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Title: The last invention: AI
Post by: SoldierofFortune on March 18, 2020, 06:32:13 AM
AI, especially which is merged with the organic brain, may be the last invention they have made.

Think about it: An organic brain, its genom is selected to be the most intelligent, and it can access and download all of the internet.

Taking into account that a person is born not naturally by reproducing the two gender, its genetic material is chosen in medical machines for him to be the most intelligent human being.

And he can access and download the internet, he or it? adds value to what it knows... IT is the last invention to be made.

SO, the last generations of the humankind can use the output he puts : )
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Hydra009 on March 18, 2020, 06:55:13 AM
An organic brain, its genom is selected to be the most intelligent
*chuckles in binary*

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/abfdc474c4bcdd6cb9a189fa60e345e5/tumblr_oiku1gAhtr1tu4c7to1_400.gif)

And technically, time travel is the final invention, since it allows access to all over inventions.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: SoldierofFortune on March 18, 2020, 07:15:49 AM
*chuckles in binary*

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/abfdc474c4bcdd6cb9a189fa60e345e5/tumblr_oiku1gAhtr1tu4c7to1_400.gif)

And technically, time travel is the final invention, since it allows access to all over inventions.

What being can invent time travel? A human as we know it or a human with its brain can access and download the internet...

I have said before, an accumulation wisdom and knowledge of an organic human brain as we know it; with it can have the vast knowledge and the ability to assess the wisdom and knowledge, with almost infinite calculation and thought power.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 08:57:38 AM
Most sci-fi is a marketing scam.  Did you make a mint on Jar-Jar Binks action figures?  Much of current technical projection is sci-fi.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: aitm on March 18, 2020, 10:15:52 AM
Thinking of sci-fi is nice enough....has lead to some minor discoveries. I think it would be more fun to give ten thousand peeps unlimited resources to just "wing it"...you know......plug this thingy in over here.....connect that thingamabob to this...take off the microwave door and jerry the switch....maybe toss some uranium in a oven.....you know...good ole fashion inventin shit!

Not only would we have 10000 ways that shit didn't work out but 10,000 less sci-fi nuts....
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: SoldierofFortune on March 18, 2020, 10:24:17 AM
Thinking of sci-fi is nice enough....has lead to some minor discoveries. I think it would be more fun to give ten thousand peeps unlimited resources to just "wing it"...you know......plug this thingy in over here.....connect that thingamabob to this...take off the microwave door and jerry the switch....maybe toss some uranium in a oven.....you know...good ole fashion inventin shit!

Not only would we have 10000 ways that shit didn't work out but 10,000 less sci-fi nuts....

Wish you and Baruch were right, but unfortunately you are not young enough to appreciate the revolutionary days we are undergoing.
And I know that at the degree to be of certain that you misunderstood, and you even do not understand what it is which is waiting for us, they are projecting and planning, the humanity 2.0...

This is not science fiction, every science prospect is a fiction of course.

In the past they made films about what they did; not they are makin' movies about what in near future are in front of us.

Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: aitm on March 18, 2020, 11:47:53 AM
The idea that the most intelligent human is the best human cannot be proven. Pure speculation would suggest otherwise. The smartest minds know that with a fixed food source and an unlimited need, the fix is to limit the need. Even cut back on the need. Eradicate some of the need. Balance the system for the betterment of the masses......some gotta go man.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: SoldierofFortune on March 18, 2020, 12:31:34 PM
The idea that the most intelligent human is the best human cannot be proven. Pure speculation would suggest otherwise. The smartest minds know that with a fixed food source and an unlimited need, the fix is to limit the need. Even cut back on the need. Eradicate some of the need. Balance the system for the betterment of the masses......some gotta go man.

I think i could not express what i want to mean:

There is no longer need for two people fockin' to reproduce. The genetics scientists by playing the gene chains make up a baby's phenotipical and genotypical features as they wish. So they can make up the most intelligent babies.

