QuoteYoung people are growing less tolerant of LGBTQ individuals, a jarring turn for a generation traditionally considered embracing and open, a survey released Monday shows.
The number of Americans 18 to 34 who are comfortable interacting with LGBTQ people slipped from 53% in 2017 to 45% in 2018 â€" the only age group to show a decline, according to the annual Accelerating Acceptance report. And that is down from 63% in 2016.
Driving the dilution of acceptance are young women whose overall comfort levels plunged from 64% in 2017 to 52% in 2018, says the survey conducted by The Harris Poll on behalf of LGBTQ advocacy group GLAAD.
“We count on the narrative that young people are more progressive and tolerant,†John Gerzema, CEO of The Harris Poll, told USA TODAY. “These numbers are very alarming and signal a looming social crisis in discrimination.â€
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/24/lgbtq-acceptance-millennials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/24/lgbtq-acceptance-millennials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001/)
My theories for this:
1. The T. There are so many people who don't buy into the T and think it's a hoax.
2. This youth cohort is the most non-white in American history, non-whites generally have much less appetite for the alphabet soup. There's a reason why most murders of trans-identifying males is black on black.
If this is true, which I have doubts about, but if it is, I'd say it comes down to the overbearing toxic nature of certain progressives today, screaming about how everyone needs to be progressive and only think a certain way, and this causes the everyday young person to act in defiance since the messages are so heavy handed.
It's funny how the article talks about toxic culture, when that toxicity is as much part of forced progressivism as the anti-progressives. If you keep demanding everyone needs to accept certain social, sexual or even religious lifestyles or your labeled as an 'ist', then it's no wonder younger people get pissed off being told they are an 'ist' for not having those views 110%.
You need to integrate ideals into society slowly and productively, not forcing people to be a certain way.
At my age, I wouldn't presume to know why young people are less tolerant of LGBTQ people but I wouldn't expect tolerance to move only in one direction. History indicates that tolerance for LGBTQ people ebbs and flows.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 29, 2020, 03:53:56 AM
At my age, I wouldn't presume to know why young people are less tolerant of LGBTQ people but I wouldn't expect tolerance to move only in one direction. History indicates that tolerance for LGBTQ people ebbs and flows.
The ancient Greeks would agree. The idea of linear up hill progress is a conceit of the 18th century. I would also question any poll, since they are always politically motivated. How many 100,000 young people were interviewed today vs 20 years ago? Small sample bias.
Quote from: Baruch on February 29, 2020, 04:31:05 AM
I would also question any poll, since they are always politically motivated. How many 100,000 young people were interviewed today vs 20 years ago? Small sample bias.
Agreed. I saw that this was a Harris poll done specifically for GLAAD. One of the first questions one must ask when looking at a study or poll is "why was this conducted?"
Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 29, 2020, 04:40:08 AM
Agreed. I saw that this was a Harris poll done specifically for GLAAD. One of the first questions one must ask when looking at a study or poll is "why was this conducted?"
Millennials think that Gen Z is Republican (I doubt this) so Gen Z needs to be sent to reeducation camps to make them align better to their Millennial masters. Bwahaha … the Baby Boomers were so successful in brainwashing Gen X and the Millennials, right?
It doesn't particularly surprise me... It's something I've certainly noticed.
The new generation is dumb as fucking rocks, and I know it's not their fault but the education systems... My mom subs (after teaching for 26 years), and she has had entire classes of 8th graders who literally can't solve 2 times 2 or fifth /sixth graders who are borderline illiterate.
When you come from that background, it's not surprising you would be a bigot, that's pretty par for the course.
So much more sophisticated to be a snooty PhD.
In my experience, acceptance has significantly grown over the last decade for all members of the spectrum. Look at how damn many identify as non-binary (neither male or female), trans, queer, asexual, etc. now. The youth at UNLV didn't bat an eye at that when I was attending there. Compared to the "fun" I had over the last few decades, and I am amazed at how accepting youth have become.
Quote from: SvZurich on February 29, 2020, 09:59:36 PM
In my experience, acceptance has significantly grown over the last decade for all members of the spectrum. Look at how damn many identify as non-binary (neither male or female), trans, queer, asexual, etc. now. The youth at UNLV didn't bat an eye at that when I was attending there. Compared to the "fun" I had over the last few decades, and I am amazed at how accepting youth have become.
