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Title: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 03, 2019, 10:29:40 PM
"El Paso shooting leaves 20 dead, 26 injured; investigators probing potential 'nexus to hate crime'" ... a great tragedy.  Hopefully the injured will recover.  The shooter was arrested without incident (that seems strange to me).

So ... poor mental health strikes again.  Like the young man who shot up the church 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 03, 2019, 11:18:00 PM
Don't worry--trump and his slime balls will be sending their thoughts and prayers.  It will be all better then.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 03, 2019, 11:28:26 PM
Don't worry--trump and his slime balls will be sending their thoughts and prayers.  It will be all better then.

Hasn't every president in published history not sent their thoughts and prayers to the victims of major tragedies? Pretty sure Obama did that a lot.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Draconic Aiur on August 04, 2019, 02:26:10 AM
And sure enough my pro guns friends on facebook are championing gun rights.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Shiranu on August 04, 2019, 02:51:01 AM
Another mass shooting, now in Ohio.


https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/police-responding-active-shooting-oregon-district/dHOvgFCs726CylnDLdZQxM/ (https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/police-responding-active-shooting-oregon-district/dHOvgFCs726CylnDLdZQxM/)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2019, 06:30:31 AM
So he was caught alive. You know what, I don't even think he was depressed a little bit, let alone a 'poor mental health'. Apparently, he was 'fighting' against the 'Hispanic invasion of Texas'. I am sick of people defining these piece of shits as mentally disturbed. They know what they are doing and they plan to do it and do it very willingly.   

Texas has death penalty. Hey, I am sure they could build a side argument based on stupidity, while putting him in a max with Hispanic inmates. Well, too bad he'll be isolated.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 04, 2019, 07:58:14 AM
Walmart markets guns for little girls. (But we don't have a problem here.)

(https://i.imgur.com/9pH5RZo.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 04, 2019, 07:59:34 AM
Don't worry--trump and his slime balls will be sending their thoughts and prayers.  It will be all better then.
(https://i.imgur.com/d9AAS1M.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 08:06:37 AM
So he was caught alive. You know what, I don't even think he was depressed a little bit, let alone a 'poor mental health'. Apparently, he was 'fighting' against the 'Hispanic invasion of Texas'. I am sick of people defining these piece of shits as mentally disturbed. They know what they are doing and they plan to do it and do it very willingly.   

Texas has death penalty. Hey, I am sure they could build a side argument based on stupidity, while putting him in a max with Hispanic inmates. Well, too bad he'll be isolated.

Yes.  The perp may have not killed himself because he is sociopath, not suicidal (as are so many).  Oswald wanted to live, to be famous.

Real Texans are quite used to Mexican-Americans ... for almost 200 years now.  Bet his family was new to Texas.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 08:08:07 AM
Another mass shooting, now in Ohio.


https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/police-responding-active-shooting-oregon-district/dHOvgFCs726CylnDLdZQxM/ (https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/police-responding-active-shooting-oregon-district/dHOvgFCs726CylnDLdZQxM/)

Sad.  With murder suicide, you don't get to interview the perp.  On the other hand, they don't get a soap box.  3 states in a row ... Cali/Texas/Ohio.

In our town ... we only had a suicide in the last 20 years.  Guy went into a sporting goods store, was looking to purchase a shotgun.  He asked the sales girl for a box of sells.  He loaded one up, put the gun under his chin, and splattered his brains on the ceiling right in front of that hysterical girl.  Very rude of him.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 04, 2019, 09:15:43 AM
The recent stats show that 25% of mass shooters had mental diseases. The other 75% didn't. So that's that. But most Americans believe it's their God-given right to own a gun. In a country where there are more guns than people, it's a surprise that we don't have more mass shootings.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 04, 2019, 09:30:13 AM
Hasn't every president in published history not sent their thoughts and prayers to the victims of major tragedies? Pretty sure Obama did that a lot.
No shit.............!!  Can't put anything past you!  Since Obama did it you are suggesting that it is okay for Trump to do it? (This is another topic, of course)  This was a snarc to the entirety of the response to each and every mass shooting in this country--thoughts a prayers; and out of 'respect' let's not talk about it right now.  Jesus, Munch, you can be a real fucktard at times!!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Sal1981 on August 04, 2019, 09:40:18 AM
'round and around the not-so-merry circus of gun rights we go, again.

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 04, 2019, 09:43:27 AM
The recent stats show that 25% of mass shooters had mental diseases. The other 75% didn't. So that's that. But most Americans believe it's their God-given right to own a gun. In a country where there are more guns than people, it's a surprise that we don't have more mass shootings.
My hillbilly* cousins have a thing called The Big 50, being the fifty relatives with the most guns. The total is now in excess of 2,000 guns.

*Most of them live in or near the Ozarks.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: SGOS on August 04, 2019, 10:18:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9pH5RZo.jpg)
Caught on film.  Young Bonnie holding up the joint, while her father takes her picture.  Later during an interview, Bonnie's dad told reporters, "I'm proud a that girl.  She doesn't take shit from no one.  We bought the rifle, and that asshole at Walmart thought he could charge us for the ammunition."
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 04, 2019, 11:11:57 AM
No shit.............!!  Can't put anything past you!  Since Obama did it you are suggesting that it is okay for Trump to do it? (This is another topic, of course)  This was a snarc to the entirety of the response to each and every mass shooting in this country--thoughts a prayers; and out of 'respect' let's not talk about it right now.  Jesus, Munch, you can be a real fucktard at times!!

woo someone had their balls twisted when he sat down.

Not even sure what your fucking point is, a president gives his thoughts and prayers to victims of a mass killing, if trump hasn't said anything you'd just as much call him a p.o.s. I know he's transparently easy to hate on but this is just pathetic on your part.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2019, 11:18:07 AM
We had a member who got candy pink rifles for his 8 year old twin daughters for christmas and talked about how normal that is to take them to the shooting range as a reward in a gun thread. 6-7 years ago? 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2019, 11:54:18 AM
woo someone had their balls twisted when he sat down.

Not even sure what your fucking point is, a president gives his thoughts and prayers to victims of a mass killing, if trump hasn't said anything you'd just as much call him a p.o.s. I know he's transparently easy to hate on but this is just pathetic on your part.

How is that you don't get his remarks? He is not talking about what he said or didn't or what was required to say in this situation. May be you should explain your comments in this situation. Because I believe you are doing this deliberately, or if you are that stupid may be you should be treated differently? After all it is first not fair to you, is it?

He is talking about the fact that he acts as this is something very normal, frankly wouldn't move a finger to do something about it, but only work for more guns to be in circulation in the country.

This is domestic terrorism. It's about white supremacy. This is right now the number one problem the country has. Yet the president can't even acknowledge what it really is. One of the first things Donald Trump did when he sat on that chair was to remove the term white supremacy from official gov sites. As long as he is concerned, it doesn't exist. It's a fucking lie.Obama is the president helped this term to be normalised.

Shootings, church burning...etc these perpetrators take support from Trump, because he is fucking racist. 3 historic churches were burnt in 10 days a few months ago. Black churches. The young white man was charged with 'hate crime'. 

Obama started a program to fight with domestic terrorism which largely is white terrorism. Trump declared he won't renew it last year, while FBI reports the problem is a white supremcy problem and it is getting bigger and bigger.


So yeah, Americans have a right to say anything about his approach, anything he said or didn't say...anything comes to their mind. I personally think Mike was pretty polite with sarcasm.

 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: SGOS on August 04, 2019, 12:16:39 PM
I've been around atheist forums for around 25 years, and I've heard the comment about presidents sending out thoughts and prayers at least that many times, along with the names of the presidents who said it (specifically, every president in the last 25 years).  As atheists, we know it's going to be said, because it's expected in our culture, and we realize that the remark, as warm and fuzzy as it sounds, is empty of rational meaning, and that not much else is going to get done.  As atheists we take it in stride, annoying as it is on principle.  There is no reason I can see that Trump must be excluded from the remarks we make about the rest of the lot.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2019, 12:43:29 PM
The general Trump politics is the reason for the escalation of white supremacist mass shootings. 

If a president openly,

-divides a nation by races, making vile comments about nonwhite communities
-calling hispanics 'rapists', a black majority community 'rat and rodent infested mess'
-defends white supremacists in a KKK rally,
-supports for getting more guns to stop mass shootings in schools,
-ignores the white domestic terrorism in his country,

he will be treated differently by anyone who has two brain cells to rub together. Yes, it is a political few words he is expected to say.

By the way, who was the last American president calling 6o million Americans rapists and thieves, again? Or defend KKK rally?

Did you guys know a few of the congresswomen started to get death threats just after his vile tweets about them?
 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 04, 2019, 01:31:32 PM
He is talking about the fact that he acts as this is something very normal, frankly wouldn't move a finger to do something about it, but only work for more guns to be in circulation in the country.

I would say that given what he said, trump is at least being a realist when it comes to americas problem with guns. No other president has fixed the issue, and him trying would just make no difference to the bigger problem that country has with its need for guns.

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This is domestic terrorism. It's about white supremacy. This is right now the number one problem the country has. Yet the president can't even acknowledge what it really is. One of the first things Donald Trump did when he sat on that chair was to remove the term white supremacy from official gov sites. As long as he is concerned, it doesn't exist. It's a fucking lie.Obama is the president helped this term to be normalised.

you think white supremacy is the no:1 problem in america? Seriously, it has way more problems then just the thing you fear. The rest of the world can see that.

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Shootings, church burning...etc these perpetrators take support from Trump, because he is fucking racist. 3 historic churches were burnt in 10 days a few months ago. Black churches. The young white man was charged with 'hate crime'.

Obama started a program to fight with domestic terrorism which largely is white terrorism. Trump declared he won't renew it last year, while FBI reports the problem is a white supremcy problem and it is getting bigger and bigger.

if obama was such a paragon why are there still major social and political  problems in america? Its all well and good putting someone on a pedestal, yet if your now concerned about these problems here what did he even do that was so great?

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So yeah, Americans have a right to say anything about his approach, anything he said or didn't say...anything comes to their mind. I personally think Mike was pretty polite with sarcasm.

americans also have the right to call out people for whatever political or social views they adhere to and argue against. Despite what you might think I'm not a fan of trump or the american conservative way of things, but I'm also someone who will happily call out others on their bullshit if its hypocritical.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 04, 2019, 01:47:19 PM
woo someone had their balls twisted when he sat down.

Not even sure what your fucking point is, a president gives his thoughts and prayers to victims of a mass killing, if trump hasn't said anything you'd just as much call him a p.o.s. I know he's transparently easy to hate on but this is just pathetic on your part.
Okay--I'll try to dumb it down for you this time, Munch.  Of course every president will sent 'thoughts and prayers' for every disaster and tragedy.  Every leader does.  The point I was making is that will be all that will be done; that's all we get, from top to bottom--thoughts and prayers.  That's it.  Nobody for at least the last 50 yrs. has done any more than that!  Apparently the NRA still controls congress, so nothing will be done.  Nothing.  So, Munch, you have my thoughts and prayers. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2019, 02:08:33 PM
I would say that given what he said, trump is at least being a realist when it comes to americas problem with guns. No other president has fixed the issue, and him trying would just make no difference to the bigger problem that country has with its need for guns.

LOL Yeah, more guns. Yeah he is very realistic. I am sure you know about the sudden, huge rise in the stabbing cases in London which started after Brexit? They need guns to protect themselves, don't they? Why don't you guys start a campaign for getting guns for personal protection in the UK. I am sure you'd support it?   

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you think white supremacy is the no:1 problem in america? Seriously, it has way more problems then just the thing you fear. The rest of the world can see that.

No. It's number one problem because the president is incompetent about everything he does, he tweets like a retarded 10 year old and playing with racist politics at the same time. His remarks, attitude and politics are the reason for the escalation of a specific mass murder. And anyone who acts as if this is something ordinary, has no idea where this is going.

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if obama was such a paragon why are there still major social and political  problems in america? Its all well and good putting someone on a pedestal, yet if your now concerned about these problems here what did he even do that was so great?

Stupid comparison. Stupid question. I have said Obama acknowledged the problem and tried to do something, while Trump fuels and acts as if a specific problem, staring everyone in the face doesn't exist. Do you understand the difference? Putting on a pedestal? Great? How old are you?

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americans also have the right to call out people for whatever political or social views they adhere to and argue against. Despite what you might think I'm not a fan of trump or the american conservative way of things, but I'm also someone who will happily call out others on their bullshit if its hypocritical.

I don't care who you support. You are not calling anyone on their bullshit. Mike was making an ordinary remark. There is nothing hypocritical about what he said.   

You always give the same idiotic reaction. Doesn't matter if it is a mass shooting with 20 dead or some statement some other moron made about a gender or a minority group on youtube. You sound like a teenager reddit poster. 

 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 04, 2019, 02:52:39 PM
Okay--I'll try to dumb it down for you this time, Munch.  Of course every president will sent 'thoughts and prayers' for every disaster and tragedy.  Every leader does.  The point I was making is that will be all that will be done; that's all we get, from top to bottom--thoughts and prayers.  That's it.  Nobody for at least the last 50 yrs. has done any more than that!  Apparently the NRA still controls congress, so nothing will be done.  Nothing.  So, Munch, you have my thoughts and prayers.

honestly unlike those living in america we brits don't have to fear school or church shootings like you guys do, so I'm fine here.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 04, 2019, 03:03:08 PM
LOL Yeah, more guns. Yeah he is very realistic. I am sure you know about the sudden, huge rise in the stabbing cases in London which started after Brexit? They need guns to protect themselves, don't they? Why don't you guys start a campaign for getting guns for personal protection in the UK. I am sure you'd support it?   

No. It's number one problem because the president is incompetent about everything he does, he tweets like a retarded 10 year old and playing with racist politics at the same time. His remarks, attitude and politics are the reason for the escalation of a specific mass murder. And anyone who acts as if this is something ordinary, has no idea where this is going.

Stupid comparison. Stupid question. I have said Obama acknowledged the problem and tried to do something, while Trump fuels and acts as if a specific problem, staring everyone in the face doesn't exist. Do you understand the difference? Putting on a pedestal? Great? How old are you?

I don't care who you support. You are not calling anyone on their bullshit. Mike was making an ordinary remark. There is nothing hypocritical about what he said.   

You always give the same idiotic reaction. Doesn't matter if it is a mass shooting with 20 dead or some statement some other moron made about a gender or a minority group on youtube. You sound like a teenager reddit poster.

if the conversation isn't to your taste thats your prerogative

Have you ever reread something you've posted and tried to look at it from an outsiders perspective? Maybe I'm just trying to rial you up because I see so much of this as a joke, but your the one giving the pent up reaction as if someone stepped on your shoes.

we live in turbulent political times, and I've just learned the best way of dealing with the social and political whirlpool is to mock it and see peoples reactions to it all. Otherwise your just be constantly unhappy.

Its funny because I share the same outlook now as Baruch, the only guy on this forum towards the more theistic belief, and one who himself looks at all this with passing disregard, which I often find makes more sense then anyone else here. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 04, 2019, 04:02:02 PM
Yes, when you do this you get on my nerves. I thought that was obvious. But as usual you made something up and went from there.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 04, 2019, 04:50:30 PM
We had a member who got candy pink rifles for his 8 year old twin daughters for christmas and talked about how normal that is to take them to the shooting range as a reward in a gun thread. 6-7 years ago? 

Your details are not quite right, but yes, at the request of one of my twin daughters I purchased and own a youth starter rifle six years ago. I took her shooting first at age 8. As a former US Navy officer, I fully qualified as an expert marksman in rifles and pistols. I did not take her shooting as a "reward". I took her at her request, and to teach her firearms safety. I keep all my firearms locked securely and take firearms safety seriously. I have also taken steps to ensure their security should friends or family members show concerns about me.

Six years later as a cadet in youth auxiliaries for both the US Navy and US Army, she has qualified as an expert marksman with both rifles and pistols. She has her sights set on gaining entry to the highly competitive US Naval Academy. She's getting straight A's to improve her chances and is on a dedicated physical training program.

Yes, I'm fully aware the USA has a gun culture problem, but militaries will be a necessary evil for centuries to come. As long as they are, it's important to have rising leaders who are responsible, thoughtful, and compassionate.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Draconic Aiur on August 04, 2019, 04:52:31 PM
Another mass shooting, now in Ohio.


https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/police-responding-active-shooting-oregon-district/dHOvgFCs726CylnDLdZQxM/ (https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime--law/police-responding-active-shooting-oregon-district/dHOvgFCs726CylnDLdZQxM/)

Fucking Hell.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 04, 2019, 04:53:06 PM

if obama was such a paragon why are there still major social and political  problems in america? Its all well and good putting someone on a pedestal, yet if your now concerned about these problems here what did he even do that was so great?


After the Newtown massacre Obama tried to pass legislation but the Republicans controlled both the house of representatives and the senate, and they blocked him in every way. Here's his speech on that occasion.

https://www.resetdoc.org/story/obamas-speech-in-the-wake-of-the-newtown-massacre/ (https://www.resetdoc.org/story/obamas-speech-in-the-wake-of-the-newtown-massacre/)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 04, 2019, 05:04:32 PM
Nobody for at least the last 50 yrs. has done any more than that!  Apparently the NRA still controls congress, so nothing will be done.  Nothing.

50 years ago is when the NRA changed its primary emphasis from a gun safety and marksmanship to white supremacy. The NRA backed gun control laws such as ending open carry when the Black Panthers were the primary open carriers.

Change will come all too slowly, but I think it will come. It will come because we've raised a generation plus of kids who grew up performing lockdown drills in school and hearing news report after news report of why they had to do that. Unfortunately, I do not think this nation will address the problem seriously until those generations have the reins of power.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 04, 2019, 05:13:18 PM
'round and around the not-so-merry circus of gun rights we go, again.

While the NRA and gun makers and sellers laugh all the way to the bank.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 04, 2019, 05:15:50 PM
While the NRA and gun makers and sellers laugh all the way to the bank.

If the gun lobby and NRA were smart, which of course nobody ever accused them of that, they'd work to get Democrats elected. Nothing makes gun bunnies hop to the gun stores like a Democratic president.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Shiranu on August 04, 2019, 05:18:55 PM
Your details are not quite right, but yes, at the request of one of my twin daughters I purchased and own a youth starter rifle six years ago. I took her shooting first at age 8. As a former US Navy officer, I fully qualified as an expert marksman in rifles and pistols. I did not take her shooting as a "reward". I took her at her request, and to teach her firearms safety. I keep all my firearms locked securely and take firearms safety seriously. I have also taken steps to ensure their security should friends or family members show concerns about me.

Six years later as a cadet in youth auxiliaries for both the US Navy and US Army, she has qualified as an expert marksman with both rifles and pistols. She has her sights set on gaining entry to the highly competitive US Naval Academy. She's getting straight A's to improve her chances and is on a dedicated physical training program.

Yes, I'm fully aware the USA has a gun culture problem, but militaries will be a necessary evil for centuries to come. As long as they are, it's important to have rising leaders who are responsible, thoughtful, and compassionate.

I do think there needs to be a separation between military gun culture and "American", shoot-em-up gun culture.

My dad taught me how to shoot when I was younger; we lived on a farm, he was ex-Air Force and it was useful to know how to properly handle a rifle as well as common sense things like never keep you finger on the trigger, make sure the gun is unloaded and the safety is on until you are ready to use it, and never point it at someone without intending to shoot them (both of which, once I started shooting with people who weren't raised around guns, I realised weren't as common sense as you would think).

The only real flaw was we didn't keep the guns locked up, but... it was a different time so to speak (my dad was my step-great-grandfather).

As far as I know, the overwhelming majority of shooters are not formally trained in gun use, or even trained by someone with formal experience.  This is going to come as a shock given how "anti-gun" I am, but I have no problem with parents teaching their children proper gun usage, maintenance, and discipline. They are a useful tool and one that people should know how to operate.

General American gun culture and knowledge of guns is much more... action movie influenced, and that in it's self is a huge issue.

Ideally, only heirloom guns and extremely limited round guns should be allowed... and that only after extensive background checks and training. Likewise I think it needs to be stressed more and more how much more dangerous a household with a gun is to one that isn't, and in the case where the gun is in a house with a family... all members of the family have to be checked and also have to consent to having a gun in their house.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 04, 2019, 05:34:34 PM
If the gun lobby and NRA were smart, which of course nobody ever accused them of that, they'd work to get Democrats elected. Nothing makes gun bunnies hop to the gun stores like a Democratic president.

Hey, glad to see you aileron! Been a while since you were here, hope you're doing well.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 04, 2019, 06:05:29 PM
As far as I know, the overwhelming majority of shooters are not formally trained in gun use, or even trained by someone with formal experience.

Agreed. I don't think this is what the Framers had in mind when they referenced a "well-regulated militia":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2qJqDBM58

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This is going to come as a shock given how "anti-gun" I am, but I have no problem with parents teaching their children proper gun usage, maintenance, and discipline.

I agree. Traditionally, US kids got exposed to firearms through their fathers or grandfathers hunting. Hunting in the USA has declined by 50% in 50 years. Now when kids are exposed to firearms for the first time, it's often not from a responsible adult like your father. It's all too often a gun fetishist, right wing nut or prepper who exposes them to firearms the first time.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 04, 2019, 06:11:29 PM
Hey, glad to see you aileron! Been a while since you were here, hope you're doing well.