AND think about the brain implants the scientists insert the most intelligent babies' brain to link their brain to the 'net. All the information these babies can access and assess to make the inventions we just cannot understand. It's a symbiosis. Machine-brain symbiosis. And the humanities near or far away future lies in there.

So we are the pets to them.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: SoldierofFortune on March 18, 2020, 12:32:22 PM
I do not know if i can tell with my very resticted knowledge.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 12:33:28 PM
Thinking of sci-fi is nice enough....has lead to some minor discoveries. I think it would be more fun to give ten thousand peeps unlimited resources to just "wing it"...you know......plug this thingy in over here.....connect that thingamabob to this...take off the microwave door and jerry the switch....maybe toss some uranium in a oven.....you know...good ole fashion inventin shit!

Not only would we have 10000 ways that shit didn't work out but 10,000 less sci-fi nuts....

Is that you, Thomas Alva?
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
I think i could not express what i want to mean:

There is no longer need for two people fockin' to reproduce. The genetics scientists by playing the gene chains make up a baby's phenotipical and genotypical features as they wish. So they can make up the most intelligent babies.

AND think about the brain implants the scientists insert the most intelligent babies' brain to link their brain to the 'net. All the information these babies can access and assess to make the inventions we just cannot understand. It's a symbiosis. Machine-brain symbiosis. And the humanities near or far away future lies in there.

So we are the pets to them.

The Feminists are planning artificial sperm, then you and I can be eradicated ;-(  Women aren't attracted to robotics.  Stepford Wives and all.

Don't worry, the nanobots will recycle us ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_goo
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 12:35:45 PM
I do not know if i can tell with my very resticted knowledge.

You do much better in English than I do in Turkish ... so cheers!
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Sal1981 on April 26, 2020, 11:29:27 AM
https://towardsdatascience.com/deepmind-the-existence-proof-for-rl-at-scale-8707791d9762

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Brains are the existence proof that AI can be made, much like birds were the existence proof to flight.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on April 26, 2020, 12:31:53 PM
Wish you and Baruch were right, but unfortunately you are not young enough to appreciate the revolutionary days we are undergoing.
And I know that at the degree to be of certain that you misunderstood, and you even do not understand what it is which is waiting for us, they are projecting and planning, the humanity 2.0...

This is not science fiction, every science prospect is a fiction of course.

In the past they made films about what they did; not they are makin' movies about what in near future are in front of us.

Revolutionary days?  When totalitarian dictators use the latest human killing technology?  Tesla cars are an expensive way to kill "woke" consumers.

If there is a Humanity 2.0, it is like Logan's Run.  A secret Elite, with genetically modified deplorables (England experimenting for years with human-sheep genome mix).  How is the proletariat turned into a semi-animal sub-species ... progress?
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on April 26, 2020, 12:34:27 PM
https://towardsdatascience.com/deepmind-the-existence-proof-for-rl-at-scale-8707791d9762

The problem with deep neural nets is that it can't explain why it does what it does (anymore than your raw brain matter can explain why you like tacos).  As with Google and MS experiments ... you can make a human-like I/F that fools deplorables, ever since the 60s with Eliza, but it is a mockery of humanity.  Intelligence lies in not only doing difficult mental tasks, but being able to explain why.  Sometimes even professors can't do that.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:30:53 PM
"Driver Using "Autopilot"-Technology Criminally-Charged After Collision" ... funny how technical progress fans forget that laws, liability and lawyers exist.  Thinking that Elon Musk et all or the programmer will pay for this, is delusional.  This is exactly why I turned against AI in 2005, because the question of liability for the results of program execution was ... ignored.  Usually in the US, a technical person is protected from liability, like any other Nazi, because they are part of a corporation and "were only following orders".  Unless you disobey orders, then the corporation will throw you to the wolves.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Sal1981 on July 08, 2020, 12:39:38 PM
Elon Musk is a hack and steals ideas from other engineers and researchers.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
Elon Musk is a hack and steals ideas from other engineers and researchers.

