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Title: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Shiranu on January 07, 2020, 08:23:29 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security/iran-fires-rockets-at-iraqi-air-base-hours-after-funeral-of-slain-commander-idUSKBN1Z60NL


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BAGHDAD/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Iran launched a missile attack on U.S.-led forces in Iraq in the early hours of Wednesday, hours after the funeral of an Iranian commander whose killing in a U.S. drone strike has raised fears of a wider war in the Middle East.


Tehran fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles from Iranian territory against at least two Iraqi military bases hosting U.S.-led coalition personnel, the U.S. military said on Tuesday


Iran’s Revolutionary Guards confirmed that they fired the rockets in retaliation for last week’s killing of Qassem Soleimani, according to state TV.


“We are working on initial battle damage assessments,” Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said in a statement, adding that the bases targeted were al-Asad air base and another in Erbil, Iraq.


Still too early to know if there were any American casualties, although I have seen some reports that a couple of Iraqis who were stationed on the base were injured or killed. The Danish government said none of it's troops stationed at the base were injured.

Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Shiranu on January 07, 2020, 08:39:12 PM
Update: Iran state media says it has launched a second wave of missiles, and if the US retaliates they will begin bombing Dubai and Israel.

That said... take that with a grain of salt. Irani media is not exactly what I would call the most credible source.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2020, 09:19:06 PM
They have 2000 long range missiles.  I would want them to shoot them all, so they use up their inventory ;-)  For each missile launch, we get intel on their technology.  Hezbollah has a lot of short range rockets (40-150 K) targeting Israel.  Mostly defensive.  Israel last did a military incursion into Lebanon in 2006 which was a failure.

I think it is OK for Iran to attack Dubai, since it is Sunni ;-)  Attacking Israel makes Netanyahu a hero again 🇮🇱.  Both are stupid moves.  Back in 2001 I used to watch Iranian TV on the Internet.  They aren't my enemy ... Congress and Democrats are.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on January 07, 2020, 09:20:23 PM
You know what would have made it a lot harder for them to not fire on bases in Iraq?  Not having bases in Iraq.

Loki and Eris!
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2020, 09:23:42 PM
You know what would have made it a lot harder for them to not fire on bases in Iraq?  Not having bases in Iraq.

Loki and Eris!

And please add ... I have no use for Delaware.  Lets withdraw there too ;-)  If they are declared non-citizens, then Biden can't run for POTUS.

If you don't like the military defense of the petro-dollar, then buy yuan.

I don't care for the petro-dollar, but then I don't support what has happened since 1971 (Nixon closing gold window).
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Shiranu on January 07, 2020, 10:20:59 PM
You know what would have made it a lot harder for them to not fire on bases in Iraq?  Not having bases in Iraq.

Loki and Eris!

But if we didn't have something like 13 named military bases around Iran, how would we provoke them?

Get with it!
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Sal1981 on January 07, 2020, 11:40:22 PM
It's the Al Asad base, it's Iraqi but with US personnel, they way I understood it.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Hydra009 on January 07, 2020, 11:41:44 PM
But if we didn't have something like 13 named military bases around Iran, how would we provoke them?
I've seriously heard talk a few days ago that Iran better not "start something" with the US.  These people need glasses because they're nearsighted af.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Shiranu on January 07, 2020, 11:53:46 PM
It's the Al Asad base, it's Iraqi but with US personnel, they way I understood it.

Co-operated apparently. But given it is (was?) the second largest U.S. base in Iraq during the height of the war there and just the general power disparity, my assumption is that the U.S. are the real rulers.



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In more fun news, apparently about an hour ago a Ukrainian 737 crashed right outside of Tehran carrying 130 passengers, just an hour or two after the missile attack.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2020, 06:58:58 AM
But if we didn't have something like 13 named military bases around Iran, how would we provoke them?

Get with it!

if non-islam exists, Islam must conquer it.  If Shia and Sunni exist, they must destroy each other (like France vs Germany).  So nothing the US can do, isn't an insult to Saudi and Iran.  Opposition is existential.  Yes, we could be isolationist.  I would like that.  Particularly we need to kill NATO ... there is no reason to attack Russia.  But that won't bring peace.  No TEAM AMERICA would be a good thing.  But then our economy will collapse.  I think that is a good thing too.  End the Federal Government ... then no IRS ;-)

What I oppose, is Jimmy Carter Sunday School Politics.  If we are nice to people like Mr Rogers was, then others will be nice to us.  That is infantile.  There are consequences to being aggressive, and consequences to being submissive.  You can't avoid consequences.  Do you prefer aggressive consequences or submissive consequences?  So the US has preferred aggression since 1941, starting with Japan.  Should we let Japan conquer China and kill/enslave all those innocent people?  Neo-libs (FDR) said no.  Cutting off Japanese oil was an act of war.  Tojo did nothing wrong.

US has been at war with Iran since 1979.  A different time, Cold War, Iran revolution was Soviet, with French communist assistance (Ayatollah was staying in France).  If we let the Soviets gain anything, then WW III will happen.  Does anyone really think that Putin is Stalin?  Obama made a peace, but didn't get the treaty ratified.  A ratified treaty requires Congress to overturn it, not executive decision by POTUS.  Obama succeeded/failed.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2020, 07:00:23 AM
Co-operated apparently. But given it is (was?) the second largest U.S. base in Iraq during the height of the war there and just the general power disparity, my assumption is that the U.S. are the real rulers.



