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Title: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on January 28, 2020, 09:04:46 PM
Didn't find a thread on the Wuhan corona virus.


Here's an interesting map distribution of the Wuhan corona virus:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6




As of this post there are a total of 5.578 confirmed cases.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on January 28, 2020, 09:55:07 PM
There have been about 15,000,000 cases, 140,000 hospitalizations, and 8,200 deaths from the flu in the US alone this season. I could be wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about the Wuhan coronavirus.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 28, 2020, 10:07:36 PM
There have been about 15,000,000 cases, 140,000 hospitalizations, and 8,200 deaths from the flu in the US alone this season. I could be wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about the Wuhan coronavirus.
(https://wp-assets.futurism.com/2020/01/Total-Death-Toll-Over-Time-of-the-Wuhan-Coronavirus-1-1.png)

Just give it some time.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 28, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
The tracker I use:  https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/01/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

It's not as detailed as other sites, but it has enough at-a-glance info for me and it doesn't take long to load on mobile.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on January 28, 2020, 10:23:05 PM
Just give it some time.

An annual flu chart would look similar. The CDC estimates there were 45,000,000 cases and 61,000 flu-related deaths in the US during the 2017-18 season. This year is looking even worse. Early estimates are putting the number of deaths in the 90,000 range. And remember that's just the US. Worldwide the number will be a lot bigger than that. I did say I could be wrong. I am just having a hard time getting excited about it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on January 28, 2020, 11:26:03 PM
There have been about 15,000,000 cases, 140,000 hospitalizations, and 8,200 deaths from the flu in the US alone this season. I could be wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about the Wuhan coronavirus.

It's because the case-to-fatality possibility is significantly higher with the coronavirus than the common flu.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 28, 2020, 11:49:18 PM
An annual flu chart would look similar.
We have the flu every year.  This year it's the flu AND coronavirus.  Plus, a bunch of cities are quarantined and things are looking a little like this:

(https://foreignpolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/WUHAN-CHINA-VIRUS.jpg?w=800&h=533&quality=90)

(http://stmedia.startribune.com/images/APTOPIX_HONG_KONG_CHINA_OUTBREAK_57720027.JPG)

(https://i.imgur.com/x6xblPDl.jpg)

Definitely not an ordinary day in China.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on January 29, 2020, 12:01:54 AM
It's because the case-to-fatality possibility is significantly higher with the coronavirus than the common flu.
"Significantly higher" is still pretty low in this case. 132 fatalities out of 6057 confirmed cases, mostly in the >60 crowd. And this is China we're talking about. A country that packed is always going to have a worse death toll from a disease outbreak.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on January 29, 2020, 04:26:37 AM
I too am not too worried about the Corona virus, as of yet. But I am fascinated by the traction it is gathering and by how China chose/chooses to deal with the situation.

https://youtu.be/QBr89vdy3gE
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on January 29, 2020, 07:03:16 AM
I too am not too worried about the Corona virus, as of yet. But I am fascinated by the traction it is gathering and by how China chose/chooses to deal with the situation.
I remember a line from Stargate SG1 when the US revealed the stargate in a top secret meeting with representatives of other global military powers.  The Chinese representative tried to shame the US for keeping it a secret.  He then threated to make it known to the Chinese people on the grounds that the Chinese government did not keep secrets from its citizens.  Everyone just looked at him blankly without commenting, which made the situation even more humorous.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 29, 2020, 11:25:28 AM
An annual flu chart would look similar. The CDC estimates there were 45,000,000 cases and 61,000 flu-related deaths in the US during the 2017-18 season. This year is looking even worse. Early estimates are putting the number of deaths in the 90,000 range. And remember that's just the US. Worldwide the number will be a lot bigger than that. I did say I could be wrong. I am just having a hard time getting excited about it.

Got stock in drug companies what will make the anti-virus? ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 29, 2020, 11:27:38 AM
I remember a line from Stargate SG1 when the US revealed the stargate in a top secret meeting with representatives of other global military powers.  The Chinese representative tried to shame the US for keeping it a secret.  He then threated to make it known to the Chinese people on the grounds that the Chinese government did not keep secrets from its citizens.  Everyone just looked at him blankly without commenting, which made the situation even more humorous.

The Chinese aren't Guauld … they are Replicators ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on January 29, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
Jeez, whomever it is who makes/sells those face masks will make a...killing!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on January 29, 2020, 03:06:06 PM
There have been about 15,000,000 cases, 140,000 hospitalizations, and 8,200 deaths from the flu in the US alone this season. I could be wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about the Wuhan coronavirus.
I'm not all that happy about it myself. The morbidity and mortality rates are pretty high with this new virus. The flu is bad enough as it is.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on January 29, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
I'm not all that happy about it myself. The morbidity and mortality rates are pretty high with this new virus. The flu is bad enough as it is.

He's saying that the common flu has claimed more people recently over the last few years then what the coronavirus has done so far (remains to see how worse it gets) it's just that the media are fearmongering as if it's the black death.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on January 29, 2020, 04:03:07 PM
He's saying that the common flu has claimed more people recently over the last few years then what the coronavirus has done so far (remains to see how worse it gets) it's just that the media are fearmongering as if it's the black death.

According to a recent study (https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914) worldwide the flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people each year every year. As of the chart posted earlier in this thread the Kung flu has killed 106.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on January 29, 2020, 04:52:22 PM
He's saying that the common flu has claimed more people recently over the last few years then what the coronavirus has done so far (remains to see how worse it gets) it's just that the media are fearmongering as if it's the black death.
The "common flu" is a terrible virus.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on January 29, 2020, 05:12:28 PM
According to a recent study (https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914) worldwide the flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people each year every year. As of the chart posted earlier in this thread the Kung flu has killed 106.

Yeah, and yet the media are claiming as if its the end of the world. These kind of things go and come around all the time
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 29, 2020, 07:26:50 PM
Jeez, whomever it is who makes/sells those face masks will make a...killing!

Emperor Xi makes the best … Commie Capitalist.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 29, 2020, 07:28:09 PM
I'm not all that happy about it myself. The morbidity and mortality rates are pretty high with this new virus. The flu is bad enough as it is.

Soup made with turmeric and ginger kills respiratory problems.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 29, 2020, 07:29:06 PM
He's saying that the common flu has claimed more people recently over the last few years then what the coronavirus has done so far (remains to see how worse it gets) it's just that the media are fearmongering as if it's the black death.

Media sell fear, and New Improved Tide!  The Media are the Black Death.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 29, 2020, 11:10:53 PM
Soup made with turmeric and ginger kills respiratory problems.
*stares in asthma*
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 29, 2020, 11:39:24 PM
I'm not all that happy about it myself. The morbidity and mortality rates are pretty high with this new virus. The flu is bad enough as it is.
It can also spread while still incubating (in other words, people can spread it before they're noticeably sick)

But it has been successfully grown in a lab (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-breakthrough-2019-ncov-grown-lab-china-first-game-changer-1484548), allowing for a more thorough analysis of the virus and could help in the creation of a vaccine.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on January 29, 2020, 11:55:00 PM
It can also spread while still incubating (in other words, people can spread it before they're noticeably sick)

But it has been successfully grown in a lab (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-breakthrough-2019-ncov-grown-lab-china-first-game-changer-1484548), allowing for a more thorough analysis of the virus and could help in the creation of a vaccine.
Before y'all get your hopes up, just remember that medical staff and other people involved in dealing with the virus will be the first to receive such a vaccine. Don't let hope make you complacent.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 29, 2020, 11:59:34 PM
Before y'all get your hopes up, just remember that medical staff and other people involved in dealing with the virus will be the first to receive such a vaccine. Don't let hope make you complacent.
I guess I'll have to reschedule my weekly swappin' spit at the asian food market session.  :(

And yes, I know that the most vulnerable (medical workers, elderly, kids, etc) will be the first to get a shot, not me.  This isn't the Titanic.  I think I can manage waiting a little extra.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on January 30, 2020, 03:49:53 PM
The WHO just declared it a international public health emergency, only the sixth time something has been given that rank.

I'm prone to believe an organization of doctors and health professionals when it comes to health related issues.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on January 30, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Hell, humanity should be considered a public health emergency.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 30, 2020, 05:24:54 PM
Hell, humanity should be considered a public health emergency.
Technically, it's a STD.  :P
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on January 30, 2020, 05:38:13 PM
Technically, it's a STD.  :P
I think it was 60 tonnes less carbon footprint if you DIDN'T reproduce.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2020, 08:16:07 PM
*stares in asthma*

Try it.  But if politics makes you hyperventilate, then stop paying attention to politics.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2020, 08:17:04 PM
It can also spread while still incubating (in other words, people can spread it before they're noticeably sick)

But it has been successfully grown in a lab (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-breakthrough-2019-ncov-grown-lab-china-first-game-changer-1484548), allowing for a more thorough analysis of the virus and could help in the creation of a vaccine.

Grown in lab?  As in Chinese stole it from a Canada lab, and accidentally let it loose?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 30, 2020, 08:18:15 PM
I guess I'll have to reschedule my weekly swappin' spit at the asian food market session.  :(

And yes, I know that the most vulnerable (medical workers, elderly, kids, etc) will be the first to get a shot, not me.  This isn't the Titanic.  I think I can manage waiting a little extra.

Make sure you have a first class ticket, not steerage, and you look like a woman ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 03:30:40 PM
Coronavirus could mean more U.S. jobs. Wilbur Ross goes there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/wilbur-ross-touts-coronavirus-economic-benefits-u-s-after-saying-n1126366

"I think it will help to accelerate the return of jobs to North America," Trump's commerce secretary said.


Yeah, so what if people die, as long as it's good for the good old U.S. of A-holes.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on January 31, 2020, 03:42:09 PM
Coronavirus could mean more U.S. jobs. Wilbur Ross goes there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/wilbur-ross-touts-coronavirus-economic-benefits-u-s-after-saying-n1126366

"I think it will help to accelerate the return of jobs to North America," Trump's commerce secretary said.


Yeah, so what if people die, as long as it's good for the good old U.S. of A-holes.

More grave diggers, more profit for medicines, more doctors, more gravestone artisans.

Yes its immoral, but the guy wasnt wrong. After all, war profits someone's pockets, disease will too.

Just a state of the human condition
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 03:53:03 PM
Yeah, more money for the quacks that will sell crap to the credulous idiots who will believe anything.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on January 31, 2020, 04:33:02 PM
Yeah, more money for the quacks that will sell crap to the credulous idiots who will believe anything.

Don't forget holistic medicines!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on January 31, 2020, 04:42:55 PM
Actually his point was that it will hit a vulnerable Chinese workforce and market, meaning production should start to head back State-side and perhaps let us re-establish ourselves as the dominant market.

The problem is American policies for awhile now, despite all of Trump's talk about how he is bringing us back, have not really set us up to capitalize on China's weakness. Unless we really bust our asses off as a nation and start putting the working class in a stronger position... but I doubt that will happen any time soon unless Bernie wins.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 05:05:46 PM
Coronavirus could mean more U.S. jobs. Wilbur Ross goes there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/wilbur-ross-touts-coronavirus-economic-benefits-u-s-after-saying-n1126366

"I think it will help to accelerate the return of jobs to North America," Trump's commerce secretary said.


Yeah, so what if people die, as long as it's good for the good old U.S. of A-holes.

Death to America!  Long live the Chinese Empire!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 05:06:20 PM
Yeah, more money for the quacks that will sell crap to the credulous idiots who will believe anything.

You can always refuse first aid etc.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
Don't forget holistic medicines!

I wouldn't touch that with a nano-scopic tincture of some homeopathic nostrum.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 05:08:55 PM
Actually his point was that it will hit a vulnerable Chinese workforce and market, meaning production should start to head back State-side and perhaps let us re-establish ourselves as the dominant market.

The problem is American policies for awhile now, despite all of Trump's talk about how he is bringing us back, have not really set us up to capitalize on China's weakness. Unless we really bust our asses off as a nation and start putting the working class in a stronger position... but I doubt that will happen any time soon unless Bernie wins.

I am in favor of forced work camps for Dems.  Especially those with basket weaving BA degrees.  Orange Hitler does nothing wrong.  Bernie is in favor of college educated commissars (not like Pol Pot).  Not actual working people.  Like Comrade Corbyn, Comrade Bernie is a millionaire.  Neither ever dug a ditch their whole lives.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 05:18:21 PM
Death to America!

America is already dead, and has been since the SCOTUS decided who would be president - December 23, 2000.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 31, 2020, 05:54:02 PM
The number of cases jumped from just shy of 10,000 yesterday to 11,300 right now.  The numbers outside China seem to be similarly climbing.  A lot of new countries on the tally, which is really worrying.  I thought this could stay relatively contained, but it looks like it's going to be a global phenonemon.

Get plenty of sleep and wash your hands regularly, everyone!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 06:08:43 PM
America is already dead, and has been since the SCOTUS decided who would be president - December 23, 2000.

US died 1961, when fake President Kennedy elected by dead Dems in Chicago cemetery.  The whole 1960s are a horror not to be repeated (ending 1970).  If no Kennedy, then no Cuban Missile Crisis (because Bay of Pigs followed thru), no assassinations, no Vietnam war etc.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 06:09:23 PM
The number of cases jumped from just shy of 10,000 yesterday to 11,300 right now.  The numbers outside China seem to be similarly climbing.  A lot of new countries on the tally, which is really worrying.  I thought this could stay relatively contained, but it looks like it's going to be a global phenonemon.

Get plenty of sleep and wash your hands regularly, everyone!

Nobody knows anything, until the Fat Lady sings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U38dd3GbzEc

China-Dammerung
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 06:27:31 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfPF6_KRR_U
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on January 31, 2020, 07:18:07 PM
The number of cases jumped from just shy of 10,000 yesterday to 11,300 right now.  The numbers outside China seem to be similarly climbing.  A lot of new countries on the tally, which is really worrying.  I thought this could stay relatively contained, but it looks like it's going to be a global phenonemon.

Get plenty of sleep and wash your hands regularly, everyone!

Yeah, I'm pretty much fucked if it spreads. I face-to-face interact with several hundred people a day, 4-5 days a week, handling cash.

Tempted to stock up on water and canned soup because I know my luck, and when I inevitably get sick just quarantine myself in my house and try to stay hydrated and nourished enough.


Could be worse; in Australia they literally let a guy who was showing symptoms on a flight from Wuhan to Singapore to Melbourne leave the airport and travel around the city for two days before being diagnosed. Who knows how hard Melbourne might be hit from that.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on January 31, 2020, 07:43:25 PM
Also, this is what things like the Spanish Flu and Black Death are so, so, so, SO important to teach about instead of sweeping under the rug like we do; large scale diseases like this are incredibly historically prevalent and not at all shocking in the slightest if you know your history. I mean, only a hundred years ago between 50-100 million people died to the flu... now consider how much smaller the Earth's population was and how it wasn't nearly as interlinked as it is today.

The flu is always terrifying, but tuberculosis... that one is truly terrifying and the most likely to really fuck humanity up sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 07:45:27 PM
Only now, is Australia planning on quarantining on Christmas Island.

Don't handle paper money, that is a major virus vector.  Insist on people using debit/credit card.  If they can "swipe" their own, let them.  If not, you can wear latex gloves to avoid touching their junk.

Like I said, turmeric and ginger soup is good for the respiratory system.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 07:47:10 PM
Also, this is what things like the Spanish Flu and Black Death are so, so, so, SO important to teach about instead of sweeping under the rug like we do; large scale diseases like this are incredibly historically prevalent and not at all shocking in the slightest if you know your history. I mean, only a hundred years ago between 50-100 million people died to the flu... now consider how much smaller the Earth's population was and how it wasn't nearly as interlinked as it is today.

The flu is always terrifying, but tuberculosis... that one is truly terrifying and the most likely to really fuck humanity up sooner rather than later.

Living near the Navajo Reservation ... they get tuberculosis easy if they spend time in a dirt floor hogan, instead of a trailer.  Otherwise this is pretty uncommon in the US.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on January 31, 2020, 08:13:14 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty much fucked if it spreads. I face-to-face interact with several hundred people a day, 4-5 days a week, handling cash.
Same.  My natural introversion would likely save me if not for the need to earn cash for basic expenses.  Instead, I'm just a node in a web of misery and destruction.  And the disease seems nasty, too.  😷
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on January 31, 2020, 08:17:27 PM
Living near the Navajo Reservation ... they get tuberculosis easy if they spend time in a dirt floor hogan, instead of a trailer.  Otherwise this is pretty uncommon in the US.

For now. But if it evolves, as it is prone to do... look out.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 11:21:56 PM
For now. But if it evolves, as it is prone to do... look out.

All things evolve.  And when that happens, some lucky person gets to be patient zero ;-(

Quarantine is now up to 63 million.  Greatest in history.  But China did it about 14 days too late ;-(  Megadeath will only happen if truck drivers get sick.  The modern city only has 3 days of food.  Any population is 4 meals away from chaos.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on February 01, 2020, 10:27:34 AM


Like I said, turmeric and ginger soup is good for the respiratory system.
How? Do you have any data?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on February 01, 2020, 10:28:38 AM
Soup made with turmeric and ginger kills respiratory problems.
That's bunk.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 10:33:16 AM
How? Do you have any data?

Health food market.  Raw tumeric and raw ginger.  Not the processed kind.  Put cabbage etc in, the tumeric and ginger flavors the chicken broth.  Don't overcook.

My daughter swears by it, who is health conscious and diets.  I helped make the last batch.  I have tried it, want some more anytime I cough.  A bit bitter to taste.

The tumeric gets on your hands, leaves yellow stains.  Could help by itself, if you act out in public, giving people the thought you are a plague victim ;-)

Daughter also recommends pickled ginger, but processing food destroys good molecules.  I suspect kimchee cabbage also kills germs (but not viruses).  Chili in general is good for you, particularly if you are in a hot 3rd world climate.

Bunk?  All reality is bunk ... because history is bunk (see Henry Ford).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 10:35:37 AM
Meanwhile ...

"NOT SATIRE: WIRED SUGGESTS JUST LETTING CORONAVIRUS RUN RAMPANT" ... really woke people realize that viruses and bacteria are oppressed by speciesists.  Many Future-ologists want a planet with a much smaller population.  That is not a conspiracy theory?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 10:58:48 AM
12 Monkeys - Researchers think they detect signs of genetic manipulation by humans in Wuhan coronavirus.  One insertion looks like it came from HIV!

The rate of exposure is one person who has it, and doesn't know yet, will infect 3 others before they are hospitalized.  Hospitalization is 25%, even if the fatality rate is about 3%.  The fatality rate is only that low, because of available medical assistance for the less hurt.  China building 3 new hospitals, instantly, to triage victims, about 100,000 beds.  Not first class accommodation like in US hospitals.  Like pictures of Spanish Flu.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 11:35:38 AM
One estimate had confirmed cases at 10,000 in China, but actual is 9 times larger, 90,000 because of Chinese new year travel.  A new epidemiological model thinks there will be 128 million infected by Feb 20.

"CNN Is Angry That Too Many White People Are Trying To Stop The Coronavirus Spreading" ... so is CNN working with Wired?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 11:50:58 AM
Phillipines deported 500 Chinese citizens, over fears of pandemic.  Italy has 300,000 Chinese guest workers.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on February 01, 2020, 11:55:09 AM
Seems like it's an escaped biotech weapon.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 12:00:24 PM
Seems like it's an escaped biotech weapon.

Perhaps.  Meanwhile, Chinese officials are undercounting deaths, by reclassifying cause of death is pneumonia.  And they are burning bodies of victims.

Perhaps just more irresponsible bioethics violations, mixing genes and infecting lab animals.  And maybe an animal lover let the bats out of the belfry.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on February 01, 2020, 12:19:23 PM
Read the first couple of chapters of The Stand by Stephen King to get an idea of how this can go down.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 01, 2020, 01:31:15 PM
I doubt it will be any worse than SARS or MERS. I guess it's the uncertainty that is causing concern, because we just don't know the future, and we're prone to fear because we like being scared.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on February 01, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
I doubt it will be any worse than SARS or MERS. I guess it's the uncertainty that is causing concern, because we just don't know the future, and we're prone to fear because we like being scared.
We know little about the virus, including where it originated, and know that it has potential to become a global pandemic. I see nothing wrong with the alarm bells.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 01, 2020, 04:30:17 PM
We know little about the virus, including where it originated, and know that it has potential to become a global pandemic. I see nothing wrong with the alarm bells.

Well then your just kinda following the fearmongering of mainstream news who use that fear to get your attention. The same thing happened with all recent outbreaks, sars, mers, ebola, bird flu, mad cow disease, yellow fever. These things exist, and still exist, but have been controlled and reduced, and all those diseases had the same chance of death as this one.
So really, what are we more likely to die of, a disease, getting hit by a car, or a heart attack? Any really, so there's little point thinking human race will be wiped out tomorrow just because a paper wants you to think that.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 01, 2020, 04:57:55 PM
International medical community: "This is a serious issue of international concern, and all countries need to take this very seriously or it could explode into something far beyond our ability to handle."

Random people on the internet: "IT'S ALL THE MEDIA TRYING TO SCARE YOU!!!!"

Who to believe, who to believe...

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 05:11:50 PM
I doubt it will be any worse than SARS or MERS. I guess it's the uncertainty that is causing concern, because we just don't know the future, and we're prone to fear because we like being scared.

Already worse.  Are you defending germs to virtue signal your opposition to speciesism?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 05:12:55 PM
Well then your just kinda following the fearmongering of mainstream news who use that fear to get your attention. The same thing happened with all recent outbreaks, sars, mers, ebola, bird flu, mad cow disease, yellow fever. These things exist, and still exist, but have been controlled and reduced, and all those diseases had the same chance of death as this one.
So really, what are we more likely to die of, a disease, getting hit by a car, or a heart attack? Any really, so there's little point thinking human race will be wiped out tomorrow just because a paper wants you to think that.

Without mad-cow disease, there would be no Brexit ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 05:13:31 PM
International medical community: "This is a serious issue of international concern, and all countries need to take this very seriously or it could explode into something far beyond our ability to handle."

Random people on the internet: "IT'S ALL THE MEDIA TRYING TO SCARE YOU!!!!"

Who to believe, who to believe...

Russia and N Korea closed their borders with China.  Those people are dupes!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on February 01, 2020, 05:16:23 PM
Well then your just kinda following the fearmongering of mainstream news who use that fear to get your attention. The same thing happened with all recent outbreaks, sars, mers, ebola, bird flu, mad cow disease, yellow fever. These things exist, and still exist, but have been controlled and reduced, and all those diseases had the same chance of death as this one.
So really, what are we more likely to die of, a disease, getting hit by a car, or a heart attack? Any really, so there's little point thinking human race will be wiped out tomorrow just because a paper wants you to think that.
Why is it a problem to sound the alarms? You say it's fearmongering, but we do not know enough to make that assessment.
I will believe science and not internet banter. Meanwhile, I will support the cautions. SARS, MERS, Ebola, etc, those are all outbreaks that occurred in the past. We know much about these diseases, where they came from and how to control them. This one is occurring in the present. We know little about it. "a paper" doesn't want me to think that. I want this information. If you don't, don't read it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 01, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
International medical community: "This is a serious issue of international concern, and all countries need to take this very seriously or it could explode into something far beyond our ability to handle."

Random people on the internet: "IT'S ALL THE MEDIA TRYING TO SCARE YOU!!!!"

Who to believe, who to believe...

The international medical communities are taking it seriously, just like that did with all other pandemics.
So maybe calm your tits and have a little trust in this thing being handled, rather then thinking it's coming to get you while you sleep?

Unlike yourself I've actually got an added medical issue that could create even worse complications if infected, should I wall myself up ever flu season because of that?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 05:17:45 PM
If all Media are lies, unless you know a Coronavirus victim, there probably isn't any Coronavirus.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 05:18:46 PM
The international medical communities are taking it seriously, just like that did with all other pandemics.
So maybe calm your tits and have a little trust in this thing being handled, rather then thinking it's coming to get you while you sleep?

Unlike yourself I've actually got an added medical issue that could create even worse complications if infected, should I wall myself up ever flu season because of that?

Panic is a self-induced illness.  Be smart, don't Panic!  Unless it is the Vogon destructor fleet!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 01, 2020, 05:19:22 PM
Why is it a problem to sound the alarms? You say it's fearmongering, but we do not know enough to make that assessment.

I didnt say alarms or awareness made of the disease shouldn't be made. I said just calm down, since theres always a new pandemic every year or so. And as a species we've not had another black death for some time.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 05:34:43 PM
I didnt say alarms or awareness made of the disease shouldn't be made. I said just calm down, since theres always a new pandemic every year or so. And as a species we've not had another black death for some time.

About 100 years in the West, unless you live in a 3rd World shit-hole.  Got Ebola?  The death rate from pre-modern disease was higher, because they had no education and no medicine (other than honey etc).  If you get collapse of city functions, then the death rate goes higher, even with modern people.  Remember, Democrats are Soylent Blue.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 01, 2020, 05:35:50 PM
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The international medical communities are taking it seriously, just like that did with all other pandemics.

I... know... that's literally why I mentioned it.

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So maybe calm your tits and have a little trust in this thing being handled, rather then thinking it's coming to get you while you sleep?

Let's assume that's how I feel about it (it's not), what does that have to do with you claiming the media is the only one saying this is an issue when the international medical community says the same?

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 05:37:04 PM
In 30 days we may be in a different universe ;-(  Hopefully not.  Just think of all the Chinese now running sub-Saharan Africa!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 01, 2020, 05:48:40 PM
I... know... that's literally why I mentioned it.

Let's assume that's how I feel about it (it's not), what does that have to do with you claiming the media is the only one saying this is an issue when the international medical community says the same?

Medical communities have already said this isn't a death sentence, shown the risks, given accounts of people infected to the ratio of those who have died, are updated on control of such an outbreak. These are not fear mongering like newspapers hyping up the death toll like its the end of the world, they might as well make front page headlines every time flu season comes around and claims people
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on February 01, 2020, 06:15:06 PM
The international medical communities are taking it seriously, just like that did with all other pandemics.
So maybe calm your tits and have a little trust in this thing being handled, rather then thinking it's coming to get you while you sleep?

Unlike yourself I've actually got an added medical issue that could create even worse complications if infected, should I wall myself up ever flu season because of that?
Maybe you should calm your tits.  Someone who wants real info about a situation so one can take reasonable measures to prevent something is not fear mongering.  If there is something one can do to present less of a target, then why not know what those measures are?  If you are not worried about it, then don't stress. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 01, 2020, 07:20:45 PM
Read the first couple of chapters of The Stand by Stephen King to get an idea of how this can go down.
My life for you!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 01, 2020, 07:31:09 PM
Health food market.  Raw tumeric and raw ginger.  Not the processed kind.
This just in: respiratory illness cured!

Researcher:  "I just gave the patients some ginger for dinner and boom, all respiratory illness gone. Dunno why we never looked into that before"

In related news, household items do a variety of miraculous things, according to schizophrenic in subway.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 08:20:00 PM
Yes, only use very expensive drugs ... seems like a pattern here forming ...

Meanwhile ...

"Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Saturday approved Department of Defense (DoD) housing at four military bases for 1,000 people who may have to be quarantined as a result of the coronavirus, following the appearance of the eighth confirmed case of the disease in the U.S." ... Australia will use Christmas Island.  The US will be using 4 military bases, with isolated housing for the internees.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 08:41:31 PM
"CHINA DEPLOYS MASSIVE DRONE ARMY SPRAYING CHEMICALS TO COMBAT CORONAVIRUS" ... infertile female workers are doing chem-trails at ground level ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 01, 2020, 10:01:05 PM
Maybe you should calm your tits.  Someone who wants real info about a situation so one can take reasonable measures to prevent something is not fear mongering.  If there is something one can do to present less of a target, then why not know what those measures are?  If you are not worried about it, then don't stress.

medical practitioners will give you insight into that. Don't turn to newspapers on how bad something is in this regard. Although I would say again stressing out about another pandemic in the world isn't a healthy path in itself since stress will just fuck up your natural immune system anyway, seen enough of what stress does to a person in my own family and friends.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2020, 05:59:39 AM
Old style medicine .. smoke tobacco and drink alcohol.  A lot cheaper and for some, more fun, than the expensive nostrums of the Drug Empire.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on February 02, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
medical practitioners will give you insight into that. Don't turn to newspapers on how bad something is in this regard. Although I would say again stressing out about another pandemic in the world isn't a healthy path in itself since stress will just fuck up your natural immune system anyway, seen enough of what stress does to a person in my own family and friends.
I agree with that, Munch.  but I don't think Mermaid was pulling a Hennie Penney running around screaming the sky is falling.  She is/was simply trying to figure out how real the threat is, and if so, what to do about it.  I'm in the same boat.  I am concerned that the WHO is as concerned as it is--but so far, all I can do is to simply wash my hands a bunch and don't touch my face.  Am I stressed?  No.  Am I concerned?  Yes--I have family who are in the beginning and middle of their lives who could  be greatly impacted--not too worried abut myself. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2020, 11:12:50 AM
"China deploys 1,400 military doctors, nurses to staff makeshift hospitals in Wuhan" ... they are trying.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 02, 2020, 12:47:17 PM
I agree with that, Munch.  but I don't think Mermaid was pulling a Hennie Penney running around screaming the sky is falling.  She is/was simply trying to figure out how real the threat is, and if so, what to do about it.  I'm in the same boat.  I am concerned that the WHO is as concerned as it is--but so far, all I can do is to simply wash my hands a bunch and don't touch my face.  Am I stressed?  No.  Am I concerned?  Yes--I have family who are in the beginning and middle of their lives who could  be greatly impacted--not too worried abut myself.

now see if you say you had family who are more vulnerable to these things, or you yourself are more vulnerable to diseases, then it is actually perfectly understandable the concern over it. And if I had family in heavy struct regions of the disease, it would stress me out too thinking of their safety.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2020, 05:43:11 PM
now see if you say you had family who are more vulnerable to these things, or you yourself are more vulnerable to diseases, then it is actually perfectly understandable the concern over it. And if I had family in heavy struct regions of the disease, it would stress me out too thinking of their safety.

People with lung problems ... smokers particularly.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 02, 2020, 08:46:27 PM
People with lung problems ... smokers particularly.

I should be concerned then for my aunt who smokes 20-25 a day. Sadly my aunts the kind of person who thinks everything she does is better then anyone else. so maybe she thinks her immune system is better then anyone else too.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 02, 2020, 09:36:39 PM
Doctors in Thailand successfully used a drug cocktail to treat a coronavirus patient.  So that's good news.

They used the anti-flu drug oseltamivir with anti-virals used against HIV, lopinavir and ritonavir.  The patient made a dramatic improvement in 48-hours and now tests negative for the virus.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 02, 2020, 10:28:48 PM
just seems funny for all china's wealth and control, the cure comes from another country, ha.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 03, 2020, 12:00:32 AM
just seems funny for all china's wealth and control, the cure comes from another country, ha.
Bangkoktails, heh.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 03, 2020, 09:17:48 AM
just seems funny for all china's wealth and control, the cure comes from another country, ha.

And an HIV treatment is relevant ;-)  Gay Chinese bats?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 04, 2020, 12:04:26 AM
I post this not because it does any good, but just because it dispells the ridiculous myth that this is not much more serious than the SARs outbreak, or the common flu... spreading false information about a pandemic is exactly the last thing that needs to be done.

First: SARs vs WCV

SARS (November 2002 - July 2003)
- 6 Months
-8098 Cases
-774 Deaths
-Fatality Rate: 9.56%

Wuhan Corona Virus
-Less than a month
-20,000+ (with over 2000 new cases a day at the moment)
-425 reported deaths
-Fatality Rate (as reported): 2.13%

At the moment, the Corona virus, as reported, is a little under 1/5th as fatal as SARs, which is great. However one major caveat to this is that we have to remember this is the PRC providing these numbers... reporters in China are saying the death toll is significantly higher than Xi's government is reporting. But let's use the reported numbers to stay optimistic.

If the WCV stops exponentially spreading and continues at only 2000 new cases a day (which means every 4 days it infects as many people that the SARs virus did) for the same length of time as the SARs outbreak, that's over 3,100,000 reported cases over a 6 month span. With a 2.13% fatality rate that is still 66,000 fatalities. Hopefully with preventive measures and quarantines we can slow that increase and of course contraction rates will decrease over time, but... it's still going to get worse before it get's better.

I want to reiterate that is the absolutely most conservative number you can come up with using the current statistics... and those current statistics are extremely dubious at best. The mayor of Wuhan said an estimated 5 million people left the city before it was quarantined... which was only a week and a few days ago, yet the virus has a two week incubation period... which means the number of people likely carrying the virus is significantly higher in foreign countries than these initial statistics indicate.

I was going to compare it to the flu, but honestly even doing the most bare minimum, conservative statistics was depressing enough.


Edits: And I apparently didn't calculate the mortality rate completely correct, because that assumes the 20,500+ who are infected all survive.


And it doesn't seem to be just killing old and young; the two who died today were in the mid-30s-40s range. What I am concerned about is if I catch it and surviving, I will likely spread it to my 77 year old mother who likely won't survive, and it will be my fault she contracted it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 04, 2020, 12:10:25 AM
No matter which bug, it is better to not get it, no matter how rare or common it is.  Virtue signaling over who has the more stylish virus is so ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on February 04, 2020, 02:29:15 AM
First case to officially show up in Belgium.

Gentlemen, it has been an honor.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 04, 2020, 07:56:09 AM
First case to officially show up in Belgium.

Gentlemen, it has been an honor.

This is a chance to take one for the team.  Not virtue signaling, but actual courage under fire.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on February 05, 2020, 08:26:41 AM
well we simply need to build a bigger wall.....
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on February 05, 2020, 08:49:24 AM
well we simply need to build a bigger wall.....
....and sweeping the forest wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on February 05, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Whats to prevent the evil chinese overlord wannabees' from infecting all our "made in china" MAGA hats? Or the new air jordans.....or who ever is the new nba guy with a massive shoe presence.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 05, 2020, 12:33:55 PM
well we simply need to build a bigger wall.....

Silly.  Bubble Boy setup.  Walls don't even stop Democrats ;-)

I don't think the Chinese meant for this to happen.  That would be paranoid.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 05, 2020, 08:52:19 PM
Whats to prevent the evil chinese overlord wannabees' from infecting all our "made in china" MAGA hats? Or the new air jordans.....or who ever is the new nba guy with a massive shoe presence.

considering most western retail outlets get their cloths from china, I'd just suggest not buying anything new period for a while.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 05, 2020, 11:17:40 PM
considering most western retail outlets get their cloths from china, I'd just suggest not buying anything new period for a while.

Well, if you don't wash new clothes before you wear them the first time ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 06, 2020, 12:35:53 AM
Don't freak out and be sure to take this with bucket full of salt, but tencent briefly reported much higher coronavirus infections/deaths (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594) before adjusting those figures to the official government statistics.  I dunno if these sorts of allegations have merit, though this is definitely something that should be looked into in the fullness of time.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on February 06, 2020, 08:02:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbSpnlOOtE
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on February 06, 2020, 08:58:25 AM
Don't freak out and be sure to take this with bucket full of salt, but tencent briefly reported much higher coronavirus infections/deaths (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594) before adjusting those figures to the official government statistics.  I dunno if these sorts of allegations have merit, though this is definitely something that should be looked into in the fullness of time.
I don't know if these allegations have merit either, but we can make reasonable extrapolations from government behaivor we see around the world, as well as our own so called "more perfect union."  Governments lie.  They have the power to do it.  They have ulterior motives, and any time a president promises full disclosure or transparency, I have yet to see one in my lifetime stick by that.  In addition, people like certain lies, which makes it easier still for the government to lie to them.

In this case we have but a few sources we can trust.  All we've got are a handful of scientific experts in different parts of the world that are raising a red flag, but I don't think the experts working on ground zero have any need or desire to conspire.  They are just sending a warning.  The highest tier in the chain is the government, which usually disregards science, or capitalizes on science to achieve it's own agenda.  It spins absolutely any information it can get its hands on to suit its needs. When sorting through information, comments from the government receive a high level of skepticism.  Scientists, when in agreement, are a bit more reliable.  Utube bloggers just want to be on the internet. They have opinions, but not much else.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 06, 2020, 11:41:54 AM
When it is clear that the Tide Pods people have replaced you, you are just detergent ;-)

“Li Wenliang, a doctor in China who was allegedly detained for warning others about the coronavirus before he himself was sickened by the illness, has died.”

He was 34 years old.  Tested positive on Jan 30.  Died 7 days later.  Move on, nothing to see here ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on February 06, 2020, 03:08:28 PM
It looks like Washington State might be out of the woods. The man in Snohomish County who got infected has mostly recovered, and there's still no evidence that he infected anyone else.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 07, 2020, 11:38:29 AM
Coming to a totalitarian location near you ... Big Doctor, not Big Brother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-eM4IM-PfY

Dean Koontz, American author, wrote a novel, The Eyes Of Darkness, in 1981, that foreshadows what we see now in Wuhan.  Though the fictional virus weapon is much more effective than the real virus.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 07, 2020, 06:11:32 PM
"Citizen Journalists Who Exposed Beijing's Lies In Wuhan Have Suddenly Vanished" ... Communism good for journalism.

"400 million now in quarantine" ... move on, nothing to see here.

"Wuhan Institute Of Virology And Chinese Army Submit Patent For Gilead Anti-Ebola Drug To Fight Coronavirus" ... Chinese capitalism?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 07, 2020, 10:33:35 PM
Coming to a totalitarian location near you ... Big Doctor, not Big Brother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-eM4IM-PfY

Dean Koontz, American author, wrote a novel, The Eyes Of Darkness, in 1981, that foreshadows what we see now in Wuhan.  Though the fictional virus weapon is much more effective than the real virus.

I mean theres no question on it being a totalitarian country. Thats the one upside to something like this, how much it exposes what places like china and north korea are like with its own people and how it wants the rest of the world to think they are instead of what their really like.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 07, 2020, 10:56:32 PM
Governments lie.  They have the power to do it.
Absolutely.  The PRC in particular has a rich history of distorting the truth.  But is that going on in this case?  We don't know.  And not liking someone or knowing that they have a criminal past doesn't automatically mean they did a particular crime.  That stuff has to be substantiated.  Until it is, we can't say one way or another.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 07, 2020, 11:03:18 PM
And the earlier reports that said that coronavirus can be transmitted before the onset of symptoms is apparently false (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/health/wuhan-coronavirus-flawed-report/index.html).

That's good news.  But it once again underscores the need for reliable information and problem of spreading false information online.  My bad.  :(
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 08, 2020, 01:26:15 AM
And the earlier reports that said that coronavirus can be transmitted before the onset of symptoms is apparently false (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/health/wuhan-coronavirus-flawed-report/index.html).

That's good news.  But it once again underscores the need for reliable information and problem of spreading false information online.  My bad.  :(

There is now a report, that a person once infected and recovered, can be reinfected, because one's anti-bodies aren't persistent enough.  But that of course is unverified.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on February 08, 2020, 01:39:01 AM
The Kung Flu really isn't any more dangerous than regular flu.

I had a conspiracy theorist try to tell me this is an accidentally released bio-weapon.  It's a pretty crappy bio-weapon if it is.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 08, 2020, 10:19:39 AM
The Kung Flu really isn't any more dangerous than regular flu.

I had a conspiracy theorist try to tell me this is an accidentally released bio-weapon.  It's a pretty crappy bio-weapon if it is.

Possibly so.  We will know better by May (estimated date when it burns out, in conditions of no vaccine).

Yes, every time we have the flu in the US, I think quarantine of 330 million people sounds good to me ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 08, 2020, 12:46:54 PM
"Canadian Scientist At Center Of Chinese Bio-Espionage Probe Found Dead In Africa?" ... mysterious death of mysterious man at center of bio-espionage in Canada.

"Chinese Biowarfare Agents At Harvard University Caught Smuggling Viruses" ... Harvard professor accused.  One of the grad students was a lieutenant in the Chinese military.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
The Kung Flu really isn't any more dangerous than regular flu.

I had a conspiracy theorist try to tell me this is an accidentally released bio-weapon.  It's a pretty crappy bio-weapon if it is.
It's not necessary to imagine government (or other) weapons, nature can, and does, do quite well on its own bringing these things to us - with no malice at all.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 08, 2020, 03:17:11 PM
It's not necessary to imagine government (or other) weapons, nature can, and does, do quite well on its own bringing these things to us - with no malice at all.

Per my Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon ancestors, nature is hostile in tooth and nail.  Without civilization nobody would be posting anything, or live past 35 years old.  But yes, it must be quite a challenge to determine man-made vs nature-made gene changes, given that natural ones can be quite complicated.

"Crossover occurs when two chromosomes, normally two homologous instances of the same chromosome, break and then reconnect but to the different end piece. If they break at the same place or locus in the sequence of base pairs, the result is an exchange of genes, called genetic recombination."

Some say, nature keeps trying to kill of the Y-chromosome.  This makes Mother Nature quite the feminist ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 08, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
Nature is not hostile, it's completely indifferent. It couldn't care less if we live or die, suffer or thrive.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 09, 2020, 12:13:21 AM
Nature is not hostile, it's completely indifferent. It couldn't care less if we live or die, suffer or thrive.

but ... you mirror that in your own attitude?  Sorry, as a humanist, I will always side with people, no matter how stupid they are ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 09, 2020, 05:26:08 AM
but ... you mirror that in your own attitude?  Sorry, as a humanist, I will always side with people, no matter how stupid they are ;-)

My grandmother had a humanist funeral, which instead of claiming where her soul ended up, instead celebrated her life and all she brought to the world in her children and their children
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 09, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
Quote
The Kung Flu really isn't any more dangerous than regular flu.

I have no idea what the Kung Flu is, but if you mean the Wuhan Flu then that is just statistically wrong by every metric.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on February 09, 2020, 06:00:45 PM
I have no idea what the Kung Flu is, but if you mean the Wuhan Flu then that is just statistically wrong by every metric.
This year's flu season has had a mortality rate of about 7%, while the novel coronavirus ("Kung Flu") is closer to 2%. It is literally less than a third as deadly.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 09, 2020, 09:07:49 PM
This year's flu season has had a mortality rate of about 7%, while the novel coronavirus ("Kung Flu") is closer to 2%. It is literally less than a third as deadly.

Unfortunately the stats are misinterpreted.  Today's deaths have to be related to new confirmed patients of 7 or more days ago (assuming it takes 7 or more days to kill you).  I hear that people with this can be in intensive care for a lot longer than 7 days and survive it.  So basically, apples vs oranges comparison by ignorant reporters, via sloppiness in actual patient aggregation.

The press reports a much smaller typical flu mortality rate, but given the previous, I doubt it is correct.

So for example ...

Patient A1, A2 etc got diagnosed as having it on Feb 1 ... if it only kills you, after 7 days exactly, then the death stats are relevant on Feb 8, because those are the same patients, not patients who were diagnosed earlier or later.  I  have had to do patient stats, after the fact (infant wellness checks).  Hard to do, because nobody keeps patient stats at that level of detail, you basically have to review all relevant patient charts after the fact (and medical staff are unavailable to do this).  This doesn't happen in normal times, let alone while medical staff are dropping dead (they have more important things to worry about).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 09, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
A pretty glaring difference is that there are vaccines for the regular flu.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 09, 2020, 09:23:03 PM
A pretty glaring difference is that there are vaccines for the regular flu.

Correct, if one takes them before hand (and a new one every year).  And Chinese statistics are always too low, if it isn't good news for the Communists.  We will never know the actual numbers, because it is a Chinese state secret.  How to count the fatalities if the Chinese Army is going door to door shooting anyone who is sick, but hasn't cued to their makeshift hospitals (which may be pre-crematoria).  If there are enough infections outside of China (10,000 is statistically significant), in more democratic nations, then we may or may not see the real statistics.  Assuming our nations are even capable of being honest.  Again, to prevent panic and keep bio-weapons secret ...

PS - current statistics say?? 18% of victims get viral pneumonia.  That is what kills.  Without hospitalization, the death rate would be closer to 18%.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 10, 2020, 12:31:55 PM
More news ...

"Does A Sudden Surge In SO2 Levels Suggest A Huge Surge In Cremations Across China?" ... seen over Wuhan, and in Chungking, upriver from Wuhan.

'"Diamond Princess' Reports 66 New Coronavirus Infections As Passenger Insists 'Everything Is Fine'" ... being in a confined space, with patients, like an airplane or cruise ship, is a ship of fools.  This is the one at anchor off Japan.  Like schools filled with children, airplanes and cruise ships are petri dishes.

"Nine Members Of Hong Kong Family Infected WIth Coronavirus After Sharing Meal" ... also Chinese tradition of shared extended family meals ;-(



Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on February 10, 2020, 09:42:29 PM
Lard, help us!,,
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 10, 2020, 10:12:04 PM
This year's flu season has had a mortality rate of about 7%, while the novel coronavirus ("Kung Flu") is closer to 2%. It is literally less than a third as deadly.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm)

The CDC reports the flu mortality rate is 0.05%. I don't know where that 7% is from and I cant find anything to back it, but it definitely doesn't match official government records.


If the flu's actual mortality rate was 7%, that would mean at least 1.54 million Americans died of flu just this season.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 10, 2020, 11:04:26 PM
Lard, help us!,,

Pray to Crisco, it is less fattening than actual lard.

People die from drowning in their lung fluids, or from general organ failure (which sounds a bit like the secondary effect of HIV to me).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 11, 2020, 12:32:56 PM
More plague news ...

"Pig ebola decimating millions of pigs in China; Coronavirus infecting tens of thousands in China and around the globe, and now bird flu killing Germany's chickens." ... gotta stop live shipment of livestock, and travel of humans.

"WHO Names Virus 'COVID-19', Warns "Must Do Everything Now... Vaccine Will Take 18 Months"" ... too late ;-(

"Hong Kong Coronavirus Expert Warns Outbreak Could Infect "Between 60%-80%" Of Humanity, Causing 51 Million Deaths" ... statistical science projection, and scientists are always right.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 11, 2020, 02:58:22 PM
Well, we needn't worry. Trump says the coronavirus will be gone in April, when things heat up.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 12, 2020, 02:59:21 PM
"This Is What Happened After One Chinese Company Rushed To Reopen After The Corona-Chaos" ... one employee came back to work, infected.  The whole staff of hundreds then had to go into quarantine.

""Angry People Will No Longer Be Afraid" - 1000s Of Chinese Miltary/Police Quarantined, Dozens Diagnosed After CCP Lies" ... military (even submarine crew), criminal police and political police who have been involved in quarantine of 400 million other Chinese, are becoming potentially infected.  Taking them out of action at the least.  Once all the enforcement arm of the Chinese communist party are immobilized ... can the Chinese communist party survive?

"India's Leaders Claim Drinking Cow Urine Will Cure Covid-19" ... India's plan is to use sacred cows ... because they have nothing else, if the coronavirus spreads in India.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on February 13, 2020, 01:57:25 AM
Up to 14 cases now in the US, but the new ones cropped up in the quarantine facilities which isn't too surprising. The CDC's pretty much got this thing locked down, and for that I am thankful. At least someone has the damned thing under control.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 13, 2020, 05:52:31 AM
Been one or two more popping up in the UK, but their people who came back from Wuhan and doctors facilities where a patient was taken in suspected of it, so far it's being pretty well contained
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 13, 2020, 12:38:12 PM
Been one or two more popping up in the UK, but their people who came back from Wuhan and doctors facilities where a patient was taken in suspected of it, so far it's being pretty well contained

Not in San Diego CA ... they mistakenly let out of quarantine, a person who tested positive.  Sick people have rights, superior to well bigots! ;-)

"Some coronavirus testing kits are defective, CDC says" ... yeah, team ;-(
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 13, 2020, 01:32:11 PM
Up to 14 cases now in the US, but the new ones cropped up in the quarantine facilities which isn't too surprising. The CDC's pretty much got this thing locked down, and for that I am thankful. At least someone has the damned thing under control.

And I hear that Trump wants to cut the budget of the CDC by 16%.

But he's a stable genius...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wTCknfXJGs
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 13, 2020, 03:38:01 PM
Update my boyfriend just showed me this example of Darwinism at work.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-face-mask-shortage-threatens-uk-dentists-11933071

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 13, 2020, 03:40:12 PM
Not that I care, but President Trump won't get what he proposes, thru Congress.  Not that he should, all Presidents should be opposed, including George W and Barak.  If Congress did their job, we wouldn't be in 6 wars right now.

Meanwhile in epidemiology, not politics ...

"US Military Initiates "Global Campaign Plan For Pandemic"" ... a year ago, I would be hip deep in this petri dish.

"China Reports Huge Jump In New Coronavirus Infections And Deaths" ... China partially gave up on their happy-happy-hippo stats.

"Sudden Militarization Of Wuhan's P4 Lab Raises New Questions About The Origin Of The Deadly Covid-19 Virus" ... China removed the existing senior medical officials in Wuhan, and put the PLA in charge, including their chief Maj Gen Chen Wei (a woman), China's chief biochemical weapons defense expert.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 13, 2020, 03:41:22 PM
Update my boyfriend just showed me this example of Darwinism at work.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-face-mask-shortage-threatens-uk-dentists-11933071

And this defense doesn't impact the infection, viruses go right thru.  It only prevents a sick person shooting body fluids all over.  You have to wear a max-bio-isolation suit to keep the virus from reaching you.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 14, 2020, 03:15:19 PM
"First Mass Quarantine Outside Of China: Vietnam Puts Area With 10,000 Residents Under Coronavirus Quarantine" ... quarantine in place.  Individual Western people brought back from China have already been put in quarantine.

"China Has Ground To A Halt: "On The Ground" Indicators Confirm Worst-Case Scenario" ... some ting wong

"China Vows To Put An End To "Lab Leakage Of Pathogenic Microorganisms And Various Samples"" ... too little too late

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 14, 2020, 06:56:40 PM
"China's NHC have disclosed for the first time that 1,716 medical workers have been infected across the country" ... worst case, once all medical personnel are down, there is nobody to take care of the critically ill patients in the wards.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2020, 05:59:19 AM
"There are now 15 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the US and more than 600 people remain in quarantine." ... not just military medicine has been activated but ...

"People in the US experiencing flu-like symptoms will be screened for the latest coronavirus that originated from China, officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced during a briefing on Friday, adding that it will roll out 5 labs, in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle, to screen patients through the ominously sounding "national flu surveillance program"; if that wasn't bad enough, they also said the program is likely to expand as more confirmed cases are expected in the coming days and weeks.

Justifying the move, CDC officials said that there could be undetected cases of the mysterious illness in communities across the US, as the country experiences a dramatic spike in flu as the season approaches its halfway point.

The agency plans to expand to more cities until it has achieved "national surveillance"."
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 17, 2020, 01:00:19 PM
More good news ...

"Armed Thieves Steal Truckload Of Toilet Paper In Hong Kong Amid Worsening Shortage Of Basic Goods" ... no shit?

"Chinese Banks Are Quarantining Cash, Destroying 'Dirty' Money" ... then reissuing fresh cash.

"Hubei Doctors Warn Of Even-Deadlier Coronavirus Reinfection Causing Sudden Heart Attacks" ... part of the rumored deaths related to organ failure, rather than pneumonia.


Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 17, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
"There are now 15 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the US and more than 600 people remain in quarantine." ... not just military medicine has been activated but ...

"People in the US experiencing flu-like symptoms will be screened for the latest coronavirus that originated from China, officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced during a briefing on Friday, adding that it will roll out 5 labs, in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle, to screen patients through the ominously sounding "national flu surveillance program"; if that wasn't bad enough, they also said the program is likely to expand as more confirmed cases are expected in the coming days and weeks.

Justifying the move, CDC officials said that there could be undetected cases of the mysterious illness in communities across the US, as the country experiences a dramatic spike in flu as the season approaches its halfway point.

The agency plans to expand to more cities until it has achieved "national surveillance"."

Glad I didn't go to the doctor when I was sick the last two weeks then. Probably would have been quarantined with someone who actually had it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 17, 2020, 02:50:59 PM
Glad I didn't go to the doctor when I was sick the last two weeks then. Probably would have been quarantined with someone who actually had it.

You never know.  There are still people, outside China that are slipping thru, or even found positive and mistakenly let go.  And not all detection kits are effective.  Yes, medicine isn't perfect, but it is better than the alternative (cow piss in India).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 17, 2020, 11:26:12 PM
Los Alamos gets to jump the shark ...

"Los Alamos Experts Warn Covid-19 "Almost Certainly Cannot Be Contained", Project Up To 4.4 Million Dead" ... of course mostly in Third World countries, currently being exploited by Chinese neo-colonialism.  Coincidence?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 17, 2020, 11:55:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZFOAHCE.png)

The latest chart.  New infections appear to be leveling off, with mainland China by far taking the worst of it and other regions maintaining their comparatively small numbers - it has not blossomed into the global disaster that was initially feared (though the night is still young)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on February 18, 2020, 03:06:10 AM
Los Alamos gets to jump the shark ...

"Los Alamos Experts Warn Covid-19 "Almost Certainly Cannot Be Contained", Project Up To 4.4 Million Dead" ... of course mostly in Third World countries, currently being exploited by Chinese neo-colonialism.  Coincidence?
This is usually the part in Plague Inc. where countries start closing their borders and you lose your opportunity to infect Greenland.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 18, 2020, 08:50:10 AM
Nothing to see here, citizen ... move on.  Please don't get upset if we weld your door shut so you can't get to food.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on February 18, 2020, 08:54:01 AM
Well i for one am self inoculating with every version of Corona that they make. Should make for a nice couple night drunks.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 18, 2020, 08:55:57 AM
Well i for one am self inoculating with every version of Corona that they make. Should make for a nice couple night drunks.

Methyl alcohol on the outside, ethyl alcohol on the inside ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2020, 10:29:03 AM
"Thousands Ordered To Work From Home As Experts Warn Japan Is "On The Cusp Of A Large Outbreak"" .. hope it is an unnecessary precaution.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 19, 2020, 02:35:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iNbPEjnL1M
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 19, 2020, 02:52:51 PM
Maybe the anchient virus will combat the Corona virus and the two will cancel each other out.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 19, 2020, 03:07:36 PM
Yeah, we'll just have to wait until they duke it out!  LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2020, 07:49:39 PM
"China To Change Definition Of Coronavirus "Infection" Again In Pursuit Of Fewer Cases" ... US GDP, Unemployment Rate and Inflation Rate has been under creative accounting since the mid-80s.

760 million Chinese in lockdown, half of the population ... seems they are making progress.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 19, 2020, 10:48:09 PM
It sucks to say, but it is "good" that the Wuhan virus hit China and not somewhere with... better human rights standards. Their ability to effectively and completely isolate and detain their citizens has been massive in slowing it down.

Of course, with higher standards of living and not nearly as much corruption, it wouldn't have been a problem in the first place...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 20, 2020, 03:18:57 AM
Yes, better it hit a totalitarian society with a lot of money and control then a poor nation. However it's also a case that because of in the Chinese culture people think they can kill and eat anything they want, it's as much to blame for why the virus spread in the first place, if that hubris lead to people eating something they really shouldn't.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 20, 2020, 10:04:18 AM
Yes, better it hit a totalitarian society with a lot of money and control then a poor nation. However it's also a case that because of in the Chinese culture people think they can kill and eat anything they want, it's as much to blame for why the virus spread in the first place, if that hubris lead to people eating something they really shouldn't.

That isn't clear, but an early hypothesis.  Yes, dictatorships make the trains run on time.  That is why I support them ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 20, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Yes, better it hit a totalitarian society with a lot of money and control then a poor nation. However it's also a case that because of in the Chinese culture people think they can kill and eat anything they want, it's as much to blame for why the virus spread in the first place, if that hubris lead to people eating something they really shouldn't.



Not even a poor nation; imagine a similar outbreak happening in the U.S. or U.K. , or most of Europe... do you think the people would stand for the massive quarantines? That the governments would be willing to take the massive public image hit of doing what it takes to contain it?

I'm not sure about that. And yes, this one came from really shitty standards and is a self-inflicted wound... but the plague is due another round, and it could start anywhere.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 20, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
Not even a poor nation; imagine a similar outbreak happening in the U.S. or U.K. , or most of Europe... do you think the people would stand for the massive quarantines? That the governments would be willing to take the massive public image hit of doing what it takes to contain it?

I'm not sure about that. And yes, this one came from really shitty standards and is a self-inflicted wound... but the plague is due another round, and it could start anywhere.

Yeah. Still it comes down to the cause of it, if it was due to eating something they shouldn't have, one hopes they find out how why and where, and fir the sake of not repeating it learn how to avoid it in the future.

Of course if an ancient virus releases from the permafrost we have no immunity to then we're all fucked
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 20, 2020, 05:26:40 PM
If your gene test shows you are part wooly mammoth ;-) ... then a permafrost xeno-germ probably won't hurt you ;-))
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 21, 2020, 07:52:21 AM
New medical term ... self isolation.  Better than the Chinese method of welding your apartment door shut and leaving you to die ;-)

6,700 self isolating in California now.  Numbers growing rapidly in S Korea and Japan.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 21, 2020, 01:24:17 PM
I guess that's moderately better than self-immolating.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 21, 2020, 04:49:19 PM
I guess that's moderately better than self-immolating.

That only works if you are a Vietnamese Buddhist monk in the early 60s protesting the war in Saigon.  Introverts of course don't suffer much from self-isolation.  A large apartment block that shares HVAC or a cruise ship ... don't count as places of self isolation.

There is plenty of evidence, 2006-2007 and more recently, that virus weapons are being developed.  The Cold War agreements between the US and the Soviet Union didn't include China, which is pursuing their own aggressive fantasies.  Weaponized anthrax and small pox were feared back in 2001, but a bio-engineered virus is much more effective ;-(.

For the biology minded ...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1363710/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/yorkslincs/series11/week8_flu.shtml
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 21, 2020, 11:56:53 PM
US hits 35. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/21/health/cdc-coronavirus-update/index.html)  Quite a jump from 14.  Of those 21, 18 are from the Diamond Princess and 3 are from Japan.  Hopefully, these stay under wraps and don't spread any further.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2020, 03:22:56 AM
US hits 35. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/21/health/cdc-coronavirus-update/index.html)  Quite a jump from 14.  Of those 21, 18 are from the Diamond Princess and 3 are from Japan.  Hopefully, these stay under wraps and don't spread any further.

Should you be suspicious of any cheap cruise offers now? ;-(  I was once taken-in by a travel scam out of a boiler room in Florida, but plague wasn't included, that cost extra ;-)

PS ...

"S.Korea Coronavirus Cases Go Exponential As New Infections Soar By 70%; 10 Towns In Northern Italy Put On Lockdown" ... I bet Italy is glad now, that they have 300,000 Chinese guest workers!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 22, 2020, 04:02:32 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L6r74kosn00

Interesting. Both gives a look into what societal influence is like when paired up with a cult like mentality, probably assumed they were immune due to their faith but ultimately made the problems far more reaching
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2020, 05:47:24 PM
Korean native religion is female shamanistic.  This impacts the other religions there, including Christianity.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
"Hundreds Of Animals Drop Dead In China After Being Poisoned By Virus Disinfectant" ... dead if you do, dead if you don't.

In Japan, about 2 dozen people let off of the cruise ship were never even tested for coronavirus first.

NIMBY Orange County CA is resisting having any quarantine unit set up there.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 22, 2020, 07:30:24 PM
Coronavirus compared to selected other outbreaks:

https://i.imgur.com/McngqWL.mp4

Granted, it's no Spanish Flu, but it's no joke, either.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2020, 10:32:23 PM
Stats are inaccurate for China and N Korea.  It is just "breakout" in Japan, S Korea and Italy.  Unfortunately Spanish Flu lasted a whole year worldwide, thanks to massive troop movements coming home from WW I, it spread quickly.  Now we have intercontinental air travel (which brings us Ebola and other love bugs).  The Bubonic Plague lasted 4 years initially in Europe, but killed fewer people (but higher percentage) ta the Spanish Flu.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 23, 2020, 08:56:04 AM
"Researchers Find 61.5% Of Coronavirus Patients With Severe Pneumonia Won't Survive" ... if you are vulnerable, and you get a severe case ... not surprising that our survival rate goes way down.  Time for you smokers to quit smoking and vaping.

"Most Patients In South Korean Psychiatric Ward Infected With Coronavirus" ... how come Congress is immune? ;-)

"Italy announces 79 cases, declares "national emergency"; Northern Italy put on lockdown." ... Mamma mia!  Time to send those Chinese quest workers back?