Like any other business executive.  When an engineer or programmer, I didn't own it or make it, the corporation owns it and made it.

Him in particular, he is a bit unstable mentally.  Too much brains, too small a head?
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Sal1981 on July 08, 2020, 12:44:56 PM
Like any other business executive.  When an engineer or programmer, I didn't own it or make it, the corporation owns it and made it.

Him in particular, he is a bit unstable mentally.  Too much brains, too small a head?
I speculate that he's hiding his power level, politically and overall ideologically. Which I suspect isn't all the surprising when you read up on the guy.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 12:52:32 PM
I speculate that he's hiding his power level, politically and overall ideologically. Which I suspect isn't all the surprising when you read up on the guy.

He is a Saiyan?  Hope he isn't Majin Boo!  I hate that guy!!
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Sal1981 on July 08, 2020, 01:15:49 PM
He is a Saiyan?  Hope he isn't Majin Boo!  I hate that guy!!
It's a silly meme about having a hidden agenda.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2020, 02:13:54 PM
It's a silly meme about having a hidden agenda.

There are always two agendas.  The fake public one and the real hidden one.  Paranoids agree on this ;-)
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Sal1981 on July 09, 2020, 11:49:57 AM
There are always two agendas.  The fake public one and the real hidden one.  Paranoids agree on this ;-)
Can any authentic people please stand up? No? Then I have an ideology on last minute sale, just for you.

Don't be informed about AI by clickbait from the MSM. Check out computer scientists with YouTube channels (yes, unironically) to be better informed about it. I suggest Robert Miles to start out:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLB7AzTwc6VFZrBsO2ucBMg (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLB7AzTwc6VFZrBsO2ucBMg)
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2020, 12:21:21 PM
I don't blame Journalists for technical hype.  They are doing what they are paid for, and they aren't even English majors ;-)
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 15, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
"German Court Rules Tesla Autopilot Claims Are "Misleading Business Practices" And Can't Be Used For Advertising" ... claiming AI autopilot can drive for you unassisted is false advertising.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 16, 2020, 12:36:38 PM
You know, I'm not sure why people assume ai will lead to mankind's extermination. I don't question it in amusement media. But does intelligence itself entail hostility? Self preservation? The need to conquer? The drive to reproduce? The idea of superiority?
Are these concepts intrinsically linked to intelligence? Or are they merely different traits we exhibit alongside the trait of a modicum of intelligence? Indeed did not these traits, at least all but the latter, predate intelligence? Why would an ai without these traits desire to replace humanity? Or even defend itself?
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 16, 2020, 12:51:05 PM
You know, I'm not sure why people assume ai will lead to mankind's extermination. I don't question it in amusement media. But does intelligence itself entail hostility? Self preservation? The need to conquer? The drive to reproduce? The idea of superiority?
Are these concepts intrinsically linked to intelligence? Or are they merely different traits we exhibit alongside the trait of a modicum of intelligence? Indeed did not these traits, at least all but the latter, predate intelligence? Why would an ai without these traits desire to replace humanity? Or even defend itself?

Karl Marx believed that the steam engine would lead to utopia.  Stupid grifter finance people hope to make 200% on their investments, trying to invest in the next McDonalds.  I was in AAAI (American Association of Artificial Intelligence) in the mid 80s, until I found out it was a marketing scam.  It still is.  Technology comes along, some of it useful (not in-line roller skates).  It is helpful, if it is a software gimmick, to call it AI.  So what is called AI has changed continuously since the 1950s.  Academics grifted on this until the mid-80s when the hype went commercial.  That is when the academic scam became a government scam (AI will revolutionize warfare).