Thanks, Unbeliever. I've not been doing well since January 20, 2017, but hope to start feeling better January 20, 2021.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?csz=1&iso=20210120T00&msg=Time+left+until+Trump+leaves+office&p0=263
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 04, 2019, 06:32:42 PM
Agreed. I don't think this is what the Framers had in mind when they referenced a "well-regulated militia":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2qJqDBM58

I agree. Traditionally, US kids got exposed to firearms through their fathers or grandfathers hunting. Hunting in the USA has declined by 50% in 50 years. Now when kids are exposed to firearms for the first time, it's often not from a responsible adult like your father. It's all too often a gun fetishist, right wing nut or prepper who exposes them to firearms the first time.


I recognized one of those from years ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paxk_LPmdMI



Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:39:43 PM
If the gun lobby and NRA were smart, which of course nobody ever accused them of that, they'd work to get Democrats elected. Nothing makes gun bunnies hop to the gun stores like a Democratic president.

Except for 1861-1865.  I wish we had communism in 1861, then the Rebels would have no arms.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:40:42 PM
honestly unlike those living in america we brits don't have to fear school or church shootings like you guys do, so I'm fine here.

Just knifing in London, and communist revolution in Labor/Lib-Dem.  Yes, you are so ... safe (cough, cough).  Britain is the most police state outside of NorK.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
We had a member who got candy pink rifles for his 8 year old twin daughters for christmas and talked about how normal that is to take them to the shooting range as a reward in a gun thread. 6-7 years ago?

Fanatical.  Whirling Dervishes are safer.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 04, 2019, 07:41:36 PM
honestly unlike those living in america we brits don't have to fear school or church shootings like you guys do, so I'm fine here.
I envy you that.  I hope it never changes.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:42:56 PM
The recent stats show that 25% of mass shooters had mental diseases. The other 75% didn't. So that's that. But most Americans believe it's their God-given right to own a gun. In a country where there are more guns than people, it's a surprise that we don't have more mass shootings.

Sociopathy isn't an illness.  Psychosis is.  Almost all people are psychopathic (twisted personality), and a section of the psychopaths are the sociopaths.  It would be so convenient if all bad people were psychotic.  Hitler for example, was not.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:43:44 PM
'round and around the not-so-merry circus of gun rights we go, again.

You have no rights.  The government can rob, rape or kill you at will.  Democratically if necessary.  That is what a government is for, to avoid vigilantes.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:46:27 PM
How is that you don't get his remarks? He is not talking about what he said or didn't or what was required to say in this situation. May be you should explain your comments in this situation. Because I believe you are doing this deliberately, or if you are that stupid may be you should be treated differently? After all it is first not fair to you, is it?

He is talking about the fact that he acts as this is something very normal, frankly wouldn't move a finger to do something about it, but only work for more guns to be in circulation in the country.

This is domestic terrorism. It's about white supremacy. This is right now the number one problem the country has. Yet the president can't even acknowledge what it really is. One of the first things Donald Trump did when he sat on that chair was to remove the term white supremacy from official gov sites. As long as he is concerned, it doesn't exist. It's a fucking lie.Obama is the president helped this term to be normalised.

Shootings, church burning...etc these perpetrators take support from Trump, because he is fucking racist. 3 historic churches were burnt in 10 days a few months ago. Black churches. The young white man was charged with 'hate crime'. 

Obama started a program to fight with domestic terrorism which largely is white terrorism. Trump declared he won't renew it last year, while FBI reports the problem is a white supremcy problem and it is getting bigger and bigger.


So yeah, Americans have a right to say anything about his approach, anything he said or didn't say...anything comes to their mind. I personally think Mike was pretty polite with sarcasm.

Mike is all about Liberal dictatorship?  Maybe you can get him to Pinochet Turkey for you?

Most people in the US are White.  So most terrorism is White.  So are most welfare mothers.  The biggest beneficiaries of 60s liberalism was White women.  But that isn't true of violent crime ... young Black men specialize in that ;-(
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:47:57 PM
The general Trump politics is the reason for the escalation of white supremacist mass shootings. 

If a president openly,

-divides a nation by races, making vile comments about nonwhite communities
-calling hispanics 'rapists', a black majority community 'rat and rodent infested mess'
-defends white supremacists in a KKK rally,
-supports for getting more guns to stop mass shootings in schools,
-ignores the white domestic terrorism in his country,

he will be treated differently by anyone who has two brain cells to rub together. Yes, it is a political few words he is expected to say.

By the way, who was the last American president calling 6o million Americans rapists and thieves, again? Or defend KKK rally?

Did you guys know a few of the congresswomen started to get death threats just after his vile tweets about them?

Wrong.  You want Obama as President for Life, right?  Kill all White Males party?  True that TDS is worldwide.  Particularly in China.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mermaid on August 04, 2019, 07:51:02 PM
Wrong.  You want Obama as President for Life, right?  Kill all White Males party?
Dude, WHAT THE FUCK????
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 04, 2019, 07:52:07 PM
50 years ago is when the NRA changed its primary emphasis from a gun safety and marksmanship to white supremacy. The NRA backed gun control laws such as ending open carry when the Black Panthers were the primary open carriers.

Change will come all too slowly, but I think it will come. It will come because we've raised a generation plus of kids who grew up performing lockdown drills in school and hearing news report after news report of why they had to do that. Unfortunately, I do not think this nation will address the problem seriously until those generations have the reins of power.
I do remember finding out about the NRA when I was 10'ish or so.  And it was because they offered gun classes featuring safety.  As for change, I'm afraid you are right.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:52:39 PM
50 years ago is when the NRA changed its primary emphasis from a gun safety and marksmanship to white supremacy. The NRA backed gun control laws such as ending open carry when the Black Panthers were the primary open carriers.

Change will come all too slowly, but I think it will come. It will come because we've raised a generation plus of kids who grew up performing lockdown drills in school and hearing news report after news report of why they had to do that. Unfortunately, I do not think this nation will address the problem seriously until those generations have the reins of power.

Someone who knows!  Amazing here.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 04, 2019, 07:54:17 PM
Just knifing in London, and communist revolution in Labor/Lib-Dem.  Yes, you are so ... safe (cough, cough).

true true, we have our own brand of shit to deal with. I just seriously wouldn't feel safe walking anywhere in america, while here it at least feels like these high crime rate areas can be pinpointed more.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:54:29 PM
Agreed. I don't think this is what the Framers had in mind when they referenced a "well-regulated militia":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX2qJqDBM58

I agree. Traditionally, US kids got exposed to firearms through their fathers or grandfathers hunting. Hunting in the USA has declined by 50% in 50 years. Now when kids are exposed to firearms for the first time, it's often not from a responsible adult like your father. It's all too often a gun fetishist, right wing nut or prepper who exposes them to firearms the first time.

Most gun training these days comes from street gangs.  I had my father.  My daughter is uninterested, and I won't force her to be so.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
Dude, WHAT THE FUCK????

Satire about a particular person, who is Turkish.  Drunkenshoe is a Euro-Marxist.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 08:00:32 PM
true true, we have our own brand of shit to deal with. I just seriously wouldn't feel safe walking anywhere in america, while here it at least feels like these high crime rate areas can be pinpointed more.

Yes, roving gangs of homophobic mutants everywhere.  Well, I wouldn't feel safe being publicly gay, anywhere.  Sad but true.  But remember, high casualty events are rare ... it is more likely to break your neck falling in the bathroom.  I have been nervous only once, when a White man, in a restaurant, was doing "open carry".  I guess he wanted to have the means to complain about the food or service ;-(  I have lived in bad neighborhoods.  Had a mob hit across the street.  Wasn't afraid.  You simply have to know how to behave, around the particular people you are among ... and what hour it is safe to be there.  3am in a druggy neighborhood ... bad plan.  Showing up to the John Birch Society meeting in drag ... maybe not good situation awareness.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 04, 2019, 08:00:53 PM
Dude, WHAT THE FUCK????

(https://i.imgur.com/nUualaz.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 04, 2019, 08:02:31 PM
Yes, roving gangs of homophobic mutants everywhere.  Well, I wouldn't feel safe being publicly gay, anywhere.  Sad but true.  But remember, high casualty events are rare ... it is more likely to break your neck falling in the bathroom.

eeeh, despite whatever media tells you those gangs are more isolated to certain areas. for now anyway.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 08:06:13 PM
eeeh, despite whatever media tells you those gangs are more isolated to certain areas. for now anyway.

The Media lies about everything.  They allow commercial advertisements after all.  See enhanced comments in prior post above.  Real life.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Draconic Aiur on August 04, 2019, 08:32:19 PM
The Media lies about everything.  They allow commercial advertisements after all.  See enhanced comments in prior post above.  Real life.

Where do you get your news? Conspiracy USA?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 04, 2019, 08:46:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1VABZER.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 04, 2019, 08:46:52 PM
Where do you get your news? Conspiracy USA?
His "news" smells like shit for a reason.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Shiranu on August 04, 2019, 08:52:40 PM
Where do you get your news? Conspiracy USA?

I mean, the media does generally lie about most things; or more accurately presents it in a very intentionally crafted way to evoke a certain response from the viewer. News corporations are just that - corporations, and at the end of the day their objective is not to bring you accurate information... it's to make sure their shareholders are happy.


The "purest" media you are going to find are sources like AP and Reuters, who are mostly journalists rather than pundits. But what you watch on T.V., or read on the internet, is overwhelmingly the work of pundits rather than journalists. In terms of pretty non-biased pundits, your best bet are from companies like Forbes & TIME... and lowkey The Rolling Stone actually has some really talented investigative journalists in their staff.

Some of it is malicious, conspiracy shit... and a lot of it is just human nature. We literally all do it with our speech, it's just more damaging when people with bigger audiences do it.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 08:54:01 PM
Where do you get your news? Conspiracy USA?

Direct from trannie-Muslim central control ... aka DNC ;-)

I troll various on-line sources, mostly British, some US, and compare ... both in terms of balance, and in terms of "sanity".  Mostly DNC and RNC are exponents of insanity, along with their "useful idiots" in the US media.  Are they useful?  Only in the sense of "if DNC/RNC say it is so" ... you can pretty much say ... distraction or opposite is true.  No fan of Alex Jones.  He tells truths that are NOT to be told ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
His "news" smells like shit for a reason.

Shit is fertilizer.  More useful than the usual swamp gas here ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 04, 2019, 10:58:46 PM
His "news" smells like shit for a reason.

It's worse than that. Our permanent troll on AF should be in a mental institute.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 12:43:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nUualaz.jpg)

Offended? Doubtful. Appalled by such a mindlessly stupid statement? Well, it's Baruch, so I've pretty much grown to accept this as the norm from him. Of course, you would be the one person who wouldn't see how stupid the idea of a "Kill all White Males Party" is, given you think the majority group with nearly complete political power are more oppressed than the GRSM.

And cut it out with this stupid idea of yours that Liberals are easily offended. Look in the mirror.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 04:53:07 AM
Your details are not quite right, but yes, at the request of one of my twin daughters I purchased and own a youth starter rifle six years ago. I took her shooting first at age 8. As a former US Navy officer, I fully qualified as an expert marksman in rifles and pistols. I did not take her shooting as a "reward". I took her at her request, and to teach her firearms safety. I keep all my firearms locked securely and take firearms safety seriously. I have also taken steps to ensure their security should friends or family members show concerns about me.

Six years later as a cadet in youth auxiliaries for both the US Navy and US Army, she has qualified as an expert marksman with both rifles and pistols. She has her sights set on gaining entry to the highly competitive US Naval Academy. She's getting straight A's to improve her chances and is on a dedicated physical training program.

Yes, I'm fully aware the USA has a gun culture problem, but militaries will be a necessary evil for centuries to come. As long as they are, it's important to have rising leaders who are responsible, thoughtful, and compassionate.

I am actually not interested in your reasons or explanations or what is your job, or why you did it. Buying an 8 year old kid a fire arm, designed for children and taking her to a shooting range is not OK. By 'reward', I meant taking a kid to somewhere to do something in Christmas. Yes, it is a reward. A big one.  Christmas is not an ordinary weekend fun.

As I see it, 8 year old kids do not have requests. They do not have the fortitude to make requests or choices. They just want things, as all kids do. 8 year old kids, esp. daughters will do anything to make their fathers happy or proud, to do something with them, esp. if it is something related to their occupation and make them openly proud.

A boy wouldn't have much choice, it would be automatically expected from him. But then daughters and fathers have a more intense relationship. Not to mention a daughter being successful at something male dominant like this is always more precious for a father in the same occupation. 

Your daughter didn't choose anything. You made a choice for her. This is about you. It's about making you happy. She liked it, well, why wouldn't she? It was a game she can play with you and it made you happy. 

If you made her do something else with you when she was 8, show the same positive atitude, support, pride she can see; let her have that confident now she has, she would have the same success with almost anything. Anything. That's how kids, people work. And you chose to give her a gun, because it is you.

It's pretty much like those mothers who put their daughters in beauty pagaents. All those girls 'request' that when they are 8, you can be sure about that. Yes they enjoy it. The clothes, the attention. Everyone loves them. They work hard too. They can make a life, they can even get scholarships, the world is their oyster...blah blah If we cut the politically correct bullshit, it is all about those mothers, isn't it? It's about making them happy first. Society just looks down on thisone and praise something like yours.

How are these things are similar, besides actually being about parents? They are both adult actions. Giving a child a fire arm at 8, or sexualising a child at 8 for competition; to start them in a life are not different from each other. It's not something those kids have chosen and they can't even know the difference.

So, yeah I think the same things I did 6 years ago.
       
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 05:37:50 AM
...General American gun culture and knowledge of guns is much more... action movie influenced, and that in it's self is a huge issue. ...

Could that be because they get used to them very early as kids and don't respect, even get the lethal power of the object they handle? Not to mention that people are not equally mature or responsible. Trusting people; parents on this, is madness. 

Knowing America, I get the early driving thing. You cannot survive there, if you don't drive. It's different over here, so most people around the world don't get it.

They can't drink till 21, can't smoke tabacco till 18, but can 'handle' guns if you 'teach' them younger than that?

Even letting a 16 year old kid drink a couple of glass of hard liquor under supervision has a logic in itself. She/he could experience the effect and get to know that this shit is something completely different when you consume it, but there is no risk. The worst case they would puke. So they learn 'I got to watch this!' But fire arms are not hard liquor. Or a lighter. Or a knife. Or a car.

If you want to raise healthy adults, kids should stay as kids. They should especially stay away from adult actions up to a certain age. 

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:10:33 AM
It's worse than that. Our permanent troll on AF should be in a mental institute.

You are not getting enough sleep.  Sleep Joe ... sleep ...

No, all the liberals need to be in the Gulag ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:14:09 AM
Offended? Doubtful. Appalled by such a mindlessly stupid statement? Well, it's Baruch, so I've pretty much grown to accept this as the norm from him. Of course, you would be the one person who wouldn't see how stupid the idea of a "Kill all White Males Party" is, given you think the majority group with nearly complete political power are more oppressed than the GRSM.

And cut it out with this stupid idea of yours that Liberals are easily offended. Look in the mirror.

No satire allowed.  No jokes allowed.  No criticism allowed.  Make the universe a "safe space".  Really?  Is this the High Court of Scotland?  Count Dankula did nothing wrong.  Pandering courts and politicians are the offal in the sceptic tank.

I wish it was true, that Democrats weren't evil.  I wish Republicans weren't evil.  But both of you are.  Embrace your inner evil.  Follow attached ULR to get lessons from Darth Vader today!

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GRSM
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:16:22 AM
Actual news ...

"Dayton suspect compiled 'hit list' and 'rape list' in high school: reports" ... second shooter.  Looks like yet another crazy person ... not locked up proactively by public health (as true before 1975), until the Liberals got their dirty hands into it ...

Like Columbine and so many others.  Oh and don't forget, Trump used his mind control rays to make them do this.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 06:50:31 AM
Like Columbine and so many others.  Oh and don't forget, Trump used his mind control rays to make them do this.

Pffft. That's screaming 'I'm a republican'. Putting 'Trump' there doesn't fool anyone. Oh wait, may be the republicans? :*


Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 05, 2019, 07:03:28 AM
It's worse than that. Our permanent troll on AF should be in a mental institute.
Could you find one large enough?

Outside of the Capitol Building, that is.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Draconic Aiur on August 05, 2019, 07:20:12 AM
Direct from trannie-Muslim central control ... aka DNC ;-)

I troll various on-line sources, mostly British, some US, and compare ... both in terms of balance, and in terms of "sanity".  Mostly DNC and RNC are exponents of insanity, along with their "useful idiots" in the US media.  Are they useful?  Only in the sense of "if DNC/RNC say it is so" ... you can pretty much say ... distraction or opposite is true.  No fan of Alex Jones.  He tells truths that are NOT to be told ;-)

Your like my brother but worse
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 08:01:46 AM
Could you find one large enough?

Outside of the Capitol Building, that is.

Mavin the Robot (HHGTTG) ... my brain is the size of a planet, and I have to put up with these idiots ...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 08:03:21 AM
Your like my brother but worse

He also gets radio signals thru his tooth fillings from trannie-Muslim central control ... aka DNC ;-)

Alex Jones and the gay frogs story ... forget you ever heard it .. or else.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 08:48:56 AM
I stop watching the news channels when there is "breaking news" about a mass shooting.  This is not from indifference.  It is that, for a couple days, there really isn't any meaningful information and the news of the rest of the world is ignored.  All they do is speculate and show the same couple of minutes of video over and over and over.

I can't stop the gun-crazies, I can't stop the lobbyists, and I can't stop the elected politicians who bow to them saying for a few days that "it is too soon" and then pivoting to "that's in the past".  All I can do is decide to support any and all candidates who swear they will enact gun-control measures.

So I put Ken Burn's 'Civil War' or 'Baseball" in the DVD or tune to the Cartoon Channel or such and leave it playing while I clean house, cook dinner, attend to the cats, weed the garden, etc.  At least it isn't the unknown "who what where why how" before the facts are even known. 

I wait for facts to come...

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: SGOS on August 05, 2019, 09:13:14 AM
I wait for facts to come...
If they ever do.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 05, 2019, 09:19:28 AM
Could you find one large enough?

Outside of the Capitol Building, that is.

You mean tiny. Anything large would overstimulate his conspiracy theory to the nth degree. Confinement, eyes patches, earplugs and straitjacket. Just let him drink from a straw, and even then his nutjob of a brain would go into warp drive.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 09:24:44 AM
If they ever do.

Eventually.  Slowly.  Gradually...  But at least on a surface level of hate posts and group memeberships*.  I don't care to get into the psychology of the killer in his youth with bad parents and being bullied.

*  Hey that was a typo, but "meme" berships might be a good one for the current times.  If so, I claim full credit!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 10:42:25 AM
Republican guide to mass shootings:

(https://leisureguy.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/screen-shot-2017-11-09-at-1-40-38-pm.png)

Only thing missing is "blame the mentally ill." I also like how some Conservative Christians will say, "It's not about guns; it's a condition of the heart. The world is evil." Because if it's a white guy, it's the whole world's fault.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 10:59:57 AM
Republican guide to mass shootings:

(https://leisureguy.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/screen-shot-2017-11-09-at-1-40-38-pm.png)

Only thing missing is "blame the mentally ill." I also like how some Conservative Christians will say, "It's not about guns; it's a condition of the heart. The world is evil." Because if it's a white guy, it's the whole world's fault.

Closest thing I've seen to a good flow chart in decades...  I often scribble flow charts when trying to evaluate a decision.

OK, so we know all that about bigotry.  What do we do to change it?  More Republicans?  LOL?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 11:30:59 AM
Closest thing I've seen to a good flow chart in decades...  I often scribble flow charts when trying to evaluate a decision.

OK, so we know all that about bigotry.  What do we do to change it?  More Republicans?  LOL?

I recommend quite the opposite solution. Mass deport Republicans.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 11:48:05 AM
I recommend quite the opposite solution. Mass deport Republicans.

Yes, Jefferson Davis agrees with you!  Next, mass deport Democrats ... Lincoln agrees to that.  Extremists have no place in America.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 11:51:06 AM
Hot relevant news for Cavebear to ignore ... if CNN doesn't say it, it isn't true ...

"Dayton Shooter Connor Betts Was a Socialist Radicalized by Legacy Media" ... so blame anti-Fa.

"Confusion: Biden offers sympathy for the ‘tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan’" ... pathetic grandpa frontrunner of the D-morons.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Shiranu on August 05, 2019, 01:20:21 PM
Hot relevant news for Cavebear to ignore ... if CNN doesn't say it, it isn't true ...

"Dayton Shooter Connor Betts Was a Socialist Radicalized by Legacy Media" ... so blame anti-Fa.

"Confusion: Biden offers sympathy for the ‘tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan’" ... pathetic grandpa frontrunner of the D-morons.

I’m not even saying it’s wrong, I just haven’t looked it up since I’m on lunch break, but you gotta provide citations when you make claims like this.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:25:17 PM
I’m not even saying it’s wrong, I just haven’t looked it up since I’m on lunch break, but you gotta provide citations when you make claims like this.

That would take too much time and effort.  Then no pro-bono, you have to hire me as a correspondent (they mostly copy other people's shit too).

You could Google the source in most cases.  If I bothered to provide a source (and yes, some stuff is preliminary or speculation) then the source is attacked (not CNN, Washington Post (aka Dem sources)).
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 01:28:56 PM
I recommend quite the opposite solution. Mass deport Republicans.

See?  That's what I mean about sarcasm not working in writing very well... 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 05, 2019, 01:29:07 PM
I am actually not interested in your reasons or explanations or what is your job...

