https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/politics/democrats-impeachment-trump.html
Also:
Trump tried to negotiate with Pelosi on the whistleblower complaint after she announced an impeachment inquiry. Pelosi told him to take a hike.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-asked-pelosi-to-negotiate-amid-impeachment-probe-she-declined-2019-9
It deserves its own thread.
Sure, own thread ... now that Congress found its manhood ;-)
Get Congress on the record, both House and Senate. No voice only votes.
And if the House completes this action and the Senate agrees with the conclusion, America gets The Dominion (Christian) under "The Handmaid's Tale" Mike Pence.
Pence is as scary as Trump.
Hopefully "Pounce" (as Trump called him) will be implicated in crimes against the people and be gone, too. I can hope, anyway...
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-vice-president-pence-mike-pounce-internet-memes-2019-9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8788SIY2xP4
It always feels like these people are from a completely different world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX3Q_-fvPuc
Quote from: LoriPinkAngel on September 25, 2019, 12:18:04 PM
Pence is as scary as Trump.
I am not anti-atheist or anti-gay, but Emperor Pence will burn these people at the stake, like Torquemada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAxkcPoLYcQ
Those posting here not under US jurisdiction will be fine, until the Caliphate completes the acquisition of their territory, then they will lose their heads.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 25, 2019, 01:16:17 PM
Hopefully "Pounce" (as Trump called him) will be implicated in crimes against the people and be gone, too. I can hope, anyway...
And no Democrat will ever be convicted of anything? Don't ask for whom the tyranny tolls, it tolls for thee.
PS, I think all the primary offices in the Federal Government are open to impeachment proceedings. But it doesn't happen very often. Perhaps it should become routine procedure, for all successful elections/appointments.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 25, 2019, 02:02:45 PM
It always feels like these people are from a completely different world.
I am from a completely different world. I have become completely deprogrammed from the Enlightenment BS of the last 300 years. The Caliphate did nothing wrong. If they were closer to home, I would help them.
So Marxist irony time. Perhaps it isn't the Capitalists with "false consciousness" but it is the Socialists?
If Trump or Pence were real Fascists ... they wouldn't be afraid of Youtube memes.
Quote from: Baruch on September 25, 2019, 06:17:22 PM
I am from a completely different world. I have become completely deprogrammed from the Enlightenment BS of the last 300 years.
Really? What are you doing here, writing about your opinions, shitting on whatever you don't like, saying what is on your mind in a public forum with constitutionally protected rights then?
Without the Enlightenment bullshit of the last 300 years, as a Jew - supposing there will be Jews left on the planet in that universe - you have no right to talk about, make comments on or criticise anything political, religious or cultural in a Christian World. You can't own land or probably even business, because The United States that exists today would be very different.
The only people in the forum who would have a right to comment on such subjects would be the white Christian males; soldiers first, business owners, all of them preferably married with children. They would only talk about it in a limited way. High ranking ones' wives would come and write about women's responsibilities on ocassion. There wouldn't be anyone else in the forum. No other than white christian male.
So let me remove that 300 years for you in a second; shut the fuck up and sit on your ass. In the morning, go work under awful conditions till you die. No retirement.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 25, 2019, 02:24:56 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_in_the_United_States
It looks unlikley to me too. Actually, I am worried that they will make a hero out of him in this process while it won't give any results.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 04:02:11 AM
Really? What are you doing here, writing about your opinions, shitting on whatever you don't like, saying what is on your mind in a public forum with constitutionally protected rights then?
Without the Enlightenment bullshit of the last 300 years, as a Jew - supposing there will be Jews left on the planet in that universe - you have no right to talk about, make comments on or criticise anything political, religious or cultural in a Christian World. You can't own land or probably even business, because The United States that exists today would be very different.
The only people in the forum who would have a right to comment on such subjects would be the white Christian males; soldiers first, business owners, all of them preferably married with children. They would only talk about it in a limited way. High ranking ones' wives would come and write about women's responsibilities on ocassion. There wouldn't be anyone else in the forum. No other than white christian male.
So let me remove that 300 years for you in a second; shut the fuck up and sit on your ass. In the morning, go work under awful conditions till you die. No retirement.
Well, intellectuals have done %*$$#^ to French pseudo-chads since Louis Quators. Sorry, but you missed my earlier posts, that I no longer support democracy? Well I don't. I reject human rights and morality as well. I favor a Cromwell dictatorship for the US and GB. John Locke can lick my %*#&#*. Brits say they are ashamed of the last 300 years of their country. I agree vis a vis Anglophone history but for different reasons.
Why are you afraid of White Christian Males? Waiting for revanchist Russian Orthodox Czarist to "rape" your country?
"Watch: Drone Airdrops Drugs To Inmates At Ohio Jail" ... this is what the Enlightenment has brought to us here.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 04:07:00 AM
It looks unlikley to me too. Actually, I am worried that they will make a hero out of him in this process while it won't give any results.
