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Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 28, 2020, 09:55:07 PM
There have been about 15,000,000 cases, 140,000 hospitalizations, and 8,200 deaths from the flu in the US alone this season. I could be wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about the Wuhan coronavirus.

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 28, 2020, 10:07:36 PM
Just give it some time.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 28, 2020, 09:55:07 PM
There have been about 15,000,000 cases, 140,000 hospitalizations, and 8,200 deaths from the flu in the US alone this season. I could be wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about the Wuhan coronavirus.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 28, 2020, 10:23:05 PM
An annual flu chart would look similar.

Quote from: Shiranu on January 28, 2020, 11:26:03 PM
It's because the case-to-fatality possibility is significantly higher with the coronavirus than the common flu.

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 29, 2020, 04:26:37 AM
I too am not too worried about the Corona virus, as of yet. But I am fascinated by the traction it is gathering and by how China chose/chooses to deal with the situation.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 28, 2020, 10:23:05 PM
An annual flu chart would look similar. The CDC estimates there were 45,000,000 cases and 61,000 flu-related deaths in the US during the 2017-18 season. This year is looking even worse. Early estimates are putting the number of deaths in the 90,000 range. And remember that's just the US. Worldwide the number will be a lot bigger than that. I did say I could be wrong. I am just having a hard time getting excited about it.

Quote from: SGOS on January 29, 2020, 07:03:16 AM
I remember a line from Stargate SG1 when the US revealed the stargate in a top secret meeting with representatives of other global military powers.  The Chinese representative tried to shame the US for keeping it a secret.  He then threated to make it known to the Chinese people on the grounds that the Chinese government did not keep secrets from its citizens.  Everyone just looked at him blankly without commenting, which made the situation even more humorous.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 28, 2020, 09:55:07 PM
There have been about 15,000,000 cases, 140,000 hospitalizations, and 8,200 deaths from the flu in the US alone this season. I could be wrong, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about the Wuhan coronavirus.

Quote from: Mermaid on January 29, 2020, 03:06:06 PM
I'm not all that happy about it myself. The morbidity and mortality rates are pretty high with this new virus. The flu is bad enough as it is.

Quote from: Munch on January 29, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
He's saying that the common flu has claimed more people recently over the last few years then what the coronavirus has done so far (remains to see how worse it gets) it's just that the media are fearmongering as if it's the black death.

Quote from: Munch on January 29, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
He's saying that the common flu has claimed more people recently over the last few years then what the coronavirus has done so far (remains to see how worse it gets) it's just that the media are fearmongering as if it's the black death.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 29, 2020, 04:03:07 PM
According to a recent study (https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=208914) worldwide the flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people each year every year. As of the chart posted earlier in this thread the Kung flu has killed 106.

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 29, 2020, 01:30:37 PM
Jeez, whomever it is who makes/sells those face masks will make a...killing!

Quote from: Mermaid on January 29, 2020, 03:06:06 PM
I'm not all that happy about it myself. The morbidity and mortality rates are pretty high with this new virus. The flu is bad enough as it is.

Quote from: Munch on January 29, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
He's saying that the common flu has claimed more people recently over the last few years then what the coronavirus has done so far (remains to see how worse it gets) it's just that the media are fearmongering as if it's the black death.

Quote from: Baruch on January 29, 2020, 07:28:09 PM
Soup made with turmeric and ginger kills respiratory problems.

Quote from: Mermaid on January 29, 2020, 03:06:06 PM
I'm not all that happy about it myself. The morbidity and mortality rates are pretty high with this new virus. The flu is bad enough as it is.

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 29, 2020, 11:39:24 PM
It can also spread while still incubating (in other words, people can spread it before they're noticeably sick)

But it has been successfully grown in a lab (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-breakthrough-2019-ncov-grown-lab-china-first-game-changer-1484548), allowing for a more thorough analysis of the virus and could help in the creation of a vaccine.

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 29, 2020, 11:55:00 PM
Before y'all get your hopes up, just remember that medical staff and other people involved in dealing with the virus will be the first to receive such a vaccine. Don't let hope make you complacent.

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 30, 2020, 03:52:00 PM
Hell, humanity should be considered a public health emergency.

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 30, 2020, 05:24:54 PM
Technically, it's a STD.  :P

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 29, 2020, 11:10:53 PM
*stares in asthma*

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 29, 2020, 11:39:24 PM
It can also spread while still incubating (in other words, people can spread it before they're noticeably sick)

But it has been successfully grown in a lab (https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-breakthrough-2019-ncov-grown-lab-china-first-game-changer-1484548), allowing for a more thorough analysis of the virus and could help in the creation of a vaccine.

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 29, 2020, 11:59:34 PM
I guess I'll have to reschedule my weekly swappin' spit at the asian food market session.  :(

And yes, I know that the most vulnerable (medical workers, elderly, kids, etc) will be the first to get a shot, not me.  This isn't the Titanic.  I think I can manage waiting a little extra.

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 03:30:40 PM
Coronavirus could mean more U.S. jobs. Wilbur Ross goes there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/wilbur-ross-touts-coronavirus-economic-benefits-u-s-after-saying-n1126366

"I think it will help to accelerate the return of jobs to North America," Trump's commerce secretary said.


Yeah, so what if people die, as long as it's good for the good old U.S. of A-holes.

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 03:53:03 PM
Yeah, more money for the quacks that will sell crap to the credulous idiots who will believe anything.

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 03:30:40 PM
Coronavirus could mean more U.S. jobs. Wilbur Ross goes there.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/wilbur-ross-touts-coronavirus-economic-benefits-u-s-after-saying-n1126366

"I think it will help to accelerate the return of jobs to North America," Trump's commerce secretary said.


Yeah, so what if people die, as long as it's good for the good old U.S. of A-holes.

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 03:53:03 PM
Yeah, more money for the quacks that will sell crap to the credulous idiots who will believe anything.

Quote from: Munch on January 31, 2020, 04:33:02 PM
Don't forget holistic medicines!

Quote from: Shiranu on January 31, 2020, 04:42:55 PM
Actually his point was that it will hit a vulnerable Chinese workforce and market, meaning production should start to head back State-side and perhaps let us re-establish ourselves as the dominant market.

The problem is American policies for awhile now, despite all of Trump's talk about how he is bringing us back, have not really set us up to capitalize on China's weakness. Unless we really bust our asses off as a nation and start putting the working class in a stronger position... but I doubt that will happen any time soon unless Bernie wins.

Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 05:05:46 PM
Death to America!

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 31, 2020, 05:18:21 PM
America is already dead, and has been since the SCOTUS decided who would be president - December 23, 2000.

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2020, 05:54:02 PM
The number of cases jumped from just shy of 10,000 yesterday to 11,300 right now.  The numbers outside China seem to be similarly climbing.  A lot of new countries on the tally, which is really worrying.  I thought this could stay relatively contained, but it looks like it's going to be a global phenonemon.

Get plenty of sleep and wash your hands regularly, everyone!

Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2020, 05:54:02 PM
The number of cases jumped from just shy of 10,000 yesterday to 11,300 right now.  The numbers outside China seem to be similarly climbing.  A lot of new countries on the tally, which is really worrying.  I thought this could stay relatively contained, but it looks like it's going to be a global phenonemon.

Get plenty of sleep and wash your hands regularly, everyone!

Quote from: Shiranu on January 31, 2020, 07:43:25 PM
Also, this is what things like the Spanish Flu and Black Death are so, so, so, SO important to teach about instead of sweeping under the rug like we do; large scale diseases like this are incredibly historically prevalent and not at all shocking in the slightest if you know your history. I mean, only a hundred years ago between 50-100 million people died to the flu... now consider how much smaller the Earth's population was and how it wasn't nearly as interlinked as it is today.

The flu is always terrifying, but tuberculosis... that one is truly terrifying and the most likely to really fuck humanity up sooner rather than later.

Quote from: Shiranu on January 31, 2020, 07:18:07 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty much fucked if it spreads. I face-to-face interact with several hundred people a day, 4-5 days a week, handling cash.

Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 07:47:10 PM
Living near the Navajo Reservation ... they get tuberculosis easy if they spend time in a dirt floor hogan, instead of a trailer.  Otherwise this is pretty uncommon in the US.

Quote from: Shiranu on January 31, 2020, 08:17:27 PM
For now. But if it evolves, as it is prone to do... look out.

Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2020, 07:45:27 PM


Like I said, turmeric and ginger soup is good for the respiratory system.

Quote from: Baruch on January 29, 2020, 07:28:09 PM
Soup made with turmeric and ginger kills respiratory problems.

Quote from: Mermaid on February 01, 2020, 10:27:34 AM
How? Do you have any data?

Quote from: Sal1981 on February 01, 2020, 11:55:09 AM
Seems like it's an escaped biotech weapon.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 01, 2020, 01:31:15 PM
I doubt it will be any worse than SARS or MERS. I guess it's the uncertainty that is causing concern, because we just don't know the future, and we're prone to fear because we like being scared.

Quote from: Mermaid on February 01, 2020, 04:15:46 PM
We know little about the virus, including where it originated, and know that it has potential to become a global pandemic. I see nothing wrong with the alarm bells.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 01, 2020, 01:31:15 PM
I doubt it will be any worse than SARS or MERS. I guess it's the uncertainty that is causing concern, because we just don't know the future, and we're prone to fear because we like being scared.

Quote from: Munch on February 01, 2020, 04:30:17 PM
Well then your just kinda following the fearmongering of mainstream news who use that fear to get your attention. The same thing happened with all recent outbreaks, sars, mers, ebola, bird flu, mad cow disease, yellow fever. These things exist, and still exist, but have been controlled and reduced, and all those diseases had the same chance of death as this one.
So really, what are we more likely to die of, a disease, getting hit by a car, or a heart attack? Any really, so there's little point thinking human race will be wiped out tomorrow just because a paper wants you to think that.

Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2020, 04:57:55 PM
International medical community: "This is a serious issue of international concern, and all countries need to take this very seriously or it could explode into something far beyond our ability to handle."

Random people on the internet: "IT'S ALL THE MEDIA TRYING TO SCARE YOU!!!!"

Who to believe, who to believe...

Quote from: Munch on February 01, 2020, 04:30:17 PM
Well then your just kinda following the fearmongering of mainstream news who use that fear to get your attention. The same thing happened with all recent outbreaks, sars, mers, ebola, bird flu, mad cow disease, yellow fever. These things exist, and still exist, but have been controlled and reduced, and all those diseases had the same chance of death as this one.
So really, what are we more likely to die of, a disease, getting hit by a car, or a heart attack? Any really, so there's little point thinking human race will be wiped out tomorrow just because a paper wants you to think that.

Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2020, 04:57:55 PM
International medical community: "This is a serious issue of international concern, and all countries need to take this very seriously or it could explode into something far beyond our ability to handle."

Random people on the internet: "IT'S ALL THE MEDIA TRYING TO SCARE YOU!!!!"

Who to believe, who to believe...

