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Title: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2019, 03:04:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPjn6rcJqsI

His retrial may impact the Clintons and others.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 08, 2019, 07:55:00 AM
The music made me think he done somthing worse than being a teen pedo.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 08, 2019, 08:53:58 AM
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The music made me think he done somthing worse than being a teen pedo.
Are you implying that being a pedo isn't that bad??

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Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2019, 03:28:29 PM
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Are you implying that being a pedo isn't that bad??

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Depends on "age of consent" and if she really consented.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Draconic Aiur on July 08, 2019, 03:58:57 PM
The worst pedo is into girls 12 and under.  Also something worse than a pedo is a deeply religious psychopathic murderer.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2019, 04:06:00 PM
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The worst pedo is into girls 12 and under.  Also something worse than a pedo is a deeply religious psychopathic murderer.

Atheist murder better?  All humans are psychopaths.  So that covers a lot of murders.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 08, 2019, 04:11:08 PM
So, you admit that you're a psychopath?
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Sal1981 on July 08, 2019, 04:11:57 PM
Doesn't that come with a caveat?
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2019, 01:43:52 AM
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So, you admit that you're a psychopath?

Takes one to know one ;-)  You KNEW that was coming ;-))
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2019, 01:25:11 PM
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Takes one to know one ;-)  You KNEW that was coming ;-))

Nah, I'm a skeptic, so I can know nothing at all, remember? I suspected, though.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2019, 03:58:46 PM
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Nah, I'm a skeptic, so I can know nothing at all, remember? I suspected, though.

You are a suspect?  Hope Columbo isn't onto you!
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2019, 04:00:06 PM
Yeah, I'm one of the usual suspects.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2019, 04:04:29 PM
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Yeah, I'm one of the usual suspects.

And one more thing ...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2019, 04:26:22 PM
"Jeffrey Epstein's Wikipedia Page Stealth-Edited To Remove Ties To Democrats" ... yeah, about Wikipedia being objective ... it is jut part of CIA narrative control.

"Bill Clinton Lying About Epstein Relationship: Report" ... Epstein made a 4 million investment to help Clinton get his charitable fund off the ground (and the girl on her back).
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2019, 10:06:47 PM
"Snyder: Epstein Case Has The Potential To Be The Biggest Scandal In American History" ... nothing to see, move on ...

"Ann Coulter Thinks Epstein Had A "State Sponsor" & Was Running A "Blackmailing" Operation"... CIA operation
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2019, 11:15:09 PM
Comey's daughter is one of the prosecutors against Epstein this problem.  Will she turn Epstein for favorable treatment?

The whole prior Epstein trial was like the Jessie Smollett deal ... you need a person in high places (Michele Obama intervened with Smollett).
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 10, 2019, 02:20:14 PM
I guess "GOP" means "Guardians Of Pedophiles."
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 11, 2019, 06:30:00 AM
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I guess "GOP" means "Guardians Of Pedophiles."

Dems = guardians of sexy cigars.

Bill Clinton, 26 times visited Pleasure Island.  Not to mention all the trips on the Mile High Club.

So, are you swearing off all sex, and joining a Catholic monastery?
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 11, 2019, 01:27:37 PM
Hell, I swore off of sex decades ago. It's just not worth the trouble and energy. Not likely to join any monasteries any time soon, though Catholic or otherwise.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: _Xenu_ on July 11, 2019, 06:11:32 PM
Murdering a kid is much harder to get away with than molesting dozens. It's all about the shame the victims go through.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Shiranu on July 11, 2019, 07:14:08 PM
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Murdering a kid is much harder to get away with than molesting dozens. It's all about the shame the victims go through.

Unless you belong to the Catholic Church, Orthodox Judaism, Mormonism, the American Government, the oligarchy...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 11, 2019, 09:24:42 PM
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Unless you belong to the Catholic Church, Orthodox Judaism, Mormonism, the American Government, the oligarchy...

It is good to be the King ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-2h4XnKZ3g

"Acosta Scrapped 53-Page Epstein Indictment In 2008 "After Secret Negotiations": Fmr State's Attorney" ... ah yes, sexy secret negotiations ...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 12, 2019, 12:32:44 AM
"Giraldi: Did Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein Work For Mossad?" ... duh, does the Rothschilds have bar mitzvahs?

"Chuck Schumer Took Tens Of Thousands Of Dollars In Donations From Jeffrey Epstein" ... probably not the only one.  Call all these donations ... bribes.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 12, 2019, 03:28:39 PM
Trump fans are so dumb...they think a pedophile is someone with a foot fetish.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 12, 2019, 04:15:37 PM
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Trump fans are so dumb...they think a pedophile is someone with a foot fetish.

AOC fans are so dumb ... they think that communism is a return to hippie camps.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Shiranu on July 12, 2019, 07:41:45 PM
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"Chuck Schumer Took Tens Of Thousands Of Dollars In Donations From Jeffrey Epstein" ... probably not the only one.  Call all these donations ... bribes.

I would not be even the remotest bit surprised if Schumer (and Pelosi) aren't, in one way or another, involved with the sex trafficking that seems to plague most of our oligarchy.

I don't know if it would be hush money bribery or "your cut of the deal" bribery.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 01:49:07 AM
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I would not be even the remotest bit surprised if Schumer (and Pelosi) aren't, in one way or another, involved with the sex trafficking that seems to plague most of our oligarchy.

I don't know if it would be hush money bribery or "your cut of the deal" bribery.

