After mass shooting, Republicans blame video games (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/05/kevin-mccarthy-dan-patrick-video-games-el-paso-shooting/)
Trump joins in (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/08/05/trump-blames-video-games-for-shootings-but-research-doesnt-support-that/)
This is a long dead horse, yet it's being beaten all the same.
Video games are the new and scary fad steering our impressionable youth towards evil - well, it was new in the 70s and 80s, nowdays everyone and their grandmother has played Tetris or Mario or Skyrim. It's not a new and scary thing unless you've been living under a rock your entire life.
In the 90s and 2000s, there was a big push to villify video games, coincidentally right as the burgeoning new industry was rapidly becoming a part of everyday life.
And you know what? They lost the argument. And they didn't just lose once or twice, they consistently lost. So why in the seven hells is this still a thing?
I know the redcaps aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but even they have to know that grandpa Trump is really showing his age in this latest round of dotard ramblings about stuff he clearly has no knowledge of. FFS, he could make a more compelling case for the deep state mexicans sending over paid muslims pretending to stage a false flag killing spree to spread liberal-commieism, so why bother with scapegoating video games?
Hell, all you have to do to poke a battleship-sized hole in this argument is look at other countries.
Do you guys have video games?
Sure do! Do you guys have mass shootings? Not really. So why is this claim treated as if it has a shred of credibility?
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 05, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
After mass shooting, Republicans blame video games (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/05/kevin-mccarthy-dan-patrick-video-games-el-paso-shooting/)
Trump joins in (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/08/05/trump-blames-video-games-for-shootings-but-research-doesnt-support-that/)
This is a long dead horse, yet it's being beaten all the same.
Video games are the new and scary fad steering our impressionable youth towards evil - well, it was new in the 70s and 80s, nowdays everyone and their grandmother has played Tetris or Mario or Skyrim. It's not a new and scary thing unless you've been living under a rock your entire life.
In the 90s and 2000s, there was a big push to villify video games, coincidentally right as the burgeoning new industry was rapidly becoming a part of everyday life.
And you know what? They lost the argument. And they didn't just lose once or twice, they consistently lost. So why in the seven hells is this still a thing?
I know the redcaps aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but even they have to know that grandpa Trump is really showing his age in this latest round of dotard ramblings about stuff he clearly has no knowledge of. FFS, he could make a more compelling case for the deep state mexicans sending over paid muslims pretending to stage a false flag killing spreed to spread liberal-commieism, so why bother with scpegoating video games?
Why is this treated as if it has a shred of credibility?
Yes, Gamergate. The new GTA is awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYK6cfFVRk4
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 05, 2019, 02:11:49 PMVideo games are the new and scary fad steering our impressionable youth towards evil - well, it was new in the 70s and 80s, nowdays everyone and their grandmother has played Tetris or Mario or Skyrim.
Better watch out for Skyrim Grandma. She might pull out a sword and stab you. She's been practicing in video games for years.
(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/YDppQ3nkYYtGakqbovfF7j.jpg)
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 05, 2019, 02:11:49 PMSo why is this claim treated as if it has a shred of credibility?
Because by repeating this tired old argument, they get to distract people from the real issues.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 05, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
After mass shooting, Republicans blame video games (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/05/kevin-mccarthy-dan-patrick-video-games-el-paso-shooting/)
Trump joins in (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/08/05/trump-blames-video-games-for-shootings-but-research-doesnt-support-that/)
This is a long dead horse, yet it's being beaten all the same.
Video games are the new and scary fad steering our impressionable youth towards evil - well, it was new in the 70s and 80s, nowdays everyone and their grandmother has played Tetris or Mario or Skyrim. It's not a new and scary thing unless you've been living under a rock your entire life.
In the 90s and 2000s, there was a big push to villify video games, coincidentally right as the burgeoning new industry was rapidly becoming a part of everyday life.
And you know what? They lost the argument. And they didn't just lose once or twice, they consistently lost. So why in the seven hells is this still a thing?
I know the redcaps aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but even they have to know that grandpa Trump is really showing his age in this latest round of dotard ramblings about stuff he clearly has no knowledge of. FFS, he could make a more compelling case for the deep state mexicans sending over paid muslims pretending to stage a false flag killing spree to spread liberal-commieism, so why bother with scapegoating video games?