Quote from: Munch on February 01, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
The international medical communities are taking it seriously, just like that did with all other pandemics.
So maybe calm your tits and have a little trust in this thing being handled, rather then thinking it's coming to get you while you sleep?

Unlike yourself I've actually got an added medical issue that could create even worse complications if infected, should I wall myself up ever flu season because of that?

Quote from: Mermaid on February 01, 2020, 05:16:23 PM
Why is it a problem to sound the alarms? You say it's fearmongering, but we do not know enough to make that assessment.

Quote from: Munch on February 01, 2020, 05:19:22 PM
I didnt say alarms or awareness made of the disease shouldn't be made. I said just calm down, since theres always a new pandemic every year or so. And as a species we've not had another black death for some time.

QuoteThe international medical communities are taking it seriously, just like that did with all other pandemics.

QuoteSo maybe calm your tits and have a little trust in this thing being handled, rather then thinking it's coming to get you while you sleep?

Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2020, 05:35:50 PM
I... know... that's literally why I mentioned it.

Let's assume that's how I feel about it (it's not), what does that have to do with you claiming the media is the only one saying this is an issue when the international medical community says the same?

Quote from: Munch on February 01, 2020, 05:17:08 PM
The international medical communities are taking it seriously, just like that did with all other pandemics.
So maybe calm your tits and have a little trust in this thing being handled, rather then thinking it's coming to get you while you sleep?

Unlike yourself I've actually got an added medical issue that could create even worse complications if infected, should I wall myself up ever flu season because of that?

Quote from: Mike Cl on February 01, 2020, 12:19:23 PM
Read the first couple of chapters of The Stand by Stephen King to get an idea of how this can go down.

Quote from: Baruch on February 01, 2020, 10:33:16 AM
Health food market.  Raw tumeric and raw ginger.  Not the processed kind.

Quote from: Mike Cl on February 01, 2020, 06:15:06 PM
Maybe you should calm your tits.  Someone who wants real info about a situation so one can take reasonable measures to prevent something is not fear mongering.  If there is something one can do to present less of a target, then why not know what those measures are?  If you are not worried about it, then don't stress.

Quote from: Munch on February 01, 2020, 10:01:05 PM
medical practitioners will give you insight into that. Don't turn to newspapers on how bad something is in this regard. Although I would say again stressing out about another pandemic in the world isn't a healthy path in itself since stress will just fuck up your natural immune system anyway, seen enough of what stress does to a person in my own family and friends.

Quote from: Mike Cl on February 02, 2020, 10:03:10 AM
I agree with that, Munch.  but I don't think Mermaid was pulling a Hennie Penney running around screaming the sky is falling.  She is/was simply trying to figure out how real the threat is, and if so, what to do about it.  I'm in the same boat.  I am concerned that the WHO is as concerned as it is--but so far, all I can do is to simply wash my hands a bunch and don't touch my face.  Am I stressed?  No.  Am I concerned?  Yes--I have family who are in the beginning and middle of their lives who could  be greatly impacted--not too worried abut myself.

Quote from: Munch on February 02, 2020, 12:47:17 PM
now see if you say you had family who are more vulnerable to these things, or you yourself are more vulnerable to diseases, then it is actually perfectly understandable the concern over it. And if I had family in heavy struct regions of the disease, it would stress me out too thinking of their safety.

Quote from: Baruch on February 02, 2020, 05:43:11 PM
People with lung problems ... smokers particularly.

Quote from: Munch on February 02, 2020, 10:28:48 PM
just seems funny for all china's wealth and control, the cure comes from another country, ha.

Quote from: Munch on February 02, 2020, 10:28:48 PM
just seems funny for all china's wealth and control, the cure comes from another country, ha.

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on February 04, 2020, 02:29:15 AM
First case to officially show up in Belgium.

Gentlemen, it has been an honor.

Quote from: aitm on February 05, 2020, 08:26:41 AM
well we simply need to build a bigger wall.....

Quote from: aitm on February 05, 2020, 08:26:41 AM
well we simply need to build a bigger wall.....

Quote from: aitm on February 05, 2020, 11:37:46 AM
Whats to prevent the evil chinese overlord wannabees' from infecting all our "made in china" MAGA hats? Or the new air jordans.....or who ever is the new nba guy with a massive shoe presence.

Quote from: Munch on February 05, 2020, 08:52:19 PM
considering most western retail outlets get their cloths from china, I'd just suggest not buying anything new period for a while.

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 06, 2020, 12:35:53 AM
Don't freak out and be sure to take this with bucket full of salt, but tencent briefly reported much higher coronavirus infections/deaths (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3871594) before adjusting those figures to the official government statistics.  I dunno if these sorts of allegations have merit, though this is definitely something that should be looked into in the fullness of time.

Quote from: Baruch on February 07, 2020, 11:38:29 AM
Coming to a totalitarian location near you ... Big Doctor, not Big Brother

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-eM4IM-PfY

Dean Koontz, American author, wrote a novel, The Eyes Of Darkness, in 1981, that foreshadows what we see now in Wuhan.  Though the fictional virus weapon is much more effective than the real virus.

Quote from: SGOS on February 06, 2020, 08:58:25 AMGovernments lie.  They have the power to do it.

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2020, 11:03:18 PM
And the earlier reports that said that coronavirus can be transmitted before the onset of symptoms is apparently false (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/05/health/wuhan-coronavirus-flawed-report/index.html).

That's good news.  But it once again underscores the need for reliable information and problem of spreading false information online.  My bad.  :(

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 08, 2020, 01:39:01 AM
The Kung Flu really isn't any more dangerous than regular flu.

I had a conspiracy theorist try to tell me this is an accidentally released bio-weapon.  It's a pretty crappy bio-weapon if it is.

Quote from: Jason Harvestdancer on February 08, 2020, 01:39:01 AM
The Kung Flu really isn't any more dangerous than regular flu.

I had a conspiracy theorist try to tell me this is an accidentally released bio-weapon.  It's a pretty crappy bio-weapon if it is.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2020, 01:25:15 PM
It's not necessary to imagine government (or other) weapons, nature can, and does, do quite well on its own bringing these things to us - with no malice at all.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 08, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
Nature is not hostile, it's completely indifferent. It couldn't care less if we live or die, suffer or thrive.

Quote from: Baruch on February 09, 2020, 12:13:21 AM
but ... you mirror that in your own attitude?  Sorry, as a humanist, I will always side with people, no matter how stupid they are ;-)

QuoteThe Kung Flu really isn't any more dangerous than regular flu.

Quote from: Shiranu on February 09, 2020, 09:02:23 AM
I have no idea what the Kung Flu is, but if you mean the Wuhan Flu then that is just statistically wrong by every metric.

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on February 09, 2020, 06:00:45 PM
This year's flu season has had a mortality rate of about 7%, while the novel coronavirus ("Kung Flu") is closer to 2%. It is literally less than a third as deadly.

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 09, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
A pretty glaring difference is that there are vaccines for the regular flu.

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on February 09, 2020, 06:00:45 PM
This year's flu season has had a mortality rate of about 7%, while the novel coronavirus ("Kung Flu") is closer to 2%. It is literally less than a third as deadly.

Quote from: aitm on February 10, 2020, 09:42:29 PM
Lard, help us!,,

Quote from: Munch on February 13, 2020, 05:52:31 AM
Been one or two more popping up in the UK, but their people who came back from Wuhan and doctors facilities where a patient was taken in suspected of it, so far it's being pretty well contained

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on February 13, 2020, 01:57:25 AM
Up to 14 cases now in the US, but the new ones cropped up in the quarantine facilities which isn't too surprising. The CDC's pretty much got this thing locked down, and for that I am thankful. At least someone has the damned thing under control.

Quote from: Munch on February 13, 2020, 03:38:01 PM
Update my boyfriend just showed me this example of Darwinism at work.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-face-mask-shortage-threatens-uk-dentists-11933071

Quote from: Baruch on February 15, 2020, 05:59:19 AM
"There are now 15 confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the US and more than 600 people remain in quarantine." ... not just military medicine has been activated but ...

"People in the US experiencing flu-like symptoms will be screened for the latest coronavirus that originated from China, officials with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced during a briefing on Friday, adding that it will roll out 5 labs, in Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco and Seattle, to screen patients through the ominously sounding "national flu surveillance program"; if that wasn't bad enough, they also said the program is likely to expand as more confirmed cases are expected in the coming days and weeks.

Justifying the move, CDC officials said that there could be undetected cases of the mysterious illness in communities across the US, as the country experiences a dramatic spike in flu as the season approaches its halfway point.

The agency plans to expand to more cities until it has achieved "national surveillance"."

Quote from: Shiranu on February 17, 2020, 01:37:08 PM
Glad I didn't go to the doctor when I was sick the last two weeks then. Probably would have been quarantined with someone who actually had it.

Quote from: Baruch on February 17, 2020, 11:26:12 PM
Los Alamos gets to jump the shark ...

"Los Alamos Experts Warn Covid-19 "Almost Certainly Cannot Be Contained", Project Up To 4.4 Million Dead" ... of course mostly in Third World countries, currently being exploited by Chinese neo-colonialism.  Coincidence?

Quote from: aitm on February 18, 2020, 08:54:01 AM
Well i for one am self inoculating with every version of Corona that they make. Should make for a nice couple night drunks.

Quote from: Munch on February 20, 2020, 03:18:57 AM
Yes, better it hit a totalitarian society with a lot of money and control then a poor nation. However it's also a case that because of in the Chinese culture people think they can kill and eat anything they want, it's as much to blame for why the virus spread in the first place, if that hubris lead to people eating something they really shouldn't.

Quote from: Munch on February 20, 2020, 03:18:57 AM
Yes, better it hit a totalitarian society with a lot of money and control then a poor nation. However it's also a case that because of in the Chinese culture people think they can kill and eat anything they want, it's as much to blame for why the virus spread in the first place, if that hubris lead to people eating something they really shouldn't.

Quote from: Shiranu on February 20, 2020, 02:02:56 PM
Not even a poor nation; imagine a similar outbreak happening in the U.S. or U.K. , or most of Europe... do you think the people would stand for the massive quarantines? That the governments would be willing to take the massive public image hit of doing what it takes to contain it?

I'm not sure about that. And yes, this one came from really shitty standards and is a self-inflicted wound... but the plague is due another round, and it could start anywhere.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 21, 2020, 01:24:17 PM
I guess that's moderately better than self-immolating.

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 21, 2020, 11:56:53 PM
US hits 35. (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/21/health/cdc-coronavirus-update/index.html)  Quite a jump from 14.  Of those 21, 18 are from the Diamond Princess and 3 are from Japan.  Hopefully, these stay under wraps and don't spread any further.

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 22, 2020, 07:30:24 PM
Coronavirus compared to selected other outbreaks:

https://i.imgur.com/McngqWL.mp4

Granted, it's no Spanish Flu, but it's no joke, either.