Nor am I interested in your opinions of how I live my life. Save your typing.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 01:33:54 PM
Trump was on the news just a few mins ago over here. He condemned 'white supremacy' and of course blamed video games, social media...lol.

"Mental illness and hate pull the trigger, not the gun."

Yeah well, there will be backlash. Any sort of. 
 

 


Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 01:39:08 PM
Nor am I interested in your opinions of how I live my life. Save your typing.

You are the one who felt the need to explain your life. There was no nick around before your response. You could have easily ignored it.   
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 01:42:02 PM
Oh and don't forget, Trump used his mind control rays to make them do this.

He doesn't need a mind control ray, he just needs language - and he's got all the best words, remember?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:42:20 PM
Trump was on the news just a few mins ago over here. He condemned 'white supremacy' and of course blamed video games, social media...lol.

"Mental illness and hate pull the trigger, not the gun."

Yeah well, there will be backlash. Any sort of. 
 

Trump lies of course.  Same as Obama in that position.  Americans are natural born killers ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpLKNclOtLg

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:43:47 PM
He doesn't need a mind control ray, he just needs language - and he's got all the bet words, remember?

Not your "bet" posting.  You fail.  Report to Communist San Francisco liquidation center.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 01:45:03 PM
I stop watching the news channels when there is "breaking news" about a mass shooting.  This is not from indifference.  It is that, for a couple days, there really isn't any meaningful information and the news of the rest of the world is ignored.  All they do is speculate and show the same couple of minutes of video over and over and over.

I'm the same way, give it a couple of days for the facts to gel. All that panic at first is not informative, just noisy.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
Trump was on the news just a few mins ago over here. He condemned 'white supremacy' and of course blamed video games, social media...lol.

"Mental illness and hate pull the trigger, not the gun."

Yeah well, there will be backlash. Any sort of. 
 

Yeah, those darn guns.  They just go off when you aren't expecting it.  We should all just have swords. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:46:40 PM
Yeah, those darn guns.  They just go off when you aren't expecting it.  We should all just have swords.

Yes.  I would prefer slow death by knife on any intruder in my home.  More fun.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 01:48:33 PM
I'm the same way, give it a couple of days for the facts to gel. All that panic at first is not informative, just noisy.

I'm waiting for Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow tonight.  Hoping for a brief evaluation of what is actually known about the shootings and then something about world events...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 01:50:37 PM
Not your "bet" posting.  You fail.  Report to Communist San Francisco liquidation center.

I'll fall on my sword - just as soon as I finish this cup of coffee...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 01:50:54 PM
Yes.  I would prefer slow death by knife on any intruder in my home.  More fun.

I have 2 sharp gladiuses (gladii?) in the house, one real long sword, and you should see my deli knife... 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 01:51:45 PM
I was watching a 10 min video of the movie 'We need to talk about Kevin', I haven't seen the movie and honestly I am not planning to. It's too real life.

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 01:51:57 PM
I'll fall on my sword just as soon as I finish this cup of coffee...

Don't do THAT!  There will be coffee everywhere.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 01:52:05 PM
Yes.  I would prefer slow death by knife on any intruder in my home.  More fun.

Yeah, up close, and personal! That's the ticket!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:53:45 PM
I'm waiting for Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow tonight.  Hoping for a brief evaluation of what is actually known about the shootings and then something about world events...

You really should stop taking MSM bath salts.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 01:53:58 PM
Yes.  I would prefer slow death by knife on any intruder in my home.  More fun.

Better than a bullet in your stomach?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 01:54:12 PM
Don't do THAT!  There will be coffee everywhere.

Oh my, what a waste! LOL
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:54:40 PM
I have 2 sharp gladiuses (gladii?) in the house, one real long sword, and you should see my deli knife...

Do the Hindus approve of your Delhi knife?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 01:55:38 PM
Trump was on the news just a few mins ago over here. He condemned 'white supremacy' and of course blamed video games, social media...lol.

"Mental illness and hate pull the trigger, not the gun."

Yeah well, there will be backlash. Any sort of.

I'm fucking tired of Republicans making stupid, baseless claims like this. We do not have a mental illness epidemic. We have a gun epidemic. If he finally acknowledged white supremacy as an issue, good, I guess. But I find that a bit hard to believe. I did see him propose capital punishment for hate crimes. Because of course, that's the solution. Mass shooters are always terrified of dying. That's why they never shoot themselves before falling into police custody. Oh wait...

I suspect he has an ulterior motive for this. "Quick and decisive" capital punishment for "hate crimes." In other words, he hopes to remove due process for the accused, further increasing the risk of innocent people being sent to death row. I suspect Trump would have a very convenient definition of the word "hate crime."

And of course, blame the video games. He heard people talking about video games making people more violent, and hearsay is always true. If only there were a branch of science which had decades worth of studies on the subject... If only.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:56:07 PM
I was watching a 10 min video of the movie 'We need to talk about Kevin', I haven't seen the movie and honestly I am not planning to. It's too real life.

Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

No thanks.  There is a true crime show out of India, in Hindi (sometimes with English subtitles) ... based on real nasty cases.  Terrible stuff.  Had to stop watching.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 01:56:54 PM
Yeah, up close, and personal! That's the ticket!

Only if it is McDonalds "lava" coffee.  Ice coffee, not so much.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 01:59:31 PM
Better than a bullet in your stomach?

Yeah.  It does take more effort to fall on a sword than blow your brains out all over the room.  Cleaner too.  So there would be fewer suicides.  Plus, not many road rage people would get in a sword fight.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 02:00:42 PM
Yeah.  It does take more effort to fall on a sword than blow your brains out all over the room.  Cleaner too.  So there would be fewer suicides.  Plus, not many road rage people would get in a sword fight.

Limit it to dick fights between gay men ...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 02:09:39 PM
Yeah.  It does take more effort to fall on a sword than blow your brains out all over the room.  Cleaner too.  So there would be fewer suicides.  Plus, not many road rage people would get in a sword fight.

No, I meant bullet in the stomach compared to a knife in the stomach. I have read that a bullet in the stomach takes a long time to die and it is very painful. Apparently, it's not cleaner, because of the stomach acid? I guess the knife going that deep is a low chance, but a bullet is certain.

But sword wounds are not common wounds. I mean knives. 

Most Americans find knife deaths more scary because of the gun culture, lol. There was a something on this.

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 02:11:50 PM
No, I meant bullet in the stomach compared to a knife n a stomach. I have read that a bullet in the stomach takes a long time die and it is very painful. Apparently, it's not cleaner, because of stomach the acid? I guess the knife going that deep is a low chance, but a bullet is certain.

But sword wounds are not common wounds. I mean knives. 

Most Americans find knife deaths more scary because of the gun culture, lol. There was a something on this.

Don't show your belly, avoid both.  I prefer Apache style flaying.  Followed by burial in a fire ant hill.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 02:12:59 PM
No, I meant bullet in the stomach compared to a knife n a stomach. I have read that a bullet in the stomach takes a long time die and it is very painful. Apparently, it's not cleaner, because of stomach the acid? I guess the knife going that deep is a low chance, but a bullet is certain.

But sword wounds are not common wounds. I mean knives. 

Most Americans find knife deaths more scary because of the gun culture, lol. There was a something on this.

It may be more the kind of wound.  A gut wound will linger for days before you die regardless of cause.  In sword fights, there is usually a shield and gut wounds are more common.  With guns, you tend to shoot the head or torso and bleed to death quickly.  The victim, not the shooter...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 02:15:28 PM
Of course, Trump uses El Paso as an excuse to push immigration reform. Even though the murderer was specifically targeting immigrants (or at least, people he perceived as being immigrants). Fewer immigrants, fewer victims, right? Wut?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 02:20:19 PM
Don't show your belly, avoid both.  I prefer Apache style flaying.  Followed by burial in a fire ant hill.

Well, if you want pain, skin-flaying is always good.  But don't discount staked wet leather straps pulling your limbs apart as they dry or the vultures.  I've read of some people buried up to the neck so wolves could nibble at will (well they don't nibble but you can't do much about it.  And there are vultures...

Didn't Winston face a mask of rats?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 02:23:57 PM
Well, if you want pain, skin-flaying is always good.  But don't discount staked wet leather straps pulling your limbs apart as they dry or the vultures.  I've read of some people buried up to the neck so wolves could nibble at will (well they don't nibble but you can't do much about it.  And there are vultures...

Didn't Winston face a mask of rats?

Correct, rat mask.  Not ratatouille.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 03:36:27 PM
It may be more the kind of wound.  A gut wound will linger for days before you die regardless of cause.  In sword fights, there is usually a shield and gut wounds are more common.  With guns, you tend to shoot the head or torso and bleed to death quickly.  The victim, not the shooter...

Where and how are you going to get a sword wound? I was thinking about a knife. Most swords are not even sharp they are just heavy. Well, apart from the katanas that is. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 05, 2019, 03:56:58 PM
sooo, is anyone going to discuss the fact these mass shootings are clear examples of extremism on both sides of the political spectrum?

or is it another case of because one was a far right, all far right are to blame for it, but the other guy who was far leftist, that was just an individual thing and he was mentally unwell, nothing else to blame.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 05, 2019, 04:07:00 PM
sooo, is anyone going to discuss the fact these mass shootings are clear examples of extremism on both sides of the political spectrum?

or is it another case of because one was a far right, all far right are to blame for it, but the other guy who was far leftist, that was just an individual thing and he was mentally unwell, nothing else to blame.

What's your source for "...the other guy who was far leftist..."?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: PopeyesPappy on August 05, 2019, 04:11:34 PM
What's your source for "...the other guy who was far leftist..."?

From what I've read both their political ideology was all over the place.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 05, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
From what I've read both their political ideology was all over the place.

So that leaves room for both sides to cherry pick. Seems nobody wants mass murderers on their team.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 04:25:00 PM
I was going to ask the same question. Which one is the far left mass murderer?

El Paso psycho sounds clear. Are we talking about Dayton perpetrators?

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 04:26:04 PM
Where and how are you going to get a sword wound? I was thinking about a knife. Most swords are not even sharp they are just heavy. Well, apart from the katanas that is.

I bought a few replica weapons decades ago (it was a random catalog, but that's why they mail them) and sharpened the edges of the 2 gladius swords on my grinding wheel.  Those are sufficiently close to real to be functional and are essentially machetes with dual cutting edges and a point.  The Epee isn't exactly Damascus steel, but the point is the point.  That is for stabbing between shields (I think). The swords you see in movies were for specialists.  Big huge weightlifter guys.  And 30 minutes and they were done!  But most swords through history worked by stabbing or slicing and they weren't really heavy. You had to wield them all day, after all!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 04:32:28 PM
I bought a few replica weapons decades ago (it was a random catalog, but that's why they mail them) and sharpened the edges of the 2 gladius swords on my grinding wheel.  Those are sufficiently close to real to be functional and are essentially machetes with dual cutting edges and a point.  The Epee isn't exactly Damascus steel, but the point is the point.  That is for stabbing between shields (I think). The swords you see in movies were for specialists.  Big huge weightlifter guys.  And 30 minutes and they were done!  But most swords through history worked by stabbing or slicing and they weren't really heavy. You had to wield them all day, after all!

I had a rich friend who is fond of heavy medieval swords. He used to order from Soctland. This is long time ago. I tried to lift a two handed, loool. I managed. May be they are commercial ones, I have no idea. But even the smaller ones they call 'bastard swords' ? was very heavy. They look like they are made to crush, not cut anything. But then I have the physical power of 5 cats. It's freaking steel you know. It's normal that they are that heavy. 

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 05, 2019, 04:33:26 PM
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 04:38:13 PM
I was going to ask the same question. Which one is the far left mass murderer?

El Paso psycho sounds clear. Are we talking about Dayton perpetrators?

I do gather from reports that the El Paso shooter posted anti-immigrant writings.  That would be a far-right thing.  The Dayton shooter "seems" to be an angry teen student and the motive is not yet known.  THat's from The New York Times an hour ago.  The most recent I could find...

Be calm, be still, wait for more information...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 05, 2019, 04:49:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/e3cv7XI.jpg)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 05, 2019, 05:01:11 PM
See Obama getting in on some of that sweet, sweet politicising. If it really matters to him, maybe he should have tried harder to treat the condition when he could, it's not like he didn't have time to do so, two terms in office.

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 05:09:14 PM
See Obama getting in on some of that sweet, sweet politicising. If it really matters to him, maybe he should have tried harder to treat the condition when he could, it's not like he didn't have time to do so, two terms in office.

Moscow Mitch stopped everything Obama tried, as the Republicans have at every Democratic President since Carter.  You can't (justifiably) blame a President when the Senate refusing ON POLITICAL PRINCIPLE to refuse to act on anything the Democrats try to do.  It has been going on for decades.  It is time it stopped.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 05:10:22 PM
Ah it says 'leftist' in his twitter profile. He is a dem. He wrote 'fuck Mccain' and happily vote for a dem senator. 'Please vote blue'. And he is a 'leftist' mass murderer? He loves guns. May be he has journals tucked away somewhere. Manifestos? Possible. Don't hold your breath though.

Kid also have #HailSatan, #selfie4satan @SatanTweeting in his profile, are we going to discuss if he is a satanist too? :p Apparently, he is an atheist celebrating christmas in mass...for music? How about an 'are atheists actually satanists in disguise with a front?' discussion, I can recommend a thread. Rubes will come up with some thing like that any way. Let's beat them to it. :p

Anyway, yeah he is disturbed, no surprises there. But what was he 'fighting' against by killing people as a leftist mass murderer? One of the victims is his sister. Victims are white, black...etc. What is the ideologic motivation in these killings?

You know what I just wondered, does he have any other natural relationships with any other victims? Does this man know these people?   

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 05:13:53 PM
See Obama getting in on some of that sweet, sweet politicising. If it really matters to him, maybe he should have tried harder to treat the condition when he could, it's not like he didn't have time to do so, two terms in office.

What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Sal1981 on August 05, 2019, 05:15:12 PM
Say what you want about Paul Joseph Watson, but he's point on in this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FISEiLG52Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FISEiLG52Y)



In a climate that normalizes violence, you're bound to get exactly that.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Minimalist on August 05, 2019, 05:22:51 PM
What could the difference be...............


(https://encourageyourselfcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/f45599228dc61b8cf02df226c8f53fa3.png)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 05, 2019, 05:24:23 PM
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/

Wow... That's what you consider a "source"????
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 05:25:34 PM
Ah it says 'leftist' in his twitter profile. He is a dem. He wrote 'fuck Mccain' and happily vote for a dem senator. 'Please vote blue'. And he is a 'leftist' mass murderer? He loves guns. May be he has journals tucked away somewhere. Manifestos? Possible. Don't hold your breath though.

Kid also have #HailSatan, #selfie4satan @SatanTweeting in his profile, are we going to discuss if he is a satanist too? :p Apparently, he is an atheist celebrating christmas in mass...for music? How about an 'are atheists actually satanists in disguise with a front?' discussion, I can recommend a thread. Rubes will come up with some thing like that any way. Let's beat them to it. :p

Anyway, yeah he is disturbed, no surprises there. But what was he 'fighting' against by killing people as a leftist mass murderer? One of the victims is his sister. Victims are white, black...etc. What is the ideologic motivation in these killings?

You know what I just wondered, does he have any other natural relationships with any other victims? Does this man know these people?   

Well, that is something, at least.  But please do not associate atheism with Satanism.  That's just plain wrong.  Satanism (to the extent it actually exists outside the minds of messed up teenage boys) is technically just another theism.  We have enough confusion as it is...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 05, 2019, 05:27:39 PM
Say what you want about Paul Joseph Watson, but he's point on in this vid:



In a climate that normalizes violence, you're bound to get exactly that.

And the fact this didn't start with trump, and won't change or end with him gone.
You can all vote democrat all you want, this shits not going away.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 05:32:14 PM
Wow... That's what you consider a "source"????

Heavy.com is a consolidator of other news sources (legitimate of not).  It specializes in "5 fast things" and quick summaries for people who want their news fast and easy.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 05, 2019, 05:39:37 PM
Paul Joseph Watson is an altright radio host and ex-minion of Alex Jones. And you posted his comment?! This has become an iq test.

From the video: "If you are going hold Trump responsible from El Paso shooting, so you have to hold Elizabeth Warren is responsible from a Dayton shooting, because Bett voted for him." And don't have time to waste for the rest.

Trump is responsible from these shootings because he has been pushing a disgusting, openly racist policies since back the beginning of his campaign. Bercause he can't do his job. He empowered these people. He didn't consider any of the consequences of his drivels. This is not just a matter of voting for him.

Voting for a democrat does not make anyone an extremist left winger you british moron. An extremist left winger, wouldn't vote for anyone to begin with.

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 05, 2019, 05:51:16 PM

Trump is responsible from these shootings because he has been pushing a disgusting, openly racist policies since back the beginning of his campaign. Bercause he can't do his job. He empowered these people. He didn't consider any of the consequences of his drivels. This is not just a matter of voting for him.


You'd have to be living with your head in the sand to think this problem is all because of trump. But that just makes it easy doesn't it? Having that scapegoat rather then analysing the larger picture.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 05, 2019, 05:53:36 PM
You'd have to be living with your head in the sand to think this problem is all because of trump. But that just makes it easy doesn't it? Having that scapegoat rather then analysing the larger picture.
Trump is giving the loons permission.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Draconic Aiur on August 05, 2019, 05:58:50 PM
Paul Joseph Watson is an altright radio host and ex-minion of Alex Jones. And you posted his comment?! This has become an iq test.

From the video: "If you are going hold Trump responsible from El Paso shooting, so you have to hold Elizabeth Warren is responsible from a Dayton shooting, because Bett voted for him." And don't have time to waste for the rest.

Trump is responsible from these shootings because he has been pushing a disgusting, openly racist policies since back the beginning of his campaign. Bercause he can't do his job. He empowered these people. He didn't consider any of the consequences of his drivels. This is not just a matter of voting for him.

Voting for a democrat does not make anyone an extremist left winger you british moron. An extremist left winger, wouldn't vote for anyone to begin with.



Alot of it is brainwashed idiots and ignorance.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 06:05:18 PM
Trump smiled and laughed when a supporter yelled that immigrants should all be shot:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcwHZtXG4Cc
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 05, 2019, 06:07:44 PM
They forget that illegal immigrants do jobs Americans don't want, like blowing leaves and sleeping with Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 06:08:54 PM
Trump smiled and laughed when a supporter yelled that immigrants should all be shot:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcwHZtXG4Cc

Yup. I saw that. Trump is an absolute piece of shit.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:14:55 PM
Paul Joseph Watson is an altright radio host and ex-minion of Alex Jones. And you posted his comment?! This has become an iq test.

From the video: "If you are going hold Trump responsible from El Paso shooting, so you have to hold Elizabeth Warren is responsible from a Dayton shooting, because Bett voted for him." And don't have time to waste for the rest.

Trump is responsible from these shootings because he has been pushing a disgusting, openly racist policies since back the beginning of his campaign. Bercause he can't do his job. He empowered these people. He didn't consider any of the consequences of his drivels. This is not just a matter of voting for him.

Voting for a democrat does not make anyone an extremist left winger you british moron. An extremist left winger, wouldn't vote for anyone to begin with.

I like PJW.  He should be the Cultur-Fuhrer when mainland Europe is reconquered from the Euro-Marxists.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:15:57 PM
See Obama getting in on some of that sweet, sweet politicising. If it really matters to him, maybe he should have tried harder to treat the condition when he could, it's not like he didn't have time to do so, two terms in office.

He was totally helpless in the face of alpha Male Republicans.  Why we might ask, was it Michelle/Michael?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:17:06 PM
I was going to ask the same question. Which one is the far left mass murderer?

El Paso psycho sounds clear. Are we talking about Dayton perpetrators?

Dayton Ohio.  I don't think we know anything about the Texas shooter.  I am sure the Texas shooter, like the NZ shooter, is too anxious to read his Unabomber screed to us in court.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:18:31 PM
sooo, is anyone going to discuss the fact these mass shootings are clear examples of extremism on both sides of the political spectrum?

or is it another case of because one was a far right, all far right are to blame for it, but the other guy who was far leftist, that was just an individual thing and he was mentally unwell, nothing else to blame.

There would not be a far Left, except for those spawn of Satan on the far Right.  Gotta virtue signal.  The Right made us (Left) commit atrocities.  Can't get more Beta Male than that.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:19:42 PM
What's your source for "...the other guy who was far leftist..."?

Headline I provided, earlier in this string, regarding interview material from his HS friends.  Newer link provided by another.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:21:04 PM
I bought a few replica weapons decades ago (it was a random catalog, but that's why they mail them) and sharpened the edges of the 2 gladius swords on my grinding wheel.  Those are sufficiently close to real to be functional and are essentially machetes with dual cutting edges and a point.  The Epee isn't exactly Damascus steel, but the point is the point.  That is for stabbing between shields (I think). The swords you see in movies were for specialists.  Big huge weightlifter guys.  And 30 minutes and they were done!  But most swords through history worked by stabbing or slicing and they weren't really heavy. You had to wield them all day, after all!

Nothing stops a war hammer ... or an ordinary roofing hammer.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:23:17 PM
I had a rich friend who is fond of heavy medieval swords. He used to order from Soctland. This is long time ago. I tried to lift a two handed, loool. I managed. May be they are commercial ones, I have no idea. But even the smaller ones they call 'bastard swords' ? was very heavy. They look like they are made to crush, not cut anything. But then I have the physical power of 5 cats. It's freaking steel you know. It's normal that they are that heavy.

