” are as much bullshit as your babble.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Mike Cl on April 12, 2020, 11:49:04 AM
If you are interested on what I have to say, I will talk to you. Otherwise I will add your user in my ignore list, and I will continue with your mates in the forum (If any). You feel free to do the same with my user. I have not time to loose in explanation. I have spent 15 years in doing so here (Italian Atheist Forum (http://"https://atei.forumattivo.com/t1457-caro-missionario")) so I know by memory all yours counter-argument (Occam rule, Russel's pot, Invisibile Unicorn, etc, etc...). I am in a hurry. If you ban me, will pass over to another place, as I have been ordered to do


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Let's start with your wonderful, fanciful, and fictional jesus.  He is not a real person.  He is a fiction.  Can you show me the error of my ways?  Offer me some kind of evidence that he did exist, except in the minds of his creators.  You can't offer me any writer who was a witness of this supposed person/creature/fiction, because none wrote about him.  And no, the bible does not count.  And even in the bible, starting with the earliest writer, Paul, he wrote his first 'book' in the 50's, and the other authors of the NT are unknown and their material was written starting in the 70's. 
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 12:45:44 PM
I can't imagine a real theist choosing Ned Flanders as an avatar, even as lovable as Ned was, I think we have a troll.
I'm not Theist. Voltair was a theist. I am a Christian.

And I'm using Ned Flanders since a long time ago... Again, fell free to check it out...

Instant guide Italian Atheist Forum (http://"https://atei.forumattivo.com/t2360-piccolo-manuale-per-l-uso-del-forum")

... don't get me wrong: I don't want to divert all of you to your colleague in my country, I just want to prove you I'm trying to persuade people like you since a long time ago, when nobody could suspect such a great mess like now.

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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
since a long time ago, when nobody could suspect such a great mess like now.
Awww, ain’t it cute? Since he is experiencing a pandemic, he thinks it has never happened before.🙄
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 01:11:50 PM
If by “incontrovertible” you actually mean bullshit, then you are correct. Your “facts” are as much bullshit as your babble.



Go to this Wikipedia English list:

2019–20 coronavirus pandemic by country and territory (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic_by_country_and_territory")

... go 2/3 pages down, till the title "Pandemic by country and territory", in the list in the right, order the  list clicking on the column "Deaths", then evaluate the number of deaths of...

(https://i.ibb.co/hXNWtRh/Covid19-Tabella-Morti-Mondiale.png) (https://ibb.co/9w0TC9z)


Mexico                      (116 million inhabitants)
United States            (330 million inhabitants)

... and many others poor country, with a large population. Compare their deaths with deaths in West Opulent Countries.

Is there somebody keen in statistic out there? Is there anyone able to draw a chart with:

x= Revenue pro capita (in dollars)
y= Number Covid-19 deaths pro capita

... where you dot the chart with all the countries in this Planet?

Thank you very much indeed.


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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:19:01 PM
Your lies were:
Innocent babies haven’t died, black people in poor countries haven’t died and poor immigrants in western countries haven’t died. All lies. You are a liar, and as such everything out of your fingers is to be considered a lie.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 01:27:19 PM
Let's start with your wonderful, fanciful, and fictional jesus.  He is not a real person.  He is a fiction.  Can you show me the error of my ways?  Offer me some kind of evidence that he did exist, except in the minds of his creators.  You can't offer me any writer who was a witness of this supposed person/creature/fiction, because none wrote about him.  And no, the bible does not count.  And even in the bible, starting with the earliest writer, Paul, he wrote his first 'book' in the 50's, and the other authors of the NT are unknown and their material was written starting in the 70's.


Stop. I have enough. You go into my ignore list. You are not listening to me, you have your certainly to keep till the End. I am sure you are in this number:


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I have not time to waste with you. Bye.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:32:03 PM

Stop. I have enough. You go into my ignore list.

Oh noooes,,,oh nooses, I made the liars iggy list.....oh noes!🤣
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 01:34:17 PM
Oh noooes,,,oh nooses, I made the liars iggy list.....oh noes!🤣
Can you explain me, in this forum, how it is possible to add a user to 'ignore list'...?

Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:34:30 PM
Liars, when presented the truth, tend to call the truth a lie.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:35:34 PM
Can you explain me, in this forum, how it is possible to add a user to 'ignore list'...?


Ask Jesus, he’s almost real.🙄
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:37:12 PM
Can you explain me, in this forum, how it is possible to add a user to 'ignore list'...?


When you pray believing, you can tell a mountain to move and it will.....let’s see how you do with a simple ignore button.🙄
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 02:54:47 PM
Your lies were:
Innocent babies haven’t died, black people in poor countries haven’t died and poor immigrants in western countries haven’t died. All lies. You are a liar, and as such everything out of your fingers is to be considered a lie.



Or my English is very poor, or your intellect is very poor...

"Tertium non datur"

You are saying the same I do. I said that the Covid-19 Virus is, now, world widespread: anywhere. But, pro capita, in poor countries the men who die are incredibly low. They are low in poor, with lacking health system of Black Africa, in Philippine, in Mexico, in Peru, and in all the neglected sides of this Planet.

With this Virus, He is paying back us with the same coin. Why...?

(https://stateofmind13.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/aylan-kurdi-f.jpg?w=600)

... because we have turned our head to so many injustice, and towards so many our brothers and sisters who where in need or in danger...


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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 03:01:26 PM
Move the goal posts. Gotcha. Still makes you a liar.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 05:52:23 PM
The picture of the little boy, who died because his father took too much risk to get better dental work in Europe ... low brow.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Mike Cl on April 12, 2020, 06:00:19 PM

Stop. I have enough. You go into my ignore list. You are not listening to me, you have your certainly to keep till the End. I am sure you are in this number:


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I have not time to waste with you. Bye.
Like every other theist/christian/liar you simply put your head up your butt and holler stop, stop.  Pathetic is too nice a word.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Shiranu on April 12, 2020, 08:13:00 PM
Oof
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 08:59:03 PM
The picture of the little boy, who died because his father took too much risk to get better dental work in Europe ... low brow.


There are also impetuous fathers looking for a good dentist in the States...

Family of girl and dad who drowned trying to reach U.S.: "He always protected her" (http://"https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/25/photo-drowned-migrant-daughter-rio-grande-us-mexico-border")

(https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Oscar-Alberto-Martinez-Ramirez.jpeg)

"... The mother of a Salvadoran migrant who drowned alongside his 23-month-old daughter while trying to cross into the United States said the man “loved his daughter so much” and was seeking a better life for his family.
Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez and his daughter Valeria died while trying to cross the Rio Grande on Sunday, their deaths captured by a horrific and haunting image that sparked outrage.
The father and daughter lie face down in the water on the bank of the Rio Grande in Matamoros, Mexico, Valeria tucked inside her father’s shirt with her tiny arm wrapped around his neck. ..."
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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Shiranu on April 12, 2020, 08:59:44 PM
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This virus does not kill innocent babies

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/)

I guess that was probably just a guilty baby.

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This virus does not kill the poor Black Men in the poorest countries of Africa

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/830209940/10-000-cases-and-500-deaths-in-africa-health-officials-say-its-just-the-beginnin (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/08/830209940/10-000-cases-and-500-deaths-in-africa-health-officials-say-its-just-the-beginnin)

500+ deaths in Africa, but you also have to remember several key factors...

- Africa is still in it's first stages of having the virus. The curve starts low and remains that way for awhile before exponentially rising.
- In impoverished regions, they do not have the required equipment to test or diagnose those sick with the Coronavirus which keeps the numbers low.
- Additionally in impoverished countries, many of them simply don't have the governance to keep track of statistics like that while also dealing with a horrendous pandemic.

Also keep in mind that East Africa is currently going through it's largest locust swarms in over 50 years, and because of shut down international trade they are realistically looking at a swarm that could destroy a crop that feeds hundreds of millions of people. So maybe God just decided to punish them with starvation and locust rather than the virus.

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This virus does not kill the poor immigrants living in the richest West countries

At least here in the United States, minorities are heavily disproportionately being effected by the health effects of the virus, and likely that number is even higher as immigrants are scared to seek treatment over fear of being deported.