"your cut of the deal" bribery is much more practical.  That has to be the majority of it.  Influence peddling goes back to Athens.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 04:34:16 PM
Epstein is a predator creep and not much else matters...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 06:41:06 PM
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Epstein is a predator creep and not much else matters...

Except for all the compromised leaders who have led us to hell for 20 years now.  The Johns aren't innocent.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Shiranu on July 13, 2019, 07:38:43 PM
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Epstein is a predator creep and not much else matters...

No, I think the entire ring matters... not just one pawn in it.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 13, 2019, 07:41:44 PM
Hell, I guess the rich probably figure "why be rich and powerful if you can't fuck whomever you want to fuck?"
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 08:28:31 PM
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Hell, I guess the rich probably figure "why be rich and powerful if you can't fuck whomever you want to fuck?"

Well, maybe time to fuck the rich?
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 13, 2019, 08:33:04 PM
Yeah, might as well try fo fuck the Kraken.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 18, 2019, 03:38:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI6RJhkBaoI
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2019, 04:44:39 PM
No matter how many times Bill used Epstein's services ... he isn't guilty, because the ones giving him a blow job ... didn't inhale ;-)
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 18, 2019, 04:47:38 PM
I cant wait to hear Clinton say "I did not...have...sexual relations with those young girls..."
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2019, 07:27:19 PM
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I cant wait to hear Clinton say "I did not...have...sexual relations with those young girls..."

He was playing doctor ... he heard someone shout "Is there a perv in the house?".
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 04:47:56 AM
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He was playing doctor ... he heard someone shout "Is there a perv in the house?".

There are SOME PEOPLE (raise your hands) who can't help diverting attention to Bill Clinton (off the world stage) in order to avoid acknowledging the present perp-in-charge who has done much worse and glories in it.  Trump is an evidentially-proven serial sicko around women.

If he wasn't President, he would be in jail for 10-20 years.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 06:04:01 AM
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There are SOME PEOPLE (raise your hands) who can't help diverting attention to Bill Clinton (off the world stage) in order to avoid acknowledging the present perp-in-charge who has done much worse and glories in it.  Trump is an evidentially-proven serial sicko around women.

If he wasn't President, he would be in jail for 10-20 years.

Prejudice doesn't become you, but you have nothing else to base things on.  All Dems need to be jailed.  Really.  Starting in 1965.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 08:57:18 AM
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Prejudice doesn't become you, but you have nothing else to base things on.  All Dems need to be jailed.  Really.  Starting in 1965.

See, now that's what I mean.  You say "Dems".  The Republicans say "the Democrat" party as a routine insult.  I don't say "Reps" or "Repubs.  It's a diminishment-by-dimunitive ploy.  It's the "Democratic" party.  Constant libel...

And I laugh when the Republicans (see how I use their formal name) claim to "be the party of Lincoln".  They traded places with the racially-bigoted southern Democrats in 1968 via Nixon's "Southern Strategy".  They have been the party of white supremists and bigots ever since and they only win when the get enough angry white males of a certain age to vote for them (I don't count most McCain supporters among them, which is why he lost). 
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 10:36:16 AM
In my counter-narrative way, I no longer think that the Dems traded places with the Repubs in 1965-1975 ... that was just a clever mind fuck that the parties have sold to a gullible public.  Not that means I dislike the Dems or Repubs more.  They are what they are.  Sociopaths.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 11:23:48 AM
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In my counter-narrative way, I no longer think that the Dems traded places with the Repubs in 1965-1975 ... that was just a clever mind fuck that the parties have sold to a gullible public.  Not that means I dislike the Dems or Repubs more.  They are what they are.  Sociopaths.

Well, that's a whole different argument.  You are now saying that both major US political parties are deliberately faking what they claim to represent.  I don't agree.  There ARE some True Believers in both parties.  I'm not saying "all".  But I am saying "most".  For most of them, WYSIWYG...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 11:29:18 AM
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Well, that's a whole different argument.  You are now saying that both major US political parties are deliberately faking what they claim to represent.  I don't agree.  There ARE some True Believers in both parties.  I'm not saying "all".  But I am saying "most".  For most of them, WYSIWYG...

It was a good mind fuck (the party switch narrative) ... I got many orgasms from it myself.  But after 45 years, I am pretty reamed.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 11:33:36 AM
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It was a good mind fuck (the party switch narrative) ... I got many orgasms from it myself.  But after 45 years, I am pretty reamed.

I don't want to touch any of that with a 6' pole.  And I bet an old friend (Andrew Chimelusky - a 6' Pole) wouldn't either.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 20, 2019, 01:45:43 PM
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There are SOME PEOPLE (raise your hands) who can't help diverting attention to Bill Clinton (off the world stage) in order to avoid acknowledging the present perp-in-charge who has done much worse and glories in it.

Yeah, it's called "whataboutism" and the right wingers do it all the time. Baruch does it a lot, too, so I'm wondering if he's a right-winger, but he claims to not be.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 02:10:45 PM
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Yeah, it's called "whataboutism" and the right wingers do it all the time. Baruch does it a lot, too, so I'm wondering if he's a right-winger, but he claims to not be.

I haven't figured out Baruch either.  Sometimes I think he lives in a trailer and hugs a laptop close all day looking for acknowledgement of his expertise every day. 

Rightwingers do the Trump shuffle all the time.  They go out and speak his thoughts and justify him, fearfully awaiting the 180 shuffle that forces them to say that what they said the day before was 'fake news' even after being shown the video tape.  What a horrible life...