"Chinese scientists find virus in urine" ... third world countries lacking toilets, beware!

"Experts propose 27 day quarantine, say 14 days likely not long enough" ... because of severity of reaction in reinfection, how about a 12 month quarantine?


Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2020, 12:48:19 AM
"Chinese Scientists Find Coronavirus Did Not Originate In Wuhan Seafood Market" ... another report claims, that the bio-virus lab in Wuhan has been demolished.  Wonder why?  Bite of infected bat started this, the bat being a test subject at the lab?  Usually it should give you super-bat powers ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on February 24, 2020, 11:31:16 AM
Coronavirus compared to selected other outbreaks:

https://i.imgur.com/McngqWL.mp4

Granted, it's no Spanish Flu, but it's no joke, either.
Playing the video is more alarming than the initial static.  These things are never fun.  The first I can remember was an epidemic in high school somewhere in the 1950s.  One of my classes (normally consisting of 30 students) was down to 7 students for several days.  Making up all missed assignments was suspended for two weeks.  Then I got it after the two week suspension and had to make up my assignments.  There was another one that hit in 1967, which was the worst, and I was painfully sick.  I understood why people died from the flu.  In college, I remember watching an epidemic spread through the dormitory.  The question was not if you would get it but when. That one was bad, but not the worst.  It's been awhile since we've had a bad one.  There have been several alarms, but the last 30 or 40 years have been sort of germ free.  We are probably due for a bad one.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2020, 12:25:21 PM
Mostly I am thankful, that unlike older contemporaries, thanks to Dr Salk, I wasn't vulnerable to polio.  Don't know anyone who ever had it.  Had a couple flu cases.  Worse was stomach flu in 9th grade.  No fun at all.  Kids get things.  As an adult got bad bronchitis once, about 20 years ago.  Dry cough lasted a week.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 24, 2020, 01:39:51 PM
I've only known one guy, that I remember, who'd had polio. One of his legs was stick thin, but otherwise he was a big, healthy guy.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on February 24, 2020, 02:26:20 PM
I knew a guy in his mid to late teens who had polio years before I met him.  He had a massive upper body remarkable for a guy that young, but his legs kind of dangled as he held him self up on crutches.  A friend told me he got that upper body from walking on crutches for half his life, but I doubt that now.  I suspect he spent a lot of time doing bench presses and probably taking steroids.  There were other people I saw who were probably polio victims, at least there used to be a lot of people on crutches.

I remember my family talking about polio, and they reminded me to wash my hands.  For scourge that polio was, it was one of those things that just happened to people, pretty much random it seemed, and those crutch people are gone now.  I was in elementary grades when the school was treating classes with the new vaccine.  First we had sugar cubes from the nurse, and somewhat later we were given the shots that were supposed to be better.  I remember our class going in a line down to the room where it was done.  To me, it was just getting out of class and doing what I was told.  And then the scourge quietly passed away, making it seem like polio was never a bother, and now we have parents afraid to vaccinate their children.  We used to laugh at those religious lunatics that refused to let their kids get a life saving transfusion or special medical treatment, but now you don't have to be a religious nut job, you can just be an ordinary nut job without the religious stigma. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2020, 03:07:30 PM
""It's Total Panic" - Store-Shelves Empty As Virus-Spread Sparks Panic-Buying Food & Masks Across Italy" ... they are calling it a "zombie apocalypse", and other European countries are starting to limit travel of Italians to their countries.  Capiche!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 24, 2020, 03:12:03 PM
My boyfriend has an online friend from Italy who was telling him what it's like where he lives (forgot the town name), that his local town is a ghost town, everyones locked themselves indoors
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2020, 03:14:02 PM
My boyfriend has an online friend from Italy who was telling him what it's like where he lives (forgot the town name), that his local town is a ghost town, everyones locked themselves indoors

Don't do this at home kids, unless you got plenty of pasta and marinara from the store first!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on February 24, 2020, 06:24:51 PM
https://deadline.com/2020/02/media-stocks-down-market-lower-coronavirus-scare-1202866687/

Dow dropped 1,031 points today (it's third-worse drop ever) due to fears over Italy, Iran and South Korea's recent outbreaks.

Fun times.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on February 24, 2020, 07:30:16 PM
Now, nearly a month later, there are now 79.571 cases of the Covid-19 coronavirus.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2020, 07:44:51 PM
Now, nearly a month later, there are now 79.571 cases of the Covid-19 coronavirus.

When this gets to the Third World ... the numbers will bet higher.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 24, 2020, 08:12:51 PM
GB actually puts out something useful and positive ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXOC-2yrCSw
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 24, 2020, 11:36:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gmbhkn9.png)

I really don't like this curve.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2020, 10:26:48 AM
Human beings don't usually understand the exponential curve (repeated doubling over fixed time period).  We can barely understand straight lines ;-)  Technically, a straight line going up ad infinitum at a positive slope should also bother you!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Well, people have been predicting for some time that nature would have the last laugh. Maybe that's what's about to happen.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 25, 2020, 04:01:43 PM
Well, people have been predicting for some time that nature would have the last laugh. Maybe that's what's about to happen.

The black death killed a large percentage of humanity, and yet look at its population now

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2020, 04:28:03 PM
Yeah, good point. I've heard that the Black Death initiated the industrial revolution, sine so many workers were dead.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2020, 04:40:09 PM


Here's a good video about the Black Death:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNm0d7-OLKY
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2020, 05:02:04 PM
Well, people have been predicting for some time that nature would have the last laugh. Maybe that's what's about to happen.

What?  No laughing gas out of volcanic cracks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0d8kpybVg

Rumor only ... in Wuhan the mass hospital beds are too few, so not-dead-yet are being put in body bags and sent to the crematoria anyway ;-(
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2020, 05:53:27 PM
"CORONAVIRUS QUARANTINE BROKEN IN ITALY, MARKETS RAIDED N PANIC, ITALY SHOCKED BY SPEED OF VIRUS" .... oops, just like San Diego USA.  New Monty Python skit .... "Bring out your pasta ..." shelves are already empty.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 25, 2020, 06:02:37 PM
Well, Trump says everything is under control, so I guess we don't have anything to worry about...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 25, 2020, 06:48:57 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rTStmOaKLJk

It really shouldn't be compared to the black death, as the health minister said 4/5 cases of the virus getting it only produced mild flu or cold like symptoms.
I'd stress this again to, people die of the common flu each year at the same rate, so if you don't do anything stupid like thinking you have it and then going to a ball game, it's likely no more will come of this then a flu outbreak.
And we're not seeing end of the world headlines from the yearly flu outbreak
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2020, 10:19:50 PM
Well, Trump says everything is under control, so I guess we don't have anything to worry about...

"Yes, Trump has the best brain of all" - Megamind
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2020, 10:23:37 PM
"China Cancels Top Political Meeting As Virus Crisis Worsens" .... Comrades worried that if Emperor Xi has a coughing fit, it is really a purge of the Communist party ...

"8,000 Californians Under "Self-Imposed Quarantine", South Korea Locks Down City Of 2.5 Million People: Virus Updates" ... maybe just an over-reaction then?  Maybe the point is to prevent people from going to work, or even going to caucus or primary?

"Iranian Deputy Health Minister Infected With Coronavirus Seen Looking Feverish During Official Press Conference"... Iranian stupidity, he should be isolated!

"Red Gold: China's Stealth Plan To Use Precious Metals For World Domination"" ... mentioned this years ago, were the gold sold by Gordon Brown went off to.  If half the Chinese die, then the per capita gold holding doubles for the same amount of gold ... a win?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 26, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
C.D.C. Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us.html



It may be worse than I thought - and I'm a pessimist.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on February 26, 2020, 04:32:09 PM
Per the government we should all have at least 2-weeks of supplies in case of a major emergency. I don't think that's enough. There are 10 people in this town I give a really give a shit about, and for several years I've had a goal of stockpiling enough food to last the 10 of us for 3 months. I've been working on it slowly over time, but this pandemic threat kicked me into high gear. Over the last few days I have ordered about $1600 of additional food stuff. Once it all shows up I'll have enough to feed the 10 of us 2000 calories a day, not counting the calories in the oil and sugar, for 90 days. 39 buckets, 90 #10 cans, 69 other assorted cans/bottles/boxes, and 99 non food items including lots of TP and four 100 lb propane tanks. I'm a little over $7000 into this. Almost $5700 of that in food.

(https://i.imgur.com/LZtNjfy.png)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on February 26, 2020, 04:55:57 PM
How religion is playing a role in the spread of coronavirus in Korea

https://qz.com/1808390/religion-is-at-the-heart-of-koreas-coronavirus-outbreak/

Religion is at the center of many lives in Korea. Now it’s at the center of a rapidly spreading contagion.

The largest number of Covid-19 infections outside of China is now in Korea. Health officials there have confirmed more than 1,000 cases and the virus has so far killed 11 people. About half those cases are linked to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, a group the government describes as a cult, prompting officials to test all 200,000 of its followers.

Authorities linked another cluster of cases to a church in the southern city of Busan, and yet another to a group of Catholic pilgrims returning from Israel. The virus also infected a number of people at the Myeongseong megachurch in Seoul, which has 80,000 congregants.

In response, the Catholic Church today suspended all masses in Korea. Buddhist temples and Protestant churches around the country have also suspended religious gatherings. Shincheonji halted its services too. The moves to limit religious activity in Korea are by no means specific to Korea—churches and temples in Singapore and Hong Kong have made similar decisions. But organized religion has played a far bigger role in the spread of Covid-19 in Korea.

Explaining the linkages between religion and the outbreak in Korea, Francis Jae-ryong Song, a professor in sociology at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, described the country as a “zealous Christian state.” She said many Korean Christians have an “evangelical mindset” and their religious activities, like attending worship sessions and outreach multiple times a week, and their unwillingness to curb those activities, may have led to the large-scale spread of the contagion. ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2020, 05:58:13 PM
C.D.C. Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us.html



It may be worse than I thought - and I'm a pessimist.

"SAN FRANCISCO DECLARES EMERGENCY OVER CORONAVIRUS, CDC SAYS ITS COMING, PEOPLE FIGHTING OVER FOOD" ... take care ... and remember, people taste like chicken ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2020, 06:00:09 PM
How religion is playing a role in the spread of coronavirus in Korea

https://qz.com/1808390/religion-is-at-the-heart-of-koreas-coronavirus-outbreak/

Religion is at the center of many lives in Korea. Now it’s at the center of a rapidly spreading contagion.

The largest number of Covid-19 infections outside of China is now in Korea. Health officials there have confirmed more than 1,000 cases and the virus has so far killed 11 people. About half those cases are linked to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, a group the government describes as a cult, prompting officials to test all 200,000 of its followers.

Authorities linked another cluster of cases to a church in the southern city of Busan, and yet another to a group of Catholic pilgrims returning from Israel. The virus also infected a number of people at the Myeongseong megachurch in Seoul, which has 80,000 congregants.

In response, the Catholic Church today suspended all masses in Korea. Buddhist temples and Protestant churches around the country have also suspended religious gatherings. Shincheonji halted its services too. The moves to limit religious activity in Korea are by no means specific to Korea—churches and temples in Singapore and Hong Kong have made similar decisions. But organized religion has played a far bigger role in the spread of Covid-19 in Korea.

Explaining the linkages between religion and the outbreak in Korea, Francis Jae-ryong Song, a professor in sociology at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, described the country as a “zealous Christian state.” She said many Korean Christians have an “evangelical mindset” and their religious activities, like attending worship sessions and outreach multiple times a week, and their unwillingness to curb those activities, may have led to the large-scale spread of the contagion. ...


"The doomsday church that is at the heart of South Korea’s COVID-19 crisis was holding prayer sermons in Wuhan, China, where the illness originated, until December." ... Jim Jones, Gangnam Style ;-(
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 26, 2020, 06:07:29 PM
people taste like chicken ;-)

How do chickens taste?









With their tongues, just like people!


LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2020, 06:08:52 PM
How do chickens taste?









With their tongues, just like people!


LOL

You old gizzard you!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 26, 2020, 06:30:35 PM
boyfriend told me how there was a report of a school in northern ireland where a student had come back from italy, and it caused the school to shut and all students, parents and teachers to be tested for the virus.
Thankfully there were no reported cases, guess the student came back before it hit areas of italy.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2020, 11:41:44 PM
boyfriend told me how there was a report of a school in northern ireland where a student had come back from italy, and it caused the school to shut and all students, parents and teachers to be tested for the virus.
Thankfully there were no reported cases, guess the student came back before it hit areas of italy.

Here is the problem .. the germ won't kill you, the social reaction will.  Shut down all human contact or 30 days, no work, no shopping.  Most humanity will be dead, except for Mormons (hmmm) who keep 1 year of food in the pantry.  The problem for China is letting people back to work, back to the store, too soon, and just bouncing the number of people infected up when people mix again.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on February 27, 2020, 01:28:29 AM
C.D.C. Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us.html



It may be worse than I thought - and I'm a pessimist.
It is worse than you thought: the Orange Disaster Area has put Ayatollah Pence in charge of the American coronavirus response (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51654494).  I would much rather it be someone who accepted science, and didn't have a nonzero chance of suggesting we pray our way out of it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2020, 07:47:13 AM
It is worse than you thought: the Orange Disaster Area has put Ayatollah Pence in charge of the American coronavirus response (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51654494).  I would much rather it be someone who accepted science, and didn't have a nonzero chance of suggesting we pray our way out of it.

That does have scary optics.  I think of Pence as a mortician.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 27, 2020, 02:02:26 PM
I can understand them trying to play down the fear of the masses, but sometimes the fear of the masses is a good thing, as long as they DON"T PANIC!


I suspect Trump just wanted a viable scapegoat, just in case...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2020, 03:42:34 PM
I would invite Dems to the top of the Mayan pyramid, just in case there is a solar eclipse ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2020, 03:49:26 PM
""The religious movement was founded in 1984 by Lee Man-hee, now 88, who claims to be an immortal prophet sent by Jesus Christ."" ... more detail on S Korean cult that may have propagated coronavirus in S Korea.

"Covid-19 Infects Iranian Vice President, Kills Iran Ambassador To Vatican" ... Muslims need to avoid mosques from now on.

"Scientists Discover HIV-Like "Mutation" Which Makes Coronavirus Extremely Infectious" ... backing debunked early Indian research.  Ability of this virus to penetrate cells is many times more efficient than SARS, uses technique found in Ebola and Aids.

"UK Government Document Warns Coronavirus Could Infect 80%, Kill Half A Million Brits" ... last but not least, and only worse-case ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: fencerider on February 27, 2020, 07:40:16 PM
Ability of this virus to penetrate cells is many times more efficient than SARS, uses technique found in Ebola and Aids.
you make it sound like the corona virus researched Ebola before it began its attack🤓
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: fencerider on February 27, 2020, 07:44:23 PM
Mike Pence the new Zharrrr of Viruses.

problem #1 - Trump does't have any legal authority to tell Pence what to do because Pence is legally part of the legislature.

problem #2 - Pence doesn't know a dam thing about viruses.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 27, 2020, 07:47:15 PM
Pence will probably try to pray it away.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SoldierofFortune on February 27, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
This virus warns all the humanity of the threat approaching.
Maybe it's not a threat but just a warning. oh, God please forbids.
I am sure that you have heard of what is called depopulation and it's a real thing i think.
The growth of the human population is not sustainable.
This World is possessed by some, and its destiny of course is being controlled.
The control is stronger and more violent than ever thanks to the improvments in the Technologies that serve to watch all the humanity.
All of us are being watched. Can you believe that they WHO are tech. owners can remotely read what is time shown by our handwatch, from outer space…
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 27, 2020, 08:00:58 PM
Malthus wouldn't be at all surprised, would he?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: fencerider on February 27, 2020, 08:12:37 PM
yellow fever is a big problem in China. some countries close by don't allow Chinese people to come in without proof that they don't have yellow fever.

🤔What is to keep a China-man from coming to US with yellow fever? There are vaccines available, but it's not a reg vaccine. Maybe the Dr has to order it instead of going in the backroom to get it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2020, 10:14:44 PM
If you don't control your border and have competent customs people, you get what you deserve ...

Pence as Czar is to take focus and pressure off of Dr Trump, from Dem demands that he provide instant gratification (didn't even happen with whores he was with).

The US has a Surgeon General (public health head, they do have uniforms), and Trump as CinC commands the whole military medical corp.

So, you only want a virologist from Johns Hopkins to be President?  A little late ...

I look forward to the depopulation of N America.  Best thing since 1492.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on February 27, 2020, 10:19:54 PM
you make it sound like the corona virus researched Ebola before it began its attack🤓

Or it was engineered that way...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2020, 10:26:20 PM
Or it was engineered that way...

We will never know.  Unless you die of coronavirus etc ... and you may know before I do.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 27, 2020, 10:43:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGW1iL88Fws

Uh ooooooh
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: fencerider on February 28, 2020, 12:58:57 AM
when is the Pope's next visit to the White House?😏
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on February 28, 2020, 07:51:16 AM
Trump will take credit for creating jobs replacing the stiffs lost to the virus. Then claim he got them raises due to demand. The man is a genius.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2020, 11:06:33 AM
Trump will take credit for creating jobs replacing the stiffs lost to the virus. Then claim he got them raises due to demand. The man is a genius.

Usual politics.  Present politician tries to get credit for what happened in the last 3 administrations, if it looks good on him.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2020, 01:24:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGW1iL88Fws

Uh ooooooh

He's got the best health care possible, all he's got to do is pray, and have all his minions pray for him, and God will fix him right up.

Uh...right?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2020, 01:55:20 PM
If the stock market goes down Trump loses money, and that's the only thing he cares about.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 28, 2020, 03:18:12 PM
my boyfriend feels concerned, not because of getting the virus, but what its gonna do to the stock market, given he works in a bank dealing with people internationally.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2020, 03:26:28 PM
Maybe this virus will at least show the world how interconnected we all are. We really do live in a global village.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2020, 06:22:24 PM
If the stock market goes down Trump loses money, and that's the only thing he cares about.

And Bloomberg, the Plutocrat behind the 2018 Dem win.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2020, 06:23:55 PM
my boyfriend feels concerned, not because of getting the virus, but what its gonna do to the stock market, given he works in a bank dealing with people internationally.

Iceland banks doing fine, German banks sinking even a year ago.  Wherever there is integrity, there is good banking.  Iceland was the only country to jail their bankers in 2008.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on February 28, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
my boyfriend feels concerned, not because of getting the virus, but what its gonna do to the stock market, given he works in a bank dealing with people internationally.
I have dropped 30 grand in 4 days. I am with your boyfriend.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on February 28, 2020, 08:12:46 PM
I have dropped 30 grand in 4 days. I am with your boyfriend.

I live in happy ignorance when it comes to our investments and gladly let my husband deal with it.

My husband: "Do you realize we lost $50,000 in the past 24 hours?"

Me: "I don't understand the question and I won't respond to it."

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/54006d52e4b006127c1f7a84/1495714471437-VL85SW6Z4HVKQZMSB3QV/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPn7l8VF0ul5657vn5G8p_VZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZUJFbgE-7XRK3dMEBRBhUpxby18C5SMthi8CdCg5q5IihKyYADwNdd8R2tPGLRn3H58ZTbA-X0bWBLzjMSwQWnw/image-asset.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 28, 2020, 09:14:22 PM
investments are as fickle as karma.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 29, 2020, 12:15:27 AM
I have dropped 30 grand in 4 days.
Me too.  Hell, I dropped a hundred grand.






...it turns out there was a hole in the candy box that I could barely afford.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on February 29, 2020, 12:16:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rmu0WeC.png)

Infection, "recovery", reinfection.  Fun times.  This is like some 28 Weeks Later stuff right here.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 29, 2020, 02:01:09 AM
I have dropped 30 grand in 4 days. I am with your boyfriend.

So sorry!  I worry about Cavebear, being all in on Wall Street.  One could say bad things about finance, but I don't think it would help ;-(

All three of my pensions are at risk, my retirement is at risk.  But I am fortunate in not being completely all-in on paper assets.  But this is like being a passenger in a plane that is having engine problem, but I at least have a parachute.  Avoid the virus if you can, hopefully the financially motivated panic (people make money on things going down or up) will subside (though I will kill a neighbor for toilet paper if I have to).

Sorry for others with paper losses.  You know who you are.  But I don't think this is a post-civilization situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfyL8qAxvPU
Even Imelda Marcos ran out of closet space.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 29, 2020, 05:17:39 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rmu0WeC.png)

Infection, "recovery", reinfection.  Fun times.  This is like some 28 Weeks Later stuff right here.

You need to read into the full report.

It's believed despite being classed as cured, she might have been infected again due to a weak immune system.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on February 29, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
Even Imelda Marcos ran out of closet space.


Yeah, 5000 pairs of shoes are hard to store, once you get them home from the store.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on February 29, 2020, 03:41:10 PM
Was having a conversation with my mum and aunt the other day. The problem I think that comes from places like china, apart from the awful eating habits (which may or may not have caused this), its the fact they and other asian countries have this habit of walking around with masks, to apparently 'block off infection'. This is stupid since it increases infection rates because of the bacteria formed on the mask, and wearing them doesn't stop you getting infected but rather makes you more of a carrier because of the mask itself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/flu-season-surgical-mask-present-spread-a9170916.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hZPm9wRLvA

My mum and aunt just brought up the fact, people in these asian counties have a much weaker immune system, because they live what they believe to be a sterilized lifestyle, basically the boy in the bubble who never got an infection, so has no natural immunity to real sickness. When they were children, infact when I was a child, I'd roll around in the mud or explore woodlands or play with the family pet, no masks. When I was a kid, I got chicken pox, and parents invited other children around my house to also get it since its safer for children to get the disease when an adult.

This is why so many die to illnesses like flu and corona in asian countries, and why diseases form in those countries in the first place. In trying to defy nature their ultimately creating a worse problem for everyone else.

https://www.tripsavvy.com/face-masks-in-hong-kong-1535600

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmDIL5k-lK4
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on February 29, 2020, 08:19:34 PM

Yeah, 5000 pairs of shoes are hard to store, once you get them home from the store.

They weren't for her, for her pet millipede!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 01, 2020, 09:02:37 AM
(https://i.redd.it/d9v4nxrp61k41.jpg)

There have been sacrifices all right, dunno if I'd consider them willing sacrifices, though.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 01, 2020, 10:25:08 AM
Sick families welded into their apartment … winning!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 01, 2020, 03:49:38 PM
It looks like Washington State might be out of the woods. The man in Snohomish County who got infected has mostly recovered, and there's still no evidence that he infected anyone else.
About that... (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/01/coronavirus-hundreds-may-be-infected-washington-state/4923129002/)

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 01, 2020, 04:11:36 PM
Got a text from my doctor's clinic, one put out to all, that if anyone develops flu like symptoms to not come to any clinic and instead contact an emergency number.

There's been no reported cases in my town yet, but have been in a few others
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 01, 2020, 05:10:40 PM
About that... (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/01/coronavirus-hundreds-may-be-infected-washington-state/4923129002/)
Fuck.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 01, 2020, 06:59:06 PM
Got a text from my doctor's clinic, one put out to all, that if anyone develops flu like symptoms to not come to any clinic and instead contact an emergency number.

There's been no reported cases in my town yet, but have been in a few others

Patient - I got a temperature, doctor
Doctor - Don't bother coming to the clinic, practice yoga at home
Patient - Why?
Doctor - So you can kiss your ass goodbye
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 02, 2020, 07:00:49 AM
Reports are saying some university professors claiming they think 70% of humanity could become infected, however the reason for this is because strains of the virus could be infecting people without them showing any symptoms, so basically carriers. Meaning you might have it and spread it and not even know it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 02, 2020, 02:08:19 PM

Here's John Oliver's take on the coronavirus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c09m5f7Gnic
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 02, 2020, 02:15:21 PM
Don't be a fucking idiot, on the one hand, and on the other hand don't be a fucking idiot!   LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2020, 04:40:06 PM
Reports are saying some university professors claiming they think 70% of humanity could become infected, however the reason for this is because strains of the virus could be infecting people without them showing any symptoms, so basically carriers. Meaning you might have it and spread it and not even know it.

70% of humanity turn into clones of Typhoid Mary, a cafeteria worker from 1910!  What a Stephen King novel!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 02, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
Maybe a Robin Cook novel. I think he writes medical thrillers.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 02, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
The CDC just released someone who tested positive on Corona into my community this weekend, and they went straight to one of our malls. San Antonio has already said that they are prepared to essentially put the city under martial law.

(Local news report on it and the mayor's response)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp08_fzqhGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp08_fzqhGA)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 03, 2020, 03:18:39 PM
Wasn't the Medicare age requirement supposed to have dropped little by little until everyone was covered?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 03, 2020, 06:00:54 PM
Boris has tried to calm fears over it here, think someone brought up if it spreads here if the military would need to get involved to lock down cities.

I'm going to over the next week or two stock up on things like packs of noodles, tinned goods and porridge/oatmeal. I've also talked with my mum and brother if anyone were to get infected to just follow medical advice over the phone and prepare self quarantine. I dunno how something like this would effect someone with type 1 diabetes but I'd be more concerned for my mum, brother, nephews and rest of my family.

Thankfully I live in a town rather then a city so much less populated here
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 03, 2020, 06:49:46 PM
Read Stephen King's, "The Stand" to know what to do. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 03, 2020, 07:15:44 PM
Alright I've got Dayquil, Nyquil, Tylenol, and Mucinex to last me a couple weeks. Since I probably can't avoid this thing, I say BRING IT ON!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 03, 2020, 08:01:01 PM
Wasn't the Medicare age requirement supposed to have dropped little by little until everyone was covered?

Proposed.  But Dem/Obama support for Romney-care blocked it in 2010.  The actual plan is to raise the Social Security retirement age until nobody lives long enough to get it!  Romney-care was bait and switch, insurance for care, and to bail out the bankrupt healthcare insurance companies.  As was cheap loans for college students, that can't be discharged in bankruptcy, was a bail out for the bankrupt colleges.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 03, 2020, 08:05:01 PM
It was 'fun' at the local Costco.  Had at least a dozen people pushing the large flatbed carts, most full of cases of water and TP--and half these yahoo's were wearing masks. Clorox wipes have been sold out for 3/4 days already.  Long lines--it looked like people prepping for the end of the world. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 03, 2020, 08:09:27 PM
It was 'fun' at the local Costco.  Had at least a dozen people pushing the large flatbed carts, most full of cases of water and TP--and half these yahoo's were wearing masks. Clorox wipes have been sold out for 3/4 days already.  Long lines--it looked like people prepping for the end of the world.


Under President Sanders, the hoarders will have to send all their excess to China to help with our Chinese allies.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 03, 2020, 08:12:27 PM
The CDC just released someone who tested positive on Corona into my community this weekend, and they went straight to one of our malls. San Antonio has already said that they are prepared to essentially put the city under martial law.
Same here in central NC.  After weeks of watching and waiting, it is finally here.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 04, 2020, 01:29:49 AM
Feel like we're playing a AF version of 'pandemic'.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 04, 2020, 04:24:12 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/xgq5ew/coronavirus-porn-going-viral-pornhub-xhamster
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 04, 2020, 04:55:20 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/xgq5ew/coronavirus-porn-going-viral-pornhub-xhamster

The ability to fetishize or attempt to get high from unusual things never ceases to amaze me.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 04, 2020, 07:41:28 PM
Feel like we're playing a AF version of 'pandemic'.

Die Madagascar die!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 04, 2020, 08:35:53 PM
No reported cases in Ohio yet.

That said, it occurs to me that I placed an order for some fountain pens before the outbreak was recognized as a problem, and they're being shipped from $SOMEWHERE_IN_CHINA.  I doubt that acrylic pens can act as a carrier, but I am mildly concerned.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 04, 2020, 09:09:46 PM
No reported cases in Ohio yet.

That said, it occurs to me that I placed an order for some fountain pens before the outbreak was recognized as a problem, and they're being shipped from $SOMEWHERE_IN_CHINA.  I doubt that acrylic pens can act as a carrier, but I am mildly concerned.

just incase do what I'm gonna do, stock up on things like canned foods, packets of instant noodles and soups, and oatmeal, stuff that'll keep for weeks incase you need to self quarantine
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 04, 2020, 10:48:38 PM
just incase do what I'm gonna do, stock up on things like canned foods, packets of instant noodles and soups, and oatmeal, stuff that'll keep for weeks incase you need to self quarantine
They sent around an all-staff email today about how to be prepared, all of which were pretty common-sense things to do... and things people shouldn't need to be reminded to do, like washing your hands and covering your mouth when you cough and sneeze.

There are times I despair of humanity.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 04, 2020, 10:57:01 PM
VP Pence was on a video this week, where he clearly doesn't know elementary precautions.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 05, 2020, 12:16:52 AM
I often make meals in advance that I take to work. This time I'm going to make a big pot of chicken soup and freeze individual servings.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 05, 2020, 11:35:14 AM
A manager puts up a point I think is missed a lot of the times:

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1235192497162399744 (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1235192497162399744)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 05, 2020, 11:49:38 AM
A manager puts up a point I think is missed a lot of the times:

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1235192497162399744 (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1235192497162399744)

His point about listen to the experts not laymen like me was great, but that's not an answer to the question that was asked. The question was are you worried about the spread of the virus as a team? His answer should have been either 1. No we don't give a shit. or 2. Yes we are worried about it and are taking precautions advised by experts in the field.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 05, 2020, 12:34:02 PM
Still, his point is made, it shouldn't come from politicians and celebrities, it needs to come from experts who known what their saying. I'm prepared to self quarantine if need be because most doctors here are saying if you think you have it don't go to a doctors surgery with it.

I was reading a report today about a store chain here in the UK, one that's in my town called Wilko, and it's declared it will not give sick pay to workers off with the virus, to it's 21000 workers. Shit like this needs to be called into question by authorities, because if people working in shops are forcing themselves to come into work at a store because not working will mean they can't make money to live off of, then the store is right out allowing the virus to spread to customers.

It's funny because in the UK, if a child so much as sneezes in a classroom, health and safety might deem a school a hazard and close it, but a busy store with hundreds of customers coming though each day would expect it's sick workers to work and infect the public.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 12:44:31 PM
Still, his point is made, it shouldn't come from politicians and celebrities, it needs to come from experts who known what their saying. I'm prepared to self quarantine if need be because most doctors here are saying if you think you have it don't go to a doctors surgery with it.

I was reading a report today about a store chain here in the UK, one that's in my town called Wilko, and it's declared it will not give sick pay to workers off with the virus, to it's 21000 workers. Shit like this needs to be called into question by authorities, because if people working in shops are forcing themselves to come into work at a store because not working will mean they can't make money to live off of, then the store is right out allowing the virus to spread to customers.

It's funny because in the UK, if a child so much as sneezes in a classroom, health and safety might deem a school a hazard and close it, but a busy store with hundreds of customers coming though each day would expect it's sick workers to work and infect the public.

Roger-Wilco,over and out!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 12:48:01 PM
""It's Like A Ghost Town": Major Cities All Over The Globe Are Paralyzed By Fear Of Covid-19" ... this is the greatest damage of coronavirus.

"Seattle Closes 26 Schools; WHO Says Outbreak Not Yet A Pandemic But "There Are Some Very Concerning Signs"" ... I blame Bill Gates hiding in his Digital Fortress of Solitude ;-)

"Iranian General: Coronavirus Is A Manmade Bio-Weapon" ... no, it was coronavirus being wild for all of December before the Chinese admitted anything, and lots of travel between China and their Iranian ally.  That and Iran living 500 years in the past.

"China Hints At Blackmail Over Pharmaceutical Exports, Would "Plunge US Into Mighty Sea Of Coronavirus"" ... this is how the trade war becomes a hot war.  I still think the Chinese own this, even if it was natural or accidental release of a bio-weapon.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 05, 2020, 01:42:52 PM
Roger-Wilco,over and out!

Typical Baruch.  Translation:
(Roger-Wilco)-hear you and will comply; (over)--talk; (and out)--shut up.
Baruch so loves to spin his wheels and say exactly nothing.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 02:00:53 PM

Typical Baruch.  Translation:
(Roger-Wilco)-hear you and will comply; (over)--talk; (and out)--shut up.
Baruch so loves to spin his wheels and say exactly nothing.

It was a joke, on the name of the British company ... you are just a villain at the sad villain bar ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLyulYMZbj8

If you do develop lock-jaw, do try to get your face into a happy smile first!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 02:34:09 PM
Italian exponential math …

148 dead now, vs 74 dead 2 days ago.  So the fatality doubling time is every 2 days.  In 20 days that means a increase of the total by ~1000 times, so there should be about 150,000 total deaths by the end of March ;-(  Of course at some point the pandemic will burn out, because in less than 40 days, reductio ad absurdum, there would no Italians left alive!

One thing I do know, Mel Gibson knows how to survive this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtjGTrVwRr4

No soy boys in that bunch ;-)

Given first US fatality was 2/29 ... the US is 15 days behind Italy aka we could have 150,000 total deaths by mid April.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 05, 2020, 04:48:48 PM
I was reading a report today about a store chain here in the UK, one that's in my town called Wilko, and it's declared it will not give sick pay to workers off with the virus, to it's 21000 workers. Shit like this needs to be called into question by authorities, because if people working in shops are forcing themselves to come into work at a store because not working will mean they can't make money to live off of, then the store is right out allowing the virus to spread to customers.

This is an example of why you can't trust corporations with the welfare of citizens. Universal and comprehensive healthcare coverage and a universal basic income would provide a safety net for people so they could weather emergencies like an epidemic without becoming destitute. It would relieve companies, especially small businesses, from the financial burden of providing private healthcare plans and other costly benefits. Let the government keep it's citizens healthy and safe while corporations focus on making profits.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 05, 2020, 07:33:36 PM
I see that Trump told Hannity that he had a "hunch" that the death rate wasn't nearly as large as the CDC says it is. I hope only his fan club will believe that.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQjqxO7N08I
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 07:50:56 PM
This is an example of why you can't trust corporations with the welfare of citizens. Universal and comprehensive healthcare coverage and a universal basic income would provide a safety net for people so they could weather emergencies like an epidemic without becoming destitute. It would relieve companies, especially small businesses, from the financial burden of providing private healthcare plans and other costly benefits. Let the government keep it's citizens healthy and safe while corporations focus on making profits.

Yes, by definition a corporation would behave like that drug company exec who was jailed for jacking up the price of a necessary drug, just because he could.  Like Al Capone, the law had to get Skreli on accounting, not on evil.

"Martin Shkreli, a former pharmaceutical executive notorious for sharply increasing drug prices, mounting sneering defenses of his actions and even issuing a bounty for one of Hillary Clinton's hairs ..."

"Shkreli was charged in federal court, then convicted on two counts of securities fraud and one count of conspiring to commit securities fraud. In 2018, Shkreli was sentenced to seven years in federal prison and up to $7.4 million in fines."

"Daraprim, used to treat AIDS, malaria and cancer patients, once cost $13.50 a pill. Now it costs $750 a pill." ... the tangential attempt by the government to slap him down, didn't work ...

A "common good" government does some things better.  But partisanship cancels that out.  A huge government is a huge deal, it can do a lot of good or a lot of bad.

I have a hunch that regular people, even activists, don't know what they are talking about.  But being human, we talk and talk anyway ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 09:10:57 PM
"SOFT QUARANTINE JUST HIT AMERICA, WASHINGTON ASKS 2.2 MILLION PEOPLE TO STAY HOME, SCHOOLS SHUT DO.." ... Washington State, not DC.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 05, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
Washington orders insurance companies to waive copays, deductibles for coronavirus testing (https://q13fox.com/2020/03/05/washington-orders-insurance-companies-to-waive-copays-deductibles-for-coronavirus-testing/)

Communism!  How can we possibly afford this as a country, we're practically stretched to our limit over here!  *kicks the wars and tax cuts for the rich under the rug*
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 05, 2020, 11:45:12 PM
Washington orders insurance companies to waive copays, deductibles for coronavirus testing (https://q13fox.com/2020/03/05/washington-orders-insurance-companies-to-waive-copays-deductibles-for-coronavirus-testing/)

Communism!  How can we possibly afford this as a country, we're practically stretched to our limit over here!  *kicks the wars and tax cuts for the rich under the rug*

That's not a tough sell for the insurance industry simply because they have a financial incentive to avoid costly inpatient levels of care. They really, really don't want people getting seriously ill. The average cost of being on a ventilator is approximately $20,000 ADDED to the total cost of the hospital bill.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 06, 2020, 01:01:48 AM
I have some extra-strength dayquil and nyquil on standby in case I get this thing. Orange juice and vitamin-C gummies will also be consumed at the first sign of trouble.

I happen to live in Washington State, so I won't be totally fucked if I miss work. We have pretty good laws about sick leave here, relative to the rest of the US at least.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 06, 2020, 08:56:56 AM
Relevant ...

If the world is destroyed by a plague, don't just stand there and let a crazed MSM cult leader (Cenk) toss a spear into your chest!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsrSXyPk7tk
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 06, 2020, 11:26:48 AM
Hard math ...

Given first US fatality was 2/29 ... assuming doubling of total fatalities every 2 days ... assuming 60% of population gets it, assuming 20% of the cases are severe, and 10% of the severe cases are fatal ... 10%x20%x60%x330 million people = 3.96 million deaths.  How long until we get there, to burnout?  How ugly is the exponential function ...

Total US Deaths:
128 - 4/14
65536 - 4/31
8388608 - 5/14

So we reach Covid-19 burnout about the 11th of May.

GB first fatality was 5 days after first fatality in the US.  Given the same percentages against a smaller population ... GB reaches Covid-19 burnout about the 16th of May.  With a final total of 810,000 deaths.

What if the doubling time is 4 days instead of 2 days?  Then it takes twice as many days from initial fatality to reach burnout.  Basically still this calendar year.

The worse problem is, there are only 100,000 ICU beds in the US.  All the beds will be filled before the end of April.  At that point the fatality rate will go up.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 07, 2020, 10:24:14 AM
"Former British Supermarket Boss Warns Of Potential Covid-19 "Food Riots", Army Patrols" ... so much trouble over so little Marmite!

"Media Vilifies Preppers And Those Stocking Up As "Selfish Hoarders" As Potential Mass Quarantine Looms" ... there might not be enough supplies left for the paid-for talking-heads and their families when they hunker down in the millionaire's fortresses.

"Shocking New Study Concludes That "Best Case Scenario" For A Covid-19 Pandemic Is 15 Million Dead" ... we can hope for a better best-case than that, I hope!

"Expect Up To 40% Of Tehran's Population To Be Infected In 2 Weeks: Iranian Health Official" ... note to self, don't live like it is 500 years ago if you have any choice.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 07, 2020, 04:52:08 PM
How are the US numbers trending ...

Feb 29 - first US fatality

Mar 7 - 16 total US fatalities

The statistics of small numbers are expected to be unreliable.  But in which direction?  A quick check says that the total fatalities are doubling approx. every 2 days.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 07, 2020, 06:52:01 PM
Hard math ...

Not hard math, but I did this yesterday.

Given an Ro of 1.8, which is less than the 2 to 3 I have seen bandied about on the Internet, and an incubation rate of 14 days, which is on the long side of what they currently think, this is what the COVID-19 infection rate is going to look like.

(https://i.imgur.com/4hc1FWY.png)

I got the Ro and incubation rate numbers by tweaking them until I hit about 90,000 after 90 days which is about where we are now. If this is right, and I'm sure it isn't, and the Ro remains constant, there should be about 1.8 million cases 30 days from now. In 60 days it will be 67 million. 2.5 billion in 90 days. 10 days after that everybody on the planet then some will have been infected.

If these numbers are close (which I doubt) and the death rate stays about 3.2% there will be 2.1 million dead in 60 days, and 80 million dead in 90.

That doesn't take into account the death rate going way up once the hospitals are beyond capacity.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 07, 2020, 09:01:02 PM
No sign of panic in the streets or stores here (Farmington NM is in the middle of nowhere).  I did have to run over a few seniors older than me who were hoarding the hand sanitizer and holding up the check out line ;-) If the zombie apocalypse happens it will happen in Albuquerque and Las Cruces first (Albuquerque is the largest city, and Las Cruces is uncomfortably close to El Paso TX).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxFAJAgAvbo

Right now most cases are in those Third World shitholes known as metropolitan areas, like Seattle, San Francisco, NYC and Miami.  Fortunately I am as far away from that shit as I can get, you dig?

On exponential curve calculation above ... if this really started in December, then 100 days later is March 10 to April 10.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 08, 2020, 12:27:13 AM
More happy thoughts ...

"With Patients 'By About May 8th' Due To Coronavirus: Analysis" ... one estimate when the US runs out of hospital beds.  Don't know if this is ICU or all hospital beds.  But the timing is about right.  Fortunately my Ex just complied her operation last month.  So if you have a surgery scheduled, you might want to recheck availability.

""It's Like Scenes From A Mad Max Movie" - Americans Continue Epic Run On Costco" ... this only happens in Ausi-American neighborhoods ;-)

"Police Quarantine California Neighborhood After Coronavirus Death" ... just quarantine the whole state.  Don't let any more Californians migrate ;-)

""It's An Awful Situation": Washington Moves To Take Over Nursing Home At Epicenter Of Outbreak" ... mother passed in nursing home 3 years ago.  But friend has mother-in-law in a nursing home.  Will pray for her.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 08, 2020, 09:44:11 AM
It is fascinating to watch how the populous reacts during this time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0zSmycYlyHc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_TWHQUXutw

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wc9XN259D0w

It's like watching the evolutionary process de-evolve and people becoming their primate ancestors

Things like empathy, community, sharing, rationalisation, nope, let's just become apes to one another
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 08, 2020, 10:34:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmX7K8noikE

Dem bones, dem bones ...

Still waiting for our Lunar colony.

Structuralism/Post-Structuralism in philosophy ... the individual and collective personality is a construct, a house of cards.  Push on it hard enough and it falls over.  Now pass me that banana ... you dirty ape!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 08, 2020, 01:05:08 PM
More happy thoughts ...

"With Patients 'By About May 8th' Due To Coronavirus: Analysis" ... one estimate when the US runs out of hospital beds.  Don't know if this is ICU or all hospital beds.  But the timing is about right.  Fortunately my Ex just complied her operation last month.  So if you have a surgery scheduled, you might want to recheck availability.

""It's Like Scenes From A Mad Max Movie" - Americans Continue Epic Run On Costco" ... this only happens in Ausi-American neighborhoods ;-)

"Police Quarantine California Neighborhood After Coronavirus Death" ... just quarantine the whole state.  Don't let any more Californians migrate ;-)

""It's An Awful Situation": Washington Moves To Take Over Nursing Home At Epicenter Of Outbreak" ... mother passed in nursing home 3 years ago.  But friend has mother-in-law in a nursing home.  Will pray for her.


I posted this on another forum on Friday.

Quote from: popeyespappy
If it gets really bad to the point where the healthcare system becomes overwhelmed you can expect the death rate to go up. One of the MSM networks did an interview last night with a doctor that was worried about the availability of ventilators. The doctor said they were already looking at how to put 2 people on a single ventilator. If it spreads beyond that point they'll be stacking dead old people like cord wood in the hallways.

Numbers are hard to come by, but according to one study in 2009 there were only about 78,000 critical care beds in US hospitals. That number represented a 15% growth since 2000. Assuming the same growth rate between we would be looking at about 91,000 critical care beds today. Another study said that in 2015 critical care beds made up about 14.1% of the total. A different place says we currently have about 924,000 total hospital beds so 14.1% of of that is about 130,000. In any case we don't have 150,000 critical care beds and at any given point in time a lot of them are occupied by people with other problems so the total available for critical COVID-19 patients is only going to be a fraction of the total. None of that even takes into account a significant portion of the medical staff being unavailable because they are sick.

BTW according to the same news segment some areas are already seeing shortages of antibiotics because the Chinese plants that make most of the ingredients are shut down. While that does not affect Corona virus patients it sure could affect a lot of other sick people.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 08, 2020, 04:34:27 PM
3Blue1Brown has made a video on the growth of the virus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 08, 2020, 06:02:43 PM
14 million still in quarantine in Wuhan alone ... but Italy just declared a 16 million quarantine for N Italy .. and some asshole leaked the proclamation so that more chaos would result.  Anarchists strike again.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 08, 2020, 10:03:55 PM
"Family accidentally orders 12 years' worth of toilet paper" .. now we know why there is a TP shortage ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 08:48:10 AM
"Leaked Quarantine Plans Create Chaos As Panicked Italians Sprint For The Exits, Threatening To Spread Virus" ... good going, free press.

"Iranian Regime Blames Coronavirus On Antisemetic "Zionist Conspiracy"" ... Jews really are all powerful.  So powerful, they don't do sports, they hire African-Americans to do that for them ;-)

""This Is The Most Frightening Disease I've Ever Encountered In My Career" Says Architect Of National Pandemic Strategy" ... he said after visiting commercial "fright room".  IT runs those, you know ;-)


Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
I've never been big on the whole, "Texas should leave the union" idea (for as much as I joke about how superiour Texas is to everyone else, I do think we are better part of the Union than outside it), but...

The way the federal government is being run, the way they are telling all the states, "Sorry buddy, your on your own!" dealing with this pandemic, the way the released infected people into our community, I really do believe that is grounds to say, "Fine, fuck you too."

We are the most prepared state in the union for this outbreak and they are getting in the way, we pay more in taxes than we receive in benefits, we are the 10th largest economy in the world... the U.S. needs us alot more than we need them and they sure as fuck aren't showing us any respect.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 11:54:49 AM
I've never been big on the whole, "Texas should leave the union" idea (for as much as I joke about how superiour Texas is to everyone else, I do think we are better part of the Union than outside it), but...

The way the federal government is being run, the way they are telling all the states, "Sorry buddy, your on your own!" dealing with this pandemic, the way the released infected people into our community, I really do believe that is grounds to say, "Fine, fuck you too."

We are the most prepared state in the union for this outbreak and they are getting in the way, we pay more in taxes than we receive in benefits, we are the 10th largest economy in the world... the U.S. needs us alot more than we need them and they sure as fuck aren't showing us any respect.

Remember LBJ?  Got George H W or George W?  Maybe Texas Dems don't get respect since 1968.  Yes please go back as a province of Mexico.  And kick out all the non-Mexicans while you are at it (snark).  What will Texas be after all the virus infected people move there from California?  E San Diego County.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:56:27 AM
Quote
Remember LBJ?

I do, and I hope to god we get someone like him soon.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 01:44:31 PM
It is fascinating to watch how the populous reacts during this time.


People get pissed off when they see someone squeezing the Charmin!



LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
I do, and I hope to god we get someone like him soon.

That is sarc, right??  LBJ was the worst President in my lifetime.  Fraudulent welfare plan to put African-Americans on a new plantation, draft African-American men to an unnecessary war just to slaughter Asian people?  His hands are covered in blood.  Hope to get Ike back (no hope there).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 02:14:14 PM
That is sarc, right??  LBJ was the worst President in my lifetime.  Fraudulent welfare plan to put African-Americans on a new plantation, draft African-American men to an unnecessary war just to slaughter Asian people?  His hands are covered in blood.  Hope to get Ike back (no hope there).

Ike would be considered way too far left for today's Republican party.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 02:14:49 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

Tell him to be a man, and use his hand!   LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 09, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.
Why?  Good question.  The sheeple just do what the sheeple ahead of them are doing.  Gonna get the flu---yeah!--TP, I need 6 cases just in case!  Most of them have shit for brains anyway, so it kind of fits.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 02:50:59 PM
Monkey see, monkey do.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 09, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

Simply, with health officials and politicians telling people they might need to self quarantine, it's making people become mad shoppers buying out all long term items, since if they can't go to the shops they want to hoard it. And the idea of running out of something to wipe themselves with is causing mass buying of TP.

Even my own mother ordered a 64 stack of TP on eBay she told me.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 09, 2020, 03:38:33 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

Why are people hoarding bottled water? At Costco and the grocery I see carts of bottles being wheeled out. People need to do the environment a favor and buy a filter if their tap water is bad.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 09, 2020, 03:44:55 PM
52 cruise ships are gonna dock here during the summer. It's only a matter of time before Covid-19 comes here.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 09, 2020, 04:06:34 PM
I've never been big on the whole, "Texas should leave the union" idea (for as much as I joke about how superiour Texas is to everyone else, I do think we are better part of the Union than outside it), but...

The way the federal government is being run, the way they are telling all the states, "Sorry buddy, your on your own!" dealing with this pandemic, the way the released infected people into our community, I really do believe that is grounds to say, "Fine, fuck you too."

We are the most prepared state in the union for this outbreak and they are getting in the way, we pay more in taxes than we receive in benefits, we are the 10th largest economy in the world... the U.S. needs us alot more than we need them and they sure as fuck aren't showing us any respect.

More like 13th if you don't count California. Below South Korea and above Spain. 14th if you count California which is about 70% more than Texas They would be 6th below India and ahead of the UK. Cali, like Texas, is a net giver. They send more than they receive from the fed.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 04:08:56 PM
I heard that Ted Cruz may have been exposed, and so he's self-quarantining. Another "Cruz" ship quarantined?   LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 04:36:14 PM
More like 13th if you don't count California. Below South Korea and above Spain. 14th if you count California which is about 70% more than Texas They would be 6th below India and ahead of the UK. Cali, like Texas, is a net giver. They send more than they receive from the fed.

No state, or country, exists outside the interconnected global community.  You can't survive as if you were a small island of self sufficient Amish.  It may be hard for GB to partially separate from the EU ... impossible for bankrupt Scotland to separate from GB, unless they want to be welfare-mothers to the EU.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 04:37:40 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

The riot of three fat women in Sydney was ... it took a 9-pack just for one wipe of each woman ;-)  Also with hyperinflation coming, TP will be worth more than paper money.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 04:38:13 PM
Ike would be considered way too far left for today's Republican party.

Hitler is hiding under your bed.  Stalin is in bed with you.  Very gay.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 04:39:13 PM
Tell him to be a man, and use his hand!   LOL

Shit stick.  My plumbing is marginal, and the toilet is made for tiny Asian people.  I need to TMI before I flush or bad things result.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 04:40:31 PM
Simply, with health officials and politicians telling people they might need to self quarantine, it's making people become mad shoppers buying out all long term items, since if they can't go to the shops they want to hoard it. And the idea of running out of something to wipe themselves with is causing mass buying of TP.

Even my own mother ordered a 64 stack of TP on eBay she told me.

How about all the metro areas with more than one million people, go on lockdown.  Nobody goes in or out.  Scared shitless yet?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 04:41:18 PM
52 cruise ships are gonna dock here during the summer. It's only a matter of time before Covid-19 comes here.

Just shoot the old people as they come down the gangplank ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 04:48:53 PM
How long before Trump institutes martial law, like some other countries are doing?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 04:53:48 PM
How long before Trump institutes martial law, like some other countries are doing?

Should have done so Jan 1 ... too late now, the virus can't be contained, the government is lying (as usual).  How about a new fake illness ... causes hallucinations, such that Congress people look like Lovecraftian monsters?  Kill, kill, kill ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 09, 2020, 05:06:14 PM
My local towns paper already announced 2, maybe 3 people are confirmed to have it and in our local county hospital.

Guess I should take up on that TP early and get more tins of soup and pasta tomorrow.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 05:16:27 PM
My local towns paper already announced 2, maybe 3 people are confirmed to have it and in our local county hospital.

Guess I should take up on that TP early and get more tins of soup and pasta tomorrow.

No, just run around in circles, barking at your own tail like a bulldog ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 09, 2020, 05:31:52 PM
My local towns paper already announced 2, maybe 3 people are confirmed to have it and in our local county hospital.

Guess I should take up on that TP early and get more tins of soup and pasta tomorrow.

239 cases in Belgium already

I'm practically already dead.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 07:42:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 09:02:39 PM
I heard that Ted Cruz may have been exposed
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJf5op_UQAEFm_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 09:27:24 PM
239 cases in Belgium already

I'm practically already dead.

I thought Belgium has a population larger than 300 people ;-)  On the map it looks bigger than Andorra, Monaco, San Marino or Lichtenstein ;-))  Mercator map projection distortion?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 09:29:06 PM
"In a stunning announcement late Monday evening, PM Giuseppe Conte revealed during an announcement from the Palazzo Chigi that he would be expanding Italy's strict quarantine travel restrictions to the entirety of the country (partial quarantine rules, this is regarding travel) ... many still managed to escape N Italy yesterday (bribes?) ... several prison breaks, one had to be suppressed with Italian Army tanks.

Italy will be asking for financial/liquidity stimulus, France is starting to lock down.  Germany is saying ... not our problem.  How is that EU working out for you?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 09:59:26 PM
"DEMOCRATS IN NY ANNOUNCE PRISON LABOR WILL MAKE SANITIZER FOR CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK" ... to overcome the shortage.  Cotton bales will also be available, cheap!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 09, 2020, 11:00:42 PM
Cotton bales will also be available, cheap!

Growing up in cotton country, I've always thought a person could make a decent living handpicking the cotton left in the fields by the combines. There is a shitload of it left in the fields.

You'd go to jail for stealing someone's cotton, but there's a lot of it out there. Huge waste.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 09, 2020, 11:45:32 PM
San Francisco State just shut down.  The City banned all meetings of 1,000 or more.  Italy shut down.  Ireland canceled St. Pats celebrations.  And this country has trump to protect us--we are setting pretty right now!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:55:59 PM
Funny enough, I still know people at work who think the only reason anyone is concerned about this is because they are racists against Chinese people...

*sigh*
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 12:06:23 AM
Growing up in cotton country, I've always thought a person could make a decent living handpicking the cotton left in the fields by the combines. There is a shitload of it left in the fields.

You'd go to jail for stealing someone's cotton, but there's a lot of it out there. Huge waste.

Thought an automated cotton harvester looked weird relative to a wheat harvester ... but it is most efficient if we glean the fields like Ruth from the Bible ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 12:07:05 AM
San Francisco State just shut down.  The City banned all meetings of 1,000 or more.  Italy shut down.  Ireland canceled St. Pats celebrations.  And this country has trump to protect us--we are setting pretty right now!

You can always move to a Foxconn factory in China to get closer to your next iPhone?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 12:08:21 AM
Funny enough, I still know people at work who think the only reason anyone is concerned about this is because they are racists against Chinese people...

*sigh*

Everyone needs to acknowledge that the Han Chinese are THE master race - Chairman Xi.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 10, 2020, 12:08:32 AM

That is sarc, right??  LBJ was the worst President in my lifetime.  Fraudulent welfare plan to put African-Americans on a new plantation, draft African-American men to an unnecessary war just to slaughter Asian people?  His hands are covered in blood.  Hope to get Ike back (no hope there).

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Edit: I will say for all the great things he did, that's not why I think we need another LBJ. What I mean by that is that we need a politician who doesn't give a shit what people think about him and is just a complete asshole... and will borderline murder with his own hands anyone who doesn't support getting done what he feels needs to be done.

Under the "Great Society" program, which was very similar to FDR's "New Deal", the full-income poverty rate dropped from 19.5 to 2.3%. For African Americans, that was a reduction in poverty from 55% to 27%.

He just about single-handedly got the Civil Rights Act passed for African Americans by being the biggest piece of shit asshole to anyone who opposed it. Yes, obviously there were MANY public figures who swayed the voting population, but the voting population is also generally irrelevant when it comes to policy.

He greatly expanded gov't medical services, many of which millions of Americans rely on to this day.

He abolished multiple immigration laws that were discriminatory based on race.

He drastically increased funding for education programs, particularly for Americans who desperately needed it.

He worked to decrease tensions between the Soviets and the United States, which is a net-good in my opinion (if only because it would have been impossible to beat the Russians without being destroyed ourselves in the process.)

I don't know where you are getting that he was bad domestically, because he is almost universally approved of by historians and political scientists for his domestic policy.

The Vietnam War was... a not so great spot on his record, and I will fully admit that. But then again, FDR approved the firebombing of Tokyo and the dropping of the atomic bombs and yet he is also amongst the greatest presidents in American history.



Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 12:10:52 AM
I will have to say ... the stats hide the reality, as usual, not just in the 60s with LBJ etc.  The White Racists knew that having welfare, that banned fathers from their families, and drafting them to Vietnam was just fine with George Wallace.  FDR is no wonderful person either.  He was very wealthy.  He should have given it all away before 1933.  I also find almost all professors almost totally wrong (ivory tower).  Coronavirus is a good excuse to ban all college classes (except on-line).

For example, after much effort, I know much more about Christianity than the seminary professors my Ex listened to getting her degree.  They are paid, Left or Right, to sell a particular narrative.

PS ... I make exception for STEM professors, but not for Political Science professors.  They have real degrees in real subjects ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 11:55:21 AM
"Ireland Cancels All St. Patrick's Day Parades Amid Virus Fears" ... they won't get me gold or Lucky Charms!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 01:33:59 PM
Growing up in cotton country, I've always thought a person could make a decent living handpicking the cotton left in the fields by the combines. There is a shitload of it left in the fields.

You'd go to jail for stealing someone's cotton, but there's a lot of it out there. Huge waste.


Maybe it rots to help fertilize the next batch?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 01:34:49 PM
San Francisco State just shut down.  The City banned all meetings of 1,000 or more.  Italy shut down.  Ireland canceled St. Pats celebrations.  And this country has trump to protect us--we are setting pretty right now!


Yeah, now if we just had someone to protect us from Trump...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 02:07:07 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

Facts of the last pandemic ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 02:11:40 PM
Trump believes he knows all about epidemiology because his uncle John was a physicist at M.I.T.!  LOL


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 10, 2020, 02:59:07 PM
I thought Belgium has a population larger than 300 people ;-)  On the map it looks bigger than Andorra, Monaco, San Marino or Lichtenstein ;-))  Mercator map projection distortion?

It's actually a sham, there's like 18 of us. We pretend to be a real country and more people in order to get more funds from the EU.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
I expected the Democrats to be blamed, and I was right:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXhLdP5KtdE
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 10, 2020, 04:10:48 PM
I expected the Democrats to be blamed, and I was right:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXhLdP5KtdE

"You know, this is a time to be united, not to be pointing fingers, not to be encouraging hate... "

Immediately points finger and demonizes 30% of Americans.

(Trish needs to work on her elocution and fire her makeup artist)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:15:02 PM
Yeah, that and she needs to grow a brain.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:19:18 PM
Trump believes he knows all about epidemiology because his uncle John was a physicist at M.I.T.!  LOL


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump

Hillary has a Nobel prize in medicine, as good as Obama's Nobel Peace prize ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:24:56 PM
Too bad they don't give a Nobel prize for BS - you'd win it hands down!  LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Yes, Democrats will go full Zombie, and it will be OK to kill them a second time .. all my Conservative friends were big fans of The Walking Dead ;-)  Or we may all get Swine Ebola ... since that has killed most of the pigs in China in the past year.  Could this be a variant of the Swine Flu of 10 years ago?

Realistically, if Congress, WH and SCOTUS don't cooperate now on this, then they will all be out of office, or dead, by November 30.  I predict ... they will pragmatically cooperate.  When 61 million Americans were infected with Swine Flu under Obama (2009-2010) and caused 12,500 deaths, no quarantine was ever called.  I don't recall that anyone blamed it on Obama either.  Is this an over-reaction this time, to establish world wide dictatorship under Bilderbergers?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
Too bad they don't give a Nobel prize for BS - you'd win it hands down!  LOL

So, I doubt you more and more!  Are you not really in San Fran?  Not really homeless?  Not really as ugly/un-girlfriended as Quasimodo?  Just another Native-American crisis actor?  But I still hope you are OK anyway.

See the latest facts from last pandemic.  Denier of science (unless it is Lysenkoism).

28 dead in US now from coronavirus.  Doubles every two days ... so in 18 days, will be 14,336 dead in the US ... so basically by March 28.  Then we will see if this is actually worse than the Swine Flu.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:28:52 PM
People are bumping elbows so much nowadays, they might start calling this virus "elbowla."   LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 10, 2020, 04:30:33 PM
Yeah, that and she needs to grow a brain.

Her estimated net worth is $20 million, so she is smart enough to know how to play to people's anxieties and tribal affiliations for fame and profit. She's like a televangelist.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:32:09 PM
So, I doubt you more and more!  Are you not really in San Fran?  Not really homeless?  Not really as ugly/un-girlfriended as Quasimodo?  Just another Native-American crisis actor?


