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Title: Marginalized sports
Post by: viocjit on July 16, 2019, 09:16:41 PM
Hello Everybody !

I'd like to speak with you about marginalized sports in the media (TV , Radio , Magazines about sport , Internet etc...).
In North America sports like American football , Basketball and Baseball are popular.
But outside of North America the existence of US football and baseball are known but these sports aren't popular and the majority of those living outside of N.America don't known rules of these sports with the exception of Japan in which baseball is popular.

In Europe soccer is a popular sport but it's not popular in North America.
In Europe basketball is less popular than soccer and basketball is less popular in Europe than in North America.
Handball is more popular in Europe than North America and this sport doesn't seem to be known by the majority of people living in North America.

Australian football , Beach soccer , Gaelic football , Floorball , Korfball and many others sports aren't highly mediatized.
What to do in order to favorize marginalized sports in media ? What's yours ideas ?
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Minimalist on July 16, 2019, 10:10:41 PM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Shiranu on July 16, 2019, 10:14:37 PM
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In Europe soccer is a popular sport but it's not popular in North America

Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Panama and Nicaragua would like to disagree.

 
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What to do in order to favorize marginalized sports in media ?

I don't think you can "make" them less marginalized; if it's not a "traditional" game in your country, you just have to have someone extremely good at it come from your country and make it popular. F1 is a perfect example of this, with the sport booming into popularity in Spain with the stardom of Alonso or having a strong following in Germany and Italy thanks to very successful teams like Mercedes and Ferrari.

That, or hype up the greatest player at ______ in the world and make it so everyone HAS to know what the best player in the world at ____ is doing. Turn him/her into a brand that people will want to be a part of.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Hydra009 on July 16, 2019, 10:29:37 PM
In Europe soccer is a popular sport but it's not popular in North America.
Umm..it's pretty popular in the US.  Not quite as popular as it is in Latin America and Europe, but still pretty popular.

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Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Hydra009 on July 16, 2019, 10:33:30 PM
Hockey is surprisingly big in NC.  That's a bit counter-intuitive.

Also, the team is named after a natural disaster that frequently targets NC.  Basically, it's like a Hiroshima baseball team calling themselves The Nukes.  Dark humor as a coping mechanism, I guess.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Hydra009 on July 16, 2019, 10:42:57 PM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.
Eh... On one hand, I agree, but on the other it's culturally important and leisure activities as a whole are grossly undervalued (they beat the hell out of work and the misery that we call life) so I'm kinda leaning on giving that a pass.

Just don't leave any trash near the stadium and don't burn any cars, and we're good.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: viocjit on July 17, 2019, 05:41:10 AM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.

Sport can be boring for some people.
Sport can be fun for some people.
If we like it or not don't matter because it will still be a bridge between schools , universities , municipalities , counties , provinces , nations etc...
I'm not a sport fan but I acknowledge it's a bridge between people.


Mexico, Costa Rica, Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Belize, Panama and Nicaragua would like to disagree.

 
I don't think you can "make" them less marginalized; if it's not a "traditional" game in your country, you just have to have someone extremely good at it come from your country and make it popular. F1 is a perfect example of this, with the sport booming into popularity in Spain with the stardom of Alonso or having a strong following in Germany and Italy thanks to very successful teams like Mercedes and Ferrari.

That, or hype up the greatest player at ______ in the world and make it so everyone HAS to know what the best player in the world at ____ is doing. Turn him/her into a brand that people will want to be a part of.

You're right. I forget these countries because I did only think to USA and Canada when I was thinking to North America.
Have a good player from your country in a marginalized game to increase its popularity in your country is a good idea but I'm interest about how to mediatize marginalized sports in the whole world and not in only one country.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2019, 07:26:49 AM
Hello Everybody !

I'd like to speak with you about marginalized sports in the media (TV , Radio , Magazines about sport , Internet etc...).
In North America sports like American football , Basketball and Baseball are popular.
But outside of North America the existence of US football and baseball are known but these sports aren't popular and the majority of those living outside of N.America don't known rules of these sports with the exception of Japan in which baseball is popular.