I worked in the Fed Govt for 30 years.  I know the kind of traps the ambitious ones fall into.  There was a day during the Reagan Administration where the supervisors came around with a loyalty pledge to Reagan.  They had all signed it without hesitation.  When the Division Director handed it to all of us.  I crumpled it into a ball and tossed it to his feet.  He turned beet-red and left the office.  We never heard about that pledge afterwards.

I was later thanked by everyone in the office.  On one hand, I never got promoted again.  On the other, I consider that one of the best moments of my life.  Not everyone gets a chance to do something honorable like that.

Rightwingers should grow some spine...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 04:53:55 PM
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Yeah, it's called "whataboutism" and the right wingers do it all the time. Baruch does it a lot, too, so I'm wondering if he's a right-winger, but he claims to not be.

I copy good ideas.  But since we are past the 2016 election, it is less fun.  After the 2020 election I can start the same cycle all over again.  Kamala Harris this or Joe Biden that ...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 04:56:16 PM
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I haven't figured out Baruch either.  Sometimes I think he lives in a trailer and hugs a laptop close all day looking for acknowledgement of his expertise every day. 

Rightwingers do the Trump shuffle all the time.  They go out and speak his thoughts and justify him, fearfully awaiting the 180 shuffle that forces them to say that what they said the day before was 'fake news' even after being shown the video tape.  What a horrible life...

I worked in the Fed Govt for 30 years.  I know the kind of traps the ambitious ones fall into.  There was a day during the Reagan Administration where the supervisors came around with a loyalty pledge to Reagan.  They had all signed it without hesitation.  When the Division Director handed it to all of us.  I crumpled it into a ball and tossed it to his feet.  He turned beet-red and left the office.  We never heard about that pledge afterwards.

I was later thanked by everyone in the office.  On one hand, I never got promoted again.  On the other, I consider that one of the best moments of my life.  Not everyone gets a chance to do something honorable like that.

Rightwingers should grow some spine...

All my posts go thru the secret decoder ring first, for obfuscation (more powerful than encryption).  I don't live in a trailer yet, I am moving from an apartment to a trailer.  I had to move out of my mother's basement, because she died ;-(  Meanwhile your post is so rich, I can't just laugh on the far side of the computer screen.  LOL.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on July 20, 2019, 04:59:05 PM
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I copy good ideas.  But since we are past the 2016 election, it is less fun.  After the 2020 election I can start the same cycle all over again.  Kamala Harris this or Joe Biden that ...

Nah, I figure you'll still be stuck on the Clintons and the Obamas.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 05:03:10 PM
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Nah, I figure you'll still be stuck on the Clintons and the Obamas.

Wait long enough, and Clinton's daughter will be running, and maybe the Obama girls too.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on July 20, 2019, 06:41:56 PM
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I copy good ideas.  But since we are past the 2016 election, it is less fun.  After the 2020 election I can start the same cycle all over again.  Kamala Harris this or Joe Biden that ...

We can have Trump or NOT have Trump...  Everyone else is not Trump.   I don't think that is too complicated.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2019, 07:37:39 PM
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We can have Trump or NOT have Trump...  Everyone else is not Trump.   I don't think that is too complicated.

You are too easily satisfied, and too easily offended.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 06:54:07 AM
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You are too easily satisfied, and too easily offended.

Oh, I'm easily offended.  The world offers SO MUCH to be honestly offended about.

I'm not easily satisfied though.  I have to do a lot of posting to get any rational answers to my questions.  You aren't the most helpful in that regard, BTW.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2019, 07:05:23 AM
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Oh, I'm easily offended.  The world offers SO MUCH to be honestly offended about.

I'm not easily satisfied though.  I have to do a lot of posting to get any rational answers to my questions.  You aren't the most helpful in that regard, BTW.

There are no rational answers to be offered.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 08:27:14 AM
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There are no rational answers to be offered.  Sorry.

Well, you do what you can't.  It's a talent you have.  Have an anagram challenge...  "Faecal Oh Sour You"
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2019, 12:16:14 PM
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Well, you do what you can't.  It's a talent you have.  Have an anagram challenge...  "Faecal Oh Sour You"

Sorry, don't do those.  They call up major demons.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 02:02:08 PM
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Sorry, don't do those.  They call up major demons.

Thought that might be something you would be interested in.  Not my specialty either.  Not looking to call demons...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on August 01, 2019, 02:26:24 PM
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Sorry, don't do those.  They call up major demons.

Well, that's better than general demons, I guess...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 02:40:36 PM
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Well, that's better than general demons, I guess...

Wouldn't a General Demon be a more difficult opponent than a Major Demon?  Personally, I wouldn't want to a face even a Private Demon!
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2019, 03:13:14 PM
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Thought that might be something you would be interested in.  Not my specialty either.  Not looking to call demons...

Asmodeus perhaps?  The name sounds ... interesting.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2019, 03:14:19 PM
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Wouldn't a General Demon be a more difficult opponent than a Major Demon?  Personally, I wouldn't want to a face even a Private Demon!

Yes, wouldn't want him messing with your privates.  BTW - those are called succubi and incubi.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 04:01:29 PM
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Asmodeus perhaps?  The name sounds ... interesting.

You got me.  When WE call his name using the tat on my back pushed against the 5 star tile on the floor HE comes on command and I get to stay up 36 hours replying to posts like this...  Much easier than buying a bottle of wine and pack of cigs...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on August 01, 2019, 04:04:46 PM
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Asmodeus perhaps?  The name sounds ... interesting.

You sure you're not confusing Asmodeus with Commodeus? Also known as Beelzebutt.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2019, 04:07:55 PM
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You sure you're not confusing Asmodeus with Commodeus? Also known as Beelzebutt.