Hell, all you have to do to poke a battleship-sized hole in this argument is look at other countries.
Do you guys have video games?
Sure do! Do you guys have mass shootings? Not really. So why is this claim treated as if it has a shred of credibility?
They'll latch on to anything at all that gives them the semblance of an excuse. Later it will be something else, and then something else after that.
The republican tradition goes on! I wonder how long it will take the one over here to imitate his speech.
I wish the skyrim grandma was a real superhero diving down around on draugr death lords riding Alduin. RIP.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 02:26:09 PM
The republican tradition goes on! I wonder how long it will take the one over here to imitate his speech.
I wish the skyrim grandma was a real superhero diving down around on draugr death lords riding Alduin. RIP.
You mean Boris? Hardly. Boris is a scholar.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 02:27:17 PM
You mean Boris? Hardly. Boris is a scholar.
No, there was a Skyrim Grandma. She died.
Boris is a trained ape. And I apologise from all sort of apes for that.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 02:26:09 PM
The republican tradition goes on! I wonder how long it will take the one over here to imitate his speech.
I wish the skyrim grandma was a real superhero diving down around on draugr death lords riding Alduin. RIP.
Wut? She posted a new video six hours ago. Has she passed away since then?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 02:29:37 PM
No, there was a Skyrim Grandma. She died.
Boris is a trained ape. And I apologise from all sort of apes for that.
Please quote Illiad from memory, its seductive ...
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 02:31:24 PM
Wut? She posted a new video six hours ago. Has she passed away since then?
She is alive?! I heard she was dead and next Elder Scrolls -if ever- will have a memorial of her!
E: Just checked, yes she is alive! :) Now I wonder if is this something I misunderstood just because she is going to be in the game? Sorry, lol.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 02:31:45 PM
Please quote Illiad from memory, its seductive ...
Would you like me to comb out anything our German friends added unconsciously? H G Wells, says it is a good idea. For getting a time machine I mean.
The red-hatted mob will accept just about any scapegoat to avoid the obvious, that Trump's racist blathering is pushing people already teetering on the edge of losing self-control over the edge.
Baruch, are you looking for an Illiad reference by HG Wells? It's about Ancient Greek, not Illiad. It's in The Time Machine. LOL
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 02:27:17 PM
You mean Boris? Hardly. Boris is a scholar.
Boris isn't even has good as Trump is at being Trump. Thankfully.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 02:51:13 PM
She is alive?! I heard she was dead and next Elder Scrolls -if ever- will have a memorial of her!
E: Just checked, yes she is alive! :) Now I wonder if is this something I misunderstood just because she is going to be in the game? Sorry, lol.
Fans petitioned to get Skyrim Grandma added to The Elder Scrolls VI, so that if she didn't live to see the sequel, she'd at least be in it. Bethesda saw the petition and flew her in so they could turn her into an NPC. So far, that's one of the few things we know about TESVI. She's the first, and only, NPC confirmed for the game.
Depends on the video game. Most video games differentiate between reality and fantasy. Only game that comes to mind that probably never should have been made is Hatred. But even with that game I would argue that people, mature enough, can distinguish pretend violence and the real life kind.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 04:43:41 PM
Fans petitioned to get Skyrim Grandma added to The Elder Scrolls VI, so that if she didn't live to see the sequel, she'd at least be in it. Bethesda saw the petition and flew her in so they could turn her into an NPC. So far, that's one of the few things we know about TESVI. She's the first, and only, NPC confirmed for the game.
Yep, I know that. :) I think the wording in a source -memorialise- lead me to a misunderstanding, like she has to be dead fro that? LOL
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 05, 2019, 05:32:28 PM
Depends on the video game. Most video games differentiate between reality and fantasy. Only game that comes to mind that probably never should have been made is Hatred. But even with that game I would argue that people, mature enough, can distinguish pretend violence and the real life kind.
Custer's Revenge (early console game) ... illegal to own.
Quote from: aileron on August 05, 2019, 03:15:44 PM
The red-hatted mob will accept just about any scapegoat to avoid the obvious, that Trump's racist blathering is pushing people already teetering on the edge of losing self-control over the edge.