Shh ... that is the R plan all along. Make a red-scandal and wave it in front of the D bull.
Still, how much longer is Turkey part of Nato? Poland is more important now.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 04:07:00 AM
It looks unlikley to me too. Actually, I am worried that they will make a hero out of him in this process while it won't give any results.
Some segment will do that anyway.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2019, 05:01:44 AM
Well, intellectuals have done %*$$#^ to French pseudo-chads since Louis Quators. Sorry, but you missed my earlier posts, that I no longer support democracy? Well I don't. I reject human rights and morality as well. I favor a Cromwell dictatorship for the US and GB. John Locke can lick my %*#&#*. Brits say they are ashamed of the last 300 years of their country. I agree vis a vis Anglophone history but for different reasons.
Why are you afraid of White Christian Males? Waiting for revanchist Russian Orthodox Czarist to "rape" your country?
"Watch: Drone Airdrops Drugs To Inmates At Ohio Jail" ... this is what the Enlightenment has brought to us here.
I am describing the alternate world you fantasize about. See, you can have it both ways. Every right and standard you enjoy is a result of that 300 years of bullshit. That's why it is very convenient not to support democracy and human rights when you have it. Yea, it is that simple. 15 year old teenagers are better posers than you.
But then that's not even true. You don't think about the world, democracy, fuckamocracy or human right or spotted wights. For the third time, you are depressed. Because you are officially an old man now, because you feel useless. You choose to act like those milennials you supposedly are so against. And you are too stupid to realise, to enjoy the freedom you have now. You are done and can do anything you want. Your responsibility for others ended. Instead you choose to wallow in some made up rage, existantial crisis, 'oh the world has always been something else... oh vah waaah' thinking about what you could/should have done in your life, what people should/cold do now. That's everybody, you idiot.
Go out, make a small fire in the woods in cold weather, stare at it and smell it. Travel. Go to Mynmar and tell people how overrated the human rights are. Go to a pottery workshop. Learn to play an isntrument. Paint. Plant. Learn kramagav. Go to pubs and flirt with women. DO something. Or with this pace, considering your age, with your position and current mental situation, you are going to have a heart attack. You are too young to die. And stop getting on my nerves.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 26, 2019, 05:40:10 AM
Some segment will do that anyway.
Yeah that is true. But if he manages to get into a position of some sort of a misundertood anti-hero; 'victim' on top of that, it would be worse. History has a way of making garbage precious in that sense.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 06:34:55 AM
Yeah that is true. But if he manages to get into a position of some sort of a misundertood anti-hero; 'victim' on top of that, it would be worse. History has a way of making garbage precious in that sense.
Some people adore Hitler.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 26, 2019, 06:44:20 AM
Some people adore Hitler.
LOL. Yeah. Another way of looking at it.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 07:09:15 AM
LOL. Yeah. Another way of looking at it.
My point is that every bad guy has/had admirers. My semi-feral cousins are saying that there is a great conspiracy at work to "defeat all the good things Trump has done for the country!!!"
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 26, 2019, 07:30:29 AM
My point is that every bad guy has/had admirers. My semi-feral cousins are saying that there is a great conspiracy at work to "defeat all the good things Trump has done for the country!!!"
OW and Lol'ed at semi-feral.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 07:43:25 AM
OW and Lol'ed at semi-feral.
Okay, I was being generous there.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 06:32:05 AM
I am describing the alternate world you fantasize about. See, you can have it both ways. Every right and standard you enjoy is a result of that 300 years of bullshit. That's why it is very convenient not to support democracy and human rights when you have it. Yea, it is that simple. 15 year old teenagers are better posers than you.
But then that's not even true. You don't think about the world, democracy, fuckamocracy or human right or spotted wights. For the third time, you are depressed. Because you are officially an old man now, because you feel useless. You choose to act like those milennials you supposedly are so against. And you are too stupid to realise, to enjoy the freedom you have now. You are done and can do anything you want. Your responsibility for others ended. Instead you choose to wallow in some made up rage, existantial crisis, 'oh the world has always been something else... oh vah waaah' thinking about what you could/should have done in your life, what people should/cold do now. That's everybody, you idiot.
Go out, make a small fire in the woods in cold weather, stare at it and smell it. Travel. Go to Mynmar and tell people how overrated the human rights are. Go to a pottery workshop. Learn to play an isntrument. Paint. Plant. Learn kramagav. Go to pubs and flirt with women. DO something. Or with this pace, considering your age, with your position and current mental situation, you are going to have a heart attack. You are too young to die. And stop getting on my nerves.
You come from the "semantics" of Continental Philosophy. Mine is clearly British/Scottish in origin. This is why GB is leaving, semantic incompatibility.