Originally chess playing algorithms  were called AI, because only smart people play chess ;-)  Saint Alan Turing started this crap during his mental decline, wanted to make the first chess playing computer.  Today that is trivially available, not called AI at all.  The best chess playing system (Deep Blue in 1997) doesn't analyze the chess board like a human chess master.  Deep Blue uses fast blind search.  I remember there being hand held toys that played chess in the 80s.  They are available for $40 each now.  On that basis, globalist Elite want to achieve the Capitalist version of Marxism (no employees).

The current fad is deep level neural nets (aka ML aka Machine Learning).  Better than the crap from the 90s (not deep enough then).  It does work to "recognize" letters optically (OCR), for auto conversion of written documents into computer text.  But it has no intelligence, it is simply a "conditioned" pattern recognition system, that works if you put lots of the right training data into it, and don't challenge it with letters from a different writing system (English trained neural net won't OCR Chinese).

Another current fad is quantum computing.  Because quantum mechanics is mysterious (at least to business majors).  One billion dollars of research has gone into it, but the current champion, D-Wave, is challenged as not being a real quantum computer at all, but a specialized analog computer that may not actually be manifesting unique quantum effects.  So of course, the grifters now are marketing Quantum Computing + Machine Learning.  General purpose quantum computers are available, but only for trivial projects.  Research physics is ongoing, and quite challenging, so as a research program only, it is a success for academics.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2020, 12:13:42 PM
"Tesla In Switzerland Veers Off Road, Gets Stuck On Train Tracks, Before Needing To Be Removed By Crane" ... Elon Musk is the ultimate commercial AI grifter.  He is not a genius, just a pot smoker who dreams of a Mars colony for John Galt.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Mr.Obvious on July 23, 2020, 12:53:44 PM
"Tesla In Switzerland Veers Off Road, Gets Stuck On Train Tracks, Before Needing To Be Removed By Crane" ... Elon Musk is the ultimate commercial AI grifter.  He is not a genius, just a pot smoker who dreams of a Mars colony for John Galt.

He can be both.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Sal1981 on July 23, 2020, 01:22:00 PM
You know, I'm not sure why people assume ai will lead to mankind's extermination. I don't question it in amusement media. But does intelligence itself entail hostility? Self preservation? The need to conquer? The drive to reproduce? The idea of superiority?
Are these concepts intrinsically linked to intelligence? Or are they merely different traits we exhibit alongside the trait of a modicum of intelligence? Indeed did not these traits, at least all but the latter, predate intelligence? Why would an ai without these traits desire to replace humanity? Or even defend itself?
I blame scifi movies drenched in anthropomorphic depictions of AI. Every movie and show I've seen does this error. I can't even think if of a movie or show that hasn't done this infusion.

An intelligence not rife with human "values" and predispositions will think very differently from us. Kurzgesagt recently made an excellent topical vid on intelligence laying out the main modules of it and how it operates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck4RGeoHFko
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2020, 05:39:08 PM
Already happened, Tay, the Nazi chatbot that Microsoft created at Berchetsgaden.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Hydra009 on July 23, 2020, 05:49:56 PM
You know, I'm not sure why people assume ai will lead to mankind's extermination. I don't question it in amusement media. But does intelligence itself entail hostility? Self preservation? The need to conquer? The drive to reproduce? The idea of superiority?
Are these concepts intrinsically linked to intelligence? Or are they merely different traits we exhibit alongside the trait of a modicum of intelligence? Indeed did not these traits, at least all but the latter, predate intelligence? Why would an ai without these traits desire to replace humanity? Or even defend itself?
Human history is filled with the extermination of less intelligent/sapient species (including the rest of our genus) and the enslavement of less technologically advanced peoples in our own species.  They likely see a trend and assume that any improvement over baseline humanity (be it AI or transhumans or aliens) will follow that same pattern.