Civil War is good. We need a good culling.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 02:55:22 PM
Would you like me to comb out anything our German friends added unconsciously? H G Wells, says it is a good idea. For getting a time machine I mean.
19th century German Romantic scholarship? Das ist gut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y34cxfSNAxg
Unlike Boris, I have Youtube, I don't need to memorize.
Quote from: aileron on August 05, 2019, 03:15:44 PM
The red-hatted mob will accept just about any scapegoat to avoid the obvious, that Trump's racist blathering is pushing people already teetering on the edge of losing self-control over the edge.
Conservatives have been triggered too. Enough to contemplate genocide. Keep the challenges to sanity coming.
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 05, 2019, 05:32:28 PM
Depends on the video game. Most video games differentiate between reality and fantasy. Only game that comes to mind that probably never should have been made is Hatred. But even with that game I would argue that people, mature enough, can distinguish pretend violence and the real life kind.
Not at all. Yes video games can be violent like when I play Diablo 3 for instance. However that doesn't make me or anyone violent. The violence was already intiated from something in the persons head like with mentally ill people or people suffering disorders like PTSD in veterans maybe. If video games made people violent there would be alot more violence and shootings to make it very normal for 20 people to die in one day. But that's bullshit and also this was created by the same people who said Rock n Roll was Satan's music.
That and feminists (who are pushing to ban video games) think that anything pointy, even a penis, is a miogynistic symbol.
I don't think I've ever seen a pointy penis...but I like the alliteration! LOL
Gotta admit, after playing Mario Maker for some many hours, I do have this uncontrollable urge to jump on turtles while eating strange mushrooms I find laying around.
Quote from: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 06:15:25 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a pointy penis...but I like the alliteration! LOL
I keep mine out of the pencil sharpener.
Quote from: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 06:16:13 PM
Gotta admit, after playing Mario Maker for some many hours, I do have this uncontrollable urge to jump on turtles while eating strange mushrooms I find laying around.
You aren't after Princess Peach? Gay much?
Quote from: Sal1981 on August 05, 2019, 05:32:28 PMOnly game that comes to mind that probably never should have been made is Hatred. But even with that game I would argue that people, mature enough, can distinguish pretend violence and the real life kind.
Yeah, Hatred struck me as a disgusting exaggeration of how pearl-clutching traditionalists view video games. Like someone heard Jack Thompson and said, let's make that! Uggh.
You know, most of my games are actually pretty light on gory violence - either it's violence done to non-humans (aliens, zombies, robots, etc) or the violence is more implied than actually shown (spaceship battles, mecha warfare).
Supreme Commander is funny to me because it has oodles of war and destruction but very few onscreen deaths (99% of the time, unmanned drones are destroyed, not people)
I think either Fallout New Vegas or Space Marine might be my goriest games, and you're mostly just defending yourself from barbaric slavers or maurading aliens. Very poor training for IRL shooting. I doubt I could reload a handgun properly.
Now, if I had a few thousand calvary and several times that in infantry, I could put some serious hurt on the Visigoths...
I like video games where I have to solve puzzles rather than just kill stuff. Those shooter games don't do anything for me.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 05, 2019, 07:17:20 PM
Yeah, Hatred struck me as a disgusting exaggeration of how pearl-clutching traditionalists view video games. Like someone heard Jack Thompson and said, let's make that! Uggh.
You know, most of my games are actually pretty light on gory violence - either it's violence done to non-humans (aliens, zombies, robots, etc) or the violence is more implied than actually shown (spaceship battles, mecha warfare).
Supreme Commander is funny to me because it has oodles of war and destruction but very few onscreen deaths (99% of the time, unmanned drones are destroyed, not people)
I think either Fallout New Vegas or Space Marine might be my goriest games, and you're mostly just defending yourself from barbaric slavers or maurading aliens. Very poor training for IRL shooting. I doubt I could reload a handgun properly.
Now, if I had a few thousand calvary and several times that in infantry, I could put some serious hurt on the Visigoths...
I don't play FPS anymore, because of this.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/health/video-games-violence-explainer/index.html
Nice to have a free press while it lasts.