George Soros isn't my idol. No, just chatting, not trying to try you. Except you don't answer my questions ;-) You are only as old as you think. Fear is the mind killer.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 06:34:55 AM
Yeah that is true. But if he manages to get into a position of some sort of a misundertood anti-hero; 'victim' on top of that, it would be worse. History has a way of making garbage precious in that sense.
Narrative control by ISI in Pakistan, CIA in US etc. This legend making is what it is all about ... bollocks too.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 26, 2019, 06:44:20 AM
Some people adore Hitler.
Trump isn't Hitler. AOC isn't Stalin.
And yes, the majority in Russia feel that Stalin did nothing wrong. It is illegal in Germany to say that Hitler did nothing wrong, but they think it. It isn't just Japan who has never made peace with the 20th century.
Nobody says Trump is Hitler.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 08:58:39 AM
Nobody says Trump is Hitler.
Thanks for not quoting the village idiot.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 08:58:39 AM
Nobody says Trump is Hitler.
Trump is not Hitler. But he is a wanna-be. He admires the dictators of the world and is just itching to become one. He already is the equivalent of a mob boss; he wants to become the Godfather, as well.
Quote from: Baruch on September 25, 2019, 06:17:22 PM
I am from a completely different world. I have become completely deprogrammed from the Enlightenment BS of the last 300 years.
Well, aren't you special?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 04:07:00 AM
It looks unlikley to me too. Actually, I am worried that they will make a hero out of him in this process while it won't give any results.
I'm afraid his fan club will react with violence, and we won't know when or where until it happens.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2019, 11:48:19 AM
Trump is not Hitler. But he is a wanna-be. He admires the dictators of the world and is just itching to become one. He already is the equivalent of a mob boss; he wants to become the Godfather, as well.
AOC is a wannabe Ms Lenin, but cuter ;-)
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:17:36 PM
I'm afraid his fan club will react with violence, and we won't know when or where until it happens.
Don't be afraid, have courage. You have no control over history as a whole, nobody does. This is a roller-coaster, and we aren't running it. Irony alert ... I hate roller-coasters ;-(
Violence is happening right now, in your name, as an American citizen. Since 2001. You don't notice because you are in a safe space.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2019, 05:01:44 AM
Well, intellectuals have done %*$$#^ to French pseudo-chads since Louis Quators. Sorry, but you missed my earlier posts, that I no longer support democracy? Well I don't. I reject human rights and morality as well. I favor a Cromwell dictatorship for the US and GB. John Locke can lick my %*#&#*. Brits say they are ashamed of the last 300 years of their country. I agree vis a vis Anglophone history but for different reasons.
Why are you afraid of White Christian Males? Waiting for revanchist Russian Orthodox Czarist to "rape" your country?
"Watch: Drone Airdrops Drugs To Inmates At Ohio Jail" ... this is what the Enlightenment has brought to us here.
You must be one of those Ãœbermenschen of Nietzsche's, that Ayn Rand was so enamored of.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 08:58:39 AM
Nobody says Trump is Hitler.
In the US many say this. Anyone to the right of Lenin, is Hitler.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 26, 2019, 07:43:25 AM
OW and Lol'ed at semi-feral.
Yeah, me, too - they sound fully feral to me.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on September 26, 2019, 09:10:38 AM
Thanks for not quoting the village idiot.
Per court jester theory, I am the only one speaking truth the the royal narrative.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2019, 11:48:19 AM
Trump is not Hitler. But he is a wanna-be. He admires the dictators of the world and is just itching to become one. He already is the equivalent of a mob boss; he wants to become the Godfather, as well.
I don't know what will happen, but it'll be fun to watch - until it isn't.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:21:31 PM
You must be one of those Ãœbermenschen of Nietzsche's, that Ayn Rand was so enamored of.
Uber-menschen we all are, all the way down. That is what a demi-god is ;-)) Grew out of Ayn Rand by my mid-20s (my mother who was an arch reactionary, pushed Ayn Rand on me as a teen). I do think that Nietzsche is always worth checking out, he makes philosophical arguments with a hammer ;-) My thought was molded by many influences, even classical liberalism.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:23:38 PM
Yeah, me, too - they sound fully feral to me.
Stay out of Deliverance country? As Marxist Jesus ... probably advisable.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:27:52 PM
I don't know what will happen, but it'll be fun to watch - until it isn't.
Dems are at least half brave now. But starting investigation into impeachment, isn't the same as actually writing the bill and voting for it. Ms Pelosi is probably still fooling the AOC faction.
I find the British version of political chaos to have a more interesting accent.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2019, 01:31:33 PM
he makes philosophical arguments with a hammer ;-)
And you provide the sickle?
:-P
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2019, 01:33:10 PM
Stay out of Deliverance country? As Marxist Jesus ... probably advisable.
Yeah, I'm not so good at squealing like a pig.