Oh man, you do NOT want to mess with Beelzebut!  He gets in the cats' litter boxes all the time.  And the ants, oh the ants...  You can treat Assmodeus with Prep H BTW...  So I've been told...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on August 03, 2019, 12:11:21 PM
This story is actually huge.  It is going to bring down big people in both parties.  That's why everyone is moving so cautiously on it.

The chaos will be glorious.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 03, 2019, 01:03:30 PM
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This story is actually huge.  It is going to bring down big people in both parties.  That's why everyone is moving so cautiously on it.

The chaos will be glorious.

Maybe ... Comey won't be charged for aiding and abetting Queen Hillary.  They did all they did, with Epstein as a Mossad operation?  Or just an anticlimactic Arkancide.  The Borgias have nothing on these people.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Jason Harvestdancer on August 04, 2019, 12:49:38 AM
That's just it.  When the evidence is finally made fully public, it will be like ripping the lid off of Hell and letting everyone see inside.  The many who are dirty are going to be running for cover and trying to cut deals.  The few who are clean are going to have unlimited opportunities.  Usually when things get really bad the elite sacrifice one of their own to the mob to save all the rest, but in this case they're going to have to sacrifice a lot.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 05, 2019, 10:09:09 AM
When Trump is finally dragged kicking and screaming from the White House, he is going to be charged with multiple State crimes and Federal crimes (depending on when he is removed).  And I suspect he won't be like Nixon (who was saved from prison by Ford).  Nixon was actually considered a talented leader who ruined his life in a minor matter (it's not the crime, it's the cover-up). 

Trump is despised even among Republicans professionals as a twisted sick man and idiot leader.  It's just that they fear his supporters in their primaries.  The day he is out of power, they will swear they "never knew him", as he has said of so many of his failed appointees.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 05, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
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When Trump is finally dragged kicking and screaming from the White House, he is going to be charged with multiple State crimes and Federal crimes (depending on when he is removed).  And I suspect he won't be like Nixon (who was saved from prison by Ford).  Nixon was actually considered a talented leader who ruined his life in a minor matter (it's not the crime, it's the cover-up). 

Trump is despised even among Republicans professionals as a twisted sick man and idiot leader.  It's just that they fear his supporters in their primaries.  The day he is out of power, they will swear they "never knew him", as he has said of so many of his failed appointees.

When Bill Clinton is dragged kicking and screaming from the White House ... oops, wrong parallel universe ...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 08, 2019, 10:01:51 AM
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When Bill Clinton is dragged kicking and screaming from the White House ... oops, wrong parallel universe ...

For a BJ from an adult female?  Spare me the ludicrous comparisons. 
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 08, 2019, 01:45:25 PM
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For a BJ from an adult female?  Spare me the ludicrous comparisons.

He slept with as many women as Wilt Chamberlain, going back to his college days on the astroturf in the back of his Arkie pickup truck.

Per Federal policy it is a terminable offense to harass or otherwise have a relationship with a subordinate.  Did you ever sexually harass coworkers, or a subordinate?
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 11:18:06 AM
So, that didn't take long ... Epstein is dead.  Presumably that stops the entire investigation into the johns involved.

Body was found with a note ... "Love, Hillary" (sarc).
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Shiranu on August 10, 2019, 02:26:25 PM
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So, that didn't take long ... Epstein is dead.  Presumably that stops the entire investigation into the johns involved.

Body was found with a note ... "Love, Hillary" (sarc).

Her, or 10,000 other influential people he had compromising information on.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 03:34:29 PM
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Her, or 10,000 other influential people he had compromising information on.

Murder On The Love Island Express ... except in this case, Poirot is also one of the murderers.  The goal is to stop the "Discovery" phase of the trial, so that the public can go back to the pleasant falsehood that our leaders are not depraved monsters.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Sal1981 on August 10, 2019, 05:01:15 PM
"Suicide". Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 09:35:39 PM
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"Suicide". Yeah, right.

The "shot twice in the back of the head so must be a suicide" meme was already taken.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: aileron on August 11, 2019, 04:15:56 PM
I'm less interested in the conspiracy theories about faked suicide than I am how he got off so easily 10ish years ago.

Maybe we need parallel court systems, one to convict poor and middle class people, and one to acquit rich people.

It would streamline things and remove hypocrisy from our justice system.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 11, 2019, 06:49:06 PM
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I'm less interested in the conspiracy theories about faked suicide than I am how he got off so easily 10ish years ago.

Maybe we need parallel court systems, one to convict poor and middle class people, and one to acquit rich people.

It would streamline things and remove hypocrisy from our justice system.

Corruption.  And naming any agency involved, is conspiracy theory.  The CIA invented the term "conspiracy theory" back in the 50s, because they were dating the aliens from Roswell.  Huba hubs.  Hey baby, I like the way you probe me ...

So .. how do you remove idiots and other defectives from the justice system?  Sounds like the infamous self-licking-ice-cream-cone strikes again.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 05:02:28 AM
I am far less interested in that Epstein hanged himself (I would too facing life in prison for being guilty of so many crimes), than I am regretting the loss of information he might have provided of a whole network of other equal abusers.  Too many will go free...  And too many victims will be denied some legal, public, or financial recompense.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:44:40 AM
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I am far less interested in that Epstein hanged himself (I would too facing life in prison for being guilty of so many crimes), than I am regretting the loss of information he might have provided of a whole network of other equal abusers.  Too many will go free...  And too many victims will be denied some legal, public, or financial recompense.