One excellent point the experts make that the Repubs are too stupid to realize... Video games are a worldwide thing. Regular mass shootings are only a US thing.
Of course it must be the video games, since only America has anyone who plays them...
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:46:34 PM
You aren't after Princess Peach? Gay much?
That tease? No thank you. I can get my own cake.
Quote from: aileron on August 05, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/health/video-games-violence-explainer/index.html
Nice to have a free press while it lasts.
One excellent point the experts make that the Repubs are too stupid to realize... Video games are a worldwide thing. Regular mass shootings are only a US thing.
America is special that way ;-(
(https://i.redd.it/9u0nl24itne31.png)
Breaking news: Republican blames bad thing on things Republicans don't like (so it must be true)
Really got the whole trifecta going. I'm surprised atheists weren't thrown in there as well.
Can you believe these people actually have some gay supporters? Talk about self-hate.
But wait! There's more!
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/ohio-lawmaker-blames-mass-shootings-open-borders-homosexuality-video-games-n1039321
QuoteAfter mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, that together killed at least 30 people over the weekend, a lawmaker in Ohio blamed the massacres on “homosexual marriage,†“drag queen advocates†and “snowflakes, who can’t accept a duly-elected President," among other things.
In a now-deleted Facebook post, she wrote: “After every mass shooting, the liberals start the blame game. Why not place the blame where it belongs?"
The post listed reasons Keller thought the United States is grappling with mass shootings, including "the breakdown of the traditional American family," "homosexual marriage," "fatherlessness," "the ignoring of violent video games," "professional athletes who hate our flag and the National Anthem," "the relaxing of laws against criminals," "recreational marijuana," "Obama" and Democratic members of Congress, among others.
Take a wild guess what sort of politics she advocates for.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 05, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
In the 90s and 2000s, there was a big push to villify video games, coincidentally right as the burgeoning new industry was rapidly becoming a part of everyday life.
And you know what? They lost the argument. And they didn't just lose once or twice, they consistently lost. So why in the seven hells is this still a thing?
Because it's so much easier than tackling the real problems of too many guns, and too many people who have too many problems to be trusted with them. And their knuckledragger base is long since primed to jump on board with such a completely bullshit argument.
Quote from: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:04:06 PM
Civil War is good. We need a good culling.
Thomas Jefferson said, “a little rebellion now and then is a good thing". If you want a Civil War, it would either be totally one-sided today or turn the US in Balkan-like states.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 07:55:20 AM
Thomas Jefferson said, “a little rebellion now and then is a good thing". If you want a Civil War, it would either be totally one-sided today or turn the US in Balkan-like states.
Careful what you ask for. How big is the New England Gay Atheist Empire going to be, given the lack of MAN power ;-) Larger than the LBGT Empire probably.
Walmart takes down video games displays, keeps guns (https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2019/08/08/walmart-mass-shooting-stores-removing-violent-video-game-displays/1962146001/)
Well, that answers that. Why do morons keep villifying video games?
BECAUSE IT WORKS.
Because if you stir the pot enough, you can scare just enough people to affect albeit small changes in how video games are presented or purchased.
You can't do that with guns. You can shout till you're blue in the face. You can show caskets of loved ones. (Our thoughts and prayers go out to them) You can plead with legislators, with gun sellers, with anyone who will listen, to do something, anything to stop the next national tragedy.
It won't work. Nothing will change. And that has a lot to with the dollars pouring out of the NRA and the rubles flowing in. A lot of very rich people are heavily invested in people buying as many guns as possible with the least amount of oversight possible, and policy reflects their interests.
This is a corrupt, inhuman system that cares nothing for human lives, and we've grown far to used to it.
Quote from: Hydra009 on August 09, 2019, 12:25:06 AM
Walmart takes down video games displays, keeps guns (https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2019/08/08/walmart-mass-shooting-stores-removing-violent-video-game-displays/1962146001/)
Well, that answers that. Why do morons keep villifying video games?
BECAUSE IT WORKS.
Because if you stir the pot enough, you can scare just enough people to affect albeit small changes in how video games are presented or purchased.
You can't do that with guns. You can shout till you're blue in the face. You can show caskets of loved ones. (Our thoughts and prayers go out to them) You can plead with legislators, with gun sellers, with anyone who will listen, to do something, anything to stop the next national tragedy.