Quote from: Munch on February 24, 2020, 03:12:03 PM
My boyfriend has an online friend from Italy who was telling him what it's like where he lives (forgot the town name), that his local town is a ghost town, everyones locked themselves indoors

Quote from: Sal1981 on February 24, 2020, 07:30:16 PM
Now, nearly a month later, there are now 79.571 cases of the Covid-19 coronavirus.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 25, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Well, people have been predicting for some time that nature would have the last laugh. Maybe that's what's about to happen.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 25, 2020, 01:41:08 PM
Well, people have been predicting for some time that nature would have the last laugh. Maybe that's what's about to happen.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 25, 2020, 06:02:37 PM
Well, Trump says everything is under control, so I guess we don't have anything to worry about...

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
C.D.C. Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us.html



It may be worse than I thought - and I'm a pessimist.

Quote from: GSOgymrat on February 26, 2020, 04:55:57 PM
How religion is playing a role in the spread of coronavirus in Korea

https://qz.com/1808390/religion-is-at-the-heart-of-koreas-coronavirus-outbreak/

Religion is at the center of many lives in Korea. Now it’s at the center of a rapidly spreading contagion.

The largest number of Covid-19 infections outside of China is now in Korea. Health officials there have confirmed more than 1,000 cases and the virus has so far killed 11 people. About half those cases are linked to the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, a group the government describes as a cult, prompting officials to test all 200,000 of its followers.

Authorities linked another cluster of cases to a church in the southern city of Busan, and yet another to a group of Catholic pilgrims returning from Israel. The virus also infected a number of people at the Myeongseong megachurch in Seoul, which has 80,000 congregants.

In response, the Catholic Church today suspended all masses in Korea. Buddhist temples and Protestant churches around the country have also suspended religious gatherings. Shincheonji halted its services too. The moves to limit religious activity in Korea are by no means specific to Koreaâ€"churches and temples in Singapore and Hong Kong have made similar decisions. But organized religion has played a far bigger role in the spread of Covid-19 in Korea.

Explaining the linkages between religion and the outbreak in Korea, Francis Jae-ryong Song, a professor in sociology at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, described the country as a “zealous Christian state.” She said many Korean Christians have an “evangelical mindset” and their religious activities, like attending worship sessions and outreach multiple times a week, and their unwillingness to curb those activities, may have led to the large-scale spread of the contagion. ...

Quote from: Baruch on February 26, 2020, 05:58:13 PM
people taste like chicken ;-)

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2020, 06:07:29 PM
How do chickens taste?









With their tongues, just like people!


LOL

Quote from: Munch on February 26, 2020, 06:30:35 PM
boyfriend told me how there was a report of a school in northern ireland where a student had come back from italy, and it caused the school to shut and all students, parents and teachers to be tested for the virus.
Thankfully there were no reported cases, guess the student came back before it hit areas of italy.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
C.D.C. Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the U.S.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us.html



It may be worse than I thought - and I'm a pessimist.

Quote from: trdsf on February 27, 2020, 01:28:29 AM
It is worse than you thought: the Orange Disaster Area has put Ayatollah Pence in charge of the American coronavirus response (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51654494).  I would much rather it be someone who accepted science, and didn't have a nonzero chance of suggesting we pray our way out of it.

Quote from: Baruch on February 27, 2020, 03:49:26 PM
Ability of this virus to penetrate cells is many times more efficient than SARS, uses technique found in Ebola and Aids.

Quote from: fencerider on February 27, 2020, 07:40:16 PM
you make it sound like the corona virus researched Ebola before it began its attackðŸ¤"

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on February 27, 2020, 10:19:54 PM
Or it was engineered that way...

Quote from: aitm on February 28, 2020, 07:51:16 AM
Trump will take credit for creating jobs replacing the stiffs lost to the virus. Then claim he got them raises due to demand. The man is a genius.

Quote from: Munch on February 27, 2020, 10:43:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGW1iL88Fws

Uh ooooooh

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 28, 2020, 01:55:20 PM
If the stock market goes down Trump loses money, and that's the only thing he cares about.

Quote from: Munch on February 28, 2020, 03:18:12 PM
my boyfriend feels concerned, not because of getting the virus, but what its gonna do to the stock market, given he works in a bank dealing with people internationally.

Quote from: Munch on February 28, 2020, 03:18:12 PM
my boyfriend feels concerned, not because of getting the virus, but what its gonna do to the stock market, given he works in a bank dealing with people internationally.

Quote from: Mermaid on February 28, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
I have dropped 30 grand in 4 days. I am with your boyfriend.

Quote from: Mermaid on February 28, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
I have dropped 30 grand in 4 days.

Quote from: Mermaid on February 28, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
I have dropped 30 grand in 4 days. I am with your boyfriend.

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 29, 2020, 12:16:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/rmu0WeC.png)

Infection, "recovery", reinfection.  Fun times.  This is like some 28 Weeks Later stuff right here.

Quote from: Baruch on February 29, 2020, 02:01:09 AM
Even Imelda Marcos ran out of closet space.

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 29, 2020, 01:46:56 PM

Yeah, 5000 pairs of shoes are hard to store, once you get them home from the store.

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on February 06, 2020, 03:08:28 PM
It looks like Washington State might be out of the woods. The man in Snohomish County who got infected has mostly recovered, and there's still no evidence that he infected anyone else.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 01, 2020, 03:49:38 PM
About that... (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/01/coronavirus-hundreds-may-be-infected-washington-state/4923129002/)

Quote from: Munch on March 01, 2020, 04:11:36 PM
Got a text from my doctor's clinic, one put out to all, that if anyone develops flu like symptoms to not come to any clinic and instead contact an emergency number.

There's been no reported cases in my town yet, but have been in a few others

Quote from: Munch on March 02, 2020, 07:00:49 AM
Reports are saying some university professors claiming they think 70% of humanity could become infected, however the reason for this is because strains of the virus could be infecting people without them showing any symptoms, so basically carriers. Meaning you might have it and spread it and not even know it.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 03, 2020, 03:18:39 PM
Wasn't the Medicare age requirement supposed to have dropped little by little until everyone was covered?

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 03, 2020, 08:05:01 PM
It was 'fun' at the local Costco.  Had at least a dozen people pushing the large flatbed carts, most full of cases of water and TP--and half these yahoo's were wearing masks. Clorox wipes have been sold out for 3/4 days already.  Long lines--it looked like people prepping for the end of the world.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 02, 2020, 08:59:22 PM
The CDC just released someone who tested positive on Corona into my community this weekend, and they went straight to one of our malls. San Antonio has already said that they are prepared to essentially put the city under martial law.

Quote from: Munch on March 04, 2020, 04:24:12 PM
https://www.vice.com/en_in/article/xgq5ew/coronavirus-porn-going-viral-pornhub-xhamster

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 04, 2020, 01:29:49 AM
Feel like we're playing a AF version of 'pandemic'.

Quote from: trdsf on March 04, 2020, 08:35:53 PM
No reported cases in Ohio yet.

That said, it occurs to me that I placed an order for some fountain pens before the outbreak was recognized as a problem, and they're being shipped from $SOMEWHERE_IN_CHINA.  I doubt that acrylic pens can act as a carrier, but I am mildly concerned.

Quote from: Munch on March 04, 2020, 09:09:46 PM
just incase do what I'm gonna do, stock up on things like canned foods, packets of instant noodles and soups, and oatmeal, stuff that'll keep for weeks incase you need to self quarantine

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 05, 2020, 11:35:14 AM
A manager puts up a point I think is missed a lot of the times:

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1235192497162399744 (https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1235192497162399744)

Quote from: Munch on March 05, 2020, 12:34:02 PM
Still, his point is made, it shouldn't come from politicians and celebrities, it needs to come from experts who known what their saying. I'm prepared to self quarantine if need be because most doctors here are saying if you think you have it don't go to a doctors surgery with it.

I was reading a report today about a store chain here in the UK, one that's in my town called Wilko, and it's declared it will not give sick pay to workers off with the virus, to it's 21000 workers. Shit like this needs to be called into question by authorities, because if people working in shops are forcing themselves to come into work at a store because not working will mean they can't make money to live off of, then the store is right out allowing the virus to spread to customers.

It's funny because in the UK, if a child so much as sneezes in a classroom, health and safety might deem a school a hazard and close it, but a busy store with hundreds of customers coming though each day would expect it's sick workers to work and infect the public.

Quote from: Baruch on March 05, 2020, 12:44:31 PM
Roger-Wilco,over and out!

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 05, 2020, 01:42:52 PM

Typical Baruch.  Translation:
(Roger-Wilco)-hear you and will comply; (over)--talk; (and out)--shut up.
Baruch so loves to spin his wheels and say exactly nothing.

Quote from: Munch on March 05, 2020, 12:34:02 PM
I was reading a report today about a store chain here in the UK, one that's in my town called Wilko, and it's declared it will not give sick pay to workers off with the virus, to it's 21000 workers. Shit like this needs to be called into question by authorities, because if people working in shops are forcing themselves to come into work at a store because not working will mean they can't make money to live off of, then the store is right out allowing the virus to spread to customers.

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 05, 2020, 04:48:48 PM
This is an example of why you can't trust corporations with the welfare of citizens. Universal and comprehensive healthcare coverage and a universal basic income would provide a safety net for people so they could weather emergencies like an epidemic without becoming destitute. It would relieve companies, especially small businesses, from the financial burden of providing private healthcare plans and other costly benefits. Let the government keep it's citizens healthy and safe while corporations focus on making profits.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 05, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
Washington orders insurance companies to waive copays, deductibles for coronavirus testing (https://q13fox.com/2020/03/05/washington-orders-insurance-companies-to-waive-copays-deductibles-for-coronavirus-testing/)

Communism!  How can we possibly afford this as a country, we're practically stretched to our limit over here!  *kicks the wars and tax cuts for the rich under the rug*

Quote from: Baruch on March 06, 2020, 11:26:48 AM
Hard math ...

Quote from: Baruch on March 08, 2020, 12:27:13 AM
More happy thoughts ...

"With Patients 'By About May 8th' Due To Coronavirus: Analysis" ... one estimate when the US runs out of hospital beds.  Don't know if this is ICU or all hospital beds.  But the timing is about right.  Fortunately my Ex just complied her operation last month.  So if you have a surgery scheduled, you might want to recheck availability.

""It's Like Scenes From A Mad Max Movie" - Americans Continue Epic Run On Costco" ... this only happens in Ausi-American neighborhoods ;-)

"Police Quarantine California Neighborhood After Coronavirus Death" ... just quarantine the whole state.  Don't let any more Californians migrate ;-)

""It's An Awful Situation": Washington Moves To Take Over Nursing Home At Epicenter Of Outbreak" ... mother passed in nursing home 3 years ago.  But friend has mother-in-law in a nursing home.  Will pray for her.

Quote from: popeyespappyIf it gets really bad to the point where the healthcare system becomes overwhelmed you can expect the death rate to go up. One of the MSM networks did an interview last night with a doctor that was worried about the availability of ventilators. The doctor said they were already looking at how to put 2 people on a single ventilator. If it spreads beyond that point they'll be stacking dead old people like cord wood in the hallways.