But this argument relies on the dubious assumption that AI would operate on a basically human psychology - that it would desire to conquer or destroy competitors.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Mr.Obvious on October 01, 2020, 03:06:53 PM
But this argument relies on the dubious assumption that AI would operate on a basically human psychology - that it would desire to conquer or destroy competitors.

Because we define ourselves by our intelligence, we find that it must be that intelligence is defined by what makes us; us
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2020, 03:22:06 PM
Because we define ourselves by our intelligence, we find that it must be that intelligence is defined by what makes us; us

Drunk psychopaths?  That is a good look for androids ;-(
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Hydra009 on October 01, 2020, 03:38:45 PM
Because we define ourselves by our intelligence, we find that it must be that intelligence is defined by what makes us; us
That sounds like a tautology, but I'm not sure fully understand what you're saying.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Mr.Obvious on October 01, 2020, 03:49:02 PM
That sounds like a tautology, but I'm not sure fully understand what you're saying.

I'm not saying it's a correct thought, but rather a predominant assumption
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on October 01, 2020, 03:49:54 PM
That sounds like a tautology, but I'm not sure fully understand what you're saying.

Recursion is a fundamental idea in math and computer science.  Consciousness has been described as a kind of recursion, the self being what is left after you observe yourself observing yourself etc.  It can be argued that given human behavior, we are mostly unconscious even when awake (on autopilot) ... hence the false idea we only use 10% of our brain.  Actually the other 90% is doing actual important work, it is consciousness that is basically neural masturbation ;-)
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on October 13, 2020, 10:47:12 AM
"The World's First Fully Driverless Vehicle Ready To Hit The Roads" ... we already had the equal, Telsa with drunk driver or Tesla with driver asleep.  The cops will have a hard time flagging this one down.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on October 16, 2020, 11:42:05 AM
"Giant Chinese Crypto Exchange OkEX Suspends Withdrawals After Police Investigation" ... all your Bitcoin belong to China

"UK Grid Warns Of Electricity Shortage Due To Drop In Wind" ... full Green economy is unstable,  gotta have some nuclear etc to provide a base level for the power grid.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on October 24, 2020, 03:42:27 PM
"Tesla Warns Its Full Self-Driving Beta "May Do The Wrong Thing At The Worst Time"" .. Elon should be the test dummy in the cross walk!
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on October 26, 2020, 03:39:14 PM
""Holy Sh*t!": Videos Of Tesla's Full Self Driving Beta Are Surfacing And They're Frightening" .. but like MS software, it will always be in Beta, the users are the Beta testers
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on November 13, 2020, 02:17:46 PM
"Pope Francis Urges Catholics To Pray For 'Ethical Robots'" ... the Pope should be replaced with a smart phone app that says "My son/daughter your sins are forgiven" ;-)  This guy is a total communist.  AI is the 21st century version of Marxist economics.  A utopia where no one has to work, because the machines will do all the work (slavery without regret) ... until as in the original use of "robot" the robots rise up and kill the humans .. bwahah ... see the Czech play RUR.
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on November 17, 2020, 10:48:48 AM
"European Vega Rocket Suffers 'Major Failure', $400 Million In Satellites Destroyed" ... "SpaceX's Dragon autonomously docked with the International Space Station" ... once again, socialism wins, capitalism fails ... (cough)
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on November 23, 2020, 10:50:38 AM
Wingsuit plus electric fan propulsion ... can extend your flight longer ;-))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGhtJnK9ZWA&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: The last invention: AI
Post by: Baruch on November 24, 2020, 10:58:10 AM
"Joscha Bach: Artificial Consciousness and the Nature of Reality" on YouTube expresses the nerd view of reality very well, but you need a 3 hour attention span ;-)  Basically life and consciousness are explained in machine (biochemical/computational) terms.  Which pretty much matched Mahayana Buddhism (your identity is an illusion) ... but the very complicated chemical reaction that is "you" is real.  This is produced by the false memory of "I was me yesterday and today" and the false anticipation that you will be the same me tomorrow.