When you dive into it, i mean, dive into daily politics, it is a cradle of filth. It is a theatre, it is a application stage of post truth scenario.
Fuck all of them off...
I should focus on my own canalisation : ) ahahaha and it is kinda having some intellectual direction.
Giving up politics, for the second time, will be my New Year's Resolution for 2020.
Politics is too important to be left to the politicians.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 05, 2019, 07:32:14 PM
Politics is too important to be left to the politicians.
CIA/FBI will take care of it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 05, 2019, 07:32:14 PM
Politics is too important to be left to the politicians.
Tell me how you as a ordinary citizen can change sth? by voting?
The Depolitisation and depolarisation of the generations has been completed. Nobody even goes to vote coz they do not believe that it will change sth...
60's generations were overeducated than the current generation and they rebelled against the system... It means that to educate the population does not work for them who rotate the world around the sun... :D
Hmm...yeah...good point. Not a damned thing I can do, so I'll just give up.
Agree with you on that point. So let's go on to share funny videos just consume lifetime.
I try to keep track of politics that involve the working class, but I've definitely tuned out of most news. Whereas I use to be pretty much up-to-date with political news, I now find myself a few weeks behind everyone else.
I despise the aristocracy and all their bullshit, I don't need the news to reaffirm that. Very few in government represent my social class, so the games they play amongst themselves are just that... games, that I have no control over. And I've seen what happens when the working class or it's allies makes it into Congress... it's made sure they know they don't belong and that, even if the people elected them, they don't "belong" there.
Besides voting, I don't see much point in discussing politics.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 05, 2019, 09:51:45 PM
I try to keep track of politics that involve the working class, but I've definitely tuned out of most news. Whereas I use to be pretty much up-to-date with political news, I now find myself a few weeks behind everyone else.
I despise the aristocracy and all their bullshit, I don't need the news to reaffirm that. Very few in government represent my social class, so the games they play amongst themselves are just that... games, that I have no control over. And I've seen what happens when the working class or it's allies makes it into Congress... it's made sure they know they don't belong and that, even if the people elected them, they don't "belong" there.
Labor in GB at one time represented the working people. Now it Is champagne socialism and UK caliphate.
I just find the current political climate very engaging. It's amusing me no end to see my president make fools of us all, and make America the laughingstock of the world. I can only hope that America will come out of this stronger and better than it was before. But I doubt it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2019, 01:17:55 PM
I just find the current political climate very engaging. It's amusing me no end to see my president make fools of us all, and make America the laughingstock of the world. I can only hope that America will come out of this stronger and better than it was before. But I doubt it.
I'm too young to find the humour in it... the ramifications of our actions will affect me and my friends for many, many years to come.
Spoiled or not, I enjoyed living in the dominate empire on Earth. There was at least the chance to make it a better place. Now it's quite likely that by my thirties I will be seeing that empire fully collapse and replaced by a foreign one that I have no say in.
Such is life.
I've just come to accept the fact that any and all groups of people en masse are insane, be it political, religious, cultural, entertainment like gaming, fandoms, sports, just any mass group focused on a single idea or concept is a hive mind where the smallest push causes it's foundation to collapse.
I think this is why Joker did so well.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 06, 2019, 01:17:55 PM
I just find the current political climate very engaging. It's amusing me no end to see my president make fools of us all, and make America the laughingstock of the world. I can only hope that America will come out of this stronger and better than it was before. But I doubt it.
US has always been a flaming sack of fresh shit on GB porch. You just haven't smelt it until now. Hopefully Emperor Xi will provide rice bowls (but no rice for you), bicycles and Mao jackets for the whole planet.
Shiranu ... you moved to Canada? Think Vancouver. Think now is the time to learn Mandarin.
Munch ... all human behavior comes from psychology, not from political rationalizations. Monsters from the Id.
QuoteI've just come to accept the fact that any and all groups of people en masse are insane, be it political, religious, cultural, entertainment like gaming, fandoms, sports, just any mass group focused on a single idea or concept is a hive mind where the smallest push causes it's foundation to collapse.
Perhaps, but it's those same groups of people that have allowed us to progress as a species.
Without groups, humanity would still have an expected lifespan of maybe 15, 20 years at best. We would be hoping the plant we ate wasn't poison or that there wasn't too cold of winter to kill off vegetation... or hunting animals that are better equipped to hunt us.
Groups may be insane, but everything... and I mean literally everything... great that humanity has achieved is only possible because of that insanity.
Living in a tree, eating a banana is under-rated.
I like bananas, but I don't much care to live in a banana split republic.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 07, 2019, 05:12:54 PM
I like bananas, but I don't much care to live in a banana split republic.
A banana split is vanilla, chocolate, strawberry ice cream .. multicultural. Political mavens love a single party state, and only allow a single flavor.
The Internet has thrown us into the Misinformation Age, so it's rather pointless trying to keep up to date on all he latest misinformation.
Quote from: SGOS on November 10, 2019, 06:49:11 PM
The Internet has thrown us into the Misinformation Age, so it's rather pointless trying to keep up to date on all he latest misinformation.
And I regard that as total irony. When it first showed up I thought it would work the opposite--make real information and facts much easier to find and use. but in those days I did not realize just how stupid the American people really were.
As the saying goes, "You only find what you search for."