Correct.  Some claim this won't prevent further investigation of the johns.  I think it will prevent.  And one of his fellow prisoners (who would know) was that there was no way Epstein committed suicide.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 11:09:41 PM
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Correct.  Some claim this won't prevent further investigation of the johns.  I think it will prevent.  And one of his fellow prisoners (who would know) was that there was no way Epstein committed suicide.

Will wait for the official investigation.  Even among criminals, pedophiles aren't loved.  There are many possibilities.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 11:30:27 PM
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Will wait for the official investigation.  Even among criminals, pedophiles aren't loved.  There are many possibilities.

Epstein's demise is so important, it is a meme generating its own conspiracy theories ... about conspiracy theories.  Some say he is really at Guantanamo being water boarded for into.  Others say he was secretly released to Tel Aviv in a spy swap.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 01:35:46 AM
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Epstein's demise is so important, it is a meme generating its own conspiracy theories ... about conspiracy theories.  Some say he is really at Guantanamo being water boarded for into.  Others say he was secretly released to Tel Aviv in a spy swap.

Nah, he's dead.  They sent me his brain to disembowel.  It has his name right on it.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 01:50:50 AM
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Nah, he's dead.  They sent me his brain to disembowel.  It has his name right on it.

Gross.  As a bear, I suppose you would eat it.  Prions are not your friend.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 03:55:44 AM
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Gross.  As a bear, I suppose you would eat it.  Prions are not your friend.

No, after I slice it and take pictures, it goes down the groundhog burrow,  I'm trying to chase it out of the yard.  If that doesn't work, I'll try cat pee litter.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 08:20:03 AM
"Guards Were Sleeping During Epstein's Alleged Suicide, Then Falsified Records To Cover It Up" ... typical government operation ;-(
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 09:53:19 AM
If Obama had been president, they would have blamed him for this fiasco. But President Trump gets a pass...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 12:43:56 PM
Reporter: Mr. President, why did you retweet that Bill Clinton is linked to Epstein's suicide?
Trump: Because someone told me...


Reporter: Mr. President, is there any evidence of that?
Trump: Well I heard it...


Reporter: Mr. President, do you believe it yourself?
Trump: Well, someone told me, I heard it, and everybody knows it. You yourself know it. We all know it...


Reporter: Mr. President...
Trump: ...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 02:00:38 PM
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If Obama had been president, they would have blamed him for this fiasco. But President Trump gets a pass...

All Presidents should be blamed for everything, not just Obama.  Except for Ike.  I Like Ike.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 02:56:47 PM
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All Presidents should be blamed for everything, not just Obama.  Except for Ike.  I Like Ike.

Truman on Ike:“He’ll sit here, and he’ll say, ‘Do this! Do that!’ And nothing will happen. Poor Ike—it won’t be a bit like the Army. He’ll find it very frustrating.”
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 14, 2019, 07:40:39 PM
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Truman on Ike:“He’ll sit here, and he’ll say, ‘Do this! Do that!’ And nothing will happen. Poor Ike—it won’t be a bit like the Army. He’ll find it very frustrating.”

I like Truman too.  He knew how to fire a general ;-)

They don't make real Americans anymore.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 14, 2019, 08:15:16 PM
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I like Truman too.  He knew how to fire a general ;-)

They don't make real Americans anymore.

"No real American" must be your version of the fallacy "No True Scotsman"... Your appeal to purity is admirable.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 03:09:19 AM
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"No real American" must be your version of the fallacy "No True Scotsman"... Your appeal to purity is admirable.

Well I am perfectly Jewish in a completely non-kosher way.  All kosher Jews are completely imperfect ;-)
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 03:10:06 AM
"SHRIEKING HEARD FROM EPSTEIN'S CELL AND ONE OF THE "GUARDS" WASNT ACTUALLY A PRISON GUARD??" ... how typical is that?
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 08:02:21 AM
"Epstein Autopsy Finds Evidence He May Have Been Murdered" ... the broken bones in the neck are more common with assault than with strangulation.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 08:04:37 AM
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If Obama had been president, they would have blamed him for this fiasco. But President Trump gets a pass...

The Republicans (looking over their shoulders at Trump) blame Obama anyway.  Trump's nonsense is on their immune list.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 10:40:58 AM
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Well I am perfectly Jewish in a completely non-kosher way.  All kosher Jews are completely imperfect ;-)

So my "self-hating Jew" description of your exotic behavior on this forum wasn't too far off...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 10:49:38 AM
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So my "self-hating Jew" description of your exotic behavior on this forum wasn't too far off...

Baruch is not exactly my best friend.  But I am requesting that you stop engaging in this degree of personal attack.  I am in no way perfect here in that regard, but I think you are going too far.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 11:00:47 AM
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Baruch is not exactly my best friend.  But I am requesting that you stop engaging in this degree of personal attack.  I am in no way perfect here in that regard, but I think you are going too far.

Calm down. It's not a personal attack. Besides I'm married for 47 years to a Jewish woman. Calling out a Jew as self-hating is of the form in her family... almost a term of endearment...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 11:05:44 AM
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Calm down. It's not a personal attack. Besides I'm married for 47 years to a Jewish woman. Calling out a Jew as self-hating is of the form in her family... almost a term of endearment...

Self-denial is never good.  There are some dysfunctional families, after all.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 11:25:05 AM
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Self-denial is never good.  There are some dysfunctional families, after all.
Perhaps a little history: self-hating Jews was used on Jews who disagree with Israel's Zionist policies back in the 1960's or so. But later on, it was used so often, for multiple reasons to the point that it became sort like a joke.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 11:36:02 AM
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Perhaps a little history: self-hating Jews was used on Jews who disagree with Israel's Zionist policies back in the 1960's or so. But later on, it was used so often, for multiple reasons to the point that it became sort like a joke.