In Europe soccer is a popular sport but it's not popular in North America.
In Europe basketball is less popular than soccer and basketball is less popular in Europe than in North America.
Handball is more popular in Europe than North America and this sport doesn't seem to be known by the majority of people living in North America.

Australian football , Beach soccer , Gaelic football , Floorball , Korfball and many others sports aren't highly mediatized.
What to do in order to favorize marginalized sports in media ? What's yours ideas ?

France is socialist.  So teams are supported by political parties and labor unions, right?  The US is capitalist, it is all about money, and money comes from advertising and exclusive media deals.  So maybe in France sports hierarchy is moved by social factors.  In the US, it is all decided on private golf courses like Mar A Lago.

Thus less money for some sports vs others ... for different reasons.  I guess in pure communism sports, there are just national teams, payed for by the central government.  E German Swim Team basically.  Then you can get equality between sports.  And maybe make money investing in steroids ;-(
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2019, 07:28:21 AM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.

To busy watching soap operas? ;-)
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Sal1981 on July 17, 2019, 10:09:00 AM
I think sports is a good substitute for our desire, or innate nature, for hunting and competition (read: territorial nature).

I don't see why we should try and make marginalized sports more mainstream. I mean, the reason mainstream sports, like football is so global, is because it's a simple of trying to get a ball into the opponents goal - and that really speaks to our nature of hunting and competition, IMO. If a sport doesn't speak to our human nature, I don't see how it could succeed.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2019, 10:25:18 AM
I think sports is a good substitute for our desire, or innate nature, for hunting and competition (read: territorial nature).

I don't see why we should try and make marginalized sports more mainstream. I mean, the reason mainstream sports, like football is so global, is because it's a simple of trying to get a ball into the opponents goal - and that really speaks to our nature of hunting and competition, IMO. If a sport doesn't speak to our human nature, I don't see how it could succeed.

Eleven dimensional chess will never be popular enough, only Obama and Trump can play it ;-)
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: viocjit on July 19, 2019, 07:33:51 AM
France is socialist.  So teams are supported by political parties and labor unions, right?  The US is capitalist, it is all about money, and money comes from advertising and exclusive media deals.  So maybe in France sports hierarchy is moved by social factors.  In the US, it is all decided on private golf courses like Mar A Lago.

Thus less money for some sports vs others ... for different reasons.  I guess in pure communism sports, there are just national teams, payed for by the central government.  E German Swim Team basically.  Then you can get equality between sports.  And maybe make money investing in steroids ;-(

In France teams are not sponsored by political parties and labor unions.
They are sponsored by companies like Adidas , Bouygues Telecom (French Internet provider) , Coca-Cola , Decathlon (A French company owning sports shop) , Visa etc...

French Republic isn't officially a Socialist state but there are things similar with Socialist states like the state bureaucracy.
PCF (Parti Communiste Français / French Communist Party) founded in 1920 is a declining party since the end of cold war.

Some decade ago it was a major political party of France and in the Western World but nowadays it is a minor party of French political life.
There are 12 senators (French : Sénateurs) members of PCF (There are 348 senators in the French senate) and 11 deputies (French : Députés) in the national assembly (French : Assemblée Nationale) on a total of 577 deputies.
PCF is a member of IMCWP (International Meeting of Communist and Workers Parties) like its American counterpart CPUSA (Communist Party of the United States of America) founded in 1919

The American homologous of French national assembly is the United States House of Representatives.
The American homologous of French senate (French : Sénat) is the United States Senate.
The French homologous of United States Congress is the French parliament (French : Parlement Français).

The economic system of USA is a market economy but in France the economic system is a mixed economy.