Often a claymore was used for battering, with one hand on the pommel, the other at the other end, using it to block like a gun stock.  And the knobby end could do a lot of damage too.  But the best were Swiss halberds.  Giant can openers, to be used on French/Burgundian knights circa 1477.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:24:20 PM
Trump is giving the loons permission.

G-d Emperor?  Of course.  Liberals only have Trudeau and his pink purse.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:25:47 PM
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/

Maximillian Robespierre ... like most posters here will not admit to.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:26:26 PM
I do gather from reports that the El Paso shooter posted anti-immigrant writings.  That would be a far-right thing.  The Dayton shooter "seems" to be an angry teen student and the motive is not yet known.  THat's from The New York Times an hour ago.  The most recent I could find...

Be calm, be still, wait for more information...

NYT = Pravda
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 05, 2019, 06:27:42 PM
See Obama getting in on some of that sweet, sweet politicising. If it really matters to him, maybe he should have tried harder to treat the condition when he could, it's not like he didn't have time to do so, two terms in office.

Yeah, because those Republican Representatives and Senators totally didn't oppose everything Obama did, just because it came from him. That'd be silly. I mean, can you imagine a world where the very next Republican President was petty enough to try to overturn everything Obama accomplished, simply on the basis that if Obama did it, it must have been bad? So glad I don't live in a country run by those types of people. [/sarc]

Also, I find it funny that when people criticize Trump for the cliche "thoughts and prayers" response, you come running to his defense. But when a retired President speaks on the subject, your response is to accuse him of trying to win political points. Yeah, you're not biased at all.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:28:45 PM
Moscow Mitch stopped everything Obama tried, as the Republicans have at every Democratic President since Carter.  You can't (justifiably) blame a President when the Senate refusing ON POLITICAL PRINCIPLE to refuse to act on anything the Democrats try to do.  It has been going on for decades.  It is time it stopped.

Thanks to the gods, Comrade Cavebear ... otherwise our master plan of turning FannieMae/Freddie Mac into a gulag will be discovered.

Sorry you are on the wrong side of history.  We all are ;-)

A Black or Woman President ... all line up to kiss their ring ...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:29:43 PM
What are you talking about?

Obama is a communist.  That is why I voted for him twice.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:30:23 PM
Say what you want about Paul Joseph Watson, but he's point on in this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FISEiLG52Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FISEiLG52Y)



In a climate that normalizes violence, you're bound to get exactly that.

Violence is good, if you are the White Knights of Liberalism ... oops, KKK.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Draconic Aiur on August 05, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
Obama is a communist.

I dont think you know what that word means.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:31:34 PM
What could the difference be...............


(https://encourageyourselfcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/f45599228dc61b8cf02df226c8f53fa3.png)

Its a good start.  We can't just kill foreigners all the time ;-(
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:32:48 PM
And the fact this didn't start with trump, and won't change or end with him gone.
You can all vote democrat all you want, this shits not going away.

Americans are evil.  Americans elect Americans.  Nothing changes.  Duh!  That is why we need to replace all the Americans with Chinese folks (sorry Mexico).
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:34:21 PM
Paul Joseph Watson is an altright radio host and ex-minion of Alex Jones. And you posted his comment?! This has become an iq test.

From the video: "If you are going hold Trump responsible from El Paso shooting, so you have to hold Elizabeth Warren is responsible from a Dayton shooting, because Bett voted for him." And don't have time to waste for the rest.

Trump is responsible from these shootings because he has been pushing a disgusting, openly racist policies since back the beginning of his campaign. Bercause he can't do his job. He empowered these people. He didn't consider any of the consequences of his drivels. This is not just a matter of voting for him.

Voting for a democrat does not make anyone an extremist left winger you british moron. An extremist left winger, wouldn't vote for anyone to begin with.

I like young men making a mark in the world (Calvin & Hobbes pissing in the snow comes to mind).  So I like a little PJW from time to time.  He is right that mainland Europe is a shithole.  So is urban US.  Invest in shit now, it is the fastest growing market!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:35:27 PM
Trump smiled and laughed when a supporter yelled that immigrants should all be shot:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcwHZtXG4Cc

No, just shoot Democrats ;-)  Their immigration status is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:36:18 PM
You'd have to be living with your head in the sand to think this problem is all because of trump. But that just makes it easy doesn't it? Having that scapegoat rather then analysing the larger picture.

Nope ... BDS ... Boris Derangement Syndrom.  The bad haircut people are among us ... reee.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:37:00 PM
Alot of it is brainwashed idiots and ignorance.

Are you in favor of a woke public?  Dirty minds?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:37:37 PM
They forget that illegal immigrants do jobs Americans don't want, like blowing leaves and sleeping with Donald Trump.

Yes, all the ones that Bill Clinton and Prince Andrew didn't screw.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 06:42:48 PM
I dont think you know what that word means.

I do, do you?  I was in the business of arms race during the Cold War.  I nuke commies.  And I still would.  The Fifth Column in America has bad karma coming.  They won't be allowed to listen to rock, when in the nursing home.  And will get sponge baths from Young Republicans.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 05, 2019, 07:11:09 PM
You'd have to be living with your head in the sand to think this problem is all because of trump. But that just makes it easy doesn't it? Having that scapegoat rather then analysing the larger picture.
Are you sure you are an atheist?  You argue like a theist.  I did not read where anybody on this board said it was 'all' Trump's fault.  But blaming Trump for the uptick of white supremacy and racial hatred is stating a fact.  Congress, especially the Senate with the Turtle in charge simply will not act.  I don't see anybody scapegoating here.  Recently you seem to love being a contrarian.  If somebody says, for example, trump is a liar, you jump up and say we need to see it from his side.  Oh you deny being a supporter, yet you always come up with 'what did Obama do?' which has nothing to do with anything.  You just seem to love being a shit-disturber and little else.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 07:14:38 PM
Are you sure you are an atheist?  You argue like a theist.  I did not read where anybody on this board said it was 'all' Trump's fault.  But blaming Trump for the uptick of white supremacy and racial hatred is stating a fact.  Congress, especially the Senate with the Turtle in charge simply will not act.  I don't see anybody scapegoating here.  Recently you seem to love being a contrarian.  If somebody says, for example, trump is a liar, you jump up and say we need to see it from his side.  Oh you deny being a supporter, yet you always come up with 'what did Obama do?' which has nothing to do with anything.  You just seem to love being a shit-disturber and little else.

He is a theist?  No.  He is paranoid?  No.  He is British?  Yes.

You are the one being paranoid.  Next you will claim that Munch is FBI and not even gay!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 05, 2019, 07:29:08 PM
He is a theist?  No.  He is paranoid?  No.  He is British?  Yes.

You are the one being paranoid.  Next you will claim that Munch is FBI and not even gay!

its funny being accused of being theistic by those who themselves are heavily indoctrinated by their social and political beliefs.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 07:31:39 PM
its funny being accused of being theistic by those who themselves are heavily indoctrinated by their social and political beliefs.

Dogmatized.  Like fetishists who wear leather animal masks.  Kinky.  The herd instinct is high with Liberals, they may prefer the pony scene.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 07:46:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2w_ZWHHBoA
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 08:56:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2w_ZWHHBoA

Per Australian detective (in story I shared) it was an AR-15 held by a Secret Service agent that went off accidentally, that was the JFK kill shot.  But ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5tFAb53VwA

Good weapons for removing witches ...  and liberal crispy critters ;-(
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 05, 2019, 09:01:31 PM
Good for roasting marshmallows, too! LOL
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 05, 2019, 09:05:42 PM
Often a claymore was used for battering, with one hand on the pommel, the other at the other end, using it to block like a gun stock.  And the knobby end could do a lot of damage too.  But the best were Swiss halberds.  Giant can openers, to be used on French/Burgundian knights circa 1477.

When I read claymore, I thought, "Who the hell would hold one when it's being used?"

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/US_M18a1_claymore_mine.jpg
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 05, 2019, 09:36:38 PM
its funny being accused of being theistic by those who themselves are heavily indoctrinated by their social and political beliefs.
Munch, I did not say you were a theist.  I said you argue like one.  By that, I mean you take one word or phrase and run with it and not addressing what is being talked about.  You seem to simply want to be contrary about everything.  Lately, when the word Trump comes up, you always seem to say 'but Obama', when Obama has nothing to do with anything.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 09:56:54 PM
When I read claymore, I thought, "Who the hell would hold one when it's being used?"

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/US_M18a1_claymore_mine.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fxkITT07iI

Like the man said, generally claymores were out of use by the end of the 17th century.  But here is how it was done in an earlier era ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GoQlvc_H3s

Italy 14th century ... in 4 parts ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B54w_u8tm9Q
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 10:02:44 PM
Munch, I did not say you were a theist.  I said you argue like one.  By that, I mean you take one word or phrase and run with it and not addressing what is being talked about.  You seem to simply want to be contrary about everything.  Lately, when the word Trump comes up, you always seem to say 'but Obama', when Obama has nothing to do with anything.

Brits don't have TDS, they have BDS.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 06, 2019, 05:07:26 AM
You'd have to be living with your head in the sand to think this problem is all because of trump. But that just makes it easy doesn't it?

Except I haven't said anything of the sort. Nobody has said anything of the sort. But yesterday, you were bitching about the previous president on how he couldn't handle this problem -which has started in 1890s- just in two terms, weren't you? So it is pretty much your perspective or the lack of it.

There is a rise in one type of a specific sort of crime. Even the FBI who often downplays reports on these sort of crimes -probably for public control or call it racism in the establishment- while still down playing, openly says that there is an obvious rise in white domestic terrorism, the most domestic terrorism arrests this year involve white supremacy.

Trump deliberately follows a hostile, divisive politics. Against non white communites. Nobody cares, if the man Donald Trump, as a person himself is really racist, xenophobic or not. Because his key role is being the president of the United States of America and the policies he makes inside or outside the country do NOT just affect Americans, but also AFFECT OUR LIVES in many different ways. It's not just economics...blah blah I don't care if you or Americans can't see that. That is the way it is.   

How blind or stupid -just to give you a choice- you need to be not to see that what a man says or does in top position, directly affects everything around him? That his attitude defines actions and reactions of the people he leads or in this case he can't lead?

Yes, it is that simple to manipulate masses. (Ffs, you get triggered from something as moronic as a youtube video telling why a vague group of people hate a straight fictional character.) Yes, it is that simple to create hatred or trigger people. Or also create unity. Frankly, if you build your politics on spreading hatred, start to insult ethnic and racial groups as soon as you get the mic in the election race, keep talking about how that group of people who are rapists and thieves invading the country and that you will build a wall to stop them, you have a responsibility in a man's actions who opens fire to kill people from that specific group! Plain and simple.

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 06, 2019, 05:26:14 AM
... Having that scapegoat rather then analysing the larger picture.


The race war is the ultimate paranoia, the ultimate fear; the base of collective memory of American people. Doesn't matter what generation they belong to. It only changes make up. So it is the ultimate material of politics in the US. If we could dig down the collective subconscious of America, we'd find a fear of a civil war in many different forms down there at the bottom. I am not even talking about a traditional one. 

Why do you think the identity politics have developed there in the first place after the WWII? Because it is the fucking land of the free and home of the brave, lol? It's not just the economy or the military power. They are cut out of from the history and the old world in their own way. No other state has a power over their own people or country like this. 

Every characteristics of the country, from population density to the diveristy, its age, its history, its culture that its cut out from old world, its hostility, its consumerism, its madness, its popular culture, its violence, man eating system, its competitiveness, its life style...every thing we look as problem generally is going to have a point of collapse in the USA, first. Not in fucking Europe. I am not necessarily talking about a success or a failure. I mean a collapse. If capitalism will collapse or turn into something else, it will happen in the USA. And hopefully, it will happen before they all kill each other or rest of the world. Europe is a cast system. It's the most racist structure on earth. Nothing is coming from there. 

And deliberately feeding into that fundamental anxiety, fear of this culture, provoking it, using it..is playing with fire like you don't know what. There is a kaiju lying there waiting, one that will wake other ones around the world. And unfortunately, we don't have a Godzilla. Is that large enough?


Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 06, 2019, 06:05:24 AM
Are you sure you are an atheist?  You argue like a theist.

LOL. It's because of the nature of the right ideologies and its common mentality. Doesn't matter what angle you put it, how eloquently you put it, what you add to it... it is dogmatic, limited, primitive and only about the group of people who have that mentality.

It's the same reason why any various right groups -like religious ones- constantly invent enemies, threats out to get them and victimhoods they suffer. Also why generally, the right wing ideas are against 'individuality' and see everything their own as the norm. Everything is against them and about them. Without that mentality, there is no right.

It's about putting blame and making comparisons like a 6 year old child. They are reflecting of course, becuse if they can't create victimhood it has no use.

For example, right wing white Americans and Brits think, immigrants are stealing their jobs and there is even a group of people who think they can't get rich because of immigrants in their country. LOL So that's their created victimhood. They take it from the left -over here, democrats in the US- because the other side keeps shoving the real victimhoods into their face and set the tone. So they had to adopt it. Like religions adopting and changing in the modern era. Intelligent design?

It's the 'intelligent' designs of the right. 200 years ago white people were better because that's how god created them. Now using other means they are trying to do the same thing. Famous ones, Why black people are 'stupid', but good at physical activities. Why they are prone to crime buy birth. Tons of twisted bullshit out there supposedly based on evolutionary sciences. A very old way of making politics in a new sense, but now, in modern world it is actually 'personal'. Not 'individual', it is 'personal'. AHahaha.

More common form is which camp are you in? Which one is your team?

E: And even while complaining about partisanship, what right wing minded people do is exactly the same thing. Baruch gave a good example to me in one of our convo. He said he knows that this and that group is really oppressed in his opinion, but he refuses to support them, because he thinks there is partisanship in these groups. LOOL So if you are oppressed because of something -race, gender, sexual orientation, which is into everybody's face- you can't develop a prejudice because that is oppressing someone in a group who is not oppressed because of the same things.

That's the right wing mentality.

   
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 07:53:33 AM
Drunkenshoe does what she gotta' do ;-)

Meanwhile ...

All focus is on the El Paso shooting, not the Dayton shooting because ...

"Dayton Shooter Was A Pro-Satan Leftist Who Supported Warren, Sanders, Antifa And Communism" ... doesn't work with D-party narrative.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 06, 2019, 09:03:37 AM
LOL. It's because of the nature of the right ideologies and its common mentality. Doesn't matter what angle you put it, how eloquently you put it, what you add to it... it is dogmatic, limited, primitive and only about the group of people who have that mentality.

It's the same reason why any various right groups -like religious ones- constantly invent enemies, threats out to get them and victimhoods they suffer. Also why generally, the right wing ideas are against 'individuality' and see everything their own as the norm. Everything is against them and about them. Without that mentality, there is no right.

It's about putting blame and making comparisons like a 6 year old child. They are reflecting of course, becuse if they can't create victimhood it has no use.

For example, right wing white Americans and Brits think, immigrants are stealing their jobs and there is even a group of people who think they can't get rich because of immigrants in their country. LOL So that's their created victimhood. They take it from the left -over here, democrats in the US- because the other side keeps shoving the real victimhoods into their face and set the tone. So they had to adopt it. Like religions adopting and changing in the modern era. Intelligent design?

It's the 'intelligent' designs of the right. 200 years ago white people were better because that's how god created them. Now using other means they are trying to do the same thing. Famous ones, Why black people are 'stupid', but good at physical activities. Why they are prone to crime buy birth. Tons of twisted bullshit out there supposedly based on evolutionary sciences. A very old way of making politics in a new sense, but now, in modern world it is actually 'personal'. Not 'individual', it is 'personal'. AHahaha.

More common form is which camp are you in? Which one is your team?

E: And even while complaining about partisanship, what right wing minded people do is exactly the same thing. Baruch gave a good example to me in one of our convo. He said he knows that this and that group is really oppressed in his opinion, but he refuses to support them, because he thinks there is partisanship in these groups. LOOL So if you are oppressed because of something -race, gender, sexual orientation, which is into everybody's face- you can't develop a prejudice because that is oppressing someone in a group who is not oppressed because of the same things.

That's the right wing mentality.

   
As a 5th grader in Alabama, I began seeing much of that.  The signs 'Colored' and 'White' were plastered everywhere; but some places we assumed to be labeled (such as churches and lunch counters) but the signs were invisible.  Now all those signs are gone--except, in reality many of them are still in place, but invisible.  The Alabama churches I went to were all about fear--do as the minister says or go to hell.  And I learned about bullying.  More often than not, the victim was at fault and to blame, not the bully.  So, bullying flourished in that area.  Bullies are still in charge, from the White House, down--and Trump has given them the green light.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 06, 2019, 10:14:13 AM
Drunkenshoe does what she gotta' do ;-)

Meanwhile ...

All focus is on the El Paso shooting, not the Dayton shooting because ...

"Dayton Shooter Was A Pro-Satan Leftist Who Supported Warren, Sanders, Antifa And Communism" ... doesn't work with D-party narrative.

Assuming what you're saying is true, oh boy. We finally have an example of a mass shooter who isn't a White Supremacist who thinks Trump isn't Conservative enough. Now we can pretend both sides are equally as bad.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 06, 2019, 10:21:08 AM
"Dayton Shooter Was A Pro-Satan Leftist Who Supported Warren, Sanders, Antifa And Communism"... doesn't work with D-party narrative.

You typed that with a straight face?

Are they sure he is not also a Russian sleeper agent, a warlock, an ISIL militant and a ninja at the same time? You never know. I say, he was trying to distract with Christmas mass thing.
 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 06, 2019, 10:21:22 AM
We are talking about Dayton shooter. The idea that he should be defined as 'a leftist extremist' because he voted Democrat -WHICH IS CENTRAL RIGHT- is ridiculous, because he doesn't fit into an extremist leftist profile. Not because he can't be and acted on what he thinks he is. Not to mention he killed his own sister. There is a chance he knows his victims. Does that sound ideological to you? That doesn't lighten the deed. He is a mass murderer.

But we are mainly talkling about El Paso Shooting, because in the last 20 years, domestic counter terrorism strategy has ignored the rising danger of far-right extremism. Because it doesn't fit the Republican agenda at most. Considering they deny it even exists. And the worst thing is the law enforcement has been blind sided when they realised what is going on, because since around 9 years ago they had no idea what the fuck is going on.

https://www.adl.org/resources/reports/murder-and-extremism-in-the-united-states-in-2017#the-incidents

Quote
"...Over the last decade, 71% of domestic extremist related killings in the US were linked to right-wing extremists, while Islamic extremists committed 26% of the killings, the report notes. An Islamic extremist committed the single deadliest incident in 2017: the New York City vehicle ramming attack killed eight people. Left-wing extremists and those who didn’t fall in the previous two categories carried out the other 3% of deaths. 2017 was the second year in a row in which black nationalists committed murders in the US. ..."

Sovereign Citizens, Right Wing Extremism Are The True ‘National Emergency’

It's a fucking jihad.

https://citizentruth.org/sovereign-citizens-right-wing-extremism-are-the-true-national-emergency/

https://youtu.be/A_TC1qCi0RQ


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A January 2018 study showed 71 percent of domestic extremist killings between 2008-2017 were committed by right-wing extremists in the United States.

“I have the absolute right to declare a national emergency. I haven’t done it yet. I may do it. If this doesn’t work out, probably I will do it. I would almost say definitely,” United States President Donald Trump stated on Thursday prior to boarding Marine One to be photographed at the US-Mexico border.

President Trump continues to remain fixated on receiving $5 billion for steel border fencing and is in no hurry to end the partial government shutdown that has affected over 800,000 workers in the United States. That figure does not include family and friends who are attempting to help their loved ones. Despite President Trump’s hyper-focus on the Mexican border, the United States currently has a net outflow of undocumented workers.

“The number of Mexican immigrants living in the U.S. illegally has declined by more than 1 million since 2007. In 2016, 5.4 million unauthorized immigrants from Mexico lived in the U.S., down from a peak of 6.9 million in 2007. Despite the drop, Mexicans still make up about half of the nation’s 10.7 million unauthorized immigrants (51% in 2016),” reads a Pew Research study from late last year.

Extremist Violence Presents A Real National Emergency

“These findings are a stark reminder that domestic extremism is a serious threat to our safety and security,” began Anti-Defamation League (ADL) CEO, Jonathan A. Greenblatt. “When white supremacists and other extremists are emboldened and find new audiences for their hate-filled views, violence is usually not far behind,” he would continue. The quotes accompanied a January 2018 study which showed 71 percent of domestic extremist killings between 2008-2017 were committed by right-wing extremists in the United States.


Police officers Jacob Carlson and Randi Garrett of Casper, Wyoming had a near-deadly encounter on May 6, 2018. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) reports.

Instead, he [the assailant] responded by pulling out a gun and unloading a hail of bullets. Upon seeing the gun, both officers immediately retreated and attempted to take cover. In the course of doing so, one of the officers was struck at least five times in his back. A police spokesperson would later characterize [the assailant] as a sovereign citizen. Don Fuller, who represents police officers after shootings, said that [the assailant] “fancied himself as ‘sovereign.’” Sovereign citizens often do not recognize law enforcement or government authority.

Officer Carlson was shot at least five times but would recover after receiving immediate medical attention. “The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism, though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs’ origins,” details the SPLC analysis on the Sovereign Citizens. “In the early 1980s, the Sovereign Citizens movement mostly attracted white supremacists and anti-Semites, mainly because sovereign theories originated in groups that saw Jews as working behind the scenes to manipulate financial institutions and control the government,” the breakdown continues.