In my lifetime, I have seen references to "self hating" by many kinds of people.  In my experience, those have almost always been from people not actually of that group.  Such groups are usually a minority where they live, and have somewhat automatically learned to deflect insults and learned to present a fake smile about them.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 11:40:30 AM
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In my lifetime, I have seen references to "self hating" by many kinds of people.  In my experience, those have almost always been from people not actually of that group.  Such groups are usually a minority where they live, and have somewhat automatically learned to deflect insults and learned to present a fake smile about them.
Agree. But that half of Europe was sold out to Stalin, a crime a thousand fold greater than what you describe, doesn't register a notch in American consciousness reeks of false  indignation.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 12:05:30 PM
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Agree. But that half of Europe was sold out to Stalin, a crime a thousand fold greater than what you describe, doesn't register a notch in American consciousness reeks of false  indignation.

So what part of the US Army do you think would have taken out Stalin.  That's what you are suggesting we should have done, right? 

You might want to consider 'Operation Unthinkable" (look it up).

The other argument is that both sides were worn out that the NATO forces had more airpower but the Soviets had all the ground forces and it would have been a bloodbath.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 12:24:42 PM
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So what part of the US Army do you think would have taken out Stalin.  That's what you are suggesting we should have done, right?
 


If you follow my posts on this, I said, let Stalin and Hitler fight it out, with no help from the Allies. They would have exhausted themselves by the sheer volume of bloody battles. Whoever would have come out a winner - most likely Stalin but in a very much more weak position - the Allies would not have had to accept Stalin getting half of Europe. So, in my estimation, less bloodshed for the Allies as they would have confronted a weaker German army. The only drawback I see  is that the war would have taken more time - perhaps a year or two more for Stalin, on his own, to turn the tide and defeat Hitler.





Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 12:45:33 PM
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If you follow my posts on this, I said, let Stalin and Hitler fight it out, with no help from the Allies. They would have exhausted themselves by the sheer volume of bloody battles. Whoever would have come out a winner - most likely Stalin but in a very much more weak position - the Allies would not have had to accept Stalin getting half of Europe. So, in my estimation, less bloodshed for the Allies as they would have confronted a weaker German army. The only drawback I see  is that the war would have taken more time - perhaps a year or two more for Stalin, on his own, to turn the tide and defeat Hitler.

You keep thinking Hitler and Stalin wanted to fight each other.  They didn't.  Hitler was an idiot.  Stalin could barely hold the Soviet Union together.  All Hitler had to do was leave him alone and invade England.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 01:14:36 PM
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"Guards Were Sleeping During Epstein's Alleged Suicide, Then Falsified Records To Cover It Up" ... typical government operation ;-(


Yeah, like the soldiers guarding the tomb of Jesus were said to have fallen asleep...
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 01:18:10 PM
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Yeah, like the soldiers guarding the tomb of Jesus were said to have fallen asleep...

They wanted him dead.  Not some conspiracy, prisoners and guards just like people like him dead.  Deliberate indifference and permitted opportunity....
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
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If you follow my posts on this, I said, let Stalin and Hitler fight it out, with no help from the Allies. They would have exhausted themselves by the sheer volume of bloody battles. Whoever would have come out a winner - most likely Stalin but in a very much more weak position - the Allies would not have had to accept Stalin getting half of Europe. So, in my estimation, less bloodshed for the Allies as they would have confronted a weaker German army. The only drawback I see  is that the war would have taken more time - perhaps a year or two more for Stalin, on his own, to turn the tide and defeat Hitler.

Or America could've nuked Moscow and Berlin. That would've put a stop to the whole mess. We didn't mind nuking Japan, after all, to "shorten the war." Would've been a hell of a casualty count, though.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 01:34:06 PM
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You keep thinking Hitler and Stalin wanted to fight each other.  They didn't.  Hitler was an idiot.  Stalin could barely hold the Soviet Union together.  All Hitler had to do was leave him alone and invade England.

And so why did Hitler decide to invade Russia in 1941???

The belief in the Ally countries is that invading Russia was an afterthought. Not if you read Hitler's biography, his speeches, and what he was selling to his own party. The real crusade was against communism, and Russia was symbolic of all evil to Hitler. As for England, he admired the Brits because in blood, they were close to Germans. But more importantly, invading England would have left the British empire to other countries, not Germany. He saw no use in invading England. But the Brit propaganda said otherwise. Wouldn't they believe since they were constantly being bombarded? But the record shows that Hitler tried multiple times to seek peace with England. When that failed, after a constant bombardment that failed to get a peace agreement, he then turned to Russia, the golden prize he had promised his troops.

From Hitler on England, read https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WMX6FJW/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=Hitler&qid=1565890207&s=digital-text&sr=1-15 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WMX6FJW/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=Hitler&qid=1565890207&s=digital-text&sr=1-15)


Here is the intro:

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"Hitler's foreign and war policy is one of the most important fields of contemporary history research. So there is no shortage of work on the subject. But it will be a fresh look and no sources used - such as the Goebbels diaries - always to find new points of view, to discover new aspects and gain new insights. The essay presented here seeks to show the hitherto neglected origins of the England picture, which led the programmer Hitler to see an alliance with Great Britain as the centerpiece of National Socialist foreign policy. On such a basis the development can be illuminated, which led the Chancellor Hitler from the courts in England over the contempt of England up to the war with England."
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 01:38:17 PM
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And so why did Hitler decide to invade Russia in 1941???