"Great doubts...deep wisdom. Small doubts... little wisdom." - old Chinese proverb
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
Her estimated net worth is $20 million, so she is smart enough to know how to play to people's anxieties and tribal affiliations for fame and profit. She's like a televangelist.

Gotta sell soap.  Tide - New & Improved.  In politics, sell votes.  Are you opposed to sales people?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:35:56 PM

"Great doubts...deep wisdom. Small doubts... little wisdom." - old Chinese proverb

I knew you were the crazy mad virologist in China who started this! ;-)

Only cough when sick, if not at home - Confucius.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 10, 2020, 04:39:55 PM
Gotta sell soap.  Tide - New & Improved.  In politics, sell votes.  Are you opposed to sales people?

Certainly not! Everyone has to make a living. Let's just be cognizant of what's being sold and whether or not we want to buy it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:40:35 PM
I knew you were the crazy mad virologist in China who started this! ;-)

Quote from: Edgar Allen Poe
True! --nervous --very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses --not destroyed --not dulled them. Above all was the sense of hearing acute. I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How, then, am I mad? Hearken! and observe how healthily --how calmly I can tell you the whole story.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:42:36 PM
Certainly not! Everyone has to make a living. Let's just cognizant of what's being sold and whether or not we want to buy it.

But but ... who will protect the Deplorables from themselves!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:47:27 PM
Their savior, Trump, will save them! He's got all the best super powers!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 08:15:11 PM
Their savior, Trump, will save them! He's got all the best super powers!

Greatest genius of all times - Wile E Coyote ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 08:15:50 PM
"NEW YORK DEPLOYS NATIONAL GUARD DUE TO CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK" ... will NY governor outdo Bloomberg, with Stop & Cremate?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 10, 2020, 09:23:49 PM
Was in my local town center, buying a few things in shop we have here called Savers, sells most cosmetic goods at a discount. When I walked in I heard a woman coming out saying 'No toilet rolls in here either!".
I brought usual toiletries, but thought I'd pick up an extra bottle of handwash since they always have an offer on, so 3 instead of 2. When I got to the counter (was a larger line then usual) the cashier said to me 'I'm sorry, I can't sell you more then 2 bottle of handwash'. For a second my brain just tripped into saying 'Wuh?!', but then reason kicked in, and I agreed with her, and told her this was a really responsible thing they were doing. She said they've had to ration certain things like handwash, hand gel and toilet rolls (which were the first thing to sell out), but I still congratulated them on keeping things within reason.

When I got to my local sainsburys, they only had 16 packs of toilet rolls left in so snagged one just incase things were to go south.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 10, 2020, 09:28:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZFhjMQrVts

Remember when I did my conservative math using the best case scenario and came out to 66,000 fatalities in China alone?

Given this guy is estimating a global total of 480,000 deaths over the next 3-7 or so months and estimates it could be up to 15 times worse than seasonal flu. I feel like I got that pretty bang on actually. I'm not particularly happy about that.

Now in the grand scheme, 480,000 is nothing (as morbid as that is). The real issue is that industry will grind to a halt as people are too sick or too afraid to go to work. I think the economic effects of this will be the real killer.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 10:14:42 PM
Swine flu in 2009/10 killed 550,000 worldwide.  Not trivial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-FB6Opo5c

If your only hope is Karl Marx, well he is Jewish too ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 11, 2020, 12:39:10 AM
Its funny how idotic humans like Trump are. I mean seriously the reason viruses were defeated was because government programs like cdc, and they have less funding because they are "socialist" programs. I'll give the virus a month or two before affected billions and see what the dumbass says then, but by then we will be doomed anyhow.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 11, 2020, 01:08:57 AM
Thanks to re-infection it's gonna be the next additional virus to the seasonal flu.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 11, 2020, 08:52:24 AM
Its funny how idotic humans like Trump are. I mean seriously the reason viruses were defeated was because government programs like cdc, and they have less funding because they are "socialist" programs. I'll give the virus a month or two before affected billions and see what the dumbass says then, but by then we will be doomed anyhow.

President Obama did what ... in 2009/10?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 11, 2020, 08:53:21 AM
Thanks to re-infection it's gonna be the next additional virus to the seasonal flu.

Therefore it is important you get it, and not die from it.  And get the seasonal flu shot next Fall.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 11, 2020, 10:00:20 AM
NVM, already posted.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 11, 2020, 12:34:15 PM
"Merkel Expects 60-70% Of Germans To Be Infected With Coronavirus" ... realistic.  German parliament listened silent and slack-jawed.  So basically like Swine Flu of 10 years ago, only more deadly, particularly for seniors.  Will Germany shut down the whole country, like Italy?

Meanwhile GB Health Secretary has coronavirus.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 11, 2020, 12:55:19 PM
The last I read was from an American Health Organization.  I won't bother looking it up, because I can't remember what the source was, but it said that it was too early to tell what infection rates or deaths from infections would be.  It didn't play it down, but it didn't play it up.  This of course came through the media, which is the way everything comes down to us, but I watch countries like Italy and wonder, "Are they using draconian methods or are we Americans just  heads in the sand, until we find ourselves in a panic?"  The stock market is in a panic, but that tells us nothing.  The stock market panics  regularly.  Trump?  Well, you just ignore him whether he's in a panic, or just happens to be euphoric over being president at the moment.  I haven't noticed anyone stock piling.  Eventually, you still have to go out and buy stuff, and when the pandemic is over, there's still going to be people out there carrying it around.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 11, 2020, 01:29:53 PM
The New York Times has an article about how Covid-19 affects the body:

https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-body-symptoms.html

(You might have to log in to see the article, if you have used up all your free viewings.)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 11, 2020, 04:26:52 PM
"Merkel Expects 60-70% Of Germans To Be Infected With Coronavirus" ... realistic.  German parliament listened silent and slack-jawed.  So basically like Swine Flu of 10 years ago, only more deadly, particularly for seniors.  Will Germany shut down the whole country, like Italy?

Meanwhile GB Health Secretary has coronavirus.

Everyplace I've seen these kind of numbers they were qualified with eventually. As in most people will eventually get infected but for many that will be years from now. Over the course of a lifetime most people will catch the flu, but not everyone at once.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 11, 2020, 04:30:06 PM
Everyplace I've seen these kind of numbers they were qualified with eventually. As in most people will eventually get infected but for many that will be years from now. Over the course of a lifetime most people will catch the flu, but not everyone at once.

Seems like, from the evidence, that the Swine Flu strain (not all flu) ran out of steam after 2 years.  Everybody was either a carrier or had had a reaction to it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 11, 2020, 05:29:26 PM
On Social media I keep seeing these people that believe that Recovered is cured,  and you shouldn't worry or panic about coronovirus because it will go away and it's not a problem. Says the supporters of Trumps firing of staff with and budget cuts  on "socialist" programs such as the CDC or WHO. Their the reason America can take it easy, but now we can't. I feel paranoid as soon as the cure arrives, the majority of the population will be diseased and the cure will be marketed for rich people.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 11, 2020, 05:59:41 PM
I listened to a podcast today with a physician who was advocating social distancing. I'm considering not going to the gym when we get anyone diagnosed in my city. However, I've read this type of surface contamination has not been of much worry to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the COVID-19 outbreak. “Transmission of coronavirus occurs much more commonly through respiratory droplets than through contact with contaminated surfaces,” the agency wrote in its guidance about voting centers. And while mass gatherings are a point of concern, there is evidence that people may overestimate the likelihood of disease spread in shared spaces. I do wear gloves when I lift, so I'm not sure what to think.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 11, 2020, 06:27:32 PM
I listened to a podcast today with a physician who was advocating social distancing. I'm considering not going to the gym when we get anyone diagnosed in my city. However, I've read this type of surface contamination has not been of much worry to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the COVID-19 outbreak. “Transmission of coronavirus occurs much more commonly through respiratory droplets than through contact with contaminated surfaces,” the agency wrote in its guidance about voting centers. And while mass gatherings are a point of concern, there is evidence that people may overestimate the likelihood of disease spread in shared spaces. I do wear gloves when I lift, so I'm not sure what to think.

Just avoid the gym, or any places with people gathered close together. The number of cases is started to grow in my town, and if it gets to a point it spreads intend to give up doing to bars and restaurants on only ordering shopping in.

Unless you really have to because of work, then just avoiding public gatherings for a few weeks isn't really that much of a sacrifice. Just imagine your living in a hut in northern scotland.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 11, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iqhJmsZC_a4

Countries putting complete borders lockdown are receiving the least number of cases.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 11, 2020, 07:04:10 PM
Funny enough, I still know people at work who think the only reason anyone is concerned about this is because they are racists against Chinese people...

*sigh*
A few days ago, I talked to someone who was aghast that I went out for Chinese food.  I just now realize I could've countered by asking if they boycott Olive Garden. L'esprit d'escalier.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 11, 2020, 07:08:51 PM
Buy him/her a six-pack of Corona beer, see if they freak out!  LOL
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 12, 2020, 09:53:58 AM
On Social media I keep seeing these people that believe that Recovered is cured,  and you shouldn't worry or panic about coronovirus because it will go away and it's not a problem. Says the supporters of Trumps firing of staff with and budget cuts  on "socialist" programs such as the CDC or WHO. Their the reason America can take it easy, but now we can't. I feel paranoid as soon as the cure arrives, the majority of the population will be diseased and the cure will be marketed for rich people.

"The CDC's Budget Is Larger Now than Under Obama" ... maybe Biden and Pelosi can cure your smoked ham.

12,500 Americans died from Swine Flu ... and Obama/Congress did nothing.  Oh ... that was a Dem House too.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 12, 2020, 09:55:44 AM
Just avoid the gym, or any places with people gathered close together. The number of cases is started to grow in my town, and if it gets to a point it spreads intend to give up doing to bars and restaurants on only ordering shopping in.

Unless you really have to because of work, then just avoiding public gatherings for a few weeks isn't really that much of a sacrifice. Just imagine your living in a hut in northern scotland.

Aye, but will you have to put wool trousers underneath yer kilt?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 12, 2020, 09:57:14 AM
A few days ago, I talked to someone who was aghast that I went out for Chinese food.  I just now realize I could've countered by asking if they boycott Olive Garden. L'esprit d'escalier.

Daughter and I had sushi at lunch yesterday.  Japanese samurai cook has reason to avoid infecting restaurant ... seppuku ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 12, 2020, 10:03:23 AM
"President Trump declares a travel ban from all European countries (not UK)" ... Boris special relationship

"Islamic Scholar Who Said Coronavirus Was "Allah's Punishment" Gets Coronavirus" ... He is based in Iran, was mad about Chinese suppression of Uiygers.

"US Coronavirus Cases Double In 48 Hours, And "Everyone Else Will Be Italy In 9-14 Days Time"" ... is it Arrivederci! for the developed world?

""One Step Away From Collapse": Doctors In Northern Italy Overwhelmed With Coronavirus Patients" ... too many confirmed cases is a real problem.

""If I Die, I Die" - Students "Risk It All" For 'Dream Trips' As Colleges Close Across America" ... mostly old people dying, so why not?  This is why they aren't in the voting booths for Bernie.  They are too busy partying.

'Attention Broke Millennials: This Lab Will Pay You To Get Infected With Covid-19" ... will Millennials be this dumb?

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 12, 2020, 11:39:34 AM
I listened to a podcast today with a physician who was advocating social distancing.
As a lifelong introvert:

(https://i.imgflip.com/3ej21e.png)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 12, 2020, 11:43:27 AM
Princes Peach probably has STD too, just saying! ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 12, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
How are the US numbers trending ...

Feb 29 - first US fatality

Mar 7 - 16 total US fatalities

Mar 11 - 38 total US fatalities (could have been 64)

So not doubling every 2 days, doubling time is longer ;-)

Italy has higher than average elderly percentage of population.  N Italy had one of the best medical institutions in Europe.  Italian health minister has died from coronavirus.  He exposed everyone on a flight from the US back to Italy a few days ago.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 12, 2020, 03:02:36 PM
A good leadership response ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1vdfiiJjrA

Boris went to Eton and Oxford, Donald did not.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 12, 2020, 08:47:58 PM
So far the 8 deaths from the virus in the uk (I think its 7 and one is abroad), all of them were people around or past the age of 70 and with underlining health problems.

I've considered what kind of risk it would be to diabetics looking it up, and really all it told me on the NHS website was similar response I should take if I get any infection, to just contact my diabetic health advisor.

I'm more concerned about my elderly mother, though she is healthy (except for a slightly worn hip bone), and the other members of my family whos in the older generation bracket.

As for Boris, he was frank and seemed to be trying, though I can also understand why people are incensed by him. People want to see more action taken like more things being closed down like schools and public gatherings. I think the fact airports are being monitored so badly here is another issue.

Also, i dunno how true the report is, but my local town paper is printing an article about an apparent whistleblower from my local hospital, a nurse who wished to remain anonymous, about the poor setup my hospital has for this, only having 7 spaces for patients with the condition, and them even reporting the other nurses moving an infected patient from the secure ward into another ward with several elderly patients with bad heart conditions.
Theres some doubt to this if its true or not, but doesn't help much.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 12, 2020, 11:51:36 PM
Welp, the schools are closed until April 3, most of the state universities have canceled in-person classes until the end of the month, COSI (the local science museum) canceled tonight's After Dark (adults program), and CAPA (local arts organization) has suspended all performances until April 5 -- which means I don't get to see Neil deGrasse Tyson next week.

Wal*Mart was a fucking zoo today -- most of the shopping carts were overflowing with toilet paper and cases of bottled water, as if the state's infrastructure was tottering on total collapse because three people in Cleveland sneezed.

I was expecting it to happen, but I'm still disappointed.  Both in missing the shows, and in idiot humans.

Meanwhile, this weekend is going to be spent with friends.  Not worried about mingling -- she's an RN with the state department of health and every few days rotates in from her department to do a shift on the state's coronavirus hotline.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 13, 2020, 12:28:45 AM
I overheard a little blurb on the idiot box that toiletpaper hoarding is at least partially psychological - it offers a sense of security and control.  And if some tp offers some security, then more tp = more security, that's just common sense.  The fact that these people are getting like 2 years worth of tp in one trip seems like an unimportant detail.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 13, 2020, 12:40:00 AM
I'm so happy my university gets a 2nd spring break.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 13, 2020, 02:20:53 AM
With Texas State shut down, I'm now likely unemployed for the next three weeks, if not more.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 13, 2020, 08:00:43 AM
Welp, 3 cases already here in the Faroes, and they came here from Denmark since Monday with airplane travel and one of them was at work in a kindergarten, so everyone there is in quarantine. A LOT of people. That was quicker than I anticipated. Denmark is a red area too with the highest per capita new infections. So I bought some stuff to last us a couple of weeks. I'll probably get it if I go out into the public, because the complacency here is baffling. There were no measures taken in the local grocery store were I went to, so I made sure to clean my hands and stuff I had touched when I came back home.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 13, 2020, 08:44:21 AM
With Texas State shut down, I'm now likely unemployed for the next three weeks, if not more.

Sorry to hear.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 13, 2020, 08:45:28 AM
""We Are Treated Worse Than Garbage": Italian Families Stuck Inside With Bodies Of Dead Spouses As Nationwide Lockdown Begins" ... this is what real quarantine is like.  Even the gravediggers are in quarantine.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 13, 2020, 08:46:07 AM
Welp, 3 cases already here in the Faroes, and they came here from Denmark since Monday with airplane travel and one of them was at work in a kindergarten, so everyone there is in quarantine. A LOT of people. That was quicker than I anticipated. Denmark is a red area too with the highest per capita new infections. So I bought some stuff to last us a couple of weeks. I'll probably get it if I go out into the public, because the complacency here is baffling. There were no measures taken in the local grocery store were I went to, so I made sure to clean my hands and stuff I had touched when I came back home.

Take care.  Small countries are hit hard ... Iceland I hear ... on a per-capita basis.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 13, 2020, 09:20:13 AM
With Texas State shut down, I'm now likely unemployed for the next three weeks, if not more.


Very sorry to hear that. So many people are going to be out of work, some because they have to stay home with their kids.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 13, 2020, 12:47:21 PM
For a little perspective, I would like to point out that even in the hardest-hit areas, the infection rates are fractions of a percent: Lombardy in Italy has just over 7,000 cases in a population of 10,000,000 for an infection rate of 0.07%.  Daegu in South Korea has 5800 cases in a population of 2.5 million for a rate of around a quarter of a percent.  Metro Tehran has about 2400 cases in a metro area of around 15 million -- infection rate is about 0.16%.

So yes, precautions are sensible considering that there is no vaccine yet -- but fear is not sensible.  Personally, I like my odds.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 13, 2020, 01:34:39 PM
The only thing I know of here that's shut down is the local VetConnect, which sucks, but not too badly. I just hope the library doesn't close - that would be a personal catastrophe!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 13, 2020, 01:59:26 PM
Nothings shut here yet, however I am meant to attend a course starting in a few weeks for a hospitality certificate at my local collage.
Phoned the tutor but only got answering machine, if they declare the course won't start till this has passed have to wait and see when a new opening is.

Also helping my mum carry some shopping home today, the town was busy as usual, but shelves were clear of all long term foods like pasta, long life bread, powdered products and if course toilet paper.
Saw couple of my mums friends on the way and instead of a friendly peak on the cheek we exchanged elbow taps. Didnt really make sense since getting close enough for an elbow tap would lead to infection still, but hey hoo.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 13, 2020, 03:04:04 PM
No restaurants
No bars

Three weeks.
I understand why, but damn.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 13, 2020, 04:20:32 PM
https://twitter.com/tomhanks

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ES9HRSUU0AAwkEo?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 13, 2020, 04:58:28 PM
Alan Grayson was right: the Republican health care plan is "don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly."
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 13, 2020, 06:05:53 PM
Alan Grayson was right: the Republican health care plan is "don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly."

"First Point Of Joe Biden's Covid-19 Action Plan Is To Stop "Racism"" ... seems that Dems regularly borrow from British Labour party talking points.  We can't stop racism, it is part of the human condition, like stupidity.

If we had just killed all the White Men earlier, we could have avoided the pandemic, right?

No, a politician can't keep you from not washing your hands, keep your from not covering your nose when you sneeze, keep you from not covering your mouth when you cough, keep you from leaving your dirty germs on door handles ... or keep you from being stupid.  No party idolatry or policy wonking will help.  Politically inclined sociopaths will try to use tragedy to get elected, however.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 13, 2020, 06:10:29 PM
"US Summons Chinese Ambassador Over "Blatant, Global" Covid-19 Disinformation Campaign" ... yes, we know that Han Chinee are master racee.

"Trump Declares National Emergency Over Coronavirus" ... can we put the Dems in the FEMA camps for de-contami-nation now?

"Bill Gates Resigns From Microsoft Board" ... about time!  Maybe he just realized that Microsoft Edge sucks?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 13, 2020, 06:10:58 PM
Trump might have the virus:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1238571558567923712 (https://twitter.com/AP/status/1238571558567923712)
(http://puu.sh/FkiUr.jpg)


Quote
President Donald Trump has said he is likely to take a test for the coronavirus after all.Trump over the weekend was near Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro’s communications director, Fábio Wajngarten, who tested positive for the virus just days later.White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement Thursday that “both the President and Vice President had almost no interactions with the individual who tested positive and do not require being tested at this time.”Trump was asked at a press conference Friday if he was being selfish by not undergoing testing, prompting Trump to reply: “I didn’t say I wasn’t going to be tested.”“Most likely, yeah,” Trump added while downplaying his interaction with the Brazilian official at this resort in Florida. “Not for that reason, but because I think I will do it anyway. Fairly soon, we’re working out a schedule.”
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 13, 2020, 06:13:24 PM
But news is ... questionable.  Earlier, it was leaked that Bolsinaro was positive (probably his political opponents at the Guardian (UK) leaked this).  Later today ... Bolsinaro is nagative.

If Trump is positive, I recommend he go cough all over Pelosi, Schiff and Nagle ;-)  This is war!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 13, 2020, 07:15:56 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the guys with carts come around, yelling "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!"
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 13, 2020, 07:37:11 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the guys with carts come around, yelling "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!"

It's not happening for italy. If reports are true, people can't even bury their dead yet.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 13, 2020, 08:07:32 PM
China stopped reporting new cases.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 13, 2020, 08:55:29 PM
China stopped reporting new cases.

I keep on seeing people saying how great it is how their cases have just been declining and declining, that the quarantine  are working...

Or maybe, just maybe, the Communist Party is...*gasp*... lying.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 14, 2020, 01:32:57 AM
China stopped reporting new cases.

China has a new definition of truth.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 14, 2020, 01:35:01 AM
I wonder how long it will be before the guys with carts come around, yelling "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!"

In Italy they are saying ...

"non mettere in evidenza i tuoi morti"
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 14, 2020, 01:35:48 AM
Louisiana is going to delay their primary from March to June.

PS ... "House OKs coronavirus relief bill, after urging from Trump, in 363-40 vote" ... the House was less irresponsible and political than initially seen.

National Emergency law basically opens up the FEMA plans.

"National Guard to deploy 1,000 troops in six states in response to coronavirus"

Chinese now admit, patient zero not from wild food market, was Nov 17th.  Chinese bureaucracy dropped the ball for 6 weeks.

Funny cartoon ...

Four horsemen of the apocalypse.  One of them is carrying multiple rolls of TP ... another horseman says to him ... "You're kidding!".
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 14, 2020, 11:29:51 AM
I keep on seeing people saying how great it is how their cases have just been declining and declining, that the quarantine  are working...

Or maybe, just maybe, the Communist Party is...*gasp*... lying.
They're burning Covid-19 patients alive in mobile crematoriums now.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 14, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theory.html

China is now blaming the United States for the Coronavirus.

Yeah, it's not the wet markets where they leave animals in incredibly unsanitary conditions and eat whatever they can get their hands on... it's all America's fault! And obviously it came from American troops, because we had thousands of cases of Coronavirus long before the Wuhan outbrea... oh, wait...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 14, 2020, 12:38:14 PM
China is now blaming the United States for the Coronavirus.
Sometimes I'm amazed at how far man has progressed in the last 100,000 years.  On the one hand, we have science and logic.  On the other hand, we have religion and politics.  It seems like the two sides would cancel each other out, and we would still be at point zero.  It's hard to understand that we have actual forces at work that can overpower reason. 

Most of our extra brain capacity, which seems to far outreach that of other primates, seems to be used to fill our imagination.  I don't want to knock imagination.  It can lead to extraordinary things, but it seems like most of it is wasted on fallacy, ego protection, and wishful thinking.  We are monkeys capable of constructing nonsense that no other monkeys could match.  We have taken flinging poo to the next level of primate intellect.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 14, 2020, 12:53:02 PM
They're burning Covid-19 patients alive in mobile crematoriums now.

Been done before.  History has warned you.  But this isn't just a Chinese thing.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 14, 2020, 03:27:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7foUPWm.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 14, 2020, 03:34:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg7FwHteB0I
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 14, 2020, 04:17:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf3Ih0kNvlU
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 14, 2020, 06:41:37 PM
Depends on if it is an NRA member ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 14, 2020, 06:43:21 PM
NRA stands for Non-Rational American.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 14, 2020, 07:46:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CCW4Xnp_sQ
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 14, 2020, 08:41:59 PM
PSA:

https://youtu.be/Hks6Nq7g6P4

If you resemble anyone shown, please sit down and take 20 CCs of Stop Being A Dumb Arsehole every morning until symptoms dissipate.

If symptoms do not abate within 24 hours, please supplement the treatment with mindfulness exercises, which are a list questions to ask yourself during symptom onset: "Is what I am doing similar to what a dumb arsehole would do?",  "Will my actions hurt someone by depriving them of needed supplies?",  "Is what I am doing a sensible reaction to available empirical data?",  "Should the opinions of medical novices really be weighted the same or higher than medical experts?", etc.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 14, 2020, 09:12:13 PM
New reports are coming out here, that in 20 days the government are going to start giving warnings and rules that anyone over the age of 70 needs to remain inside, for upward of 4 months, even if not sick.

I'm growing even more concerned now. I pretty much look after my mother, I dunno what i'm expected to do, if I need to confine myself indoors the same way, avoid people to as not to pass anything to her. Plus with my own diabetes if I should start being just as concerned. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on March 14, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
I've just been informed that the library will be closed for at least 2 weeks, so I won't be around much for a while. I can use my phone, as I'm doing now. I'll have a hard time finding places to charge, though, so I won't be around as much, until things get better.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 14, 2020, 09:25:22 PM
New reports are coming out here, that in 20 days the government are going to start giving warnings and rules that anyone over the age of 70 needs to remain inside, for upward of 4 months, even if not sick.

I'm growing even more concerned now. I pretty much look after my mother, I dunno what i'm expected to do, if I need to confine myself indoors the same way, avoid people to as not to pass anything to her. Plus with my own diabetes if I should start being just as concerned.

Hopefully there is a familial or society support for shut-ins in general, not just extreme seniors.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 14, 2020, 09:25:54 PM
I've just been informed that the library will be closed for at least 2 weeks, so I won't be around much for a while. I can use my phone, as I'm doing now. I'll have a hard time finding places to charge, though, so I won't be around as much, until things get better.

Sorry to hear.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 14, 2020, 09:30:57 PM
I've just been informed that the library will be closed for at least 2 weeks, so I won't be around much for a while. I can use my phone, as I'm doing now. I'll have a hard time finding places to charge, though, so I won't be around as much, until things get better.

good luck. stay safe and get yourself prepared.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 14, 2020, 09:32:30 PM
Hopefully there is a familial or society support for shut-ins in general, not just extreme seniors.

I was expecting to start a course for hospitality training at my collage. I'm going to have to put that aside, also scarper any plans to get back into work until this is over with. Right now all I care about is keeping my family safe.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 14, 2020, 09:36:32 PM
I've just been informed that the library will be closed for at least 2 weeks, so I won't be around much for a while. I can use my phone, as I'm doing now. I'll have a hard time finding places to charge, though, so I won't be around as much, until things get better.
that is a blow for you--very unfortunate!  I wish you nothing but the best for the time it is shut down.  Damn!!  That really is too bad!!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 15, 2020, 05:41:55 AM
Where I live nothing has happened yet and I'm partying like 1969! Live life if today is your last because as a smoker with diabetes and bronchitis when sick, if caught I'm a dead man.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 15, 2020, 08:01:40 AM
Where I live nothing has happened yet and I'm partying like 1969! Live life if today is your last because as a smoker with diabetes and bronchitis when sick, if caught I'm a dead man.

Go to Hollywood to join the Zombie TV shows ;-)

Two days ago we had our first panic attack at the grocery store ... I had to find another store to avoid all the people.  It hadn't happened until then, because it wasn't payday!  Yesterday I went back to the original store, and lots of things were stripped, but I got all I was looking for.  Meanwhile the town crier was still shouting "Bring out your dead" ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 15, 2020, 03:03:25 PM
I jump at the chance to become famous! Maybe meet some female zombies!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 15, 2020, 04:39:06 PM
Well.  It is the end of the world.  The COVID-19 outbreak has just driven our local newspaper, a reliable house organ for the state GOP, to publish an editorial shitting on Trump's response to the outbreak and calling for universal healthcare (https://www.dispatch.com/opinion/20200315/editorial-chances-of-fighting-coronavirus-improve-without-politics):

Quote from: The Columbus Dispatch
To be sure, the Trump administration’s response has been erratic. It’s not just a matter of whether travel restrictions were enacted soon enough or broadly enough — experts can disagree on that. It’s the steady stream of misinformation from the president and his political appointees that reminds us just how irresponsible this administration can be.

To proclaim, as the very first cases were surfacing in the U.S., “We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine” was simply foolish and a reminder of Trump’s seeming inability to understand that he can’t make something true just by saying it.

He has contradicted those who do have accurate information, saying inaccurately that the country has the capacity to test anyone who wants to be tested and that a vaccine will be ready in a few months.

Closer to home, Gov. Mike DeWine inspires confidence with regular science-based updates and clear direction on measures to try to keep us safe.

Cancellation of schools, bans on large public gatherings and news of celebrities testing positive for the virus this past week made the seriousness of the situation much more real.

But what Trump most worries about — that virus fears and a falling stock market will hurt his reelection chances — has been transparently obvious.

Still, his abrupt Wednesday announcement that he will ban most travel from Europe sent the market into another steep dive.

Calling the administration on this malfeasance is legitimate, but a chorus of criticism and blame isn’t helpful.

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.
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As Americans frantically buy stores out of hand sanitizer in an effort to ward off a potentially deadly virus, it’s hard to imagine a better argument for at least some form of national health care. In light of this experience, the wisdom of making vaccines and infectious disease care available to all who might need it seems obvious.

Trump, ever focused on the stock market, has proposed drastic and expensive stimulus measures such as eliminating federal payroll taxes — which fund Medicare and Social Security — through the end of this year, costing the treasury close to $1 trillion.

He also is interested in “emergency aid” to oil and gas companies hurt by the slump in travel and the drop in oil prices. We hope Congress will consider the hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue and the record profit growth enjoyed by the oil and gas industry in 2019 and make that the nonstarter it should be.

Much more hopeful is a report that Trump is willing to consider reimbursing employers or workers for sick leave made necessary by the virus. Sick leave is another policy priority that should be obvious now.

People who don’t have paid sick leave and can’t afford to go without pay are much less likely to stay home when they might be sick. And the people most likely to have no health insurance or paid sick leave are those in low-paid service jobs — cooking and serving food, running cash registers — most likely to have broad contact with the public.

Will wonders never cease.

(And yes, I will agree that our Republican governor has been doing an excellent job under the circumstances -- it is a fortunate thing that Ohio isn't very good at extremism.)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 15, 2020, 05:23:02 PM
This is a rather surprising event.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 15, 2020, 05:37:44 PM
(https://i.redd.it/ltq3zwtlttm41.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 15, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
I hope this year screws the republican party to hell.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 15, 2020, 08:50:52 PM
I jump at the chance to become famous! Maybe meet some female zombies!

Warning, they only date college graduates.  They are looking for ... brains ... ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 15, 2020, 08:51:28 PM
I hope this year screws the republican party to hell.

I hope this year Chairman Xi becomes Emperor of the World.  He claims to have the cure.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 15, 2020, 09:31:48 PM
someone put up a twitter video showing what happened when a large group of monkeys were given a large pile of bread. they all gathered and each monkey only took one loaf and left the pile for the rest to take, all doing the same. The symbolism being even monkeys know about only taking what you need and leaving the rest of everyone else.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 15, 2020, 09:32:23 PM
"MOST OF FRANCE IGNORES GATHERING BAN, CORONAVIRUS, PROTESTS MACRON" ... the French are different ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 15, 2020, 09:50:47 PM
guy explains what it was like, he lives in wuhan, and had the worst case of the virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9oqvJ3iXGI

I've never had pneumonia before, scary prospects.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 15, 2020, 10:11:24 PM
someone put up a twitter video showing what happened when a large group of monkeys were given a large pile of bread. they all gathered and each monkey only took one loaf and left the pile for the rest to take, all doing the same. The symbolism being even monkeys know about only taking what you need and leaving the rest of everyone else.
Not only monkeys share but read the following:
Now, new research in Science suggests that rats are capable of empathy. The study tested how rats responded when their fellow rats were trapped, and found that they would not only spend time and energy deliberately helping their trapped companions, but they would even share food after liberating them.Dec 8, 2011

Apparently people are less civilized than monkeys and rats.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 15, 2020, 10:28:36 PM
No identified coronavirus patients at the hospital where I work yet. I feel like the hospital staff is prepared as they can be. The administration has arranged for free child care for employees while they are working since all schools are now closed. The hospital is offering free e-visits screenings to the community. Drive-through sites are available for sample collections for testing for people who have a doctor's order through their physician or e-visit. Triage tents have been set up outside the emergency rooms for those with respiratory symptoms to be evaluated. There are also various procedures in the facilities to protect staff and patients.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 15, 2020, 10:29:46 PM
Not only monkeys share but read the following:
Now, new research in Science suggests that rats are capable of empathy. The study tested how rats responded when their fellow rats were trapped, and found that they would not only spend time and energy deliberately helping their trapped companions, but they would even share food after liberating them.Dec 8, 2011

Apparently people are less civilized than monkeys and rats.

Nature lovers agree.   But my cats are way superior to your dogs ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 15, 2020, 10:36:01 PM
Meanwhile outside the political blame-o-sphere ...

The fact that the US isn't prepared, is a multiple administration problem.  The master national plan was worked out in 2003, but not fleshed out.  Bureaucracy and over-regulation at the CDC led to the failure of the initial testing plan in the US.  And the biggest problem is arranging for most of our medicines and medical equipment to be made in China, because it is cheaper that way.  Russians may have a better system, but only if you trust their numbers.  I doubt them even more than I doubt the Chinese or Iranians.  Unfortunately it seems that Spain and France are going down the Italian route.

We have local testing now.  All schools are closed as of tomorrow.  Groups above 100 are banned state-wide.  And the public health department is the hotline instead of going to your local clinic, family doctor or emergency room.  Pelosi tried to add typical Dem riders to the bill now signed.  Social degeneracy in liberal government areas (allowing public indecency and homelessness) create a population as vulnerable as nursing homes.  Pandemic unfortunately may solve that problem.

If an Italian situation develops in a city, or larger unit ... no hospital system can cope.  Either the curve gets flattened thru social gathering/touching control, or a bad triage situation will develop (as in Italy, doctors decide who gets ICU care, decide who lives and who dies, just as when the first dialysis machines became available (I think they did a lottery for patients)).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 16, 2020, 12:31:37 AM
Where I work, an employee tried to come in while gravely ill and complaining about muscle soreness.  He was turned away, but just took some meds and came back later, claiming that he "feels fine".  He is NOT fine.  And he is a very close talker and never washes his hands.  And btw, there is no such thing as sick leave here.

Tuesday, I get to decide if I want to come to work and potentially expose myself and my family to this disease or not.  I'm thinking about falsely claiming that I'm coming down with something or some other excuse so I'm not at ground zero when this new plague sweeps my workplace.  I'm an honest person most of the time, but I am not lawful stupid; there are lengths I am willing to go to protect myself and my family.  If necessary, I am considering suspending my employment temporarily and resuming it after this crisis.

I feel like I'm a worker at Umbrella Corp at Raccoon City.  Greed and carelessness have brought this outbreak to my doorstep.  At this point, I feel like disaster is now unavoidable and all I can possibly do is mitigate the damage to me and mine.

Previously, I got hit with someone coming into work with bronchitis (thankfully, they took vitamin C pills to counteract it, gotta love the American education system).  And I would've gotten the flu vaccine if I were healthy, but I was still recovering when that same person also brought the flu and it swept the workplace over the course of a single day, infecting a dozen people including me.  It then spread to my family, requiring me to escort a family member to urgent care and a week of convalescence and fevered dreams for me.  Point is, dealing with the tragic consequences of idiots spreading disease is not a new thing for me.  I shoulder the burden of managing disease, they accept neither responsibility nor change their behavior.  If I were not soon to be sick myself, I would half-jokingly praise North Korea's methods of combating communicable disease.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 06:53:25 AM
Good luck with that.  Not all workers will get paid "sick" leave let alone paid "voluntary" leave, though at this point both would be wise.  Society isn't set up to do wise things ;-(

My former military medical coworkers are in the thick of this.  I feel for them.  Do know what your public health department suggests, and follow their advice.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 08:57:24 AM
Here is an infographic on pandemics ...

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 09:02:11 AM
"Chinese Tycoon Mysteriously Disappears After Criticizing Xi's Virus Response" ... no get out of reeducation camp card for you!

"Journalist With Fever Denied Entry To White House Coronavirus Briefing" ... journalist connected with Chinese news agency.  Bio-warfare?  Will CNN be a fellow-traveller?

"NYC & LA Mayors Order Bars, Nightlife, Gyms, & Restaurants To Shut Except For Delivery" ... Big Apple and LaLa Land face reality.  NYC schools still open!

"Quarantative Easing Fails: S&P, Brent Down 10%, European Banks Hit All Time Low In Monday Massacre" ... Meanwhile SA and Russian economic petro-price-warfare continues ... makes oil cheap for China etc to buy ;-)  Shuts down fracking oil in the US.  Don't expect to have anything left in your private pensions at the end of this ;-(



Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 16, 2020, 11:53:09 AM
South Korean church hoses the faithful (https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075421/coronavirus-salt-water-spray-infects-46-church-goers)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 16, 2020, 01:47:57 PM
South Korean church hoses the faithful (https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075421/coronavirus-salt-water-spray-infects-46-church-goers)
Usually I'd laugh, but these idiots are going to infect more people around them who don't deserve it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 16, 2020, 03:32:58 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/idris-elba-has-confirmed-he-has-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-but-says-he-feels-ok/ar-BB11gZSa?OCID=ansmsnnews11

:( I was sad when tom hanks got it, but Elba's one of my fav actors
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 16, 2020, 04:52:38 PM
I came across an interesting article on Slate tangentially related to the Covid-19 virus.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-tsa-liquid-purell-paid-leave-rules.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-tsa-liquid-purell-paid-leave-rules.html)

Basically it's about that a lot of reservations and rules that are enforced in the U.S. are arbitrary and not for the betterment of the people living there, but for the almighty dollar.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 16, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
I was allowed to go to work today.
Tomorrow I stay and work from home.
Wednesday I go to work at the office.
And then I stay home working 'till next week friday, followed by more work from home.
Then I work at the office the wednesday after and that friday as well.

I'm going to go stir crazy. I have to do it. I was thinking about taking a holiday next week monday and just go for a 100km bikeride or something. But even that should be avoided if you can. So I shouldn't.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 16, 2020, 06:04:17 PM
I was allowed to go to work today.
Tomorrow I stay and work from home.
Wednesday I go to work at the office.
And then I stay home working 'till next week friday, followed by more work from home.
Then I work at the office the wednesday after and that friday as well.

I'm going to go stir crazy. I have to do it. I was thinking about taking a holiday next week monday and just go for a 100km bikeride or something. But even that should be avoided if you can. So I shouldn't.

A lotta people will go crazy with this. Social isolation for extroverts will have some negative feedback.

I do predict a vast amount of trolling coming online
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 16, 2020, 06:08:59 PM
A lotta people will go crazy with this. Social isolation for extroverts will have some negative feedback.

I do predict a vast amount of trolling coming online

Not from me.
But please, If I seem more crude than usual, this is probably the reason.
I predict a short fuse for trolling behavior.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 16, 2020, 06:18:53 PM
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Basically it's about that a lot of reservations and rules that are enforced in the U.S. are arbitrary and not for the betterment of the people living there, but for the almighty dollar.
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That is one of the least shocking statements I've heard in a long time. A very long time...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 08:02:29 PM
I was allowed to go to work today.
Tomorrow I stay and work from home.
Wednesday I go to work at the office.
And then I stay home working 'till next week friday, followed by more work from home.
Then I work at the office the wednesday after and that friday as well.

I'm going to go stir crazy. I have to do it. I was thinking about taking a holiday next week monday and just go for a 100km bikeride or something. But even that should be avoided if you can. So I shouldn't.

Maybe mark up a magnetic calendar on the front of the fridge ... to keep track.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 08:04:12 PM
I came across an interesting article on Slate tangentially related to the Covid-19 virus.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-tsa-liquid-purell-paid-leave-rules.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-tsa-liquid-purell-paid-leave-rules.html)

Basically it's about that a lot of reservations and rules that are enforced in the U.S. are arbitrary and not for the betterment of the people living there, but for the almighty dollar.

This is why the first CDC attempt to run a Corona Virus testing program was a failure.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 16, 2020, 08:07:07 PM
The saddest thing about this, here in the uk there's often been adverts about social care, giving care and support to the elderly who might live alone, elderly people without family to visit them, so services looked to supporting them.

The isolation rules in place that anyone over 70 must isolate themselves now for their own safety, for a period of weeks to months, those people who needed that kind of social support are just getting left out to dry up on the tarmac.

I predict the rate of suicide will go up in many countries because of this.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 16, 2020, 09:43:39 PM
I wish Americans didn't equate self-protection with firearms.

US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring across the US as fears of possible social unrest amid the coronavirus crisis are prompting some Americans to turn to firearms as a form of self-protection.

“We are experiencing a massive rush to buy guns and ammunition as people feel the need to protect themselves and their families.”

Hyatt said that the type of guns being bought was reflective of the fear prevalent among customers. There was almost no interest in hunting rifles. Instead, people were opting for target guns and there was big demand for AR-15 semi-automatic assault-style rifles. ...

Asked why he thought the spike was happening, Hyatt replied: “Financial meltdown, pandemic, crime, politics … you throw it all into the pot, and you have one hell of a mess.” ...

Amid the rush to stockpile lethal weapons, there were concerns for the safety of children. A sudden increase in guns and rifles in domestic homes could put children at risk through lack of safe storage.

Firearms are already the second most prevalent killer of children in the US after car crashes. In the 14- to 17-year-old bracket, gun injuries are the highest single cause of death, according to research from the University of Michigan school of public health.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 10:10:32 PM
I wish Americans didn't equate self-protection with firearms.

US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring across the US as fears of possible social unrest amid the coronavirus crisis are prompting some Americans to turn to firearms as a form of self-protection.

“We are experiencing a massive rush to buy guns and ammunition as people feel the need to protect themselves and their families.”

Hyatt said that the type of guns being bought was reflective of the fear prevalent among customers. There was almost no interest in hunting rifles. Instead, people were opting for target guns and there was big demand for AR-15 semi-automatic assault-style rifles. ...

Asked why he thought the spike was happening, Hyatt replied: “Financial meltdown, pandemic, crime, politics … you throw it all into the pot, and you have one hell of a mess.” ...

Amid the rush to stockpile lethal weapons, there were concerns for the safety of children. A sudden increase in guns and rifles in domestic homes could put children at risk through lack of safe storage.

Firearms are already the second most prevalent killer of children in the US after car crashes. In the 14- to 17-year-old bracket, gun injuries are the highest single cause of death, according to research from the University of Michigan school of public health.

True.  Americans are a kaleidoscope of conspiracy theories, particularly End Of World theories.  One of these is that "insert minority or political party" will come knocking at your door like werewolves or zombies or vampires ... and you need to be able to kill them at the door step ... as seen on TV.

Fortunately I am not subject (most of the time) to apocalypse porn.  But this year is giving it a run for the money.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 10:11:46 PM
The saddest thing about this, here in the uk there's often been adverts about social care, giving care and support to the elderly who might live alone, elderly people without family to visit them, so services looked to supporting them.

The isolation rules in place that anyone over 70 must isolate themselves now for their own safety, for a period of weeks to months, those people who needed that kind of social support are just getting left out to dry up on the tarmac.

I predict the rate of suicide will go up in many countries because of this.

GB isn't closing their schools.  But I just heard that you have blown off your local elections (including mayor of London) for another 12 months, because of the coronavirus.  Lucky this didn't happen before the major election in December, right? ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 16, 2020, 10:51:20 PM
GB isn't closing their schools.  But I just heard that you have blown off your local elections (including mayor of London) for another 12 months, because of the coronavirus.  Lucky this didn't happen before the major election in December, right? ;-)

its not hard to read between the lines the opportunities those with power will use in this.
The reason for not closing schools is apparently because children could be carriers and spread the disease to the elderly, which makes no bloody sense since your not going to stop children interacting with elderly people in or out of school time as it is.

I am wondering however whats gonna happen if they do close the schools, since both my brother and sister in law works, and usually in such cases my mum would step up and babysit the nephews. but she can't now if she's expected to go into isolation.

She's putting on a brave face, but I can tell she's feeling very withdrawn about everything, not getting to spend time with her friends, her grand children. Hell she was going to go up and see a friend of hers in order to see a production on with jake gyllenhaal in it, but thats all now cancelled.
Just trying to now think of something I can do to cheer her up on mothers day.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 11:26:22 PM
Schools are closed here late last week ... the school term will be extended into Summer.  It does put some parents in a bind.

Meanwhile Georgia has joined Louisiana in delaying their Primary.  Puerto Rico has proposed delaying their Primary as has Ohio, even though Ohio votes tomorrow!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 17, 2020, 01:09:30 AM
I wish Americans didn't equate self-protection with firearms.

US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring across the US as fears of possible social unrest amid the coronavirus crisis are prompting some Americans to turn to firearms as a form of self-protection.

“We are experiencing a massive rush to buy guns and ammunition as people feel the need to protect themselves and their families.”

Hyatt said that the type of guns being bought was reflective of the fear prevalent among customers. There was almost no interest in hunting rifles. Instead, people were opting for target guns and there was big demand for AR-15 semi-automatic assault-style rifles. ...

Asked why he thought the spike was happening, Hyatt replied: “Financial meltdown, pandemic, crime, politics … you throw it all into the pot, and you have one hell of a mess.” ...

Amid the rush to stockpile lethal weapons, there were concerns for the safety of children. A sudden increase in guns and rifles in domestic homes could put children at risk through lack of safe storage.

Firearms are already the second most prevalent killer of children in the US after car crashes. In the 14- to 17-year-old bracket, gun injuries are the highest single cause of death, according to research from the University of Michigan school of public health.
What are they planning to do? Shoot the virus?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 17, 2020, 03:47:29 AM
What are they planning to do? Shoot the virus?
They probably think it's gonna be like The Walking Dead.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 17, 2020, 04:09:15 AM
They probably think it's gonna be like The Walking Dead.
Corona Zombies (https://movieweb.com/corona-zombies-release-date-poster-full-moon/): The Movie.  Holy Bob, how I wish I were making this up.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 17, 2020, 07:00:59 AM
What are they planning to do? Shoot the virus?

I think their arming themselves to protect from others with guns breaking into their houses and stealing things like toilet paper and hand sanitizer
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 17, 2020, 07:23:03 AM
Schools are closed here. As of today we are working from home if we can. You can go in to the office if you need to so no layoffs. Yet.

The boss is worried about the sick leave policy currently being discussed in DC. If he has to pay all 266 of us two weeks of sick leave we haven't earned it will probably put the company out of business.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 17, 2020, 07:44:33 AM
Yang ran on UBI and preparing for the future. Welcome to the future.

As the U.S. is scrambling to deal with the forced shuttering of restaurants, bars, theaters, and other businesses, even some fiscally conservative Republicans agree that giving money directly to people might be the best response. Today, Senator Mitt Romney proposed sending every U.S. adult a $1,000 check to help with short-term obligations—rent, groceries, whatever it may be. The idea sounded familiar to followers of the 2020 Democratic primary race, specifically those who have watched the businessman Andrew Yang—who ran an outsider campaign based on what he sees as the need for universal basic income, or UBI. ...

Yang: It’s common sense. If you are any American who is exposed to any part of the economy, you see it’s being upended by the coronavirus. And you know there are limited ways that your neighbor or your co-worker or your former co-worker are going to be able to make ends meet—and you know that everything policy makers are talking about will be ineffective except for cash. The people know this. Politicians are quickly realizing it. And one reason I’m optimistic that it’s going to pass is: What is the political downside to giving everyone cash? I don’t see it. It’s like, you pass it and you look like a hero; you don’t pass it, you’re a moron. Even members of Congress can see that calculation.

Harris: And if you had one selling point to legislators who were still on the fence about this, what would that be?

Yang: You are going to be able to say to your constituents in your district: “I got money in your hands during this moment of need. When push came to shove, I came through for you.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-romney-yang-money/608134/?utm_source=feed
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 17, 2020, 08:07:10 AM
even some fiscally conservative Republicans agree that giving money directly to people might be the best response. Today, Senator Mitt Romney proposed sending every U.S. adult a $1,000 check to help with short-term obligations—rent, groceries, whatever it may be.
What is the word Republicans use for socialism when it's their idea?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 17, 2020, 08:22:15 AM
To be fair and consistent with conservative politics, the amount of money doled out to each citizen should be scaled according the the recipients' actual salary.  The CEO of Acme Corp will have much higher debt obligations than than the guy who pours my coffee at Dunkin Donuts.  A thousand dollars doesn't make a day's payment on his yacht.  Fairness dictates that those in the top 1% should receive payments on an order of 10,000 times greater than a social worker or cashier at Walmart, whose lazy asses don't deserve more than a check for $5.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 17, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
To be fair and consistent with conservative politics, the amount of money doled out to each citizen should be scaled according the the recipients' actual salary.  The CEO of Acme Corp will have much higher debt obligations than than the guy who pours my coffee at Dunkin Donuts.  A thousand dollars doesn't make a day's payment on his yacht.  Fairness dictates that those in the top 1% should receive payments on an order of 10,000 times greater than a social worker or cashier at Walmart, whose lazy asses don't deserve more than a check for $5.

Fuck the economy.  Give everyone a trillion dollars! (not sarcasm).  Zimbabwe is Wakanda.

Like the Papal Legate said during the Albigensian crusade ... concerning how to identify heretics vs regular people, "kill them all, let God sort them out"
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 17, 2020, 08:47:19 AM
Schools are closed here. As of today we are working from home if we can. You can go in to the office if you need to so no layoffs. Yet.

The boss is worried about the sick leave policy currently being discussed in DC. If he has to pay all 266 of us two weeks of sick leave we haven't earned it will probably put the company out of business.

The entire economy is a house of cards.  Burn it all down, like we should have in 2008.  We shouldn't have given banks, in US and in Europe, 14 trillion dollars.  It should have been given to the citizens (bottom up support, not tickle down).  We don't know any true economics, just urban myths.  We don't even understand the money in our pocket, in our debit card, in our credit card.  Stupid Apes! - Charlton Heston
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 17, 2020, 08:49:55 AM
What is the word Republicans use for socialism when it's their idea?

"Concentration Camp".  Dems prefer the term "Gulag".
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 17, 2020, 08:51:10 AM
They probably think it's gonna be like The Walking Dead.

Repubs - kill the Walking Dems.

Dems - kill the Walking Repubs.

Gotta love American politics!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 17, 2020, 08:53:05 AM
I think their arming themselves to protect from others with guns breaking into their houses and stealing things like toilet paper and hand sanitizer

You think you are joking.  But you don't know Americans.  We talk big but do little.  So we think about Zombie apocalypse, but we won't actually do it.

I do not plan on invading my neighbors property to steal there stuff.  But if their husband dies, I might form a harem ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 17, 2020, 09:04:27 AM
Today, I go back to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgZd0T6em8Q
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 17, 2020, 09:07:00 AM
Today, I go back to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgZd0T6em8Q
the sales for this book aught to be going through the roof right now. :)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 17, 2020, 10:00:16 AM
What are they planning to do? Shoot the virus?
(https://i.redd.it/h0qipkhi58n41.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 17, 2020, 12:47:14 PM
They've been saying in the papers the NHS will begin asking those with diabetes and other health conditions to self quarantine for 12 weeks.

Looks like I'll be joining my mother in purgatory.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 17, 2020, 01:13:27 PM
They've been saying in the papers the NHS will begin asking those with diabetes and other health conditions to self quarantine for 12 weeks.

Looks like I'll be joining my mother in purgatory.

You and me both brotha
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 17, 2020, 03:14:19 PM
Cases here jumped by 29 people today up to 48 now.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 17, 2020, 03:20:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7VQ30zL.jpg)
(https://media.tenor.com/images/aeb412826bf1146314166e4926a7bfc8/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 17, 2020, 06:36:25 PM
Well, up until today, I had actually been supportive of our Republican governor's work on limiting the coronavirus spread in Ohio.  He's been very good about staying ahead of it, not fearmongering, prepping people for the measures that are coming rather than just dropping them all in one huge lump.

Until now.  Told by the courts on Monday that he did not have the authority to postpone today's primary. he had the state's department of health chief order them closed as a public health measure.

Now.  Yes, there are good reasons to delay the primary, for the safety of the poll workers, for the sake of older and at-risk voters.

What you don't do is shut them down at the last minute without giving a date certain to hold them, without issuing clarification on whether absentee ballots will continue to be taken, without anything other than "Maybe first week of June".

The Ohio Democratic Party has sued on the grounds that moving an election date is the responsibility of the state legislature, not the governor or the secretary of state (https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-democratic-party-sues-over-delay-primary-election-2020-mar) -- which is exactly what the court told Governor DeWine on Monday.

Get yer popcorn out and stay tuned.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 17, 2020, 07:34:07 PM
Politicians will only care about politics, even when people are dying or sick around them.

They can't help it, it's how their programmed. It's why no politician should represent anyone
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 17, 2020, 07:49:44 PM
Politicians will only care about politics, even when people are dying or sick around them.

They can't help it, it's how their programmed. It's why no politician should represent anyone

Trump and some Republicans are considering a $1000 check as part of a coronavirus stimulus package. I read some Democrats are not happy about it because it might positively affect Trump's re-election. I hope the story about the Democrats isn't true.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 17, 2020, 08:53:51 PM
Trump and some Republicans are considering a $1000 check as part of a coronavirus stimulus package. I read some Democrats are not happy about it because it might positively affect Trump's re-election. I hope the story about the Democrats isn't true.
The (corporate) Dems have been pounding the "Howya gonna pay for it???" button for so long now that they haven't yet noticed that they're just punching themselves in the balls now.

And yes, something like this really could increase Trump's favorability rating a lot, especially with people who weren't already part of his fan club.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 17, 2020, 09:11:19 PM
Trump and some Republicans are considering a $1000 check as part of a coronavirus stimulus package. I read some Democrats are not happy about it because it might positively affect Trump's re-election. I hope the story about the Democrats isn't true.

pretty much, its an easy thing to manipulate when people are desperate.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 17, 2020, 09:16:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1nRMBg5K4c

funny video, but watching a few of these videos of supplies going short, not just in the uk and america but all over the world. It really paints a picture of the kind of society we do live in today.
Theres a video on twitter of an elderly woman in the uk talking about how it was in the blitz and how things were rationed then, things were limited but everyone got an equal share and they survived. She says compared to the blitz, this is unbelievable how selfish people are being.
She also reminded me of what mum once told me, how newpapers were saved and cut into squares and hung up on string in the outhouse back in the day.

I'm keeping all my newspapers now. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 17, 2020, 09:25:23 PM
Also, our dear dear christian friends over in south korea.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-outbreak-among-south-korean-churchgoers-traced-to-saltwater-spray/

Quote
Coronavirus outbreak among South Korean churchgoers traced to saltwater spray

Dozens of worshipers at a South Korean church were infected with the coronavirus after a contaminated bottle was used to spray saltwater into their mouths in the belief it would help prevent the spread of the deadly bug, according to a report.

A church official at the River of Grace Community Church in Gyeonggi Province, south of Seoul, inserted the spray bottle into the mouths of the congregants – including the pastor and his wife – during prayers attended by dozens of followers early this month, according to the South China Morning Post.

“It’s been confirmed that they put the nozzle of the spray bottle inside the mouth of a follower who was later confirmed as a patient, before they did likewise for other followers as well, without disinfecting the sprayer,” local coronavirus task force chief Lee Hee-young said, according to the news site.

“This made it inevitable for the virus to spread,” he said. “They did so out of the false belief that saltwater kills the virus.”

The place of worship was eventually closed and all those who attended the prayer services were being tested for COVID-19.

On Monday, South Korea confirmed 74 new cases, bringing its total to 8,236, but the number of people released from care after making a full recovery has been surpassing the number of new infections.

“It is still too early to relax,” Prime Minister Chung Sye Kyun said. “The government will concentrate its efforts on preventing cluster infections.”

Darwinism in action.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 17, 2020, 10:11:36 PM
pretty much, its an easy thing to manipulate when people are desperate.

That is why now is the time to implement the Vatican led world wide theocratic dictatorship ;-)) ... now that Iran will go extinct.

This is a dog year.  Ready to run in circles yapping at your own tail?  Us cat people don't do that ;-))
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 17, 2020, 10:13:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1nRMBg5K4c

funny video, but watching a few of these videos of supplies going short, not just in the uk and america but all over the world. It really paints a picture of the kind of society we do live in today.
Theres a video on twitter of an elderly woman in the uk talking about how it was in the blitz and how things were rationed then, things were limited but everyone got an equal share and they survived. She says compared to the blitz, this is unbelievable how selfish people are being.
She also reminded me of what mum once told me, how newpapers were saved and cut into squares and hung up on string in the outhouse back in the day.

I'm keeping all my newspapers now.

You are only 3 days away from nothing in the stores, if the trucks etc stop deliveries.  What?  You still have newspapers?  How are you going to clean your butt with your electronic social media?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 17, 2020, 10:58:32 PM
Per the great Bubonic Plague in Florence Italy 670+ years ago ... how did Italians respond then?  A famous work of literature ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhN62gBRwZ0&list=PLPfEJa7n8C040vCKphp9XhJOu0I45Ofi_
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 18, 2020, 06:22:14 AM
John Heilemann: Today, @realdonaldtrump said: “I’ve always known this is a pandemic. I’ve felt that it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic ... I’ve always viewed it as serious.”

Really??? Let’s roll the tape.

https://youtu.be/ch7_t2Ri2Zg
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 09:00:05 AM
If Trump is an evil genius, I will support him.  Do-gooders who are morons, will only get you hurt.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 09:06:53 AM
US Pandemic News:

"Coronavirus Spreads To All 50 States As 1st Case Reported In West Virginia" ... guess moonshine didn't disinfect ;-(

"Army will provide 5 million respirator masks & other equipment to states" ... this is all the military can do at this time.  The stockpile against germ warfare can be shared.  They cannot take care of infected people however, beyond military, military civilian and their family members.  Similarly with the VA.

"Spring-Breakers Pack Florida & Texas Beaches As Pandemic Threatens Societal Collapse" ... more proof that the youth vote is missing, and immature.

"Californians Calling Cops On Neighbors If They Hear Them Coughing" ... denounce all R and D people today.  The FEMA camps need filling.

"Washington Post Columnist Jennifer Rubin Says "There Will Be Less Democrat Deaths" Than Republican" .... won't matter when the Einsatzgruppen come for the MSM.

"More National Guard Troops Deployed In Georgia Than People Who've Tested Positive For Covid-19" ... this is an excuse to exercise the national bio-warfare plan ... except you got drafted to participate.  Practice for martial law.

"US Postpones April 15 Tax Deadline By 90 Days" ... I already paid mine ... damn!

"Like An Episode Of M*A*S*H: Hospitals Pitch Triage Tents, Prepare For Surge" ... military clinics are giving full triage screening to anyone arriving, patient or staff.  Taking my daughter to a medical appointment yesterday, at a civilian blood lab ... we were both screened the military way.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 09:10:19 AM
Non-US Pandemic News:

"Japan Olympics Official Tests Positive For COVID-19 As Training Camps Canceled Across Country" ... repeated protestations that the Tokyo Olympics won't be delayed, sound implausible now.

"US Army Halts Deployment Of Troops And Tanks To NATO's War Game Due To Pandemic Threat" ... no need to use kinetic action to destroy the EU (under cover of military exercise) ... just let their lame pandemic response to all the work.

"Hardliners Storm Popular Iran Shrine After It's Belatedly Shuttered Amid Outbreak" ... apparently they can't pray at home?

"German State TV 'Celebrates' Coronavirus For Killing Off Humans" ... Germ-men always do what they do best.


Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 09:16:31 AM
"MARXISM IN ACTION AS WIKIPEDIA SEEKS TO SANITIZE SPANISH FLU ARTICLE" ... CIA acts again and please their Chinese masters.

All your Wikipedia articles belong to the Middle Kingdom now! - Emperor Xi
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 18, 2020, 09:32:51 AM
Quote
US Postpones April 15 Tax Deadline By 90 Days

Thanks for posting that. I need to see how I can stop the automatic withdrawal I scheduled.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 11:09:50 AM
Thanks for posting that. I need to see how I can stop the automatic withdrawal I scheduled.

Check state tax code.  This is just Federal.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 12:30:07 PM
"Trump Invokes Defense Production Act In Coronavirus Response, Deploys FEMA In All Regions" ... another shoe drops, after National Emergency declaration.  Can you get a job in the National Guard, because after martial law starts, that will be the only job available.

"5.7 Magnitude Earthquake Hits Salt Lake City, Airport Shut Down" .... things have gotten so bad, Brigham Young is resurrecting! ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
PM Johnson closes British schools.  Good luck with that, parents and care givers.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 18, 2020, 02:55:32 PM
PM Johnson closes British schools.  Good luck with that, parents and care givers.

my brother is now working at home, sister in law can't get clients for her nail bar business. And now kids will be at home. I just hope online schooling will become a thing for their sake.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 18, 2020, 04:11:22 PM
Grandkid school closed for two weeks. She lives with us. Luckily I can afford options. Lots of people going to be in serious trouble. But hey, they gonna give us a whole 1000 bucks.....
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 18, 2020, 04:46:21 PM
Grandkid school closed for two weeks. She lives with us. Luckily I can afford options. Lots of people going to be in serious trouble. But hey, they gonna give us a whole 1000 bucks.....