“When a sovereign feels particularly desperate, angry, battle-weary and cornered, his next government contact, no matter how minor, can be his final straw. The resulting rage can be lethal. In 1995 in Ohio, a sovereign named Michael Hill pulled a gun on an officer during a traffic stop. Hill was killed,” SPLC explains a situation that was similar to the incident which left Officer Jacob Carlson with multiple gunshot wounds.

The Sovereign Citizen Threat

“The Sovereign Citizen movement was the most highly ranked threat, with 86 percent of respondents agreeing or strongly agreeing that it was a serious terrorist threat. This is a significant increase in ranking from an earlier survey implemented in 2006-2007, which showed Islamist extremists to be law enforcement’s top concern at the time. In that survey, approximately 67 percent agreed or strongly agreed that Islamist extremists were a serious terrorist threat,” showed the results of a 2014 study by National Consortium For The Study Of Terrorism And Responses To Terrorism (START).

The study surveyed “more than 364 officers representing 175 state, local and tribal (SLT) law enforcement agencies to examine perceptions of: the threat of terrorism; the nature of information-sharing; and whether agencies are prepared to deal with terrorist attacks.”

“They didn’t realize that there are people at war with this country who are not international terrorists. These people are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs. And they are more dangerous to us in law enforcement than international terrorists,” said Bob Paudert, who was the West Memphis, Arkansas Police Chief in 2010 when his son Officers Brandon Paudert and Bill Evans were murdered by a Sovereign Citizen. Judy Thomas of the Kansas City Star details their murder:

The white minivan pulled over on Interstate 40 near West Memphis, Ark., in 2010 came back registered to a church in Ohio. Inside the vehicle were a Bible and some documents quoting Scripture. Minutes later, Evans lay dying in the ditch and Paudert was sprawled on the roadway, their bodies tattered by two dozen bullets from an AK-47. The killers: members of the sovereign citizen movement, which the officers had never heard of.

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 06, 2019, 02:32:14 PM
"I think we need to focus more on memorials before we start the politics."
-- Texas Gov. Abbott on El Paso shooting, the fourth mass killing in a week

"Has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud -- I repeat the word 'fraud' -- on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime."
-- former Supreme Court Justice Warren Burger on the Second Amendment, 1991
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 06, 2019, 03:35:22 PM
Trump's chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, says you can't lay this at the feet of the president. Of course not - that's where his bone spurs are.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 03:45:23 PM
Assuming what you're saying is true, oh boy. We finally have an example of a mass shooter who isn't a White Supremacist who thinks Trump isn't Conservative enough. Now we can pretend both sides are equally as bad.

Not the point.  The point was, Lefists (not necessarily you) will ignore this violation of narrative.  You can't reinforce propaganda with broken narrative.  The proles might see thru it.

There are actual White Supremacists out there.  Just as there are actual anarchists and communists.  Nasty people all of them.  You can claim that some of those are worse than others, if you like.  So if my group is finds cantaloupe growers to be demonic ... then would I not accuse the shooters of being cantaloupe eaters?  This is why everything, even hemorrhoids, are now called racist.  There are in fact, no Wehrmacht marching down the street, or Red Army troops either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRRG43WBbig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g05cTZDhJac

Temporary allies.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 03:46:16 PM
You typed that with a straight face?

Are they sure he is not also a Russian sleeper agent, a warlock, an ISIL militant and a ninja at the same time? You never know. I say, he was trying to distract with Christmas mass thing.

I was quoting.  Hence the quotation marks.  Shh .. you are telling too much truth!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 03:53:35 PM
Trump's chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, says you can't lay this at the feet of the president. Of course not - that's where his bone spurs are.

I had a bone spur, in my left foot, when I visited Japan as a tourist for 4 weeks inn 1981.  Nearly ruined the trip.  Shame sir, mentioning such a awkward medical condition.  The bone spur was from the shoes I was wearing the whole time.  Once I stopped wearing them, on return to the US, the bone spur went away.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 04:00:54 PM
If there are a disproportionate number of Right wing inspired killings, then the Left wing needs to get to work.  Civil war may be necessary today, in several countries.

[member=27883]drunkenshoe[/member] Sorry, if you read Marxist or Democratic media in the US, that is not a way to find out what the US is like.  Anymore than just watching Fox News.

Conservatives (pro-status-quo) are always the majority in every society.  Liberals (anti-status-quo) are always a minority.  Neither are necessarily violent.  Just the fringe groups, using the mainline groups as cover (eg Sinn Féin vs IRA) are violent.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 06, 2019, 04:01:28 PM
I had a bone spur, in my left foot, when I visited Japan as a tourist for 4 weeks inn 1981.  Nearly ruined the trip.  Shame sir, mentioning such a awkward medical condition.  The bone spur was from the shoes I was wearing the whole time.  Once I stopped wearing them, on return to the US, the bone spur went away.

Oh, bless your pointed little heart! You poor dear, I hope you're all better now!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 04:02:01 PM
Oh, bless your pointed little heart! You poor dear, I hope you're all better now!

I wasn't wearing my shoe around my heart ... that would be "drunken" ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 06, 2019, 04:56:56 PM
Not the point.  The point was, Lefists (not necessarily you) will ignore this violation of narrative.  You can't reinforce propaganda with broken narrative.  The proles might see thru it.

There are actual White Supremacists out there.  Just as there are actual anarchists and communists.  Nasty people all of them.  You can claim that some of those are worse than others, if you like.  So if my group is finds cantaloupe growers to be demonic ... then would I not accuse the shooters of being cantaloupe eaters?  This is why everything, even hemorrhoids, are now called racist.  There are in fact, no Wehrmacht marching down the street, or Red Army troops either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRRG43WBbig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g05cTZDhJac

Temporary allies.

Except it doesn't contradict anything we've said, so no it doesn't go against our narrative. One mass shooter who was supposedly Leftist, who may or may not have been motivated by his politics does not change the fact that a large majority of these crimes are committed by White Supremacist Conservatives.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Shiranu on August 06, 2019, 05:01:30 PM
Another shooting at Walmart today... in Baton Rouge, two good guys with a gun got in an argument, pulled their guns on each other and ended up hitting a by-standard.

Not a mass shooting, but just another example of how fucking mental this country is.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 06, 2019, 05:07:47 PM
Baruch, don't apologise for anything. You are not able to offer anything remotely relatable to the current reality of your country. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 06, 2019, 05:12:01 PM
Another shooting at Walmart today... in Baton Rouge, two good guys with a gun got in an argument, pulled their guns on each other and ended up hitting a by-standard.

Not a mass shooting, but just another example of how fucking mental this country is.

Do we know, if they knew each other? Friend, relative, business partner, poker game, drunk, political discussion, witcher-skyrim quarrel, is it about a sexual partner? It is fucked up in any case. Just curious.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 06, 2019, 05:19:02 PM
Do we know, if they knew each other? Friend, relative, business partner, poker game, drunk, political discussion, witcher-skyrim quarrel, is it about a sexual partner? It is fucked up in any case. Just curious.
They probably both reached for the last package of "Running Nigger" targets. That'll start a shoot-out every time.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 06:28:37 PM
Baruch, don't apologise for anything. You are not able to offer anything remotely relatable to the current reality of your country.

I don't apologize.  I would be fine with as much genocide as humanity can dish out.  A Turkish Marxist knows America?  Bwahaha.  Not that I mind you being Turkish or Marxist.  The triggered Rs or Ds are delusional.  Don't rely on their on-the-ideology observations.

The D party narrative, similar to Labor party narrative in GB.  Communism Now!  And no, I don't equate the numbers or severity of violence by political provocation.  That is something violent revolutionaries do ... so you can further infiltrate their victim's communities.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 06:29:22 PM
Do we know, if they knew each other? Friend, relative, business partner, poker game, drunk, political discussion, witcher-skyrim quarrel, is it about a sexual partner? It is fucked up in any case. Just curious.

One happened after the other.  One may have been triggered off the other, even if they didn't know each other.  Copycat crime.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 06:29:52 PM
They probably both reached for the last package of "Running Nigger" targets. That'll start a shoot-out every time.

Yes, anti-Fa is racist ... reee
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 06, 2019, 06:32:24 PM
Another shooting at Walmart today... in Baton Rouge, two good guys with a gun got in an argument, pulled their guns on each other and ended up hitting a by-standard.

Not a mass shooting, but just another example of how fucking mental this country is.

America First!  Yes, please go to Canada now.  Take your hippie paraphernalia with you ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Shiranu on August 07, 2019, 12:52:01 AM
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You'd have to be living with your head in the sand to think this problem is all because of trump. But that just makes it easy doesn't it?

I don't believe it's all because of Trump, and I don't think anyone here does. However we do believe he is an active instigator in the increase in violence in the United States and statistics back that up. He also has worked with Congress to decrease regulations on gun laws and cut the FBI's white extremist budget from $21 million to $3 million despite the fact the FBI has said for at leas a decade now that white extremism is the most imminent terrorist threat to American people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/trumps-rhetoric-does-inspire-more-hate-crimes/?noredirect=on (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/22/trumps-rhetoric-does-inspire-more-hate-crimes/?noredirect=on)

Counties that hosted Trump rallies in 2016 saw a 226% increase in hate crimes versus counties that didn't. The United States as a whole has seen white supremacy hate crimes on the rise since his election.

He isn't the source of the violence, but he is intentionally stoking the flames and pouring fuel on them. That has been his brand since the primaries... when the president of the United States is making excuses for white terrorism, calling Neo-Nazis who murdered an American woman "very fine people", who use to be friendly with men like David Duke, who to this day says the Central Park Five should have been executed despite the fact they were found to be innocent and the case to be extremely racially biased, who has a history of racial discrimination charges against his businesses, who laughs when someone at his rally yells the solution to immigration is to "go down there and shoot em!", who accuses an entire race of people of being rapists and criminals, ...

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... it doesn't mean you hate it if you call it a duck. It just means it's a fucking duck.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2019, 01:11:05 AM
Quo Bono?  Who benefits from the increased background violence?  The authorities.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Shiranu on August 07, 2019, 01:25:34 AM
Quo Bono?  Who benefits from the increased background violence?  The authorities.

Don't get me wrong, I think both parties benefit from it; the Republicans (mostly) with funding from the NRA and the Democrats from increased donations from people gullible enough to think they will do shit about it. Likewise the cops are salivating over the potential expansion of funding and right to harass and survey people.

If someone is going to call all sides on their shit, call all sides on their shit. The Democrats "love" these shootings, the police love these shootings, because it benefits them in the long run... that's why they are all talk about fixing the problem but when it comes crunch time they don't really do shit. But if you are going to call one side out, you gotta call the other out as well. Trump objectively makes this situation worse (which benefits everyone but the populi).

If the Democrats had as big of problem with this as they say, they would be fucking rioting in front of State capitals, demanding action be taken, and doing everything in their power to remove people like McConnell from power who block any attempts at gun reform. But it's more profitable to act out-raged, rake in that donation money from people who think you are going to do something, and then wait for the next tragedy to rinse and repeat.

None of that exonerates Trump though, and just because I believe that doesn't mean I think that Trump should have a single second of excuses made for his role in this situation.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 07, 2019, 04:05:40 AM
I don't apologize.  I would be fine with as much genocide as humanity can dish out.  A Turkish Marxist knows America?  Bwahaha.  Not that I mind you being Turkish or Marxist.  The triggered Rs or Ds are delusional.  Don't rely on their on-the-ideology observations.

The D party narrative, similar to Labor party narrative in GB.  Communism Now!  And no, I don't equate the numbers or severity of violence by political provocation.  That is something violent revolutionaries do ... so you can further infiltrate their victim's communities.

A man trying to analyse 21st century with ancient religious postfiguration is telling people who they are and what they can know.

Whenever you don't have something to offer, you start to point nationalities and ideologies around, have you noticed? Get your head out of your ass.

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2019, 04:44:46 AM
"Watch: Protesters Shout Death Threats Outside Mitch McConnell's Home" ... Ft Sumpter repeat coming.  Democrats making a big mistake.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2019, 04:46:56 AM
Don't get me wrong, I think both parties benefit from it; the Republicans (mostly) with funding from the NRA and the Democrats from increased donations from people gullible enough to think they will do shit about it. Likewise the cops are salivating over the potential expansion of funding and right to harass and survey people.

If someone is going to call all sides on their shit, call all sides on their shit. The Democrats "love" these shootings, the police love these shootings, because it benefits them in the long run... that's why they are all talk about fixing the problem but when it comes crunch time they don't really do shit. But if you are going to call one side out, you gotta call the other out as well. Trump objectively makes this situation worse (which benefits everyone but the populi).

If the Democrats had as big of problem with this as they say, they would be fucking rioting in front of State capitals, demanding action be taken, and doing everything in their power to remove people like McConnell from power who block any attempts at gun reform. But it's more profitable to act out-raged, rake in that donation money from people who think you are going to do something, and then wait for the next tragedy to rinse and repeat.

None of that exonerates Trump though, and just because I believe that doesn't mean I think that Trump should have a single second of excuses made for his role in this situation.

Why does Israel and Palestine continue to fight?  They both benefit.  If one of them decides it is no longer in their interest, one side will compromise, but eventually will be eliminated.  Long term stability will only happen if both agree at the same time, that it has no benefit for them.  This applies to civil war situations as well.

You want me to defend Trump because I didn't vote for Hillary?  Will never happen.  The President can defend himself.  With nukes.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2019, 04:47:34 AM
A man trying to analyse 21st century with ancient religious postfiguration is telling people who they are and what they can know.

Whenever you don't have something to offer, you start to point nationalities and ideologies around, have you noticed? Get your head out of your ass.

The people of old know far more about life than triggered college students and their addled professors.

[member=27883]drunkenshoe[/member] ... take care.  Erdogan threat against non-Syrian/non-Russian military advisors in Idlib etc .. has already been escalated verbally.  The US says ... we will attack Turkish armed forces that are a threat to our own people.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 07, 2019, 06:15:05 AM
The people of old know far more about life than triggered college students and their addled professors.

[member=27883]drunkenshoe[/member] ... take care.  Erdogan threat against non-Syrian/non-Russian military advisors in Idlib etc .. has already been escalated verbally.  The US says ... we will attack Turkish armed forces that are a threat to our own people.


Well, sudents, professors OR ancient people... it's not their fault or problem you haven't even reached Ranke yet.


Ah another part of your routine. Marxist...blah blah materialism yap yap and then mention some military threat or a political figure in the region the person you are talking to, if you don't know you ask or try to guess,lol. Or are you raelly worried about me? Aww.

Sometimes you sound like a big, old passive agressive teddy bear tearing his fur and throwing around mummbling bitterly. If you imagine me like my avatar, it is fun. :)

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 07, 2019, 06:39:49 AM
Please put the date of the shooting in the subject line going forward. Soon we'll need to know which shooting in [location] we're talking about.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 07, 2019, 10:29:07 AM
Texas police at work with ingenious solutions. 'We arrested him for tresspasing, why don't we just cuff him and tie up with a rope so we could ride our horses.'  It was just bad judgement, they didn't have any 'malicious intent', the cop apologised, the tecnique is immediately banned. Would they do that to a white man? No, they wouldn't. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49253691

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/08/06/us/06xp-galveston1/06xp-galveston1-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2019, 10:54:43 AM
Texas police at work with ingenious solutions. 'We arrested him for tresspasing, why don't we just cuff him and tie up with a rope so we could ride our horses.'  It was just bad judgement, they didn't have any 'malicious intent', the cop apologised, the tecnique is immediately banned. Would they do that to a white man? No, they wouldn't. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49253691

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/08/06/us/06xp-galveston1/06xp-galveston1-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)

Former Arizona sheriff, was hard on prisoners too.  Look up Joseph Arapaio.  We get this kind of thing, from both sides of the political spectrum, from the "law and order" folks.  But for them, there are no civil rights ;-(
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2019, 10:55:55 AM

Well, sudents, professors OR ancient people... it's not their fault or problem you haven't even reached Ranke yet.


Ah another part of your routine. Marxist...blah blah materialism yap yap and then mention some military threat or a political figure in the region the person you are talking to, if you don't know you ask or try to guess,lol. Or are you raelly worried about me? Aww.

Sometimes you sound like a big, old passive agressive teddy bear tearing his fur and throwing around mummbling bitterly. If you imagine me like my avatar, it is fun. :)

My giant teddy bear approves.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 07, 2019, 07:52:09 PM
Texas police at work with ingenious solutions. 'We arrested him for tresspasing, why don't we just cuff him and tie up with a rope so we could ride our horses.'  It was just bad judgement, they didn't have any 'malicious intent', the cop apologised, the tecnique is immediately banned. Would they do that to a white man? No, they wouldn't. 


nope, but its okay, white men are slowly being scrubbed out from film, tv and other western entertainment.



Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 07, 2019, 07:57:44 PM
nope, but its okay, white men are slowly being scrubbed out from film, tv and other western entertainment.
Bullshit
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 07, 2019, 08:10:42 PM
nope, but its okay, white men are slowly being scrubbed out from film, tv and other western entertainment.


White male actors have had a good run so far. With a few exceptions they pretty much dominate the scene. Here's the list of the highest paid film actors.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_paid_film_actors

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 07, 2019, 08:29:16 PM
Don't cry for me ... Woke-intina ... (woman playing evita peron singing).  Liberals at their best are merely insufferable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEMUsC8ppU0

When I watch this, i imagine the fascists, Hillary etc.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 06:44:05 AM
Please put the date of the shooting in the subject line going forward. Soon we'll need to know which shooting in [location] we're talking about.

And the date may not be sufficient.  Date, location, and time might possibly come to be required.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 06:47:32 AM
Hasn't every president in published history not sent their thoughts and prayers to the victims of major tragedies? Pretty sure Obama did that a lot.

I sadly suspect that other Presidents meant it more...  Trump read the teleprompter (and there is nothing wrong with that to make sure you say important thoughts right).  But he went off control in between teleprompter readings.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 06:50:56 AM
Texas police at work with ingenious solutions. 'We arrested him for tresspasing, why don't we just cuff him and tie up with a rope so we could ride our horses.'  It was just bad judgement, they didn't have any 'malicious intent', the cop apologised, the tecnique is immediately banned. Would they do that to a white man? No, they wouldn't. 

If they did, that white guy would probably own the whole town in a month.  This idiotic nonsense really has to stop.  It should have stopped a century ago.  Or 2.  Or 3, this year.  1619...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 08, 2019, 07:07:57 AM
nope, but its okay, white men are slowly being scrubbed out from film, tv and other western entertainment.
They're still making westerns?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 07:29:27 AM
nope, but its okay, white men are slowly being scrubbed out from film, tv and other western entertainment.

Munch, that is perilously close to promoteing white supremism.  Perhaps look at it more as starting to include The Rest Of The World. 

Personally, I have better thoughts of the survival of humanity if we all end up a general shade of tan rather than a whiter shade of pale.  The sooner skin color (and that's all it is for perfectly good evolutionary reasons) is eliminated as a reason for division, the better off we will be.  It would be one less problem.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 07:31:20 AM
They're still making westerns?

I am a South Western American, not an E Coast or W Coast American.  But I don't ride a horse to the grocery store.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 07:49:18 AM
I am a South Western American, not an E Coast or W Coast American.  But I don't ride a horse to the grocery store.

South western US?  I thought you said a couple years ago that you worked for NASA on the East coast.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 01:34:19 PM
South western US?  I thought you said a couple years ago that you worked for NASA on the East coast.

Confabulation my dear Cavebear.  Culturally I am SW American ... aka Texas to S California.  That applies even if I lived in Maine.  But I was born in El Paso.

My work for the last 22 years was for DoD.  I got to work for 3 days, on the Hubble (played hooky from my department), years before that.  That is all the Nasa I got to do ;-(  That was during my 20s, when I was otherwise working for DoD.  32 years as a DoD contractor in aerospace engineering and in medical computer system support (my various mentions are scattered all over my 33000 posts).

Retired, now I am preparing to move near my daughter in Farmington NM.  To worship like a Native American ;-)  Very SW American.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 01:51:12 PM
nope, but its okay, white men are slowly being scrubbed out from film, tv and other western entertainment.

You are retarded. In the exact definition of the word.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 01:54:56 PM
You are retarded. In the exact definition of the word.

He did satire.  You have no sense of humor.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mermaid on August 08, 2019, 01:55:39 PM
Texas police at work with ingenious solutions. 'We arrested him for tresspasing, why don't we just cuff him and tie up with a rope so we could ride our horses.'  It was just bad judgement, they didn't have any 'malicious intent', the cop apologised, the tecnique is immediately banned. Would they do that to a white man? No, they wouldn't. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49253691

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/08/06/us/06xp-galveston1/06xp-galveston1-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp)


JFC.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 08, 2019, 02:01:28 PM
You are retarded. In the exact definition of the word.

He thinks the inclusion of any actors who are not white is the "scrubbing out" of white actors.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 02:26:21 PM
Replacement fears seem so silly after the fact.  One might wonder what modern day French and English think about the Franks and Angles and Saxons who replaced the Romans...  More to the current day, the 1900s British-Americans had some real fears about the incoming Italians, Irish and Germans.  Does that bother anyone here now?