Numbers are hard to come by, but according to one study in 2009 there were only about 78,000 critical care beds in US hospitals. That number represented a 15% growth since 2000. Assuming the same growth rate between we would be looking at about 91,000 critical care beds today. Another study said that in 2015 critical care beds made up about 14.1% of the total. A different place says we currently have about 924,000 total hospital beds so 14.1% of of that is about 130,000. In any case we don't have 150,000 critical care beds and at any given point in time a lot of them are occupied by people with other problems so the total available for critical COVID-19 patients is only going to be a fraction of the total. None of that even takes into account a significant portion of the medical staff being unavailable because they are sick.

BTW according to the same news segment some areas are already seeing shortages of antibiotics because the Chinese plants that make most of the ingredients are shut down. While that does not affect Corona virus patients it sure could affect a lot of other sick people.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
I've never been big on the whole, "Texas should leave the union" idea (for as much as I joke about how superiour Texas is to everyone else, I do think we are better part of the Union than outside it), but...

The way the federal government is being run, the way they are telling all the states, "Sorry buddy, your on your own!" dealing with this pandemic, the way the released infected people into our community, I really do believe that is grounds to say, "Fine, fuck you too."

We are the most prepared state in the union for this outbreak and they are getting in the way, we pay more in taxes than we receive in benefits, we are the 10th largest economy in the world... the U.S. needs us alot more than we need them and they sure as fuck aren't showing us any respect.

QuoteRemember LBJ?

Quote from: Munch on March 08, 2020, 09:44:11 AM
It is fascinating to watch how the populous reacts during this time.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:56:27 AM
I do, and I hope to god we get someone like him soon.

Quote from: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
That is sarc, right??  LBJ was the worst President in my lifetime.  Fraudulent welfare plan to put African-Americans on a new plantation, draft African-American men to an unnecessary war just to slaughter Asian people?  His hands are covered in blood.  Hope to get Ike back (no hope there).

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
I've never been big on the whole, "Texas should leave the union" idea (for as much as I joke about how superiour Texas is to everyone else, I do think we are better part of the Union than outside it), but...

The way the federal government is being run, the way they are telling all the states, "Sorry buddy, your on your own!" dealing with this pandemic, the way the released infected people into our community, I really do believe that is grounds to say, "Fine, fuck you too."

We are the most prepared state in the union for this outbreak and they are getting in the way, we pay more in taxes than we receive in benefits, we are the 10th largest economy in the world... the U.S. needs us alot more than we need them and they sure as fuck aren't showing us any respect.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 09, 2020, 04:06:34 PM
More like 13th if you don't count California. Below South Korea and above Spain. 14th if you count California which is about 70% more than Texas They would be 6th below India and ahead of the UK. Cali, like Texas, is a net giver. They send more than they receive from the fed.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 09, 2020, 01:54:15 PM
So...does anyone know why people are suddenly hoarding TP like Smaug with treasure?

Asking for a friend who needs to poop.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 02:14:14 PM
Ike would be considered way too far left for today's Republican party.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 02:14:49 PM
Tell him to be a man, and use his hand!   LOL

Quote from: Munch on March 09, 2020, 03:08:31 PM
Simply, with health officials and politicians telling people they might need to self quarantine, it's making people become mad shoppers buying out all long term items, since if they can't go to the shops they want to hoard it. And the idea of running out of something to wipe themselves with is causing mass buying of TP.

Even my own mother ordered a 64 stack of TP on eBay she told me.

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 09, 2020, 03:44:55 PM
52 cruise ships are gonna dock here during the summer. It's only a matter of time before Covid-19 comes here.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 04:48:53 PM
How long before Trump institutes martial law, like some other countries are doing?

Quote from: Munch on March 09, 2020, 05:06:14 PM
My local towns paper already announced 2, maybe 3 people are confirmed to have it and in our local county hospital.

Guess I should take up on that TP early and get more tins of soup and pasta tomorrow.

Quote from: Munch on March 09, 2020, 05:06:14 PM
My local towns paper already announced 2, maybe 3 people are confirmed to have it and in our local county hospital.

Guess I should take up on that TP early and get more tins of soup and pasta tomorrow.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 09, 2020, 04:08:56 PM
I heard that Ted Cruz may have been exposed

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 09, 2020, 05:31:52 PM
239 cases in Belgium already

I'm practically already dead.

Quote from: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 09:59:26 PM
Cotton bales will also be available, cheap!

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 09, 2020, 11:00:42 PM
Growing up in cotton country, I've always thought a person could make a decent living handpicking the cotton left in the fields by the combines. There is a shitload of it left in the fields.

You'd go to jail for stealing someone's cotton, but there's a lot of it out there. Huge waste.

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 09, 2020, 11:45:32 PM
San Francisco State just shut down.  The City banned all meetings of 1,000 or more.  Italy shut down.  Ireland canceled St. Pats celebrations.  And this country has trump to protect us--we are setting pretty right now!

Quote from: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:55:59 PM
Funny enough, I still know people at work who think the only reason anyone is concerned about this is because they are racists against Chinese people...

*sigh*

Quote from: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 01:46:09 PMThat is sarc, right??  LBJ was the worst President in my lifetime.  Fraudulent welfare plan to put African-Americans on a new plantation, draft African-American men to an unnecessary war just to slaughter Asian people?  His hands are covered in blood.  Hope to get Ike back (no hope there).

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 09, 2020, 11:00:42 PM
Growing up in cotton country, I've always thought a person could make a decent living handpicking the cotton left in the fields by the combines. There is a shitload of it left in the fields.

You'd go to jail for stealing someone's cotton, but there's a lot of it out there. Huge waste.

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 09, 2020, 11:45:32 PM
San Francisco State just shut down.  The City banned all meetings of 1,000 or more.  Italy shut down.  Ireland canceled St. Pats celebrations.  And this country has trump to protect us--we are setting pretty right now!

Quote from: Baruch on March 09, 2020, 09:27:24 PM
I thought Belgium has a population larger than 300 people ;-)  On the map it looks bigger than Andorra, Monaco, San Marino or Lichtenstein ;-))  Mercator map projection distortion?

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 03:43:25 PM
I expected the Democrats to be blamed, and I was right:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXhLdP5KtdE

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 02:11:40 PM
Trump believes he knows all about epidemiology because his uncle John was a physicist at M.I.T.!  LOL


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G._Trump

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:24:56 PM
Too bad they don't give a Nobel prize for BS - you'd win it hands down!  LOL

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:15:02 PM
Yeah, that and she needs to grow a brain.

Quote from: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:28:42 PM
So, I doubt you more and more!  Are you not really in San Fran?  Not really homeless?  Not really as ugly/un-girlfriended as Quasimodo?  Just another Native-American crisis actor?

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 10, 2020, 04:30:33 PM
Her estimated net worth is $20 million, so she is smart enough to know how to play to people's anxieties and tribal affiliations for fame and profit. She's like a televangelist.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:32:09 PM

"Great doubts...deep wisdom. Small doubts... little wisdom." - old Chinese proverb

Quote from: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
Gotta sell soap.  Tide - New & Improved.  In politics, sell votes.  Are you opposed to sales people?

Quote from: Baruch on March 10, 2020, 04:35:56 PM
I knew you were the crazy mad virologist in China who started this! ;-)

Quote from: Edgar Allen PoeTrue! --nervous --very, very dreadfully nervous I had been and am; but why will you say that I am mad? The disease had sharpened my senses --not destroyed --not dulled them. Above all was the sense of hearing acute. I heard all things in the heaven and in the earth. I heard many things in hell. How, then, am I mad? Hearken! and observe how healthily --how calmly I can tell you the whole story.

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 10, 2020, 04:39:55 PM
Certainly not! Everyone has to make a living. Let's just cognizant of what's being sold and whether or not we want to buy it.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 10, 2020, 04:47:27 PM
Their savior, Trump, will save them! He's got all the best super powers!

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 11, 2020, 12:39:10 AM
Its funny how idotic humans like Trump are. I mean seriously the reason viruses were defeated was because government programs like cdc, and they have less funding because they are "socialist" programs. I'll give the virus a month or two before affected billions and see what the dumbass says then, but by then we will be doomed anyhow.

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 11, 2020, 01:08:57 AM
Thanks to re-infection it's gonna be the next additional virus to the seasonal flu.

Quote from: Baruch on March 11, 2020, 12:34:15 PM
"Merkel Expects 60-70% Of Germans To Be Infected With Coronavirus" ... realistic.  German parliament listened silent and slack-jawed.  So basically like Swine Flu of 10 years ago, only more deadly, particularly for seniors.  Will Germany shut down the whole country, like Italy?

Meanwhile GB Health Secretary has coronavirus.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 11, 2020, 04:26:52 PM
Everyplace I've seen these kind of numbers they were qualified with eventually. As in most people will eventually get infected but for many that will be years from now. Over the course of a lifetime most people will catch the flu, but not everyone at once.

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 11, 2020, 05:59:41 PM
I listened to a podcast today with a physician who was advocating social distancing. I'm considering not going to the gym when we get anyone diagnosed in my city. However, I've read this type of surface contamination has not been of much worry to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention during the COVID-19 outbreak. “Transmission of coronavirus occurs much more commonly through respiratory droplets than through contact with contaminated surfaces,” the agency wrote in its guidance about voting centers. And while mass gatherings are a point of concern, there is evidence that people may overestimate the likelihood of disease spread in shared spaces. I do wear gloves when I lift, so I'm not sure what to think.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 09, 2020, 11:55:59 PM
Funny enough, I still know people at work who think the only reason anyone is concerned about this is because they are racists against Chinese people...

*sigh*

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 11, 2020, 05:29:26 PM
On Social media I keep seeing these people that believe that Recovered is cured,  and you shouldn't worry or panic about coronovirus because it will go away and it's not a problem. Says the supporters of Trumps firing of staff with and budget cuts  on "socialist" programs such as the CDC or WHO. Their the reason America can take it easy, but now we can't. I feel paranoid as soon as the cure arrives, the majority of the population will be diseased and the cure will be marketed for rich people.

Quote from: Munch on March 11, 2020, 06:27:32 PM
Just avoid the gym, or any places with people gathered close together. The number of cases is started to grow in my town, and if it gets to a point it spreads intend to give up doing to bars and restaurants on only ordering shopping in.

Unless you really have to because of work, then just avoiding public gatherings for a few weeks isn't really that much of a sacrifice. Just imagine your living in a hut in northern scotland.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 11, 2020, 07:04:10 PM
A few days ago, I talked to someone who was aghast that I went out for Chinese food.  I just now realize I could've countered by asking if they boycott Olive Garden. L'esprit d'escalier.

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 11, 2020, 05:59:41 PM
I listened to a podcast today with a physician who was advocating social distancing.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 13, 2020, 02:20:53 AM
With Texas State shut down, I'm now likely unemployed for the next three weeks, if not more.