The belief in the Ally countries is that invading Russia was an afterthought. Not if you read Hitler's biography, his speeches, and what he was selling to his own party. The real crusade was against communism, and Russia was symbolic of all evil to Hitler. As for England, he admired the Brits because in blood, they were close to Germans. But more importantly, invading England would have left the British empire to other countries, not Germany. He saw no use in invading England. But the Brit propaganda said otherwise. Wouldn't they believe since they were constantly being bombarded? But the record shows that Hitler tried multiple times to seek peace with England. When that failed, after a constant bombardment that failed to get a peace agreement, he then turned to Russia, the golden prize he had promised his troops.

From Hitler on England, read https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WMX6FJW/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=Hitler&qid=1565890207&s=digital-text&sr=1-15 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WMX6FJW/ref=sr_1_15?keywords=Hitler&qid=1565890207&s=digital-text&sr=1-15)


Here is the intro:

Like I said, Hitler was an bad general and insisted on proving it.  Most Dictators are.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 01:57:20 PM
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Or America could've nuked Moscow and Berlin. That would've put a stop to the whole mess. We didn't mind nuking Japan, after all, to "shorten the war." Would've been a hell of a casualty count, though.

Here's an interesting tidbit about the nuke. Einstein was alerted by a colleague that Germany had embarked on a program to develop a nuclear bomb. This prompted Einstein to write the famous letter directly to Roosevelt, enough to convince the president to start the Manhattan Project, which in effect produced the first nuke. But the irony of this is that indeed, Germany had started this project but it was in the hands of none other than Heisenberg, of the famous Uncertainty Principle in QM. But after the war, Heisenberg said on record that he deliberately push the research into blind-alleys - he never intended that Hitler would get such a bomb. So all that scare stuff that the US was racing against the clock to build the bomb before Germany was based on some misguided ill-informed dude who made a wrong evaluation of Germany's program.  Consider what history would have been without this blunder!!
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 02:05:18 PM
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Here's an interesting tidbit about the nuke. Einstein was alerted by a colleague that Germany had embarked on a program to develop a nuclear bomb. This prompted Einstein to write the famous letter directly to Roosevelt, enough to convince the president to start the Manhattan Project, which in effect produced the first nuke. But the irony of this is that indeed, Germany had started this project but it was in the hands of none other than Heisenberg, of the famous Uncertainty Principle in QM. But after the war, Heisenberg said on record that he deliberately push the research into blind-alleys - he never intended that Hitler would get such a bomb. So all that scare stuff that the US was racing against the clock to build the bomb before Germany was based on some misguided ill-informed dude who made a wrong evaluation of Germany's program.  Consider what history would have been without this blunder!!

That is an interesting idea that would be helped by some evidence.  Otherwise, it is just a conspiracy theory.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 02:10:19 PM
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That is an interesting idea that would be helped by some evidence.  Otherwise, it is just a conspiracy theory.

It's time for you to get informed on the subject.


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After the war, Heisenberg wrote in Nature that there were simple practical reasons why Germany never embarked on a full-scale bomb programme. Under wartime conditions, it would have been impossible to build the huge industrial infrastructure of the US’s Manhattan Project. But he also wrote that the physicists themselves ‘had consciously striven to keep control of the project’ and avoided work on a bomb, preferring to work on reactors and cyclotrons.[/size]Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13518370-300-heisenbergs-principles-kept-bomb-from-nazis/#ixzz5wh7tYdii (https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg13518370-300-heisenbergs-principles-kept-bomb-from-nazis/#ixzz5wh7tYdii)
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 02:16:04 PM
Yeah, I've read that as well, but some people are skeptical about Heisenberg's claim. I don't know what the consensus is, but I think he was probably stalling the bomb project as much as he could.
Title: Re: Epstein's associates ...
Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 02:17:43 PM
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It's time for you to get informed on the subject.

Individual sabatoge is always a possibility for any failure.  But there  more practical matters.  The Germans didn't have the same access to fissionable materiel, and their facilities were being bombed.  Not just research labs, but railroads.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 02:20:37 PM
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Yeah, I've read that as well, but some people are skeptical about Heisenberg's claim. I don't know what the consensus is, but I think he was probably stalling the bomb project as much as he could.

The fact is that when he was interned in England after the war was over, he described exactly how to build the nuclear bomb, and those in attendance, mostly German physicists, were getting this as new information. IOW, he had never told anyone what he really knew.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 02:21:54 PM
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Individual sabatoge is always a possibility for any failure.  But there  more practical matters.  The Germans didn't have the same access to fissionable materiel, and their facilities were being bombed.  Not just research labs, but railroads.

Me thinks you didn't read the article. Try again.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 02:25:42 PM
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The fact is that when he was interned in England after the war was over, he described exactly how to build the nuclear bomb, and those in attendance, mostly German physicists, were getting this as new information. IOW, he had never told anyone what he really knew.

I think your claim is "plausible".  But I'm saying I would like to see some evidence.  Give a source or link.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 02:44:18 PM
I did.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 02:58:38 PM
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I did.

First, that was 27 years ago, and

Second, I stopped reading NewScientist a decade ago because it was crap (in my personal opinion so they can't sue me).
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 03:04:19 PM
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First, that was 27 years ago, and

Second, I stopped reading NewScientist a decade ago because it was crap (in my personal opinion so they can't sue me).

Are you saying that something printed 27 years ago is no longer valid?