This morning it was $2000. By tomorrow it will probably be $500. Not to worry though because whatever they decide on "I can afford options" means you probably won't qualify anyway.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 18, 2020, 04:56:20 PM
This morning it was $2000. By tomorrow it will probably be $500. Not to worry though because whatever they decide on "I can afford options" means you probably won't qualify anyway.
True that!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 18, 2020, 05:45:54 PM
Grandkid school closed for two weeks. She lives with us. Luckily I can afford options. Lots of people going to be in serious trouble. But hey, they gonna give us a whole 1000 bucks.....
I don't mind that Trump is trying to help those in need (bleeding-hearted guy that he is), but I worry that some of his charity giving might go to *THOSE* people.  Lie-abouts always on the government dole.

You know, billionaires.

As soon as they have a buck in their pocket, they blow it all away buying Senators and yachts.  SMH.  There should be mandatory screenings for designer drugs before they're allowed to accept it and some responsible person should remind them that it's a handup, not a handout.  Pull your failing airline up by its bootstraps!  It's easy!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 05:52:50 PM
"THE US-CANADA BORDER HAS BEEN CLOSED, IMMIGRATION SUSPENDED AND ASYLUM COURTS CLOSE" ... no more maple syrup for you!  Otherwise, Trump is achieving campaign promises the hard way.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 10:08:42 PM
"'Please Stop Shooting Each Other': Baltimore Mayor Begs Residents To Keep Hospital Beds Clear For Coronavirus Patients" - America is made up of many sub-cultures

"Organized Crime? Robberies By Suspects Wearing Virus Masks Reported Across East Coast" - What to do about the new law against wearing masks, so that the government can oppress you?

"JPMorgan Now Expects A Global Depression In The Second Quarter" ... hence military travel restrictions for 60 days.

I had to take my daughter long distance for a planned lab test yesterday, and during the trip we reviewed the current procedures for the pandemic.  Will be on local city self travel limit for the next 30 days, then reassess.  Military clinic and civilian clinic entry procedures in place (questionnaire and temp check).  We carried our own hand sanitizer wipes during our trip to the big city.  Local restaurants have closed dining areas if fast food (just take out from counter or drive-in), limited hours and limited seating in regular restaurants.  Local shopping open, limited checkout of some items, panic buying only happened one day last week (payday for many people).  Venues like movie studios are closed.

US pandemic support checks 4/6+ and second tranche 5/18+.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 18, 2020, 11:02:27 PM
https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/idris-elba-conspiracy-theory-black-people-coronavirus-095451784.html

black people are apparently immune to the virus. In other news, salt water in the mouth cures it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 18, 2020, 11:38:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e58r8x9kw8

Fact is the elderly and those with medical health conditions are the most vulnerable now, so supermarkets should be putting in laws to help support the most vulnerable. Having karen buying out all the toilet rolls because she never learned to close her legs with all her 18 boyfriends shouldn't be priority in this.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 18, 2020, 11:49:29 PM
I'm going to try my best not to become infected but because I work in an emergency department I know I will be eventually come into contact with coronavirus.

https://youtu.be/I5-dI74zxPg
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 19, 2020, 07:42:22 AM
Was on facetime with my brother, now he's home working. He made a very good point to me and mum, as bad as self isolation will feel after several weeks, the fact is doing so will receive anymore strain on the NHS which already is pushed to capacity.
I've got this kind of waking nightmare of mum struggling to breath and there being no hospital beds or doctors to help her.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 19, 2020, 08:12:13 AM
What's also got me worried, because I have convinced myself things will be okay long as we self isolate, what's worrying me is the fallout from this after it's finished.

Seeing reports of London looking to go on lockdown, bars, pubs, restaurants, theatres and cinemas closing down and workers for them going into isolation, but several have expressed they now fear so many of these places facing closer without customers.
I don't understand why this would be allowed, obviously places need to pay rent, you'd think the council's would put systems in place so such establishments don't be given foreclosure given the situation.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 19, 2020, 10:04:51 AM
What's also got me worried, because I have convinced myself things will be okay long as we self isolate, what's worrying me is the fallout from this after it's finished.

Seeing reports of London looking to go on lockdown, bars, pubs, restaurants, theatres and cinemas closing down and workers for them going into isolation, but several have expressed they now fear so many of these places facing closer without customers.
I don't understand why this would be allowed, obviously places need to pay rent, you'd think the council's would put systems in place so such establishments don't be given foreclosure given the situation.

Usually, national emergency plans cover the big questions but leave out all the details.  Yes, rumors that London and NYC may be shut down Italian style by Friday.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 19, 2020, 10:25:13 AM
What's also got me worried, because I have convinced myself things will be okay long as we self isolate, what's worrying me is the fallout from this after it's finished.

Seeing reports of London looking to go on lockdown, bars, pubs, restaurants, theatres and cinemas closing down and workers for them going into isolation, but several have expressed they now fear so many of these places facing closer without customers.
I don't understand why this would be allowed, obviously places need to pay rent, you'd think the council's would put systems in place so such establishments don't be given foreclosure given the situation.

The problem is people who have been unable to work for weeks or months are not going to have the money to go to restaurants and theaters. Some of these businesses will close, which will put more people out of work. There are estimates that unemployment in the US may eventually reach 20%. This is why the US government is approving stimulus packages to put money in the hands of businesses and consumers to slow the downturn.

From FiveThirtyEight:

... Crises have a way of exposing inequalities that linger uncomfortably below the surface when times are good. A few groups of workers are particularly likely to lack both paid leave and the ability to work from home: part-time workers, the youngest and oldest people in the workforce (those under the age of 25 and over the age of 65) and workers who fall below the 25th percentile of earnings.

... “It’s a bad week to be a waiter, or a cashier, or any kind of contractor whose work relies on in-person interaction,” said Jesse Rothstein, a professor of public policy and economics at the University of California, Berkeley. “Those people are going to see dramatic cuts to their income — their hours might be reduced, or they might lose their jobs altogether.”

Taken together, all of these factors create a bleak outlook, no matter what happens next. People who don’t have access to paid leave and the ability to work remotely are disproportionately likely to be low-income, which means if their workplace isn’t shuttered, they’re more likely to keep coming to work out of necessity, even if they’re not feeling well. That can put them at greater risk of being infected, since their coworkers may be doing the same thing. Research has found some workers in the food service industry kept coming to work even though they had symptoms of norovirus because they were afraid of losing their job or leaving their coworkers short-staffed.

And the possibility that many will lose their jobs or have their hours cut because of the coronavirus creates a whole new set of problems. A survey conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation from March 11 to 15 found that 73 percent of workers with a household income of less than $40,000 a year, 68 percent of part-time workers, and 60 percent of self-employed workers are worried that they will lose income due to a workplace closure or reduced hours because of the coronavirus. According to that survey, part-time and self-employed workers are likelier than full-time or salaried workers to say they’ve already lost income so far.

If the shutdowns persist, some employers may go out of business, leaving workers who weren’t permanently laid off with no job to return to. “We have to start thinking about what’s going to happen when people can’t pay their rent or mortgage,” Rothstein said. “Because these workers are going to start burning through their savings — if they have any at all.”
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 19, 2020, 10:25:22 AM
This is a good video on what happens when people are infected with coronavirus.

https://youtu.be/OOJqHPfG7pA
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 19, 2020, 11:21:47 AM
Welp, they've got us on the telecommuting bandwagon somehow (and not completely quite yet).  I will be in the office M-W and at home Th-F.  As it turns out, we can get into (almost) all our internal systems externally... but the one we're missing so far is a *big* one: our network shared drive, which is where everything happens for us.

Today was supposed to be my paid 'off' day; I just got called by my boss to clarify that the schedule we got put on yesterday and told goes into effect today... wasn't the actual schedule we were going to be on.  I can continue to stay home today, but I think I will go in anyway rather than burn my COVID time (they gave us 80 hours of that on top of our regular leave/sick time).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-pandemic-bangladesh-india-muslim-prayer-gathering-healing-verses-a9410476.html

Gotta pack like sardines to beat this easily communicable disease!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 19, 2020, 01:16:31 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-pandemic-bangladesh-india-muslim-prayer-gathering-healing-verses-a9410476.html

Gotta pack like sardines to beat this easily communicable disease!
Good Grief!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 19, 2020, 02:31:09 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-pandemic-bangladesh-india-muslim-prayer-gathering-healing-verses-a9410476.html

Gotta pack like sardines to beat this easily communicable disease!

Just further proving why we need closed borders at this time. Wait for the Darwin awards there to drop off before opening again
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 03:12:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vdKTWM8.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
But hey, it's not all bad.  Air pollution has decreased a lot in Italy (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/air-pollution-clears-in-northern-italy-after-coronavirus-lockdown-satellite-shows) and China (and presumably, other places that have hunkered down to stop the spread of disease)

I went outside for a brief walk and I was amazed at what seemed like much more nature activity than normal - more and louder birdsongs than I remember.  It might have seemed like more than it was because of the lack of competing human noise.  Or people scaring them away.  Or bad memory.  But it definitely seemed like nature was more active and vibrant than previously.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 19, 2020, 04:16:11 PM
But hey, it's not all bad.  Air pollution has decreased a lot in Italy (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/air-pollution-clears-in-northern-italy-after-coronavirus-lockdown-satellite-shows) and China (and presumably, other places that have hunkered down to stop the spread of disease)

I went outside for a brief walk and I was amazed at what seemed like much more nature activity than normal - more and louder birdsongs than I remember.  It could have just seemed like more than it was because of the lack of competing human noise.  Or scaring them away.  Or bad memory.  But it definitely seemed like nature was more active and vibrant than previously.

maybe because over 2k people have died in italy from it
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 19, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
because because over 2k people have died in italy from it

I don't think that Hyrda009 is Hydra or Thanos.  There are positive effects from bad events.  Particularly the effect on the "deplorables" from the result of the Black Death (labor rights and better wages).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 19, 2020, 04:29:20 PM
I don't think that Hyrda009 is Hydra or Thanos.  There are positive effects from bad events.  Particularly the effect on the "deplorables" from the result of the Black Death (labor rights and better wages).

pretty certain most governments dealing with pensions are all to happy to see those numbers decrease.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 19, 2020, 05:19:26 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-pandemic-bangladesh-india-muslim-prayer-gathering-healing-verses-a9410476.html

Gotta pack like sardines to beat this easily communicable disease!

Disney World the day before closing on Monday.

(https://internewscast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/disney-world-is-slammed-for-holding-a-huge-farewell-party-before-coronavirus-shutdown.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 06:10:15 PM
The only great thing about this pandemic is that now everyone has adopted my personal space ideal.

(if I can reach out and touch you, you're faaar too close.  10-30 feet, unless physically impossible or potentially lethal)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szjdoVR5EKs
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 19, 2020, 06:25:28 PM
My autobiography.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/e8/ec/fbe8ec908934af10ac4eafcc1c61a9a8.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 19, 2020, 06:59:09 PM
I have friends that suggested we get together during the isolation.  I asked them if that didn't defeat the purpose of isolation, and they thought it would be OK, because we knew each other, and it would be safe.  My guess is that this will not be an uncommon situation to deal with.  Personal borders are going to vary a great deal, as will personal tolerances for risk.

Never in my life, and it's been a fairly long life, have I been encouraged to self quarantine and isolate.  This is definitely new social territory.  When I was very young, I heard of quarantine, but it was presented to me as an antiquated artifact of earlier times.  If I remember right, I was told it was not found to be effective, and no longer used.  Now here we are at full circle.  Isolation is not something most humans do naturally.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 19, 2020, 07:29:45 PM
When I was very young, I heard of quarantine, but it was presented to me as an antiquated artifact of earlier times.  If I remember right, I was told it was not found to be effective, and no longer used.  Now here we are at full circle.  Isolation is not something most humans do naturally.

In your lifetime the chances are they were talking about leprosy.

Quarantine has been part of the protocol for dealing with infectious disease every since we figured out how it spreads.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 19, 2020, 07:58:22 PM
I'm not sure why the idea that quarantine is ineffective is believed. When you considered our understanding of diseases now, the structure of our modern societies, it's far better then how we operated at the time of the black death or cholera.
A person can completely isolate themselves off from the world in this day and age, work online, order everything in, never step a foot out their door, and yet know more about the world then someone from the 19th century would just working a simple job.

Obviously I'm not advocating anyone live that kind of life since we need social interaction, but it is something people can do now.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 19, 2020, 08:06:49 PM
In your lifetime the chances are they were talking about leprosy.

Quarantine has been part of the protocol for dealing with infectious disease every since we figured out how it spreads.

Most quarantines are small geographically.  Say, a Yellow Fever outbreak in Memphis Tennessee ... they only locked down Memphis.  We live in a global village now, filled with village idiots.

Leprosy was Hawaii, 19th century.  A Catholic priest there got a sainthood over it.  Leper colonies were tiny.

Latest update ... restaurants that were still open, serving sit down customers (with expanded personal space) are now take-out only.  I just have to order ahead and pick up ... I am not limited to McDonalds.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 19, 2020, 08:25:25 PM
In your lifetime the chances are they were talking about leprosy.
Not leprosy. This was in regards to common diseases probably around 1920 when my father was growing up.  He said it was common to see standard quarantine signs (I think he said they were yellow, but I'm not sure) plastered on front doors of individual homes .

Quarantine has been part of the protocol for dealing with infectious disease every since we figured out how it spreads.
I agree that it should be, but just a couple of years ago, a nurse returning from Africa where she worked with Ebola victims refused to comply with forced quarantine by the state, and ignited a firestorm of media sympathy that fueled outrage across the population that sent politicians with good intentions scurrying for cover and reversing the preventative measures they were trying to put in place.

Now just a couple years later, people seem to be supportive of the idea.  Close the restaurants, theaters, gyms, suspend air travel, and stop the trains.  I'm not opposed to quarantine, I'm just not making sense out of people's reactions.  I have also decided that I'm going to isolate, and will be telling my friends, we will not be gathering socially.  And I'm also anticipating some will be offended.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 19, 2020, 08:40:55 PM
As SGOS pointed out--the idea of quarantine is mostly new to the US population.  As a whole, they don't really know or understand what it means.  If we had had an actual leader, one of the important weapons to use would be information--information given by experts (who the orange asshole fired) on what, why, when, how, and for how long to self quarantine.  And to repeat that info every day until the crisis is over.  What does quarantine mean?  Only go to stores you are used to--to restaurants that are clean--only stay home--only visit people you know--stay a foot, 2 feet, 6 feet, 10 feet away from people?  The message needs to repeated over and over again. 

As a young child I came down with scarlet fever and my family was quarantined in our home for two weeks--sign on the front door and all.  Even then I remember being visited by at least one couple.  So, even then, people did not seem to give credence to what quarantine meant. 

CA gov. estimates half of CA will become infected.  I think it will be more than that.  My wife and I are not going anywhere for anything. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 08:42:25 PM
As SGOS pointed out--the idea of quarantine is mostly new to the US population.  As a whole, they don't really know or understand what it means.
Basically, humans are like a road network for diseases.  It can go anywhere and everywhere as long as the roads are open.  But every self-isolating person is like a dead-end road.  Enough dead ends and it runs out of gas.

#strained metaphor
#i tried
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 19, 2020, 08:46:00 PM
I'm not sure why the idea that quarantine is ineffective is believed.
I think maybe much of it is political, which often replaces reason in times of crisis.

Also, keep in mind, I was simply reporting things I was told as a child.  Yes, I believed them then because I heard it from adults.  And as you know much of what adults told us turns out to be wrong.

Obviously I'm not advocating anyone live that kind of life since we need social interaction, but it is something people can do now.
I'm going to do it to the best of my ability.  I'm in the high risk category being over 70 and with occasional bouts of asthma.  But for my age, I'm still healthy enough to hike and want to enjoy the out of doors for as long as I can.   Also, I tend to isolate anyway, which is a major part of what I like about being in the woods.

This part of the thread was me just reacting to the awkwardness of friends who want to get together, when I really don't need to.  I like my friends, and I don't like telling them not to come to my house.  But I think it's prudent at this time.  I will have to buy some groceries from time to time, which I'm not looking forward to, and I'm too far out in the woods to have any sort of delivery.  I don't think Fed Ex delivers milk and bread.  But that's going to be enough exposure for me.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 19, 2020, 09:02:10 PM
US stats:

Mar 15 - 48 total US fatalities

Mar 19 - 187 total US fatalities

So rate of increase over 4 recent days is ... cumulative fatalities doubling every 1.95 days ... so looking worse than last week, more like early March.

Ex and daughter are in home isolation.  I had to go out an shop for them today, otherwise I would be in home isolation too.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 19, 2020, 10:13:47 PM
"California Gov. Gavin Newsom announces statewide coronavirus 'stay at home' order" ... like France and Italy ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 19, 2020, 11:16:38 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

good example. Any disease has to reach its peak, and the best we can hope for is the population infected is strong enough or capable enough to fight off the worst of it before it starts to decline.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 19, 2020, 11:19:48 PM
But hey, it's not all bad.  Air pollution has decreased a lot in Italy (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/air-pollution-clears-in-northern-italy-after-coronavirus-lockdown-satellite-shows) and China (and presumably, other places that have hunkered down to stop the spread of disease)

I went outside for a brief walk and I was amazed at what seemed like much more nature activity than normal - more and louder birdsongs than I remember.  It might have seemed like more than it was because of the lack of competing human noise.  Or people scaring them away.  Or bad memory.  But it definitely seemed like nature was more active and vibrant than previously.
Yeah, I've noticed Canada geese everywhere -- moreso than usual.  Unfortunately, Canada geese are the biggest jerks of the bird kingdom.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 19, 2020, 11:23:31 PM
She is now officially my favorite little old lady (https://www.indy100.com/article/coronavirus-panic-buying-gran-rant-video-watch-9412031).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 19, 2020, 11:24:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETcThxmUcAEpGzb?format=jpg&name=900x900)

I was very put off today when I learned a friend of my mum, who she often sees for coffee each week, and whos married to a man who developed pneumonia last year so his respiratory system is weakened, instead of the both of them paying mind to the doctors and government and health experts saying to say in and stock up on supplies, they both decided they were bored with it and went out for a walk, went to the local store, even went into the town center. She's in her 80s.

I feel like getting my mums phone and calling her telling her she will die and might infect others while doing so. We're all bored and will be bored and fed up being trapped indoors, but its just simply the best thing we have now, and its just fucking everyone else around not following it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 02:06:18 AM
Yeah, I've noticed Canada geese everywhere -- moreso than usual.  Unfortunately, Canada geese are the biggest jerks of the bird kingdom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5RtrcQ2Hcg

Awe ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on March 20, 2020, 06:15:10 AM
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/vintage-hand-washing-posters-1900s/
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
Its haunting, hearing just how many people are dying in Italy. The fact their just needing to pile the dead into trucks and families finding out their loved ones are just another body in the pile. That's terrifying :(

I just want to do everything I can now to protect my love ones if it gets this bad here.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 08:15:57 AM
Center of conspiracy theory ... that US is involved with the start of this pandemic ...

http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/about

PS ... "NEW FORECAST SAYS TRUMP WILL LOSE IN NOVEMBER AMID FAILING ECONOMY" ... quid pro quo.  Gates/Microsoft an agent of China?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 20, 2020, 08:19:58 AM
Its haunting, hearing just how many people are dying in Italy. The fact their just needing to pile the dead into trucks and families finding out their loved ones are just another body in the pile. That's terrifying :(

I just want to do everything I can now to protect my love ones if it gets this bad here.
My brother was giving me shit about missing work (a job where I am very likely to get sick) but I told him that my number one priority was not getting sick and spreading it, everything else be damned.  He works and lives alone, so it's not much of a problem for him.  I get sick and I could likely kill someone.  So screw his opinion.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:26:22 AM
My brother was giving me shit about missing work (a job where I am very likely to get sick) but I told him that my number one priority was not getting sick and spreading it, everything else be damned.  He works and lives alone, so it's not much of a problem for him.  I get sick and I could likely kill someone.  So screw his opinion.

Exactly, you should show him the people dying in Italy to hammer in the fact hes wrong, and he could kill other people if he doesn't follow the guidelines
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 20, 2020, 08:35:13 AM
Its haunting, hearing just how many people are dying in Italy. The fact their just needing to pile the dead into trucks and families finding out their loved ones are just another body in the pile. That's terrifying :(

I just want to do everything I can now to protect my love ones if it gets this bad here.
I just googled this.  Italy has the second largest elderly population next to Japan, which may account for the high death rate.  The higher death rate for seniors is not a statistic in my favor.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 20, 2020, 08:46:34 AM
80 cases now in my country, most of them in the capital next to where I live. It's getting outta hand here, although there's some sign it's "flattening the curve", as it was 72 cases yesterday.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 20, 2020, 08:48:37 AM
Exactly, you should show him the people dying in Italy to hammer in the fact hes wrong, and he could kill other people if he doesn't follow the guidelines
Won't work.  He's not a pathos kind of guy.  I have to make it clear that a little missed work hours (which I can always get back by working extra later on) is less detrimental to myself and society as a whole than spreading the disease - Logos.  Or appealing to government/medical experts pleading for people to stay indoors - Ethos.

Also, this is a crisis that doesn't feel like a crisis, so he's sadly operating on business-as-normal logic.  This isn't like a hurricane, I can't look outside and see the devastation.  But it's there.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 20, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
My brother was giving me shit about missing work (a job where I am very likely to get sick) but I told him that my number one priority was not getting sick and spreading it, everything else be damned.  He works and lives alone, so it's not much of a problem for him.  I get sick and I could likely kill someone.  So screw his opinion.
I think this hardline approach makes sense.  This pandemic is new for most of us today.  We don't know a lot yet about controlling it, but erring on the side of safety seems reasonable.  Trump's burry your head in the sand approach was not helpful at best, and very dangerous at worst.  His advisors got him to do a 180 on this, but many supporters will still be cherry picking from the contradictions.  I will never forget all those man on the street interviews on TV before the last presidential election, where the number one response from Trump supporters was, "He says it like it is."   It was a Bumper sticker mentality that swept through conservative voters.  It was also an untruth.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:57:51 AM
Won't work.  He's not a pathos kind of guy.  I have to make it clear that a little missed work hours (which I can always get back by working extra later on) is less detrimental to myself and society as a whole than spreading the disease - Logos.  Or appealing to government/medical experts pleading for people to stay indoors - Ethos.

Also, this is a crisis that doesn't feel like a crisis, so he's sadly operating on business-as-normal logic.  This isn't like a hurricane, I can't look outside and see the devastation.  But it's there.

Well just hope you and your loved ones stay safe. Just hope the hardline seriousness of this doesn't hit your brother in the worst way.

That goes for everyone here by the way, everyone stay safe, make updates how your all doing
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 09:01:18 AM
I think this hardline approach makes sense.  This pandemic is new for most of us today.  We don't know a lot yet about controlling it, but erring on the side of safety seems reasonable.  Trump's burry your head in the sand approach was not helpful at best, and very dangerous at worst.  His advisors got him to do a 180 on this, but many supporters will still be cherry picking from the contradictions.  I will never forget all those man on the street interviews on TV before the last presidential election, where the number one response from Trump supporters was, "He says it like it is."   It was a Bumper sticker mentality that swept through conservative voters.  It was also an untruth.

President Obama and Swine flu 2009 ... cough, cough.  Untruth = Politics.

In Europe however, they had the "herd mentality" about "herd immunity" but have done a 180 after seeing Italy die off.  They didn't mind if all seniors die.  But younger people get it too, and this is the first wave of the infection.  For Spanish flu there were three waves, and the second wave was the worst (because just because you survived the first wave, you were still so sick your acquired immunity was ineffective).

Enjoy your police state ... the lockdown is self-perpetuating.  Italy is thinking of calling out their army, so is France.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 20, 2020, 09:24:48 AM
It is possible that I am overreacting in going on full lockdown so soon instead of going to work and taking reasonable precautions.

But we won't know until later if I made the right call.  If there's a high deathtoll and I know I contributed to it, that would make me very, very unhappy.

The news I've seen lately makes me think that my self-imposed isolation is no overreaction:  https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241329066.html
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 20, 2020, 09:43:20 AM
There are now more than 10,000 people dead from Covid-19.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 20, 2020, 09:51:21 AM
There is nothing I would like better than learning that all the media hype and World Health Organization's warnings was just an over reaction.  It would be a great relief to be sure.  But in a world of alternate facts, utube, and President Trump's early morning dream tweets, we more than ever have to exercise caution and take appropriate responsibility on our own.

My sister in Chicago is in a women's book club that was making plans for a special pizza party meeting during the pandemic.  My sister said she would not attend because she was planning to isolate.  She said everyone looked her blankly.  As it turned out, a week later, they canceled the plan.  I'm thinking many people aren't giving the pandemic much thought, but that talking about the problem publicly may cause others (some others) to think.  I have no idea what the outcome of that thinking will be, of course.  But I think taking a personal stand and letting others know why you are is reasonable.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 10:20:02 AM
It is possible that I am overreacting in going on full lockdown so soon instead of going to work and taking reasonable precautions.

But we won't know until later if I made the right call.  If there's a high deathtoll and I know I contributed to it, that would make me very, very unhappy.

The news I've seen lately makes me think that my self-imposed isolation is no overreaction:  https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241329066.html

You gotta take responsibility for yourself and your family, all the time.  Normal time or pandemic time.  If you can afford to skip work, I don't see any reason not to.  But most people don't have that option.  I wouldn't feel guilty going out in a limited way, provided I don't have symptoms.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 10:26:10 AM
Current US news ...

"California coronavirus lockdown: Cannabis dispensaries listed as 'essential' businesses" ... they are counted with pharmacies, which are also not shut down.

What is different from California vs where I live, is we aren't on complete shutdown, and in-dining restaurants are closed in California, period.  Here I can still get take-out.  Essential services both civilian and government will remain open, even in California.  Middle class people are starting to extend the panic to getting cash out of banks, not just raiding all the TP at Walmart.  Four US senators have been caught making insider trading (like Martha Stewart) after a private briefing to Congress, before the first big drop in the Stock Market.

A young friend of mine was caught in a bind, wanted to go to his relatives in California last weekend, for a couple weeks stay.  They told him not to come.  Did they know what the California governor was going to do? ;-)

Early analysis of cases from China ...

Not all dangerous Covid leads to pneumonia.  A significant percentage are gastro-intestinal.  So you can get Covid as a stomach flu, depending on how it enters your body.  If it goes to your lungs, you get pneumonia, otherwise not.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 20, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
I called in a prescription refill and the pharmacist said starting next week they are mailing all refills and waiving any additional fees.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 12:45:07 PM
On banking here ... in lobby banking is closed.  Only drive-thru banking available.  If you need in your safety deposit box you need to make an appointment.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 03:00:06 PM
I called in a prescription refill and the pharmacist said starting next week they are mailing all refills and waiving any additional fees.

here in the uk, Boots, our main pharmacy brand where I get my prescription from, as of the moment has a charge fee of £52 for home deliveries for medication. I'm waiting to see them change this in this current time. Luckily I got enough insulin for several more weeks.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 20, 2020, 03:10:30 PM
My 78 year old, asthmatic mother is on her... third trip today out of the house. Nearly everyday she goes out, or talks to neighbours.

I've given up trying to warn her at this point. I went out of my way to isolate myself to protect her, but she is out and about more than me even if I wasn't staying home.

Now I am just frustrated because if she brings it back here I am probably fucked as well. I already have breathing issues and smoke way too much (haven't in about a month in preparation, but still)... and I've already decided if it comes to worse I would donate my ICU bed to someone who needs it more... to someone who actually has a future.

No one here in my small town is taking this seriously... and it is a retirement town with a high poverty rate, so if it spreads it's going to hit it hard.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 20, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprCOVdfPps

What a fucking cunt.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 20, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
Isolating isn't an option for me until the government decides drug stores and pharmacies aren't an essential service (or we get too many sick workers to stay open). Luckily the higher-ups at my company are good folks, and doing everything in their power to keep us supplied with gloves and disinfectant. They haven't been able to get us masks, but we're allowed to wear our own if we have them.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
Isolating isn't an option for me until the government decides drug stores and pharmacies aren't an essential service (or we get too many sick workers to stay open). Luckily the higher-ups at my company are good folks, and doing everything in their power to keep us supplied with gloves and disinfectant. They haven't been able to get us masks, but we're allowed to wear our own if we have them.

Stay safe. Has your pharmacy moved into more home deliveries during this time?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 05:28:56 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/evangeline-lilly-coronavirus-self-isolate-instagram-avengers-lost-a9411686.html?amp

Bloody idiot. Shes as bad as the Chad's in Florida right now having a beach party
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 20, 2020, 05:35:40 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/italys-virus-kills-priests-bless-dying-112825691.html (https://news.yahoo.com/italys-virus-kills-priests-bless-dying-112825691.html)

Quote
Rome (AFP) - They come to bless those suffering the most from the novel coronavirus. And then, more and more often, Italy's priests die themselves.

The diocese of Bergamo northeast of Milan appears to have been ravaged the most by the stealth killer.

At least 10 of its priests have died of COVID-19, the Catholic daily Avvenire reported Thursday.

The deaths, whether of priests or members of their communities, are "so numerous that it is difficult to count", the paper wrote.

Five more fatalities were registered in the city of Parma. Still more virus-related deaths emerged among priests in Brescia, Cremona and the northern industrial hub of Milan itself.

All these parishes are clustered in Italy's north, the virus's target from the day the Catholic country's first death was reported four weeks ago.

More than 3,400 Italians have died from the virus since then.

Italy has taken over the grim title of being the global epicentre of the pandemic from China, where COVID-19 was first reported in late December.

- Dying more than doctors -

Like doctors, Italy's priests come in contact with the disease's most serious cases.

And like doctors, priests are known to congregate among themselves in close quarters, creating the perfect conditions for contagion.

A count by Italy's ANSA news agency on Thursday put the number of medics killed by the disease at 13.

Figures reported by Italian media suggest the death toll among priests is higher. At least 18 priests have been reported killed.

"Dressed in a mask, a cap, gloves, a robe and protective glasses, we priests walk around the halls like zombies," Father Claudio del Monte told Italy's Adnkronos news agency.

Del Monte has a parish in Bergamo, a walled, hillside city of 120,000, with square towers and slanted terracotta roofs familiar to tourists of many scenic Italian towns.

Its province is now Italy's worst-affected. With 4,634 infections as of Friday, it had piled up 11 percent of all of Italy's cases.

Its population accounts for just 0.2 percent of Italy's total.

Bergamo has so many dead that army trucks had to deliver supplies of freshly-made wooden coffins Thursday.

It has so many dead that mortuaries can no longer hold them all.

"We no longer know where to put the dead," the bishop of Bergamo, Francesco Beschi, told the Vatican News site.

Standing and looking at the coffins makes him feel "very heavy", Beschi said.

- Dying of zeal -

Like all the other victims, the clergymen are buried without ceremony.

Funerals, along with weddings, have been banned for over a week to stem contagion. They may not be allowed again for many more weeks or months.

"It is painful to see the priests fall sick," Enrico Salmi, the bishop of Parma, told the Avvenire.

"Sometimes it happens (to them) out of pastoral zeal. They enter the intensive care unit where, naturally, no one is supposed to go."

Touched by the plight of the priests of Bergamo, Pope Francis placed a call Wednesday to Beschi, the parish bishop.

Pope Francis was "very impressed by the suffering of the many dead," Beschi said in a statement.

The Argentine-born pontiff has repeatedly called on priests to spend more time visiting the sick.

Where is your fucking god now, morons?

The pope should've instead implore caution and health advice, but nooooOOOoooo, let's just pretend we're above this infectious disease.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/italys-virus-kills-priests-bless-dying-112825691.html (https://news.yahoo.com/italys-virus-kills-priests-bless-dying-112825691.html)

Where is your fucking god now, morons?

The pope should've instead implore caution and health advice, but nooooOOOoooo, let's just pretend we're above this infectious disease.

Surprising twist, churches here in England have stopped church gatherings and restricted weddings to only 5 people

Though I'd wonder why anyone would want to get married at this time. "Oh remember our wedding day, people were dying of a disease all over the world, but it was such lovely weather ^^"
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 20, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 06:11:02 PM
"THEY'VE STARTED ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR BREAKING QUARANTINE, MAGAZINE PREDICTS TOTAL US LOCKDOWN" ... British woman, in hotel pool by herself, in Tenerife ... was arrested for violated quarantine.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...

Sorry for the accident, and the exposure.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 06:18:51 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...

Ouch :S, hope your fingers okay.
As for the worry, you were wearing the mask. You didnt wipe your face right? Remember the virus isn't airborn but through droplets of human fluids.

If anything develops call the emergency number right away, but don't stress out.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 20, 2020, 06:23:51 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...
That fucking sucks, man.

Stay safe.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 20, 2020, 06:25:08 PM
... and here's some more dark, satirical humour from Jreg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvNwojDx3aE
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 20, 2020, 06:31:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprCOVdfPps

What a fucking cunt.
That was bizarre.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
That was bizarre.

Trump could have handled himself better, but the reporters are sensationalists looking to hype people up with fear in order to sell papers, let's not pretend either were moral crusaders here.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 20, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
Trump could have handled himself better, but the reporters are sensationalists looking to hype people up with fear in order to sell papers, let's not pretend either were moral crusaders here.

I'm not even going to say your wrong, but when the question is literally...

"What would you tell people who are afraid?"

And your response is...

"How DARE you ask me that question?"

there is literally only one side that is wrong in that equation.

And given how non-serious the media was taking the coronavirus until literally only a week or so ago, I don't think I would say they have been fear-mongering this situation. If anything, they didn't spark enough fear.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 06:46:49 PM
Trump could have handled himself better, but the reporters are sensationalists looking to hype people up with fear in order to sell papers, let's not pretend either were moral crusaders here.

Will martial law lead to the mass arrest of Democrats?  Fighting the Commander-in-Chief during a war-like emergency is ... a bad idea.  In the US; Congress, the WH and the governors can all declare emergencies ... though historically Congress and the WH have always done this conjoined.

In France, President Macron is less powerful than the American President, but more powerful than his PM.  In GB, the PM is more powerful than the ceremonial positions (Speaker of the House of Commons etc), but usually isn't the C-in-C ... the Minister of Defense is (though Churchill uniquely combined both positions in himself during WW II).

Yes, sensationalism is bad, but normal.  But under emergency powers it is sedition to spread rumors, which is a felony.  This was hard enough in an era of newspapers and magazines, but we are way beyond that now.  This is why President Obama, just in case, instituted an Internet kill-switch.  The usual suspects are probably itching to exercise that, just to see if it works or not.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 06:50:52 PM
I'm not even going to say your wrong, but when the question is literally...

"What would you tell people who are afraid?"

And your response is...

"How DARE you ask me that question?"

there is literally only one side that is wrong in that equation.

And given how non-serious the media was taking the coronavirus until literally only a week or so ago, I don't think I would say they have been fear-mongering this situation. If anything, they didn't spark enough fear.

I don't rely on the MSM.  Bannon's daily channel (radio and Youtube, broadcast in multiple languages, including directly into China) has had exclusive daily pandemic coverage from Jan 28.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 20, 2020, 06:57:32 PM
Trump could have handled himself better, but the reporters are sensationalists looking to hype people up with fear in order to sell papers, let's not pretend either were moral crusaders here.
Munch, the orange asshole is supposed to be a leader and a leader has to answer questions like those--that's his job.  Well, supposed to be his job--we all know that the orange asshole has one job and that is to plunder this country as much as he possibly can.  I guess we can also see that he has two other sub-jobs--dismantle whatever Obama had built and destroy the media.  How is that reporter's question sensationalism?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
Munch, the orange asshole is supposed to be a leader and a leader has to answer questions like those--that's his job.  Well, supposed to be his job--we all know that the orange asshole has one job and that is to plunder this country as much as he possibly can.  I guess we can also see that he has two other sub-jobs--dismantle whatever Obama had built and destroy the media.  How is that reporter's question sensationalism?

Look people want to be reassured thats true, right now people are scared and they need to hear things of encouragement. Trump in his own special way seem to be trying to deliver that, not that there was any guarantee what he was saying was honest, but even so, the last thing a newspaper should be publishing is sensationalist bullshit in order to hype up fear within people.

At first trump seemed to be be doing that, until he got triggered by the reporter, and now people are going to see their president reacting this way and it will just make things worse.

This is why I no longer buy newspapers
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 07:07:49 PM
Munch, the orange asshole is supposed to be a leader and a leader has to answer questions like those--that's his job.  Well, supposed to be his job--we all know that the orange asshole has one job and that is to plunder this country as much as he possibly can.  I guess we can also see that he has two other sub-jobs--dismantle whatever Obama had built and destroy the media.  How is that reporter's question sensationalism?

President Obama ... answered which questions regarding Swine Flu in 2010?

"Mike Pompeo announces closure of US-Mexico border" ... yeah!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 20, 2020, 08:02:10 PM
Look people want to be reassured thats true, right now people are scared and they need to hear things of encouragement. Trump in his own special way seem to be trying to deliver that, not that there was any guarantee what he was saying was honest, but even so, the last thing a newspaper should be publishing is sensationalist bullshit in order to hype up fear within people.

At first trump seemed to be be doing that, until he got triggered by the reporter, and now people are going to see their president reacting this way and it will just make things worse.

This is why I no longer buy newspapers

Trump has not been doing just that though.

I realise in Scotland you are (hopefully?) not bombarded with Trump clips on T.V. every hour and don't have your shows interrupted for his press conferences, but up until a few days ago he was saying this was all a Democrat Hoax to hurt his popularity. Then he started blaming the medical communities lack of resources on Obama. Then he...

It's literally a laundry list of just, "Someone else's fault! Someone else's responsibility! I don't know, I think things are going well!". He listened to one of the top medical professionals in the nation explain how things are going to exponentially worse... and literally 5 seconds later starts saying, "Yeah, so like he said... your going to see in a few days the numbers go to zero. Really amazing. Really amazing."

He said on national television that he didn't want to help the victims aboard cruise ships, and this is in his own words, because it would hurt his ratings when the number of American cases would more than double in one day. He did say he would let them disembark because the experts said it was the smart thing to do, but if it was up to him they would be kept on the ship.

Every press conference, every day... he stammers and contradicts what the experts around him says. The state department has multiple times had to go back and say, "Yes, this is what he said... but this is what we are ACTUALLY doing.".

He makes fucking George Bush Jr. look like an orator on the level of JFK or FDR, for christ's sake.

Let me put that into even better perspective... I am actually REALLY starting to like Mike Pence because, for all his theocratic flaws, he actually seems like a competent adult when put next to Trump.

Again, I realise you are probably exposed to just the few positive sound clips where he actually manages to stay on topic long enough to say something important... but for people who have to actually live here and see the entire thing, not just the soundbytes, he is off the fucking rails. You watch him stand behind the experts making this face of, "Wow... this is boring. Cant I just go golf and let you guys handle it?" or his constant interrupting of professionals to which they then have to clarify that what he said was not true (while walking a tight rope of not offending him) and it's about as close to the polar opposite of "leadership" that you can get.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 08:22:04 PM
Yes, Hillary is a goddess ... not!  Biden is senile ... yes!  Rahm Emanuel "Never Let A Good Crisis Go To Waste", son of Mossad father.

"Israel Debates 'Total Suspension Of Individual Freedom' In Knesset Intel Hearing" .. neo-Cons and neo-Libs may die from the blue-balls ..

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 20, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
Look people want to be reassured thats true, right now people are scared and they need to hear things of encouragement. Trump in his own special way seem to be trying to deliver that, not that there was any guarantee what he was saying was honest, but even so, the last thing a newspaper should be publishing is sensationalist bullshit in order to hype up fear within people.

At first trump seemed to be be doing that, until he got triggered by the reporter, and now people are going to see their president reacting this way and it will just make things worse.

This is why I no longer buy newspapers
That the 'Most Powerful Leader' of the world can be so easily 'triggered' by a reporter doing his job speaks volumes--and none of it good .  Yes, people want to be reassured--and they want to be told what to do and why to do it.  Trump has never delivered on  any of that.  He has been all of his life an orange asshole and he has not changed.  And he is not a smart person--clever and cunning when it comes to his own welfare, but not in any other way.  It is the job of a free press to get to the bottom of things--to find the truth.  With trump there is no truth one can rely on, for it changes with each and every sentence he utters and tweets.  From my point of view, the press has not done it's job --it's been way too easy on the orange asshole.  And in this situation, questions dealing with the virus needs to be answered daily--and the orange asshole cares nothing about this country.  The press should never let that slide, but hold him to his word and report accurately his actions.  From my point of view, trump has made this crisis what it is and has not made me feel anything but more fearful about it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 08:40:39 PM
The same political nerds do what they always do ;-)

On US Covid news ...

"IRS Moves Tax-Filing-Day From April 15 To July 15, Mnuchin Says" ... as previously reported.

On non-US Covid news ...

"Martial Law France: Citizens Forced To Fill Out Form Every Time They Leave Home" ... so goes the mother country of the French revolution.  Guillotines next?

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:46:04 PM
Trump has not been doing just that though.

I realise in Scotland you are (hopefully?) not bombarded with Trump clips on T.V. every hour and don't have your shows interrupted for his press conferences, but up until a few days ago he was saying this was all a Democrat Hoax to hurt his popularity. Then he started blaming the medical communities lack of resources on Obama. Then he...

It's literally a laundry list of just, "Someone else's fault! Someone else's responsibility! I don't know, I think things are going well!". He listened to one of the top medical professionals in the nation explain how things are going to exponentially worse... and literally 5 seconds later starts saying, "Yeah, so like he said... your going to see in a few days the numbers go to zero. Really amazing. Really amazing."

He said on national television that he didn't want to help the victims aboard cruise ships, and this is in his own words, because it would hurt his ratings when the number of American cases would more than double in one day. He did say he would let them disembark because the experts said it was the smart thing to do, but if it was up to him they would be kept on the ship.

Every press conference, every day... he stammers and contradicts what the experts around him says. The state department has multiple times had to go back and say, "Yes, this is what he said... but this is what we are ACTUALLY doing.".

He makes fucking George Bush Jr. look like an orator on the level of JFK or FDR, for christ's sake.

Let me put that into even better perspective... I am actually REALLY starting to like Mike Pence because, for all his theocratic flaws, he actually seems like a competent adult when put next to Trump.

Again, I realise you are probably exposed to just the few positive sound clips where he actually manages to stay on topic long enough to say something important... but for people who have to actually live here and see the entire thing, not just the soundbytes, he is off the fucking rails. You watch him stand behind the experts making this face of, "Wow... this is boring. Cant I just go golf and let you guys handle it?" or his constant interrupting of professionals to which they then have to clarify that what he said was not true (while walking a tight rope of not offending him) and it's about as close to the polar opposite of "leadership" that you can get.

I can understand what your feeling. Like I said, at this time, people want assurance, what people are looking for more then anything is a way to defend from this invisible threat and how much their lives will be upended, or made worse by it, so what people want is to hear those in charge and with power have some kind of strategy, each country leader needing to be commander and chief.

So I can understand how frustrating it must me have him on stage. I've often just seen the light side of trump being in power because of political reasons and todays social demographic and just how someone like him getting in power like that made everything into a circus act, like a bad parody, so from afar it just became something to laugh about.
But, at this time, this very serious point we're all facing around the world, he isn't the kind of person who would ever have been ready for this kind of event. Not many leaders could have been, but some have shown more competency then he did. I at first was reluctant about Boris in his handling over it, but he's actually starting to push things forward and I'm thankful for that.

I do think if this happened several years ago you'd be in a better position with obama in how he'd handle it. After all something like handling a country at a time like this, its not just a case of giving some guff words to the press, its about making decisions rapidly to protect people, and trump has just dragged his hails over this.

I dunno what hillary would have done, maybe little better, maybe little worse, who can say. But at it stands I can understand what people are feeling this way, I think if May was still prime minister here I'd be feeling more unsettled, since her track record of decision making was awful.

Anyway, was never defending trump, I was just looking at both angles in terms of the press and how they operated, and both just seemed like a circus act to me. Maybe at the end of all this trumps handling of it will motivate people all the more into voting against him, so in a messed up way their is one good thing to come from it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:48:49 PM
The same political nerds do what they always do ;-)

On US Covid news ...

"IRS Moves Tax-Filing-Day From April 15 To July 15, Mnuchin Says" ... as previously reported.

On non-US Covid news ...

"Martial Law France: Citizens Forced To Fill Out Form Every Time They Leave Home" ... so goes the mother country of the French revolution.  Guillotines next?

thing that I'm curious about it, if people break that law, what are they going to do, throw them in prison? overcrowded prison, more disease spread. Maybe better to just put a tracker on people and have them under house arrest if they want to go that far with it.

lets just hope they can get toilet paper delivered.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 08:49:56 PM
What I learned in 2016 ...

1. You must choose sides, Independents will be crucified by both parties.

2. You must choose "our" party, because the other party is evil and stupid.

3. Being fair is evil, because if you don't completely condemn the "other" side, you are a "fellow traveler".
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 08:51:08 PM
thing that I'm curious about it, if people break that law, what are they going to do, throw them in prison? overcrowded prison, more disease spread. Maybe better to just put a tracker on people and have them under house arrest if they want to go that far with it.

lets just hope they can get toilet paper delivered.

France is putting out hefty fines so far, 150 euros.

USA not so much, we are even not enforcing misdemeanors and considering emptying the prisons into the general population (since most prisoners shouldn't be there in the first place).

Obama did nothing in 2010, nobody did.  Don't praise his alternative universe, where the Republican Congress would have blocked everything anyway.  Obama was a post-colonial Kenyan in politics, hates White people, Anglophones in particular.  He is possessed by the evil ghost of his absentee father.  And I voted for him twice (I am my own kind of Left).  So how would an American hating President handle things?  About like a British hating PM did (May).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:56:59 PM
France is putting out hefty fines so far, 150 euros.

USA not so much, we are even not enforcing misdemeanors and considering emptying the prisons into the general population (since most prisoners shouldn't be there in the first place).

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2020/03/19/spring-break-beaches-florida-look-packed-despite-coronavirus-spread/2873248001/

This kinda thing I just find terrifying. This level of ignorance is just so harmful, some corn brained chads think its not a big deal, but when he contracts the virus, brings it home, and his parents and grandparents get it, and die, yeah, someone needs to tazer these morons.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 20, 2020, 08:59:26 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...
Welcome to the four and a half finger club!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 09:10:56 PM
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2020/03/19/spring-break-beaches-florida-look-packed-despite-coronavirus-spread/2873248001/

This kinda thing I just find terrifying. This level of ignorance is just so harmful, some corn brained chads think its not a big deal, but when he contracts the virus, brings it home, and his parents and grandparents get it, and die, yeah, someone needs to tazer these morons.

Raise voting age to 25?  Studies show men aren't mature before 25.

PS ... Gov Cuomo put New York (state) on lockdown same as California.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 20, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Let me put that into even better perspective... I am actually REALLY starting to like Mike Pence because, for all his theocratic flaws, he actually seems like a competent adult when put next to Trump.
As much as an uncooked spud is better tasting than a flaming bag of shit.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 20, 2020, 09:32:32 PM
Welcome to the four and a half finger club!

Right now that's funny. Tomorrow when the block wears off maybe not...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 20, 2020, 09:36:52 PM
I dunno what hillary would have done, maybe little better, maybe little worse, who can say. But at it stands I can understand what people are feeling this way, I think if May was still prime minister here I'd be feeling more unsettled, since her track record of decision making was awful.
I think it's a fair guess that Hillary wouldn't have dismantled the CDC's pandemic response team (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump-united-states-public-health-emergency-response/), or try to cut their budget while the pandemic worsened (https://fortune.com/2020/02/26/coronavirus-covid-19-cdc-budget-cuts-us-trump/), all the while insisting that it was "under control" and going to "go away" (https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/484552-trump-says-coronavirus-under-control-in-us) in direct contradiction of the administration's own experts.

It think it's a pretty safe bet that it couldn't have been worse.  How much better, I don't know, but it clearly couldn't have been worse.  May's response would have been better than the Oval Orifice's.  BoJo is handling it better than the Oval Orifice.  Nigel fucking Farage could've handled it better.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 20, 2020, 09:37:39 PM
My gym is closed indefinitely.  I can't go there now.  Course, I didn't go there before.  But now I can't go there.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 20, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Got a text from a friend the other day: "The governor says don't go to the gym, don't get a haircut, don't socialize, just stay at home.  YOU'VE BEEN TRAINING YOUR WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS!"  (he knows me so well...)

To which I was obliged to respond, "Those of us without lives are the ones who are going to live."  :D
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 20, 2020, 09:53:59 PM
Got a text from a friend the other day: "The governor says don't go to the gym, don't get a haircut, don't socialize, just stay at home.  YOU'VE BEEN TRAINING YOUR WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS!"  (he knows me so well...)

To which I was obliged to respond, "Those of us without lives are the ones who are going to live."  :D
lol, as an (almost) hikikomori, I can relate.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 10:01:03 PM
Got a text from a friend the other day: "The governor says don't go to the gym, don't get a haircut, don't socialize, just stay at home.  YOU'VE BEEN TRAINING YOUR WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS!"  (he knows me so well...)

To which I was obliged to respond, "Those of us without lives are the ones who are going to live."  :D

I dunno if those people have been training their whole life for this. Think the only ones who have been training their whole life for this is gamers and recluses
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 20, 2020, 10:03:20 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8130433/amp/Sam-Smith-goes-stages-quarantine-meltdown-self-isolation.html?__twitter_impression=true

On the one hand I want to showcase that this is an example that anyone can be depressed and feeling down in this kind of isolation, bad mood can set in.

On the other hand, he lives in a 12 million dollar house.. He's probably got bidet's in all his 5 bathrooms.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 21, 2020, 02:42:47 AM
Stay safe. Has your pharmacy moved into more home deliveries during this time?
I don't interact with that side of the business, so I wouldn't know. But foot traffic into the stores has not slowed down. If anything, it has increased.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 21, 2020, 02:43:00 AM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...

Fuck pops, that's a shit day. :(

Did they reattach the fingertip?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 07:47:21 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8130433/amp/Sam-Smith-goes-stages-quarantine-meltdown-self-isolation.html?__twitter_impression=true

On the one hand I want to showcase that this is an example that anyone can be depressed and feeling down in this kind of isolation, bad mood can set in.

On the other hand, he lives in a 12 million dollar house.. He's probably got bidet's in all his 5 bathrooms.

Good thing I am introverted.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 21, 2020, 08:08:20 AM
Right now that's funny. Tomorrow when the block wears off maybe not...
I cut my right index off at the first knuckle when I was about 20. I can honestly say, it has never bothered me in the least. Course I’m left handed, that probably was the difference.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 21, 2020, 09:43:52 AM
Fuck pops, that's a shit day. :(

Did they reattach the fingertip?

Wasn't much left to attach. I got about 1/4" of it, and most of that was hamburger. It did get the end of the bone though so their biggest worry is infection.

I cut my right index off at the first knuckle when I was about 20. I can honestly say, it has never bothered me in the least. Course I’m left handed, that probably was the difference.

Left index finger, and I'm right handed so shouldn't to much in the way of long term problems. So far there hasn't been much pain to speak of, but the doc told me it was going to hurt today when the nerve block wears off.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 21, 2020, 10:27:51 AM
Left index finger, and I'm right handed so shouldn't to much in the way of long term problems. So far there hasn't been much pain to speak of, but the doc told me it was going to hurt today when the nerve block wears off.
I took a while to respond, because I didn't know what to say.  I'm sorry to hear about this whole thing.  All of us who work around sharp tools are aware of the possibility of injury.  Sometimes, I'm even surprised at myself owning the tools that I do, because I am borderline obsessively afraid of the things.  When I take out my chain saw my first reaction is fear.  I'm about to do something dangerous, and if I were religious I would probably pray when I'm about to start the thing up.  I tell myself, I'm not really qualified to use these things, but I own table saws, circular saws, routers, and chain saws because they are remarkably helpful and necessary for the tasks they do.  But they are dangerous.

My close friend's father in Montana worked in a small part of the lumber mill called the box factory, which essentially took those left overs from the saw mill and cut them to specific sizes to make boxes for whoever ordered a freight car full of boxes, or at least box parts.  The box factory comprised less than one tenth of 1% of the entire mill, but it made money with the left overs.  There may have been only 4 guys on a shift.  And only one guy, the foreman (my friend's father), ran the saw.  He was missing one finger, as I heard was also the case with the other foremen on other shifts.  When I watched the operation, I was actually surprised any saw operator  had any fingers at all.

The saw had three 10 or 12 inch blades all spinning on their own arm attached to a central axis.  The axis rotated fast with the arms and blades popping out of the table at regular intervals of maybe 2 seconds. There were no safety guards, and every couple of seconds the operators hand would be in the path of the blade while adjusting a guide that set the length of the board according to how long the scrap was.  I would guess every minute produced 30 box parts of assorted length.  It was insane, but part of the job.  I will never forget that little bitty part of the mill where no lives were lost but hundreds of fingers must have been.

Here's to a speedy recovery.  Be careful, and may that be your last bad experience in your shop.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 12:23:31 PM
More US Covid news:

"Army Deploys To New York As NYC Reports 1 Coronavirus Death Per Hour On Friday" ... Army Corp of Engineers, to assist setting up alternative hospital locations.

"National Guard Chief: Don't Federalize Us To Fight Outbreak - Will Waste "Billions"" ... Chicken Little reaction by governors and mayors hurt

Non-US Covid news:

"Kenyan Man Stoned To Death By Mob "For Having Coronavirus"" ... all cultures equal?  Meanwhile "diverse" youth gangs attempting to storm grocery stores in London and Paris.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 21, 2020, 12:27:46 PM
I took a while to respond, because I didn't know what to say.  I'm sorry to hear about this whole thing.  All of us who work around sharp tools are aware of the possibility of injury.  Sometimes, I'm even surprised at myself owning the tools that I do, because I am borderline obsessively afraid of the things.  When I take out my chain saw my first reaction is fear.  I'm about to do something dangerous, and if I were religious I would probably pray when I'm about to start the thing up.  I tell myself, I'm not really qualified to use these things, but I own table saws, circular saws, routers, and chain saws because they are remarkably helpful and necessary for the tasks they do.  But they are dangerous.

My close friend's father in Montana worked in a small part of the lumber mill called the box factory, which essentially took those left overs from the saw mill and cut them to specific sizes to make boxes for whoever ordered a freight car full of boxes, or at least box parts.  The box factory comprised less than one tenth of 1% of the entire mill, but it made money with the left overs.  There may have been only 4 guys on a shift.  And only one guy, the foreman (my friend's father), ran the saw.  He was missing one finger, as I heard was also the case with the other foremen on other shifts.  When I watched the operation, I was actually surprised any saw operator  had any fingers at all.

The saw had three 10 or 12 inch blades all spinning on their own arm attached to a central axis.  The axis rotated fast with the arms and blades popping out of the table at regular intervals of maybe 2 seconds. There were no safety guards, and every couple of seconds the operators hand would be in the path of the blade while adjusting a guide that set the length of the board according to how long the scrap was.  I would guess every minute produced 30 box parts of assorted length.  It was insane, but part of the job.  I will never forget that little bitty part of the mill where no lives were lost but hundreds of fingers must have been.

Here's to a speedy recovery.  Be careful, and may that be your last bad experience in your shop.

Yea shop tools are dangerous. I've owed the offending table saw for 30ish years, and this was the first time I've been bit. It was a wrong tool for the job thing. I was resawing some small pieces to use as knife scales. I should have been using the band saw, but the blade I have on it drifts so bad it is impossible to cut a straight line so I tried something else. I was using push tools so I thought I was safe, but when I got to the end of the piece it kicked out knocked my hand into the blade.

As far as table saw injuries go it isn't really all that bad. I'm going to have a finger that's flat on the end instead of rounded with a really short nail. I've already been back out in the shop this morning and have the first of the 2 sets of scales I was working on glued up.

I was trying to turn a piece of this

(https://i.imgur.com/UioLG3O.jpg)

Into these

(https://i.imgur.com/5p0Fzfu.jpg)

For this

(https://i.imgur.com/dcQpB7X.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 21, 2020, 12:36:49 PM
I wouldn't have understood that without the photos.  Is that African Zebra Wood?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 21, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
I wouldn't have understood that without the photos.  Is that African Zebra Wood?

I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. I got a good sized pile of exotic wood of several different species that had been left in a building the company bought.

In any case at this point I'm more worried about the possibility of being exposed to to the Corona virus while I was at the hospital than I am about the finger.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 21, 2020, 01:15:32 PM
More US Covid news:

"Army Deploys To New York As NYC Reports 1 Coronavirus Death Per Hour On Friday" ... Army Corp of Engineers, to assist setting up alternative hospital locations.

"National Guard Chief: Don't Federalize Us To Fight Outbreak - Will Waste "Billions"" ... Chicken Little reaction by governors and mayors hurt

Non-US Covid news:

"Kenyan Man Stoned To Death By Mob "For Having Coronavirus"" ... all cultures equal?  Meanwhile "diverse" youth gangs attempting to storm grocery stores in London and Paris.

So glad I don't live in a major city. Though I do live an hour's train from London
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 21, 2020, 01:25:54 PM
I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. I got a good sized pile of exotic wood of several different species that had been left in a building the company bought. 
When I was in my mid teens, my father bought me a hunting bow.  It had fiberglass recurve limbs, but the grip was Zebra wood.  I doubt that anyone ever commented on the bow, but to me, that bow was the most beautiful of any I had seen, and I had been around a lot of bows by that time.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 21, 2020, 01:28:30 PM
In any case at this point I'm more worried about the possibility of being exposed to to the Corona virus while I was at the hospital than I am about the finger.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to spend much time hanging out in emergency rooms right now.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 21, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
I dunno if those people have been training their whole life for this. Think the only ones who have been training their whole life for this is gamers and recluses
I nearly qualify for the latter anyway.

(glances at his Steam library)

And probably the former.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 21, 2020, 04:19:35 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't want to spend much time hanging out in emergency rooms right now.

Shaped, sanded with a coat of Tru Oil. Soon to be for sale for the low low price of one left index finger tip.

(https://i.imgur.com/hIMUreR.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 05:39:50 PM
So glad I don't live in a major city. Though I do live an hour's train from London

Don't worry, zombies have no brains, so they can't drive, ride the bus or the tube ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on March 21, 2020, 06:09:10 PM
This thread is an interesting archaeology of the course of the disease outbreak.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 21, 2020, 06:15:08 PM
Yes, I must admit I misjudged the situation severely.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 06:16:17 PM
Yes, I must admit I misjudged the situation severely.

Father Mantis: You are forgiven, my bug ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 21, 2020, 06:28:32 PM
If you don’t use toilet paper for two weeks you don’t even have to ask...people will move away.
Title: re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 21, 2020, 06:40:17 PM
So work called me in and against my better judgement, I started going back.  Smart move?  Hell no.  Pragmatic move?  Possibly. 

I'm not living paycheck to paycheck, but I kinda do need the money.  I'm absolutely not looking forward to sitting around for 2 months and literally eat through my savings.

The spread of the virus isn't super bad right now (we're still in the early days), but all that craziness going on in NYC is sure to reach us soon, probably in a week or so.  I'm planning on resuming my isolation by then, in 5 days or so.

I haven't seen Typhoid Joe at work, but I know a Typhoid Mary who is 100% likely to get sick at some point and spread it (and claim that I gave it to her when she gets me sick)

I stayed the hell away from people (my default) and washed my hands regularly.

I really wanted some groceries, so I went and brought back some groceries.  Saw my first batch of people wearing surgical masks in person.

When I got home, I got chewed out badly by...well, let's call her Aunt May.  Lectured and lectured.  Mixture of anger and contempt.  My favorite.

I realize now that going out for groceries was a mistake, but I needed some things and was curious about how thoroughly its been cleaned out.  But being so close to people was risky and I shouldn't have taken that risk.

Am I being too reckless?

Bear in mind that Aunt May watches 24/7 news all day every day and is constantly in a state of fear.  Part of her lecturing may be due to an enhanced fear response.  She's a couple bad news stories from starting work on a Fallout Vault full of toilet paper, imho.  Hysterics aside, she actually does have a point, though I would have preferred a more measured, less accusatory approach.