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 13, 2020, 08:00:43 AM
Welp, 3 cases already here in the Faroes, and they came here from Denmark since Monday with airplane travel and one of them was at work in a kindergarten, so everyone there is in quarantine. A LOT of people. That was quicker than I anticipated. Denmark is a red area too with the highest per capita new infections. So I bought some stuff to last us a couple of weeks. I'll probably get it if I go out into the public, because the complacency here is baffling. There were no measures taken in the local grocery store were I went to, so I made sure to clean my hands and stuff I had touched when I came back home.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 13, 2020, 02:20:53 AM
With Texas State shut down, I'm now likely unemployed for the next three weeks, if not more.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 13, 2020, 04:58:28 PM
Alan Grayson was right: the Republican health care plan is "don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly."

QuotePresident Donald Trump has said he is likely to take a test for the coronavirus after all.Trump over the weekend was near Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro’s communications director, Fábio Wajngarten, who tested positive for the virus just days later.White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement Thursday that “both the President and Vice President had almost no interactions with the individual who tested positive and do not require being tested at this time.”Trump was asked at a press conference Friday if he was being selfish by not undergoing testing, prompting Trump to reply: “I didn’t say I wasn’t going to be tested.”“Most likely, yeah,” Trump added while downplaying his interaction with the Brazilian official at this resort in Florida. “Not for that reason, but because I think I will do it anyway. Fairly soon, we’re working out a schedule.”

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 13, 2020, 07:15:56 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the guys with carts come around, yelling "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!"

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 13, 2020, 08:07:32 PM
China stopped reporting new cases.

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 13, 2020, 08:07:32 PM
China stopped reporting new cases.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 13, 2020, 07:15:56 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the guys with carts come around, yelling "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!"

Quote from: Shiranu on March 13, 2020, 08:55:29 PM
I keep on seeing people saying how great it is how their cases have just been declining and declining, that the quarantine  are working...

Or maybe, just maybe, the Communist Party is...*gasp*... lying.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 14, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
China is now blaming the United States for the Coronavirus.

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 14, 2020, 11:29:51 AM
They're burning Covid-19 patients alive in mobile crematoriums now.

Quote from: Munch on March 14, 2020, 09:12:13 PM
New reports are coming out here, that in 20 days the government are going to start giving warnings and rules that anyone over the age of 70 needs to remain inside, for upward of 4 months, even if not sick.

I'm growing even more concerned now. I pretty much look after my mother, I dunno what i'm expected to do, if I need to confine myself indoors the same way, avoid people to as not to pass anything to her. Plus with my own diabetes if I should start being just as concerned.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 14, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
I've just been informed that the library will be closed for at least 2 weeks, so I won't be around much for a while. I can use my phone, as I'm doing now. I'll have a hard time finding places to charge, though, so I won't be around as much, until things get better.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 14, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
I've just been informed that the library will be closed for at least 2 weeks, so I won't be around much for a while. I can use my phone, as I'm doing now. I'll have a hard time finding places to charge, though, so I won't be around as much, until things get better.

Quote from: Baruch on March 14, 2020, 09:25:22 PM
Hopefully there is a familial or society support for shut-ins in general, not just extreme seniors.

Quote from: Unbeliever on March 14, 2020, 09:20:59 PM
I've just been informed that the library will be closed for at least 2 weeks, so I won't be around much for a while. I can use my phone, as I'm doing now. I'll have a hard time finding places to charge, though, so I won't be around as much, until things get better.

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 15, 2020, 05:41:55 AM
Where I live nothing has happened yet and I'm partying like 1969! Live life if today is your last because as a smoker with diabetes and bronchitis when sick, if caught I'm a dead man.

Quote from: The Columbus Dispatch
To be sure, the Trump administration’s response has been erratic. It’s not just a matter of whether travel restrictions were enacted soon enough or broadly enough â€" experts can disagree on that. It’s the steady stream of misinformation from the president and his political appointees that reminds us just how irresponsible this administration can be.

To proclaim, as the very first cases were surfacing in the U.S., “We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine” was simply foolish and a reminder of Trump’s seeming inability to understand that he can’t make something true just by saying it.

He has contradicted those who do have accurate information, saying inaccurately that the country has the capacity to test anyone who wants to be tested and that a vaccine will be ready in a few months.

Closer to home, Gov. Mike DeWine inspires confidence with regular science-based updates and clear direction on measures to try to keep us safe.

Cancellation of schools, bans on large public gatherings and news of celebrities testing positive for the virus this past week made the seriousness of the situation much more real.

But what Trump most worries about â€" that virus fears and a falling stock market will hurt his reelection chances â€" has been transparently obvious.

Still, his abrupt Wednesday announcement that he will ban most travel from Europe sent the market into another steep dive.

Calling the administration on this malfeasance is legitimate, but a chorus of criticism and blame isn’t helpful.

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As Americans frantically buy stores out of hand sanitizer in an effort to ward off a potentially deadly virus, it’s hard to imagine a better argument for at least some form of national health care. In light of this experience, the wisdom of making vaccines and infectious disease care available to all who might need it seems obvious.

Trump, ever focused on the stock market, has proposed drastic and expensive stimulus measures such as eliminating federal payroll taxes â€" which fund Medicare and Social Security â€" through the end of this year, costing the treasury close to $1 trillion.

He also is interested in “emergency aid” to oil and gas companies hurt by the slump in travel and the drop in oil prices. We hope Congress will consider the hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue and the record profit growth enjoyed by the oil and gas industry in 2019 and make that the nonstarter it should be.

Much more hopeful is a report that Trump is willing to consider reimbursing employers or workers for sick leave made necessary by the virus. Sick leave is another policy priority that should be obvious now.

People who don’t have paid sick leave and can’t afford to go without pay are much less likely to stay home when they might be sick. And the people most likely to have no health insurance or paid sick leave are those in low-paid service jobs â€" cooking and serving food, running cash registers â€" most likely to have broad contact with the public.

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 15, 2020, 03:03:25 PM
I jump at the chance to become famous! Maybe meet some female zombies!

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 15, 2020, 08:42:40 PM
I hope this year screws the republican party to hell.

Quote from: Munch on March 15, 2020, 09:31:48 PM
someone put up a twitter video showing what happened when a large group of monkeys were given a large pile of bread. they all gathered and each monkey only took one loaf and left the pile for the rest to take, all doing the same. The symbolism being even monkeys know about only taking what you need and leaving the rest of everyone else.

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 15, 2020, 10:11:24 PM
Not only monkeys share but read the following:
Now, new research in Science suggests that rats are capable of empathy. The study tested how rats responded when their fellow rats were trapped, and found that they would not only spend time and energy deliberately helping their trapped companions, but they would even share food after liberating them.Dec 8, 2011

Apparently people are less civilized than monkeys and rats.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 16, 2020, 11:53:09 AM
South Korean church hoses the faithful (https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075421/coronavirus-salt-water-spray-infects-46-church-goers)

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 16, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
I was allowed to go to work today.
Tomorrow I stay and work from home.
Wednesday I go to work at the office.
And then I stay home working 'till next week friday, followed by more work from home.
Then I work at the office the wednesday after and that friday as well.

I'm going to go stir crazy. I have to do it. I was thinking about taking a holiday next week monday and just go for a 100km bikeride or something. But even that should be avoided if you can. So I shouldn't.

Quote from: Munch on March 16, 2020, 06:04:17 PM
A lotta people will go crazy with this. Social isolation for extroverts will have some negative feedback.

I do predict a vast amount of trolling coming online

QuoteBasically it's about that a lot of reservations and rules that are enforced in the U.S. are arbitrary and not for the betterment of the people living there, but for the almighty dollar.
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Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 16, 2020, 05:29:25 PM
I was allowed to go to work today.
Tomorrow I stay and work from home.
Wednesday I go to work at the office.
And then I stay home working 'till next week friday, followed by more work from home.
Then I work at the office the wednesday after and that friday as well.

I'm going to go stir crazy. I have to do it. I was thinking about taking a holiday next week monday and just go for a 100km bikeride or something. But even that should be avoided if you can. So I shouldn't.

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 16, 2020, 04:52:38 PM
I came across an interesting article on Slate tangentially related to the Covid-19 virus.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-tsa-liquid-purell-paid-leave-rules.html (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/coronavirus-tsa-liquid-purell-paid-leave-rules.html)

Basically it's about that a lot of reservations and rules that are enforced in the U.S. are arbitrary and not for the betterment of the people living there, but for the almighty dollar.

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 16, 2020, 09:43:39 PM
I wish Americans didn't equate self-protection with firearms.

US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring across the US as fears of possible social unrest amid the coronavirus crisis are prompting some Americans to turn to firearms as a form of self-protection.

“We are experiencing a massive rush to buy guns and ammunition as people feel the need to protect themselves and their families.”

Hyatt said that the type of guns being bought was reflective of the fear prevalent among customers. There was almost no interest in hunting rifles. Instead, people were opting for target guns and there was big demand for AR-15 semi-automatic assault-style rifles. ...

Asked why he thought the spike was happening, Hyatt replied: “Financial meltdown, pandemic, crime, politics … you throw it all into the pot, and you have one hell of a mess.” ...

Amid the rush to stockpile lethal weapons, there were concerns for the safety of children. A sudden increase in guns and rifles in domestic homes could put children at risk through lack of safe storage.

Firearms are already the second most prevalent killer of children in the US after car crashes. In the 14- to 17-year-old bracket, gun injuries are the highest single cause of death, according to research from the University of Michigan school of public health.

Quote from: Munch on March 16, 2020, 08:07:07 PM
The saddest thing about this, here in the uk there's often been adverts about social care, giving care and support to the elderly who might live alone, elderly people without family to visit them, so services looked to supporting them.

The isolation rules in place that anyone over 70 must isolate themselves now for their own safety, for a period of weeks to months, those people who needed that kind of social support are just getting left out to dry up on the tarmac.

I predict the rate of suicide will go up in many countries because of this.

Quote from: Baruch on March 16, 2020, 10:11:46 PM
GB isn't closing their schools.  But I just heard that you have blown off your local elections (including mayor of London) for another 12 months, because of the coronavirus.  Lucky this didn't happen before the major election in December, right? ;-)

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 16, 2020, 09:43:39 PM
I wish Americans didn't equate self-protection with firearms.

US sales of guns and ammunition soar amid coronavirus panic buying

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying

Sales of guns and ammunition are soaring across the US as fears of possible social unrest amid the coronavirus crisis are prompting some Americans to turn to firearms as a form of self-protection.

“We are experiencing a massive rush to buy guns and ammunition as people feel the need to protect themselves and their families.”

Hyatt said that the type of guns being bought was reflective of the fear prevalent among customers. There was almost no interest in hunting rifles. Instead, people were opting for target guns and there was big demand for AR-15 semi-automatic assault-style rifles. ...

Asked why he thought the spike was happening, Hyatt replied: “Financial meltdown, pandemic, crime, politics … you throw it all into the pot, and you have one hell of a mess.” ...

Amid the rush to stockpile lethal weapons, there were concerns for the safety of children. A sudden increase in guns and rifles in domestic homes could put children at risk through lack of safe storage.

Firearms are already the second most prevalent killer of children in the US after car crashes. In the 14- to 17-year-old bracket, gun injuries are the highest single cause of death, according to research from the University of Michigan school of public health.