IMCWP : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Meeting_of_Communist_and_Workers_Parties
PCF : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Communist_Party
CPUSA : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA
Market economy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_economy
Mixed economy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_economy
United States Congress : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress
French Parliament : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Parliament
United States Senate : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate
French Senate : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_(France)
United States House of Representatives : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives
French National Assembly : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Assembly_(France)
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: aitm on July 19, 2019, 10:13:50 AM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.
Well the original practice was attacking the neighbors and bunches of peeps dying. This is probably a better idea....but some days I wonder....
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 19, 2019, 12:54:40 PM
Football is popular in the rest of the world? LOL Football is a fucking religion in the rest of the world. So naturally, it is about everything but the game.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: drunkenshoe on July 19, 2019, 01:07:22 PM
France is socialist.

ROFL Everything you complain about your country is directly related that the state(s) in the US; esp. the federal one, are not social states. And you define a more social state structure as socialism. Or perhaps you really have no idea what they both mean?

I am not even sure what does 'social state' mean in English context though. Because the only thing that keeps coming up is Welfare State. Lol. ?
 
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Baruch on July 19, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
ROFL Everything you complain about your country is directly related that the state(s) in the US; esp. the federal one, are not social states. And you define a more social state structure as socialism. Or perhaps you really have no idea what they both mean?

I am not even sure what does 'social state' mean in English context though. Because the only thing that keeps coming up is Welfare State. Lol. ?
 

Well I was just corrected on sports in France.  So the A causes B is moot now.  France seems just as capitalist as the US then.  No wonder they have lost their way.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: trdsf on July 20, 2019, 03:45:25 AM
I think humanity wastes too much of its time on sports.
Wastes too much money on sports, definitely.  The ability to throw, hit, kick, catch, or bounce a ball is not worth hundreds of millions of dollars, period.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Shiranu on July 20, 2019, 04:23:17 AM
The ability to throw, hit, kick, catch, or bounce a ball is not worth hundreds of millions of dollars, period.

I agree, but these teams only pay their players so much because people are willing to give them even grander sums of money in tickets, merchandise and, most importantly, through corporate sponsorship.

The ridiculous amounts of money in sports has very, very little to do with the sports themselves (or the athletes) and far more with branding and turning what should be, at it's core, an extremely pure human behaviour into something disgustingly emotionally bleached and sterilized.

I love watching the best players in the world compete, but I would give it up in a heartbeat to go back to the "good ol' days" where only those who lived in a major city, or a small team with a prodigy player, could see those talents... which kept fees and wages at reasonable levels. That's what events like the World Cup should be for... to see the greatest players in the world who you otherwise wouldn't get to see.

By giving everyone 24/7 access to the greatest players in the world you strip away some of the mythical aspects of them... which is a shame.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 04:26:14 AM
Everyone in the World loves a sport until the US starts to play it.  And succeeds...
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 06:17:02 AM
Everyone in the World loves a sport until the US starts to play it.  And succeeds...

You will never make us take up Cricket!
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 06:44:18 AM
You will never make us take up Cricket!

And we neither.  But please explain a rugby scrum...
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 11:26:27 AM
And we neither.  But please explain a rugby scrum...

Brits can't afford pads/helmets.
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 06:24:57 PM
Brits can't afford pads/helmets.

They drown themselves in beer afterwards.  And it ain't free...
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: viocjit on July 25, 2019, 08:03:32 AM
Do you know what is CONIFA World Football Cup ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONIFA_World_Football_Cup
Do you know what are NatWest International Island Games ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Games
Do you know what is Muratti Vase ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratti_Vase
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Baruch on July 25, 2019, 08:02:48 PM
New to me.  But I am sports ignorant ;-)
Title: Re: Marginalized sports
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 08:42:18 AM
Do you know what is CONIFA World Football Cup ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONIFA_World_Football_Cup
Do you know what are NatWest International Island Games ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Games
Do you know what is Muratti Vase ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muratti_Vase

I watch professional women's soccer, University of Maryland women's basketball, and Ultimate Disk.  I've also enjoyed watching ax-throwing, billiards, bowling, and archery.  Soccer drives me nuts waiting for a score though...