Even if it doesn't kill them, unemployment has heavily hit the working poor, many of whom are immigrants and they will lose most if not all they have worked for.
 
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This virus is killing those countries that have been egoist and ruthless towards refugees

Wrong again, Bob.

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Canada and United States have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths in Canada, why it is a hecatomb in USA?

Canadians have much better access to health services, testing and quarantining was done much quicker and on a larger scale in Canada, and in general Canadians have a much higher standard of living than Americans which means far fewer underlying conditions.

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Germany and France have the same social and economical strength: why they have so few deaths  in Germany, why it is a hecatomb in France?

I don't know the exact reasoning for this one (though I know France has higher socio-economic divides, often racial, than your average European country so I would wager that is a large part of it)... but I do know, at least initially, Germany's infected were predominately younger citizens who have a higher chance of survival than the elderly.

Your god theory doesn't really hold up, and in fact undermines and ignores that the "poor people" you are pretending to care about are suffering far worse than the wealthy are. Do you think God would be particularly happy about that?
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 12, 2020, 09:47:26 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/six-week-old-baby-dies-coronavirus-believed-to-be-youngest-fatality/)

I guess that was probably just a guilty baby.

You have to read better the article you link to me...

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... On Monday, Chicago reported what is believed to be the first infant to die from the virus. Illinois Department of Public Health Director Dr. Ngozi Ezike said in a press release announcing the death that "there has never before been a death associated with COVID-19 in an infant."   ...

... they are not sure the baby has died for Covid-19. The baby has died with Covid-19. And, anyway, they had never before a death accocieted with the Virus. Today about 800 people died just in New York.

_________________________________________________________________


500+ deaths in Africa, but you also have to remember several key factors...

- Africa is still in it's first stages of having the virus. The curve starts low and remains that way for awhile before exponentially rising.
- In impoverished regions, they do not have the required equipment to test or diagnose those sick with the Coronavirus which keeps the numbers low.
- Additionally in impoverished countries, many of them simply don't have the governance to keep track of statistics like that while also dealing with a horrendous pandemic.

Also keep in mind that East Africa is currently going through it's largest locust swarms in over 50 years, and because of shut down international trade they are realistically looking at a swarm that could destroy a crop that feeds hundreds of millions of people. So maybe God just decided to punish them with starvation and locust rather than the virus.
...

Right now, in Lagos, the capital of Nigeria, all the people are afraid for the Pandemic, but nobody die. Nigeria is a over populated country, with a lot of interest and workers form China till yesterday afternoon. In Lagos, right now, you should have (at least) 800 deaths as in New York. May be more.

No, we are talking of the victims of Covid-19. The victims of Starvation and Locus are caused by me and you, that we have turn the other side our face, and we have not sent money to eliminate that Starvation (just few dollars/euros would be sufficient) or equipment to stop locusts. Those deaths are just ours.

And we are going to pay for them. 


At least here in the United States, minorities are heavily disproportionately being effected by the health effects of the virus, and likely that number is even higher as immigrants are scared to seek treatment over fear of being deported.
Even if it doesn't kill them, unemployment has heavily hit the working poor, many of whom are immigrants and they will lose most if not all they have worked for.
We have a lot of immigrant also here, in my country, Italy. This Virus is not touching them. Look better your charts and your number: you will realize the Virus is not touching even yours poor immigrants
 

Canadians have much better access to health services, testing and quarantining was done much quicker and on a larger scale in Canada, and in general Canadians have a much higher standard of living than Americans which means far fewer underlying conditions.
They taught me United States of America is the richest country on Earth. Or one of the richer. You have been on the Moon, not Canadians. But the deaths charts have some inexplicable  incongruity (I mean deaths 'pro capita')


I don't know the exact reasoning for this one (though I know France has higher socio-economic divides, often racial, than your average European country so I would wager that is a large part of it)... but I do know, at least initially, Germany's infected were predominately younger citizens who have a higher chance of survival than the elderly.
I explain you better: Germany has welcomed almost all the millions refugees escaping form Yugoslavia '90 war. Angela Merkel, watching the Alan Kurdi  bady laying on the sand of Turkey, she decided to open her border to more them 1,5 milion of refugees coming form Syria. And, somehow, she worked to transferred several billions of euros to cover cost of refugee camps in south Turkey. 