TL;DR:  Lesson learned, I need to better practice what I preach.  I'm going to break things off at work and hunker down soon.  And no more grocery trips for a while.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 06:54:55 PM
Illinois and Pennsylvania joined New York and California in lockdowns.  Partial restrictions in other states.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 21, 2020, 07:05:11 PM
We do not have shelter in place yet.  I wish we did.  Then I could tell work to sit and spin.

I don't know when I should tell them I won't be back for a while.  5 days from now?  3 days from now?  Tomorrow?

If I wait too long, it'll be too late to jump ship and I'm screwed and my family is screwed.  If I don't wait long enough, I feel like I'm panicking and acting irrationally.

This is my first major pandemic, so I'm not super experienced at dealing with these things.  Please advise.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 21, 2020, 08:30:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bgCCXSrwHA

I can understand why things are so much more worrying where you are, america being so big, its pragmatic on how things are governed state by state.
In the uk everything is decided in parliament, which can be both a negative and a positive depending on the situation. The structure of something like the NHS coming completely from their decision making across the entire country.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 21, 2020, 08:44:05 PM
The panic is real and my family has just begun to hoard.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 21, 2020, 08:59:38 PM
The panic is real and my family has just begun to hoard.

at least in hoarding for themselves their being honest. Looked on ebay, and fuckers are selling single toilet rolls for £5 per roll.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 09:14:50 PM
The panic is real and my family has just begun to hoard.

Know where the hoard is kept, in case you need it after they die (sarc).  Being the one person not having a Darwin award ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 09:15:51 PM
Yes, I must admit I misjudged the situation severely.

This could still peak at less than Swine Flu 2010.  Just because the fatality pattern is different, just means it is a different strain.  As a senior "it is a good day to die".  But only children less than 10 have not died.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 09:16:43 PM
at least in hoarding for themselves their being honest. Looked on ebay, and fuckers are selling single toilet rolls for £5 per roll.

Like French military rifles, only used once ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 21, 2020, 09:17:14 PM
Being a good boy scout never hurt.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 09:21:15 PM
We do not have shelter in place yet.  I wish we did.  Then I could tell work to sit and spin.

I don't know when I should tell them I won't be back for a while.  5 days from now?  3 days from now?  Tomorrow?

If I wait too long, it'll be too late to jump ship and I'm screwed and my family is screwed.  If I don't wait long enough, I feel like I'm panicking and acting irrationally.

This is my first major pandemic, so I'm not super experienced at dealing with these things.  Please advise.

Stay at work as long as you can (you need the check, or a job to come back to).  If you are essential personnel then gird up your loins and stay anyway, I salute you!  If you do shelter in place, and if you don't have enough money to get thru a month (many people have less than $500 free money between paydays), then decide not to pay the rent/mortgage/car payment.  You need that money for essentials.  Those major monthly payments you can tell them the check is in the mail (Trump/Johnson).  Finding stuff at stores that are open (not full shelter in place) is a scavenger hunt.  Enjoy it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 09:21:40 PM
Being a good boy scout never hurt.

Only if you live in the woods.  Dem's good eatin' - Grizzly Bear
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 21, 2020, 09:38:20 PM
The USA's coronavirus curve closely resembles Italy (https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/3/20/21179040/coronavirus-us-italy-not-overreacting)

USA needs immediate five-week lockdown (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/03/21/coronavirus-america-needs-five-week-national-lockdown-column/2890376001/)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 09:47:58 PM
"More Than 70 Million Americans Have Been Locked Down So Far, And This Is Just The Beginning..." ... New Jersey just joined 4 other states in complete lockdown.

"It's Not Just Toilet-Paper & Hand-Sanitizer - Condoms & Pot Sales Soar Amid Global Lockdown" ... what is really important to people ;-)

"In Sweeping Power Grab, DOJ Seeks Ability To Detain People Indefinitely Without Trial" ... DOJ is the most corrupt justice-related department of the Federal government.  Under every Administration.  Just suspend the Constitution already?

"'Stay Indoors Or Risk A Year In Prison': Jordan Blows Sirens At Start Of Virus Lockdown" ... a severe penalty.  In other locations, the fine is multiple tens of thousands of dollars.

PS - "Half of All Coronavirus Cases in New York Are People Under 50 Years Old" ... just because it is less lethal with younger folks ... don't go to the beach!



Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 22, 2020, 04:01:39 AM
So a the infections spreads to South Texas, Hildago county.

It begins.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on March 22, 2020, 05:07:39 AM
So a the infections spreads to South Texas, Hildago county.

It begins.

It was nice knowing you Drac.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 22, 2020, 07:51:03 AM
So a the infections spreads to South Texas, Hildago county.

It begins.

Texas should be first in everything! ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 22, 2020, 08:08:10 AM
(https://cdn.heraldodemexico.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/21082135/susana_distancia-1200x675.jpg)

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need right now.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 22, 2020, 08:20:43 AM
(https://cdn.heraldodemexico.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/21082135/susana_distancia-1200x675.jpg)

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need right now.

To late, they already made safespace. His powers of holding his hand out and saying 'No' firmly will protect him from the virus
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 22, 2020, 09:36:18 AM
My daughter works at an exotic pet store. They have cut their hours, limited the amount allowed in at a time, even limited the time to 5 minutes unless your buying an animal. Give us your list of supplies we will gather it for you while you wait.
Some guy started screaming through the window, “you are all over reacting this is not that big of a deal” she responded as I suggested. “And we want to keep it that way, better your right than me”
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 22, 2020, 10:11:47 AM
Some guy started screaming through the window, “you are all over reacting this is not that big of a deal”
To the person who doesn't give a shit about anyone else, he comes to work sick and happily transmits whatever he has to everyone else.  Why should he care?  He's willing to take his chances, and if he's already sick, he gains nothing by isolating from others.  We have always tolerated this and sometimes admired people who never miss a day of work.

We don't know if the guy at the window is wrong.  Maybe quarantine and isolation is a global conspiracy to further some unseen end.  Maybe it is an over reaction.  Maybe it is just a hard pressed media trying to get people to buy their product.  Maybe it's a power mad president's need to declare martial law.  But the thing is that guy screaming at the window doesn't know any more than anyone else.  He's just pissed off. 

Bring in the tanks, and clear the streets, not for our own safety, but because I find that asshole annoying.  For once we have people in general agreement prepared to come together in cooperation, and some fuckhead with little or no knowledge wants to set his own rules.  But then he probably speaks for a lot of people.

I hope to Hell, that guy is right, but that doesn't mean I should believe his bullshit either.  On this particular issue, I'm willing to go with the flow.  I've got nothing to lose by just accepting that some actual experts know more than I do.  I would offer that advice to Dr. Trump also.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 22, 2020, 10:27:23 AM
Don't worry, Dr Biden will be starting fire-side chats shortly, pretending to be FDR ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 22, 2020, 03:24:36 PM
115 infected in total, 14 recoveries, 2077 tests, and +600 in quarantine as of today in the Faroes.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 22, 2020, 04:26:16 PM
To the person who doesn't give a shit about anyone else, he comes to work sick and happily transmits whatever he has to everyone else.  Why should he care?  He's willing to take his chances, and if he's already sick, he gains nothing by isolating from others.
Typhoid Joe admitted as much to me at work today.  I gave him a wide berth.  And today was my last day working during this pandemic.  I'm going into self-isolation for 4-5 weeks starting today.  This way, I avoid getting and transmitting the disease.  NC is going to start having serious problems very soon and I refuse to contribute to them.  I'm sitting this one out.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 22, 2020, 04:27:06 PM
Don't worry, Dr Biden will be starting fire-side chats shortly, pretending to be FDR ;-)

Personally, I would prefer fireside chats than incessant stream of consciousness tweets.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 22, 2020, 04:29:04 PM
consciousness
Your awful generous
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 22, 2020, 04:34:48 PM
115 infected in total, 14 recoveries, 2077 tests, and +600 in quarantine as of today in the Faroes.

I didn't know you lived on the faroe islands?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 22, 2020, 04:46:31 PM
I didn't know you lived on the foroe islands?
I do. Thanks to high testing, we know somewhat the infection chains and are quarantining people who have been exposed.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 22, 2020, 05:00:17 PM
I do. Thanks to high testing, we know somewhat the infection chains and are quarantining people who have been exposed.

I suppose its just as well the population of the islands is small enough that reaching as many as possible to test helps in that regard.

stay safe, hope your stocked up well there.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 22, 2020, 05:58:02 PM
I suppose its just as well the population of the islands is small enough that reaching as many as possible to test helps in that regard.

stay safe, hope your stocked up well there.
No need. Grocery stores are rationing essentials and we still get weekly supplies with cargo ships.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 22, 2020, 06:17:56 PM
I know the Faroe Islands from watching VinLand Saga. So are you a descendant of vikings? If so which ones?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 22, 2020, 06:32:04 PM
I know the Faroe Islands from watching VinLand Saga. So are you a descendant of vikings? If so which ones?
IDK. Most likely Norse vikings, since we were part of Norwegian rule for centuries before being sold to Denmark.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 22, 2020, 11:57:22 PM
this gif needs to be shared around.

(https://i.imgur.com/axntdCR.gif)

simple, to the point.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 23, 2020, 07:27:42 AM
""Holy Shit, This Is Not The Flu": Medical Worker Describes Terrifying Lung Failure From COVID-19... Even In Young Patients" ... Sars2 not Flu.  And many patients experience gastro-intestinal failure.  Depends on how it gets into you, lungs vs gut.

"One Third Of All Coronavirus Cases Show No Symptoms, Classified China Data Reveals" ... this is why there will be multiple waves of infection, and that China has declared a premature victory (remember Chinese New Year?).

"WHO says lockdowns "not sufficient" to stop virus" ... it is necessary to drop the GDP to zero?  Choice is, kill the economy, or let people die.  Helicopter money tries to bridge that, but may destroy the ability to finance the economy.  Can misguided government response be worse than the disease?

US Covid News:

"Ohio, Louisiana, Delaware join lockdown" ... joining 5 other states.

"Police In California Plan To Use Drones To Enforce Quarantine Lockdown" ... as previously shown on Chinese TV.  Dr Fu Manchu approves.  Ming the Merciless is jealous.

"Operation 'Granite Shadow' - The US Military's Above-To-Secret Plans If COVID-19 Cripples Government" ... if too many Washington DC politicians and GS workers get forced to self isolate or go to the hospital with Covid ... Washington DC will be evacuated for "continuity of government", same as if there was a nuclear war.  Denver Colorado used to be the backup US capital, but Denver is a hot zone now.

Non-US News:

"Merkel Enters Isolation, New Zealand Goes "Full Quarantine"" ... Merkel was exposed to a doctor who was positive for Covid.





Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 23, 2020, 08:25:50 AM
On a lighter note ...

The Madagascar movie ninja penguins have liberated all the penguins at all the zoos, now that people are gone ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHHkJwQQU0o
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 23, 2020, 08:42:37 AM
Dare say the animals are more relaxed in zoos right now without ugly human children screaming at them all day
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 23, 2020, 09:15:14 AM
Darwin awards:

"Virginia teens allegedly recorded themselves coughing on produce in grocery store" ... maybe keep them in school, instead?

"Thousands of stolen coronavirus respirator masks found in Oregon, donated to hospitals as arrest made" ... go police!

Meanwhile, not all Florida beaches are closed ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 23, 2020, 11:42:36 AM
Darwin awards:

"Virginia teens allegedly recorded themselves coughing on produce in grocery store" ... maybe keep them in school, instead?

"Thousands of stolen coronavirus respirator masks found in Oregon, donated to hospitals as arrest made" ... go police!

Meanwhile, not all Florida beaches are closed ...

Turns out many of those spring break asshats did contract it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 23, 2020, 01:05:51 PM
Any thought on needed long-term changes due to this crisis?

(https://i.imgur.com/DnLvgux.png)

Imo, I'm going to make a crisis kit (a small supply of otc medicines and toiletries) and keep a roughly 1-month supply of non-perishables (mostly canned goods).  I want to be able to survive without needing to go out for supplies for 2-4 weeks.

And you better believe sick days and telecommuting will be a lot more on my radar now.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 23, 2020, 02:53:52 PM
Any thought on needed long-term changes due to this crisis?
Medical research will be prioritized a lot more afterwards, for a while, until complacency and apathy sets in again. Same deal with our collective social behavior. If history has learned us anything is that once everything settles back down to "normal" daily life, apathy springs back up again.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 23, 2020, 02:55:24 PM
only 3 more infected today here, and the first hospitalization.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 23, 2020, 03:27:58 PM
2 here
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 23, 2020, 03:35:26 PM
Medical research will be prioritized a lot more afterwards, for a while, until complacency and apathy sets in again. Same deal with our collective social behavior. If history has learned us anything is that once everything settles back down to "normal" daily life, apathy springs back up again.
Maybe not fire the pandemic response team, at least?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 23, 2020, 03:37:38 PM
Any thought on needed long-term changes due to this crisis?

(https://i.imgur.com/DnLvgux.png)

Imo, I'm going to make a crisis kit (a small supply of otc medicines and toiletries) and keep a roughly 1-month supply of non-perishables (mostly canned goods).  I want to be able to survive without needing to go out for supplies for 2-4 weeks.

And you better believe sick days and telecommuting will be a lot more on my radar now.
already been inside for a week and a half.

my issue is getting my insulin and other medications, as well as having carbohydrate of some kind in the house to last. This is why I stocked up on oatmeal, sugar dry noodles and rice, as well as lucozade in an emergency
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 23, 2020, 06:19:08 PM
States with full or partial lockdown today or starting tomorrow:

California
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Illinois
Indiana
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Nevada
New Jersey
New York
Ohio
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Texas
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 23, 2020, 06:38:06 PM
Those florida kids on spring break gonna be so sad.. oh but wait, they're at home with the infection.
I guess they have reason to care now
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 23, 2020, 06:40:37 PM
Those florida kids on spring break gonna be so sad.. oh but wait, they're at home with the infection.
I guess they have reason to care now

FYI - All other states are partially shutdown, lockdown is more severe.  Florida should have closed the beaches pronto.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 23, 2020, 07:49:09 PM
Today I dropped off clothes at the dry cleaners, which is run by a Korean-American couple who are always chatty. Normally when I go in they are very busy and the place is loud with steam presses and machines. Today it was eerily quiet and she was sitting on a stool behind the counter. She said no one was bringing in their clothes because so many people aren't going to work. This couple runs this place themselves six days per week. I feel so bad for them and all the other people who are losing businesses they took years to build.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 23, 2020, 07:50:42 PM
Turns out many of those spring break asshats did contract it.
Don't forget the group of teens in trouble for deliberately coughing on an elderly couple (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52003543)... because they're fucking assholes.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 23, 2020, 08:03:24 PM
Don't forget the group of teens in trouble for deliberately coughing on an elderly couple (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52003543)... because they're fucking assholes.

If they contract it and die from the disease, the teens should be prosecuted for manslaughter
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 23, 2020, 08:07:05 PM
If they contract it and die from the disease, the teens should be prosecuted for manslaughter


I don't know what I wish on them, but it's not pleasant. I really want to believe they can learn and become better people, but common sense tells me otherwise.


I also hope the government cracks down extremely harshly on people who hoarded necessary supplies and tried to resell them at heavily marked up prices.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 23, 2020, 08:20:53 PM

I don't know what I wish on them, but it's not pleasant. I really want to believe they can learn and become better people, but common sense tells me otherwise.


I also hope the government cracks down extremely harshly on people who hoarded necessary supplies and tried to resell them at heavily marked up prices.

"Florida Man Faces Five Years For Stealing 66 Rolls Of Toilet Paper" ... the meme rolls on ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 23, 2020, 08:21:45 PM
"1.7 billion people - nearly 2/7th of the Earth's population - have now been asked to stay home in more than 50 countries and territories due to the coronavirus outbreak" ... can't continue indefinitely like this ... at some point people will have to go back to work.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 23, 2020, 08:23:28 PM
If they contract it and die from the disease, the teens should be prosecuted for manslaughter
Damn skippy -- and they should be.  That's just about as irresponsible as you could ask for.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 23, 2020, 08:48:04 PM
Some people always need someone to blame.

Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/spit-on-yelled-at-attacked-chinese-americans-fear-for-their-safety/ar-BB11AEg5?ocid=msedgntp

... As the coronavirus upends American life, Chinese-Americans face a double threat. Not only are they grappling like everyone else with how to avoid the virus itself, they are also contending with growing racism in the form of verbal and physical attacks. Other Asian-Americans — with families from Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines, Myanmar and other places — are facing threats, too, lumped together with Chinese-Americans by a bigotry that does not know the difference.

In interviews over the past week, nearly two dozen Asian-Americans across the country said they were afraid — to go grocery shopping, to travel alone on subways or buses, to let their children go outside. Many described being yelled at in public — a sudden spasm of hate that is reminiscent of the kind faced by American Muslims and other Arabs and South Asians after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But unlike in 2001, when President George W. Bush urged tolerance of American Muslims, this time President Trump is using language that Asian-Americans say is inciting racist attacks.

Mr. Trump and his Republican allies are intent on calling the coronavirus “the Chinese virus,” rejecting the World Health Organization’s guidance against using geographic locations when naming illnesses, since past names have provoked a backlash.

Mr. Trump told reporters on Tuesday that he was calling the virus “Chinese” to combat a disinformation campaign by Beijing officials saying the American military was the source of the outbreak. He dismissed concerns that his language would lead to any harm.

“If they keep using these terms, the kids are going to pick it up,” said Tony Du, an epidemiologist in Howard County, Md., who fears for his son, Larry. “They are going to call my 8-year-old son a Chinese virus. It’s serious.” ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 23, 2020, 11:52:33 PM
Calling it the chinese virus is stupid.

But it did originate from china.

Being angry and pissed off at the country of china and its communist ways and allowing what it does to animals in wet markets, its fine to be pissed off and angry that them, as such things need to be called out

But those living outside of china away from such a system shouldn't have to suffer this.

Unless their all for the slaughter and consumption of dogs too in which case all bets are off. Dogs are better people then human beings.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 24, 2020, 12:04:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLCVdJlAIgA

Gamestops handling of its employees during this, coupled with their delusional belief their essential, in a time of online gaming.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 24, 2020, 01:11:22 AM
I also hope the government cracks down extremely harshly on people who hoarded necessary supplies and tried to resell them at heavily marked up prices.
I know the brothers in Tennessee who bought 17,000 bottles of hand sanitizer so he could sell them at obscene markup were forced to donate the lot (https://www.indy100.com/article/coronavirus-tennessee-hand-sanitiser-stockpile-matt-colvin-new-york-times-amazon-9404051), since the alternative was a very unpleasant prosecution under the local anti-gouging law.  They won't say how much money they lost (and I don't use hand sanitizer, so I don't know what they normally cost anyway).  All I can say is the more, the better.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 24, 2020, 01:11:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLCVdJlAIgA

Gamestops handling of its employees during this, coupled with their delusional belief their essential, in a time of online gaming.

The idea that Gamestop retail stores are an essential business during a pandemic is a ridiculous. Their retail stores aren't even necessary outside a pandemic because hardware can be shipped and software downloaded. Gamestop executives have a reputation for treating their employees poorly in the best of times.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 05:48:18 AM
GameStop is essentially a pawn shop specializing in used video games.  It never was an essential anything and tried to stay open only because their business model is failing and they desperately need every dollar they can get.  Their future is bankruptcy and everyone knows it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 06:14:42 AM
Washington state issued a two-week stay-at-home order.

This probably would have been more helpful if they had done this weeks ago, before spreading it to pretty much the entire country.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 07:19:12 AM
Some people always need someone to blame.

Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/spit-on-yelled-at-attacked-chinese-americans-fear-for-their-safety/ar-BB11AEg5?ocid=msedgntp

... As the coronavirus upends American life, Chinese-Americans face a double threat. Not only are they grappling like everyone else with how to avoid the virus itself, they are also contending with growing racism in the form of verbal and physical attacks. Other Asian-Americans — with families from Korea, Vietnam, the Philippines, Myanmar and other places — are facing threats, too, lumped together with Chinese-Americans by a bigotry that does not know the difference.

In interviews over the past week, nearly two dozen Asian-Americans across the country said they were afraid — to go grocery shopping, to travel alone on subways or buses, to let their children go outside. Many described being yelled at in public — a sudden spasm of hate that is reminiscent of the kind faced by American Muslims and other Arabs and South Asians after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

But unlike in 2001, when President George W. Bush urged tolerance of American Muslims, this time President Trump is using language that Asian-Americans say is inciting racist attacks.

Mr. Trump and his Republican allies are intent on calling the coronavirus “the Chinese virus,” rejecting the World Health Organization’s guidance against using geographic locations when naming illnesses, since past names have provoked a backlash.

Mr. Trump told reporters on Tuesday that he was calling the virus “Chinese” to combat a disinformation campaign by Beijing officials saying the American military was the source of the outbreak. He dismissed concerns that his language would lead to any harm.

“If they keep using these terms, the kids are going to pick it up,” said Tony Du, an epidemiologist in Howard County, Md., who fears for his son, Larry. “They are going to call my 8-year-old son a Chinese virus. It’s serious.” ...

My family and I have had no fear of Asians or ME people, or their restaurants.  Ever.  We don't do that sort of thing.  So ... Trump supporters are robots?  Are Bernie Bros robots too?  Red Robots?  So there ... my ultra virtue signaling.  I await my sainthood from Leon Trotsky (who invented "racism" as a term).

Yes, there is disinformation .. by all governments, all the time.  Not just China.  It is part of what they do.  But I wouldn't nuke China over that, even if this was an accidentally released bio-weapon.  I don't think it is possible to know, from here, if it was deliberately released as a false flag world war III.  People didn't know the consequences of an assassination in Sarajevo, at the time.  Of course it is possible that this is a natural event (as has happened with the pigs in China last year and many other times in history).

Ah, the Japanese and Germans and Italians had hurt feelings in WW II?  Non-US citizens and naturalize US citizens were feared during WW II?  If the whole world isn't Gandhi (and he was an asshole) then we should all die of Identity politics then?  People should realize that life is unfair, and most people hate you.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 07:22:20 AM
Calling it the chinese virus is stupid.

But it did originate from china.

Being angry and pissed off at the country of china and its communist ways and allowing what it does to animals in wet markets, its fine to be pissed off and angry that them, as such things need to be called out

But those living outside of china away from such a system shouldn't have to suffer this.

Unless their all for the slaughter and consumption of dogs too in which case all bets are off. Dogs are better people then human beings.

Well, y'all been nationalized and locked down, by Boris "Jeremy Corbyn" Johnson.  GB is too Left and too Tyrannical even in normal times?  In the US we have state-specific tyranny and crony capitalism (first two phases passed without trouble).  The third phase (which you are getting in GB) is held up by good-cop/bad-cop in the US Senate (so the ordinary guy won't be helped ... same as in 2008/2009).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 24, 2020, 08:51:15 AM
On Twitter this morning

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The best way for an average American to get a COVID-19 test is cough in a rich person's face then wait for their test results.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 08:56:33 AM
https://covidactnow.org/

In my state, hospitals get overcrowded by April 13-18 and hospitalizations peak by April 28th.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 24, 2020, 09:14:11 AM
I've taught my mum how to facetime with her friends, that she normally would visit in the week. She seems pretty content long as she can talk to friends and family
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 09:35:09 AM
On Twitter this morning

Twitter sewer?  We need a virus just for poor people too.  Wouldn't want them to feel left out ;-)

"Denver mayor reverses order to close liquor stores, recreational marijuana dispensaries after crowds swarm" ... priorities
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 09:36:37 AM
https://covidactnow.org/

In my state, hospitals get overcrowded by April 13-18 and hospitalizations peak by April 28th.

Delay elective surgery?  If the infection rate only goes up, then most Americans will be dead before the election.  That would be a plus ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 01:56:55 PM
"Twitter Sells Out - Will Allow Chinese Government Propaganda About Virus Origin" ... this message approved by Ming the Merciless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOmUW5QyqQ

""Biggest Lockdown In World History" – India Paralyzed As COVID-19 Crisis Unfolds" ... Starting last Sunday.  India has a backup economy from the Mahatma, who would spin his own thread ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK-XjLayJd8
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 24, 2020, 04:24:28 PM
He is actually an eight year old in a 70-something year old body. Christ above.

On the bright side: Stock market went up in expectation of a stimulus bill. Here's to hoping the bill is actually intending to help the people and not lines the rich man's pocket while the rest of the country burns, because if the people stay unemployed for too long and the government keeps on playing games... no one is going to win from that.

Still, it looks like the president has chosen that mass death and illness is the best choice. Perhaps that's not 100% wrong, at this point... but I still hope no one actually takes that seriously and listens to him. I'm not going to hold my breath on that though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ1V_ziB6Dc
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 05:26:05 PM
Shiranu is a million year old (giant alien head) in a 30 year old body?  Ok, Millennial.

"By CNN's count, at least 13 states and 13 municipalities in the US have ordered residents to stay home" ... ultimately this is a regional/local control thing if Washington DC will refrain from a national lockdown.

"WHO Expert: Lock-Downs Won't Stop This Virus … but his solution is complete global totalitarianism" ... everybody is a shill for the Chinese Communist Party.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 24, 2020, 05:42:19 PM
He is actually an eight year old in a 70-something year old body. Christ above.

On the bright side: Stock market went up in expectation of a stimulus bill. Here's to hoping the bill is actually intending to help the people and not lines the rich man's pocket while the rest of the country burns, because if the people stay unemployed for too long and the government keeps on playing games... no one is going to win from that.

Still, it looks like the president has chosen that mass death and illness is the best choice. Perhaps that's not 100% wrong, at this point... but I still hope no one actually takes that seriously and listens to him. I'm not going to hold my breath on that though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ1V_ziB6Dc

Trump is a businessman, so the idea of people not working is something I'm sure he finds personally frustrating. He also is very aware of how this crisis can completely undermine his re-election. For example, even though he has been speaking publically he has not been able to control the media and the narrative as he has in the past. People are looking towards the experts (finally) rather than him for guidance. I work in healthcare, so I'm biased towards the wellness of individuals. Still, I think helping businesses survive and avoiding a global depression is something that needs to be a priority. What is the best way to minimize the economic impact of this pandemic? I have no idea.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 05:46:27 PM
"Bill Gates says US missed chance to avoid coronavirus shutdown, businesses should stay closed" ... Event 201 last October.  He also owns the "legacy seeds" for all important plants, put in a cold vault somewhere in Greenland (to he can be god after the apocalypse).

If you avoided all action, that would ever benefit anyone, then all policy must hurt all people equally (or it is unfair) .. that is called ... death.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 05:58:12 PM
"Tlaib wants to hand out debit cards during coronavirus, mint trillion-dollar coins to cover cost" ... immediate issue of debit cards isn't a bad idea, except for the indigent who have no bank account.  The trillion-dollar coin idea is economic ignorance ... and a Democrat meme ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-mint-trillion-dollar-coin-scariest-night-debt-ceiling-2017-1

The US dollar is based on three things ... the gold in Ft Knox (which hasn't been rehypothecated ... is there any left?), the price of oil (that has crashed), and the ability of the Federal government to tax present and future generations.  The President, declaring some object, as collateral for the National Debt ... is magic tree wishes.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 24, 2020, 06:03:22 PM
I predict a war on the middle east after this is over, or wherever the oil is.
Hows Greenland and its unexplored terrain these days
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 24, 2020, 07:30:30 PM
Wow, apparently Texas Republicans finally got jealous enough of the Oval Orifice's lunacy to step up their game: Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick suggests old people should be willing to just die in order to save the American economy (http://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-texas-dan-patrick-seniors-die-economy-20200324-i5wmsqgxdfbdboq72ohlwxgyue-story.html).  Credit where it's due, he even volunteered:

Quote from: Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R-TX)
No one reached out to me and said, ‘As a senior citizen, are you willing to take a chance on your survival in exchange for keeping the America that America loves for its children and grandchildren?’ And if that is the exchange, I’m all in.

Don't you just love those Republican pro-life family values?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 24, 2020, 07:50:13 PM
Bellends sunbathing in one of the parks in london.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9aCKX6awHg
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 24, 2020, 08:08:55 PM
Lots of Covid-19 takes on YouTube nowadays, and I see that political commentators are lying through their teeth about who's lying about what. Quite the show, really.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 24, 2020, 09:30:14 PM
Trump is a businessman, so the idea of people not working is something I'm sure he finds personally frustrating. He also is very aware of how this crisis can completely undermine his re-election. For example, even though he has been speaking publically he has not been able to control the media and the narrative as he has in the past. People are looking towards the experts (finally) rather than him for guidance. I work in healthcare, so I'm biased towards the wellness of individuals. Still, I think helping businesses survive and avoiding a global depression is something that needs to be a priority. What is the best way to minimize the economic impact of this pandemic? I have no idea.
(https://i.imgur.com/CyFMjIS.jpg)

A broken clock is right twice a day.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 24, 2020, 09:40:55 PM
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He also is very aware of how this crisis can completely undermine his re-election.

Maybe, but...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/24/21192409/coronavirus-pandemic-trump-approval-rating-polls (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/24/21192409/coronavirus-pandemic-trump-approval-rating-polls)

Multiple polls, from various biases, are all finding Trump's poll numbers jumping by nearly double-digit percentages. I realise this is still the early days of the pandemic, and it's going to get a lot worse, but if people find that bumbling mess appealing now... I fear that harsher times might make them even more fanatical, even if he does lose some mass appeal. Don't need mass appeal to do a lot of damage when you have your own personality cult willing to hurt people they disagree with.


And let's not pretend it's not a cult of personality... he has surrounded himself with yes-men who show unwavering loyalty, with even the smallest disagreement with him enough to have you removed from your position (regardless of how competent you might be). No one can tell him no, they have to play all sorts of games to get what needs to be done done.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 24, 2020, 09:44:21 PM
From the article above...

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For instance — according to YouGov’s data — 91 percent of Republicans see the president as handling the coronavirus crisis well, while 54 percent of independents and only 22 percent of Democrats feel the same.

91% of Republicans polled thought he is handling it well. If that is not blind fanaticism, I don't know what is and anyone with even the slightest of concern about even pretending to maintain the illusion of democracy should find that worrying. The individual, on both sides (but particularly on the right) is irrelevant; what the party wants, the party gets. And the party is not the people voting, it's the businessmen and lobbyists who line the politician's checkbooks.



One would hope this is a wake-up call to Americans, but it really doesn't seem to be. Politics as we have done them are done; they don't work and the world will only progressively inch closer to tearing itself apart. We can either make that transition smoothly or harshly, but the chance for a smooth change in policy is running out.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on March 24, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
He also owns the "legacy seeds" for all important plants, put in a cold vault somewhere in Greenland (to he can be god after the apocalypse).

It isn't in Greenland. It is in an abandoned coal mine on the island of Spitsbergen in the Svalbard archipelago, and it's in trouble. Climate change has affected Svalbard more than most places. The temperature there has risen about 5C in the last 60 years. It is warmer than they planned for, and they are having to use a lot more energy to keep it as cold as they need it to be. That costs money that isn't in the planned budget. Gates and other rich people/foundations/corporations have donated tens of millions of dollars to the project, but they are still having trouble paying the bills. Gates doesn't own the seeds either. The Global Crop Diversity Trust that manages the vault is a UN organization.

It was some Norwegian climatologist at the bar in the Radisson Blu Polar Hotel in Longyearbyen that first told me about global warming some 20ish years ago.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 11:41:26 PM
I predict a war on the middle east after this is over, or wherever the oil is.
Hows Greenland and its unexplored terrain these days

The nut cases think that the price of oil will go below zero (goes with the idea that banks can charge negative interest).  So yes, between Iran, Iraq, Russia, SA, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman ... all of which depend on the price of oil ... there is a need for a fire sale of excess producers.  Not our North American frackers of course, let the ME burn.  SA just shut down another coup attempt, without killing random music fans in Las Vegas or dismembering a journalist.  So an improvement.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 24, 2020, 11:41:58 PM
Typical.

Liberty University welcomes back students despite coronavirus

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/liberty-university-welcomes-back-students-despite-coronavirus/ar-BB11DUVF?ocid=spartandhp

Liberty University welcomed its students back to campus this week, despite explicit social distancing guidelines from both the White House and the state of Virginia amid the coronavirus outbreak. ...

Falwell has given voice to conspiracy theories about the coronavirus. Earlier in the month while on Fox News he said, "You remember the North Korean leader promised us a Christmas present for America? Back in December. Could it be they got together with China and this is that present? I don't know. But it really is something strange going on."...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 11:42:50 PM
Wow, apparently Texas Republicans finally got jealous enough of the Oval Orifice's lunacy to step up their game: Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick suggests old people should be willing to just die in order to save the American economy (http://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-texas-dan-patrick-seniors-die-economy-20200324-i5wmsqgxdfbdboq72ohlwxgyue-story.html).  Credit where it's due, he even volunteered:

Don't you just love those Republican pro-life family values?

I agree.  However I think old = anyone over 20.  Do it for the children ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 11:43:23 PM
Lots of Covid-19 takes on YouTube nowadays, and I see that political commentators are lying through their teeth about who's lying about what. Quite the show, really.

Still on the Google/CIA v-chat app?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 11:44:33 PM
Maybe, but...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/24/21192409/coronavirus-pandemic-trump-approval-rating-polls (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/24/21192409/coronavirus-pandemic-trump-approval-rating-polls)

Multiple polls, from various biases, are all finding Trump's poll numbers jumping by nearly double-digit percentages. I realise this is still the early days of the pandemic, and it's going to get a lot worse, but if people find that bumbling mess appealing now... I fear that harsher times might make them even more fanatical, even if he does lose some mass appeal. Don't need mass appeal to do a lot of damage when you have your own personality cult willing to hurt people they disagree with.


And let's not pretend it's not a cult of personality... he has surrounded himself with yes-men who show unwavering loyalty, with even the smallest disagreement with him enough to have you removed from your position (regardless of how competent you might be). No one can tell him no, they have to play all sorts of games to get what needs to be done done.

Did you vote for Empress Clinton in 2016?  The Left always accuses the Right of what they are already doing ... and are correct ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 24, 2020, 11:47:04 PM
It isn't in Greenland. It is in an abandoned coal mine on the island of Spitsbergen in the Svalbard archipelago, and it's in trouble. Climate change has affected Svalbard more than most places. The temperature there has risen about 5C in the last 60 years. It is warmer than they planned for, and they are having to use a lot more energy to keep it as cold as they need it to be. That costs money that isn't in the planned budget. Gates and other rich people/foundations/corporations have donated tens of millions of dollars to the project, but they are still having trouble paying the bills. Gates doesn't own the seeds either. The Global Crop Diversity Trust that manages the vault is a UN organization.

It was some Norwegian climatologist at the bar in the Radisson Blu Polar Hotel in Longyearbyen that first told me about global warming some 20ish years ago.

The UN is the biggest conspiracy of them all, aside from the Vatican!  Short of energy?  Maybe they should spend less Kwt-hr mining Bitcoin ;-)  Yes, climate does change.  I don't trust the Norwegians either, bunch of socialists ;-))
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 25, 2020, 05:03:21 AM
Some Waffle House locations are closing due to pandemic (https://www.wafb.com/2020/03/24/waffle-house-closes-locations-across-us)

You know *$#& has really hit the fan when those places start closing.  For non-Americans, these restaurants are always open and never close unless the situation is truly serious.  Like Four Horseman serious.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 25, 2020, 06:50:11 AM
Some Waffle House locations are closing due to pandemic (https://www.wafb.com/2020/03/24/waffle-house-closes-locations-across-us)

You know *$#& has really hit the fan when those places start closing.  For non-Americans, these restaurants are always open and never close unless the situation is truly serious.  Like Four Horseman serious.

"Nashville Waffle House shooting. ... On April 22, 2018, a mass shooting occurred at a Waffle House restaurant in the Antioch neighborhood of Nashville, Tennessee, United States. Four victims were killed and two suffered gunshot wounds. Two others were injured by broken glass." ... yep, open all the time to riff-raff ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 25, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
News from Democratic Republic of California and LaLaLand ...

"LA Mayor To Cut Off Water & Power Of "Irresponsible, Selfish" Stores That Remain Open" ... guess he can't give them a citation?

""Someone Is Gonna Get Shot" - LA County Sheriff Orders All Gun Stores Closed" ... Deplorables already have guns, no need for the Dems to have them too.

So ... will the US post-virus looks like E Berlin or Pyongyang?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 25, 2020, 08:10:04 AM
Trump wants all the churches in America filled on Easter Sunday......that's one way to get rid of a lot of christians. That will be an interesting day to watch....and kiss our butts goodbye.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 25, 2020, 08:59:45 AM
When Christians put their religion before the welfare of others.

https://youtu.be/CfD-ETvTGBQ
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 25, 2020, 10:04:11 AM
Trump wants all the churches in America filled on Easter Sunday......that's one way to get rid of a lot of christians. That will be an interesting day to watch....and kiss our butts goodbye.
Only a small percentage of infected actually die.  All the social distancing and self-isolation is to cut that number down as much as possible.  Let it not be said that Millennials don't care about Boomers.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 25, 2020, 11:15:17 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TtWz-AJIITA

Charlie has it, but seems like so far not a bad case of it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 25, 2020, 11:25:35 AM
Trump wants all the churches in America filled on Easter Sunday......that's one way to get rid of a lot of christians. That will be an interesting day to watch....and kiss our butts goodbye.

I don't think they will force non-Christians to attend.  We can't all be atheists ;-)

Meanwhile, yes, shut down the US forever, so the whole population dies.  Just what Emperor Xi wants.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 25, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Only a small percentage of infected actually die.  All the social distancing and self-isolation is to cut that number down as much as possible.  Let it not be said that Millennials don't care about Boomers.

No, young people, in every generation, are immature.  I don't wan't Millennials to care for me, because that means the gulag ;-)

We will know, in 9 more months, how many will die from this.  Until then, it is projection, based on inaccurate numbers.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 25, 2020, 12:11:08 PM
Today, my county is likely to get an official stay-at-home order (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241493201.html).  This is my third day of self-isolation, so I'm a little ahead of the curve.

When the number of cases in NYC skyrocketed, and NC cases started a more modest climb, I decided that it's only a matter of time before the same thing started happening here.  Because whatever happens in NYC spreads to the whole eastern seaboard quickly.

Today, we had the first two NC deaths - a 70+ year old and a 60+ who died of coronavirus complications while traveling.

This was also the deadliest coronavirus day in the US - 163 so far.  Granted, that's nothing compared to Spain or Italy or China, but we're the last one hit, so we're still in a fairly early stage.  That number is most definitely going up.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 25, 2020, 12:14:00 PM
easier to cut social securitans than social security.......hmmm
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 25, 2020, 06:11:53 PM
“Hobby Lobby founder tells workers that God spoke to his wife and forgot to mention paid sick leave”.

Billionaire refuses to pay sick leave after keeping stores open because ‘God spoke to him’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hobby-lobby-stay-open-coronavirus-staff-sick-leave-a9423491.html

The US arts-and-crafts chain Hobby Lobby has said it will remain open during the coronavirus epidemic – but has also refused sick pay for workers who fall ill, including from Covid-19. ...

Mr Green, a devout conservative Christian whose net worth is in the region of $6bn, also wrote that “I cannot adequately express how much I appreciate each one of you.”

However, in a March 23 memo to store managers seen by Business Insider, store operations vice president Randy Betts wrote that the business would “make every effort to continue working the employees”, and that sick workers will be expected to use their personal paid leave or take an unpaid leave of absence.

Much of the reaction to the revelations focused on the discrepancy between the Christian values expressed in the letter and the hardline payroll policies in the memo. Left-wing blog DailyKos, for instance, headlined its story “Hobby Lobby founder tells workers that God spoke to his wife and forgot to mention paid sick leave”.

Sure enough, in the 19 March letter to employees, Mr Green wrote that when his wife Barbara prayed for guidance the week before, “God put on [her] heart three profound words to remind us that he’s in control: Guide, Guard and Groom.

“While we do not know for certain what the future holds, or how long this disruption will last, we can all rest in knowing that God is in control.” ...



Why do Christian find the idea of God being in control comforting? If you believe in an omnipotent God, isn't "God is in control" simply stating the obvious? It isn't like the God of the Bible is in control and everything is going to be fine. God is in control and he's giving you coronavirus. God is in control and he has deemed you unworthy. God is in control and he's decided to wipe all living creatures from the planet... again.

Christians sometimes remind me of people who would rather be in an abusive relationship than be alone.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 25, 2020, 07:13:20 PM
Mr Green wrote that when his wife Barbara prayed for guidance the week before, “God put on [her] heart three profound words to remind us that he’s in control: Guide, Guard and Groom.
Anyone else get chained-in-the-basement vibes from that?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 25, 2020, 07:48:29 PM
“Hobby Lobby founder tells workers that God spoke to his wife and forgot to mention paid sick leave”.

Billionaire refuses to pay sick leave after keeping stores open because ‘God spoke to him’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hobby-lobby-stay-open-coronavirus-staff-sick-leave-a9423491.html

The US arts-and-crafts chain Hobby Lobby has said it will remain open during the coronavirus epidemic – but has also refused sick pay for workers who fall ill, including from Covid-19. ...

Mr Green, a devout conservative Christian whose net worth is in the region of $6bn, also wrote that “I cannot adequately express how much I appreciate each one of you.”

However, in a March 23 memo to store managers seen by Business Insider, store operations vice president Randy Betts wrote that the business would “make every effort to continue working the employees”, and that sick workers will be expected to use their personal paid leave or take an unpaid leave of absence.

Much of the reaction to the revelations focused on the discrepancy between the Christian values expressed in the letter and the hardline payroll policies in the memo. Left-wing blog DailyKos, for instance, headlined its story “Hobby Lobby founder tells workers that God spoke to his wife and forgot to mention paid sick leave”.

Sure enough, in the 19 March letter to employees, Mr Green wrote that when his wife Barbara prayed for guidance the week before, “God put on [her] heart three profound words to remind us that he’s in control: Guide, Guard and Groom.

“While we do not know for certain what the future holds, or how long this disruption will last, we can all rest in knowing that God is in control.” ...



Why do Christian find the idea of God being in control comforting? If you believe in an omnipotent God, isn't "God is in control" simply stating the obvious? It isn't like the God of the Bible is in control and everything is going to be fine. God is in control and he's giving you coronavirus. God is in control and he has deemed you unworthy. God is in control and he's decided to wipe all living creatures from the planet... again.

Christians sometimes remind me of people who would rather be in an abusive relationship than be alone.

Clearly Mr. Green is a man who holds and uses Christian values.  A TRUE christian, this man is.  After all, if God wants a worker of his to get this virus, then who is he to stand in God's way?? 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on March 25, 2020, 08:13:07 PM
Trump is a businessman, so the idea of people not working is something I'm sure he finds personally frustrating. He also is very aware of how this crisis can completely undermine his re-election. For example, even though he has been speaking publically he has not been able to control the media and the narrative as he has in the past. People are looking towards the experts (finally) rather than him for guidance. I work in healthcare, so I'm biased towards the wellness of individuals. Still, I think helping businesses survive and avoiding a global depression is something that needs to be a priority. What is the best way to minimize the economic impact of this pandemic? I have no idea.
He's making it ABOUT HIM.

It's not about him.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 25, 2020, 08:27:12 PM
He's making it ABOUT HIM.

It's not about him.
Don't tell him that!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 25, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
"DUDE WHO LICKED STUFF AT WAL MART FOR VIRAL VIDEO ARRESTED AND FACING FIVE YEARS IN PRISON??!" ... should be locked up with the toilet licking girl?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 25, 2020, 08:37:21 PM
"DUDE WHO LICKED STUFF AT WAL MART FOR VIRAL VIDEO ARRESTED AND FACING FIVE YEARS IN PRISON??!" ... should be locked up with the toilet licking girl?

no, they'd make viral videos about themselves
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 25, 2020, 09:59:02 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET_kONiUUAE87Tv?format=png&name=small)

how I wish this was real.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 25, 2020, 10:16:45 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET-8nQEX0AEXPv8?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 25, 2020, 11:58:49 PM
So looks like in wake of all this, Disney's stocks are plummeting. Both surprising and funny, since you'd think a company as huge as Disney would have a contingency plan in place for something like this, rather then depending on physical locations that needed to be closed.

It's funny seen as how they've been buying out everything for years now, but now shits hit the fan, they can't hold themselves above water.

I just wonder if when apple buys them their change Mickey mouses ears into apple logos
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 26, 2020, 07:54:46 AM
Hmmm, that guy sure makes a lot of money every time he plays the religion card.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 26, 2020, 10:46:25 AM
US Covid News:

"Six States Declare Marijuana Dispensaries "Essential Businesses", Exempting Them From Lockdown" ... yep

"96-0 in the United States Senate. Congratulations AMERICA!" - the Little Guy bailout.  Beware anytime both parties agree ;-)

PS ... "SENATE UNANIMOUSLY APPROVES EMERGENCY STIMULUS, DEMOCRATS WILL VOTE FRIDAY AND MIGHT DELAY VOTE" ... You must first have a sex change, become a Dolezal African-American, and a Democrat ... or no money for you ... bwahah.

Non-US Covid News:

"China Just Sent 150,000 Test Kits To Prague And 80% Of Them Didn't Work" ... about as reliable as their Covid statistics.

"Italian Mayor Threatens To Send "Police With Flamethrowers" To Graduation Parties" ... the tassles on the square hats catch fire too easily.

"French Local Official Bans Sales Of All Alcohol During COVID-19 Lockdown" ... saving all the wine for himself and his friends?

"Rio's Favela Gangs Impose Strict Curfews To Fight Spread Of "Disease Of The Rich"" ... difficult times if the gangs are law abiding.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 26, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
So looks like in wake of all this, Disney's stocks are plummeting. Both surprising and funny, since you'd think a company as huge as Disney would have a contingency plan in place for something like this, rather then depending on physical locations that needed to be closed.

It's funny seen as how they've been buying out everything for years now, but now shits hit the fan, they can't hold themselves above water.

I just wonder if when apple buys them their change Mickey mouses ears into apple logos
I noticed when I looked at my sites to see what movies were playing this week (I already knew theaters were closed, but I wanted to see what was happening at the sites), they are offering current movies via streaming to your home at a ghastly $20 per movie, when I have been paying under  $7 or $8 for a Tuesday afternoon ticket.  I didn't notice if any of these were Disney films or not, and I'm not sure what company was streaming them, but they were advertised at the theater site as if the theater was doing it.

This seems odd, because I was once told that something like 90+% of the price for a ticket goes to Hollywood, and the theaters have to make a profit by charging egregious prices for popcorn.  This makes me feel better about the theaters, and but disgusted with Hollywood. It makes theaters a privately funded venture to provide Hollywood a venue to show their films for free.  OK as long as theaters can profit, good for them, but it sounds like Hollywood (or Disney) is screwing everyone, even fellow capitalists.

The idea of home streaming makes sense, especially with the advent of HD projectors and massive screens in home theaters, although one does have to dedicate part of the house to that entertainment, or ideally, build a new home with a dedicated theater (which would arguably be the biggest room in the whole house).  But 20 bucks for a movie, while supplying your own costly venue for Hollywood to show you their latest reboot of a 3 year old film....  I dunno.  It calls for a revolt, maybe a bloody revolution.  I love movies, but I hate feeling like I'm getting fucked.  But then we're all being fucked, whether it's by your telephone company or your bank.

I was going to include "or your gas station, but today I saw gas locally selling for $1.59/gal, a price I haven't seen in 50 years.  We live in interesting times.  Is it the end of times?

Kentucky BP Station with $0.99 Gas Prices Sells Out Almost Immediately  March 19, 2020
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Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 26, 2020, 04:44:29 PM
Now more than 80k known cases in the U.S., up by 14k cases since yesterday.

The exponential growth, so far, isn't slowing down, quite the opposite. The graph for the inflection point (when there will be less cases than previous day) is unknown so far.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 26, 2020, 05:39:40 PM
County police are following and trying to shame dog walkers for taking their dogs to open parklands and fields away from the public areas.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JbvWniXcNhA

Lot of people are pissed off, since this doesn't violate any rules, plus dogs need to get exercise

I'd say their being more responsible, by putting their dog in a car and driving to an unpopulated area. Meanwhile the police are only half arsing it when it comes to malls and shopping centres
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 26, 2020, 05:41:47 PM
Now more than 80k known cases in the U.S., up by 14k cases since yesterday.

The exponential growth, so far, isn't slowing down, quite the opposite. The graph for the inflection point (when there will be less cases than previous day) is unknown so far.

There are all the people with it who haven't been tested yet.  And all the people with it who have been tested.  A medical technician woman, dropped dead at home, in Atlanta Georgia.  She had no symptoms.  Autopsy showed she had Covid.  Some people outside of China may have had Covid since December, because China hid the problem, then failed to lock down their airports etc to prevent Chinese and others in China, from leaving.

So part of the growth in cases, is because it is growing.  Another part is due to the fact that there is a lot more testing now than a month ago.

Current US growth of fatalities ...

Mar 21 - 301 total US fatalities

Mar 25 - 935 total US fatalities (+634 in 4 days)

So still basically tripling every 3 days ... so expect 2800 total US fatalities by end of Mar 28.

"In Stunning Show Of Hypocrisy, China Shuts All Borders To Foreigners Over Virus Fears" ... they should have done this to their own people, Jan 1.

In other news, China guilty of buying up all the medical supplies in Australia/N America in January/February while Western governments were asleep at the wheel.  China didn't have to horde TP because ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 26, 2020, 06:14:30 PM
Numberphile did a vid on infection/recovery rate of diseases in general yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6nLfCbAzgo
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 27, 2020, 07:57:49 AM
Was announced today, Boris has contracted the disease.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fSH2Ze3OGbY

Mild symptoms. Though might mean it has spread to the rest of parliment

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEcfKnVaJlg
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 08:18:10 AM
Putin wears a full hazmat suit.  Boris should have been wearing one even last year when in Parliament ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSbwYyyCIJU
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 27, 2020, 12:52:42 PM
My county just used the emergency alert system to issue a Stay at Home order starting this evening. Looking at the list of restrictions, it is basically what I have already been doing.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 27, 2020, 01:38:21 PM
My state's breaking it down by city now. 11 confirmed in my home town, 72 in the city where I work. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 27, 2020, 03:54:14 PM
144  total infected

54 recoveries

507 in quarantine

3120 tests in total

2 in hospital

no deaths so far here out of a population of 52,000 people.

4 more infected since yesterday, so it seems to be under control. It's just that there's an unknown number infected as well, so when shopping every precaution is being made by pretty much everyone.

2 arrests were made yesterday for people breaking quarantine too.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 27, 2020, 04:17:52 PM
And of course; the Bible thumpers have their own novel take on the Covid-19 coronavirus.

https://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/trumps-cabinet-pastor-has-a-wild-theory-that-coronavirus-is-gods-wrath/

it's teh gheys & unbelievers fault. Fucking moron.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 27, 2020, 04:29:21 PM
If it were god's wrath, how come non-believers are alive?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 05:02:32 PM
My state's breaking it down by city now. 11 confirmed in my home town, 72 in the city where I work. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

Or this really is no worse than the seasonal flu, and old people die anyway?  Do try to get a grip.  I am guessing you aren't in a major city ... in which case you were fucked even before the virus came ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 05:09:52 PM
144  total infected

54 recoveries

507 in quarantine

3120 tests in total

2 in hospital

no deaths so far here out of a population of 52,000 people.

4 more infected since yesterday, so it seems to be under control. It's just that there's an unknown number infected as well, so when shopping every precaution is being made by pretty much everyone.

2 arrests were made yesterday for people breaking quarantine too.

Faroe Islands has very high per capita case rate (2974/million), like all small densely populated locations, like San Marino.  San Marino is the worst off small place, because they are right next to N Italy (6572/million).  So don't be complacent!  US is only 303/million.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 27, 2020, 07:02:36 PM
Just had the first death in my county, a 44-year old man with no underlying conditions about 20 miles from where I live. Fun times.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 27, 2020, 07:11:13 PM
There's 317 reported cases in my county. Thing is my town is the one with one of the bigger hospitals so patients from other towns are being brought to it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 27, 2020, 07:16:04 PM
Just had the first death in my county, a 44-year old man with no underlying conditions about 20 miles from where I live. Fun times.

As bad as it is someone that age and without prior health conditions can die of it, it does give us better insight into the thing. Reports like this need to be hammered into fools who don't treat this like a serious thing, who go about like it's any other day.
Sadly I know a couple people like this, family friends who aren't taking it serious, dog walking in their local town rather then driving to an unpopulated area, going to the local shops without a care. Needless to say if one of them calls my mother about coming to see her I'm barricading the front door from them.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on March 27, 2020, 08:23:05 PM
I picked a bad time to start smoking again.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 27, 2020, 09:01:30 PM
As bad as it is someone that age and without prior health conditions can die of it, it does give us better insight into the thing. Reports like this need to be hammered into fools who don't treat this like a serious thing, who go about like it's any other day.
Yeah, there's a misconception that only older folks are at risk.  While people older than 60 do make up the bulk of deaths, people in their 30s and 40s - especially people with asthma or bronchitis - absolutely can die from this, too.  People shouldn't falsely assume that it's no big deal because they're relatively young.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 09:12:25 PM
Just had the first death in my county, a 44-year old man with no underlying conditions about 20 miles from where I live. Fun times.

Exactly.  People have unknown conditions ... which is why people with no "known" underlying conditions have crisis or sudden death.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 09:14:38 PM
As bad as it is someone that age and without prior health conditions can die of it, it does give us better insight into the thing. Reports like this need to be hammered into fools who don't treat this like a serious thing, who go about like it's any other day.
Sadly I know a couple people like this, family friends who aren't taking it serious, dog walking in their local town rather then driving to an unpopulated area, going to the local shops without a care. Needless to say if one of them calls my mother about coming to see her I'm barricading the front door from them.

British police upset if you do your dog walking out in the countryside.  Because of the travel aspect.  The drones are watching.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
I picked a bad time to start smoking again.

But could weed have countervailing medical positives?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 09:17:21 PM
There's 317 reported cases in my county. Thing is my town is the one with one of the bigger hospitals so patients from other towns are being brought to it.

States around NYC are upset that plague victims are fleeing to neighboring areas, bringing plague with them.  But then NYC is like that all the time, right?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 27, 2020, 09:36:19 PM
I picked a bad time to start smoking again.

my aunt, whos in her early 70s, is a chronic smoker, smokes sometimes 10-12 a day, uses it as an apatite suppressant. so yeah, i'm concerned about her.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 09:47:38 PM
my aunt, whos in her early 70s, is a chronic smoker, smokes sometimes 10-12 a day, uses it as an apatite suppressant. so yeah, i'm concerned about her.

Common in smoking seniors.  My mother, after 83 years old, had very bad diet habits, because of failure of taste buds/sense of smell ... which wasn't helped by being a chain smoker.  But be honest, cigs are a stress relief.  She is probably anxious from age 15 about eating too much.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 27, 2020, 09:51:54 PM
"Trump signs $2T stimulus bill after House approves historic coronavirus response" ... don't let the perfect be the enemy of the practical.

"The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers is looking at 114 facilities in all 50 states to convert into potential temporary hospitals in an effort to increase the nation’s hospital capacity in preparation for an expected influx of hundreds of thousands of coronavirus patients." ... Army of One!  Also two Navy hospital ships, and field hospitals from Ft Hood (1st Cavalry) and Ft Bragg (101st Airborne).

"Hillary Clinton under fire for joke about US leading in virus cases: Trump 'did promise America First'" ... universal political foot in mouth disease.

"Trump appoints Navarro to lead Defense Production Act efforts after forcing GM to make ventilators" ... a temporary necessary effort.  Bring at least 50% of all manufacturing back to the US (fair to China).  Necessary for national security.  If prices are higher and financiers make less money ... too bad.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 27, 2020, 10:00:46 PM
I'm not much on prognostication but his formula is interesting.

Historian who correctly predicted last 9 presidential elections: Trump is more likely to lose because of coronavirus

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/historian-who-correctly-predicted-last-9-presidential-elections-trump-is-more-likely-to-lose-because-of-coronavirus/

Allan Lichtman, a political historian at American University whose book “The Keys to the White House” has helped him correctly predict the last nine presidential elections, told Salon last week the coronavirus pandemic may spell defeat for President Trump in the 2020 election.

Lichtman’s system is based on 13 “keys,” a series of true-or-false statements that anticipate whether the incumbent party’s presidential candidate will be elected in a given year. If six or more of the statements are false, the incumbent candidate will lose; if fewer than six are false, he or she will win. While Lichtman’s system is somewhat complicated by elections where there is a split between the popular vote and the Electoral College results, it has otherwise successfully anticipated every presidential election since 1984. 

“There were four keys solidly locked in against the president” prior to the outbreak, Lichtman explained. “It takes six to predict defeat. But this was before [the pandemic]. Key 1: Party mandate. Key 9: Scandal. Key 11: Foreign/military success. Key 12: incumbent charisma. That’s four false keys locked in.”

Lichtman’s analysis is based on the fact that Republicans lost control of the House of Representatives in the 2018 midterms; that Trump has faced a number of scandals during his presidency, including one that led to his impeachment; has had no major military or foreign policy successes; and is neither a military hero nor “charismatic,” a term Lichtman defines to mean a candidate who appeals to large groups of voters outside of his or her party’s usual coalition. Trump’s approval rating has been stuck in the 40s throughout his term and, according to Lichtman, “You can’t call a candidate stuck in that range, appealing only to a minority, a charismatic candidate.”

The coronavirus pandemic, however, may have significantly worsened Trump’s re-election chances, at least according to Lichtman’s analytics.

“The current crisis, which is biological, governmental and societal, puts into jeopardy two additional keys,” Lichtman explained. Those would be “Key 5, the short-term economy — many economists are predicting that we’re going to slide into a recession, or may already be in a recession — and Key 8, the social unrest key. And it makes Key 10, foreign policy or military failure, even more shaky than before.” Lichtman earlier suggested that relations with North Korea and the unstable situation in the Middle East could endanger Key 10 for Trump.

If any two of those three keys turn against Trump, he is a predicted failure,” Lichtman said. “If zero or one turn against him, he is a predicted winner. I obviously haven’t made a final call yet, since we don’t know how this crisis will ultimately be resolved or not resolved in the upcoming months.” ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 27, 2020, 11:22:42 PM
#ChinaLiedPeopleDied

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1243367546272669702

(https://puu.sh/FpTIU.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 27, 2020, 11:29:20 PM
Conservatives in America: The Wuhan Virus is a hoax and not as bad as swine flu.
Me: How dense can a person be?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 27, 2020, 11:33:51 PM
Conservatives in America: The Wuhan Virus is a hoax and not as bad as swine flu.
Me: How dense can a person be?
Neutronium dense.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: drunkenshoe on March 28, 2020, 07:40:46 AM
Conservatives in America: The Wuhan Virus is a hoax and not as bad as swine flu.
Me: How dense can a person be?

<Correction> Conservatives and the religious everywhere around the world: The Wuhan Virus is a hoax and not as bad as smt smt flu. You can't stop us from going out, it is our basic right! You can't close the places of worship, it is our basic right!   

Me: Die, you fucking piece of shit, die!

They've closed mosques -and others- over here to mass worship on Fridays. Shenanigans ensued.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: drunkenshoe on March 28, 2020, 07:43:42 AM
I picked a bad time to start smoking again.

I am smoking 1/4 what I used to...just happened by itself...LOL Best time to quit or never.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 28, 2020, 08:00:42 AM
Conservatives in America: The Wuhan Virus is a hoax and not as bad as swine flu.
If you think that's bad, just wait till you see their stance on global warming.  It simultaneously doesn't exist, won't be that bad, and will actually be good (under the logic that a little bit of atmospheric carbon is good for trees, therefore tons of it will be even better)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 10:35:28 AM
Conservatives in America: The Wuhan Virus is a hoax and not as bad as swine flu.
Me: How dense can a person be?

Liberals in America:  The Chinese Virus is real and hopefully all the "deplorables" will die
Me: How evil can a person be?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 10:37:05 AM
Neutronium dense.

Jimmy Neutron is a genius!  Illiterate jibe at Professor Utonium, father of the Powerpuff Girls?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 10:37:54 AM
<Correction> Conservatives and the religious everywhere around the world: The Wuhan Virus is a hoax and not as bad as smt smt flu. You can't stop us from going out, it is our basic right! You can't close the places of worship, it is our basic right!   