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 10, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
And I regard that as total irony. When it first showed up I thought it would work the opposite...
I thought the same thing, but I believed as you did on the basis of faith. I never thought through the implications rationally. I was told about the benefits, but no one warned of the unintended consequences. If someone did, I wasn't paying attention. Overall, I thought an open resource would be cool, but little more than that. I underestimated everything, absolutely everything, including the potential social and economic value and the good and the bad.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 11, 2019, 12:22:19 AM
As the saying goes, "You only find what you search for."
That's true, and I even realized before hand that was possible, but like everything else about the project, I underestimated man's lack of critical thinking skills, as well as his lack of understanding of his own personal biases. While I sat back comfortably in my naivety, entrepreneurs were figuring out how to make money with it, evildoers were figuring out how to control the minds of others, and our leaders were figuring out how to use it for their own personal power. And outright criminals were planning new scams.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 10, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
And I regard that as total irony. When it first showed up I thought it would work the opposite--make real information and facts much easier to find and use. but in those days I did not realize just how stupid the American people really were.
I must not be an American. I am old, but I cross check, under a shadow of skepticism. I expect propaganda has been going on a long long time. Did you hear the one about King Alexander is the son of Zeus? The Oracle of Ammon confirmed it.
Quote from: Hydra009 on November 11, 2019, 12:22:19 AM
As the saying goes, "You only find what you search for."
This point was first made evident for me while in college. One prof gave an assignment to prove/disprove a point--for example, how did WWI start; pick a hypotheses and gather data to both support and attack that hypotheses. It was eye-opening for me. It became evident that to 'prove' a point it was much easier to start with a bias and then cherry pick the data that supports that point and ignore the rest. Not accurate, but much easier. The internet makes that cherry picking easier.
Unintended consequences. Doesn't that seem to be the real earthshaking turn of events in almost everything? As a young adult forward I did not exactly have a love affair with phones. I never liked that they could shatter my peace at any moment--and for some reason, they could not go unanswered. So, when cell phones came out I did not think I'd ever want one. Now, I have to have one; but I mostly text and play games or view the news with it; I don't usually use it to call anybody. My daughter (school principal) regards it as a moving desk--she says she is much more efficient with one than without. And now I find myself taking pictures of everything :). Haven't figured out how to use (too lazy is all) the video part, but when I do, look out! And I only see the cell phone becoming more and more a part of your hand and effecting more and more of what we do and how we do it--spying more and more on each other, for example.
You will have to get your eyes fixed, and you hair made straight and dyed black, to improve your Chinese Internet socialist score.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 11, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
Unintended consequences. Doesn't that seem to be the real earthshaking turn of events in almost everything?
Who would have ever thought that hacking the internet would become a growth industry?
I'd argue that the internet really is a marvelous tool and on paper, it's an absolute gamechanger. Remember trying to figure out if a movie was good before the internet? Or finding a particular book? Or learning about, I dunno, physics. Or even just conversing with people on different continents, like we're doing now.
And then there's stuff no one had any idea would be happening on the internet, like using the internet to leak nefarious activity going on in huge, powerful organizations, organize protests, track down some trashy animal abuser, or come to the aid of someone through a rough time.
Unfortunately, a lot of bad actors jumped on the internet craze and a lot of its bad reputation is attributable to them.
Hydra, I agree with your assessment. I find the internet to be a fantastic tool and I love using it. I do depend upon it for much that I do. Like most things--it not so much what it is, it's how you use it.
I don't know if this falls under the 'unintended' uses list, but all new technologies are used by the porn industry. And I'd even suggest it not only uses all of the new technologies, but helps transform and change the existing ones. When new tech shows up, porn already has a plan and has most likely already been using it. I think this is true from before the printing of the first book--and has continued to the present moment.
I remember shortly after I got into computers, which was shortly before the Internet, often thinking, "You know someone should write a program that does thus and so," only to be informed that it was called "something or other" and had been around for three years.
And I'd be an obvious liar to say I didn't have much use for the internet. I've been sitting in this chair since 6 this morning, which is something I'm not very proud of, but usually I'm not this bad about it.
tIt used to be said that half the Internet traffic was spam email and half was porn. Is this still a good rough estimate?
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 10, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
And I regard that as total irony. When it first showed up I thought it would work the opposite--make real information and facts much easier to find and use. but in those days I did not realize just how stupid the American people really were.
I presume that by now you've upgraded your assessment?
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 12, 2019, 01:19:25 PM
I presume that by now you've upgraded your assessment?
I still think it is mainly positive--but I must say I did not see the worst part of what the net does. And the deep net (or dark net--or whatever it is called) is just a big mystery to me.
In my life it is a huge positive. I can research to my heart's content--for anything and everything. With my baseball leagues, I can socialize. And most of all, I love playing games and can now do this any hour of the day or night. What more could I want???
One negative, Putin had to hire millions of English speaking teen followers to manipulate the social media ... and that has lowered youth unemployment in Russia a lot ;-0
I doubt it would take millions, Baruch. Dozens, at most, I bet.
Quote from: Unbeliever on November 13, 2019, 01:48:25 PM
I doubt it would take millions, Baruch. Dozens, at most, I bet.
Great. So shut down the Internet with Obama kill switch. It simply allows too much sedition. Then everyone gets their news from DNC Single Party Paper. Emperor Xi will help I am sure.