Germany is having few deaths as Germany deserve it.   


Redde rationem
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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Shiranu on April 12, 2020, 10:41:27 PM
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You will get what you give.


On this, you are absolutely correct. You have given us nothing, so you shale receive nothing in return.






You have explicitly stated that you have come here to proselytize, which is a violation of our forum rules. On top of that you say you have been doing that for over 15 years across multiple forums, which indicates a very blatant disrespect not just towards us but to other members of our global community.

It is very hard to believe you have any good faith intentions given that. But I will offer one more chance...



You are the one making an extremely bold claim that the Coronavirus, despite everything virology has taught us over the last 120-some years, is capable of only infecting people who God has deemed guilty while leaving the "innocent" alone. This is simply incorrect, but not only that it is both medically dangerous rhetoric and also implies that the millions upon millions suffering, in one way or another, because of this virus are doing so because your God believes they deserve it.


That requires evidence, and considering you are justifying the suffering of millions of human beings... that requires some really fucking good evidence.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm)


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Among 149,082 (99.6%) reported cases for which age was known, 2,572 (1.7%) were among children aged <18 years. Data were available for a small proportion of patients on many important variables, including symptoms (9.4%), underlying conditions (13%), and hospitalization status (33%). Among those with available information, 73% of pediatric patients had symptoms of fever, cough, or shortness of breath compared with 93% of adults aged 18–64 years during the same period; 5.7% of all pediatric patients, or 20% of those for whom hospitalization status was known, were hospitalized, lower than the percentages hospitalized among all adults aged 18–64 years (10%) or those with known hospitalization status (33%). Three deaths were reported among the pediatric cases included in this analysis.


That is just the U.S.'s numbers on pediatric cases of Coronavirus, which doesn't take into account that it is 2 weeks old as well as many states still are not properly able to test their patients.


Louisiana, one of our hardest hit states per capita, has overwhelming number of African Americans, the working poor, suffering from this virus.


http://ldh.la.gov/Coronavirus/ (http://ldh.la.gov/Coronavirus/)


Of the 840 deaths reported in Louisiana, 70.48% of the victims were African Americans despite them making up only 32% of the population.

This number is repeated across the United States, with African Americans and Latinos having significantly disproportionate rates of fatalities to the Coronavirus; and as stated before that is amongst a community that is reluctant to seek medical attention because of fears of deportation as well as lack of access to medical facilities and testing centers.


The working poor of America, and particularly the colored working poor, are being hit hard by this virus. Therefor the only thing I can conclude is that God hates blacks and browns and blames them for the sins of the world more than he does whites, otherwise would he be punishing them so much more?

And that's just with the virus and not taking into account the economic damage it has caused to our minority communities, economic damage that is significantly worse than it has been for white Americans.

Does God hate minorities then... or when he sent this plague to punish us did he not realise that it would hurt the poor more than it would hurt the rich?
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 13, 2020, 07:17:20 AM
You have explicitly stated that you have come here to proselytize, which is a violation of our forum rules. On top of that you say you have been doing that for over 15 years across multiple forums, which indicates a very blatant disrespect not just towards us but to other members of our global community(1).
It is very hard to believe you have any good faith intentions given that. But I will offer one more chance...

Ave Imperator, morituri te salutant (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Imperator,_morituri_te_salutant")


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1) This is not to disrespect the Global Community. This is to say the True, just the True, nothing else than True. If you don't like the True, that's your businesses, and that's your fault. And that is to prove guilty to those ones, since a long time ago, they have heart my words, and they had always had fun of me.

If you want to ban me and, doing so, you impede your members to read my words, you are free to do it. But that will be just another foulness you add to all you did till today. And you will pay it.

I am not here to persuade you. There is no time. I am here to alert you. And I say you (all) a preventative good bye.



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Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 13, 2020, 11:27:29 AM
well....that was easy. Now remember, you said you were leaving, don't start lying again.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 13, 2020, 11:42:36 AM

This is the worst nightmare coming true ...