Me: Die, you fucking piece of shit, die!

They've closed mosques -and others- over here to mass worship on Fridays. Shenanigans ensued.

Coming from a Muslim country, that is harsh ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 10:38:53 AM
If you think that's bad, just wait till you see their stance on global warming.  It simultaneously doesn't exist, won't be that bad, and will actually be good (under the logic that a little bit of atmospheric carbon is good for trees, therefore tons of it will be even better)

Shit happens.  Taking away my electricity, natural gas, gasoline ... die commie die!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
"HARVARD SAYS WE COULD BE LOCKDOWN FOR TWO YEARS??! TRUMP IS RIGHT, THATS CRAZY" ... ivory tower thinking, just shut colleges down, permanently.  In the post-apocalypse Internet social distancing world, they are not only unnecessary, they are contagious.

"RHODE ISLAND SETS UP BORDER CHECKPOINT TO STOP PEOPLE FROM NEW YORK, HERE IT IS, INTERNAL US BORDE.." ... smallest state is David to NY giant ;-) (NY GiANTS team).

PS ... US stats

Mar 25 - 1027 total US fatalities
Mar 27 - 1696 total US fatalities
Still doubling every 3 days

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 28, 2020, 01:24:02 PM
So apparently Mardi gras still happened despite warnings of isolation and lockdown. Are people in different parts of America that far removed from common sense? It's lead to the biggest spread of the virus in that region.

Also saw Arnie, who on his Instagram praised people for staying indoors, and then went for a joyride on his bike through LA. Apparently celebrities going for joy rides count as essential workers now?

Something else I sadly realised on the other end of it, when this started up before it got bad, I got a bulk pack of toilet rolls on eBay, 60 for £19, and thankful I did since now the weekly shopping delivery despite putting toilet rolls on the list, it hasn't been showing up. So for now it's good, however I think in several weeks time I might have to look to eBay again for some more, at the now massively inflated prices
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 28, 2020, 02:36:11 PM
Are people in different parts of America that far removed from common sense?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/xT1R9MnVqUyAL9fiHm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 28, 2020, 02:56:53 PM
My husband has some habits I've always found odd including stockpiling toilet paper. Back when I heard people were buying up TP I checked the closet and found 106 rolls.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 28, 2020, 03:00:39 PM
My husband has some habits I've always found odd including stockpiling toilet paper. Back when I heard people were buying up TP I checked the closet and found 106 rolls.

glad your both don't have to panic about that. Stay safe.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 28, 2020, 03:49:28 PM
Quote
Are people in different parts of America that far removed from common sense?

Yes.

As a county we are almost exactly the same size of all of Europe combined. Just within a country as small as England, think about how many regions you have where the people are a little bit... different and not known for being bright.

Now imagine that region as being slightly bigger than England and Wales combined, give everyone meth or whatever the fuck Florida is on, and you have just one state out of fifty that is like that region but even crazier.

Louisiana is almost the same size of England, and the distance between Louisiana and Florida is about the distance of London to Paris and back to London again...

The point is America is fucking massive, so although we are "one nation", in reality we have massive amounts of regional diversity and really are more like the EU than a country. It's not quite as pronounced due to our shorter history and shared language as you would see in Europe, but it's there. And unfortunately we have A LOT of states that are the size of European countries that have developing-world levels of education and infrastructure.

(And i'm not be hyperbolic about that, there are literally large parts of the South and Midwest, millions upon millions of people, that have absolutely horrendous levels of public education, limited access to sanitary drinking water/affordable shelter(large homeless populations or unsafe housing)/medical care, etc.)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 28, 2020, 04:15:29 PM
My husband has some habits I've always found odd including stockpiling toilet paper. Back when I heard people were buying up TP I checked the closet and found 106 rolls.
No shit!!! :)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on March 28, 2020, 04:27:27 PM
Liberals in America:  The Chinese Virus is real and hopefully all the "deplorables" will die
Me: How evil can a person be?

HMMM. It seems you don't know what "liberal" is
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 28, 2020, 04:40:11 PM
GameStop: wrap your hand in plastic and get back to work! (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/27/business/gamestop-employees-wrap-your-hands-plastic-bags-go-back-work/)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 05:49:40 PM
So apparently Mardi gras still happened despite warnings of isolation and lockdown. Are people in different parts of America that far removed from common sense? It's lead to the biggest spread of the virus in that region.

Also saw Arnie, who on his Instagram praised people for staying indoors, and then went for a joyride on his bike through LA. Apparently celebrities going for joy rides count as essential workers now?

Something else I sadly realised on the other end of it, when this started up before it got bad, I got a bulk pack of toilet rolls on eBay, 60 for £19, and thankful I did since now the weekly shopping delivery despite putting toilet rolls on the list, it hasn't been showing up. So for now it's good, however I think in several weeks time I might have to look to eBay again for some more, at the now massively inflated prices

Yes, the mayor of New Orleans let this go forward back in February.  No excuse!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
My husband has some habits I've always found odd including stockpiling toilet paper. Back when I heard people were buying up TP I checked the closet and found 106 rolls.

Keep that fact to yourself!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
HMMM. It seems you don't know what "liberal" is

What is a Liberal ... death to Boris Johnson, death to Donald Trump, Left dictatorship by Corbyn or Hillary?

I paraphrased and reversed your language, just to show it up.  It is OK to hate Conservatives.  It is also OK to hate Progressives (Liberals).  Both are worth hating because of the virtue signaling.  There should be a virus just to kill of hypocrites.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 28, 2020, 06:40:59 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ_3C89bwKo
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 28, 2020, 09:13:41 PM
3Blue1Brown made another video on disease spread, now a little more in depth than the last, with the measures now being recommended around the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxAaO2rsdIs
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 28, 2020, 10:57:11 PM
Monte-Carlo / Random Walk algorithms are a good way to simulate finance / politics too ;-))
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 28, 2020, 11:10:48 PM
Monte-Carlo / Random Walk algorithms are a good way to simulate finance / politics too ;-))
It's a toy model, not a simulation.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
It's a toy model, not a simulation.

Your toy, my national policy ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 10:09:19 AM
"UK Police Force Creates Tool That Lets People Snitch On Others For Not "Social Distancing"" ... now Munch can join the British Stasi ;-)

"German State Finance Minister Found Dead" ... suicide.  Being elite has its hazards.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 06:43:33 PM
"White House Extends Coronavirus Guidelines Until April 30" ... will keep the lockdown until the Army of the Unemployed forms ...

"French Official Says Quarantine Should Not Be Enforced In Migrant Areas To Avoid Riots" ... not enough wine or cheese in the Banluis.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 29, 2020, 06:54:59 PM
Now, 2 months later it's 718.685 cases worldwide with starting signs that it's slowing down, a tad, but still not at the inflection point.

149.076 recovered.

33.881 deaths.

Closed cases are 182.957‬, while there are active cases of 535.728‬.

If you take the closed cases only the mortality rate is a lot higher than the projected 2-3%, it's more like 18,5%, because we don't know yet the turnout for the active cases will be; recovery or death.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 29, 2020, 07:52:17 PM
Four Asian-Americans were stabbed here in Texas because, and I quote the stabber, "He thought they were Chinese and spreading the Coronavirus."

I guess that makes stabbing a 2 year old, a 6 year old and their parents okay then?

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-authorities-warn-increase-asian-004749098.html?soc_src=community&soc_trk=fb
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 29, 2020, 08:22:05 PM
I really wish I had a private, uninhabited island for both the people who are homicidally concerned about this pandemic (and racist to boot) and the people who aren't at all concerned and won't modify their behavior at all.  Let them duke it out and leave the sane people alone.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 09:43:45 PM
Now, 2 months later it's 718.685 cases worldwide with starting signs that it's slowing down, a tad, but still not at the inflection point.

149.076 recovered.

33.881 deaths.

Closed cases are 182.957‬, while there are active cases of 535.728‬.

If you take the closed cases only the mortality rate is a lot higher than the projected 2-3%, it's more like 18,5%, because we don't know yet the turnout for the active cases will be; recovery or death.

Are the active cases people in hospital?  The fatality rate against all infected, vs fatality rate against people in hospital, are different.  If hospitals fail apart as claimed in Italy and Spain, then the hospital fatality rate does up.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 29, 2020, 09:48:18 PM
I really wish I had a private, uninhabited island for both the people who are homicidally concerned about this pandemic (and racist to boot) and the people who aren't at all concerned and won't modify their behavior at all.  Let them duke it out and leave the sane people alone.

times like this showcase peoples true nature. I'm happy to find those closet to me are sane and rational, my mum, brother, his famiy, my boyfriends, they have all dedicated to staying indoors and protecting one another, only stepping out for supplies and adapting to life indoors, which in my brothers case is hard given he has 2 young kids.

Sadly that doesn't extend to everyone I know. two family friends close to my mum, who are old enough to be in the risk group, one being married to a man who suffered eunomia last year, the other one being asthmatic herself, are going out for walks around their village or local town to meet friends.. for what fuck if i know.
My aunt whos partner is a contract builder is stuck at home and slowly going crazy, I'm expecting their both go wander about soon.

my friend in sweden seems to be following the rules so far and staying indoors with his roommate, but he's said about going outside for food too.

I've been inside for 2 and a half weeks so far and I feel okay, I'm a natural introvert anyway and staying indoors, reading, writing, watching movies, baking and playing games is more my idea of entertainment. I'm just more concerned about the people I care about the most.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 09:52:00 PM
"NATIONAL GUARD GOES TO HOMES HUNTING DOWN "REFUGEES" FROM NYC, CUOMO CALLS IT "DECLARATION OF WAR"" ...  Governor Cuomo is saying, US has declared war on New York!  Trump caught between a rock and a hard place ... says that he recommends New Yorkers stay in New York, but won't call for a national lockdown (which would include prohibiting interstate travel).  Rhode Island lady governor has sent in Rhode Island National Guard ... to check on any New York auto plates at any location in Rhode Island, demanding they quarantine for 14 days.  Governor Cuomo wants to sue Rhode Island.

Meanwhile Trump claims that Cuomo is hiding a reserve supply of medical equipment, while demanding additional medical equipment from the rest of the US.  NYC itself is getting excellent support from Washington DC.

In Australia, they have shut down travel between Australian states, based on orders from individual governors, complicating the job of the Australian PM.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 09:55:51 PM
times like this showcase peoples true nature. I'm happy to find those closet to me are sane and rational, my mum, brother, his famiy, my boyfriends, they have all dedicated to staying indoors and protecting one another, only stepping out for supplies and adapting to life indoors, which in my brothers case is hard given he has 2 young kids.

Sadly that doesn't extend to everyone I know. two family friends close to my mum, who are old enough to be in the risk group, one being married to a man who suffered eunomia last year, the other one being asthmatic herself, are going out for walks around their village or local town to meet friends.. for what fuck if i know.
My aunt whos partner is a contract builder is stuck at home and slowly going crazy, I'm expecting their both go wander about soon.

my friend in sweden seems to be following the rules so far and staying indoors with his roommate, but he's said about going outside for food too.

I've been inside for 2 and a half weeks so far and I feel okay, I'm a natural introvert anyway and staying indoors, reading, writing, watching movies, baking and playing games is more my idea of entertainment. I'm just more concerned about the people I care about the most.

I go out once a day for drive thru fast food.  Every other day I go out for limited grocery shopping (scavenger hunt).  Haven't been with family (two different trailer  parks) for 8 days.  I can easily continue this for two more weeks.  So I am limiting public exposure, but above zero.  This level is still legal here.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 29, 2020, 09:57:41 PM
Ohio's been giving county by county results since the first case in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) (https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/home/dashboard).  We're at around 1650 known cases with "only" 29 deaths so far.  As of 2pm today, there have been no new cases since yesterday.  I suppose that won't hold, but that's an optimistic sign, at least.

For the most part, DeWine has done well, with only two major missteps along the way: canceling the primary at the last possible moment without either declaring a new date or vote-by-mail, and closing women's health clinics as "optional" medical care.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 10:02:10 PM
"SOCIAL ORDER IS BREAKING DOWN IN ITALY, POLICE BEING DEPLOYED TO GROCERY STORES AS LOOTING ERUPTS" ... getting bad in Italy ;-(

If people can't get food, they will riot.  Supposedly food is going short in South Italy.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 29, 2020, 10:05:23 PM
Are the active cases people in hospital?  The fatality rate against all infected, vs fatality rate against people in hospital, are different.  If hospitals fail apart as claimed in Italy and Spain, then the hospital fatality rate does up.
There are most likely a lot of not reported infections, people with either mild symptoms or are asymptomatic. I just think that the reported 2% - 3% is probably only for countries with this under control.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 10:20:22 PM
There are most likely a lot of not reported infections, people with either mild symptoms or are asymptomatic. I just think that the reported 2% - 3% is probably only for countries with this under control.

It is OK to be an optimist at times like this.  We won't know the final score until the third wave of this virus cuts thru us, maybe by 12 months from now.  Also, there is the complications of "Cause Of Death" ... usually it is more than one thing.  Do we call one fatality !00% Covid, 50% Covid ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2020, 10:22:46 PM
Ohio's been giving county by county results since the first case in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) (https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/home/dashboard).  We're at around 1650 known cases with "only" 29 deaths so far.  As of 2pm today, there have been no new cases since yesterday.  I suppose that won't hold, but that's an optimistic sign, at least.

For the most part, DeWine has done well, with only two major missteps along the way: canceling the primary at the last possible moment without either declaring a new date or vote-by-mail, and closing women's health clinics as "optional" medical care.

Same here.  22 cases in my county, no fatalities so far.  We don't have a lot of people here.  Don't know if any of those folks needed to be hospitalized, but we do have an above average number of retirees here, so must have nursing home patients too.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 29, 2020, 10:46:59 PM
Men advocating for unborn life while putting living people at risk.

GUILFORD COUNTY MAKES ONLINE FORM TO REPORT STAY AT HOME VIOLATORS

GREENSBORO, N.C. — Guilford County is under a stay at home order. You're only allowed to leave your house for essential reasons. And local leaders want to know if you see businesses violating that order.

They've created an online form to report people and places to be investigated.

Saturday three men were arrested while protesting outside an abortion clinic in Greensboro, while another was given a citation.

According to the Greensboro Police Department, the men are from a religious group called Love Life which is based in Charlotte.

Police say the men traveled from the Charlotte area to stage their protest at the abortion clinic.

A Facebook video shows police trying repeatedly to warn the men to leave and follow the stay at home order. When the men refused, the officers charged them.

Greensboro Police say the men engaged in what's considered non-essential travel under the stay-at-the home act. Police say the group willfully violated the order.

The men are the first in the City of Greensboro to be charged for violating the stay-at-home order.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 29, 2020, 11:14:35 PM
I go out once a day for drive thru fast food.  Every other day I go out for limited grocery shopping (scavenger hunt).  Haven't been with family (two different trailer  parks) for 8 days.  I can easily continue this for two more weeks.  So I am limiting public exposure, but above zero.  This level is still legal here.

Think it'll be a lot longer then 2 weeks. Your really needing for it to reach its peak first
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 30, 2020, 12:28:15 AM
(https://i.redd.it/fepilmcjxop41.jpg)

Never coulda seen that coming.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 30, 2020, 01:04:35 AM
Never coulda seen that coming.
And yet more evidence of Darwinian evolution in action.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on March 30, 2020, 03:09:08 AM
If you feel like raging

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElIf2DBrWzU
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 04:51:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en06PYwvpbI

Doctors vs comics
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 04:58:08 AM
Think it'll be a lot longer then 2 weeks. Your really needing for it to reach its peak first

By that time society will be dead ;-(  Lots of people will be rioting because they need to work, by May 1.  Already in Italy.  I am not in that category, but I am armed, just in case.  The idea that you can suppress the economy for 12 months is nuts.

This is the prophesy of the 60s, Helter Skelter aka Charles Manson.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on March 30, 2020, 08:19:13 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CUlX7oM.png)

Those know-it-all pilots say we should land the plane at some made-up-place called a tarmac, but I disagree.  Who's with me?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 30, 2020, 08:57:43 AM
Health official here announced it could take as long as 6 months before life returns to normal.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 30, 2020, 09:34:50 AM
This pandemic has become a political divide.  Should business take a hit for the good of the country, or should more people die for the good of business?  Remember when Republicans claimed that Universal Health Care would result in death panels?  You know, government created death panels, that would decide the fate of the less fortunate, rather than the trusted insurance companies making that decision for us.  Now our government says, "If you are not willing to die for the good of business, you are a traitor."  Well not the whole government, just the administrative branch. 

These are interesting times to watch.  I remember watching an episode of Star Trek years ago, where people would voluntarily report to disintegration chambers when called upon to do so by a bizarre utopian government.  I was quite young, and I thought that society was absurdly stupid, which of course was the whole point of the episode.  Exaggerated to make a point, as good science fiction often does, it made an observation about the dangers of societies run for the self interest of an elite leadership.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 12:11:47 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CUlX7oM.png)

Those know-it-all pilots say we should land the plane at some made-up-place called a tarmac, but I disagree.  Who's with me?

Lawyers, TV hosts are better at pandemic management than doctors?  Dr Fauci seems to be more of a bureaucrat than a practicing doctor, to me.  The doctors experimenting with HCQ are making progress.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 12:15:49 PM
Health official here announced it could take as long as 6 months before life returns to normal.

That is optimistic.  There will be relaxed lockdowns, relaxed travel restrictions, and new waves of infection.  Perhaps in socialist GB, you can keep everyone on the dole for 6 months, the US can't.  Tories are like Labour, but with better class.

"Harvard Researchers Propose "Intermittent" Lockdowns And "Widespread Surveillance" Of Americans To Avoid Critical-Care Capacity" ... can we just keep the universities/colleges closed permanently? ;-)  Do all education on-line.  Current wave of infection in the US ... peak outside of metros in two weeks, peek in metros in 4 weeks.  But this isn't a one time thing.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on March 30, 2020, 12:28:06 PM
So apparently Mardi gras still happened despite warnings of isolation and lockdown. Are people in different parts of America that far removed from common sense?
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlP2ms0eUc5nlHG/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 12:32:06 PM
""This Could Be Devastating" - Amazon, Instacart Workers Plan Strikes Today" ... the lockdowns are already like a "general strike".  Without on-line ordering, you will have to make your own stuff by hand.  Fortunately we haven't yet moved to "centralized remote delivery of cooked food to consumers" yet, as part of the Just-In-Time conspiracy.  Then a strike will have you starving, you "deplorable" you.

""Officers Are Scared" - Cops Nationwide Sick, Dying From COVID-19" ... not just doctors and nurses are heroes.  When the medical team is all quarantined, what will you do?  When all the police are quarantined, what will you do?  National Guard (to maintain order) anyone?

"Priceless Van Gogh Painting Stolen During Brazen Heist On Painter's Birthday" ... in Netherlands.  The second oldest profession might be robbery, not politics, or is that a difference without distinction?

"NY Prisoners Say They're Re-Packaging Hand Sanitizer, Not Making It From Scratch, Under Cuomo's Program" ... Andrew Cuomo's current popularity might be more smoke and mirrors?

"As States Shutter Gun Stores Amid Surging Demand, Rights Activist Launches "Netflix For 3-D Guns"" ... in a free society, people find a way to do what they want, not what the government wants.

"Mayor Grants NYPD Power To Issue Fines Up To $500 For Failing To 'Social Distance'" ... fine everyone in a subway/bus?

"Pentagon Orders Essential Staff To Deep Underground Mountain Bunker As Pandemic Prep Escalates" ... so that "continuity of government" can continue on another planet, via Star Gate ;-).  they are talking about Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado.

"Canada Bans Passengers Showing Virus Symptoms From Domestic Flights & Trains" ... Beta Minister is still very laid back.  You have to try to catch people before they get symptoms, or shut down mass transport.

""What Is Really Essential"? In The US Golf And Guns, In France Wine And Pastries" ... golf for the US upper class, guns for the US lower class.  France is egalitarian, wine and pastries for everyone!


Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 12:46:36 PM
"FDA APPROVES TRUMP TOUTED COVID TREATMENT, MEDIA INSANE ORANGE MAN BAD LIES WILL GET US KILLED" ... if you self medicate with fish tank cleaner, blame TDS.

Mar 27 - 1696 total US fatalities
Mar 29 - 2484 total US fatalities

Doubling every 4.3 days
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on March 30, 2020, 03:15:38 PM
I don't remember where I found the article, but if anyone is interested enough in it I will go back and find it, but...

I was reading an article talking about how the EU is working essentially as one nation to deal with the Coronavirus by pooling resources and personal to travel where they are most needed, regardless of country of origin. This is in contrast to the United States which is one country but is behaving like 50... States are literally having bidding wars against each other for essential supplies and are trying to keep their medical personal within their own borders because the federal government has essentially said everyone is on their own.



I mean think about that... even in a global catastrophe, American capitalists are finding a way to make life-saving equipment a commodity to be bid on and cost the government abhorrent amounts of money to purchase... assuming your state is even rich enough to compete in the bidding wars. I've always thought the slave trade and modern "sweatshop" (slave) labour was the absolute worse example of what can happen when you let capitalism go unregulated, but this is giving it a run for it's money.



I said it a few weeks ago, and I'll say it again... unless the Federal government can start behaving like one, I don't feel it's beneficial for states like Texas to remain part of the union. I know that's always been "our thing", that the federal government should be toothless and state's rights are more important, but if the people in charge cant take charge when they are needed, why have them in charge in the first place?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 30, 2020, 03:33:02 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8165403/Drinking-methanol-leaves-300-people-dead-1-000-ill-Iran.html

300 people die in Iran drinking methanol in mistaken belief it cures coronavirus

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 30, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
I've been watching and reading articles about disney and the deep shit their in now over this.

Their parks are closed, their cruise ships are shut down, nobody can go to the cinema to see the movies they own due to being closed. Their merchandise stores are closed.

And now, in just 2 weeks, their billions in dept. I do feel sorry for their workers as its obvious many of them will be out of a job soon, but there is that little sense of schadenfreude I feel to seeing a big evil corporation struggle to stay alive.

Despite them owning so many franchises and associated companys, none of it helped them when they needed it most.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 06:03:03 PM
I don't remember where I found the article, but if anyone is interested enough in it I will go back and find it, but...

I was reading an article talking about how the EU is working essentially as one nation to deal with the Coronavirus by pooling resources and personal to travel where they are most needed, regardless of country of origin. This is in contrast to the United States which is one country but is behaving like 50... States are literally having bidding wars against each other for essential supplies and are trying to keep their medical personal within their own borders because the federal government has essentially said everyone is on their own.



I mean think about that... even in a global catastrophe, American capitalists are finding a way to make life-saving equipment a commodity to be bid on and cost the government abhorrent amounts of money to purchase... assuming your state is even rich enough to compete in the bidding wars. I've always thought the slave trade and modern "sweatshop" (slave) labour was the absolute worse example of what can happen when you let capitalism go unregulated, but this is giving it a run for it's money.



I said it a few weeks ago, and I'll say it again... unless the Federal government can start behaving like one, I don't feel it's beneficial for states like Texas to remain part of the union. I know that's always been "our thing", that the federal government should be toothless and state's rights are more important, but if the people in charge cant take charge when they are needed, why have them in charge in the first place?

Projection unfortunately.  Merkel is in quarantine in her bunker.  Macron is playing King Louis.  At the recent nation heads meeting with the EU people, they were told, Germany will do to you what we already did to Greece (as in FU).  German and French taxpayers won't bail you out.  The nation heads were furious.  EU is not a working Federal system, and is not a nation.  Individual nations are closing borders, not doing Schengen.

The US has a working Federal system ... where the Governors are primary, not the President.  The national government is only there to facilitate proper action by the individual states (as intended) not as Great Society as envisaged by that war criminal, LBJ.  In fact, the President could only take limited immediate action, as allowed by current law.  To do more, new legislation was required (and granted).

So you want an authoritarian system, where the states are just branches of Washington DC?  You want us to be China?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pcduttZPoU

Without Eurobonds, the Greeking of EU members will continue.  From 2015 onward, German citizens have made profit off of the Greek bailout.  No risk for them.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 06:06:40 PM
I've been watching and reading articles about disney and the deep shit their in now over this.

Their parks are closed, their cruise ships are shut down, nobody can go to the cinema to see the movies they own due to being closed. Their merchandise stores are closed.

And now, in just 2 weeks, their billions in dept. I do feel sorry for their workers as its obvious many of them will be out of a job soon, but there is that little sense of schadenfreude I feel to seeing a big evil corporation struggle to stay alive.

Despite them owning so many franchises and associated companys, none of it helped them when they needed it most.

Corporations are house of cards built on digital debt (the derivatives markets not fixed after 2009).  Governments are helpless if they have no organic basis (see Brexit).  If I am not willing to fight for my neighbor (kill or be killed) then they aren't a fellow citizen to me.  I am broad minded about this though.  Don't care who you are by origin (Navajo, Hispanic, Anglo, Black).  And of course visitors should be protected (legal or not, the rule of hospitality demands it).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 06:17:44 PM
"Gov. Abbot Orders Texas State Troopers To Enforce Quarantine At Louisiana Border" ... another closed internal border.  Papers please?

"Tent Hospital Erected In Central Park As Hospital Ship Arrives In New York City" ... Go Navy.  The Tents are being set up by the Billy Graham association.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2020, 06:54:50 PM
New deaths now …

#1 New York .. NYC?
#2 Michigan .. Detroit?
#3 New Jersey .. Newark?
#4 Louisiana .. New Orleans?

Total deaths now …

#1 New York (by a huge amount aka large total population)
#2 Washington state (legacy of early exposure?)
#3 New Jersey
#4 Louisiana
#5 Michigan
#6 California

Cleaner life leads to lesser pandemic ... that and less big cities.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on March 30, 2020, 07:29:29 PM
Meanwhile, even Florida has limits to how much stupid they can tolerate: Florida megachurch pastor (and all around kook) arrested for ignoring a stay-at-home order and unlawful assembly (https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/03/30/tampa-church-holds-packed-service-draws-warning-from-sheriffs-office/) for holding two regular services in front of a full congregations (and for which he had provided buses so his sheep could gather to the slaughter).

He also thinks that COVID-19 is a Chinese plot hatched at a Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation meeting... so yeah, Florida Man, with distinction.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 30, 2020, 09:42:32 PM
something I don't think a lot of people are realizing, is just how the structure of so much retail and trade and industry will be effected by this in the long run. We want to believe that once the virus is under control and we can go back outside again, that we can go back to doing what we use to, go to the cinema, go to the gym, go to a coffee shop, go to the theatre.

But reality isn't so kind. Every day we're seeing people being laid off, because as customers aren't buying or spending money in these places, no money is coming in to pay employees wages, who are themselves at home. Many companies are so laying them off, rather then paying them from what would become an increased debt for the company it can't handle.

So when this is over and we can come outside again, if any of these stores and establishments survive, it will be needing to hire on new staff to make up for all the ones laid off. So even then, it will take months to get things back in order. The world simply doesn't hold still even when we can't go anywhere.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on March 30, 2020, 11:26:10 PM
something I don't think a lot of people are realizing, is just how the structure of so much retail and trade and industry will be effected by this in the long run. We want to believe that once the virus is under control and we can go back outside again, that we can go back to doing what we use to, go to the cinema, go to the gym, go to a coffee shop, go to the theatre.

But reality isn't so kind. Every day we're seeing people being laid off, because as customers aren't buying or spending money in these places, no money is coming in to pay employees wages, who are themselves at home. Many companies are so laying them off, rather then paying them from what would become an increased debt for the company it can't handle.

So when this is over and we can come outside again, if any of these stores and establishments survive, it will be needing to hire on new staff to make up for all the ones laid off. So even then, it will take months to get things back in order. The world simply doesn't hold still even when we can't go anywhere.
I think you are being too kind, Munch.  It will not take months to get back to normal.  This will go on for far longer than anybody wants to admit.  And the economical effects will take years to recover from and the new normal will not look like the old normal.  What we think of as normal ended 3 weeks ago.  What the new normal will be is still a distance into the future.  The transition will not be pretty or fun.  I am becoming more and more sure that I am glad I am old--whatever the future holds, I will not have to endure it for long.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 01:37:52 AM
something I don't think a lot of people are realizing, is just how the structure of so much retail and trade and industry will be effected by this in the long run. We want to believe that once the virus is under control and we can go back outside again, that we can go back to doing what we use to, go to the cinema, go to the gym, go to a coffee shop, go to the theatre.

But reality isn't so kind. Every day we're seeing people being laid off, because as customers aren't buying or spending money in these places, no money is coming in to pay employees wages, who are themselves at home. Many companies are so laying them off, rather then paying them from what would become an increased debt for the company it can't handle.

So when this is over and we can come outside again, if any of these stores and establishments survive, it will be needing to hire on new staff to make up for all the ones laid off. So even then, it will take months to get things back in order. The world simply doesn't hold still even when we can't go anywhere.

Starting with video games around 1980 ... young people were taught that there are "cheats" and "infinite lives" that allow you to get around obstacles.  Real live isn't like that.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 01:39:02 AM
I think you are being too kind, Munch.  It will not take months to get back to normal.  This will go on for far longer than anybody wants to admit.  And the economical effects will take years to recover from and the new normal will not look like the old normal.  What we think of as normal ended 3 weeks ago.  What the new normal will be is still a distance into the future.  The transition will not be pretty or fun.  I am becoming more and more sure that I am glad I am old--whatever the future holds, I will not have to endure it for long.

i look forward to killing the status quo.  Do you know where that boring asshole lives? ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 31, 2020, 08:27:29 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAGiyTq5A4w

It's already starting, it's not just on sites like Ebay where people are price gouging items, its chains themselves due to suppliers increased costs
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on March 31, 2020, 09:18:25 AM
I took a drive yesterday.  It's a real Twilight Zone feel.  Some stores are still open, ones that I'm not sure why.  Most non essentials seem in compliance.  But it's not like anything I have seen before.  Some business will undoubtedly go bankrupt.  I don't think the bailout can restore all the damage that will happen, and of course it will include exceptions and typical government fiddling to make sure the money is not distributed fairly.  I expect a big money grab, because there's going to be a lot of money on the table, and greedy people are going to figure out how to get their hands on it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 09:43:06 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j

Jiggering just one end of the supply chain, doesn't manage things.  It is too complex for a democratic government to micromanage, or a communist one either.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
How to spend two trillion in two weeks?

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-anatomy-of-the-2-trillion-covid-19-stimulus-bill/

Not counting the four trillion temporary credit relief for the finance/banking sector done earlier.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 09:50:34 AM
Non-US Covid News:

"Chinese Biological Experiments To Infect Humans With Coronavirus Exposed In 2015 By Italian State Media" ... and UK, US and Russia.

""This Could Turn Violent" - Italian Officials Fear South Turning Into A Powder Keg" ... wait until you see millions of starving (armed) Americans.

"UK Drug Dealer: People Are "Panic-Buying" Cocaine And Weed To Cope With COVID-19 Lockdown" ... y'all can't even hop over to Amsterdam or Lisbon?

"How "Progressive" Ideology Led To COVID-19 Catastrophe In Spain" ... like "hug a Chinese person" in Italy?

"China Shuts Down All Cinemas, As Scientists Fear Second Coronavirus Wave" ... told you so ;-(

"Sweden's Approach To Coronavirus: Do Nothing" ... just like they did with their immigrant crisis?

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 09:53:13 AM
US Covid News:

"Execs Scramble To Buy Spyware To Keep Tabs On 'Locked-Down' Employees" ... this was true at your normal place of work

"Hydroxychloroquine Prescriptions Triple Overnight Following FDA Approval" ... Orange Man Bad?

"Retailers Prepare For Civil Unrest; Boarded-Up Stores Seen From SoHo To Beverly Hills" ... oh the agony, will nobody save the Valley Girls?

"Pentagon Confirms Over 1,000 COVID-19 Cases Among Military, Orders Bases To Stop Public Reporting" ... I have friends in the middle of this.  Sure, young people are not in any danger!

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 10:18:29 AM
Media News:

"CBS NEWS RECYCLES ITALIAN HOSPITAL FOOTAGE, PRETENDS IT'S FROM NYC" ... the Italian style coffins in the makeshift morgue was a giveaway.

Walter Cronkite and Eric Sevareid roll in their graves.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on March 31, 2020, 05:24:54 PM
Today we had the first COVID-19 death in the hospital where I work. Yesterday there were 5 COVID patients in the hospital and today there are 12 with 11 intubated. Here we go.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 31, 2020, 06:17:33 PM
Today we had the first COVID-19 death in the hospital where I work. Yesterday there were 5 COVID patients in the hospital and today there are 12 with 11 intubated. Here we go.

Stay safe! Your doing an amazing job.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 31, 2020, 08:42:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbO-4KJQQDA

Jessica Meir talks about life on the international space station, and at one point gives some real perspective on what its like, hearing about the corona virus on earth below them.
It gives an interesting perspective, they are all up their in confined quarters on the space station, needing to follow routines and regulations to remain sane and active, they can't go outside, but they manage to do their job and keep themselves held together.

If people floating hundreds of miles above earth can maintain themselves and keep themselves going though routine, helped by technology, then what excuse to people down on earth have to keep themselves from going outside unless really needing to?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 08:44:00 PM
Today we had the first COVID-19 death in the hospital where I work. Yesterday there were 5 COVID patients in the hospital and today there are 12 with 11 intubated. Here we go.

Hang in there (positive) and your patients will do the best.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 08:46:30 PM
Careless handling of infectious diseases, at least ...

https://news.yahoo.com/suspected-sars-virus-and-flu-found-in-luggage-fbi-report-describes-chinas-biosecurity-risk-144526820.html

Doctors in the US were doing this with anthrax samples in 2001.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 08:49:08 PM
How is Covid actually moving and mutating?

https://nextstrain.org/ncov

Hence ...

China Starts Publishing Data On "Asymptomatic" Cases As Fears Of 'Second Wave' Grow
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on March 31, 2020, 08:51:05 PM
"Supplies Are Starting To Get Really Tight Nationwide As Food Distribution Systems Break Down" ... in the US.  What if most truckers get sick?  When most food gets to your grocery store by truck?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 31, 2020, 09:32:57 PM
"Supplies Are Starting To Get Really Tight Nationwide As Food Distribution Systems Break Down" ... in the US.  What if most truckers get sick?  When most food gets to your grocery store by truck?

I read somewhere whats happening in amazon warehouses is putting more stress on the underpaid and mistreated workers more then any other time in the companies history.

First time I kinda wish robots had been advanced enough to carry out all these tasks. Least managers don't demean and underpay robots.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 31, 2020, 09:43:54 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/households-are-warned-to-prepare-for-blackouts-by-keeping-torches-and-warm-clothes-nearby-as-energy-firms-battle-to-keep-the-lights-on-during-coronavirus-crisis/ar-BB11X4zj?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Could be facing power outages here due to lack of staff in power plants operating and maintaining things.

I got candles, matches, and a power bank for my phone at the ready. thing I'm most worried about is the fridge and all the stuff stocked up in there.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 31, 2020, 09:46:49 PM
In lighter news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamos/2020/03/30/texas-cinemas-drive-in-is-a-blockbuster-opening-weekend-hit/

Interesting in a time like this, the drive in theater would become popular again. Long as people stay in their cars.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on March 31, 2020, 09:50:33 PM
Also, a 101 year old woman recovered from the virus, even with having breathing difficulties.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-centen-idUSKBN21I2U1

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 01, 2020, 12:21:36 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/households-are-warned-to-prepare-for-blackouts-by-keeping-torches-and-warm-clothes-nearby-as-energy-firms-battle-to-keep-the-lights-on-during-coronavirus-crisis/ar-BB11X4zj?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Could be facing power outages here due to lack of staff in power plants operating and maintaining things.

I got candles, matches, and a power bank for my phone at the ready. thing I'm most worried about is the fridge and all the stuff stocked up in there.

In the long run, given how everything in modern life is connected to everything else, at some point the failure to fix something, has domino effects.  We can hope that things won't get that bad.  We can hope that the front line, the medical workers, don't collapse from co-infection.

I am not a survivalist, never REALLY think things will ever get that bad in my lifetime (yeah, just nuclear apocalypse).  I have moved from having one week of supplies, to having two weeks of supplies, given that the shutdown has been extended, and so the risk of breakdown is increased.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 01, 2020, 12:22:58 AM
In lighter news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamos/2020/03/30/texas-cinemas-drive-in-is-a-blockbuster-opening-weekend-hit/

Interesting in a time like this, the drive in theater would become popular again. Long as people stay in their cars.

That takes me back .. to the 70s.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 01, 2020, 12:23:41 AM
Also, a 101 year old woman recovered from the virus, even with having breathing difficulties.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-netherlands-centen-idUSKBN21I2U1

Some people are "Built Ford Tough" (pickup advert).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 01, 2020, 04:48:38 AM
I was just thinking about this, and just saw it trending on Twitter (but in Florida instead of Texas)...

About 15 people I know have been applying for unemployment for over a week and a half, with no luck. The servers keep crashing, it won't accept information, etc. etc. . Apparently Florida is having the same issues, and my guess is that many states are going through the same.

The number of people who filed for unemployment a week ago, the "shockingly low number" that comforted investors but was still the largest in American history is an outright lie and I don't know how investors fell for it. It's not that only 3.3 million or whatever the number was applied for unemployment last week, it's that only 3.3 million were able to actually get the service to work or met the incredibly stringent requirements designed to fuck over the unemployed.

That number seemed incredibly low and it now should become more and more obvious why.

If they don't get this fixed and this goes on for too much longer... the more like tens of millions, probably closer to a hundred million+ Americans who are currently indefinitely out of work start to grow more and more desperate for food and who cant make the payments on their houses, utilities, cars... they will become much harder to ccontrol.

"Quand les pauvres n'auront plus rien à manger, ils mangeront les riches!"
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 01, 2020, 08:15:03 AM
Today we had the first COVID-19 death in the hospital where I work. Yesterday there were 5 COVID patients in the hospital and today there are 12 with 11 intubated. Here we go.
You are the only hospital person I know.  I'd like it if you kept us updated, since you are kind of close by.  My county does not yet have an identified COVID case, but I'm guessing there is some around.

I called my ex in Montana last night because of the earthquake in Idaho.  She didn't feel it, but she said that she and four other friends of hers have been battling a severe flu like sickness that lasts for about two weeks.  The symptoms sound like COVID (dry cough and fever), but she and her friends have all tested negative.  So now there's this other thing afoot.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 01, 2020, 12:48:21 PM
I was just thinking about this, and just saw it trending on Twitter (but in Florida instead of Texas)...

About 15 people I know have been applying for unemployment for over a week and a half, with no luck. The servers keep crashing, it won't accept information, etc. etc. . Apparently Florida is having the same issues, and my guess is that many states are going through the same.

The number of people who filed for unemployment a week ago, the "shockingly low number" that comforted investors but was still the largest in American history is an outright lie and I don't know how investors fell for it. It's not that only 3.3 million or whatever the number was applied for unemployment last week, it's that only 3.3 million were able to actually get the service to work or met the incredibly stringent requirements designed to fuck over the unemployed.

That number seemed incredibly low and it now should become more and more obvious why.

If they don't get this fixed and this goes on for too much longer... the more like tens of millions, probably closer to a hundred million+ Americans who are currently indefinitely out of work start to grow more and more desperate for food and who cant make the payments on their houses, utilities, cars... they will become much harder to ccontrol.

"Quand les pauvres n'auront plus rien à manger, ils mangeront les riches!"

You follow Twitter?  That explains everything about you ;-)

Yes, if the lockdown spreads and continues, we will have 80% unemployment.  For some people, this is a cause for celebration (low paid workers are losers anyway, right?).  We socially judge people as success (wealthy) and as failures (poor).  This judgement is our undoing.  Identity politics is just inverted bigotry.  Got Wakanda?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 01, 2020, 12:54:01 PM
Non-US Covid News:

"Putin Self-Isolates After Shaking Hands With Infected Doctor At Moscow Hospital" .. should have kept that hazmat suit on!

"Russia Sends "Very, Very Large Planeload" Of Masks, Medical Equipment To US" ... China and Russia have helped Italy (though Chinese masks are crap).  Those two "enemies" are the only two countries trying to help other countries (for evil intent of course).

"UN Warns COVID-19 Outbreak Is "Most Challenging Crisis Since WWII" As Germany Extends Lockdown to April 19" ... UN is so helpful now.

"Spanish Government Being Sued For Encouraging Mass Gatherings Right As COVID-19 Hit" ... women's day parade etc.

"'Relax, Eat Out & Shop': China In Desperate Bid To Jump-Start Paralyzed Consumer Economy" ... dealing with second/third wave of Covid will hurt

"UK pubs hatch plan to become grocers" ... individual initiative.  The French are still looking for the forms to fill out ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 01, 2020, 12:58:48 PM
US Covid News:

""It's Hard To Envision That": Biden Doubts Democratic National Convention Will Go Forward As Planned" ... yes, back to smoke filled rooms.  Screw the primary voters.

"It's Happening: Oil Producers Are Now Paying Clients As Wyoming Sour Price Turns Negative" ... Covid is driving the economy down, which drives oil consumption down (in an already weak market).  Oil producers (Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Russia, US are in an old fashioned price war ... remember when there were 4 gas stations at one intersection, and they started to bid down the price of petrol?).  Wyoming Sour is oil sludge used to tar roadways.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 01, 2020, 03:25:08 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUWlWoYXkAAZ-rv?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 01, 2020, 05:08:50 PM
I chatted with a friend who works as a librarian/technology resource specialist for a rural public school. She explained the nightmare of trying to continue elementary students' education online. She is in the process of finding, programming and sterilizing used Chromebooks for kids to use at home. Then there is the problem that some of these families do not have internet access. Spectrum Cable said they would offer free internet but that is only to customers who already have cable. The school is extending wifi coverage into the school parking lot so kids can sit in their parent's cars and do schoolwork. She said some of the parents are not at all tech-savvy and she is having to talk them through the process. She said everyone is frustrated, especially since no one has any idea when students will be able to return to the classroom.

Another friend is still working and has arranged for someone to watch her second-grader during the day. She said there are evenings when she comes home and just completes her daughter's online assignments because she doesn't have time to work all day and teach school. It's a challenge for everyone involved.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 01, 2020, 06:38:50 PM
So, while I do still work from home, I do have like Two to three hours of free time more every day now...

I could be using that to write stories or poems...

What I use it for is magic the gathering arena.

So much for my delusions of 'if only I had the time'.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 01, 2020, 06:51:11 PM
I could be using that to write stories or poems...

What I use it for is magic the gathering arena.
A worthy cause, imo.  MTG is great entertainment.

Don't beat yourself up over using free time for leisure, especially during times like these.   Any respite is welcome, drawing a Respite is better still.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 01, 2020, 08:10:52 PM
Just finished take out from Carabas. It was weird because the restaurant is at one of the local malls and the parking lot was practically deserted. 13 cars including me and two other people picking up food. One of the others was a cop. I assume the rest were restaurant employees. I asked if they were getting enough business to keep the doors open. He was doubtful.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 01, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
A worthy cause, imo.  MTG is great entertainment.

Don't beat yourself up over using free time for leisure, especially during times like these.   Any respite is welcome, drawing a Respite is better still.

agreed. In times like this, stress levels will be high in many people, so just doing whatever you enjoy, whatever helps you escape from the pressures of real life right now is a big benefit.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 02, 2020, 12:55:28 AM
Why COVID-19 is not like the flu.

https://youtu.be/FVIGhz3uwuQ
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 02, 2020, 02:13:52 AM
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3078070/americas-super-rich-flee-coronavirus-threat-us

Quote
Wealthy people are buying out entire hotels as they flee major cities for more secluded suburban areas, CNN Travel reports.

Renting out suites, hotels, and holiday homes in remote areas is the latest way wealthy people are trying to skirt the threat of the coronavirus.
Billionaires are chartering superyachts to escape from the outbreak (though not without backlash), while private plane use has seen a spike even as commercial air travel tumbles.

Some wealthy people have started renting hotel rooms, inn lodgings, and resort suits, as they flee major cities to less densely populated areas, CNN Travel reports. But the even more affluent are taking it a step further and reserving entire properties for themselves.

Blantyre Country Resort, a luxury country house hotel in the Berkshires that typically opens in May, is making itself available now to those seeking to reserve the entire property for a small group or a single family. The cost of a buyout? US$38,000 a day.

I know this is nothing new, but will the working class ever learn that the rich are their only true enemy and rise up against them? Find out next time on, "Why the Fuck is this Still a Thing?".
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 02, 2020, 08:16:00 AM
Why COVID-19 is not like the flu.

https://youtu.be/FVIGhz3uwuQ

My mum cut out an article from her fav newspaper a few weeks ago saying how covid19 isn't as bad as the flu which has killed more people.
I don't have the heart to tell her how fucked up such a claim is today, or even was a few weeks ago, when we had no research into this virus and flu is seasonal and has a vaccine for it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 02, 2020, 08:25:29 AM
Man derails train in attempt to ram the USNS Mercy, the medical ship that just pulled into LA harbour to house non-Covid 19 patients and try to relieve the stress on the local hospitals, because he believes it was actually there to begin a government takeover.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/engineer-allegedly-crash-train-usns-mercy-los-angeles/story?id=69926172
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 02, 2020, 09:30:25 AM
Man derails train in attempt to ram the USNS Mercy, the medical ship that just pulled into LA harbour to house non-Covid 19 patients and try to relieve the stress on the local hospitals, because he believes it was actually there to begin a government takeover.
Great!  Let's throw a little more crazy into the crisis.  Teams of Navy medical personnel are poised to take over the government, and will institute a new nation to be ruled over by Medical Law.  It's the end of democracy as we know it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 02, 2020, 09:48:07 AM
Why not use the Naval Base in San Diego just a few miles to the south?  They could attack LA with bombers, fighter jets, and submarines.  There's enough firepower there do the takeover in just a few minutes.  Those navy guys are just sitting around waiting.  This whole thing could be over by 3:00 PM this afternoon.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3078070/americas-super-rich-flee-coronavirus-threat-us

I know this is nothing new, but will the working class ever learn that the rich are their only true enemy and rise up against them? Find out next time on, "Why the Fuck is this Still a Thing?".

And we replace one upper class with a new upper class (ie China) ... when will revolutionaries learn that revolution produces lots of dead bodies and never solves the fundamental problem of humanity ... humans.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 10:30:03 AM
Why not use the Naval Base in San Diego just a few miles to the south?  They could attack LA with bombers, fighter jets, and submarines.  There's enough firepower there do the takeover in just a few minutes.  Those navy guys are just sitting around waiting.  This whole thing could be over by 3:00 PM this afternoon.

John Belushi movie .. 1941.  Yellow Peril!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 10:32:42 AM
"Riots Erupt In Israel As Police Enforce COVID-19 Quarantine, Synagogues Shuttered" ... Orthodox Jews are upset, same as other Fundies.

"Michigan Democrat Governor Begs Feds For Hydroxychloroquine Just Days After Threatening Doctors For Prescribing It" ... politicians aren't doctors.

"China Reports Surge In Divorces As Marriages Crumbled Under Lockdown, Dashing Hopes For 'Baby Boom'" ... not just economic fallout.

"Domestic Abuse Calls Soar As Nationwide Lockdown Extends" ... in the US.  Some things are the same E or W.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 02, 2020, 11:41:30 AM
"China Reports Surge In Divorces As Marriages Crumbled Under Lockdown, Dashing Hopes For 'Baby Boom'" ... not just economic fallout.

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/70/1d/8e/701d8e3a7784b75aea07c7c79c60a58e.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 12:41:33 PM
Cyprus has the greatest lockdown.  You get a license, no more than once a day, to leave your home, and have to put down why, to get the license.  And the Cypriot police are required to make random house checks, and can get a warrant in 30 mins if you don't cooperate ... to check if you are following their government diktat ;-(  Is this worse than Hungary?

In Greece, the government is paralyzed.  They are doing no testing, nothing to bolster the health system.  So where did all the money put into the system go to?  Greece and Cyprus etc ... the government put the health funds into non-health expenditures, that is why their health systems are under-supplied.  Government corruption has negative consequences.

"AGENDA 21 United Nations plan for World Government" ... maybe real for UN, EU & globalists.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 02, 2020, 12:50:08 PM
(https://i.redd.it/brjf3ozfwbq41.jpg)

See?  We're doing great.  Nevermind, I looked at Japan's curve by mistake.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 01:32:59 PM
Different nations, with inaccurate statistics (total cases/new cases are total BS, because accuracy requires daily testing of whole population).  In effect these are statistical estimates with a non-scientific bias (not political, just not professional random sample).  The total death/new death statistics are better (why I have put emphasis on these).  However there is bias in these, that varies from country to country also.  There is "death with Covid" and "death from Covid" ... and there are biases (see China) on even reporting these.

Of course the infection is significant, the mortality is considerable ... but so is regular flu.  Also old people are supposed to die, of something, in the near future.  The new 15 minute antibody test will clarify who should head to the hospital (has symptoms but is it Covid) and who has already had non-symptomatic Covid (with professional random sample testing to get a good estimate aka at least 10,000 samples).

Italy and Spain are similar, as are Netherlands/Belgium/Germany (on deaths per million).  Switzerland is more like France.  In what way are these similar to China (true stats) or the US?  But of course the ultimate infection is 1/2 of the population, which might already be true, but will be true later this year.  So similar political-economies do match up, otherwise this is apples vs oranges.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on April 02, 2020, 02:52:41 PM
People don't report because lack of tests, propaganda, poor, or simply because their idiots
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 02:52:54 PM
"Tasmania bans garage sales and sex work under new coronavirus restrictions" ... those Tasmanian devils ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 02, 2020, 06:28:26 PM
The fascists are at it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL3yGbYoxhA

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 07:56:37 PM
The fascists are at it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL3yGbYoxhA

Justified?

"Fauci Says Lockdown Will Continue Until There Are No "New Cases" Of COVID-19" ... won't happen until after 80% of us (lockdown) are dead.  Since the disease is a-symptomatic, unless you have continuous testing of the whole population, you can't prove "no new cases".
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 08:02:28 PM
"COVID-19 Is Now The Third Leading Cause Of Death In The United States" ... heart disease and cancer are still higher.  But Covid might take #1 in April.  So definitely not your grandmother's flu.

US Navy Captain .. in charge of aircraft carrier Teddy Roosevelt, has been removed from command, for letting his internal complaint go public.  If the majority of our military become disabled, then this is WW III.

"Instead Of Firing Everyone, Boeing Offers "Voluntary Buyouts" To Its Entire Workforce Of 161,000" ... but who can risk buy-out until the economy is back to normal?

"Federal Prison System Goes Into Lockdown Mode To Prevent Virus Outbreak" ... not going to let most out of jail, like Iran, on their own recognizance?

"Robert Kraft Ferries Nearly 2 Million N95 Masks Back To US On Patriots' Private Jet" ... actually virtuous, not vacuous.

"Democrats Rage As Google Bans Ads From Trump's COVID-19-Critics" ... Google CIA factions vs CNN CIA factions (not covering Presidential Covid update).

"DNC Postpones Presidential Convention Until August 17" ... British local elections cancelled until next year.  Why not this?

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 10:02:22 PM
The Real Ghostbusters ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyP3XkzYbKE
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 02, 2020, 10:14:02 PM
Post apocalypse in Wales already ...

"Wild goats take over Welsh town Llandudno as coronavirus lockdown leaves streets empty" ... not exactly Omega Man, is it?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on April 03, 2020, 10:49:28 AM
The fascists are at it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL3yGbYoxhA


Haaaaaaaaaaaaate people.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 03, 2020, 12:25:33 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52146989

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Coronavirus: North Korea claims to be 'totally free' of virus

North Korea's claim that "not a single person" in the country has been infected with the coronavirus is facing growing scepticism.

It has credited strict containment measures and the shutting down of its borders for this success.

But the top US military commander in South Korea has said this is "untrue", calling it an "impossible claim".

A North Korean expert told the BBC it was likely there were cases but unlikely a mass outbreak had happened.

There are currently more than one million coronavirus cases across the world and 53,069 deaths, according to a Johns Hopkins University tally.

Pak Myong-su, a director at North Korea's Central Emergency Anti-epidemic headquarters, told news agency AFP on Friday: "Not one single person has been infected with the novel coronavirus in our country so far."

"We have carried out pre-emptive and scientific measures such as inspections and quarantine for all personnel entering our country and thoroughly disinfecting all goods, as well as closing borders and blocking sea and air lanes."

Could this be true?
US General Robert Abrams, head of the US military forces in South Korea, has said it is untrue that North Korea has no virus cases.

"I can tell you that is an impossible claim based on all of the intel that we have seen," he said in a joint interview with news sites CNN and VOA.

However, he said he could not say exactly how many cases there were, not confirm where the information came from.

Oliver Hotham, managing editor of specialist news site NK News, agreed that North Korea has probably had cases.

"It's very unlikely that it has seen no cases because it borders China and South Korea. [Especially with China], given the amount of cross border trade and the economic relationship I really don't see how its possible they could have prevented it," he said.

However, he adds that it is "unlikely" there is a full scale outbreak.

"They really did take precautions early. I think it's possible they've prevented a full on outbreak."

How has North Korea reacted to the crisis?
North Korea has indeed moved much more quickly against the virus than many other countries in the region.

In late January, it sealed off its borders and later quarantined hundreds of foreigners in the capital Pyongyang. During that time, the number of cases in China were growing exponentially.

An NK News report also suggests that up to 10,000 citizens had been placed under isolation in the country - around 500 still remain in quarantine.

Are those in North Korea even aware of the virus?
Most people in North Korea are "really aware" of what's going on, says Mr Hotham.

"There's been so much media coverage. Almost every day you have a whole page about the efforts the country is taking domestically and also the international situation," he told the BBC.

Fyodor Tertitskiy, a senior researcher at Kookmin University, also adds the country is currently running an "ongoing propaganda campaign teaching people how to prevent the spread of the virus".

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/1d5df51e0036fd30e2485bcef3b35092/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 03, 2020, 01:37:18 PM
If you dismiss all the neo-Nazis and neo-Stalinists ... is anyone left in the room?  Think you are doing good things?  Hitler and Stalin thought they were virtuous (secular Puritans).  They were the most effective SJWs.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 03, 2020, 02:34:34 PM
"‘Put Your Bins Out In Your Ball Gown’: Group aims spread some ‘silliness and fun’" ... mad dogs and Englishmen go out ... in their best ball gowns ;-)  Sorry, I need to dry-clean mine first, and everything is closed down ;-))
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 03, 2020, 02:58:04 PM
"EU Commission head, Ursula von der Leyen, has apologized to Italy for the disastrous response to the Covid-19 pandemic." ... words are cheap.  They tried to offer 100 billion Euros for all of the EU, as a bailout.  That won't even bail out Italy by itself.  The purpose of the EU is for N Europe to suck the blood of S Europe, and the reason for expanding the EU to the east, was for W Europe to suck the blood of E Europe.  Why Brexit?  GB wasn't getting their cut of the S Europe/E Europe blood bank.  All the blood goes to Dracula Paris and Wolfman Berlin.

Bonsoir?

keine silbernen Kugeln?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 03, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
"Small Texas City Fines Residents $1,000 For Not Wearing Masks Amid Outbreak" ... continuation of the local tradition of high traffic fines on passers by with tricky traffic signs.  This is how small towns fund themselves in the US.

"CDC Officially Recommends Americans Wear Face Masks In Public" ... but Amazon won't sell them to the public anymore, just medics.  My daughter will be using a scarf.

"Norway has the world's largest sovereign wealth fund, but no gold reserves. Sold it all in 2004!" ... oops.  GB nearly did this under Gordon Brown, they sold most of their barbarous relic.  To who?  Russia and China.  Good thing a Ferengi sold me some cold-pressed latinum.

""Pandemic Drones" Can Now Detect Fever and Coughing" ... US has better totalitarian technology than China

"Google Publishing Location Data To Monitor Social Distancing" ... bad if a corporation, evil since they are part of the CIA.  This is why you must all be chipped, and have dog-collar punishment devices if you stray past your yard.

Still not convinced that Dr Fauci isn't part of a doomsday cult.  Dr Evil?


Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2020, 12:50:23 AM
"For this reason, strategically, it was critical for the Communist Party of China (CPC) to ensure that US Pres. Donald Trump was not re-elected to the US Presidency on November 3, 2020, and that the Democratic Party in the US would strengthen its position in the US Congress.”" ... is Covid biggest false-flag yet?  Is China and the US cooperating to implement dictatorship?

"Delaware State Police Authorized To Pull Over Out-Of-State Drivers During Pandemic" ... Papers please ...

"Wuhan Residents Believe COVID-19 Is 100 Times Worse Than Chinese Government Says, Report" ... hard to say who is right

"Duterte Orders Philippine Police To Shoot Dead Virus-Lockdown Violators" ... we already knew that Duterte (Philippines) was a dictator.

"Congress Proposes 50% Tax On Guns & Ammo In The US"... I only need one bullet?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 04, 2020, 03:22:15 AM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/alarm-coronavirus-curbs-disrupt-east-africa-fight-locusts-200403173558211.html

Long story short: Locust are a major problem in East Africa thanks to global warming changing environmental patterns, and the pesticides used to keep them in check has been delayed because of the virus... threatening all of the region's food crop.

All the while the rich are fortifying themselves more and more and bunkering down while the working men and women are forced to expose themselves to the virus just to survive. If that wasn't bad enough, they moan about just how rough their lives are now in their yachts and mansions while people are losing everything they own and being turned away from medical care because they lack insurance.

Eat the rich.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 04, 2020, 10:40:27 AM
Military warned of Coronavirus threat in 2017, White House did nothing (https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-military-shortage-pandemic/)

Quote
In addition to anticipating the coronavirus pandemic, the military plan predicted with uncanny accuracy many of the medical supply shortages that it now appears will soon cause untold deaths.

The plan states: “Competition for, and scarcity of resources will include…non-pharmaceutical MCM [Medical Countermeasures] (e.g., ventilators, devices, personal protective equipment such as face masks and gloves), medical equipment, and logistical support. This will have a significant impact on the availability of the global workforce.”
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2020, 11:01:51 AM
Agenda 21/2030? ... why were countries under-prepared?  The planet can only sustain one billion people at pre-industrial levels.  Per Club of Rome, this must happen by 2050.  Are we 30 years early?  Why did Bill Gates patent one strain of the coronavirus?

"China Floods Europe With Defective COVID-19-Fighting Medical Equipment" .. China is making a killing.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2020, 11:45:55 AM
"Finns Warned World's Best-Funded Welfare State Collapsing Under Virus-Triggered Mass Unemployment" ... socialism works until you run out of other people's money.

"China Floods Europe With Defective COVID-19-Fighting Medical Equipment" ... just like Chinese dog food a few years ago.

Top Ten Covid Total Deaths:

Italy
Spain
USA
France
UK
Iran
China
Netherlands
Germany
Belgium

Not that the statistics even for Total Deaths is reliable, since different countries have different standards.  And China and Iran are lying shitholes.  So far, basically the EU and the US are victims.

Best visual joke on this on the Internet: "We All Live In A Yellow Quarantine" ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 04, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
Military warned of Coronavirus threat in 2017, White House did nothing (https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/covid-military-shortage-pandemic/)
One thing I've noticed for years about our political system is that it seldom deals with the long term.  It reacts quickly in the short term when faced with crisis, even if it's only imagined.  And then if often reacts inappropriately.  Global warming is not yet seen as a crisis, because it happens slowly, but when all Hell breaks loose, our leaders will run around like they never saw it coming.  The banking crisis was ignored in favor of years of deregulation that allowed the banks to defraud the public.  Suddenly trillions of dollars of taxpayer's money was used to bail out the corrupt system, which is still corrupt. COVID-19 was ignored as just another flu season that only affected inept governments like China and Italy, until the virus showed up in the US like it was a big surprise, and now we have more cases than any other country, and the White House is just starting to understand it needs to do something.  We are asked to die for our country.  Yeah right.  Some response.  I'm actually surprised that Trump hasn't fired Dr. Fauci for being unnecessarily proactive.

Quote
Apparently Trump is already considering this
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-fauci.html

And here is Fauci's response:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUTqJAwXgAEULpX.jpg)

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
So, you are on board with Dr Death (Fauci)? ;-)

No, corporations only think 3 months in advance.  Governments don't think at all.

Trump needs to do something?  Like treat MSM like turds and Congress like hacks?