The standard experience in the US is that original immigrants try to keep their language, the children are bi-lingual and after that, you can't tell them from the Mayflower Pilgrims...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 02:27:00 PM
He thinks the inclusion of any actors who are not white is the "scrubbing out" of white actors.

I think all moves should only have LBGT Hispanic-African actors in all roles ... so that Hollywood can die already.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
JFC.

There is a group of Turkish people who moved to USA and have made a good living they can't have here, who expresses/d themselves looking that photograph as 'very suitable, because blacks always cause problems': Learned racism. There are also people who live in over here making similar comments: Exported racism. Because their skin is white. They are also too ignorant to get that their ancestors kept slaves or don't see it the same way. It's an American thing you see, lol.   

The American group is mostly white, educated, secular Turks. They are all Trump supporters. I wish you could kick them out. Oh you have no idea...


Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 02:33:01 PM
There is a group of Turkish people who moved to USA and have made a good living they can't have here, who expresses/d themselves looking that photograph as 'very suitable, because blacks always cause problems': Learned racism. There are also people who live in over here making similar comments: Exported racism. Because their skin is white. They are also too ignorant to get that their ancestors kept slaves or don't see it the same way. It's an American thing you see, lol.   

The American group is mostly white, educated, secular Turks. They are all Trump supporters. I wish you could kick them out. Oh you have no idea...

Yes, Turks were never in the slave trade.  Nor the many civilizations of Anatolia before them.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 02:35:30 PM
I think all moves should only have LBGT Hispanic-African actors in all roles ... so that Hollywood can die already.

If you think Hollywood's going to 'die' that way, I am calling the girls to cancel the movement, because that is the mission. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
There is a group of Turkish people who moved to USA and have made a good living they can't have here, who expresses/d themselves looking that photograph as 'very suitable, because blacks always cause problems': Learned racism. There are also people who live in over here making similar comments: Exported racism. Because their skin is white. They are also too ignorant to get that their ancestors kept slaves or don't see it the same way. It's an American thing you see, lol.   

The American group is mostly white, educated, secular Turks. They are all Trump supporters. I wish you could kick them out. Oh you have no idea...

From the musical 'South Pacific...

"You've got to be taught
To hate
And fear
You've got to be taught
From year
To year
Its got to
Be drummed in your dear little ear
You've got to
Be carefully
Taught
You've got to be taught
To be
Afraid
Of people
Who's eyes are oddly made
And people who's skin is a different shade
You've got to
Be carefuly
Taught
You've got to be taught
Before it's too late
Before you are six
Or seven
Or eight
To hate all the people
Your relatives hate
You've got to
Be carefully taught
You've got to
Be carefully taught
"
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 02:46:49 PM
Yes, Turks were never in the slave trade.  Nor the many civilizations of Anatolia before them.

For the 10th time, it's Ottoman. Ottomans do not refer to themselves as Turks. Turks are commoners, plebs...

They did keep slaves and highly likely traded if not regularly. If it wasn't recorded, it doesn't exist. If it was recorded it wasn't studied or made open. It's just not possible.

But then besides 'the official slaves', tons of people were practically slaves in Ottoman Empire, who needed ships full of them from Africa? You don't need your skin to be black to be a slave. Turks -as in traditional Turks- are not black or even brown. That seems to be the fucking problem. Because most of them think they are white.

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 08, 2019, 02:56:42 PM
You are retarded. In the exact definition of the word.

*gets offended due to sjw beliefs being triggered, proceeds to use a mental disability in a derogatory way to insult the one who triggered them*

how's it feel eating yourself?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 08, 2019, 03:28:01 PM
You are retarded. In the exact definition of the word.
Nah, just someone with a mono-agenda.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 08, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
JFC.
So they should have put him on a horse?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 03:31:10 PM
*gets offended due to sjw beliefs being triggered, proceeds to use a mental disability in a derogatory way to insult the one who triggered them*

how's it feel eating yourself?

I am living in the Middle East. I am not a sjw. I don't have a room to be a sjw in this country. I could be a human rights advocate the most. 

I am not trying to belittle the disabled people, I objectively believe that you are mentally disabled, because that's the only information you provided. 

Eating myself? You are the one who responded to that piece of news with that comment.

   

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 03:34:28 PM
For the 10th time, it's Ottoman. Ottomans do not refer to themselves as Turks. Turks are commoners, plebs...

They did keep slaves and highly likely traded if not regularly. If it wasn't recorded, it doesn't exist. If it was recorded it wasn't studied or made open. It's just not possible.

But then besides 'the official slaves', tons of people were practically slaves in Ottoman Empire, who needed ships full of them from Africa? You don't need your skin to be black to be a slave. Turks -as in traditional Turks- are not black or even brown. That seems to be the fucking problem. Because most of them think they are white.

One way people show disrespect for details they don't care about much is by deliberately getting the identifications wrong.

My english peasant ancestors were land-fixed serfs.  Slaves.  Does that get me any consideration?  Hell no, LOL!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 03:42:41 PM
Nah, just someone with a mono-agenda.

Ah no. I don't think he could read a book with a vocabulary more than 35 thousand words.

 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Munch on August 08, 2019, 03:45:31 PM
Nah, just someone with a mono-agenda.

i prefer nondescript-agenda
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 03:51:26 PM
I am living in the Middle East. I am not a sjw. I don't have a room to be a sjw in this country. I could be a human rights advocate the most. 

I am not trying to belittle the disabled people, I objectively believe that you are mentally disabled, because that's the only information you provided. 

Eating myself? You are the one who responded to that piece of news with that comment.

 

I never quite know what to think of you.  You make sense half the time and then I have to do a Whhhaaaaattt? the others.  I'll bet you have really strong opinions about the Armenians...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 04:00:52 PM
I never quite know what to think of you.  You make sense half the time and then I have to do a Whhhaaaaattt? the others.  I'll bet you have really strong opinions about the Armenians...

LOL And whenever you don't know what to feel, you ask me about Armenians.

Cavebear, I don't think anything about Armenians. You keep asking me that, because the only thing you know baout Turkish people is  the Armenian Genocide.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 04:10:27 PM
LOL And whenever you don't know what to feel, you ask me about Armenians.

Cavebear, I don't think anything about Armenians. You keep asking me that, because the only thing you know baout Turkish people is  the Armenian Genocide.

My apologies.  Being a historian that's what comes to mind as a sore point to or about Turkish people.  That and invading SE Europe way before that.  And I don't have any skin in THAT one.

I'll probably do it again too.  ;(
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 04:10:55 PM
If you think Hollywood's going to 'die' that way, I am calling the girls to cancel the movement, because that is the mission.

Ever since "Reds" with Warren Beaty ... it has been clear.  "Antz" with ... ants.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 04:12:02 PM
For the 10th time, it's Ottoman. Ottomans do not refer to themselves as Turks. Turks are commoners, plebs...

They did keep slaves and highly likely traded if not regularly. If it wasn't recorded, it doesn't exist. If it was recorded it wasn't studied or made open. It's just not possible.

But then besides 'the official slaves', tons of people were practically slaves in Ottoman Empire, who needed ships full of them from Africa? You don't need your skin to be black to be a slave. Turks -as in traditional Turks- are not black or even brown. That seems to be the fucking problem. Because most of them think they are white.

Sorry.  I keep forgetting.  That name on the map, doesn't say Ottoman Empire anymore.  It says Turkey.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 04:13:31 PM
One way people show disrespect for details they don't care about much is by deliberately getting the identifications wrong.

My english peasant ancestors were land-fixed serfs.  Slaves.  Does that get me any consideration?  Hell no, LOL!

There are plenty of Turks, outside the Ottoman Empire.  I am including them too.  Are you defending Muslim jihadis now?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 04:14:02 PM
i prefer nondescript-agenda

Yes, mono is catching ;-(
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 04:14:42 PM
I never quite know what to think of you.  You make sense half the time and then I have to do a Whhhaaaaattt? the others.  I'll bet you have really strong opinions about the Armenians...

She does.  I think it is because her thoughts are more complicated than her fingers can type.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 04:15:29 PM
My apologies.  Being a historian that's what comes to mind as a sore point to or about Turkish people.  That and invading SE Europe way before that.  And I don't have any skin in THAT one.

I'll probably do it again too.  ;(

Only the Ottomans did that, with couches no less.  The Turks are innocent ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 04:34:25 PM
My apologies.  Being a historian that's what comes to mind as a sore point to or about Turkish people.  That and invading SE Europe way before that.  And I don't have any skin in THAT one.

I'll probably do it again too.  ;(

It's OK. But first of all it is not Armenians, it is Armeanian Diaspora. Which is VERY different than Armenian people who have a lot to worry about, genocide is probbaly pretty down on the list.

If you are a historian you should know that Republic of Turkey didn't exist during the time of Armenian Genocide. Modern Turkish identity only exists in Hollywood movies in that period and the Ottoman Empire is often refered anochronistically as Turkey because Western audience don't recognise the name. Like in Amadeus for example. 

If you are curious. Exactly like almost all other Western countries, Turkey refuses to accept genocide, because they cannot afford to pay land or money. On the other hand Armenian Diaspora refuses to sue Turkey in court. Because it's a political game and they want to buy some thing more. And the politicians in other countries -France, America..etc- exploit their desires. May be you remember, once upon a time it meant some thing to 'recognise a genoicde'. Now it doesn't. For example a country passes a recognition and then call the prresident here and inform him that it offically means nothing concerning trade or politics.

The centenary of the genocide was the year everyone expected Obama to call it a 'genocide', not a massacre, but it didn't happen. I don't know why. But Obama is the first American president who apologised for the Mesoamerican Genocide and that was after Erdogan apologised for the Armenian 'massacre'.

You tell me. It's politics.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 04:37:28 PM
It's OK. But first of all it is not Armenians, it is Armeanian Diaspora. Which is VERY different than Armenian people who have a lot to worry about, genocide is probbaly pretty down on the list.

If you are a historian you should know that Republic of Turkey didn't exist during the time of Armenian Genocide. Modern Turkish identity only exists in Hollywood movies in that period and the Ottoman Empire is often refered anochronistically as Turkey because Western audience don't recognise the name. Like in Amadeus for example. 

If you are curious. Exactly like almost all other Western countries, Turkey refuses to accept genocide, because they cannot afford to pay land or money. On the other hand Armenian Diaspora refuses to sue Turkey in court. Because it's a political game and they want to buy some thing more. And the politicians in other countries -France, America..etc- exploit their desires. May be you remember, once upon a time it meant some thing to 'recognise a genoicde'. Now it doesn't. For example a country passes a recognition and then call the prresident here and inform him that it offically means nothing concerning trade or politics.

The centenary of the genocide was the year everyone expected Obama to call it a 'genocide', not a massacre, but it didn't happen. I don't know why. But Obama is the first American president who apologised for the Mesoamerican Genocide and that was after Erdogan apologised for the Armenian 'massacre'.

You tell me. It's politics.

Baited hook.  Cast bait, set hook, landed the fish...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 04:53:20 PM
Baited hook.  Cast bait, set hook, landed the fish...

I didn't get the joke.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 05:43:07 PM
I didn't get the joke.

You went off on "Armenian", as I expected...  ;)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 08, 2019, 05:48:20 PM
You have the right to keep and bear Armenians.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Sal1981 on August 08, 2019, 06:08:38 PM
Not the point.  The point was, Lefists (not necessarily you) will ignore this violation of narrative.  You can't reinforce propaganda with broken narrative.  The proles might see thru it.

There are actual White Supremacists out there.  Just as there are actual anarchists and communists.  Nasty people all of them.  You can claim that some of those are worse than others, if you like.  So if my group is finds cantaloupe growers to be demonic ... then would I not accuse the shooters of being cantaloupe eaters?  This is why everything, even hemorrhoids, are now called racist.  There are in fact, no Wehrmacht marching down the street, or Red Army troops either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRRG43WBbig (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRRG43WBbig)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g05cTZDhJac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g05cTZDhJac)

Temporary allies.
If you want to make it into a dick measuring contest, then Communists win hands down in people killed. But in the west, fascists are (currently) on the rise. Despite what people would like to compare the two (like in the political horseshoe theory), they're not the same. Communists would you believe that that everyone is equal and the workers should own the means of production, etc.; while fascists drone on about a nation made for its chosen people (ethnonationalism) and that the state should get the whole rule of law over economic, political and social regimentation, etc.

The only thing in common is an overlapping authoritarian ideology at its foundation, pretty much everything else is different.

Which is more sinister? IMO, fascism.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 08, 2019, 06:19:17 PM
It's not a binary choice: fascism or communism. The third choice is democracy with constitutional rights...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 06:29:56 PM
You went off on "Armenian", as I expected...  ;)

No, I didn't. I tried to give the basics so you wouldn't ask me the same thing for the 4th time. What I think or feel about all this is not some thing I am going to share with a perfect stranger online in 15 minutes,lol.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 08, 2019, 07:03:25 PM
i prefer nondescript-agenda
Yeah, but mono is the most accurate.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 07:13:54 PM
(https://68.media.tumblr.com/3abe2e88c8c807fc890cd08593950300/tumblr_okgfdxpaZZ1rfd7lko1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 08, 2019, 07:37:22 PM
People all over the world are being warned not to travel to America due to the danger of being shot.

Great for tourism!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on August 08, 2019, 08:15:11 PM
Naah, I typed 'don't travel to America' in google we trust, the result came up was 'Why don't Americans travel over seas...' (Seriously)

I found just one site: "Tourists Headed To The US Are Being Warned To Watch Out For Random Shootings"

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/hayesbrown/foreign-tourists-warned-us-gun-violence

So, it is OK. But all Middle Easterns arecoming that way. :)



Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 09:15:15 PM
People all over the world are being warned not to travel to America due to the danger of being shot.

Great for tourism!

Tourism saves our military from having to go to their shit-ass countries to shoot them there.  Just going to have to send our military over there.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 09:15:51 PM
It's not a binary choice: fascism or communism. The third choice is democracy with constitutional rights...

We won't choose that.  Never have.  Ask our many victims.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 09:18:32 PM
It's OK. But first of all it is not Armenians, it is Armeanian Diaspora. Which is VERY different than Armenian people who have a lot to worry about, genocide is probbaly pretty down on the list.

If you are a historian you should know that Republic of Turkey didn't exist during the time of Armenian Genocide. Modern Turkish identity only exists in Hollywood movies in that period and the Ottoman Empire is often refered anochronistically as Turkey because Western audience don't recognise the name. Like in Amadeus for example. 

If you are curious. Exactly like almost all other Western countries, Turkey refuses to accept genocide, because they cannot afford to pay land or money. On the other hand Armenian Diaspora refuses to sue Turkey in court. Because it's a political game and they want to buy some thing more. And the politicians in other countries -France, America..etc- exploit their desires. May be you remember, once upon a time it meant some thing to 'recognise a genoicde'. Now it doesn't. For example a country passes a recognition and then call the prresident here and inform him that it offically means nothing concerning trade or politics.

The centenary of the genocide was the year everyone expected Obama to call it a 'genocide', not a massacre, but it didn't happen. I don't know why. But Obama is the first American president who apologised for the Mesoamerican Genocide and that was after Erdogan apologised for the Armenian 'massacre'.

You tell me. It's politics.

Both were massacred, at different times.  Arameans by Kurdish tribesmen a bit earlier.  The Armenians by Turkish forces in WW I.

Per Wiki, lets just call them Assyrians ... to avoid the confusion with Armenians OK?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

As a result there are ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian–Chaldean–Syriac_diaspora

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_diaspora

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Sylar on August 09, 2019, 08:28:17 PM
We have an ignorance epidemic in this country, spearheaded by the Republican Party, who are nothing but paid employees of the NRA and gun manufacturers. We use our military around the world to curb arm smuggling, yet our own government and legislators are engaged in arms dealing domestically. An irony with tragic consequences.

The El Paso shooter was fighting against the "Hispanic invasion of Texas"... Texas was founded by the Spanish, and named so by them. Texas is properly pronounced as Tejas. So many lives lost because of one dumb motherfucker. It's infuriating. Too many dumb motherfuckers I should say.

The Dayton shooting should put an end to the "good guy with a gun" argument (but of course it won't, who are we kidding). The shooter was shot by patrol 30 seconds after firing the first round. In 30 seconds, he murdered 9 people. That's 1 kill every 3 seconds. Even If there WAS anyone there with a concealed weapon, they have only 3 seconds to draw, aim, shoot, and kill. In an environment full of panic and screamingly terrified people, and loud gun noise. And logic says that a shooter who is locked, loaded, and ready to shoot with intent to kill has the tactical advantage over an unsuspecting family with one member carrying a concealed weapon. We're supposed to agree to endangering our lives because Hillbilly Bob wants to play fucking Rambo?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 09, 2019, 09:31:24 PM
Democrats aren't woke.  They are the left hand version of Republicans (right hand majority).
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 09, 2019, 10:47:38 PM
Democrats aren't woke.  They are the left hand version of Republicans (right hand majority).

Nonsense. The GOP has lost its marbles -- all of them.  I'm no fan of the Dems but until the GOP gets over its primary focus on bigotry I'm sick of the bullshit bothsiderism.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 09, 2019, 11:17:09 PM
Nonsense. The GOP has lost its marbles -- all of them.  I'm no fan of the Dems but until the GOP gets over its primary focus on bigotry I'm sick of the bullshit bothsiderism.

LBJ was 5th column for George Wallace.  Welfare and Vietnam were a double whammy of hate for all Black males.  So maybe ... don't talk party, just name the perps, their party label is BS.

So if you want to go love everyone, feel free, but use a condom.

I posted a Nazi film and a Stalin film.  As sarcasm.  We have nothing like that today in the US.

My mother, as a child, her father and father's father were KKK.  I have heard the stories.  That was real, today we have Betas with hangnails.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 10, 2019, 12:29:38 AM
LBJ was 5th column for George Wallace.

Bullshit. LBJ fought tooth and nail to get the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed and he knew it would lose Dems the South for at least a generation. Your continued bothsideism is tripe.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 04:44:03 AM
Bullshit. LBJ fought tooth and nail to get the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed and he knew it would lose Dems the South for at least a generation. Your continued bothsideism is tripe.

Toothless.  And now watered down.  He passed it because he hated Black men.  Most men sent to, and who died, in Vietnam, were Black men.  The people most displaced by War on Drugs and War on Poverty were ... Black men.  He was a bloodthirsty bastard.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 10, 2019, 06:27:36 AM
Your relentless contrarism is boring.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 07:09:50 AM
Your relentless contrarism is boring.

I take my clue from George Carlin.  Except I don't find this to be a joke.  Maybe it is because "shining city on a hill" ... is BS.

People could try to be something other than "nattering nabobs of negativity".
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 10, 2019, 07:57:12 AM
We have an ignorance epidemic in this country,


You don't need to go countrywide. Just on this forum, we have one poster who posts on average 22 posts a day, spewing his indignation at every post he can muster to answer in whatever time he has on hand. And we have to put up because of freedom of expression. Yet, the same guy would throw away democracy without blinking an eye, the very thing that allows him to do what he does. He's a bundle of contradiction, irrelevance and yes, ignorance.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: PopeyesPappy on August 10, 2019, 08:21:46 AM
Toothless.  And now watered down.  He passed it because he hated Black men.  Most men sent to, and who died, in Vietnam, were Black men.  The people most displaced by War on Drugs and War on Poverty were ... Black men.  He was a bloodthirsty bastard.

You are wrong, Baruch. Among the enlisted ranks in Vietnam, nearly 6 young white Americans were killed for every young black Amerian. During this period blacks made up about 11% of the US population. They accounted for a little over 14% of the enlisted deaths. If you add officers that number drops to about 12.5%. Blacks were slightly over-represented in Vietnam, but more whites served and died during that war.

https://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwc10.htm

Edited to remove the reference to rates in the last sentence. Blacks served and died at a higher rate than whites in Vietnam, but there were still a lot more whites than blacks.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 10, 2019, 10:39:25 AM
My unit was 25 men, replaced as they died. Four were blacks, two hispanic, one Irish, the rest white.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 10, 2019, 10:42:22 AM
My unit was 25 men, replaced as they died. Four were blacks, two hispanic, one Irish, the rest white.

Sorry about your losses.

On a different note: Are you saying that Irish is not white... blasphemy...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 11:23:36 AM
You are wrong, Baruch. Among the enlisted ranks in Vietnam, nearly 6 young white Americans were killed for every young black Amerian. During this period blacks made up about 11% of the US population. They accounted for a little over 14% of the enlisted deaths. If you add officers that number drops to about 12.5%. Blacks were slightly over-represented in Vietnam, but more whites served and died during that war.

https://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwc10.htm

Edited to remove the reference to rates in the last sentence. Blacks served and died at a higher rate than whites in Vietnam, but there were still a lot more whites than blacks.

OK.  Wasn't claiming it was 100% Black men.  Are you claiming that LBJ was a good guy?  That his War on Drugs and War on Poverty were any better than his War on Gooks?  Black men didn't get draft deferments.  Whites did.  I would have drafted all the college boys, first.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 10, 2019, 11:25:31 AM
Sorry about your losses.

On a different note: Are you saying that Irish is not white... blasphemy...

There was a time the Irish, as well as Italians, were discriminated against in America. Hispanics are technically white too, but doesn't stop us from dehumanizing them today, does it?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 11:31:02 AM

You don't need to go countrywide. Just on this forum, we have one poster who posts on average 22 posts a day, spewing his indignation at every post he can muster to answer in whatever time he has on hand. And we have to put up because of freedom of expression. Yet, the same guy would throw away democracy without blinking an eye, the very thing that allows him to do what he does. He's a bundle of contradiction, irrelevance and yes, ignorance.