It won't work. Nothing will change. And that has a lot to with the dollars pouring out of the NRA and the rubles flowing in. A lot of very rich people are heavily invested in people buying as many guns as possible with the least amount of oversight possible, and policy reflects their interests.
This is a corrupt, inhuman system that cares nothing for human lives, and we've grown far to used to it.
...
America, please.
I seriously thought that was going to be an Onion article.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 09, 2019, 02:10:44 AM
...
America, please.
I seriously thought that was going to be an Onion article.
Corporations are so woke, like Gillette ;-(
I have played and still play violent video games, the kind where thousands die. Never once have I contemplated shooting up a school or theater or what have you. Can't say I am not beginning to contemplate shooting these stupid fucking morons "governing" our country. (That was hyperbole, NSA).
Quote from: Shiranu on August 09, 2019, 02:10:44 AM...
America, please.
I seriously thought that was going to be an Onion article.
But wait, there's more!
ESPN and ABC will no longer broadcast an Apex Legends tournament (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/espn-abc-pull-apex-legends-esports-tournament-mass-shootings-1230344) "out of respect" for the victims. Still selling guns at the store where people were shot to death in cold blood, but video games without any relation whatsoever to that tragedy, that's where we have to draw the line.
Well, not so much "have" as "want to" and not so much "draw the line" as "bury our heads in the sand". So much easier and politically safer than lobbying for substantive change.
ESPN is, to state the obvious, a sports network. If playing video games is considered a sport now, it's no wonder Americans are so fat.
If throwing a puck on some ice, or throwing a dart, or throwing a frisbee are sports, then pretty much anything can be a sport.
That's beside the point, though. The point is agreeing to do something then cowardly not doing it because public opinion shifted ever so slightly (has the public's opinion of video games shifted recently? Literally everyone I've talked to thinks this is BS. Granted, none of them are tv executives or soccer moms)
That's because gamer women are still too young to be 'soccer moms'. When the generations pass, this will be ridiculous. Because everyone will be a some sort of a gamer when young.
The people who haven't played any new high tech games in their lives are still in charge at lot of high places, lol. Think about that. Just when the young gamers today become grandpas and grandmas it will have an effect, and that generation will also get in in big positions.
Social media; facebook, you tube, instagram, twitter...etc is still too young for the world to get used to.
it's called e-sports, so. For comparison: I don't consider chess, strictly speaking, a sport.
(https://i.redd.it/vt36cbb4dnf31.jpg)
...and that's the Nintendo section.
This is like taking down the Beatles albums and keeping up the Charles Manson posters.
So much stupid in this country. Maybe we need to start multiplying votes by IQ points.
Quote from: aileron on August 10, 2019, 08:25:26 PM
So much stupid in this country. Maybe we need to start multiplying votes by IQ points.
Too bad I can't 'like' this three or four times! I gave them a title--SFA (stupid fucking americans)--and they are legion!
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 10, 2019, 08:47:26 PM
Too bad I can't 'like' this three or four times! I gave them a title--SFA (stupid fucking americans)--and they are legion!
Years ago a comedian had a bit about making stupid people wear signs around their necks so save time. "Excuse me, sir, can you tell me how to get to the... Oh, I'm sorry... I didn't see your sign."
Now they have the courtesy to identify themselves by wearing red hats.
Bill Engvall. We used to repeat his jokes at work, LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBjelRDKHUk
I don't play violent video games. But when I was a child back in the 60s, we watched violent TV shows and played violent games among ourselves. We whacked each other with wooden swords. Shot each other with cap guns, and played a game where whoever picked up the football was attacked by everyone else. It was called "Smear The Queer".
And none of us did anything violent in later years... Violent games do not make violent people.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 04:11:13 AM
I don't play violent video games. But when I was a child back in the 60s, we watched violent TV shows and played violent games among ourselves. We whacked each other with wooden swords. Shot each other with cap guns, and played a game where whoever picked up the football was attacked by everyone else. It was called "Smear The Queer".
And none of us did anything violent in later years... Violent games do not make violent people.
i had a cap gun too, of course. But the caps ran out too quick! Caused me to shoot up dozens of WalMarts, not!