Oh my yes. Saying the youth support of sexual choices is fading is based on what? Let's say you can spot a slight change in direction in the last month. Maybe it's real, or maybe it's just two polls, and then focus on that anomaly. Then you say, "Oh look, it's fading," and disregard the trend of the last 50 years as not significant. I've seen this tactic used in other political debates too.
I don't believe there's a decline, I just think media has become so thin skinned that they just take things said in jest by people from a younger demographic on so heavily when nothings meant by it, like a straight friend calling a gay friend 'a big old faggot' is done to rift but not be malicious, but the media will perceive it as malicious.
People today are more free about what they say, despite online platforms trying to control it.
It's funny how it's always the ideas that favor weirdo perverts that are "progressive".
I have preached for years that it is easier to coax a puppy on a leash then to drag them. People are more willingly to accept on their own sweet time, asking acceptance is touchy....demanding it....certain to fail no matter the cause.
It is part of the "intersectionality" mess. It isn't just LGBTQIAAPPQ, it is the whole god damn progressive stack in which this is a part.
And the trans are fucking it up for everyone with demands for verbal policing AND dominating womens sports.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on March 01, 2020, 06:38:50 PM
It is part of the "intersectionality" mess. It isn't just LGBTQIAAPPQ, it is the whole god damn progressive stack in which this is a part.
And the trans are fucking it up for everyone with demands for verbal policing AND dominating womens sports.
Tranies are sabotours of Feminism and LGB … those folks don't want anything to do with the trans-dumb. My guess transgender is part of a Republican conspiracy. This is particularly acute in GB, where the Left want anyone who wants to, to simply declare themselves trans, without a medical diagnosis or treatment. Even non-feminist women are outraged.
Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on March 01, 2020, 06:38:50 PM
It is part of the "intersectionality" mess. It isn't just LGBTQIAAPPQ, it is the whole god damn progressive stack in which this is a part.
And the trans are fucking it up for everyone with demands for verbal policing AND dominating womens sports.
It really is a mess nowadays. With everyone making up new sexual identities and wanting that added to addition to the LGBT roster, its also no wonder pedophiles have tried to have themselves become part of it.
Its whats also bred this toxic belief into modern day trans people that due to their unique nature of their being, the world needs to somehow be shaped around them, rather then them trying to adapt with the world. Making special toilets for them? Having the proportional straight of a man but playing against women? I've even heard men expected to tone it down because female to male players need to be given a fair chance to play against them?
I've talked to trans people, was friends with a trans man, and the ones I have talked to haven't had any level of entitlement these toxic fuckers have who want the world shaped around them. Most I've meet are just happy being in the body they want to be in now.
Such a decision, its something you really need thick skin for and expect things will be challenging, much in the same way not everything is 100% made for disabled people.
Munch, FTM men develop the exact same strength as other men once on testosterone for a good amount of time and having worked up to develop the muscle mass they need to compete.
MTF women lose any male strength they once had due to the loss of testosterone and the muscle changes introduced by estrogen. Fallen Fox has little to no competitive advantage over other competitors who have trained to develop the same level of fighting skills and muscle.
Hormones really do even/change the playing field.
I am against the idea of "special toilets", but from meeting trans people in early transition at UNLV, I understand the desire for gender neutral restrooms as a safe space. I really would prefer if all restrooms were like the Ally McBeal restrooms simply because it would mean more toilets and shorter lines.
Those who are MtF and FtM are people I consider to be very brave going though the full treatment to becomes the opposite gender as they desire. The issue I have are those who haven't gone though it, may e just changing their cloths are living like the opposite sex, but also wants everyone to treat them like they fully the opposite gender, including bathrooms, sports and military services.
I've mentioned before I've been friends with someone who was FtM, and until he told me he was FtM I wouldn't have even guessed, showing how well the transformation can be done.
I'm just saying, if someone is claiming to be fully MtF/FtM but are really just a tranny who when dropping the cloths and make up is a man or woman, I just don't think they should be going for roles that wouldn't either benefit them or others around them until they fully transition
Even pre-ops have the same muscle mass and tone as natal members of the desired sex IF they are on hormone replacement therapy. That said, if they don't have the desired secondary sexual characteristics, skin texture, and smell, then I agree with you on this.