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In more fun news, apparently about an hour ago a Ukrainian 737 crashed right outside of Tehran carrying 130 passengers, just an hour or two after the missile attack.

Boeing management are murderers.  Like Morton-Thiokol.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2020, 08:06:56 AM
Iran has precision missiles.  They deliberately avoided barracks, to minimize casualties.  Somewhat civilized.  So this may be the last of the current crisis.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2020, 08:15:38 AM
My suggestion to glass the entire region was rejected by short-sighted people.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2020, 08:37:22 AM
My suggestion to glass the entire region was rejected by short-sighted people.

Corning endorses your view ;-)
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: SGOS on January 08, 2020, 09:25:17 AM
My suggestion to glass the entire region was rejected by short-sighted people.
I'm not sure what they are, but I think there may be negative consequences to glassing the entire area.  It does seem like a simple solution, but the fact that our government isn't about to do it tells me that someone respected as an authority on geopolitics is anticipating an unwanted outcome.  However, glassing is never off the table either, and I can easily imagine many scenarios that would precipitate glassing, none of which would lead to a glorious victory for Iran.  This does not mean it would automatically be a victory for the US, however.  We would undoubtedly win the war, but at costs that could be intolerable...  Maybe.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2020, 11:35:14 AM
I'm not sure what they are, but I think there may be negative consequences to glassing the entire area.  It does seem like a simple solution, but the fact that our government isn't about to do it tells me that someone respected as an authority on geopolitics is anticipating an unwanted outcome.  However, glassing is never off the table either, and I can easily imagine many scenarios that would precipitate glassing, none of which would lead to a glorious victory for Iran.  This does not mean it would automatically be a victory for the US, however.  We would undoubtedly win the war, but at costs that could be intolerable...  Maybe.

It is bigoted to only glass theists, or only glass Muslims.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Unbeliever on January 08, 2020, 01:31:07 PM
That said... take that with a grain of salt. Irani media is not exactly what I would call the most credible source.

Yeah, much like American media.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Unbeliever on January 08, 2020, 01:36:03 PM
Maybe Iran's oil fields would be irradiated, and so be unusable for millennia.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 08, 2020, 03:03:41 PM
I'm not sure what they are, but I think there may be negative consequences to glassing the entire area.  It does seem like a simple solution, but the fact that our government isn't about to do it tells me that someone respected as an authority on geopolitics is anticipating an unwanted outcome.  However, glassing is never off the table either, and I can easily imagine many scenarios that would precipitate glassing, none of which would lead to a glorious victory for Iran.  This does not mean it would automatically be a victory for the US, however.  We would undoubtedly win the war, but at costs that could be intolerable...  Maybe.
Oh, please. A shower of nuclear tipped-missiles would solve a whole shit load of Iraqis.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2020, 03:33:18 PM
Maybe Iran's oil fields would be irradiated, and so be unusable for millennia.

Radiation weapon, contamination by radioisotope.  Fukushima without a tidal wave.  How about Japan ships their Fukushima waste to Iran, and bury it there, in their water table?
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on January 09, 2020, 10:14:47 PM
How barbaric.

I think just not interfering with their petty tribal wars is good enough.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: SGOS on January 10, 2020, 10:14:33 AM
I think just not interfering with their petty tribal wars is good enough.
We must maintain stability in the Middle East.  Otherwise there will be instability.  Stability through sterilization of everything, even the sand, is our only hope. There can be no tribal wars without tribes.  Only then we can have peace and quiet.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2020, 11:03:58 AM
How barbaric.

I think just not interfering with their petty tribal wars is good enough.

If the US produced everything, and needed no trade with the barbarians outside?

I take SGOS point as satire.  There is no need for stability, anywhere.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Unbeliever on January 10, 2020, 01:17:14 PM
It's all just chaos anyway. We may be coming to a strange attractor.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2020, 03:28:28 PM
It's all just chaos anyway. We may be coming to a strange attractor.

We don't want to know about your strange SO ;-)
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on January 10, 2020, 10:46:15 PM
Peaceful trade with all, entangling alliances with none.

The third world has suffered from outside forces funneling money in so that the outcome can be manipulated.  During the Cold War it was competition between USA and USSR.  Now that the USSR is gone, Russia is doing the same in a more limited manner only in issues that actually benefit them.  The USA is still trying to police the world and impose an order on the world that doesn't actually exist.

All efforts to stabilize the Middle East have destabilized it.  Just look at Libya.  There are Arab slave traders trafficking African Slaves there now.  That sort of thing was mostly stomped out for a while.

The US has a very bad habit.  When the North Elbonians and the South Elbonians go to war, the US politicians think they MUST determine which side is the good side and then back that side entirely.  Sometimes there is no good side and the best you can hope for is that they slap fight each other into exhaustion.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on January 11, 2020, 06:40:50 AM
The British Empire took the lead in the 19th century stamping out slavery.  Not the US, not Russia.  All slavers say ... Death to the British Empire.
Title: Re: Iran Launches Ballistic Missiles At American Bases in Iraq
Post by: Baruch on February 14, 2020, 03:17:42 PM
"US Navy Intercepts Advanced Iranian Weapons Bound For Yemen In Arabian Sea" ... yes, primitive Houthis have advanced technology, not.

We have an increasing number of concussion trauma injuries.  But this may be inflated, because military members love to get credit for partial disability.  Notice President Trump didn't retaliate.  Unlike President Obama who started 4 new wars, President Trump would like to turn down the heat on that President Obama started.