What is Biden doing?  Taking his geriatric medicine and taking naps.

"China joins UN Human Rights Council panel despite troubling record, response to coronavirus" ... recommends welding people into their apartments.

"Venezuela navy vessel sinks after 'ramming cruise ship'" ... Maduro's attempt to stop spread of virus.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on April 04, 2020, 12:48:20 PM
So, you are on board with Dr Death (Fauci)? ;-)

No, corporations only think 3 months in advance.  Governments don't think at all.

Trump needs to do something?  Like treat MSM like turds and Congress like hacks?

What is Biden doing?  Taking his geriatric medicine and taking naps.

"China joins UN Human Rights Council panel despite troubling record, response to coronavirus" ... recommends welding people into their apartments.

"Venezuela navy vessel sinks after 'ramming cruise ship'" ... Maduro's attempt to stop spread of virus.

What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2020, 02:39:44 PM
What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About.

I never quote CNN or MSNDC ... wonder why? ;-)

Glad that this won't really end in Civil War 2.0, Totalitarianism or Extinction.  But it is fun to think about it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 04, 2020, 02:51:32 PM
What. The. Fuck. Are. You. Talking. About.
Asking him that is like two sayings that pop into my mind---it's like pissing up a rope; or like pissing into the wind.  It serves no purpose, for he never knows what he talking about and even if he did, he will give you a straight answer.  And then he will come right back on you. 

Once upon a time there was a Baruch that was a reasoning human; now all we have is a sarcastic troll-like creature that posts here.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 04, 2020, 03:58:46 PM
It's early days, but researchers at Pitt have what looks like a promising candidate vaccine for COVID-19 (https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-shows-promise-first-peer-reviewed-research).  Here's hoping that stands up during further testing.  And why science is better than wishing on an invisible sky daddy -- science gets shit done.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2020, 04:17:12 PM
Asking him that is like two sayings that pop into my mind---it's like pissing up a rope; or like pissing into the wind.  It serves no purpose, for he never knows what he talking about and even if he did, he will give you a straight answer.  And then he will come right back on you. 

Once upon a time there was a Baruch that was a reasoning human; now all we have is a sarcastic troll-like creature that posts here.

You never answer any question.  Because you have no answers?

Dr Fauci ... no release from lockdown until there are no more infections.  That is what he said.  What does that mean to you?  Is your answer, just OMB?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2020, 04:18:13 PM
It's early days, but researchers at Pitt have what looks like a promising candidate vaccine for COVID-19 (https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-shows-promise-first-peer-reviewed-research).  Here's hoping that stands up during further testing.  And why science is better than wishing on an invisible sky daddy -- science gets shit done.

So does older medicine like HCQ, Zinc, Vit-C, Erythromycin.  But the Drug Cartel doesn't like generic meds.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on April 04, 2020, 04:45:51 PM
So does older medicine like HCQ, Zinc, Vit-C, Erythromycin.  But the Drug Cartel doesn't like generic meds.
Oh for fuck's sake.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 04, 2020, 05:22:01 PM
Some encouraging news today, in my county of Hampshire, the death toll has decreased and at the moment no new deaths have been reported as of yet. If that remains the case is another story.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 05, 2020, 12:34:02 AM
According to the nursing supervisor where I work, one of the coronavirus patients who is on a ventilator is a 30-year-old nurse who had no pre-existing medical conditions. Youth isn't immunity.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 05, 2020, 02:49:28 AM
For months, the media (and not just Fox but fuck me they took the lion's share of blame for this) told Americans that this was nothing to worry about, that it was just the flu, that it's a hoax. It's no wonder Americans didn't take it seriously; not just the average American but even far too many politicians get their information from the media.

Our blood is on their hands, and I hope against hope that they are tried when this is all over for recklessly endangering millions of Americans. The worst part is that isn't even hyperbole.


Every American who contracts this disease, every mother, father, son, daughter who dies... they are to blame.
Every nurse and doctor working ungodly shifts and putting not just their lives but their families as well at risk... they are to blame.
Every citizen who lacks access to medical care while they have spent years opposing anything "socialist" like affordable health services... they are to blame.
Every worker who has been paid scraps working 2-3 jobs while they screech on their yachts about how terrible raising the minimum wage would be, that unions are the servants of Satan... they are to blame.


Enough is enough. When this is all over I am planning on running for what ever local offices I can. If I could make it to Congress, amazing. If that doesn't work, I will be turning 30 this year and am eligible to run for governor. If not that, state senate, state congress, county commissioner, mayor, city council, whatever.


We are suffering because people want a comfy fucking chair, a shiny wooden desk and a lobbyist writing them a fat check. If no one else will do something about it, I will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 08:37:57 AM
Pandemic = collective responsibility ... nationally and individually.  Just like any communicable chronic disease.  Unfortunately not all are endemic, like seasonal flu.  Which, we will see by the end of the year, did or didn't kill more people than Covid.

Love the government responses (they don't have much choice actually) ...

Aging - cull the seniors
Annual flu - shut down world economy
Heart disease - shut down world economy
Cancer - shut down world economy
Alcohol abuse - establish world dictatorship
Tobacco abuse - establish world dictatorship
Drug abuse - establish world dictatorship

Better than ... Logan's Run (kill you on your 30th birthday).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 08:41:59 AM
"NYC IS PREPARING FOR CIVIL UNREST AS SUPPLIES DWINDLE, GOVERNMENT CALLS FOR CONSCRIPTION OF DOCTOR.." ... duh

"Mexico halts production of Corona beer" ... non-essential ... what, cervesa is non-essential?

"Half A Million Chinese People Entered America At The Height Of The COVID-19 Outbreak" ... China could have stopped this at their end, or we could have shut down travel from China earlier

"Tucker Carlson On Fauci's Quarantine Call: Pushing "National Suicide" While He Has Job Security" ... do talking heads have job security?

Just heard ... Al Gore not only got money from China for the 2000 election, but Bill Clinton did the same in 1996.  It is OK for the Yellow Peril to interfere in US elections, if it benefits Democrats.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 08:44:43 AM
Potential economic impact of Covid, based on actual final stats for 2019 ...

Nominal GDP 2019:

US - 21 t$
China - 9.2 t$
Japan - 5.2 t$
Germany - 4.2 t$
UK - 3.2 t$
India - 2.9 t$
France - 2.9 t$
Italy - 2.0 t$
Brazil - 2.0 t$
Canada -1.8 t$
Russia - 1.6 t$
S Korea - 1.6 t$
Spain - 1.4 t$
Australia - 1.4 t$
Mexico - 1.3 t$
Indonesia - 1.1 t$
Netherlands - 0.9 t$
Saudi Arabia - 0.8 t$
Turkey - 0.7 t$
Switzerland - 0.7 t$

Total = 65.9 t$

So a 1/3 decline is a loss of about 22 t$ ... I want Shiranu to pay that, thanks Shiranu ;-))
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on April 05, 2020, 01:11:56 PM
I fucking HATE People.

Despite warnings, churchgoers explain why they're still going to church services

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/04/ohio-church-service-covid-19-pandemic-tuchman-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 05, 2020, 01:20:57 PM
I fucking HATE People.

Despite warnings, churchgoers explain why they're still going to church services

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/04/ohio-church-service-covid-19-pandemic-tuchman-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn

Not just the Christians, there's reports of Muslims in Germany and France still trying to attend services en masse and nothings being done to stop them, gathered in groups outside mosques.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 05, 2020, 02:09:37 PM
i think we need to encourage the religious of all religions to meet in large groups and very frequently.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 05, 2020, 03:13:24 PM
I fucking HATE People.

Despite warnings, churchgoers explain why they're still going to church services

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/04/ohio-church-service-covid-19-pandemic-tuchman-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn

Exhibit A:

"I'm covered in Jesus' blood."

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1246816324363276295?s=09
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 05, 2020, 03:21:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmH36G1Xv8

Queen Elizabeth: *gives calming speech on the pandemic*

Also Queen Elizabeth: that reminds me of this one time in WWII...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 05, 2020, 04:24:07 PM
Meanwhile, on the home front:

Pro-lifers ignore quarantine to harass women, spread plague (https://www.wral.com/arrests-at-n-carolina-abortion-clinic-for-violating-order/19042773/)

Do viruses count as life?  Cause that's the only way this move makes any sense.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 04:48:23 PM
"Ankle-Monitors Ordered For Kentucky Residents As Crackdown On 'Covidiots' Begins" ... bet those are made in China ;-)

""No Hope": Canada's Nursing Homes Prepare For Mass Death" ... Canadian health care is just better?  Trudeau converts nursing homes to hospice.  One third of nursing home workers there are Covid infected.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on April 05, 2020, 04:48:32 PM
i think we need to encourage the religious of all religions to meet in large groups and very frequently.
We don't have to encourage them, they already are. If only they didn't endanger uninvolved people in the process. In my town, they're sending police to parties and fining everyone $1000. People are having parties.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 05, 2020, 04:50:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmH36G1Xv8

Queen Elizabeth: *gives calming speech on the pandemic*

Also Queen Elizabeth: that reminds me of this one time in WWII...

I think we can assume she meant as much as Britain got though WWII it will get through this thing too.

That said she didnt really say much that hasn't already been said. But there are a lot of elderly people right now in isolation, many who's family cant visit due to this, and for their generation hearing the queen speak might give then some comfort.

I'm here with my mum looking after her. The other day my brother and his wife brought my nephews round, but they all had to stand 4 meters away. It was heartbreaking because mum wanted to hug her grandchildren so badly, that she became withdrawn for the rest of the day.
So for her and those of her generation that grew up more or less in devotion to the queen (unlike millennials and zoomers), this helped her have some comfort
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 05, 2020, 04:53:27 PM
We don't have to encourage them, they already are. If only they didn't endanger uninvolved people in the process. In my town, they're sending police to parties and fining everyone $1000. People are having parties.
(https://preview.redd.it/5x6328gqh0r41.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=81bc458612b84e670bdf460dafbb4c92a8119a15)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 05, 2020, 04:57:03 PM
Conclusion, there are a lot of stupid fuckers out there
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 04:59:09 PM
Conclusion, there are a lot of stupid fuckers out there

Half the population is less than average, all the time ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 05, 2020, 05:25:12 PM
Boris has been brought into hospital now since his symptoms are progressing. They say it's for precautionary measures to watch him.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 06:02:54 PM
Boris has been brought into hospital now since his symptoms are progressing. They say it's for precautionary measures to watch him.

Queen gave a good special occasion speech, one of only 4 in 68 years.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 05, 2020, 06:31:28 PM
We don't have to encourage them, they already are. If only they didn't endanger uninvolved people in the process. In my town, they're sending police to parties and fining everyone $1000. People are having parties.
What part of the country do you live in???
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on April 05, 2020, 07:04:56 PM
What part of the country do you live in???
Michigan.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 05, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
I fucking HATE People.

Despite warnings, churchgoers explain why they're still going to church services

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/04/04/ohio-church-service-covid-19-pandemic-tuchman-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn
Oh hell, it's those idiots whose giant Jesus statue got hit by lightning and burned to the ground (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jun/16/touchdown-jesus-statue-burns-down) ten years ago.

#NotAllOhioans XD
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 05, 2020, 07:58:30 PM
Exhibit A:

"I'm covered in Jesus' blood."

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1246816324363276295?s=09
And that sounds even more unhealthy than gathering in groups... also, severely mentally ill.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 05, 2020, 07:59:09 PM
Michigan.
I guess stupidity does not abide state lines!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 05, 2020, 08:24:19 PM
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"I'm covered in Jesus' blood."
That doesn't bother me for the bullshit that it is, but there is something strange about a religion that is so steeped in blood.  Do people actually image what that would look and feel like if they were covered in blood, driving home in their car and dripping on the upholstery?  When I saw Stephen King's first Carrie film, where Carrie is caught in the head lights on a deserted road covered in blood, exhilarating and spiritual is not my first thought.  It was just plain repulsive and sick.

I guess back when the Bible was written, this may have been typical of societies, and it may have made sense to build a religion around what is today considered horror.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2020, 09:15:09 PM
That doesn't bother me for the bullshit that it is, but there is something strange about a religion that is so steeped in blood.  Do people actually image what that would look and feel like if they were covered in blood, driving home in their car and dripping on the upholstery?  When I saw Stephen King's first Carrie film, where Carrie is caught in the head lights on a deserted road covered in blood, exhilarating and spiritual is not my first thought.  It was just plain repulsive and sick.

I guess back when the Bible was written, this may have been typical of societies, and it may have made sense to build a religion around what is today considered horror.

Taurobolium ... this is a Roman practice, not Jewish ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2UJiZkLjs

Rome was a horror, the West is Rome.  Y'all reaction is pure Jewish.  Got yarmulke?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 05, 2020, 09:39:32 PM
Boris has been brought into hospital now since his symptoms are progressing. They say it's for precautionary measures to watch him.

I wish him the best and hope he recovers smoothly, but that doesn't sound promising. He doesn't strike me as being the healthiest man around.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 05, 2020, 09:57:19 PM
That doesn't bother me for the bullshit that it is, but there is something strange about a religion that is so steeped in blood.  Do people actually image what that would look and feel like if they were covered in blood, driving home in their car and dripping on the upholstery?  When I saw Stephen King's first Carrie film, where Carrie is caught in the head lights on a deserted road covered in blood, exhilarating and spiritual is not my first thought.  It was just plain repulsive and sick.

I guess back when the Bible was written, this may have been typical of societies, and it may have made sense to build a religion around what is today considered horror.

I agree. I've never related to the fascination and awe many people experience regarding the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. To my heathen mind, it just seems barbaric and disgusting. I remember going to a passion play growing up and feeling alienated by the tears, wails, and wonderment of the audience. To be honest, I don't understand exactly why sacrificing animals and people to deities is so common other than by people giving up something valued they demonstrate fealty to their god before the tribe. I suppose nothing demonstrates commitment like killing your child.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 05, 2020, 10:10:39 PM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/resized.images.us-east-1.tj.news/875356/desktop/flue_0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3jnLZSL.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 05, 2020, 10:14:38 PM
I agree. I've never related to the fascination and awe many people experience regarding the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. To my heathen mind, it just seems barbaric and disgusting. I remember going to a passion play growing up and feeling alienated by the tears, wails, and wonderment of the audience. To be honest, I don't understand exactly why sacrificing animals and people to deities is so common other than by people giving up something valued they demonstrate fealty to their god before the tribe. I suppose nothing demonstrates commitment like killing your child.

I feel that there needs to be more psychological studies made and classifications for the kind of mentality that mindlessly falls in line with prayer and following the made up stories by most religions. You can have many different types of people who follow a religion, the passive types, the aggressive types, the forceful types, the meek types, many just following a single minded concept that if they break out of they becomes psychologically unhinged.

As someone with OCD and often an introvert, I know what it means to come out of my comfort zone and how that makes me feel, however if I were like the woman in that video, I'd be telling everyone to back away from me all the time and washing my hands to the point of them bleeding and saying 'this is normal'. I don't of course and have worked to control my psychological ticks in order to be social and do things outside of my comfort zone.

I wonder if it comes down to there just being that type of person whos born dependent on being told what to think and feel, making them easy to manipulate. When you look at the mass of people in places like the vatican or mecca, people bowing to the words 1 person tells them to act like, it makes you think about the human condition overall, is it that kind of bestial primate instincts that they've just not evolve from yet? 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 05, 2020, 10:28:40 PM
I feel that there needs to be more psychological studies made and classifications for the kind of mentality that mindlessly falls in line with prayer and following the made up stories by most religions. You can have many different types of people who follow a religion, the passive types, the aggressive types, the forceful types, the meek types, many just following a single minded concept that if they break out of they becomes psychologically unhinged.

As someone with OCD and often an introvert, I know what it means to come out of my comfort zone and how that makes me feel, however if I were like the woman in that video, I'd be telling everyone to back away from me all the time and washing my hands to the point of them bleeding and saying 'this is normal'. I don't of course and have worked to control my psychological ticks in order to be social and do things outside of my comfort zone.

I wonder if it comes down to there just being that type of person whos born dependent on being told what to think and feel, making them easy to manipulate. When you look at the mass of people in places like the vatican or mecca, people bowing to the words 1 person tells them to act like, it makes you think about the human condition overall, is it that kind of bestial primate instincts that they've just not evolve from yet? 

I think there are many factors that go into why people believe the things they do. One factor that appears to make individuals susceptible to religious and political causes is feeling an emptiness, disconnection or intuitive sense that something is inherently wrong with oneself or the world. Groups of various natures (gangs, religions, military organizations, etc.) capitalize on that vulnerability. If a group is offering "purpose" that is a red flag.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 05, 2020, 10:59:20 PM
I think there are many factors that go into why people believe the things they do. One factor that appears to make individuals susceptible to religious and political causes is feeling an emptiness, disconnection or intuitive sense that something is inherently wrong with oneself or the world. Groups of various natures (gangs, religions, military organizations, etc.) capitalize on that vulnerability. If a group is offering "purpose" that is a red flag.

Nicely said. I don't follow groups anymore, since most I've been in has often lead to toxic interaction. Gay groups, gaming groups, fandoms, social groups, all of them I just gave up on because they attracted toxic people.
I'm just content with the people closet to me and a couple friends
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 05, 2020, 11:12:14 PM
Interesting.

If You Have Anxiety and Depression but Feel Better During Coronavirus, You’re Not Alone

https://www.thedailybeast.com/coronavirus-is-making-a-lot-of-people-anxious-and-depressed-but-some-sufferers-actually-feel-better-now

... Elizabeth Cohen, who has practiced psychology for 15 years with a specialty in anxiety, estimates that 20 percent of her clients have actually seen their symptoms alleviate in recent weeks. Roughly the same portion have seen their symptoms worsen, she says, while the remainder have seen little change. Elizabeth Visceglia, a psychiatrist who has practiced for 16 years (and, full disclosure, is the wife of our editor-in-chief Noah Shachtman), has not seen such a substantial number of her clients’ symptoms alleviate amid the outbreak—only one out of 20 she’d seen during the week of our interview fell into that category. But both offered several possible reasons that a person with a history of depression and anxiety might find some relief at a time like this.

A big part of anxiety, Cohen pointed out, is the anticipation of the unknown—worry about something bad that will inevitably happen. With the outbreak, she said, “a lot of people are saying, ‘The terrible thing happened.’ So in a lot of ways you’re not in the anticipating state.” ...

Visceglia offered another theory, regarding her own client who has seen his symptoms lift. “My sense was that finally everyone else has a taste of what his inner world has been like,” she said. Seeing his inner state mirrored by the outside world, Visceglia posits, helped shut down self-critical thought patterns and offered some relief.

“The part of us that's judging and comparing us to everything and everyone around us is so exhausting—and especially, I think, for people that are feeling disconnected,” Visceglia said. “That people are openly and actively struggling with loneliness and isolation... For someone that’s been feeling that in a crowd already, it can be kind of validating.” ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:30:23 AM
I agree. I've never related to the fascination and awe many people experience regarding the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. To my heathen mind, it just seems barbaric and disgusting. I remember going to a passion play growing up and feeling alienated by the tears, wails, and wonderment of the audience. To be honest, I don't understand exactly why sacrificing animals and people to deities is so common other than by people giving up something valued they demonstrate fealty to their god before the tribe. I suppose nothing demonstrates commitment like killing your child.

You are not a heathen, or you might practice not just taurobolium but human sacrifice.  You are a Puritan who has lost his faith?  A Puritan might find Howard Hughes need for cleanliness to be inadequate.  As an atheist, you a Guardian of Plato's Republic.

If you are dying of a lingering illness, the final stage before death is "acceptance".  That is how my mother went.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:32:54 AM
I feel that there needs to be more psychological studies made and classifications for the kind of mentality that mindlessly falls in line with prayer and following the made up stories by most religions. You can have many different types of people who follow a religion, the passive types, the aggressive types, the forceful types, the meek types, many just following a single minded concept that if they break out of they becomes psychologically unhinged.

As someone with OCD and often an introvert, I know what it means to come out of my comfort zone and how that makes me feel, however if I were like the woman in that video, I'd be telling everyone to back away from me all the time and washing my hands to the point of them bleeding and saying 'this is normal'. I don't of course and have worked to control my psychological ticks in order to be social and do things outside of my comfort zone.

I wonder if it comes down to there just being that type of person whos born dependent on being told what to think and feel, making them easy to manipulate. When you look at the mass of people in places like the vatican or mecca, people bowing to the words 1 person tells them to act like, it makes you think about the human condition overall, is it that kind of bestial primate instincts that they've just not evolve from yet?

Sixteen different kinds of personalities.  But one personality is the Master Personality, which should dominate the others ... bwahah.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 06, 2020, 08:29:09 AM
Pastor who decried "hysteria" dies of coronavirus. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52157824)

While sick, he posted that covid-19 was like swine flu and that covid-19 news coverage was politically motivated to hurt Trump.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 06, 2020, 09:03:45 AM
'You don't need hand sanitizer, you need faith in Jesus and guns!' (paraphrased) (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/04/texas-woman-who-claimed-covid-19-was-media-driven-hoax-dies-from-virus/)

She died from covid-19.

She posted this weird, irrational facebook rant against "socialism" (a presumably unjust system where the public pools their resources to pay for essential things like roads and healthcare) while simultaneously asking the public to pool their resources to pay for her healthcare.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 06, 2020, 09:17:08 AM
From the article above:

Quote
On the 13th of March Pastor Spradlin shared on Facebook a misleading post comparing swine flu and coronavirus deaths.  It suggested that Barack Obama and Donald Trump respectively had been treated very differently by the media and that it was a politically motivated ploy to harm President Trump.  Earlier the very same day, the president himself had insinuated something very similar at a news conference.... Pastor Spradlin's son, Landon Isaac, 32, told me that he and his father had talked and agreed about what they felt was an irrational frenzy and fear mongering about the virus, perhaps because it was an election year.
I can't find the word to describe this reasoning fallacy.  The first phrase that comes to mind is "Political thinking," but that's not quite right.  Ideological thinking, maybe?   Ideological thinking is not always a fallacy, although it often is.  Is there a word or phrase that describes making a claim on something depending on how it affects a political ideology, rather than on actual facts that pertain to the claim?

In this case, being a month ago, the facts and truths about corona virus were available from knowledgeable sources.  However, they were not fully assimilated into society (and probably never will be).  This guy must have arrived at his conclusion by how the facts affected Donald Trump.  If the facts supported Trump, he would have believed them.  Since they didn't support Trump, he rejected them.  This reasoning probably played a large part in the man's death.

I'm mentioning this, because we see this kind of political or ideological thinking all the time.  Politics is a haven for fallacy, maybe even surpassing religion.  And serious harm, both psychological or physical is often the result.  The invasion of Iraq was based on ideology, not actual information, and hundreds of thousands of people died, many who were completely innocent and nothing more than bistanders.  While the incident with the pastor may have directly caused this man's death, such thinking and behavior unfortunately puts others at great risk also.  And this flawed reasoning isn't going away, even though it is often dangerous to the extreme.

The fact that this guy was a theist aside, I always hate to lose a good blues musician, especially for a stupid reason. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 06, 2020, 09:21:58 AM
Yeah, those churches that insist on continuing having services?

Hands up who's surprised that they're starting to get clobbered by COVID-19 (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/04/sacramento-pentecostal-megachurch-linked-to-over-70-coronavirus-cases/)...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 06, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Quote
Sehlke wrote in part:

Wake up!!! This is what the beginning of socialism looks like!

They (the media) are leading with fear causing you to panic like sheep.
Or alternatively:

Wake up!!!  Fear of socialism is what blind right wing ideology looks like!
...
They (Republican Puppet Masters) are leading with fear causing Republicans to panic like sheep.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 06, 2020, 09:45:21 AM
Pastor who decried "hysteria" dies of coronavirus. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52157824)

While sick, he posted that covid-19 was like swine flu and that covid-19 news coverage was politically motivated to hurt Trump.
I love that the idiot minister (redundant, I know) rationalized posting falsehoods about the virus and Trump, because he was tired of the media using fear to make a point.  Which is exactly what every minister does, uses fear to make their christian points.  Christianity and fear are brothers.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 06, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
Covid-19?  Hey look over here; Obama still wants to take away our guns.
Why worry about corona virus when Hillary was using her private computer for government business? 
Refuse to stay at home, or to maintain 6ft spacing.  They're just training us to be Socialists.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:10:05 PM
'You don't need hand sanitizer, you need faith in Jesus and guns!' (paraphrased) (https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2020/04/texas-woman-who-claimed-covid-19-was-media-driven-hoax-dies-from-virus/)

She died from covid-19.

She posted this weird, irrational facebook rant against "socialism" (a presumably unjust system where the public pools their resources to pay for essential things like roads and healthcare) while simultaneously asking the public to pool their resources to pay for her healthcare.

Well, people who are still on Facebook ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
Pastor who decried "hysteria" dies of coronavirus. (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52157824)

While sick, he posted that covid-19 was like swine flu and that covid-19 news coverage was politically motivated to hurt Trump.

Swine flu, like Covid, both come from China.  Swine flu killed over 12,000 people in the US, over 500,000 worldwide.  Covid may yet be more serious than Swine flu, something that Obama and Congress completely ignored.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:12:45 PM
Or alternatively:

Wake up!!!  Fear of socialism is what blind right wing ideology looks like!
...
They (Republican Puppet Masters) are leading with fear causing Republicans to panic like sheep.

I still favor FEMA camps for y'all ... but only when it is cotton harvest season (sarc).  Wish I was in the land of Democrats ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:14:37 PM
Covid-19?  Hey look over here; Obama still wants to take away our guns.
Why worry about corona virus when Hillary was using her private computer for government business? 
Refuse to stay at home, or to maintain 6ft spacing.  They're just training us to be Socialists.

No ... that was Biden's gun czar, Roberto ...

No need to buy clothes, your Mao suits are being sewn up in China as we speak.

No, I am not worried about the virus, that is Dem MSM spreading panic.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 12:19:26 PM
"FEARS OF SOCIAL ORDER BREAKDOWN IN NYC AS BURGLARIES NEARLY DOUBLE, NYPD CALLING IN SICK" ... 10,000 NYC police and firemen call in sick.  The public employee unions, strike again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFLiDrYPE1w

I am going to miss NYC ... for Broadway anyway.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 06, 2020, 04:58:50 PM
Boris was apparently moved to ICU today. Not a great sign.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 06, 2020, 06:07:28 PM
I'm certain their get control of it.

Meanwhile a word from our sponsor

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2MvbkehQqOY

Update, my mum was in tears hearing about Boris being in intensive care. I gave her a hug and reassured her they will have a top team working on him
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 06, 2020, 08:10:03 PM
An update:

The procedure at work was to wear masks while interacting with patients but starting tomorrow ALL staff is required to wear masks at all times (I will be shaving off my beard). Everyone is completing an online screening each day before coming to work and a couple of people in my department have been told not to come to work for at least 72 hours. More tele-health equipment is being installed to minimize personal interactions. The hospital is also creating additional shower facilities so more staff can shower and change clothes before returning home. All hospital projects not related to COVID-19 are on hold and all departments are to support the COVID-19 response directly or indirectly.

Total COVID-19 cases in NC: last Monday=1213, Today=2585

Number of COVID-19 patients in our hospital: last Monday=5, today=19
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 06, 2020, 09:54:46 PM
Total COVID-19 cases in NC: last Monday=1213, Today=2585

Number of COVID-19 patients in our hospital: last Monday=5, today=19
3K as of this afternoon (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article241168731.html).  Though even that is probably underreported because some counties (like Wake) will no longer test people with mild symptoms.

I'm bracing for it to peak in a week or two.  We may "only" get 500 deaths statewide.  That's compared to the earlier projection of 2,400 deaths.  Staying at home is working!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
I want a Dalek for my neighborhood ;-)

"Wisconsin Supreme Court Sides With Biden, Rules State's Tuesday Vote Should Proceed As Planned" ... don't think this is a Biden thing, but lawyers aren't doctors, are they?

"NYT Op-Ed Calls For People To Stop Using Toilet Paper" ... NYT is a bad substitute for toilet paper

"Fired Navy Carrier Captain Who Penned Leaked Letter Tests Positive For COVID-19" ... guess he was right to be concerned

"China's Tourist Sites Overwhelmed With Crowds After Emerging From Lockdown" ... sumting wong

"Here Comes Round Two: China Just Reported The Most New Covid Cases In A Month" ... see previous item

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 06, 2020, 10:45:17 PM
A friend is telling me that this stupid quarantine is making finding LSD a pain in the ass...

They also made the mistake of living in a state which still criminalizes recreational pot.

Very sad times for them :(.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 06, 2020, 10:46:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/R0oj8DU.jpg)

It's almost as if the profit motive and providing/receiving good medical care are working against each other.  Which one should we keep?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 06, 2020, 10:54:31 PM
KKR is the guilty party on cutting salaries in their hospital division.  They learned nothing from Mr Skreli.

Traditionally, if you want non-profit medicine, churches cover that.  Know an atheist-only hospital?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 06, 2020, 11:53:50 PM
It's almost as if the profit motive and providing/receiving good medical care are working against each other.  Which one should we keep?

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-55AJtBIgZWA/WXKMbUt6M0I/AAAAAAABo_U/GGobdEDIVXsMSYJIp9bXRyEfmQ3n52h6gCLcBGAs/s1600/xxxxxx%2B3.jpg)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 07, 2020, 04:09:33 AM

It's almost as if the profit motive and providing/receiving good medical care are working against each other.  Which one should we keep?
We are in a pandemic, when medical care is more important than ever, and they turn the administration over to the bean counters.  If I understood why, maybe it wouldn't be so disappointing.  What is happening is what the Republicans say would happen if we had Universal healthcare.  So what's so great about pay as you go, if it means you can't get help?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 07, 2020, 05:27:40 AM
Quote
If I understood why, maybe it wouldn't be so disappointing.

Because the bean counters (or their bosses) pay their checks, not the commoners.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 07, 2020, 06:06:34 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfd4UpC3Fs

Interesting way of thinking about things. All the recycling and protests and half baked ideas for helping the enviroment hadn't done Jack shit compared to what a pandemic can bring.

Sort of like mother natures way of saying "oh, I know you think your helping dear, but its time we do this the proper way"
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 06:15:05 AM
We are in a pandemic, when medical care is more important than ever, and they turn the administration over to the bean counters.  If I understood why, maybe it wouldn't be so disappointing.  What is happening is what the Republicans say would happen if we had Universal healthcare.  So what's so great about pay as you go, if it means you can't get help?

If we had universal healthcare, we would be like the EU (rule by unelected committee), not like the UK, unless you want to volunteer to be our Queen ;-)

Most institutions are barely able to handle the day-to-day ... finance is based on this too.  Grocery stores usually make about 1% average profit.

Neither individuals nor institutions are designed to take on unexpected events.  They can't even handle contingency plans that have been around since 2003 in the US for example.  Sad but true.  The military practices the plan.  Need anything blown up?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 06:15:41 AM
Because the bean counters (or their bosses) pay their checks, not the commoners.

That is how a pyramid works.  Now get back to work on my giant tomb!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 06:16:30 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfd4UpC3Fs

Interesting way of thinking about things. All the recycling and protests and half baked ideas for helping the enviroment hadn't done Jack shit compared to what a pandemic can bring.

Sort of like mother natures way of saying "oh, I know you think your helping dear, but its time we do this the proper way"

Correct.  But doomsday cultists are never satisfied.  Liberals = bitch all day, expect the government to do something, but do nothing themselves.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 07, 2020, 08:41:04 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fLfd4UpC3Fs

Interesting way of thinking about things. All the recycling and protests and half baked ideas for helping the enviroment hadn't done Jack shit compared to what a pandemic can bring.

Sort of like mother natures way of saying "oh, I know you think your helping dear, but its time we do this the proper way"
Notice that the last words in video were, "the positive environmental effects of the virus will likely only be temporary."  The obvious reason is that once the virus danger is past, we will go back to polluting the environment at the previous rate.  The reason that environmental protests and environmental laws that have been passed haven't done Jack Shit to protect the environment, is because they are meaningless political responses often written by corporations that are inadequate.  If they were adequate, they would have an effect, and people wouldn't protest.  Recycling makes people feel good about doing it, but it barely scratches the surface of our environmental problems.

Like that one guy said in the video, the virus is his main concern because the deaths can be quantified, where deaths from global warming cannot be.  But that's only because global warming hasn't really happened yet.  On a shortened global warming timeline that compares to the virus, we are at the beginning in global warming, much like where we were when China covered up the deaths when a few people were dying.  We won't even get to the part of the timeline where the president of the US is still in denial and acting like it won't happen here.  That's still 80 years down the road, and we will still be arguing over who's to blame.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 07, 2020, 09:50:01 AM
Notice that the last words in video were, "the positive environmental effects of the virus will likely only be temporary."  The obvious reason is that once the virus danger is past, we will go back to polluting the environment at the previous rate.
But now researchers have a basis for comparison - they now what the situation on the ground is like with and without people.  They don't have to simulate anything because we've done that experiment irl.  Now we know for a fact what's human-caused and what's not.  Hopefully, that knowledge will be used to communicate to policy leaders exactly what they need to do to achieve certain environmental objectives.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 07, 2020, 09:51:41 AM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fox-news-prepares-coronavirus-misinformation-lawsuits

'Bout time.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 07, 2020, 10:06:47 AM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/fox-news-prepares-coronavirus-misinformation-lawsuits

'Bout time.
(http://media.tumblr.com/f0f0c0944f2bba3215aa4b843bd53d50/tumblr_inline_nauonmjyPs1snjmql.gif)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 11:47:16 AM
Love those Russiagate/Ukrainegate misinformation lawsuits.

CCP lied about the virus.  WHO under control of CCP, furthered CCP lies.  Dr Fauci (friend of Hillary, wrong about AIDS in the past) under the control of the WHO, is recorded saying that the virus is no big deal.  China sends 8K tourists to the US per day in Dec/Jan.  Trump relies on Fauci's opinions.

So Dems are shills for CCP, are traitors.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 07, 2020, 02:18:30 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-foreign-office-travel-advice-warning-fco-uk-government-a9448986.html?amp

I think the term 'indefinitely' scares people, and even creates a belief that it means 'dead forever'.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 02:22:40 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-foreign-office-travel-advice-warning-fco-uk-government-a9448986.html?amp

I think the term 'indefinitely' scares people, and even creates a belief that it means 'dead forever'.

Best not to think of conspiracy theories now.  The crisis is too real.  We can't guess the correct diabolical scheme anyway.

Best wrong theory is ... everyone will have to have the "vaccine" courtesy of Bill Gates.  And be chipped.  Otherwise you can't go to work, or travel outside of your local area.  "Revelations" like "1984" and "Animal Farm" aren't fiction, they are guides (in the collective unconscious of the West).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 03:30:11 PM
Denmark and Austria are first to loosen their lockdowns (not counting China, which may have done so prematurely).

New deaths each day has peaked in Italy, Spain and UK.  US may or may not have peaked, because of NY and NJ.  So basically, with lockdowns, the cycle has been a 6 week cycle ... 3 weeks getting worse, and presumably 3 weeks getting better (but smaller number of deaths ongoing for a long time).  So not the Black Death, but there may be seasonal waves of this later this year.

Anti-human nihilists disappointed ... humanity will not be extinct this year.

Anti-capitalist collectivists disappointed ... remains to be seen if Yang Gang/Bernie Bros becomes the new normal.

Anti-democracy authoritarians disappointed ... remains to be seen if temporary tyranny is reversed.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Unbeliever on April 07, 2020, 04:47:20 PM
Just checking in to let you all know that I'm still doing fine. No virus yet, have not been tested, but I'm keeping well away from people, except at the grocery store.

I heard a Christian lady just out of a church service say she's not at all concerned because she is covered in the blood of Jesus.

Library is still closed, but I'll check in again when I can.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 07, 2020, 05:07:33 PM
I heard a Christian lady just out of a church service say she's not at all concerned because she is covered in the blood of Jesus.


Glad you are well. I overheard a coworker say she was "covered in the blood of Jesus." It seems to be the new Christian coronavirus catchphrase.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 05:49:50 PM
"Paris Bans Exercise As Lockdown Tightens" ... French love to walk the "chien" as much as the British love to walk the "dog".

"CNN Suggests Wearing A Face-Mask In Public Is Racist" ... they aren't Left, they are insane.  Same for the usual suspect MSM in GB.

"Burglaries, Thefts Up More Than 75% In Major Cities Amid Coronavirus Lockdown" ... the police are busy.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 07, 2020, 06:25:36 PM
Just checking in to let you all know that I'm still doing fine. No virus yet, have not been tested, but I'm keeping well away from people, except at the grocery store.

I heard a Christian lady just out of a church service say she's not at all concerned because she is covered in the blood of Jesus.

Library is still closed, but I'll check in again when I can.
glad you are well-stay safe--and stay away from that christian blood.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 07, 2020, 06:31:56 PM
I heard a Christian lady just out of a church service say she's not at all concerned because she is covered in the blood of Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KryntbtoLLU
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 07, 2020, 08:25:13 PM
just realized the context of that last picture I posted, does make more sense now in context.

(https://i.imgur.com/LZRoLRW.jpg)
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/04/07/wisconsinites-vote-midst-coronavirus-pandemic/2960420001/

I dunno whats more crazy though, the people lining up to vote, or the fact they didn't make the voting online.
Then again with the way the laws work in america and voting its no surprise.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 07, 2020, 08:27:24 PM
I've been surprised by the variety of responses to to the shut down and distancing orders around where I live. Rural King, as] store I frequent for garden supplies and tools, was an absolute zoo, completely unmonitored, crowded,  and a germ factory.  I guess because they also sell groceries they are exempt.  A woman I know went there a couple days ago for the first time and described the place like a State Fair, which was my observation also. 

Surprisingly, my local Walmart was on top of things, well monitored with one person dedicated full time to disinfecting shopping carts, 6 foot spacing in check out lines, with monitors watching, people wearing masks.  For some reason, I expected Walmart to be the one store that would try to slack.

I ordered pizza which was doing business through a take out window.  I waited in line with 6 others with everyone watching around their space and maintaining at least 15 foot distancing.  The take out window had a hand sanitizer bottle for people who wanted to use it.

My biggest unexpected surprise was that in the most well disciplined establishments, shoppers and staff were the most friendly, and patrons almost seemed to bond in an odd way, like everyone was happy to be cooperating with each other.  A month ago, I didn't get that feeling at all anywhere.  Rural King customers acted like no one gave a shit about anyone but themselves, and they didn't really give a shit about themselves either.  I don't know if I'm being perceptive or just seeing what I want to see (I acutally like Rural King a lot).  I think it's the first because I had no idea what to expect going into this new normal.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 07, 2020, 08:28:01 PM
I've been surprised by the variety of responses to to the shut down and distancing orders around where I live. Rural King, a store I frequent for garden supplies and tools, was an absolute zoo, completely unmonitored, crowded,  and a germ factory.  I guess because they also sell groceries they are exempt.  A woman I know went there a couple days ago for the first time and described the place like a State Fair, which was my observation also. 

Surprisingly, my local Walmart was on top of things, well monitored with one person dedicated full time to disinfecting shopping carts, 6 foot spacing in check out lines, with monitors watching, people wearing masks.  For some reason, I expected Walmart to be the one store that would try to slack.

I ordered pizza this evening from a place doing business through a take out window.  I waited in line with 6 others with everyone watching around their space and maintaining at least 15 foot distancing.  The take out window had a hand sanitizer bottle for people who wanted to use it.

My biggest unexpected surprise was that in the most well disciplined establishments, shoppers and staff were the most friendly, and patrons almost seemed to bond in an odd way, like everyone was happy to be cooperating with each other.  A month ago, I didn't get that feeling at all anywhere.  Rural King customers acted like no one gave a shit about anyone but themselves, and they didn't really give a shit about themselves either.  I don't know if I'm being perceptive or just seeing what I want to see (I actually like Rural King a lot).  I think I'm being perceptive because I had no idea what to expect going into this new normal.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 07, 2020, 08:38:48 PM


I ordered pizza which was doing business through a take out window.  I waited in line with 6 others with everyone watching around their space and maintaining at least 15 foot distancing.  The take out window had a hand sanitizer bottle for people who wanted to use it.



my boyfriend ordered a pizza to his house. When it came the driver rang the bell, but by the time he answered the driver had already gotten in the car and driving off.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 07, 2020, 08:45:20 PM
I'm too far out of town for pizza delivery.  But that would be a good way to do it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 07, 2020, 08:58:05 PM
just realized the context of that last picture I posted, does make more sense now in context.

(https://i.imgur.com/LZRoLRW.jpg)
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/04/07/wisconsinites-vote-midst-coronavirus-pandemic/2960420001/

I dunno whats more crazy though, the people lining up to vote, or the fact they didn't make the voting online.
Then again with the way the laws work in america and voting its no surprise.
the repubs know that the fewer people who vote, the bigger their chance is to win.  Which is why so many repub run states and the senate  try so hard to limit voting. One of the reasons they get away with it is that the orange monster has packed the courts with is supporters and they support the reduction of the voting public.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 07, 2020, 10:18:06 PM
the repubs know that the fewer people who vote, the bigger their chance is to win.  Which is why so many repub run states and the senate  try so hard to limit voting. One of the reasons they get away with it is that the orange monster has packed the courts with is supporters and they support the reduction of the voting public.

Joe Biden was in favour of Wisconsin holding their elections as well, so it's not strictly a Rep-Dem issue, despite the Republicans having a long tradition of supporting voter suppression and election interference.

One more reason I refuse to vote for Biden in the coming election; his handling of this has been fucking awful. As soon as SHTF, he disappeared for a good week or two and only recently has started to make comments (which haven't been particularly great comments either). A leader he is not.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 07, 2020, 11:02:44 PM
One more reason I refuse to vote for Biden in the coming election; his handling of this has been fucking awful. As soon as SHTF, he disappeared for a good week or two and only recently has started to make comments (which haven't been particularly great comments either). A leader he is not.

Hey, least you know the same feeling most people had for the Labour party here and Jeremy anti-jew Corbin.

Waiting to see how this new guy holds up now they got rid of that twat.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 07, 2020, 11:11:27 PM
Hey, least you know the same feeling most people had for the Labour party here and Jeremy anti-jew Corbin.

Waiting to see how this new guy holds up now they got rid of that twat.

Yeah from what I remember seeing of him, which is admittedly not a lot, he seemed incredibly not likeable.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 11:50:14 PM
just realized the context of that last picture I posted, does make more sense now in context.

(https://i.imgur.com/LZRoLRW.jpg)
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/04/07/wisconsinites-vote-midst-coronavirus-pandemic/2960420001/

I dunno whats more crazy though, the people lining up to vote, or the fact they didn't make the voting online.
Then again with the way the laws work in america and voting its no surprise.

Voting by mail does work (often done by military), and is reliable (hard to fudge).  With mail-in voting you can vote early too.  Electronic voting is "cool" but easy to fudge.  In my old precinct, we always had paper ballots marked with indelible ink, not chad cards (though I have lived in precincts with those too, the infamous system that broke down in Florida in 2000).  There are 3000 counties in the US, each one its own Greek city-state ;-)  So there is only approximate uniformity.  Lining up to vote (on the day of the election vs voting early in person) has been broken for two generations.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 11:54:39 PM
Joe Biden was in favour of Wisconsin holding their elections as well, so it's not strictly a Rep-Dem issue, despite the Republicans having a long tradition of supporting voter suppression and election interference.

One more reason I refuse to vote for Biden in the coming election; his handling of this has been fucking awful. As soon as SHTF, he disappeared for a good week or two and only recently has started to make comments (which haven't been particularly great comments either). A leader he is not.

Dems support dead voting and illegals voting, and multiple voting in more than one precinct.  Disgusting creatures ;-)

Both Dem candidates and Trump, are in the endangered category.  We are lucky to see them at all (Profiles in Courage).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 07, 2020, 11:56:40 PM
I wonder how many Christians speak in tongues, wave their hands around and roll around on the floor when they are alone in the privacy of their homes.

https://youtu.be/HNI8r7vUkFY
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2020, 11:59:27 PM
Hey, least you know the same feeling most people had for the Labour party here and Jeremy anti-jew Corbin.

Waiting to see how this new guy holds up now they got rid of that twat.

I hear Keir Starmer was a bit of a bastard when a prosecutor.  Like Kamala Harris here in the US.  One can be "too tough on crime".
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2020, 12:00:30 AM
I wonder how many Christians speak in tongues, wave their hands around and roll around on the floor when they are alone in the privacy of their homes.

https://youtu.be/HNI8r7vUkFY

IMHO this is mostly a group psychology thing, unless families hold their own Revival meetings ;-)

Pentecostalism and Charismatic worship is a 20th century revival of something genuine from the NT, unlike the statist bureaucracy of the Vatican.  Don't mean you should like it, but this goes back to witch doctor prehistory.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 08, 2020, 01:58:51 AM
https://youtu.be/HNI8r7vUkFY
I'd like to marry this woman, except I'd be afraid she'd rip me a new one every time I pissed her off.  But she does make a great Church Lady.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 08, 2020, 02:02:56 AM
"Covered in the Blood of Jesus" has made quite an impression nationwide.  It's not exactly the bumper sticker a sane person wants on their car.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2020, 08:44:42 AM
Non-US Covid News:

"Coronavirus Cases Pass 1.4 Million As Scientists Discover Reinfection Risk For Patients Much Higher Than Expected" ... infection more complicated than simple models.

"Here Comes The Second Wave: Wuhan Lockdown Ends And Tens Of Thousands Are About To Flee The City" ... at least they can't go on tour outside of China.

"China Forces Italy To Buy Back PPE It 'Donated'" ... not only did China charge for the stuff they "gave" to Italy, part of it was PPE previously donated to Wuhan by Italy.

"Putin Tested Regularly For COVID-19, Controversially Resumes In-Person Meetings" ... came clean from previous scare.  Pelosi disappointed?

US Covid News:

"More People Died Of Suicide Last Week In Tennessee Than COVID-19" ... part of the master plan?

"Government To Decide What Items Are Essential Purchases And What Things You're Not Allowed To Buy" ... starting in Vermont.  The government gets to decide what you buy at the grocery store.  Definitely part of the master plan.  When push comes to shove ... there isn't much difference between the US and the USSR.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 08, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
Rural King, as] store I frequent for garden supplies and tools, was an absolute zoo, completely unmonitored, crowded,  and a germ factory.  I guess because they also sell groceries they are exempt.  A woman I know went there a couple days ago for the first time and described the place like a State Fair, which was my observation also. 

The Rural King did temporarily discontinue the free self serve coffee and popcorn.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 08, 2020, 09:48:42 AM
The Rural King did temporarily discontinue the free self serve coffee and popcorn.
I didn't even know they had that.  I could find a lot of things there that were hard to come by, and the prices seem fair.  It's just that they don't seem to be into stopping the spread of Covid-19.  It was the busiest store I've been in since this distancing thing started, so it would have been difficult.  Maybe they gave up.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 08, 2020, 09:59:08 AM
I wonder how many Christians speak in tongues, wave their hands around and roll around on the floor when they are alone in the privacy of their homes.

https://youtu.be/HNI8r7vUkFY
I have loved Betty Bowers for ages now.  Always right on the money!! Or blood.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2020, 11:25:33 AM
"EU top scientist resigns over crisis mishandling by Brussels!" ... Chinese fire drill

"World Health Organisation refuses to name staff who blocked early COVID-19 travel bans" ... they deliberately carried water for CCP.  Why not?  At one time, Robert Mugabe was a goodwill ambassador for WHO.  Trump is considering cutting of funding by the US for this cess pit.  US should withdraw and completely drive out the UN shit holes.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 08, 2020, 01:36:48 PM
Hospital suspends nurse who used GoFundMe to buy protective gear (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/491788-hospital-suspends-nurse-who-started-gofundme-to-buy-protective)

Cleanup crew on covid-infected aircraft carrier using makeshift masks (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/491784-coronavirus-cleanup-crew-on-infected-aircraft-carrier-using-makeshift-masks)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Draconic Aiur on April 08, 2020, 02:27:43 PM
Hospital suspends nurse who used GoFundMe to buy protective gear (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/491788-hospital-suspends-nurse-who-started-gofundme-to-buy-protective)

Cleanup crew on covid-infected aircraft carrier using makeshift masks (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/491784-coronavirus-cleanup-crew-on-infected-aircraft-carrier-using-makeshift-masks)

Disgusting
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on April 08, 2020, 03:21:57 PM
Because we in the Faroes took this early on, we seem to be able to get the gears going again, slowly but surely, in about 2 weeks time. No new cases have been the last couple of days and before that only about 1-4 cases for a week.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 08, 2020, 03:28:37 PM
Because we in the Faroes took this early on, we seem to be able to get the gears going again, slowly but surely, in about 2 weeks time. No new cases have been the last couple of days and before that only about 1-4 cases for a week.
Less populated places might get back on their feet more quickly.  In more populated areas, it might percolate through the population for longer.  Over here on the US eastern seaboard, there's fear that we could give the all clear too early and then trigger a second wave of infection.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2020, 05:29:06 PM
Because we in the Faroes took this early on, we seem to be able to get the gears going again, slowly but surely, in about 2 weeks time. No new cases have been the last couple of days and before that only about 1-4 cases for a week.

Small enough to have comprehensive testing of the population?  My ex made make-shift masks for us ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2020, 05:29:49 PM
Less populated places might get back on their feet more quickly.  In more populated areas, it might percolate through the population for longer.  Over here on the US eastern seaboard, there's fear that we could give the all clear too early and then trigger a second wave of infection.

There will be a second wave, already happening in China.

PS ... "Chinese Professional Baseball League team will have robot mannequins as fans at games, team says" ... team fans are unnecessary to the NWO.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 08, 2020, 07:11:09 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8bDAbr5c8hA&t=29s

If you can't see it, a poor older guy with cancer and autoimmune deficiency and in a wheelchair, who lives in one of those hideous le corbusier inspired tower blocks, is having to be looked after by his sister, who had to give up her job and look after him full time, despite being a nurse herself at a time when the nhs need them, because social distancing and lack of support has made any carers unable to visit and look after him.

when you think about stuff like this, then you see celebrities bitching and moaning on twitter about how its torture for some of them being trapped indoors in their million pound/dollar mansions.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 09, 2020, 09:11:31 AM
https://v.redd.it/yemjrb1p9rr41

"It's just like the flu!" - ignorant people
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on April 09, 2020, 10:17:09 AM
Small enough to have comprehensive testing of the population?
yes, some 10% of the entire populus have been tested.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 09, 2020, 11:09:17 AM
yes, some 10% of the entire populus have been tested.
Impressive.  In NC, we've tested just over 43,000 people in a state of about 10.5 million.  That's less than half a percent.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 09, 2020, 12:36:44 PM
"Dr. Fauci Says US COVID-19 US Deaths Could Be As Low As 60K After Warning "Millions Could Die"" ... been often wrong this year, and in past decades.

"Bill Gates Crosses The Digital Rubicon, Says "Mass Gatherings" May Not Return Without Global Vaccine" ... probably wants you to use an expensive vaccine he has interest in, against the Coronavirus he patented ;-(

Trump doesn't have an interest in HCQ ... that is produced mostly in India, and India is keeping most of it for their own population.  HCQ is generic, so you can't make much money on it.  The real key is the 15-min antibody test, that will help get people back to work and is cheap and easy.  The vaccine will arrive too late to be any good, unless the dictatorial government makes people take it, to help Bill Gates' bank account.

"France's Lone Aircraft Carrier Cuts Mission Short Due To 40 Likely COVID-19 Cases" ... same problem as US ships.

S Korea and Japan are starting to see a second wave, same as China.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 09, 2020, 03:09:16 PM
"Fauci on US after coronavirus: No shaking hands ‘ever again’" ... I won't be shaking his incompetent hands.  He must be related to Howard Hughes.

"Washington’s 250-bed field hospital to be dismantled, sent to states worse-hit in coronavirus pandemic" ... Washington state, probably first hit in the US.  This is a sign that we have started to locally pass the peak of the first wave of the infection.  Good on them to forward their excess to those who need it.

Dr Birx got it right on AIDS, but she is part of the Bill Gates clique.  Maybe she can balance out Dr "Doom" Fauci.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 09, 2020, 04:58:56 PM
"Dr. Fauci Says US COVID-19 US Deaths Could Be As Low As 60K After Warning "Millions Could Die"" ... been often wrong this year, and in past decades.
If you tell someone not to walk out in traffic or they could get hit by a truck and they listen (for the most part) and don't get hurt, are you really wrong?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 09, 2020, 05:22:38 PM
There's another thing I am So.  Fucking.  Tired.  Of.  This whole thing about mortality estimates being revised downward.  Yes, they are -- because the original mortality estimates were based on just carrying on as normal, and which, thanks to those estimates, we didn't do.  That's not a measure of the original estimates being wrong, it's a measure that we're actually doing something fucking correctly for a change.

Almighty Bob, it's why I reach for a brick when I hear someone say that Y2K was overblown because "nothing happened".  Yes, nothing happened because us IT professionals busted our fucking asses to make sure things got fixed.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 09, 2020, 10:19:03 PM
How to deal with a pandemic.

https://people.com/health/new-zealands-efforts-eliminate-coronavirus-early-lockdown-are-promising/
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 09, 2020, 11:04:39 PM
How to deal with a pandemic.

https://people.com/health/new-zealands-efforts-eliminate-coronavirus-early-lockdown-are-promising/

New Zealand was in the good position of seeing the rest of the world fuck it up, and able to adjust themselves accordingly.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 09, 2020, 11:25:39 PM
How to deal with a pandemic.

https://people.com/health/new-zealands-efforts-eliminate-coronavirus-early-lockdown-are-promising/
To be fair, they have Gandalf.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 09, 2020, 11:26:00 PM
New Zealand was in the good position of seeing the rest of the world fuck it up, and able to adjust themselves accordingly.
That used to be our thing.  :'(
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 12:41:43 AM
There's another thing I am So.  Fucking.  Tired.  Of.  This whole thing about mortality estimates being revised downward.  Yes, they are -- because the original mortality estimates were based on just carrying on as normal, and which, thanks to those estimates, we didn't do.  That's not a measure of the original estimates being wrong, it's a measure that we're actually doing something fucking correctly for a change.

Almighty Bob, it's why I reach for a brick when I hear someone say that Y2K was overblown because "nothing happened".  Yes, nothing happened because us IT professionals busted our fucking asses to make sure things got fixed.

I was one of those IT professionals.  And thank you.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 12:43:14 AM
If you tell someone not to walk out in traffic or they could get hit by a truck and they listen (for the most part) and don't get hurt, are you really wrong?

How much money does he have in vaccine companies?  Hmm.  Yes, it could have been worse.  Too bad China and WHO are mass murderers (manslaughter).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 10, 2020, 01:36:12 AM
(https://i.insider.com/5e8f718515ea4b4b5f06eebf?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

New York City is now having to resort to using prison labour to dig the mass graves for their bodies.

Something tells me the GOP aren't crying, since most of those bodies probably voted Democrat anyways.

Besides, it is all a hoax. Numbers will be basically zero in a few days. Easter comes around and it will miraculously disappear.

Or in the words of Bill O'Riley today, "Anyone who dies to this were on their last legs anyways."
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 10, 2020, 06:17:26 AM
It's very sobering seeing pictures of a mass grave, something you don't expect to see these days after seeing images of it in history books about the last two major wars.

Makes me think of that fact that my grandmother and dad had funerals, even a guy like my dad who lost all respect from everyone still got given a decent send off and his brothers and sisters got to say their goodbyes.

Seeing this today made me think what would happen if my own mum caught this thing and died, unlike my dad, she actually is loved by our whole family and all her friends (she even has friends from America, gay fella from LA who came over here once and had a day in London with her and my aunt, long story), but yeah mum is like loved by everyone in our family and friends, so thinking of us not getting to come together and pay our final respects because of this thing is scary and heartbreaking. I'm going to do everything I can to protect her from this thing
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 10, 2020, 08:34:20 AM

New York City is now having to resort to using prison labour to dig the mass graves for their bodies.

Hart Island has been used as a Potter's Field by New York City for a long time. By some accounts there are more than a million bodies buried there. It is the largest public cemetery in the US. Prisoners have been burying the bodies there for a long time, but the city hired contractors to bury the COVID-19 victims. So no, they didn't have to resort to using prison labor to dig mass graves for their bodies.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 10, 2020, 09:49:53 AM
Hart Island has been used as a Potter's Field by New York City for a long time. By some accounts there are more than a million bodies buried there. It is the largest public cemetery in the US. Prisoners have been burying the bodies there for a long time, but the city hired contractors to bury the COVID-19 victims. So no, they didn't have to resort to using prison labor to dig mass graves for their bodies.
This is a real thing then???  I thought it an April Fools joke.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 10, 2020, 10:27:02 AM
Liberty University to sue journalists who made them look bad (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/liberty-university-presses-charges-against-journalists-who-covered-campus-being-n1180731)

I'd love to be the judge on this one.  Also, ever notice how the people who hide behind words like liberty and freedom hate it in practice?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 10, 2020, 10:39:25 AM
This is a real thing then???  I thought it an April Fools joke.

It's real thing. Hart Island has been used as a cemetery since the Civil War. The City of New York started interning unclaimed remains there in the late 1860's, and have been doing that ever since. The cemetery is operated and maintained by prisoners from Riker's Island, but the city hired a contractor to take care of the remains of COVID-19 victims. Standard practice these days is a trench containing 1000 pine coffins stacked 5 deep.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 12:19:49 PM
(https://i.insider.com/5e8f718515ea4b4b5f06eebf?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp)

New York City is now having to resort to using prison labour to dig the mass graves for their bodies.

Something tells me the GOP aren't crying, since most of those bodies probably voted Democrat anyways.

Besides, it is all a hoax. Numbers will be basically zero in a few days. Easter comes around and it will miraculously disappear.

Or in the words of Bill O'Riley today, "Anyone who dies to this were on their last legs anyways."

National Guard also being used to temporarily bury bodies.  Also elsewhere, unused ice-rinks being used to keep bodies cold.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 12:22:20 PM
It's very sobering seeing pictures of a mass grave, something you don't expect to see these days after seeing images of it in history books about the last two major wars.

Makes me think of that fact that my grandmother and dad had funerals, even a guy like my dad who lost all respect from everyone still got given a decent send off and his brothers and sisters got to say their goodbyes.

Seeing this today made me think what would happen if my own mum caught this thing and died, unlike my dad, she actually is loved by our whole family and all her friends (she even has friends from America, gay fella from LA who came over here once and had a day in London with her and my aunt, long story), but yeah mum is like loved by everyone in our family and friends, so thinking of us not getting to come together and pay our final respects because of this thing is scary and heartbreaking. I'm going to do everything I can to protect her from this thing

Some family victims cremated, even though that isn't their tradition.  So additional angst.  I don't mind cremation myself, cleaner than burial.  And funerals in China are a big thing, bigger than in the US.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 10, 2020, 12:24:00 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6AgVC8yFopU

Patient recovering after being in intensive care, how harrowing it is to be there, seeing people dying around you, barely surviving himself.

A good clear message why people need to take this serious, and to grow a fucking brain cell why they need to isolate.

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 12:24:46 PM
Liberty University to sue journalists who made them look bad (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/liberty-university-presses-charges-against-journalists-who-covered-campus-being-n1180731)

I'd love to be the judge on this one.  Also, ever notice how the people who hide behind words like liberty and freedom hate it in practice?

I am not sure I support freedom of speech (sark).  Well, lawsuits are a thing.  Live with it.  Some are frivolous (famous McDonald's coffee trial) and win anyway.  Americans are the most lawsuit happy on this planet.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 12:43:14 PM
""We Can't Give Our Product Away" - Farmers Toss Thousands Of Acres Of Fruits, Veggies As Sales Plummet" ... these are product normally sold to restaurants, which are all closed.

"HOMEOWNER SHOOTS AND KILLS INVADER IN "CORONAVIRUS DISGUISE," BURGLARIES ARE SPIKING AMID PANDEMIC" ... fortunately the mask my ex made for me doesn't say "hoodlum" about me.  But when banks open up again, I won't be wearing one then.  I could shoot a person trying that, but in these hard times I would rather knife him (don't have to dig out the bullet) and cook him.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on April 10, 2020, 02:01:35 PM
I swear this pandemic is bringing out the worst in people.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 10, 2020, 02:09:53 PM
I swear this pandemic is bringing out the worst in people.
Not Baruch-he is in that mode all the time.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on April 10, 2020, 02:30:13 PM
Not Baruch-he is in that mode all the time.
But that's because he's an misanthrope.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 10, 2020, 02:50:42 PM
I swear this pandemic is bringing out the worst in people.
I have experienced mostly the opposite.  Maybe it's the small town environment.  Maybe it's just some local effect.  But here we are for the most part holding each other at a physical distance while cooperating in a common effort for the common good and enjoying each other all the more for it.  I am having more and more gentle and friendly encounters with complete strangers who are physically too far away to hug.