Guess you passed arithmetic ;-)  Used to be about 17 per day, then things have gotten more interesting, circa 2016.

Yes, I would throw away fake democracy and fake citizens in a fake republic ... rhetorically.  It is a catharsis, not a physical thing.  Same as forgetting Santa Claus.

Nobody is honest or clear headed in our species.  Americans are not wonderful.  Not better than Brazilian favela dwellers.  Does that mean I hate Americans?

Far from it.  I am simply freeing myself from the "White Mans Burden" ... liberal or conservative version.

I am not the status quo authoritarian here.  I continue to grow in freethinking, rejecting everything I have ever been taught, everything I have ever read ... unless it can pass the smell test.  And intelligent posts (that I don't agree with) have been instrumental in this.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 11:33:01 AM
There was a time the Irish, as well as Italians, were discriminated against in America. Hispanics are technically white too, but doesn't stop us from dehumanizing them today, does it?

Correct.  People here only remember the liberal MJ haze of their youth.  There was a time when a Protestant would cross to the other side of the street to avoid going by a Catholic church.  Germans, Italians, Poles, Jews etc were all discriminated against.  But to my POV, old vendettas never die.  In the US or Europe.  They are merely sleeping.

Both Irish and Jews were considered non-White.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 10, 2019, 11:58:19 AM
  I would have drafted all the college boys, first.
I would have drafted all the sons of all the congressmen/women and all govt. officials, first.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 10, 2019, 12:06:07 PM
Sorry about your losses.

On a different note: Are you saying that Irish is not white... blasphemy...
I was the Oirish in the mob.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 12:07:17 PM
I would have drafted all the sons of all the congressmen/women and all govt. officials, first.

Admittedly, being young at that time, i have only come to the position of rejecting much of 1960s America, decades later.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 10, 2019, 12:30:35 PM
You are wrong, Baruch. Among the enlisted ranks ...

Thank you, Popeye, beat me to it. Immediately after that error of fact, Baruch you conflate the war on poverty with the war on drugs. The war on poverty was LBJ, but the war on drugs was Nixon. Nixon's chief of staff admitted late in life it was motivated in part by racism. Get your facts straight.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 10, 2019, 12:32:59 PM

Yes, I would throw away fake democracy and fake citizens in a fake republic ...


There is no such thing as a perfect democracy. It's as good as its citizenry... and why education is of prime concern. But you've taken on the job to undermine it at every occasion. So your rebellious act is disingenuous to say the least.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 01:16:17 PM
Thank you, Popeye, beat me to it. Immediately after that error of fact, Baruch you conflate the war on poverty with the war on drugs. The war on poverty was LBJ, but the war on drugs was Nixon. Nixon's chief of staff admitted late in life it was motivated in part by racism. Get your facts straight.

All Americans All Racist All The Time ... support AOC now, or all go to Hell.

So you are saying that MJ was legal under LBJ?  As I recall, wasn't Reefer Madness from the 1930s?

Actual war on drugs goes back to 1890s .. they actually believed that Black men (there we go again) were drugging White women to sleep with them, creating miscegenation.  Nixon didn't do shit.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 01:17:44 PM

There is no such thing as a perfect democracy. It's as good as its citizenry... and why education is of prime concern. But you've taken on the job to undermine it at every occasion. So your rebellious act is disingenuous to say the least.

There is no perfect, period.  That is a distraction argument ... look over there!

Zoo animals shouldn't vote unless they are NYC penguins.  Humans can't be educated.  They are dumb animals.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 10, 2019, 01:19:42 PM
Humans can't be educated.  They are dumb animals.

I would say that applies exactly to you.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 01:20:49 PM
I would say that applies exactly to you.

Thanks, Dr A D Hominem.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 10, 2019, 03:12:19 PM
I would say that applies exactly to you.
Zing!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 03:31:16 PM
Zing!

Bats it away without effort.  Most people here are feeble old men.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: aileron on August 10, 2019, 04:51:47 PM
All Americans All Racist All The Time ... support AOC now, or all go to Hell.

So you are saying that MJ was legal under LBJ?  As I recall, wasn't Reefer Madness from the 1930s?

Actual war on drugs goes back to 1890s .. they actually believed that Black men (there we go again) were drugging White women to sleep with them, creating miscegenation.  Nixon didn't do shit.

I've been away from the forums a while. It's taking me a while to discover who's beyond the reach of reason. My apologies.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: PopeyesPappy on August 10, 2019, 05:55:09 PM
OK.  Wasn't claiming it was 100% Black men.  Are you claiming that LBJ was a good guy?  That his War on Drugs and War on Poverty were any better than his War on Gooks?  Black men didn't get draft deferments.  Whites did.  I would have drafted all the college boys, first.

I was disputing your claim that, "Most men sent to, and who died, in Vietnam, were Black men." It is just flat wrong. Not even close. The slightly higher rate that blacks served and died in Vietnam can be explained by white draft dodgers and/or higher volunteer rates for blacks. It didn't require any conscious effort by politicians to kill off the blacks.

As far as Johnson goes American involvement in Vietnam began under Truman when we were financing the French effort there. Our involvement escalated under Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon before the decision was made to abandon the effort.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 10, 2019, 07:37:26 PM
I've been away from the forums a while. It's taking me a while to discover who's beyond the reach of reason. My apologies.
You have to have a English/Baruchistani dictionary handy.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 09:27:04 PM
I've been away from the forums a while. It's taking me a while to discover who's beyond the reach of reason. My apologies.

I have a "reason" to read your posts.  Am I being "unreasonable"?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 09:28:00 PM
I was disputing your claim that, "Most men sent to, and who died, in Vietnam, were Black men." It is just flat wrong. Not even close. The slightly higher rate that blacks served and died in Vietnam can be explained by white draft dodgers and/or higher volunteer rates for blacks. It didn't require any conscious effort by politicians to kill off the blacks.

As far as Johnson goes American involvement in Vietnam began under Truman when we were financing the French effort there. Our involvement escalated under Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon before the decision was made to abandon the effort.

True ... George Washington was responsible, LBJ was just goin' with the flow ...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 11, 2019, 04:24:39 PM
Thanks, Dr A D Hominem.

Normally I would reply, welcome... on second thought, never mind imbecile...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 06:39:17 PM
Normally I would reply, welcome... on second thought, never mind imbecile...

Without insults, this forum would be dull.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 03:51:37 AM
You have the right to keep and bear Armenians.

Good one!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 03:57:40 AM

There is no such thing as a perfect democracy. It's as good as its citizenry... and why education is of prime concern. But you've taken on the job to undermine it at every occasion. So your rebellious act is disingenuous to say the least.

Baruch variously admires British Royalty at their strongest and Nazis in their time.  And like Trump, any dictator.  I suspect that means he wants external control (lacking it for himself), but I won't go beyond that.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 05:28:46 AM
Baruch variously admires British Royalty at their strongest and Nazis in their time.  And like Trump, any dictator.  I suspect that means he wants external control (lacking it for himself), but I won't go beyond that.
The fact that he considers Trump as an idol who can do no wrong speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 05:33:37 AM
The fact that he considers Trump as an idol who can do no wrong speaks for itself.

But we WILL speak of it, LOL!  So long as he clutters our forum with his nonsense, he is fair game. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:37:46 AM
Baruch variously admires British Royalty at their strongest and Nazis in their time.  And like Trump, any dictator.  I suspect that means he wants external control (lacking it for himself), but I won't go beyond that.

Alpha males vs queer Yogi bears.  Admire it, don't like it.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:38:23 AM
The fact that he considers Trump as an idol who can do no wrong speaks for itself.

Projection.  Didn't vote for Mr Trump.  But I don't have TDS.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:39:02 AM
But we WILL speak of it, LOL!  So long as he clutters our forum with his nonsense, he is fair game.

Correct.  And bears make bigger targets.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 09:37:59 AM
But I don't have TDS.

Proof??
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 09:45:39 AM
Proof??

Like an atheist argument ... you made the charge, you get to prove.  And ... TDS refers to people who are anti-Trump, not pro-Trump ... but I get your intent.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Like an atheist argument ... you made the charge, you get to prove.  And ... TDS refers to people who are anti-Trump, not pro-Trump ... but I get you intent.

No need to explain TDS, but you made the claim "But I don't have TDS". The burden of proof is on YOU. So far, all evidence shows that you have TDS.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 10:27:45 AM
No need to explain TDS, but you made the claim "But I don't have TDS". The burden of proof is on YOU. So far, all evidence shows that you have TDS.

You are a nut job.  Burden of proof if on you too.  Pot call kettle black.

So ... I don't have TDS.  TDS=Trump Derangement Syndrome.  Somebody who voted for Hillary and who can't exist in the same universe where Trump won the election.  You are thinking of Trump Bot.  A Trump Bot would be someone who likes every Tweet Trump makes.  I am not a Trump Bot either.  I understand why he is using Twitter rather than Fireside Chats over radio.  I am little too old to not deplore the 21st century Internet politics.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 12, 2019, 10:33:16 AM


So ... I don't have TDS.  TDS=Trump Derangement Syndrome.
 


Well you surely act like one who has it.



Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 12, 2019, 01:21:34 PM
Well you surely act like one who has it.
Actually he acts like a poorly built Turing box.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 12, 2019, 02:13:15 PM
Without insults, this forum would be dull.
There's a whole thread for that! LOL
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 12, 2019, 02:17:27 PM
Actually he acts like a poorly built Turing box.
He has been accused of being a chat-bot, but he denies it - but then wouldn't a chat-bot deny that it is a chat-bot?


-P
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 12, 2019, 02:25:57 PM
He has been accused of being a chat-bot, but he denies it - but then wouldn't a chat-bot deny that it is a chat-bot?


-P
An actual chat-bot wouldn't be so ham-handed.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 12, 2019, 02:28:46 PM
Yeah, if it's too obvious that it's a chat-bot, then it's probably not a chat-bot...


:-P
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:45:27 PM
 


Well you surely act like one who has it.

Look in mirror Joe.  But not at portrait (Dorian Grey).
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:46:17 PM
Actually he acts like a poorly built Turing box.

Thanks.  Better than the abacus you are built on ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:46:48 PM
He has been accused of being a chat-bot, but he denies it - but then wouldn't a chat-bot deny that it is a chat-bot?


-P

I am not the teen-age girl Nazi named Tay.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:47:25 PM
An actual chat-bot wouldn't be so ham-handed.

Not kosher.  Brick handed.  Here is one to your head ...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 12, 2019, 06:56:25 PM
I am not the teen-age girl Nazi named Tay.

So you say...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
So you say...

But I do have a cyber-lesbian relationship with Seri.  But not that skank, Cortana.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 09:58:12 PM
Actually he acts like a poorly built Turing box.

Wow,  Nailed It!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 11:27:51 PM
Wow,  Nailed It!

There you go again - Ronald Reagan

You must be the hammer head, who thinks everything else is a nail ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 12:50:27 AM
There you go again - Ronald Reagan

You must be the hammer head, who thinks everything else is a nail ;-)

I dare you to walk barefoot along my wood hallway.  Everything IS a nail sometimes.

Personally, I use square-drive screws whenever possible.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 01:58:13 AM
I dare you to walk barefoot along my wood hallway.  Everything IS a nail sometimes.

Personally, I use square-drive screws whenever possible.

Well, supposedly with wooden floors, over time, the boards work themselves out, thus exposing some joinery.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 03:31:39 AM
Well, supposedly with wooden floors, over time, the boards work themselves out, thus exposing some joinery.

The boards at the edges of the walls don't get hammerred in the same way as ones in the middle boards do.  So a couple keep pushing up.  One reason I don't walk around barefoot.  And I've even used glue to try to hold them down.  THIS time, I'm using a dab of construction adhesive. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 05:38:47 AM
Actually he acts like a poorly built Turing box.
Turing must be rolling in his grave...oh wait, not.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 06:11:30 AM
Turing must be rolling in his grave...oh wait, not.

Haha ... correct, no afterlife.  I won't miss you, Joe.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 06:12:22 AM
The boards at the edges of the walls don't get hammerred in the same way as ones in the middle boards do.  So a couple keep pushing up.  One reason I don't walk around barefoot.  And I've even used glue to try to hold them down.  THIS time, I'm using a dab of construction adhesive.

That is an advantage in the hall of the Shogun in Kyoto.  He wanted the boards to squeak, to discourage ninjas.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 06:41:55 AM
I won't miss you, Joe.

I didn't even know I was in the running. I should thanking for the compliment, but I won't...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 10:29:55 AM
I didn't even know I was in the running. I should thanking for the compliment, but I won't...

You never understand, because you don't listen/read first.  Slow ... down.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 03:15:39 PM
You never understand, because you don't listen/read first.  Slow ... down.

Sarcasm is not your strong suite...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 12:13:01 AM
Sarcasm is not your strong suite...

Agreed.  But we have to go to war with the comics we have - Rumsfeld.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Blackleaf on August 14, 2019, 02:08:07 AM
You know a thread is dead when 50% of the replies from the last several pages are from Baruch. lol
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 02:28:39 AM
You know a thread is dead when 50% of the replies from the last several pages are from Baruch. lol

Necro.  Cavebear is Jesus, he does resurrections.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 04:06:54 AM
You know a thread is dead when 50% of the replies from the last several pages are from Baruch. lol

50% rapidly going on to 95%...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 08:34:57 AM
50% rapidly going on to 95%...

I am king of the stats.  Cavebear is #2.  He at least tries.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 09:04:37 AM
I am king of the stats.


That you take that as a badge of honor is indicative of your twisted mind.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 14, 2019, 09:05:53 AM

That you take that as a badge of honor is indicative of your twisted mind.

There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and whatever Baruch thinkings he's doing.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 01:26:12 PM
There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and whatever Baruch thinkings he's doing.

Web page stats.  Not Baysian stuff like Hakurei's stuff.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 07:23:34 AM
You know a thread is dead when 50% of the replies from the last several pages are from Baruch. lol

Wouldn't that be almost all of them?

I look for non-Baruch posts.  They are sometimes hard to find.  But I do look for them first.  Like now.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2019, 09:20:18 AM
Wouldn't that be almost all of them?

I look for non-Baruch posts.  They are sometimes hard to find.  But I do look for them first.  Like now.
People will try to engage trolls, won't they.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 09:34:50 AM
People will try to engage trolls, won't they.

I try not to.  I do look for other posts first.  But when the only discussion is with him or no one and I want to express myself, I'll take what I can get.  Sometimes he is "a useful foil"...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 15, 2019, 09:40:15 AM
I try not to.  I do look for other posts first.  But when the only discussion is with him or no one and I want to express myself, I'll take what I can get.  Sometimes he is "a useful foil"...
Sometimes called a chew toy.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 10:07:59 AM
Sometimes called a chew toy.

Nice!  I'm a cat-person, and they bat stuff around more than they chew, but I understand.  Maybe my occasional indirectness reflects that.  ;)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 15, 2019, 10:48:47 AM
Nice!  I'm a cat-person, and they bat stuff around more than they chew, but I understand.  Maybe my occasional indirectness reflects that.  ;)
Cat, dog-----same idea.  They are good for a little exercise, but they do become boring fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 10:59:44 AM
Cat, dog-----same idea.  They are good for a little exercise, but they do become boring fairly quickly.

"boring fairly quickly"?  Oh I am sorry to discover what you are missing out on.  But that is up to you, not me.

Personally, I find the idea of relatively wild animals (cats, not dogs) able to share my home relatively cleanly and rather "friendily" a source of constant amazement. 


Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2019, 11:14:18 AM
I try not to.  I do look for other posts first.  But when the only discussion is with him or no one and I want to express myself, I'll take what I can get.  Sometimes he is "a useful foil"...
http://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/

https://atheistforums.org/index.php

http://sguforums.com/index.php

http://www.sciforums.com/

http://atheistnexus.org/

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums

https://talkfreethought.org/
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 11:22:30 AM
http://atheistdiscussion.org/forums/

https://atheistforums.org/index.php

http://sguforums.com/index.php

http://www.sciforums.com/

http://atheistnexus.org/

http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums

https://talkfreethought.org/

Thanks but one forum at a time is sufficient.    I did however print your list to look at.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2019, 12:14:03 PM
Thanks but one forum at a time is sufficient.    I did however print your list to look at.
I cycle through ~25 forums on a rotating basis. Some keep me engaged, other are just worth reading. You don't have to participate, of course, but there are many that would keep you amused.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 12:16:29 PM
I cycle through ~25 forums on a rotating basis. Some keep me engaged, other are just worth reading. You don't have to participate, of course, but there are many that would keep you amused.

I couldn't keep up with all the people, and that matters to me.  I want at least a slight sense of community.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
Sometimes he is "a useful foil"...

That's probably his head-wear of choice...


:-)

Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 15, 2019, 01:51:38 PM
That's probably his head-wear of choice...


:-)


ZING!!!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 02:03:01 PM
That's probably his head-wear of choice...


:-)

Oh man, that was really GOOD!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 02:58:35 PM
That's probably his head-wear of choice...


:-)



The only explanation is that Baruch is secretly a Mormon...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 03:01:46 PM
Oh man, that was really GOOD!


Bazinga! LOL
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 03:02:51 PM
The only explanation is that Baruch is secretly a Mormon...

Well, as long as he's not secretly a Scientologist, he can't be all bad.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 03:03:26 PM
The only explanation is that Baruch is secretly a Mormon...

Whoa, I have to consider a Jewish Morman Conspiracy Theorist?  AND we can't send signals to his brain because of That Darned Hat?

(Note to Team.  Buy all the aluminium foil and dump it in the northern Atlantic)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 03:08:19 PM
Well, as long as he's not secretly a Scientologist, he can't be all bad.

Not possible. As a Scientologist, he can't have a personal spiritual experience. Ask Tom Cruise.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 03:13:01 PM
Not possible. As a Scientologist, he can't have a personal spiritual experience. Ask Tom Cruise.

Well, doesn't that mean a Scientology schism is occuring?  "Oh My, Whatever Shall We Do?"
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 12:51:17 AM
Not possible. As a Scientologist, he can't have a personal spiritual experience. Ask Tom Cruise.

You are an expert at their nonsense?  Figures ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 12:53:16 AM
Wouldn't that be almost all of them?

I look for non-Baruch posts.  They are sometimes hard to find.  But I do look for them first.  Like now.

#1 Baruch
#2 Cavebear
#3 Joe
#4 Unbeliever

More or less how the recent traffic goes.  If you don't see more entries by X or Y, encourage them to post.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 12:55:10 AM
I try not to.  I do look for other posts first.  But when the only discussion is with him or no one and I want to express myself, I'll take what I can get.  Sometimes he is "a useful foil"...

My whole point in being here.  It is a fact, that some of you, some of the time, are useful foils.  Aluminum foil, tin foil, gold foil ...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 12:56:41 AM
I cycle through ~25 forums on a rotating basis. Some keep me engaged, other are just worth reading. You don't have to participate, of course, but there are many that would keep you amused.

I agree with Cavebear ... with all the news, I have limited time for forums.  And I prefer to deal with people I am already familiar with.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 12:57:54 AM
ZING!!!

Keeps the ghost alien scientologists out.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 12:58:37 AM
The only explanation is that Baruch is secretly a Mormon...

You often grasp at straws.  Won't the nurse at the home, get one for you?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 16, 2019, 08:03:02 AM
And we have a great example...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 16, 2019, 08:32:13 AM
You often grasp at straws.  Won't the nurse at the home, get one for you?

Stop flattering me, my wife will get jealous...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 16, 2019, 01:18:06 PM
My whole point in being here.  It is a fact, that some of you, some of the time, are useful foils.  Aluminum foil, tin foil, gold foil ...

Curses, foiled again!


:-P


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJB2S68M6JY
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 05:14:20 PM
Stop flattering me, my wife will get jealous...

I never mess with married men.  But if you become single again, call ;-)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 16, 2019, 05:30:25 PM
I never mess with married men.  But if you become single again, call ;-)

My wife will kill you...or me...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 17, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
#1 Baruch
#2 Cavebear
#3 #1 Joe
#4 Unbeliever



Your new revised list.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 03:31:02 AM
#1 Baruch
#2 Cavebear
#3 Joe
#4 Unbeliever

More or less how the recent traffic goes.  If you don't see more entries by X or Y, encourage them to post.

Your posts aren't very impressive lately, but I noticed this one. 

Yeah, you sure post a lot.  Of nonsense.

I think mine are usually more meaningful. 

I think Joe is a disappointment.

Unbeliever almost always makes good sense.

Do you have a 5-8?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 06:14:24 AM
Your posts aren't very impressive lately, but I noticed this one. 

Yeah, you sure post a lot.  Of nonsense.

I think mine are usually more meaningful. 

I think Joe is a disappointment.

Unbeliever almost always makes good sense.

Do you have a 5-8?

Been hibernating?  I was up at all hours before I retired.  Yes, almost always Unbeliever has sangfroid.  As I have discussed before, there is little reward for long or complex posts.  They aren't read by anyone.  Occasionally I will break out of the "mini-me" mode.  As far as meaning goes, this is an imperfect medium, everything chopped to pieces, the interrelationships unclear (like footnotes of footnotes with not text body).  But better than the old Vantage vanity publishing (they closed Jan 2013).  Joe has good physics, if you care for that.  Not Popular Science junk.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 20, 2019, 07:14:59 AM
"If you don't see more entries by X or Y, encourage them to post."