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on March 17, 2020, 01:09:30 AM
What are they planning to do? Shoot the virus?

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 17, 2020, 03:47:29 AM
They probably think it's gonna be like The Walking Dead.

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on March 17, 2020, 01:09:30 AM
What are they planning to do? Shoot the virus?

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 17, 2020, 07:44:33 AM
even some fiscally conservative Republicans agree that giving money directly to people might be the best response. Today, Senator Mitt Romney proposed sending every U.S. adult a $1,000 check to help with short-term obligationsâ€"rent, groceries, whatever it may be.

Quote from: SGOS on March 17, 2020, 08:22:15 AM
To be fair and consistent with conservative politics, the amount of money doled out to each citizen should be scaled according the the recipients' actual salary.  The CEO of Acme Corp will have much higher debt obligations than than the guy who pours my coffee at Dunkin Donuts.  A thousand dollars doesn't make a day's payment on his yacht.  Fairness dictates that those in the top 1% should receive payments on an order of 10,000 times greater than a social worker or cashier at Walmart, whose lazy asses don't deserve more than a check for $5.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 17, 2020, 07:23:03 AM
Schools are closed here. As of today we are working from home if we can. You can go in to the office if you need to so no layoffs. Yet.

The boss is worried about the sick leave policy currently being discussed in DC. If he has to pay all 266 of us two weeks of sick leave we haven't earned it will probably put the company out of business.

Quote from: SGOS on March 17, 2020, 08:07:10 AM
What is the word Republicans use for socialism when it's their idea?

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 17, 2020, 03:47:29 AM
They probably think it's gonna be like The Walking Dead.

Quote from: Munch on March 17, 2020, 07:00:59 AM
I think their arming themselves to protect from others with guns breaking into their houses and stealing things like toilet paper and hand sanitizer

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 17, 2020, 09:04:27 AM
Today, I go back to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgZd0T6em8Q

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on March 17, 2020, 01:09:30 AM
What are they planning to do? Shoot the virus?

Quote from: Munch on March 17, 2020, 12:47:14 PM
They've been saying in the papers the NHS will begin asking those with diabetes and other health conditions to self quarantine for 12 weeks.

Looks like I'll be joining my mother in purgatory.

Quote from: Munch on March 17, 2020, 07:34:07 PM
Politicians will only care about politics, even when people are dying or sick around them.

They can't help it, it's how their programmed. It's why no politician should represent anyone

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 17, 2020, 07:49:44 PM
Trump and some Republicans are considering a $1000 check as part of a coronavirus stimulus package. I read some Democrats are not happy about it because it might positively affect Trump's re-election. I hope the story about the Democrats isn't true.

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 17, 2020, 07:49:44 PM
Trump and some Republicans are considering a $1000 check as part of a coronavirus stimulus package. I read some Democrats are not happy about it because it might positively affect Trump's re-election. I hope the story about the Democrats isn't true.

QuoteCoronavirus outbreak among South Korean churchgoers traced to saltwater spray

Dozens of worshipers at a South Korean church were infected with the coronavirus after a contaminated bottle was used to spray saltwater into their mouths in the belief it would help prevent the spread of the deadly bug, according to a report.

A church official at the River of Grace Community Church in Gyeonggi Province, south of Seoul, inserted the spray bottle into the mouths of the congregants â€" including the pastor and his wife â€" during prayers attended by dozens of followers early this month, according to the South China Morning Post.

“It’s been confirmed that they put the nozzle of the spray bottle inside the mouth of a follower who was later confirmed as a patient, before they did likewise for other followers as well, without disinfecting the sprayer,” local coronavirus task force chief Lee Hee-young said, according to the news site.

“This made it inevitable for the virus to spread,” he said. “They did so out of the false belief that saltwater kills the virus.”

The place of worship was eventually closed and all those who attended the prayer services were being tested for COVID-19.

On Monday, South Korea confirmed 74 new cases, bringing its total to 8,236, but the number of people released from care after making a full recovery has been surpassing the number of new infections.

“It is still too early to relax,” Prime Minister Chung Sye Kyun said. “The government will concentrate its efforts on preventing cluster infections.”

Quote from: Munch on March 17, 2020, 09:11:19 PM
pretty much, its an easy thing to manipulate when people are desperate.

Quote from: Munch on March 17, 2020, 09:16:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1nRMBg5K4c

funny video, but watching a few of these videos of supplies going short, not just in the uk and america but all over the world. It really paints a picture of the kind of society we do live in today.
Theres a video on twitter of an elderly woman in the uk talking about how it was in the blitz and how things were rationed then, things were limited but everyone got an equal share and they survived. She says compared to the blitz, this is unbelievable how selfish people are being.
She also reminded me of what mum once told me, how newpapers were saved and cut into squares and hung up on string in the outhouse back in the day.

I'm keeping all my newspapers now.

QuoteUS Postpones April 15 Tax Deadline By 90 Days

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 18, 2020, 09:32:51 AM
Thanks for posting that. I need to see how I can stop the automatic withdrawal I scheduled.

Quote from: Baruch on March 18, 2020, 02:44:32 PM
PM Johnson closes British schools.  Good luck with that, parents and care givers.

Quote from: aitm on March 18, 2020, 04:11:22 PM
Grandkid school closed for two weeks. She lives with us. Luckily I can afford options. Lots of people going to be in serious trouble. But hey, they gonna give us a whole 1000 bucks.....

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 18, 2020, 04:46:21 PM
This morning it was $2000. By tomorrow it will probably be $500. Not to worry though because whatever they decide on "I can afford options" means you probably won't qualify anyway.

Quote from: aitm on March 18, 2020, 04:11:22 PM
Grandkid school closed for two weeks. She lives with us. Luckily I can afford options. Lots of people going to be in serious trouble. But hey, they gonna give us a whole 1000 bucks.....

Quote from: Munch on March 19, 2020, 08:12:13 AM
What's also got me worried, because I have convinced myself things will be okay long as we self isolate, what's worrying me is the fallout from this after it's finished.

Seeing reports of London looking to go on lockdown, bars, pubs, restaurants, theatres and cinemas closing down and workers for them going into isolation, but several have expressed they now fear so many of these places facing closer without customers.
I don't understand why this would be allowed, obviously places need to pay rent, you'd think the council's would put systems in place so such establishments don't be given foreclosure given the situation.

Quote from: Munch on March 19, 2020, 08:12:13 AM
What's also got me worried, because I have convinced myself things will be okay long as we self isolate, what's worrying me is the fallout from this after it's finished.

Seeing reports of London looking to go on lockdown, bars, pubs, restaurants, theatres and cinemas closing down and workers for them going into isolation, but several have expressed they now fear so many of these places facing closer without customers.
I don't understand why this would be allowed, obviously places need to pay rent, you'd think the council's would put systems in place so such establishments don't be given foreclosure given the situation.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-pandemic-bangladesh-india-muslim-prayer-gathering-healing-verses-a9410476.html

Gotta pack like sardines to beat this easily communicable disease!

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-pandemic-bangladesh-india-muslim-prayer-gathering-healing-verses-a9410476.html

Gotta pack like sardines to beat this easily communicable disease!

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
But hey, it's not all bad.  Air pollution has decreased a lot in Italy (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/air-pollution-clears-in-northern-italy-after-coronavirus-lockdown-satellite-shows) and China (and presumably, other places that have hunkered down to stop the spread of disease)

I went outside for a brief walk and I was amazed at what seemed like much more nature activity than normal - more and louder birdsongs than I remember.  It could have just seemed like more than it was because of the lack of competing human noise.  Or scaring them away.  Or bad memory.  But it definitely seemed like nature was more active and vibrant than previously.

Quote from: Munch on March 19, 2020, 04:16:11 PM
because because over 2k people have died in italy from it

Quote from: Baruch on March 19, 2020, 04:20:09 PM
I don't think that Hyrda009 is Hydra or Thanos.  There are positive effects from bad events.  Particularly the effect on the "deplorables" from the result of the Black Death (labor rights and better wages).

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 12:41:39 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-pandemic-bangladesh-india-muslim-prayer-gathering-healing-verses-a9410476.html

Gotta pack like sardines to beat this easily communicable disease!

Quote from: SGOS on March 19, 2020, 06:59:09 PM
When I was very young, I heard of quarantine, but it was presented to me as an antiquated artifact of earlier times.  If I remember right, I was told it was not found to be effective, and no longer used.  Now here we are at full circle.  Isolation is not something most humans do naturally.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 19, 2020, 07:29:45 PM
In your lifetime the chances are they were talking about leprosy.

Quarantine has been part of the protocol for dealing with infectious disease every since we figured out how it spreads.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 19, 2020, 07:29:45 PM
In your lifetime the chances are they were talking about leprosy.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 19, 2020, 07:29:45 PM
Quarantine has been part of the protocol for dealing with infectious disease every since we figured out how it spreads.

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 19, 2020, 08:40:55 PM
As SGOS pointed out--the idea of quarantine is mostly new to the US population.  As a whole, they don't really know or understand what it means.

Quote from: Munch on March 19, 2020, 07:58:22 PM
I'm not sure why the idea that quarantine is ineffective is believed.

Quote from: Munch on March 19, 2020, 07:58:22 PM
Obviously I'm not advocating anyone live that kind of life since we need social interaction, but it is something people can do now.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 09:22:35 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 19, 2020, 03:29:14 PM
But hey, it's not all bad.  Air pollution has decreased a lot in Italy (https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/air-pollution-clears-in-northern-italy-after-coronavirus-lockdown-satellite-shows) and China (and presumably, other places that have hunkered down to stop the spread of disease)

I went outside for a brief walk and I was amazed at what seemed like much more nature activity than normal - more and louder birdsongs than I remember.  It might have seemed like more than it was because of the lack of competing human noise.  Or people scaring them away.  Or bad memory.  But it definitely seemed like nature was more active and vibrant than previously.

Quote from: trdsf on March 19, 2020, 11:19:48 PM
Yeah, I've noticed Canada geese everywhere -- moreso than usual.  Unfortunately, Canada geese are the biggest jerks of the bird kingdom.

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
Its haunting, hearing just how many people are dying in Italy. The fact their just needing to pile the dead into trucks and families finding out their loved ones are just another body in the pile. That's terrifying :(

I just want to do everything I can now to protect my love ones if it gets this bad here.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 20, 2020, 08:19:58 AM
My brother was giving me shit about missing work (a job where I am very likely to get sick) but I told him that my number one priority was not getting sick and spreading it, everything else be damned.  He works and lives alone, so it's not much of a problem for him.  I get sick and I could likely kill someone.  So screw his opinion.

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
Its haunting, hearing just how many people are dying in Italy. The fact their just needing to pile the dead into trucks and families finding out their loved ones are just another body in the pile. That's terrifying :(

I just want to do everything I can now to protect my love ones if it gets this bad here.