I don't see this in the media coverage, and certainly not in the political arena, where the last 10 years of political division is as divisive, petty, and hateful as I can ever remember.  It's like people are rekindling some long forgotten value and working together, while ignoring the attitudes and expectations of our political leaders and the media who seem like they have temporarily lost control of the masses.

If Washington doesn't gain control of the virus, people might learn to work together in spite of the ass holes that run the country.  Well, OK the religious right is caught up in hot spots of civil disobedience, at least in the media.  I live in the Bible Belt.  I dunno, maybe my neighbors are sneaking off to have prayer meetings, but if they are they are not advertising it, and they are not making an effort to look like holier than thou jerks.

It's like a dream world.  Please don't wake me up yet.  Let me sleep just a little bit longer.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on April 10, 2020, 03:18:48 PM
^ You have a point. the Media usually has an easier time selling stories of how the sky is falling than "mundane" stuff.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 10, 2020, 03:23:52 PM
I'm not sure if this might deserve it's own thread, but it looks like the Coronavirus might finally get the Republicans something they have been fighting for for 30+ years... the death of the U.S. Postal Service. The Postmaster General has stated what they feel is required to keep the USPS afloat right now, and they were rejected by the GOP, with Trump telling his lackies not to give them anything.

Because bailing out corrupt corporations is a-okay, but a bailout for one of the few government programs that actually works pretty damn well is just simply unacceptable. Of course, the USPS actually pays it workers a living wage and that is a deadly sin in the eyes of rich old white men.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/us/politics/coronavirus-is-threatening-one-of-governments-steadiest-services-the-mail.html

Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 10, 2020, 04:52:03 PM
I have experienced mostly the opposite.  Maybe it's the small town environment.  Maybe it's just some local effect.
Likewise here, except for not being a small town but a large city.  After the first couple days of panic buying and Chicken-Littleism, Columbus has settled into a new normal, and it's been drawing out a local sense of humor about it, too.

At least I hope being funny was the mayor's goal when he said, "It's time we all come together and practice social distancing..." XD
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 05:12:32 PM
I swear this pandemic is bringing out the worst in people.

You don't know people very well.

https://voxeurop.eu/en/2020/state-emergency-hungary-5124519

We are all Hungarians now.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 05:13:02 PM
Not Baruch-he is in that mode all the time.

I am related to Snidly Whiplash!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 05:14:53 PM
I'm not sure if this might deserve it's own thread, but it looks like the Coronavirus might finally get the Republicans something they have been fighting for for 30+ years... the death of the U.S. Postal Service. The Postmaster General has stated what they feel is required to keep the USPS afloat right now, and they were rejected by the GOP, with Trump telling his lackies not to give them anything.

Because bailing out corrupt corporations is a-okay, but a bailout for one of the few government programs that actually works pretty damn well is just simply unacceptable. Of course, the USPS actually pays it workers a living wage and that is a deadly sin in the eyes of rich old white men.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/09/us/politics/coronavirus-is-threatening-one-of-governments-steadiest-services-the-mail.html

Not keeping the post office open, would be a mistake.  So unlike Feinstein's husband who has made money from selling off small post office locations.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on April 10, 2020, 05:43:18 PM
"Fauci on US after coronavirus: No shaking hands ‘ever again’" ... I won't be shaking his incompetent hands. 
Did you just call Anthony Fauci incompetent?!??!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 10, 2020, 06:20:50 PM
I swear this pandemic is bringing out the worst in people.
It's bring out the people in people.  It's just magnifying what's already there, good and bad. Plenty of people are doing heroic stuff, some are being selfish and irresponsible, but a lot more are being responsible.

Everybody has their cards laid out on the table, and now we know how they are.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 10, 2020, 06:23:22 PM
Did you just call Anthony Fauci incompetent?!??!

He's not the only one, and unfortunately people in power are eating this shit up.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/10/ron-paul-former-gop-congressman-trump-should-fire-/

If you go through the Twitter comments for this, where Ron Paul calls for either Trump or "the people" to fire Fauci, you will see multiple GOP Senators parroting the same message.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 10, 2020, 07:23:53 PM
It's bring out the people in people.  It's just magnifying what's already there, good and bad. Plenty of people are doing heroic stuff, some are being selfish and irresponsible, but a lot more are being responsible.

Everybody has their cards laid out on the table, and now we know how they are.

This is what I was discussing with my mum. I've said to her I'm so thankful that the people who matter to me the most, her, my boyfriend's, my brother, nephews and sister in law, are all responsible and rational people, who are respecting the laws laid down that staying indoors, not going out unless necessary, and both protecting themselves and others by doing so.

Sadly this common sense isn't extending to everyone, like one of my mum's close friends who thinks it's fine to just go for a walk about without reason like food or dog walking, plus she's in her 80s and her husband had pneumonia last year.

In a way I kinda like how this thing reveals the true nature of people, for just how stupid, disrespectful and entitled some of them can be. But same time also show the good in others, like how one of the local schools near me had staff members make masks for the local hospital, or an at home bakery service had a gofundme raise £500 to make food for the hospital workers nearby.

People don't need to even go to those levels of good deeds, they just have to be sensible and obey social distancing, so as to help the NHS workers by not having another body to deal with. But some fuckers can't even do that.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 08:28:44 PM
Did you just call Anthony Fauci incompetent?!??!

Medically, no.  His expertise however is with HIV.  Doctors shouldn't be gods, especially to atheists.  He seems to be making political policy, not medical policy right now.  Authoritarians are eating it up.  Back when I took my daughter to her pediatrician, I didn't ask for his political opinion too.  I don't take medical advice from politicians either (including Pence and Trump).
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 08:31:47 PM
@Munch ...

Your mom's friend in her 80s ... they don't think straight.  Neither do the 18-22 year olds.  My mother was really obstinate in her 80s.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 08:43:58 PM
Dr Fauci's politics? ...

"FAUCI SAYS "IMMUNITY CARDS" MAY BE COMING AS AUTHORITARIAN NIGHTMARE EXPANDS EXPONENTIALLY" ... no thanks.  Chip all the Dems so we can track them on Google Earth ;-)  They are the ones who wan't a CCP style electronic population control system?  I will not be chipped.  Will not accept a pass from the Gestapo to go to the grocery store (after the lockdown).  I am happy to social distance during the lockdown.  Not in HS, don't need a %&%&$ hall pass.

"Ron Paul: Trump Should Fire Fauci, He Wants "To Have Total Control Over The People"" ... another very old guy.  Fauci is 79.  Ron Paul is 84.  Senility anyone?  This is why my daughter won't vote for senior citizens.

I saw the picture of Dr Fauci together with many of the "elite" like George Soros etc ...I don't like the company (Bill Gates Foundation) he keeps.  Can Dems even imagine, that if Dr Fauci serves in the Trump administration, he might have anti-Dem motives?  Yes, we want totalitarian control, because Dems will control it, not Repubs?

"Google/Apple JV's Dystopian COVID-19 Tracker Could Be Straight Out Of Orwell's 1984" - using Google data to alert users if you come into contact with a person with Covid-19 … and tied to Google Maps.  How are people with Covid to be tracked?  Has to be RFID chips.  Not everyone has an iPhone.  They would have the capacity to track one third of human race in real time.  NSA probably already has this data, but this would be an opportunity for ordinary people with smart phones to get their own 1984 data feed.  People will accept total loss of civil rights, if they buy in.  This is merely a reuse of the social-ranking system CCP already uses.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 10, 2020, 08:59:43 PM
sometimes you can't always trust even scientists. Most of them might be evolved beyond religious doctrine which inhibits scientific progression, but sadly we also live in a time where another form of regressive mental blocks hold things back from rational sense.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079293/coronavirus-nature-magazine-apologises-reports-linking-covid-19

Afraid of offending others, rather then accepting the reality of where this virus started from, some scientists would rather not offend people with the outrageous notion that this virus started in a province in china, after all china has never done anything that might lead to deadly outbreaks!

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“Continuing to associate a virus and the disease it causes with a specific place is irresponsible and needs to stop.”

Fuck off. Rather then accepting responsibility for a corrupt and broken system and broken health violations, you'd rather pull the race card. Fuck off Sarah Zheng, thousands are dead because of china's irresponsibility.

   
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
sometimes you can't always trust even scientists. Most of them might be evolved beyond religious doctrine which inhibits scientific progression, but sadly we also live in a time where another form of regressive mental blocks hold things back from rational sense.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079293/coronavirus-nature-magazine-apologises-reports-linking-covid-19

Afraid of offending others, rather then accepting the reality of where this virus started from, some scientists would rather not offend people with the outrageous notion that this virus started in a province in china, after all china has never done anything that might lead to deadly outbreaks!


We don't know the exact origin of this virus.  We might never know, and even China might not know.  Some people who used to work at that germ warfare lab are ... missing.  There is a problem with PC though it started out as a positive.  But people being assholes, they ruined it.  Beware your proctologist.

Practicing doctors (as opposed to institute managers) have specialties, and shouldn't practice outside their specialty.  This is particularly true of medical researchers (who know more and more about less and less).  I wish we were relying on a coronavirus specialist for the public face of this.  HIV isn't the same, unless of course it actually is a weapon that incorporates HIV code, as claimed early on by Indian researchers.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 10, 2020, 09:11:32 PM
We don't know the exact origin of this virus.  We might never know, and even China might not know.  Some people who used to work at that germ warfare lab are ... missing.  There is a problem with PC though it started out as a positive.  But people being assholes, they ruined it.  Beware your proctologist.

Practicing doctors (as opposed to institute managers) have specialties, and shouldn't practice outside their specialty.  This is particularly true of medical researchers (who know more and more about less and less).  I wish we were relying on a coronavirus specialist for the public face of this.  HIV isn't the same, unless of course it actually is a weapon that incorporates HIV code, as claimed early on by Indian researchers.

Well the only reason we're never know, is because china won't reveal anything, but since the virus didn't start it spread anywhere else before china, unless someone wants to claim it was brewed in an evil america laboratory and released in china, along with the other viruses that started out there in recent years, we can conclude they have a habit of covering up the reasons why this keeps happening.

China doesn't want to share facts with the rest of the world, because it would burst the bubble covering its perfect utopia.

Say what you like about america, europe, the middle east, least those regions are mostly open about their failings.

And yes I know american intelligence failed to give better warning of this, but that doesn't absolve china of whats happened. 
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2020, 09:40:52 PM
Well the only reason we're never know, is because china won't reveal anything, but since the virus didn't start it spread anywhere else before china, unless someone wants to claim it was brewed in an evil america laboratory and released in china, along with the other viruses that started out there in recent years, we can conclude they have a habit of covering up the reasons why this keeps happening.

China doesn't want to share facts with the rest of the world, because it would burst the bubble covering its perfect utopia.

Say what you like about america, europe, the middle east, least those regions are mostly open about their failings.

And yes I know american intelligence failed to give better warning of this, but that doesn't absolve china of whats happened.

Yes, Trump is really Stavro Blofeld, who cooked up this virus in his secret laboratory under the White House!  The God-Emperor really is a genius, but an evil genius!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPS-qpVYa_c

My favorite version of Stavro Blofeld.  I would definitely put my secret lab under a Japanese volcano, not under the White House ;-)  Maybe this is how the incompetent virus researchers in Wuhan disappeared.  This his how I imagine Dr Fauci, or the people who are using him for their own evil ends.  Of course wanting a war between the US and Russia is more Hillary's style.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 11, 2020, 05:32:57 AM
Well, it seems like my job will be opening up next week...

Do I risk my life, and my grandmothers, so we can pay bills... or hope that unemployment's website will actually work so I can apply for that... and if it doesn't, lose my phone and my ability to pay for my car.

Fun times.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 11, 2020, 08:49:08 AM
Well, it seems like my job will be opening up next week...

Do I risk my life, and my grandmothers, so we can pay bills... or hope that unemployment's website will actually work so I can apply for that... and if it doesn't, lose my phone and my ability to pay for my car.

Fun times.

If you are recalled to work and refuse you could lose your unemployment eligibility. If the state checks with your employer to verify your status they will tell them you quit. The state almost always does this, but these days who knows. They may be handling to many claims to bother.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 11, 2020, 09:20:51 AM
Well, it seems like my job will be opening up next week...

Do I risk my life, and my grandmothers, so we can pay bills... or hope that unemployment's website will actually work so I can apply for that... and if it doesn't, lose my phone and my ability to pay for my car.

Fun times.
Will there be any safety precautions at work?  Things like distancing and hand washing?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2020, 10:12:53 AM
Well, it seems like my job will be opening up next week...

Do I risk my life, and my grandmothers, so we can pay bills... or hope that unemployment's website will actually work so I can apply for that... and if it doesn't, lose my phone and my ability to pay for my car.

Fun times.

Take known prophylactic treatment, don't wait 18 months for Bill Gates vaccine.  Do you have a antibiotic prescription?  Take it.  Got vitamin C?  Take it.  Got zinc supplement (I have a mixed one, calcium/magnesium/zinc that has 100% daily zinc ... bad for my kidney stones, but I won't be taking it forever, only if I get symptoms).  Take it.  Got multivitamins?  Take it.  Got tonic water with genuine quinine?  Drink it.  I also swear by vitamin e, and ginger/tumeric for cough.  If your work lets you mask up, wear it.  Social distance from your grandmothers.

PS ...

"Texas gov Abbott eyes reopening state businesses as he preps executive order laying out guidelines" ... Shiranu won't be the only one going back to work.  But don't worry about the vaccine, they are testing it in Australia, which has less than 100 Covid deaths.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2020, 10:14:42 AM
Men who stay locked up, risk this ...

"British Suicide Rate Soars To Record High" ... choose freedom, choose life.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2020, 11:25:59 AM
"Michigan stay-at-home order now bans visits to friends, relatives, governor says" ... I don't do unnecessary visits with relatives.  Some politicians got heated under the collar with excitement over Covid.

PS ...

"Teen in remote Amazonian tribe tests positive for coronavirus" ... there has to be millions of non-symptomatic patients world-wide for this to be true so soon.

"Italy foreign minister thanks US government, citizens for ‘solidarity’ during coronavirus crisis" ... US joins Russia and China in doing the right thing.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: drunkenshoe on April 11, 2020, 12:55:45 PM
Hey kiddies, is everyone alright?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on April 11, 2020, 01:55:26 PM
Hey kiddies, is everyone alright?
We're doing OK here. I had to cancel a trip to Denmark for my brothers birthday though, even though it's in July/August.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: drunkenshoe on April 11, 2020, 02:25:52 PM
Good. We're going to break the record on Covid-19 crisis, just to let you know. I'm still OK. Take care.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mike Cl on April 11, 2020, 02:40:45 PM
Good. We're going to break the record on Covid-19 crisis, just to let you know. I'm still OK. Take care.
the US has the record now--do you mean Turkey will have even more deaths than we do???
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 11, 2020, 07:09:48 PM
We just topped 2,000 deaths per day.  And here I am, sweating missing a few weeks of work.  :/
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2020, 09:11:38 PM
Hey kiddies, is everyone alright?

Fine here.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2020, 09:13:31 PM
"Canadian Police Begin Making Home Visits To Check Quarantine Compliance" ... Canada is more like EU than like GB.

"Italian Mafia Distributes Food To Low-Income Families Under Quarantine" ... Russia, China and US have helped Italy.  So has the Mafia.  Too bad the EU just wants to extend more bad loans to benefit Franco-German citizens.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on April 11, 2020, 09:15:24 PM
Hey kiddies, is everyone alright?
Hi DS, I for one am doing fine so far. Much better than many. Fortunately. Hope you are well.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 11, 2020, 11:31:59 PM
Will there be any safety precautions at work?  Things like distancing and hand washing?

Not a clue.

On the bright side, it should be a skeleton crew and no one should be coming in anyways... but you never know, some idiot families might still think it's time to go to college campuses.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 09:47:41 AM
Real Covid science from a scientist ... necessary universal coverup of the facts ... science papers are in the support material under the title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIW3TQpVJYs

US, China and Russia are recklessly violating bio-ethics in pursuit of weapons.  Ends justify the means.  And thru the years, all three countries have violated containment protocols thru accidents and stupidity.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 10:18:30 AM
His prior vBlog ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlplnH3VYyc

And about those 20 million cell phones in China that have gone off-line ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 11:09:37 AM
Boris is better ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWy-bhgHpk

The point being, we should all be thankful to the medical staff on the front line.  I am glad, when I was in that position, the fears of anthrax, small pox and ebola didn't come true.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mr.Obvious on April 12, 2020, 11:16:10 AM
Good for him. Don't really like the man, but wouldn't wish his death upon him. Glad he made it.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 11:46:49 AM
Good for him. Don't really like the man, but wouldn't wish his death upon him. Glad he made it.

Vampires like Macron and Merkel have nothing to worry about ;-)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 12, 2020, 11:56:13 AM
Boris is better ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnWy-bhgHpk

The point being, we should all be thankful to the medical staff on the front line.  I am glad, when I was in that position, the fears of anthrax, small pox and ebola didn't come true.

Yeah, glad hes pulling through.

However what he said raised an unspoken point. As the prime minister, as a world leader, he is privy to having 2 nurses watching him 24 hours a day to avoid complications.
This same privy cant be afforded to every common man in a hospital bed, if it takes nurses to monitor people every moment, there just isn't the manpower to do this.

This is why people must obey the isolation laws, and take the strain off the doctors and nurses, and ultimately save more strain on things like the nhs and more deaths
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Mermaid on April 12, 2020, 12:25:35 PM
Yeah, glad hes pulling through.

However what he said raised an unspoken point. As the prime minister, as a world leader, he is privy to having 2 nurses watching him 24 hours a day to avoid complications.
This same privy cant be afforded to every common man in a hospital bed, if it takes nurses to monitor people every moment, there just isn't the manpower to do this.

This is why people must obey the isolation laws, and take the strain off the doctors and nurses, and ultimately save more strain on things like the nhs and more deaths
It also underlines the horrible US healthcare situation. People who can't afford healthcare will just die, I guess.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: aitm on April 12, 2020, 01:14:53 PM
“Healthcare” in the US is an oxymoron. It is really unofficially “money care”.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 12, 2020, 01:47:56 PM
It also underlines the horrible US healthcare situation. People who can't afford healthcare will just die, I guess.

I guess it does.

There have been horror stories of nurses and doctors here who have had to decide on those who can be saved and those who they need to leave to die.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 12, 2020, 02:34:17 PM
I guess it does.

There have been horror stories of nurses and doctors here who have had to decide on those who can be saved and those who they need to leave to die.
Triage.  That's been going on the US when hospitals get overloaded.  Only so many ventilators to go around, so some people are unavoidably going to get shafted.  That's why flattening the curve is so important.  A lot of people don't understand that risky behaviors have consequences far beyond themselves.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 12, 2020, 02:48:31 PM
Triage.  That's been going on the US when hospitals get overloaded.  Only so many ventilators to go around, so some people are unavoidably going to get shafted.  That's why flattening the curve is so important.  A lot of people don't understand that risky behaviors have consequences far beyond themselves.

It's why I'm so glad those nearest to me have the common sense to not go out unless vital to do so.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 12, 2020, 05:01:51 PM
It also underlines the horrible US healthcare situation. People who can't afford healthcare will just die, I guess.
That's essentially the Republican long term health care plan -- hope people die before they qualify for Medicare and they have to grudgingly provide a dribble of assistance.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 12, 2020, 05:17:34 PM
I noticed in the video that Boris was thanking the NHS, the nurses and doctors for their service, and the British people for working together to contain the Virus.  When this is over in the US, I can picture Trump telling everyone we should be thanking him for getting the virus under control.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 05:55:06 PM
It also underlines the horrible US healthcare situation. People who can't afford healthcare will just die, I guess.

And from accidents, aging, suicide etc.  If you can't afford a mansion, you will just have to live in a hovel ...

It is true, that a national health care system is possible ... but you have to cut other government programs, including the military.  But that still won't create instant doctors, nurses etc.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 05:56:56 PM
I guess it does.

There have been horror stories of nurses and doctors here who have had to decide on those who can be saved and those who they need to leave to die.

That is what happens, when you don't have enough beds, enough doctors, enough nurses.  But I thought the NHS didn't have those problems ... because it is well funded, and manned by many immigrants (so less chance you run out of medical personnel by borrowing them from Portugal and NZ (per Boris)).

Yes, doctors make life/death decisions any day they have a patient in critical condition.  Glad I am not a doctor.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2020, 05:58:01 PM
That's essentially the Republican long term health care plan -- hope people die before they qualify for Medicare and they have to grudgingly provide a dribble of assistance.

Dem plan is to create communist cadre members?  What does that have to do with medicine anyway?  In general, it is necessary for everyone to die of something eventually ... regardless of which magic politician they vote for.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 12, 2020, 10:23:16 PM
That's essentially the Republican long term health care plan -- hope people die before they qualify for Medicare and they have to grudgingly provide a dribble of assistance.

When discussing healthcare with someone my first question is whether they agree that everyone should have access to affordable healthcare. If they disagree, we are not going to get anywhere. I can discuss the advantages and disadvantages of different healthcare systems but I believe everyone should have access to healthcare, just as I believe everyone should have equal treatment under the law. From the other end of the spectrum, I think people need to accept that healthcare will always be rationed because resources are not unlimited. The question is who will be the gatekeeper: insurance companies, Medicare, physicians, etc.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2020, 12:45:26 AM
Anyone who says no to the first question is an idiot of the highest order, displaying not only a startling lack of empathy but also a fundamental ignorance of how interconnected humanity is.  Someone else not getting the healthcare they need doesn't affect just that person, it ripples out to other people.

It's like living in a city of wood and declaring that only some fires should be put out.  It takes a really crazy person to say that and an even crazier one to pretend that it's sensible.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 13, 2020, 12:58:06 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-cases-on-uss-roosevelt-spike-to-550/ar-BB12usOA?ocid=st (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-cases-on-uss-roosevelt-spike-to-550/ar-BB12usOA?ocid=st)

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The U.S. Navy on Saturday confirmed 103 new cases of the coronavirus onboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, bringing the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier's positive cases to 550. The ship's outbreak has been in the spotlight since Captain Brett Crozier sent a memo pleading for help before being fired, leading to the acting Secretary of the Navy resigning in response.

As of now, the USS Roosevelt remains deployed and according to sources aboard the ship the infected have not been given adequate access to medical care as well as having other resource-related issues. The most recent number seems to be over 600 infected.

For those who didn't catch it, the Captain of the Roosevelt was recently relieved of command after leaking the situation aboard the ship to the media. He did this after multiple attempts to inform the Pentagon that the situation was rapidly deteriorating and was ignored every time. He did what was necessary to protect the safety of his crew and was punished for it.

If there is one thing I've learned from history, it's that when a government loses the support of their military and leaves them to die it always ends amazingly well for the government with not one negative side effect.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 13, 2020, 02:56:59 AM
Anyone who says no to the first question is an idiot of the highest order, displaying not only a startling lack of empathy but also a fundamental ignorance of how interconnected humanity is.  Someone else not getting the healthcare they need doesn't affect just that person, it ripples out to other people.

The people who make arguments against universal healthcare tend to emphasize individual behavior rather than the outcomes of systems. The argument often goes, "Why should I have to suffer for someone else's poor choices? If some idiot decides to smoke tobacco knowing it will cause lung cancer why should I have to pay taxes to fund his very expensive cancer treatments?" Some people really focus on blame (blame is a barrier to empathy). Opponents also tend to believe large organizations, like the federal government, are inherently corrupt or wasteful. Another argument is that if healthcare is "free" people will use resources unnecessarily. Then there is the argument "universal health is socialism, socialism is evil, therefore universal healthcare is evil", often touted by "free market" true believers. Another argument is that universal healthcare is too expensive and America can't afford it.

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Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 13, 2020, 05:05:14 AM
Using the Chinese numbers back in February, I predicted it would be 3.1 million with a 2.13% fatality rate over 6 months, with a note that I thought there numbers were lower than reality.

At the moment global totals are currently sitting at 1.85 million and a 6.2% fatality rate over 4 1/2 months.

I'm kinda depressed at how spot on I seem to have gotten the numbers, though the fatality is off (thanks to China lying about the numbers). But it is morbidly interesting to see how mathematical a virus can be.


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It's interesting to go back and read the beginning of this thread vs now. I actually think it's important, because it showcases just how destructive the media losing it's trustworthiness is. If the mainstream news wasn't now just editorials instead of unbiased journalism I really believe people would have taken this seriously much earlier and taken many more steps to protect themselves and their populations.

Unfortunately I doubt the United States would have been one of those countries either way.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 13, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
When discussing healthcare with someone my first question is whether they agree that everyone should have access to affordable healthcare. If they disagree, we are not going to get anywhere. I can discuss the advantages and disadvantages of different healthcare systems but I believe everyone should have access to healthcare, just as I believe everyone should have equal treatment under the law. From the other end of the spectrum, I think people need to accept that healthcare will always be rationed because resources are not unlimited. The question is who will be the gatekeeper: insurance companies, Medicare, physicians, etc.

Define affordable healthcare.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 09:44:31 AM
Using the Chinese numbers back in February, I predicted it would be 3.1 million with a 2.13% fatality rate over 6 months, with a note that I thought there numbers were lower than reality.

At the moment global totals are currently sitting at 1.85 million and a 6.2% fatality rate over 4 1/2 months.

I'm kinda depressed at how spot on I seem to have gotten the numbers, though the fatality is off (thanks to China lying about the numbers). But it is morbidly interesting to see how mathematical a virus can be.


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It's interesting to go back and read the beginning of this thread vs now. I actually think it's important, because it showcases just how destructive the media losing it's trustworthiness is. If the mainstream news wasn't now just editorials instead of unbiased journalism I really believe people would have taken this seriously much earlier and taken many more steps to protect themselves and their populations.

Unfortunately I doubt the United States would have been one of those countries either way.

The infection stats are useless, because testing isn't universal.  The death stats are marginal ... over counting in the West (for insurance and political reasons) and undercounting in authoritarian countries like China.  I sort of trust the death stats in my own state, because our Governor isn't a Communist ;-)

You have to do the following ... compare seasonal death stats (are those reliable?) for prior years, after we are done with 2020.  That shows the excess deaths.  Part of which is due to Covid.  That is how the actual death stats were estimated for WW II, after the war ended (the civilian deaths were much greater than the military deaths).  So do that statistics a year from now (but will always be marred with inaccuracies).  A lot of the deaths in any year are due to lung disease caused by smoking and vaping, and pneumonia from other causes than Covid.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 09:49:36 AM
When discussing healthcare with someone my first question is whether they agree that everyone should have access to affordable healthcare. If they disagree, we are not going to get anywhere. I can discuss the advantages and disadvantages of different healthcare systems but I believe everyone should have access to healthcare, just as I believe everyone should have equal treatment under the law. From the other end of the spectrum, I think people need to accept that healthcare will always be rationed because resources are not unlimited. The question is who will be the gatekeeper: insurance companies, Medicare, physicians, etc.

I have a right to not have to work for a living (Marx).  I have a right to a beautiful young wife (INCEL).  I have a right to abort my child any time during pregnancy or even after birth (Feminist).  I have rights, how dare you! (Greta).

You have a right to pay taxes, and die.  You don't have any other rights.  And taxes and death will usually be determined by circumstances beyond your control.  Entitlements only applied to people with titles, like the Queen.

And as I said before, health care insurance could be nationalized much better than ACA.  But I don't expect it to happen.  And you have to choose some from column A and some from column B, you can't choose all of it, or you won't get fortune cookie!  Hypochondria is a threat to any medical care system.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 09:52:01 AM
Anyone who says no to the first question is an idiot of the highest order, displaying not only a startling lack of empathy but also a fundamental ignorance of how interconnected humanity is.  Someone else not getting the healthcare they need doesn't affect just that person, it ripples out to other people.

It's like living in a city of wood and declaring that only some fires should be put out.  It takes a really crazy person to say that and an even crazier one to pretend that it's sensible.

I have empathy for crazy apes.  But only if they are in a zoo ;-)  So, go fix something yourself.  How about fixing yourself first (someone who posts here is trying to do just that).  Stop asking a politician to wipe your ass.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 09:53:53 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-cases-on-uss-roosevelt-spike-to-550/ar-BB12usOA?ocid=st (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-cases-on-uss-roosevelt-spike-to-550/ar-BB12usOA?ocid=st)

As of now, the USS Roosevelt remains deployed and according to sources aboard the ship the infected have not been given adequate access to medical care as well as having other resource-related issues. The most recent number seems to be over 600 infected.

For those who didn't catch it, the Captain of the Roosevelt was recently relieved of command after leaking the situation aboard the ship to the media. He did this after multiple attempts to inform the Pentagon that the situation was rapidly deteriorating and was ignored every time. He did what was necessary to protect the safety of his crew and was punished for it.

If there is one thing I've learned from history, it's that when a government loses the support of their military and leaves them to die it always ends amazingly well for the government with not one negative side effect.

Yep, accident waiting to happen.  What do you think happens on submarines that are submerged for 6 months at a time?  If you don't like the risks of military service (and they are real even in peacetime) then don't join up.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 09:55:40 AM
Define affordable healthcare.

Affordable? ... I am a communist party member.  I get a dacha in the country.  I get a limousine to and from work.  My job consists in telling people what they must do, or what they cannot do.  I was a bully in school.

A national health insurance can work, but it isn't free.  For socialists, if it costs more than their calling a doctor on their smartphone app, then it is too hard.  Of course, capitalists don't want to pay for anything.  They don't want to pay for you and your family.  And they want crony capitalism thru the government, to pay for them and their families (taxpayers get to pay).  The problem is human beings are liars, frauds and thieves.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 10:04:49 AM
"Fauci Admits US Was "Given Incorrect Information From The Start"" ... we were all lied to by the backers of the D party, China

"Robert F Kennedy Jr. Exposes Bill Gates' Vaccine Agenda In Scathing Report" ... accidents will happen.  Gates and many governments have financed vaccine research.  But virus research is dual use.  Per prior videos I attached yesterday, the virus probably got lose accidentally, while they were working on coronavirus vaccines.  Yes vaccines are completely safe (see expose on Gates' failures in Africa), and vaccine research is anything but safe.

"Calls For Central Planning Amid COVID-19 Panic Are Like The Calls For The "War Socialism" Of Old" ... the usual actors.  Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.  The Pope in Rome.  Democrats in the US.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Sal1981 on April 13, 2020, 11:14:20 AM
Part 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6s4Bx7mzNkM
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 11:34:34 AM
Rude British humor.  Blimey!
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 11:45:32 AM
US seems over the peak ... sound of one hand clapping ...

April 8 - 14788 total US fatalities (+3917)
April 10 - 18747 total US fatalities (+3959)
April 12 - 22105 total US fatalities (+3358)

Death total now doubling every 11 days, down from doubling every 4 days.  It is possible, that some of the lockdown restrictions will lessen, in some places by May 1.  This is good for all the people not working (mostly lower wage workers).  Continue social distancing from seniors and the chronically ill (like that utopia, Sweden).

Anyone who wants a free medical care system, right away (sorry, our politicians are blocking everything, by design) ... Cuba is just a short swim away ;-)  When Fidel needed serious medical care when he was dying, he got care in Spain.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2020, 12:36:38 PM
The people who make arguments against universal healthcare tend to emphasize individual behavior rather than the outcomes of systems. The argument often goes, "Why should I have to suffer for someone else's poor choices?"
It's probably coincidental that the most in need are usually poor people and/or minorities.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 13, 2020, 12:58:18 PM
I have a right to not have to work for a living (Marx).  I have a right to a beautiful young wife (INCEL).  I have a right to abort my child any time during pregnancy or even after birth (Feminist).  I have rights, how dare you! (Greta).

You have a right to pay taxes, and die.  You don't have any other rights.  And taxes and death will usually be determined by circumstances beyond your control.  Entitlements only applied to people with titles, like the Queen.

That is why I didn't use the word "right." Philosophers get triggered.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 13, 2020, 01:51:25 PM
Define affordable healthcare.

A fee that is easily paid by the patient. I have no problem with partially funding a universal healthcare system with progressive fees based on the patient's income. Preventative medicine should be at no cost to everyone and there should be out-of-pocket maximums but I think fee-for-service could reduce taxes and encourage people to access care properly. For example, charging a fee if someone comes to the emergency department with a head cold rather than contacting their primary care physician or accessing telehealth would free up emergency department staff to treat actual emergencies. Universal healthcare can certainly be funded by entirely taxes but charging affordable fees can be useful. I'm open to different strategies.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2020, 02:21:02 PM
A fee that is easily paid by the patient. I have no problem with partially funding a universal healthcare system with progressive fees based on the patient's income.
To add to that,  I would argue that healthcare costs that are beyond the patient's ability to pay without incurring massive debt (debt unlikely to ever get paid off) or results in medical bankruptcy are pretty clearly NOT affordable.

So is anything less than that affordable?  Is 50% of annual income too much?  How about 30%?  How about 20%?  I'm not an expert on this stuff, so I did some digging.  Afaik, the formal definition of affordable healthcare is less than or equal 8% of the individual's household income (https://www.medmutual.com/Healthcare-Reform/Resources/Mandate-Tool/HCR-Items/Affordability-Defined.aspx).  That seems like a reasonable definition to me.

So if someone's pulling down $50,000 a year and their insulin costs $360 a month ($4320 a year), that's 8.63% - just over the 8% threshold.  So that's unaffordable by the above definition and the government absolutely should examine how and why those prices are so high.  Btw, that above figure is not a hypothetical for a lot of Americans. (https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive)
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 13, 2020, 03:05:30 PM
To add to that,  I would argue that healthcare costs that are beyond the patient's ability to pay without incurring massive debt (debt unlikely to ever get paid off) or results in medical bankruptcy are pretty clearly NOT affordable.

So is anything less than that affordable?  Is 50% of annual income too much?  How about 30%?  How about 20%?  I'm not an expert on this stuff, so I did some digging.  Afaik, the formal definition of affordable healthcare is less than or equal 8% of the individual's household income (https://www.medmutual.com/Healthcare-Reform/Resources/Mandate-Tool/HCR-Items/Affordability-Defined.aspx).  That seems like a reasonable definition to me.

So if someone's pulling down $50,000 a year and their insulin costs $360 a month ($4320 a year), that's 8.63% - just over the 8% threshold.  So that's unaffordable by the above definition and the government absolutely should examine how and why those prices are so high.  Btw, that above figure is not a hypothetical for a lot of Americans. (https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive)

I think fees should be used not simply to fund healthcare but strategically to maximize the appropriate use of the system and promote good healthcare outcomes. A fee shouldn't be charged for maintenance medications, such as insulin, because it is in everyone's interest that people with diabetes, heart disease and other chronic medical conditions take their medications to avoid costly or debilitating complications. Similarly, medications to prevent transmission of disease, such as PrEP, should be free. Personally, I think 8.63% is too high-- my out-of-pocket maximum for my employer-based insurance is 3.5% of my income.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2020, 03:23:12 PM
Subsidizing maintenance/preventative medications sounds like a dream come true.  It's such a shame that in this political climate (a climate subsidized in part by giant insurance and medical corps) that's basically impossible.  Think of all the lives that could be saved and rescue medical fees that could be avoided that way.  But that doesn't jive with the current business model, so that sort of thinking must be wrong.

As an aside, does anyone worry about the moral implications of one socioeconomic group essentially controlling the fees that another socioeconomic group has to pay?  In the wrong hands...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 03:48:32 PM
It's probably coincidental that the most in need are usually poor people and/or minorities.

If it was mostly White males you would tell them to go to hell, right? (sarc).  Identity politics is all about creating electoral plantations ... per Dems.

We can all be equal, if we are all poor.  You can't make us all rich.  And BTW, we are all ultimately from Africa, so let me start speaking in Ebonics ...
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 03:51:46 PM
To add to that,  I would argue that healthcare costs that are beyond the patient's ability to pay without incurring massive debt (debt unlikely to ever get paid off) or results in medical bankruptcy are pretty clearly NOT affordable.

So is anything less than that affordable?  Is 50% of annual income too much?  How about 30%?  How about 20%?  I'm not an expert on this stuff, so I did some digging.  Afaik, the formal definition of affordable healthcare is less than or equal 8% of the individual's household income (https://www.medmutual.com/Healthcare-Reform/Resources/Mandate-Tool/HCR-Items/Affordability-Defined.aspx).  That seems like a reasonable definition to me.

So if someone's pulling down $50,000 a year and their insulin costs $360 a month ($4320 a year), that's 8.63% - just over the 8% threshold.  So that's unaffordable by the above definition and the government absolutely should examine how and why those prices are so high.  Btw, that above figure is not a hypothetical for a lot of Americans. (https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293950/why-is-insulin-so-expensive)

That is why medical insurance exists, to cover catastrophic medical events.  Not to cover your usual medical appointments and pharmacy orders.  But even for catastrophic medical events, it doesn't work out mathematically (as insurance, see actuarial table).  With life insurance, you can't claim it twice.  With medical insurance, you can claim it again and again.  If you could do that with life insurance, it would fail immediately (or you gave cheap life insurance to sick and injured and elderly who are one day away from kicking the bucket).

If you want a nationalized system, it will either only cover catastrophic events, or will be very expensive .. unless you ration care to keep out the hypochondriacs and the self-abuse people (just about everyone).  Of course, you can limit costs by nationalizing the medical industry, drafting all the doctors and nurses into the Public Health army (they do have their own uniform).  And we need to establish mandatory control of diet and exercise on the whole population.  No more jelly donuts for you, comrade!

Power comes from the barrel of a gun, or at the point of a bayonet.  Right now, i don't have life insurance or medical insurance (until Medicare next January).  I would want all the wealthy media people in California to pay for me, but I don't think Hollywood will respond except by bad singing of a John Lennon dream sequence.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 13, 2020, 04:08:10 PM
Subsidizing maintenance/preventative medications sounds like a dream come true.  It's such a shame that in this political climate (a climate subsidized in part by giant insurance and medical corps) that's basically impossible.  Think of all the lives that could be saved and rescue medical fees that could be avoided that way.  But that doesn't jive with the current business model, so that sort of thinking must be wrong.

Good managed care companies give maintenance medications for free or very low cost. For example, my HIV medication, Biktarvy, costs $3000 a month. My insurance company required me to schedule an in-person appointment with a pharmacist to discuss the importance of taking this medication. After the appointment, the medication was free and not subject to the usual medication copay. My insurance company also reduces my fees if I do things like take an online health inventory and have an annual physical, which is free. They aren't doing this out of the goodness of their hearts but because they know preventative medicine saves money.

As an aside, does anyone worry about the moral implications of one socioeconomic group essentially controlling the fees that another socioeconomic group has to pay?  In the wrong hands...

Right now the wealthy have unfair influence in determining what taxes and fees everyone pays. I have no problem with limiting the influence of the wealthy through government regulation or progressive taxation. I don't consider flat taxes equitable and I don't believe in corporate personhood, despite the US Supreme Court ruling.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 04:28:47 PM
Yes, unfortunately, some medications are genuinely very expensive (not per Mr Skreli).  Either some insurance policy covers that (and only because so few people need that medication) or you have to get Joe Taxpayer to pay on your behalf.  Private insurance is self funded, not public funded.  Where ACA goes wrong is it mixes those two up (to bail out the insurance companies I recall ... not to bail out patients).  That is why deductibles and monthlies for ACA went up and up, and in many districts there is only one ACA provider (called a government supported monopoly).

It isn't magic that makes expensive things cheap, you have to have a new process that is less complicated than the old one, to achieve real savings.  Back in the day, natural fertilizer came from harvesting bird guano from an island off of Chile.  This couldn't continue during WW I (for Germany at least) so Germany came up with a way of making artificial fertilizer.  This is so important, like 2% of all electricity world wide is used to make fertilizer.  All the rest is used to mine Bitcoin ;-)

Life is unfair?  Wahh.  Go complain to Kissinger and Gates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBkT19uH2RQ

Humans medically are very close to lab mice.  The 1% are The Brain, and the 99% are Pinky ;-)  The 1% are different from you and I ... same as King Louis XIV was different from a back street boulangier.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 05:15:31 PM
"Morgan Stanley Publishes Full Timeline Of Upcoming Coronavirus Milestones; Sees Second Coronavirus Peak In December" ... if they know it this well, what is the plan to begin with?

"Governors Defy Trump By Releasing Regional Plans To Reopen Economy: Live Updates" ... Governors don't work for the President.  Governors who handle Covid well will get reelected, otherwise they won't.

""Perilously Close To Meat Shortfalls": World's Largest Pork Producer Shutters Key Factory After COVID-19 Outbreak" ... hmmm, China had to slaughter half of their pigs last summer, because of swine ebola ...

"Largest US Study Of COVID-19 Admissions Reveals Single Biggest Factor In Hospitalization" ... US people have been fat self abusing shits for decades

"China Obstructs Hunt For COVID-19 Cure By Canceling "Promising" Gilead Study" ... very strange, almost as if they don't want a cure ...

"IRS Deposits First Batch Of Coronavirus Stimulus Payments To Broke Americans" ... come to Papa, by Friday?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
"Coronavirus has 'reactivated' in more than 100 South Koreans who recovered" ... experts say ... getting this a second time, after having extensive lung damage and auto-immune triggering, is more fatal ;-(
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 13, 2020, 07:51:17 PM
A fee that is easily paid by the patient. I have no problem with partially funding a universal healthcare system with progressive fees based on the patient's income. Preventative medicine should be at no cost to everyone and there should be out-of-pocket maximums but I think fee-for-service could reduce taxes and encourage people to access care properly. For example, charging a fee if someone comes to the emergency department with a head cold rather than contacting their primary care physician or accessing telehealth would free up emergency department staff to treat actual emergencies. Universal healthcare can certainly be funded by entirely taxes but charging affordable fees can be useful. I'm open to different strategies.

Healthcare in the US is not affordable. Period. It costs too much. We can't have universal coverage until it becomes affordable. Rich people don't have enough money to fund universal care at it's current costs, and it would take a bigger piece of the middle class's income than we can afford. It would make us poor. Defunding the military, and getting rid of insurance and drug manufacturer, hospital profits wouldn't be enough even with huge tax increases. I've done the math. Uncle Joe and Bernie can promise it all they want. The rest of us can talk about how nice it would be. But everybody can't have it until it costs less.

Other countries do it doesn't address the problem. Other countries don't spend nearly as much on healthcare per person as the US, and all their people are covered. They can have it because their healthcare costs less than ours does. We can't until our costs come down.

How are we going to make that happen?
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 13, 2020, 09:09:29 PM
We can't have universal coverage until it becomes affordable.
You have it backwards.  The current system is the unaffordable one (https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/484301-22-studies-agree-medicare-for-all-saves-money).

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Other countries don't spend nearly as much on healthcare per person as the US, and all their people are covered.
Weird how they can do it but we can't.

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They can have it because their healthcare costs less than ours does. We can't until our costs come down.
So, we can't implement a less expensive healthcare system because ours costs too much?  Is that the logic here?  Cause that's absolutely bonkers logic.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Munch on April 13, 2020, 09:27:00 PM
One thing we can certainly say about this event in history, is that it tests the real mantle of whoevers in charge, and what their decisions determine.

Say whatever you like about boris, at least he is repeating the message, stay at home, save the NHS, save lives.

I do feel very sorry for you over in the states, that your president is touting lines like 'staying at home is another kind of death', while thousands are dying and he doesn't have a clue what to do.

This event really does expose people down to their most base level, some are cowards, some are courageous. Some are selfish, some are selfless. Some are smart enough, some are thoughtless.

Just do yourselves a favor, stock up, stay at home, and get into that routine, since it looks like things will get worse before it gets better over there. As someone said in one of the UK covid-19 updates, the virus is rapid to expose, and slow to decline. Its gonna be some time before we can reach 'normal' again.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Shiranu on April 13, 2020, 10:06:57 PM
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How are we going to make that happen?

Even if we kept a private insurance/out of pocket health care system, one single step would make an astronomical difference in our costs; give the government the ability to negotiate prices on medicines. As it stands, lobbyists have set up a system where the pharmaceutical companies are just about literally free to charge what ever they want for their product, which costs the individual paying for them hundreds, thousands of more dollars than the item would cost in other countries... as well as costing the federal government and insurance companies millions upon millions of dollars more.

But as Hydra pointed out, our system is already more expensive than a universal healthcare system anyways; economists, medical experts have all run those numbers and have concluded we pay far more per person as well as the state paying significantly more than it would under a universal program.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 13, 2020, 11:33:31 PM
Healthcare in the US is not affordable. Period. It costs too much. We can't have universal coverage until it becomes affordable. Rich people don't have enough money to fund universal care at it's current costs, and it would take a bigger piece of the middle class's income than we can afford. It would make us poor. Defunding the military, and getting rid of insurance and drug manufacturer, hospital profits wouldn't be enough even with huge tax increases. I've done the math. Uncle Joe and Bernie can promise it all they want. The rest of us can talk about how nice it would be. But everybody can't have it until it costs less.

Other countries do it doesn't address the problem. Other countries don't spend nearly as much on healthcare per person as the US, and all their people are covered. They can have it because their healthcare costs less than ours does. We can't until our costs come down.

How are we going to make that happen?

We could have universal healthcare tomorrow. Congress could pass a law saying all healthcare providers must accept and treat patients regardless of their ability to pay or lose their license to practice. Tada! Universal coverage.

But seriously, the US can certainly afford to provide universal healthcare but there are trade-offs and different systems for delivering and funding care. You are correct that healthcare costs in the US are higher than in other countries. One reason is that the cost of treatment is artificially inflated through a net of disorganized programs designed to cover people who can't afford to just write a check to pay for their care, which is almost everyone. There is Medicare, each state has a different version of Medicaid, there are approximately 6000 private insurance companies, there are tax write-offs, community funding, medical trial reimbursement, direct billing, collection agencies, pharmaceutical payment programs... It's insanely inefficient and expensive.

The biggest problem with passing universal healthcare is no one wants to lose their current slice of the pie. Insurance companies, hospitals, clinics, physicians, pharmaceutical companies, medical equipment companies, universities, lobbyists, patients, politicians... Everyone is afraid they will get shafted. So we keep the status quo even though it's expensive and results in poor health outcomes.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 14, 2020, 12:29:35 AM
You have it backwards.  The current system is the unaffordable one (https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/healthcare/484301-22-studies-agree-medicare-for-all-saves-money).
Weird how they can do it but we can't.
So, we can't implement a less expensive healthcare system because ours costs too much?  Is that the logic here?  Cause that's absolutely bonkers logic.

No Hydra, I'm sorry but you have it backwards. Other countries spend less than we do because they pay less for services. We can't afford to provide everyone with healthcare until our costs are comparable to theirs. Just implementing a Medicare for all system without making fundamental changes to the way we do business won't get us there.

From the article you linked.

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Administrative savings from Medicare for All would be about $600 billion a year.

Administrative costs account for about 1/3 of US healthcare spending. In 2019 that would have been about $1.235 trillion dollars. That's $3,770 for each American, and many of us didn't have any healthcare. If we had the total would have gone up not down along with the cost each.

The $600 billion in savings number comes from this study (https://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/2758511/health-care-administrative-costs-united-states-canada-2017). It assumes medicare for all would cut our administrative costs in half. The first problem with that is they count on most of the savings by reducing/eliminating private insurer overhead. So if we do away with private insurer overhead who is going to process all the paperwork? There is going to be about the same amount of paperwork because we didn't do anything to reduce the paperwork. It's just going to government now instead of to a private insurer. We are still going to need about the same number of people (i.e. overhead) to process it. We didn't get rid of the overhead. We just moved it from industry to the government, and the last time I checked our government can't take a dump efficiently so it isn't going to be any cheaper than industry doing it. The only thing we have accomplished is removed the insurance providers profit margins from the equation. Those margins account for less than 3% of overall costs. $100 billion not $600 billion, and we'll be lucky if we don't lose most of that back by turning the whole thing over to our less than efficient government.

One of the mistakes they are making is assuming the main driver of the US's higher administrative cost is the hospitals having to negotiate with each insurance provider separately. While I'm sure this contributes to our higher administrative costs it isn't the main driver. The main driver of the higher administrative cost in our healthcare system is the way healthcare providers bill for services and compliance with government regulations.

In the US when you go in for a procedure like knee replacement your insurance company/the government gets itemized bills from the hospital, the surgeon, the anesthesiologist, and who knows who else. The hospital bill includes lines for use of the surgery suite, room charges, charges for food, separate charges for changing bandages, charges for the nursing staff, ect... My understanding of the way it works in places like the UK is you get a bill that says "knee replacement surgery: £24,000". In the US it's 3 different bills with a total of forty line items totaling $60,000. It takes forty times the time to process on both payable and receivable end. This is the biggest driver of our higher administrative cost, and we won't start realizing real savings on our administrative costs until we change the way we do paperwork. None of the single provider plans I've seen even mention this. We have to get to that £24,000 point for knee replacement surgery before we can afford knee replacement surgery for everyone. That is going to take a lot more than just changing the system over to single payer. It is going to require making fundamental changes to the way hospitals and the government works before we can get there.

If we don't do that first what do you think is going to happen when the government steps in and tells our healthcare providers they are going reduce their expenses by a few points by cutting out the middleman, but also going to cut their income in half for the same amount of services? Oh and by the way. Volume is going to go up because everyone is going to be coming to you now.


Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 14, 2020, 12:32:48 AM
We could have universal healthcare tomorrow. Congress could pass a law saying all healthcare providers must accept and treat patients regardless of their ability to pay or lose their license to practice. Tada! Universal coverage.


This is exactly what I think the current Medicare for all plans will do with the exception of instead of saying you are going to lose your license they are going to be told, and you are going to do it for half of what you get paid now.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: trdsf on April 14, 2020, 05:13:39 AM
Define affordable healthcare.
I would start with taking corporate profits out of it.  That would make an immediate and definite difference.  Also, stop the shell games and sweetheart deals -- we happened to see my uncle's final expenses when he died in '00.  If he hadn't had insurance, the hospital would have billed my grandparents something in the vicinity of $90,000.  What they accepted as payment in full from the insurer was $9,000.  That's not being in business, that's fucking racketeering.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: SGOS on April 14, 2020, 07:57:21 AM
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No Hydra, I'm sorry but you have it backwards.
I understand your thoughts on administrative costs, but there is more math to figure in, and other considerations.
 
From what I can see, your calculations assume no increase in taxes to cover the extra trillion or so.  No reasonable person assumes this does not involve tax increases.  Although that will raise the hairs on the backs of the right, it's only an emotional response.  If taxes went up that $3,700 per person, and their medical expenses go down $5,000, there's an extra $1,300 per person to add to their bank account.  And the highest estimate I've seen from right wing fear mongers was actually $2,700 extra in taxes.  But these are figures just being pulled out of thin air, because no one knows what they are.  I have not seen any data from GAO, and it's my understanding they don't bring out the calculators until there is an actual bill on the table.

Medical costs do need to come down, and they should.  Drugs are 5 times higher here than in other countries, where governments set limits on manufacturers.  I buy my meds from Canada and this saves me 6000 dollars a year, and that's just on two of the drugs I buy.  So there is 6000 X [whatever multiplier you are using to calculate extra costs] for at least part of the population, and that can be subtracted from your figures.  Will our government take that step? They certainly need to and have needed to for years.  Will they?  I don't know.  That's one huge industry vs the American people, and so far our government seems to support the wealth.

Hospital costs are high, admittedly so by hospitals who say they  need to care for the uninsured.  I'm not sure how to do that math, but it seems to me that eliminates part of the expense since there will be no uninsured poor people at the doors looking for free care.

Medical costs are high, partly because of insurance.  Raise medical costs and insurance companies get higher premiums.  They don't care, and the insured sick don't care, although that should be a concern of the insured right now.  At the same time, that so called $60,000 knee operation is not what the insurance company pays, which is far less than an uninsured person pays.  You see the $60,000 on the bill, but that is not what is actually paid.  Medical costs can come down.

But I think the way to address this finance problem that exists is by getting rid of insurance companies strangle hold, and lowering medical costs, ideally at the same time.  Granted a big task for those in Washington that would rather do nothing, but certainly possible.

Also keep in mind that Medicare for all is not total coverage for anyone.  I pay an extra $350 each month to insurance companies to get all my bills paid, but that is not covering all catastrophic expenses or any of my meds.  So Insurance companies will always be with us lobbying away in Washington to reduce Medicare payments for everyone so the insurance companies can regain their strangle hold, which will always be an option for those who don't want Universal coverage for themselves, or if Medicare For All bombs.

I think the changes will be big, but not as big as the overly enthusiastic hope, or as drastic as conservatives think.  Both extremes tend to exaggerate the effect, but it won't be a Utopia or a world wide depression.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: GSOgymrat on April 14, 2020, 10:36:54 AM
In the US when you go in for a procedure like knee replacement your insurance company/the government gets itemized bills from the hospital, the surgeon, the anesthesiologist, and who knows who else. The hospital bill includes lines for use of the surgery suite, room charges, charges for food, separate charges for changing bandages, charges for the nursing staff, ect... My understanding of the way it works in places like the UK is you get a bill that says "knee replacement surgery: £24,000". In the US it's 3 different bills with a total of forty line items totaling $60,000. It takes forty times the time to process on both payable and receivable end. This is the biggest driver of our higher administrative cost, and we won't start realizing real savings on our administrative costs until we change the way we do paperwork. None of the single provider plans I've seen even mention this. We have to get to that £24,000 point for knee replacement surgery before we can afford knee replacement surgery for everyone. That is going to take a lot more than just changing the system over to single payer. It is going to require making fundamental changes to the way hospitals and the government works before we can get there.

If we don't do that first what do you think is going to happen when the government steps in and tells our healthcare providers they are going reduce their expenses by a few points by cutting out the middleman, but also going to cut their income in half for the same amount of services? Oh and by the way. Volume is going to go up because everyone is going to be coming to you now.

If everyone has Bernie's Medicare doesn't that solve the administrative cost problem? There is only one payer, one set of reimbursement codes and prices are set not by the market buy by Medicare. For example, the average cost of a hip replacement is $39,299 and let's say that is how much Medicare will reimburse. In Bernie's plan, there are no deductibles or copays, so every doctor in America is getting $39,299 for a hip replacement and nothing more because Medicare patients can't be billed for more than Medicare pays, in fact, no patient will ever see a bill. Medicare pays on average 85% of what insurance companies pay, so physicians and hospitals will be taking a financial hit. Will providers save 15% through reduced administrative reimbursement costs? I'm not sure. In Bernie's Medicare system, prices will be whatever Medicare sets.

Keep in mind that Bernie's plan isn't the only plan. The Swiss system provides universal healthcare but doesn't eliminate insurance companies.

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Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Hydra009 on April 14, 2020, 10:53:36 AM
Other countries spend less than we do because they pay less for services.
Yeah, that's kind of why people want to change our current system.

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We can't afford to provide everyone with healthcare until our costs are comparable to theirs. Just implementing a Medicare for all system without making fundamental changes to the way we do business won't get us there.
Change will require change?  Who knew!

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Administrative costs account for about 1/3 of US healthcare spending.
An obvious problem and hence the need for changing it.

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The $600 billion in savings number comes from this study (https://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/2758511/health-care-administrative-costs-united-states-canada-2017). It assumes medicare for all would cut our administrative costs in half.
Every single time experts analyze this stuff, they say that a single-payer system would be cheaper.  You can't tell me they're talking bullshit and expect me to take your opinion seriously.  The far more likely explanation is that the experts are right and you're the one talking bullshit here.  You just dress it up to sound far more intelligent and reasonable than it really is.

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That is going to take a lot more than just changing the system over to single payer. It is going to require making fundamental changes to the way hospitals and the government works before we can get there.
Once again, saying that a lot of stuff needs to be changed isn't exactly a compelling argument for why nothing needs to change.

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Oh and by the way. Volume is going to go up because everyone is going to be coming to you now.
Overloaded hospitals?  That's the argument you're going with?  You know, there are plenty of countries with single payer.  They don't have overloaded hospitals.  You can't tell me to disbelieve my lying eyes and expect to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: Wuhan Corona virus
Post by: Baruch on April 14, 2020, 11:39:18 AM
Healthcare in the US is not affordable. Period. It costs too much. We can't have universal coverage until it becomes affordable. Rich people don't have enough money to fund universal care at it's current costs, and it would take a bigger piece of the middle class's income than we can afford. It would make us poor. Defunding the military, and getting rid of insurance and drug manufacturer, hospital profits wouldn't be enough even with huge tax increases. I've done the math. Uncle Joe and Bernie can promise it all they want. The rest of us can talk about how nice it would be. But everybody can't have it until it costs less.

Other countries do it doesn't address the problem. Other countries don't spend nearly as much on healthcare per person as the US, and all their people are covered. They can have it because their healthcare costs less than ours does. We can't until our costs come down.

How are we going to make that happen?

Unfortunately true.  But politics runs on innumeracy.  Taxation is unnecessary.  Just look at the "liquidity" created out of nowhere since 2008.  Look at all these $1,200 stimulus checks.  The government could send $1,000,000 instead, and nobody would have to work for a living, we could afford expensive medical care.  People all over the world, all thru time, don't understand money.  And that is part of the reason why they get less, save less and waste more.  Ultimate failure to understand money, leads to ends of civilizations.

The basis of economics isn't the stock or bond market.  It is agriculture.  Without food, everyone dies.  When the economy collapses, the city populations drop, because they are parasitic on the farmers/ranchers.  Rome went from 1,000,000 people to 50,000 people in about 800 years.  Things move much faster now.  With a collapse of a modern economy like that, the cities would empty in a few years.

What does money do?  How did it start?  Started in Lydia, in W Anatolia.  The king there had a natural source of electrum (gold + silver).  Bullion traded hands.  Much of this was state-to-state trade, because the gold was the king's monopoly.  But it leaked out into the economy, into the elite, connected to the king.  Electrum wasn't a very good medium of exchange/store of value.  Money is both of those.  The king issued pre-weighted, pre-purified lumps of electrum, stamped with his symbol.  To make your own was death.  To be a corrupt mint-master was death.  But you could still use bullion.  But it was much more convenient to trade, to have government approved (monopoly) bullion in small sizes.  This came in seven sizes.  The 1/6th unit would pay for a family about a week.  But only upper class people had coins.  Just like in the US, only upper class people had checking accounts before 1946.  This electrum wasn't ideal, because the gold-silver ratio varied, and this made it easier to counterfeit.  So a new Lydian king, divided the gold from the silver, making two series, one of pure gold and another of pure silver.  Gold/electrum continued to be connected closely to the king and his cronies.  But silver coins were revolutionary (we had those in the US until 1965).  This allowed the convenience of money go out to the middle class (but 90% were still peasants doing everything by barter).  This created a capitalism partly independent of the state.  And there was much more silver in the world, than gold.  A large supply of silver, finance many states and empires (and crippled your state if you didn't have any).  In early Rome, they had no gold or silver.  To make large transactions in the market, Senators had to bring bronze bullion (aes rude, aes grave, aes signatum) in a wagon, instead of using their iPhone app, when they needed to even make a moderate purchase.  This retarded the development of the economy (which was Mafia army going all over Italy running a protection racket).  In Athens, are a large supply of silver found, that was publicly owed, led to the creation of the Athenian fleet that defeated the Persians.  The rowers were citizens, not slaves.  This led to the reinforcement of recently invented democracy.  A rower, or a juryman on a jury, got 2.11 grams of silver as his state salary.  Salary?  This is a Latin term.  Early Roman soldiers were paid in salt (salarum).  Only after Rome became a successful Empire, did they pay their soldiers in silver (a denarius a day or 3.9 grams of silver in the time of Emperor Tiberius).  Eventually Rome was reduced to buying off barbarian hordes, who only took gold coins.  This greatly damaged the Roman economy (that and rampaging barbarian hordes).

During hyperinflation (Yuan/Mongol dynasty of China, Revolutionary America, Revolutionary France, Confederacy, Germany in the 20s, Hungary in the 40s, numerous Latin American cou