I talked to my old trans friend (call him Jon) about it, he went though the full treatment, had breast reduction surgery, he had a full beard so you know he had full testosterone treatment. Only thing he hadn't had at the time was that final surgery to give him a you know what, but as far as I was concerned he was a man like any other guy.
Only reason I lost contact with him was because it was years ago before the internet became an everyday thing, I didn't have a mobile phone, only a house number, and only had an address to mail him things, which I think he moved from. Tried to find him online but to no luck
Yeah, I've lost a lot of old friends. Back in 2000 when I was forced out of the Navy, many of my friends had AOL emails, in the Navy you tend to be transferred every 3-5 years, and even my ISP changed due to buyouts. I can't find some of those friends still. And I'd love to reconnect with them.
You have an entire population of people who got public recognition and victim bucks just for whining really loud and dressing like idiots, this kind of lunacy was inevitable.
Natalie Wynn addressed the topic of "transtrenders" on The Rubin Report The Freedom Report.
https://youtu.be/EdvM_pRfuFM
Yes, different toilets for different genders … particularly in Latin America … two kinds of bidets. One with the fountain more forward, the other more backward (joke)
My old boss was right, make all toilets individual, and gender neutral. Then no problem with exposure, unless you can't stand looking at yourself.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 02, 2020, 02:50:08 PM
Natalie Wynn addressed the topic of "transtrenders" on The Rubin Report The Freedom Report.
https://youtu.be/EdvM_pRfuFM
They're all "transtrenders".
Quote from: SvZurich on March 01, 2020, 11:18:11 PM
Munch, FTM men develop the exact same strength as other men once on testosterone for a good amount of time and having worked up to develop the muscle mass they need to compete.
MTF women lose any male strength they once had due to the loss of testosterone and the muscle changes introduced by estrogen. Fallen Fox has little to no competitive advantage over other competitors who have trained to develop the same level of fighting skills and muscle.
Hormones really do even/change the playing field.
It doesn't do much to bone density and size though.
Plus both MTF and FTM seem to insist on competing in the womens leagues where they have an advantage either way.
It is Ironic because the Progressive Stack considers Islam to be a race instead of a religion. This puts two different parts of the same stack in direct opposition to each other.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 29, 2020, 11:44:50 AM
It doesn't particularly surprise me... It's something I've certainly noticed.
The new generation is dumb as fucking rocks, and I know it's not their fault but the education systems... My mom subs (after teaching for 26 years), and she has had entire classes of 8th graders who literally can't solve 2 times 2 or fifth /sixth graders who are borderline illiterate.
When you come from that background, it's not surprising you would be a bigot, that's pretty par for the course.
Yet down here alot of people couldn't read well when I was in highschool, because we are so near the Border education is good but there is alot of bad teachers. My friend who is the same age as me couldn't read well and now he has a wife and a college degree in computer science. Don't judge a generation on their learning because it turns out they may have a learning impediment or bad teachers and I.S.D.
Every generation is more liberal than the before, it's just that we have so many PC radicals or conservatives running around being assholes.
Yes, Communist inevitable progress means that Right handed people will become extinct, I tell you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a67fqHWSMQ
Not all post-op M-F transgenders are Stalinist pigs.
I like Contrapoints because it gives a Left balance to Rose of Dawn, who I also like. Centrist pig that I am.
QuoteDon't judge a generation on their learning because it turns out they may have a learning impediment or bad teachers and I.S.D.
I'm not, I literally said I realise it's not their fault.
Doesn't change the fact they are dumb as rocks though. Shit, I would throw myself into that category 90% of the time as well.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:31:30 AM
I'm not, I literally said I realise it's not their fault.
Doesn't change the fact they are dumb as rocks though. Shit, I would throw myself into that category 90% of the time as well.
Stupidity wears off after you pass 60 ;-)
It takes a lot of education to get as stupid as some people.
Quote from: jorgoth on March 13, 2020, 01:51:47 PM
It takes a lot of education to get as stupid as some people.
Hence Apostle Paul denouncing the intellectualism of the Greeks ... and the literalism of the Jews.