Quantity over quality. Vintage Baruch.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 07:32:16 AM
Been hibernating?  I was up at all hours before I retired.  Yes, almost always Unbeliever has sangfroid.  As I have discussed before, there is little reward for long or complex posts.  They aren't read by anyone.  Occasionally I will break out of the "mini-me" mode.  As far as meaning goes, this is an imperfect medium, everything chopped to pieces, the interrelationships unclear (like footnotes of footnotes with not text body).  But better than the old Vantage vanity publishing (they closed Jan 2013).  Joe has good physics, if you care for that.  Not Popular Science junk.

I suggest that your posts aren't read much.  Most people just ignore you.  And I'm learning to.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 07:51:45 AM
I suggest that your posts aren't read much.  Most people just ignore you.  And I'm learning to.

I feel the love.  I post so I read them.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 02:19:00 PM
Been hibernating?  I was up at all hours before I retired.  Yes, almost always Unbeliever has sangfroid.  As I have discussed before, there is little reward for long or complex posts.  They aren't read by anyone.  Occasionally I will break out of the "mini-me" mode.  As far as meaning goes, this is an imperfect medium, everything chopped to pieces, the interrelationships unclear (like footnotes of footnotes with not text body).  But better than the old Vantage vanity publishing (they closed Jan 2013).  Joe has good physics, if you care for that.  Not Popular Science junk.

I (and others) read detailed posts.  That doesn't mean they have to be pages long of drivel.  But they should involve some facts.  When you use facts, your posts might regain some respect.

And that does suggest to me that I personally might try to be more concise sometimes...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 03:46:24 PM
I (and others) read detailed posts.  That doesn't mean they have to be pages long of drivel.  But they should involve some facts.  When you use facts, your posts might regain some respect.

And that does suggest to me that I personally might try to be more concise sometimes...

Only with long drunkenshoe posts, those are the only ones I have a hard time reading.  Excepting the ones that are cryptically short of course (pr126 often just posted a video with[out] commentary).  Some just one word, a few are zero words.

"make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler" - Albert Einstein

Yeah, like a believe you, Cavebear.  I almost never see any evidence of reading long posts (posted by anyone).  MikeCL will read an occasional post on how "Biblical Criticism" is done correctly.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 05:11:51 PM
Only with long drunkenshoe posts, those are the only ones I have a hard time reading.  Excepting the ones that are cryptically short of course (pr126 often just posted a video with commentary).  Some just one word, a few are zero words.

"make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler" - Albert Einstein

Yeah, like a believe you, Cavebear.  I almost never see any evidence of reading long posts (posted by anyone).  MikeCL will read an occasional post on how "Biblical Criticism" is done correctly.

I read long posts when they make sense at the beginning. Few long posts do.  It's not like I need to read a few sentences from a crazed theist to ignore the rest, after all.  And as the brief-speaking royal fool as you usually are, I do appreciate your brevity.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 08:07:53 PM
I read long posts when they make sense at the beginning. Few long posts do.  It's not like I need to read a few sentences from a crazed theist to ignore the rest, after all.  And as the brief-speaking royal fool as you usually are, I do appreciate your brevity.

Yeah, composition is ... random, on Internet things.  Proper composition, is time consuming.  I try to write once without re-writing.  Sorry for that, but this isn't a formal medium.  You will have to wear sandals, not wingtips.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
Yeah, composition is ... random, on Internet things.  Proper composition, is time consuming.  I try to write once without re-writing.  Sorry for that, but this isn't a formal medium.  You will have to wear sandals, not wingtips.

Well, I sometimes write long posts, but mostly fact-oriented ones in reply to some dumb idea.  By nature, I prefer short ones especially when the discussion is opinion like politics.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:14:53 PM
Well, I sometimes write long posts, but mostly fact-oriented ones in reply to some dumb idea.  By nature, I prefer short ones especially when the discussion is opinion like politics.

I do the same.  I irritate, because when you look in the mirror, you see me ;-) ... sort of.  It is a nation/generation/gender thing.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 10:23:01 PM
I do the same.  I irritate, because when you look in the mirror, you see me ;-) ... sort of.  It is a nation/generation/gender thing.

Shades of Doonesbury...

Trudeau had one of the Nixon team beinng asked what he does in the morning  when he sees himself in the mirror.  The reply was "I shave".

But do rest assured that when I look at myself in the mirror every morning

1 I don't see you and 2  I have to pick a cat off my shoulder...  ;)
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:24:20 PM
Shades of Doonesbury...

Trudeau had one of the Nixon team beinng asked what he does in the morning  when he sees himself in the mirror.  The reply was "I shave".

But do rest assured that when I look at myself in the mirror every morning

1 I don't see you and 2  I have to pick a cat off my shoulder...  ;)

Too bad your cat isn't a good killer ... (satire).
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 10:35:07 PM
Too bad your cat isn't a good killer ... (satire).

https://marksmews.blogspot.com/2019/08/twofer-tuesday.html  Check out the last picture...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:53:02 PM
https://marksmews.blogspot.com/2019/08/twofer-tuesday.html  Check out the last picture...

With cats, you can't tell if they are disinterested or simply being sly.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 11:02:27 PM
With cats, you can't tell if they are disinterested or simply being sly.

I can tell when they kill moles...  And I applaud them.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 11:11:33 PM
I can tell when they kill moles...  And I applaud them.

Do they kill your blackheads too? ;-))
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 11:44:16 PM
Do they kill your blackheads too? ;-))

Blackheads???
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2019, 01:11:54 AM
Blackheads???

Skin moles?  Blackheads in your pores?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 01:43:53 AM
Skin moles?  Blackheads in your pores?

I know what they ARE!  I was a teenager once myself.  I didn't see the connection.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 27, 2019, 01:59:53 AM
I know what they ARE!  I was a teenager once myself.  I didn't see the connection.

Pun.  I know what moles in the lawn are.  Always felt sorry for the supposedly blind things.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 03:13:28 AM
Pun.  I know what moles in the lawn are.  Always felt sorry for the supposedly blind things.

Oh I missed that...  Good one.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 30, 2019, 07:50:28 PM
This is how Texas responded to the El Paso shooting!?


https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2019/08/28/gun-laws-loosen-starting-sunday--what-you-need-to-know-


What a bizarre world!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 30, 2019, 07:52:03 PM
A thousand good guys with guns open fire at once. What could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 01:08:22 AM
This is how Texas responded to the El Paso shooting!?


https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2019/08/28/gun-laws-loosen-starting-sunday--what-you-need-to-know-


What a bizarre world!

Yeah, the best way to stop gun violence is to arm everyone?  I read that in someplace (Central Park, NYC?) a motorcycle backfired and people went running.  Now imagine they all had AK-47s...  People firing at anyone they thought was a shooter.

Well,   It might reduce the population of AK-47 owners slightly.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 10:02:09 AM
This is how Texas responded to the El Paso shooting!?


https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/san-antonio/news/2019/08/28/gun-laws-loosen-starting-sunday--what-you-need-to-know-


What a bizarre world!

Texas.  What happens in Cali should stay in Cali.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 10:03:22 AM
Yeah, the best way to stop gun violence is to arm everyone?  I read that in someplace (Central Park, NYC?) a motorcycle backfired and people went running.  Now imagine they all had AK-47s...  People firing at anyone they thought was a shooter.

Well,   It might reduce the population of AK-47 owners slightly.

I don't support open carry.  Don't ask for who the gun tolls, it tolls for thee.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 11:02:19 AM
I don't support open carry.  Don't ask for who the gun tolls, it tolls for thee.

I agree.  The people who think they should be prepared to fight the Army gun to gun are bemused. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 12:17:00 PM
Open carry tells a criminal  where to find a gun.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 31, 2019, 01:13:14 PM
I agree.  The people who think they should be prepared to fight the Army gun to gun are bemused. 

Well, that's a polite way of putting it. I might not be so polite when describing them.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 01:27:02 PM
Open carry tells a criminal  where to find a gun.

As does an armed teacher's desk drawer.

In 2016, the last year for which the CDC provides numbers 22,938 people committed suicide by firearm, while 14,415 people died in gun homicides.

According to Daily Caller News Foundation analysis  (a right to arms group) gun carrying, private citizens who used firearms to stop criminal attacks saved at least 283 potential victims in a period between July 2014 and July 2015.

Let’s see, that’s over 37,000 people who used guns to die themselves or kill someone else, and  283 people who were saved by them..

Of course, anyway who wants to kill themselves might find a way.  Tried to slit your own throat lately with a knife?  Its really hard..  I checked out some websites (I will not give links) but  apparently you can’t slit your own throat.  You flinch. 

Medication seems popular, but you usually through it all up and live wretchedly for days after and never try it again. 

You could arrange some gadget to crush you, shoot you with an arrow, etc,  but that takes building skills and is pretty iffy. 

Self-hanging is often used (about 70% efficient) but apparently it is slower than commonly thought and people who survive it seldom try again. (Wikipedia).

Another website discussed filed self-shooting attempts, but the failures seem to be numerous and gruesome.  Apparently, people in distress can’t aim very well.

It seems that the most certain way to commit suicide is to tie a cinderblock to your foot and jump off a boat.

So much for justifiying guns for suicide…

How about for killing other people?  Well, that works pretty well.  You can’t blame a gun for doing what it is designed to do..  But that isn’t much of a justification for having a gun.  Especially not a repeater type.

I’ve hunted.  I killed quite a few animals in my day.  Deer, rabbits, quail,  even a few groundhogs (and trust me you really don’t want to eat groundhog stew). 

Speaking of quail, if there was ever a justification for a repeating hunting weapon, it’s quail or dove.  But then there wouldn’t be much left to eat, would there?

So why would any civilian need anything more than a 12 gauge shotgun?

Well, to imagine (in the dead of night after listening to people who make you afraid of “The Govt”), of course.    Because those who  think they are a part of a militia who could stand up to the Army with all their trained soldiers and tactics are completely looney-tunes!

So let’s drop all the militia dreams and get rid of the guns that kill us.  The NRA says that 283 people protecting themselves successfully per year is worth 37,000 deaths. 

I don’t think so.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 01:52:33 PM
One of my cousins was accumulating data on people killed by guns owned by a resident of their home. She was looking exclusively at our extended family.

She disappeared a month ago, and hasn't been heard from.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 02:00:14 PM
One of my cousins was accumulating data on people killed by guns owned by a resident of their home. She was looking exclusively at our extended family.

She disappeared a month ago, and hasn't been heard from.

I'm between horrified and dismally-understanding...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 02:19:47 PM
I'm between horrified and dismally-understanding...
She was warned. "But it's just research." Yet another moron on my family tree.

Boss Lady says I must be adopted.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 02:40:26 PM
She was warned. "But it's just research." Yet another moron on my family tree.

Boss Lady says I must be adopted.

About a century ago, a yellow apple appeared om a red delicious tree.  That new apple was called a "Golden Delicious" and it is the most popular apple in the world today.  Maybe you are like that apple...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 04:34:21 PM
She was warned. "But it's just research." Yet another moron on my family tree.

Boss Lady says I must be adopted.

Hatfields or McCoys?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 06:48:32 PM
Hatfields or McCoys?

The smart people are neither.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 31, 2019, 06:51:03 PM
Just heard about another West Texas shooting, in Midland/Odessa. Don't know the details yet.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:00:14 PM
Just heard about another West Texas shooting, in Midland/Odessa. Don't know the details yet.

Oh damn, MORE?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:03:10 PM
Not again.  This insanity HAS to stop.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 07:04:34 PM
It will, when the Earth has been cured of humans.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:07:01 PM
It will, when the Earth has been cured of humans.

History does suggest that will happen eventually. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 07:07:30 PM
History does suggest that will happen eventually. 
Better sooner than later. The crabs and body lice will mourn us.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:10:31 PM
Better sooner than later. The crabs and body lice will mourn us.

The cockroaches will too.  Being tropical insects, they actually depend on our warm apartments.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 07:17:54 PM
The cockroaches will too.  Being tropical insects, they actually depend on our warm apartments.
In non-tropical climates, yes. But the sheep will be the big losers when we go.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:24:49 PM
In non-tropical climates, yes. But the sheep will be the big losers when we go.

Think about this.  Dogs will vanish and cats will hardly notice we are gone.  Those that aren't locked inside anyway...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 07:27:10 PM
Think about this.  Dogs will vanish and cats will hardly notice we are gone.  Those that aren't locked inside anyway...
Dogs will go feral, mix with coyotes and wolves. We'll get labradoodles that stalk bison.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:30:05 PM
Dogs will go feral, mix with coyotes and wolves. We'll get labradoodles that stalk bison.

Have you ever watched 'Life After People'?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 31, 2019, 07:31:57 PM
I had a book some decades ago called "50 Million Years After Man." I'll have to check out the one you mentioned.



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I see there's s lot of that at youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=life+after+people

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Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:36:15 PM
I had a book some decades ago called "50 Million Years After Man." I'll have to check out the one you mentioned.

Its a great series of DVDs.  Not why we vanish, just what would happen if we did suddenly.  I greatly recommend it.

https://www.amazon.com/The-Bodies-Left-Behind/dp/B010HE2INA/ref=sr_1_1?crid=27MNYS2ISK5CW&keywords=life+after+people&qid=1567294531&s=gateway&sprefix=life+after+people%2Caps%2C121&sr=8-1
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 31, 2019, 07:37:54 PM
Odessa Texas. 5 dead--21 injured.  Dust not settled yet, but one shooter--white male about 30--was killed.  Reports of people in cars shooting; a US Postal van was hijacked; a college is locked down. 

I was wondering when this would happen.  White males simply taking their rifles and shooting at nobody in particular and those with dark skin.  And that fucking orange evil bastard is still in office. 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:39:53 PM
Odessa Texas. 5 dead--21 injured.  Dust not settled yet, but one shooter--white male about 30--was killed.  Reports of people in cars shooting; a US Postal van was hijacked; a college is locked down. 

I was wondering when this would happen.  White males simply taking their rifles and shooting at nobody in particular and those with dark skin.  And that fucking orange evil bastard is still in office.

Hate increases when encouraged...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 07:47:23 PM
Have you ever watched 'Life After People'?

Yep. Have you read The Earth Abides? I never give much credence to TV shows, they have no reason to be credible or rational.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:52:32 PM
Yep. Have you read The Earth Abides? I never give much credence to TV shows, they have no reason to be credible or rational.

No, but I looked it up quickly.  It has a cause.  Life After People is just "we vanish" no reason.  And what happens on Earth after.   
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 31, 2019, 07:55:06 PM
Yep. Have you read The Earth Abides? I never give much credence to TV shows, they have no reason to be credible or rational.
One of my all time faves!  I very rarely re-read novels.  This one I've read twice--and since it has been over 30 years since I last read it, I'll have to dig up another copy!  On The Beach; Level 7 and Alas Babylon are also good reads about life after.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 08:05:57 PM
One of my all time faves!  I very rarely re-read novels.  This one I've read twice--and since it has been over 30 years since I last read it, I'll have to dig up another copy!  On The Beach; Level 7 and Alas Babylon are also good reads about life after.

On The Beach was a great movie.  I don't know the other 2.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 31, 2019, 08:08:13 PM
I read On the Beach long ago. It was a lot like The Last Ship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ship_(novel)), another good read.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 08:11:05 PM
I read On the Beach long ago. It was a lot like The Last Ship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ship_(novel)), another good read.

It now amazes me that one can read everything one can find and still miss so many good books.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 31, 2019, 08:12:19 PM
Yeah, so much to read, so little time!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 08:13:32 PM
Yeah, so much to read, so little time!

I have 60' of sci-fi and missed so much!
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 31, 2019, 08:30:21 PM
I read On the Beach long ago. It was a lot like The Last Ship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ship_(novel)), another good read.
I tried to read, The Last Ship, but the writing was so bad I did not finish it.  Liked the concept, tho.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on August 31, 2019, 08:35:17 PM
I don't recall the writing being bad, but it was a long time ago. I thought it was a pretty good read. But then, I thought the dictionary was a pretty good read...
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 08:36:17 PM
I tried to read, The Last Ship, but the writing was so bad I did not finish it.  Liked the concept, tho.

Was that the one where they thought there was a signal only to find it was a bottle in a window blind in the wind?
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Mike Cl on August 31, 2019, 08:47:33 PM
I don't recall the writing being bad, but it was a long time ago. I thought it was a pretty good read. But then, I thought the dictionary was a pretty good read...
Well--maybe it was that my reading was bad and the writing was good. ?? 
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: drunkenshoe on September 01, 2019, 03:46:45 AM
Shooter killed in West Texas after 5 people died, at least 21 injured, police say

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/31/us/odessa-texas-active-shooter/index.html

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(CNN)A gunman in West Texas who went on a shooting spree, killing five people while randomly firing from his vehicle and then from a hijacked mail truck, was shot and killed by police in a gun battle in a movie theater parking lot, authorities said Saturday.

At least 21 people were injured, including three law enforcement officers, Odessa Police Chief Michael Gerke said at a news conference. A hospital administrator said a child under the age of 2 was hurt and at least seven people were in critical condition.

Gerke identified the shooter as a white male in his 30s. His name and a motive were not given.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 01, 2019, 05:20:05 AM
One of my all time faves!  I very rarely re-read novels.  This one I've read twice--and since it has been over 30 years since I last read it, I'll have to dig up another copy!  On The Beach; Level 7 and Alas Babylon are also good reads about life after.
I read Abides and Alas Babylon back to back when I was a bit younger than I am now.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on September 01, 2019, 08:10:20 AM
Shooter killed in West Texas after 5 people died, at least 21 injured, police say

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/31/us/odessa-texas-active-shooter/index.html

Glad shooter was killed.  There are too many bad humans as it is.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Unbeliever on September 01, 2019, 05:15:30 PM
And the next one is out there now getting ready to do something similar. It's only a question of where and when, and how many will die.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 01, 2019, 05:52:49 PM
And the next one is out there now getting ready to do something similar. It's only a question of where and when, and how many will die.
Ah, you've met my cousins.

You have my sympathies.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on September 01, 2019, 05:58:56 PM
And the next one is out there now getting ready to do something similar. It's only a question of where and when, and how many will die.

Makes me happy.  Y'all can die sooner or later.  I am not particular.

“A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them.  Which would include their own government.” - George Washington

Of course he was an evil slave holder.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 01:04:05 AM
Makes me happy.  Y'all can die sooner or later.  I am not particular.

“A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them.  Which would include their own government.” - George Washington

Of course he was an evil slave holder.

Of course he was.  They used the economic success at the time.  It was evil.  So was English serfdom, and the practices of most places at the times.  Life was awful then.  I am glad that most places got out of slave economies.  That the US was one of the last to do so is forever shameful.

But I suppose someone always has to be last.  I do sure wish we hadn't been the last, but talk to Southerners about the details on that.  Some of MY ancestors died ending it.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on September 03, 2019, 01:56:16 AM
Of course he was.  They used the economic success at the time.  It was evil.  So was English serfdom, and the practices of most places at the times.  Life was awful then.  I am glad that most places got out of slave economies.  That the US was one of the last to do so is forever shameful.

But I suppose someone always has to be last.  I do sure wish we hadn't been the last, but talk to Southerners about the details on that.  Some of MY ancestors died ending it.

Yes, we are colonials (now).  Rebels (now).  Slavers (now).  Nothing good about the USA?  Except all the other bastards.  Don't tie your identity to your nationality (sarc).
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 02:12:00 AM
Yes, we are colonials (now).  Rebels (now).  Slavers (now).  Nothing good about the USA?  Except all the other bastards.  Don't tie your identity to your nationality (sarc).

Speak for yourself.  In the US, we had to fight a damn vicious and bloody Civil War to end it because slavery was so integrated in a major part of the country.  And in some ways, we are still fighting it.  I envy those nations that managed to end slavery more easily.  It was not a proud time.  We still struggle with the "original sin" of slavery. 

But we do fight it.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on September 03, 2019, 02:19:18 AM
Speak for yourself.  In the US, we had to fight a damn vicious and bloody Civil War to end it because slavery was so integrated in a major part of the country.  And in some ways, we are still fighting it.  I envy those nations that managed to end slavery more easily.  It was not a proud time.  We still struggle with the "original sin" of slavery. 

But we do fight it.

I only speak for myself.  The rest of humanity can off itself.  You envy other nations?  Traitor (sarc).  If you were a real American, our shit would smell sweet.

The original sin is coming down out of the trees.

20,000 teen girls are enslaved in the US.  Many "guest workers" are enslaved but not in the sex trade.  Fed by human trafficking which has bipartisan support.  Put on your lycra suit and go superhero for us ;-)  And stop pissing on the ancestors.  We don't have anything on them as far as virtue goes.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 04:09:53 AM
I only speak for myself.  The rest of humanity can off itself.  You envy other nations?  Traitor (sarc).  If you were a real American, our shit would smell sweet.

The original sin is coming down out of the trees.

20,000 teen girls are enslaved in the US.  Many "guest workers" are enslaved but not in the sex trade.  Fed by human trafficking which has bipartisan support.  Put on your lycra suit and go superhero for us ;-)  And stop pissing on the ancestors.  We don't have anything on them as far as virtue goes.

Of course you only speak for yourself.  No one else would say what you do.

"The original sin is coming down out of the trees"?  It is why we are human.  You have either been sniffing glue or drinking mercury or drinking from lead cups.
Title: Re: Mass Shooting in El Paso
Post by: Baruch on September 03, 2019, 11:13:53 AM
Civilization is over-rated.