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Title: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Gregory on March 02, 2020, 08:09:37 PM
When logic is cruel, it's against common sense.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Sal1981 on March 03, 2020, 06:18:53 AM
Common sense is a myth.
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Post by: SGOS on March 03, 2020, 09:13:13 AM
When logic is cruel, it's against common sense.
I always cringe when I hear the phrase, "Lets think outside the box."  If not carried to an extreme it can be helpful at times, but logic is still necessary, and logic is a BOX.  A set for rules to test the validity of a claim.  It boxes us in, and some people hate that.  It limits their ability to make up shit.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 03, 2020, 09:49:57 AM
When logic is cruel, it's against common sense.

That's why we have ethnics
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Post by: Unbeliever on March 03, 2020, 01:27:21 PM
I always cringe when I hear the phrase, "Lets think outside the box."  If not carried to an extreme it can be helpful at times, but logic is still necessary, and logic is a BOX.  A set for rules to test the validity of a claim.  It boxes us in, and some people hate that.  It limits their ability to make up shit.

Many people "think outside the box" just because they have no idea what's in the box.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Baruch on March 03, 2020, 07:51:57 PM
Many people "think outside the box" just because they have no idea what's in the box.

Parable of the fool spooning water with a sieve.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Gregory on March 03, 2020, 11:18:07 PM
Common sense is a myth.

Logic is a delusion, what's the difference?
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Hydra009 on March 04, 2020, 12:25:23 AM
I always cringe when I hear the phrase, "Lets think outside the box."  If not carried to an extreme it can be helpful at times, but logic is still necessary, and logic is a BOX.  A set for rules to test the validity of a claim.  It boxes us in, and some people hate that.  It limits their ability to make up shit.
What they think they mean:  "maybe there's a creative, workable solution for this that we're just not seeing."

What they actually mean: "let's let our stupid ideas fly!"
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Gregory on March 04, 2020, 02:45:39 AM
That's why we have ethnics

Logic predominantly is ethics.
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Post by: Baruch on March 04, 2020, 06:50:05 AM
Logic is a delusion, what's the difference?

Logic, ala Mr Spock, is a fiction.  Real logic is no stronger than the axioms you start with.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Gregory on March 04, 2020, 09:00:20 PM
Logic, ala Mr Spock, is a fiction.  Real logic is no stronger than the axioms you start with.

If common sense is not logical, what need is there for logical thinking?
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Baruch on March 04, 2020, 11:27:14 PM
If common sense is not logical, what need is there for logical thinking?

It was explained above.  Among the intellectual elite, particularly logicians and mathematicians, logic builds consensus and helps you avoid mistakes.  The axioms act as a common anchor that the poindexters can unite behind.  Logic of a non-technical sort, like political oratory advocated by Cicero ... ultimately is a play on words, because the axioms are too fuzzy.  The first proper use of logic was Euclid.  Logic used in politics by Aristotle or the Greek Stoics, failed in the face of Macedonian pikes.
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Post by: Gregory on March 08, 2020, 04:54:13 AM
Evil is twisted logic.
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Post by: Baruch on March 08, 2020, 10:18:06 AM
Evil is twisted logic.

You don't need any rationality or not, for evil.  Evil is negative EQ.  Lack of sympathy and empathy.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Gregory on March 08, 2020, 09:51:58 PM
Without a brain, you have no heart.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Baruch on March 08, 2020, 09:52:30 PM
Without a brain, you have no heart.

Without a heart, you have no brain.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Gregory on March 08, 2020, 09:54:18 PM
Without a heart, you have no brain.

You are quite nonsensical at times.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 08:33:06 AM
You are quite nonsensical at times.

Reality is so absurd it is unreal.  Camus didn't go far enough.

When the sap flows ... the words write themselves.  Direct from my Id to your Super-conscience.
Title: Re: When logic is cruel...
Post by: SGOS on March 09, 2020, 09:50:43 AM
If common sense is not logical, what need is there for logical thinking?
Because common sense is not logical.  At best it's argumentum ad populum, which is a fallacy.