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:26:22 AM
Exactly, you should show him the people dying in Italy to hammer in the fact hes wrong, and he could kill other people if he doesn't follow the guidelines

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 20, 2020, 08:19:58 AM
My brother was giving me shit about missing work (a job where I am very likely to get sick) but I told him that my number one priority was not getting sick and spreading it, everything else be damned.  He works and lives alone, so it's not much of a problem for him.  I get sick and I could likely kill someone.  So screw his opinion.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 20, 2020, 08:48:37 AM
Won't work.  He's not a pathos kind of guy.  I have to make it clear that a little missed work hours (which I can always get back by working extra later on) is less detrimental to myself and society as a whole than spreading the disease - Logos.  Or appealing to government/medical experts pleading for people to stay indoors - Ethos.

Also, this is a crisis that doesn't feel like a crisis, so he's sadly operating on business-as-normal logic.  This isn't like a hurricane, I can't look outside and see the devastation.  But it's there.

Quote from: SGOS on March 20, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
I think this hardline approach makes sense.  This pandemic is new for most of us today.  We don't know a lot yet about controlling it, but erring on the side of safety seems reasonable.  Trump's burry your head in the sand approach was not helpful at best, and very dangerous at worst.  His advisors got him to do a 180 on this, but many supporters will still be cherry picking from the contradictions.  I will never forget all those man on the street interviews on TV before the last presidential election, where the number one response from Trump supporters was, "He says it like it is."   It was a Bumper sticker mentality that swept through conservative voters.  It was also an untruth.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 20, 2020, 09:24:48 AM
It is possible that I am overreacting in going on full lockdown so soon instead of going to work and taking reasonable precautions.

But we won't know until later if I made the right call.  If there's a high deathtoll and I know I contributed to it, that would make me very, very unhappy.

The news I've seen lately makes me think that my self-imposed isolation is no overreaction:  https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241329066.html

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 20, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
I called in a prescription refill and the pharmacist said starting next week they are mailing all refills and waiving any additional fees.

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on March 20, 2020, 03:58:41 PM
Isolating isn't an option for me until the government decides drug stores and pharmacies aren't an essential service (or we get too many sick workers to stay open). Luckily the higher-ups at my company are good folks, and doing everything in their power to keep us supplied with gloves and disinfectant. They haven't been able to get us masks, but we're allowed to wear our own if we have them.

QuoteRome (AFP) - They come to bless those suffering the most from the novel coronavirus. And then, more and more often, Italy's priests die themselves.

The diocese of Bergamo northeast of Milan appears to have been ravaged the most by the stealth killer.

At least 10 of its priests have died of COVID-19, the Catholic daily Avvenire reported Thursday.

The deaths, whether of priests or members of their communities, are "so numerous that it is difficult to count", the paper wrote.

Five more fatalities were registered in the city of Parma. Still more virus-related deaths emerged among priests in Brescia, Cremona and the northern industrial hub of Milan itself.

All these parishes are clustered in Italy's north, the virus's target from the day the Catholic country's first death was reported four weeks ago.

More than 3,400 Italians have died from the virus since then.

Italy has taken over the grim title of being the global epicentre of the pandemic from China, where COVID-19 was first reported in late December.

- Dying more than doctors -

Like doctors, Italy's priests come in contact with the disease's most serious cases.

And like doctors, priests are known to congregate among themselves in close quarters, creating the perfect conditions for contagion.

A count by Italy's ANSA news agency on Thursday put the number of medics killed by the disease at 13.

Figures reported by Italian media suggest the death toll among priests is higher. At least 18 priests have been reported killed.

"Dressed in a mask, a cap, gloves, a robe and protective glasses, we priests walk around the halls like zombies," Father Claudio del Monte told Italy's Adnkronos news agency.

Del Monte has a parish in Bergamo, a walled, hillside city of 120,000, with square towers and slanted terracotta roofs familiar to tourists of many scenic Italian towns.

Its province is now Italy's worst-affected. With 4,634 infections as of Friday, it had piled up 11 percent of all of Italy's cases.

Its population accounts for just 0.2 percent of Italy's total.

Bergamo has so many dead that army trucks had to deliver supplies of freshly-made wooden coffins Thursday.

It has so many dead that mortuaries can no longer hold them all.

"We no longer know where to put the dead," the bishop of Bergamo, Francesco Beschi, told the Vatican News site.

Standing and looking at the coffins makes him feel "very heavy", Beschi said.

- Dying of zeal -

Like all the other victims, the clergymen are buried without ceremony.

Funerals, along with weddings, have been banned for over a week to stem contagion. They may not be allowed again for many more weeks or months.

"It is painful to see the priests fall sick," Enrico Salmi, the bishop of Parma, told the Avvenire.

"Sometimes it happens (to them) out of pastoral zeal. They enter the intensive care unit where, naturally, no one is supposed to go."

Touched by the plight of the priests of Bergamo, Pope Francis placed a call Wednesday to Beschi, the parish bishop.

Pope Francis was "very impressed by the suffering of the many dead," Beschi said in a statement.

The Argentine-born pontiff has repeatedly called on priests to spend more time visiting the sick.

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 20, 2020, 05:35:40 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/italys-virus-kills-priests-bless-dying-112825691.html (https://news.yahoo.com/italys-virus-kills-priests-bless-dying-112825691.html)

Where is your fucking god now, morons?

The pope should've instead implore caution and health advice, but nooooOOOoooo, let's just pretend we're above this infectious disease.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 20, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 20, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 20, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...

Quote from: Shiranu on March 20, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PprCOVdfPps

What a fucking cunt.

Quote from: SGOS on March 20, 2020, 06:31:33 PM
That was bizarre.

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
Trump could have handled himself better, but the reporters are sensationalists looking to hype people up with fear in order to sell papers, let's not pretend either were moral crusaders here.

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
Trump could have handled himself better, but the reporters are sensationalists looking to hype people up with fear in order to sell papers, let's not pretend either were moral crusaders here.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 20, 2020, 06:46:13 PM
I'm not even going to say your wrong, but when the question is literally...

"What would you tell people who are afraid?"

And your response is...

"How DARE you ask me that question?"

there is literally only one side that is wrong in that equation.

And given how non-serious the media was taking the coronavirus until literally only a week or so ago, I don't think I would say they have been fear-mongering this situation. If anything, they didn't spark enough fear.

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 06:34:25 PM
Trump could have handled himself better, but the reporters are sensationalists looking to hype people up with fear in order to sell papers, let's not pretend either were moral crusaders here.

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 20, 2020, 06:57:32 PM
Munch, the orange asshole is supposed to be a leader and a leader has to answer questions like those--that's his job.  Well, supposed to be his job--we all know that the orange asshole has one job and that is to plunder this country as much as he possibly can.  I guess we can also see that he has two other sub-jobs--dismantle whatever Obama had built and destroy the media.  How is that reporter's question sensationalism?

Quote from: Mike Cl on March 20, 2020, 06:57:32 PM
Munch, the orange asshole is supposed to be a leader and a leader has to answer questions like those--that's his job.  Well, supposed to be his job--we all know that the orange asshole has one job and that is to plunder this country as much as he possibly can.  I guess we can also see that he has two other sub-jobs--dismantle whatever Obama had built and destroy the media.  How is that reporter's question sensationalism?

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
Look people want to be reassured thats true, right now people are scared and they need to hear things of encouragement. Trump in his own special way seem to be trying to deliver that, not that there was any guarantee what he was saying was honest, but even so, the last thing a newspaper should be publishing is sensationalist bullshit in order to hype up fear within people.

At first trump seemed to be be doing that, until he got triggered by the reporter, and now people are going to see their president reacting this way and it will just make things worse.

This is why I no longer buy newspapers

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 07:06:51 PM
Look people want to be reassured thats true, right now people are scared and they need to hear things of encouragement. Trump in his own special way seem to be trying to deliver that, not that there was any guarantee what he was saying was honest, but even so, the last thing a newspaper should be publishing is sensationalist bullshit in order to hype up fear within people.

At first trump seemed to be be doing that, until he got triggered by the reporter, and now people are going to see their president reacting this way and it will just make things worse.

This is why I no longer buy newspapers

Quote from: Shiranu on March 20, 2020, 08:02:10 PM
Trump has not been doing just that though.

I realise in Scotland you are (hopefully?) not bombarded with Trump clips on T.V. every hour and don't have your shows interrupted for his press conferences, but up until a few days ago he was saying this was all a Democrat Hoax to hurt his popularity. Then he started blaming the medical communities lack of resources on Obama. Then he...

It's literally a laundry list of just, "Someone else's fault! Someone else's responsibility! I don't know, I think things are going well!". He listened to one of the top medical professionals in the nation explain how things are going to exponentially worse... and literally 5 seconds later starts saying, "Yeah, so like he said... your going to see in a few days the numbers go to zero. Really amazing. Really amazing."

He said on national television that he didn't want to help the victims aboard cruise ships, and this is in his own words, because it would hurt his ratings when the number of American cases would more than double in one day. He did say he would let them disembark because the experts said it was the smart thing to do, but if it was up to him they would be kept on the ship.

Every press conference, every day... he stammers and contradicts what the experts around him says. The state department has multiple times had to go back and say, "Yes, this is what he said... but this is what we are ACTUALLY doing.".

He makes fucking George Bush Jr. look like an orator on the level of JFK or FDR, for christ's sake.

Let me put that into even better perspective... I am actually REALLY starting to like Mike Pence because, for all his theocratic flaws, he actually seems like a competent adult when put next to Trump.

Again, I realise you are probably exposed to just the few positive sound clips where he actually manages to stay on topic long enough to say something important... but for people who have to actually live here and see the entire thing, not just the soundbytes, he is off the fucking rails. You watch him stand behind the experts making this face of, "Wow... this is boring. Cant I just go golf and let you guys handle it?" or his constant interrupting of professionals to which they then have to clarify that what he said was not true (while walking a tight rope of not offending him) and it's about as close to the polar opposite of "leadership" that you can get.

Quote from: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 08:40:39 PM
The same political nerds do what they always do ;-)

On US Covid news ...

"IRS Moves Tax-Filing-Day From April 15 To July 15, Mnuchin Says" ... as previously reported.

On non-US Covid news ...

"Martial Law France: Citizens Forced To Fill Out Form Every Time They Leave Home" ... so goes the mother country of the French revolution.  Guillotines next?

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:48:49 PM
thing that I'm curious about it, if people break that law, what are they going to do, throw them in prison? overcrowded prison, more disease spread. Maybe better to just put a tracker on people and have them under house arrest if they want to go that far with it.

lets just hope they can get toilet paper delivered.

Quote from: Baruch on March 20, 2020, 08:51:08 PM
France is putting out hefty fines so far, 150 euros.

USA not so much, we are even not enforcing misdemeanors and considering emptying the prisons into the general population (since most prisoners shouldn't be there in the first place).

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 20, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:56:59 PM
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2020/03/19/spring-break-beaches-florida-look-packed-despite-coronavirus-spread/2873248001/

This kinda thing I just find terrifying. This level of ignorance is just so harmful, some corn brained chads think its not a big deal, but when he contracts the virus, brings it home, and his parents and grandparents get it, and die, yeah, someone needs to tazer these morons.