Wow, just as I was writing that, the Beatles were singing about little piggies!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:37:16 PM
And you provide the sickle?
:-P
i am more Left than the pollyanna's here realize. But I am not being paid by Soros. Never been a conservative. But I don't like change for the sake of closet anarchism (hence my criticism of the 60s).
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:39:10 PM
Yeah, I'm not so good at squealing like a pig.
Wow, just as I was writing that, the Beatles were singing about little piggies!
in that sense, if I were fully out of the closet, I would be just as vulnerable as you. And neither of us play banjo! BTW - The Beatles were a good part of the 60s.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2019, 01:35:05 PM
Dems are at least half brave now. But starting investigation into impeachment, isn't the same as actually writing the bill and voting for it. Ms Pelosi is probably still fooling the AOC faction.
I find the British version of political chaos to have a more interesting accent.
Before it's over we may have to storm the WH and drag the fucker out by his fake hair.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2019, 01:40:42 PM
in that sense, if I were fully out of the closet, I would be just as vulnerable as you. And neither of us play banjo! BTW - The Beatles were a good part of the 60s.
I always wanted to play banjo, ever since I used to watch Hee Haw. Never got around to it, though.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:41:18 PM
Before it's over we may have to storm the WH and drag the fucker out by his fake hair.
The toupe will come loose, right? Not a practical plan. So ... where were you when LBJ or Nixon were fucking over the US and the rest of the planet? I was too young. More recently, where were you when Shrub was invading Iraq for no good reason? I was fooled by Gen Colin Powell.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:43:30 PM
I always wanted to play banjo, ever since I used to watch Hee Haw. Never got around to it, though.
You seem more of a Petticoat Junction type.
Quote from: Baruch on September 26, 2019, 01:45:10 PM
The toupe will come loose, right?
Nah, I bet they've got that thing glued on so tight it'll never embarrass him again. Like this;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCmyZcBnC2M
QuoteMore recently, where were you when Shrub was invading Iraq for no good reason?
I was protesting the invasion. I made a sign that said
JUST CAUSE?
.......OR.......
JUST 'CAUSE BUSH
....SAYS SO?......
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 26, 2019, 01:27:52 PM
I don't know what will happen, but it'll be fun to watch - until it isn't.
It is all quite interesting. Until it becomes an utter horror.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 26, 2019, 05:36:51 PM
It is all quite interesting. Until it becomes an utter horror.
That is normal when theory becomes reality, with what is wanted is obtained.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 27, 2019, 05:06:15 AM
LOOL. AHAHAHAH. Oh. I love you.
I am not an mere ego. I am you and you are me, we are special together. Where two or more are gathered together in my power, there I am.
Stop everything, he doesn't want to be impeached.
And I'm pretty ordinary.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 27, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
Stop everything, he doesn't want to be impeached.
Boris wants a vote of no confidence. Trump wants an impeachment. Both intend to turn it to their advantage. Risk taking is necessary, but arrogance leads to anyone's undoing. A 16 year old depressed anxious teenager is not the messiah. Neither are the "gang of four" in the House of Representatives ... though they remind me of the clique around Mao Tse Tung's widow.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on September 27, 2019, 01:39:13 PM
And I'm pretty ordinary.
Like most people, you know your name, but not what you are nor who you are. This is the consequence of metaphysical ignorance. No human being, even an aborted fetus, is ordinary. The European enlightenment was a false dawn, compared to India. The mere scribblings of over-age autistic teen males. I no longer see it necessary to defend Western culture (as I have all my life), in fact keeping it, might be worse than letting it go. Perhaps even, the sweeping away of the Northern Hemisphere by the Southern Hemisphere, is inevitable.
Quote from: Baruch on September 27, 2019, 08:19:04 AM
I am not an mere ego. I am you and you are me, we are special together. Where two or more are gathered together in my power, there I am.
Are you the Walrus?
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 28, 2019, 01:37:56 PM
Are you the Walrus?
The mother walrus who sank the Russian boat, because she thought her babies were in danger? Yeah, I could to that. Both R and D are a threat to my daughter's future greater than Xi or Putin.
Quote from: LoriPinkAngel on September 25, 2019, 12:18:04 PM
Pence is as scary as Trump.
Pence is far more dangerous -- he's a politician who knows how to get his Talebangelical agenda enacted, rather than a wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man. Lord Dampnut has got ADD where his ego is concerned and can be easily distracted from doing... well, anything other than issuing yet another rage-filled, lie-filled tweet.
The letters "TP" used to mean "toilet paper" - now they mean "talking points" - not much difference, really.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 30, 2019, 08:37:53 PM
The letters "TP" used to mean "toilet paper" - now they mean "talking points" - not much difference, really.
Long ago, in government, it was realized that Powerpoint bullets were the death of intelligence. Particularly when slide transition effects were more interesting than the content of the bullets.