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Title: All art is...?
Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 10:12:11 AM
Is reality on the surface of art? Is creating art like printing money?

All art is sublime.
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Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 10:39:14 AM
Is reality on the surface of art? Is creating art like printing money?

All art is sublime.

What is communication?  Art is communicating creativity.  From the artist's mind (mostly emotions) to your mind.  An artist is someone with both an ego and a scratch that has to be scratched.

"The theory of sublime art was put forward by Edmund Burke in A Philosophical Enquiry into the Origin of our Ideas of the Sublime and Beautiful published in 1757. He defined the sublime as an artistic effect productive of the strongest emotion the mind is capable of feeling."

This is why Jackson Pollock isn't an artist ;-)
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 11:35:14 AM
Abstract Expressionism is fractal heaven.
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Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 12:34:08 PM
Abstract Expressionism is fractal heaven.

Ugliness at all levels of magnification?
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Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 01:09:31 PM
Fractals are beautiful calculations.
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Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 01:51:43 PM
Fractals are beautiful calculations.

Not when done by monkeys spattering paint randomly.  Fractals still don't match reality, which is analog and random (like Jackson Pollock paintings).  We like some degree of order.  Classical = obvious order.  Fractal = subtle order.
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 02:10:40 PM
Pollock was in effect hardly random.
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Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 02:56:52 PM
Pollock was in effect hardly random.

Only if you believe in absolute determinism.  I do not.  With absolute determinism, there is nothing random.

Non-random local art ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandpainting#/media/File:Navajo_sandpainting.jpg
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 03:39:12 PM
Art is determined by the artist, it is not accidental.
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 04:05:25 PM
There is no such thing as chance in the world. - David Hume

His thinking is impeccable.
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Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 07:42:06 PM
Art is determined by the artist, it is not accidental.

No, art is only valuable after the starving artist has died ;-)
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Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 07:42:42 PM
There is no such thing as chance in the world. - David Hume

His thinking is impeccable.

You are making David Hume out to be G-d.  And here I thought he was Scottish ;-)
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Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 08:32:16 PM
Improvisation is learnt.
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Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 08:49:33 PM
Originality is just a new way of saying the same old thing. Therefore, when you say God, I think genius.
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Mike Cl on April 02, 2020, 09:00:39 PM
Originality is just a new way of saying the same old thing. Therefore, when you say God, I think genius.
When I hear "God" or "G_d" or any derivation of said word, I think scam or flim flam man.
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Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 09:41:59 PM
Improvisation is learnt.

Self taught, specifically.  A dramatization ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ciFTP_KRy4

Done while you watch ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvECZ_ZXGqs
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Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 11:10:20 PM
For Plato, darkness was the absence of God or genius.
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Post by: Gregory on April 02, 2020, 11:31:02 PM
I like Michelangelo's David but I like his Pieta better.
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Gregory on April 03, 2020, 12:44:26 AM
"Only from the heart can you touch the sky." - Rumi

Only from the mind are we grounded.
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Post by: Gregory on April 03, 2020, 01:16:22 AM
Art is what you do, not say.
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Post by: trdsf on April 03, 2020, 01:53:06 AM
Is creating art like printing money?
It is if you're J.S.G. Boggs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._S._G._Boggs).
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Post by: Baruch on April 03, 2020, 08:55:37 AM
Art is what you do, not say.

Cicero would disagree.
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Post by: Gregory on April 04, 2020, 03:52:37 PM
Art is a level above reality, and the rest is craft.
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Post by: trdsf on April 04, 2020, 04:00:00 PM
Art is a level above reality, and the rest is craft.
There is no level above reality.  Art is a novel way to look at reality.
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Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2020, 04:19:39 PM
There is no level above reality.  Art is a novel way to look at reality.

There is no metaphysics.  Music is just random notes that stupid people impute beauty/ugliness to.
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 11:39:49 AM
"Beethoven's music is Beethoven speaking to God. Mozart's music is God speaking to Mozart." - Anonymous
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Post by: Gregory on April 06, 2020, 12:01:50 AM
Philosophy is the enemy of art.
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:38:38 AM
Philosophy is the enemy of art.

Yes, it is overthinking.  Art is primarily EQ, not IQ.
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Post by: Gregory on April 06, 2020, 01:06:23 AM
Art can be emotive but never sentimental.
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Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:21:33 PM
Art can be emotive but never sentimental.

Good art maybe shouldn't be sentimental, or is that just being misogynist?
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Post by: Mike Cl on April 06, 2020, 12:23:41 PM
Art can be emotive but never sentimental.
Where do you get these stupid statements from????  Why can't art be sentimental??? Of course it can be.  Art is totally a personal thing--you cannot dictate to me what it is or is not.
Title: Re: All art is...?
Post by: Gregory on April 06, 2020, 02:37:01 PM
What is truth but power. The truth of art is in seizing the moment.
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Post by: Mike Cl on April 06, 2020, 08:31:48 PM
What is truth but power. The truth of art is in seizing the moment.
If I were to seize the moment, I'd be arrested; that's a pretty valuable painting.
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Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 10:36:31 PM
What is truth but power. The truth of art is in seizing the moment.

Maoist realism.  Truth comes from the barrel of a gun - Mao Tse Tung