Quote from: Shiranu on March 20, 2020, 08:02:10 PM
Let me put that into even better perspective... I am actually REALLY starting to like Mike Pence because, for all his theocratic flaws, he actually seems like a competent adult when put next to Trump.

Quote from: aitm on March 20, 2020, 08:59:26 PM
Welcome to the four and a half finger club!

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 08:46:04 PM
I dunno what hillary would have done, maybe little better, maybe little worse, who can say. But at it stands I can understand what people are feeling this way, I think if May was still prime minister here I'd be feeling more unsettled, since her track record of decision making was awful.

Quote from: trdsf on March 20, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Got a text from a friend the other day: "The governor says don't go to the gym, don't get a haircut, don't socialize, just stay at home.  YOU'VE BEEN TRAINING YOUR WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS!"  (he knows me so well...)

To which I was obliged to respond, "Those of us without lives are the ones who are going to live."  :D

Quote from: trdsf on March 20, 2020, 09:39:58 PM
Got a text from a friend the other day: "The governor says don't go to the gym, don't get a haircut, don't socialize, just stay at home.  YOU'VE BEEN TRAINING YOUR WHOLE LIFE FOR THIS!"  (he knows me so well...)

To which I was obliged to respond, "Those of us without lives are the ones who are going to live."  :D

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
Stay safe. Has your pharmacy moved into more home deliveries during this time?

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 20, 2020, 06:10:06 PM
Well I just spent the afternoon where I didn't want to be. In the emergency room. I chopped the end of my finger off with the table saw. The good news is the place was practically abandoned. Just one other person in the waiting room that walked in right in front of me. The bad news is she had a nasty cough and was there because she was worried about having Covid-19. I was wearing a N-95 mask for the dust while I was working and didn't take the damn thing off until I got back home. The first thing I did when I got home was strip in the garage, put my cloths in a trash bag, carried them straight to washer, then took a long shower. Hopefully I don't die...

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 10:03:20 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8130433/amp/Sam-Smith-goes-stages-quarantine-meltdown-self-isolation.html?__twitter_impression=true

On the one hand I want to showcase that this is an example that anyone can be depressed and feeling down in this kind of isolation, bad mood can set in.

On the other hand, he lives in a 12 million dollar house.. He's probably got bidet's in all his 5 bathrooms.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 20, 2020, 09:32:32 PM
Right now that's funny. Tomorrow when the block wears off maybe not...

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 21, 2020, 02:43:00 AM
Fuck pops, that's a shit day. :(

Did they reattach the fingertip?

Quote from: aitm on March 21, 2020, 08:08:20 AM
I cut my right index off at the first knuckle when I was about 20. I can honestly say, it has never bothered me in the least. Course I’m left handed, that probably was the difference.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 21, 2020, 09:43:52 AM
Left index finger, and I'm right handed so shouldn't to much in the way of long term problems. So far there hasn't been much pain to speak of, but the doc told me it was going to hurt today when the nerve block wears off.

Quote from: SGOS on March 21, 2020, 10:27:51 AM
I took a while to respond, because I didn't know what to say.  I'm sorry to hear about this whole thing.  All of us who work around sharp tools are aware of the possibility of injury.  Sometimes, I'm even surprised at myself owning the tools that I do, because I am borderline obsessively afraid of the things.  When I take out my chain saw my first reaction is fear.  I'm about to do something dangerous, and if I were religious I would probably pray when I'm about to start the thing up.  I tell myself, I'm not really qualified to use these things, but I own table saws, circular saws, routers, and chain saws because they are remarkably helpful and necessary for the tasks they do.  But they are dangerous.

My close friend's father in Montana worked in a small part of the lumber mill called the box factory, which essentially took those left overs from the saw mill and cut them to specific sizes to make boxes for whoever ordered a freight car full of boxes, or at least box parts.  The box factory comprised less than one tenth of 1% of the entire mill, but it made money with the left overs.  There may have been only 4 guys on a shift.  And only one guy, the foreman (my friend's father), ran the saw.  He was missing one finger, as I heard was also the case with the other foremen on other shifts.  When I watched the operation, I was actually surprised any saw operator  had any fingers at all.

The saw had three 10 or 12 inch blades all spinning on their own arm attached to a central axis.  The axis rotated fast with the arms and blades popping out of the table at regular intervals of maybe 2 seconds. There were no safety guards, and every couple of seconds the operators hand would be in the path of the blade while adjusting a guide that set the length of the board according to how long the scrap was.  I would guess every minute produced 30 box parts of assorted length.  It was insane, but part of the job.  I will never forget that little bitty part of the mill where no lives were lost but hundreds of fingers must have been.

Here's to a speedy recovery.  Be careful, and may that be your last bad experience in your shop.

Quote from: SGOS on March 21, 2020, 12:36:49 PM
I wouldn't have understood that without the photos.  Is that African Zebra Wood?

Quote from: Baruch on March 21, 2020, 12:23:31 PM
More US Covid news:

"Army Deploys To New York As NYC Reports 1 Coronavirus Death Per Hour On Friday" ... Army Corp of Engineers, to assist setting up alternative hospital locations.

"National Guard Chief: Don't Federalize Us To Fight Outbreak - Will Waste "Billions"" ... Chicken Little reaction by governors and mayors hurt

Non-US Covid news:

"Kenyan Man Stoned To Death By Mob "For Having Coronavirus"" ... all cultures equal?  Meanwhile "diverse" youth gangs attempting to storm grocery stores in London and Paris.

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 21, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. I got a good sized pile of exotic wood of several different species that had been left in a building the company bought. 

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on March 21, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
In any case at this point I'm more worried about the possibility of being exposed to to the Corona virus while I was at the hospital than I am about the finger.

Quote from: Munch on March 20, 2020, 10:01:03 PM
I dunno if those people have been training their whole life for this. Think the only ones who have been training their whole life for this is gamers and recluses

Quote from: SGOS on March 21, 2020, 01:28:30 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't want to spend much time hanging out in emergency rooms right now.

Quote from: Munch on March 21, 2020, 01:15:32 PM
So glad I don't live in a major city. Though I do live an hour's train from London

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 21, 2020, 06:15:08 PM
Yes, I must admit I misjudged the situation severely.

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 21, 2020, 08:44:05 PM
The panic is real and my family has just begun to hoard.

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 21, 2020, 08:44:05 PM
The panic is real and my family has just begun to hoard.

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on March 21, 2020, 06:15:08 PM
Yes, I must admit I misjudged the situation severely.

Quote from: Munch on March 21, 2020, 08:59:38 PM
at least in hoarding for themselves their being honest. Looked on ebay, and fuckers are selling single toilet rolls for £5 per roll.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 21, 2020, 07:05:11 PM
We do not have shelter in place yet.  I wish we did.  Then I could tell work to sit and spin.

I don't know when I should tell them I won't be back for a while.  5 days from now?  3 days from now?  Tomorrow?

If I wait too long, it'll be too late to jump ship and I'm screwed and my family is screwed.  If I don't wait long enough, I feel like I'm panicking and acting irrationally.

This is my first major pandemic, so I'm not super experienced at dealing with these things.  Please advise.

Quote from: aitm on March 21, 2020, 09:17:14 PM
Being a good boy scout never hurt.

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 22, 2020, 04:01:39 AM
So a the infections spreads to South Texas, Hildago county.

It begins.

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 22, 2020, 04:01:39 AM
So a the infections spreads to South Texas, Hildago county.

It begins.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 22, 2020, 08:08:10 AM
(https://cdn.heraldodemexico.com.mx/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/21082135/susana_distancia-1200x675.jpg)

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need right now.

Quote from: aitm on March 22, 2020, 09:36:18 AM
Some guy started screaming through the window, “you are all over reacting this is not that big of a deal”

Quote from: SGOS on March 22, 2020, 10:11:47 AM
To the person who doesn't give a shit about anyone else, he comes to work sick and happily transmits whatever he has to everyone else.  Why should he care?  He's willing to take his chances, and if he's already sick, he gains nothing by isolating from others.

Quote from: Baruch on March 22, 2020, 10:27:23 AM
Don't worry, Dr Biden will be starting fire-side chats shortly, pretending to be FDR ;-)

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 22, 2020, 04:27:06 PM
consciousness

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 22, 2020, 03:24:36 PM
115 infected in total, 14 recoveries, 2077 tests, and +600 in quarantine as of today in the Faroes.

Quote from: Munch on March 22, 2020, 04:34:48 PM
I didn't know you lived on the foroe islands?

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 22, 2020, 04:46:31 PM
I do. Thanks to high testing, we know somewhat the infection chains and are quarantining people who have been exposed.

Quote from: Munch on March 22, 2020, 05:00:17 PM
I suppose its just as well the population of the islands is small enough that reaching as many as possible to test helps in that regard.

stay safe, hope your stocked up well there.

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 22, 2020, 06:17:56 PM
I know the Faroe Islands from watching VinLand Saga. So are you a descendant of vikings? If so which ones?

Quote from: Baruch on March 23, 2020, 09:15:14 AM
Darwin awards:

"Virginia teens allegedly recorded themselves coughing on produce in grocery store" ... maybe keep them in school, instead?

"Thousands of stolen coronavirus respirator masks found in Oregon, donated to hospitals as arrest made" ... go police!

Meanwhile, not all Florida beaches are closed ...

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 23, 2020, 01:05:51 PM
Any thought on needed long-term changes due to this crisis?

Quote from: Sal1981 on March 23, 2020, 02:53:52 PM
Medical research will be prioritized a lot more afterwards, for a while, until complacency and apathy sets in again. Same deal with our collective social behavior. If history has learned us anything is that once everything settles back down to "normal" daily life, apathy springs back up again.

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 23, 2020, 01:05:51 PM
Any thought on needed long-term changes due to this crisis?

(https://i.imgur.com/DnLvgux.png)

Imo, I'm going to make a crisis kit (a small supply of otc medicines and toiletries) and keep a roughly 1-month supply of non-perishables (mostly canned goods).  I want to be able to survive without needing to go out for supplies for 2-4 weeks.

And you better believe sick days and telecommuting will be a lot more on my radar now.

Quote from: Munch on March 23, 2020, 06:38:06 PM
Those florida kids on spring break gonna be so sad.. oh but wait, they're at home with the infection.
I guess they have reason to care now

Quote from: Munch on March 23, 2020, 11:42:36 AM
Turns out many of those spring break asshats did contract it.

Quote from: trdsf on March 23, 2020, 07:50:42 PM
Don't forget the group of teens in trouble for deliberately coughing on an elderly couple (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52003543)... because they're fucking assholes.

Quote from: Munch on March 23, 2020, 08:03:24 PM
If they contract it and die from the disease, the teens should be prosecuted for manslaughter

Quote from: Shiranu on March 23, 2020, 08:07:05 PM

I don't know what I wish on them, but it's not pleasant. I really want to believe they can learn and become better people, but common sense tells me otherwise.


I also hope the government cracks down extremely harshly on people who hoarded necessary supplies and tried to resell them at heavily marked up prices.