Patients who have recovered from the killer coronavirus can get the SARS-like infection AGAIN, Chinese doctor claims (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7973905/Patients-recovered-killer-coronavirus-infected-AGAIN.html)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/02/06/12/24392962-7973905-image-a-2_1580993690713.jpg)

"...  Patients who recover from China's deadly coronavirus are at risk or relapsing or catching it again, a doctor working in the outbreak has warned.
One of the riskiest elements of the coronavirus is that people have no immunity to it because it's completely new.
And although the body is able to become partly immune to some viruses – like flu – or almost completely immune to others – like chickenpox – reinfections do happen.
The coronavirus gripping China's Hubei province is no exception, according to a doctor in the country's health commission.
Dr Zhan Qingyuan said there is a 'likelihood of relapse' for patients who have recovered from the coronavirus.
More than 28,000 people have caught the infection this month and 565 have now died because of it, with nearly all of the cases and deaths happening in China..."


This is not a Virus. It is more similar to the ...

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Myth of Sisyphus (http://"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisyphus")

... this pestilence will never end. The virus has the same Hepatitis 'C' behavior, you get ill, you recover, you get in touch again with it, and you get ill again. No antibody. This is not an illness. This is more similar to a...

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0jDhhB3BB4U/maxresdefault.jpg) 

... infernal bolgia. A foretest fo what is approaching us.



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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7973905/Patients-recovered-killer-coronavirus-infected-AGAIN.html

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/02/19/coronavirus-after-2000-deaths-can-you-get-virus-again/4804905002/

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-risk-of-reinfection-2020-2?IR=T

https://futurism.com/neoscope/scientists-warn-coronavirus-more-than-once



Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Holubice on April 13, 2020, 11:58:42 AM
well....that was easy. Now remember, you said you were leaving, don't start lying again.


I will stay till the day you will kick me off.

I do the same in several places, in different countries, wherever I can. It's a strenuous effort. I am not here to mock you. I take it tremendous seriously. This is the assignment you have to help me to achieve



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You must help me to speed up His coming back.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2020, 12:17:57 PM
I will stay till the day you will kick me off.
Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Mike Cl on April 13, 2020, 12:43:02 PM

I will stay till the day you will kick me off.

I do the same in several places, in different countries, wherever I can. It's a strenuous effort. I am not here to mock you. I take it tremendous seriously. This is the assignment you have to help me to achieve


You must help me to speed up His coming back.
Let's see-His??  Must be Pacos Bill...............or Paul Bunyan......no, must be Johnny Appleseed---yeah, that's it.  Who couldn't use a good apple every now and again??
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Shiranu on April 13, 2020, 01:40:09 PM
Let's see-His??  Must be Pacos Bill...............or Paul Bunyan......no, must be Johnny Appleseed---yeah, that's it.  Who couldn't use a good apple every now and again??

I don't think he will be able to see this. Sorry, I should have asked if everyone was done with him before I pulled the trigger.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
I don't think he will be able to see this. Sorry, I should have asked if everyone was done with him before I pulled the trigger.

He seems to clearly be a troll ;-(
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: aitm on April 13, 2020, 04:42:41 PM
I don't think he will be able to see this. Sorry, I should have asked if everyone was done with him before I pulled the trigger.

Ya beat me to it. Yeah, not much promise with that nut.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Mike Cl on April 13, 2020, 05:18:14 PM
I don't think he will be able to see this. Sorry, I should have asked if everyone was done with him before I pulled the trigger.
Not a problem--a troll is a troll.  You did the right thing.
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on April 14, 2020, 05:19:16 AM
You mistakes in grammar and language are fine.  However, your reasoning concerns me.  I was raised and taught to believe in God, but as I got older, I started looking at it logically.  I decided Christianity and religion were nonsense at worst or just props to deal with reality.  Your NDE was a dream, and from that dream you interpreted a god.  Your personal anecdotes don't impress me.  Telling me you found God on an oxygen deprived brain of a near death experience is about the worst evidence you can begin this discussion with.

Your*
Title: Re: Pax et bonum from Holubice...
Post by: SGOS on April 14, 2020, 06:58:22 AM
Your*
"Your mistakes is fine."