Ok, how about 17 years ago, from Science magazine?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2002/01/heisenbergs-principles-more-certain
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 03:07:28 PM
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Are you saying that something printed 27 years ago is no longer valid?

Ok, how about 17 years ago, from Science magazine?

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2002/01/heisenbergs-principles-more-certain

You should have read the opening paragraph. 

In part:  "And the news isn't good for those who would like to believe that Heisenberg tried to subvert the Nazi atomic bomb effort. Heisenberg told Bohr about the work and expressed no misgivings about participating in it, a British newspaper reports, citing a secret letter from Bohr to Heisenberg."
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 03:12:47 PM
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You should have read the opening paragraph. 

In part:  "And the news isn't good for those who would like to believe that Heisenberg tried to subvert the Nazi atomic bomb effort. Heisenberg told Bohr about the work and expressed no misgivings about participating in it, a British newspaper reports, citing a secret letter from Bohr to Heisenberg."

Oh I see. You read a paragraph. It fits your narrative so you stop reading. Ouch. Hint: Continue reading, the article is more nuanced than just the opening paragraph.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 03:19:48 PM
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Oh I see. You read a paragraph. It fits your narrative so you stop reading. Ouch. Hint: Continue reading, the article is more nuanced than just the opening paragraph.

I did.  Like the part about "After the end of World War II, Heisenberg said that he had tried only [emphasis mine] to ask Bohr, who died in 1962, whether physicists "have the moral right to work on the practical exploitation of atomic energy?" Which was a completely legitimate question but didn't seem to stop any scientists.  And I note that both were long dead when the articles were written.."

Sorry, you lose on this one. 
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 03:29:11 PM
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I did.  Like the part about "After the end of World War II, Heisenberg said that he had tried only [emphasis mine] to ask Bohr, who died in 1962, whether physicists "have the moral right to work on the practical exploitation of atomic energy?" Which was a completely legitimate question but didn't seem to stop any scientists.  And I note that both were long dead when the articles were written.."

Sorry, you lose on this one. 

How is that? The gist of my initial post is that the narrative in the US was to build the bomb before Germany, when in reality, there was no bomb being built in Germany. There is a controversy as to whether Heisenberg deliberately stalled the research or not. But so what? There are a million details that happened in WW2, no one is going to get everything exactly right, especially that there are controversies as in any historical event. But if you don't see the irony in this race to build the bomb, that's fine with me...
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 03:37:18 PM
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How is that? The gist of my initial post is that the narrative in the US was to build the bomb before Germany, when in reality, there was no bomb being built in Germany. There is a controversy as to whether Heisenberg deliberately stalled the research or not. But so what? There are a million details that happened in WW2, no one is going to get everything exactly right, especially that there are controversies as in any historical event. But if you don't see the irony in this race to build the bomb, that's fine with me...

You do realize that people can go back and read older posts. right?  So here is what you said...

"But the irony of this is that indeed, Germany had started this project but it was in the hands of none other than Heisenberg, of the famous Uncertainty Principle in QM. But after the war, Heisenberg said on record that he deliberately push the research into blind-alleys - he never intended that Hitler would get such a bomb."

Don't try that again.  I will never let you get away with lies.  You can be wrong, as we all are sometimes (but try to catch me at one), but DO NOT EVER DELIBERATELY LIE AND TRY TO GET AWAY WITH IT.

Thank you and have a nice day...
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 03:41:46 PM
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You do realize that people can go back and read older posts. right?  So here is what you said...

"But the irony of this is that indeed, Germany had started this project but it was in the hands of none other than Heisenberg, of the famous Uncertainty Principle in QM. But after the war, Heisenberg said on record that he deliberately push the research into blind-alleys - he never intended that Hitler would get such a bomb."

Don't try that again.  I will never let you get away with lies.  You can be wrong, as we all are sometimes (but try to catch me at one), but DO NOT EVER DELIBERATELY LIE AND TRY TO GET AWAY WITH IT.

Thank you and have a nice day...

Where's the lie? Heisenberg did say on record that he tried to stall the research. Now there are historians who are disputing Heisenberg's claim, but how is that me lying?? 
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 03:58:19 PM
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Where's the lie? Heisenberg did say on record that he tried to stall the research. Now there are historians who are disputing Heisenberg's claim, but how is that me lying??

I was quoting you, and showed you were wrong even with the quote you used yourself. 
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:00:40 PM
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I was quoting you, and showed you were wrong even with the quote you used yourself. 

There's no lying, and you know it. So before accusing anyone, think twice.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 15, 2019, 04:14:17 PM
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There's no lying, and you know it. So before accusing anyone, think twice.

I ALWAYS think twice.  The fact is that you made a claim, tried to support it by a link, and I politely demonstrated that your conclusion was wrong with the very quote you offerred.  Then you claimed your own quote was wrong (it seems) and THEN I got annoyed.

You probably expect me to withdraw and apologize after your repeated and unsupported challenges.  Good luck with that. 

I offer my posts to the judgement of the members...
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:25:05 PM
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I ALWAYS think twice.  The fact is that you made a claim, tried to support it by a link, and I politely demonstrated that your conclusion was wrong with the very quote you offerred.  Then you claimed your own quote was wrong (it seems) and THEN I got annoyed.

You probably expect me to withdraw and apologize after your repeated and unsupported challenges.  Good luck with that. 

I offer my posts to the judgement of the members...

Pure bullshit.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:34:52 PM
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There's no lying, and you know it. So before accusing anyone, think twice.

Bow down and worship THE PHYSICS PROFESSOR.  Bwahaha ... worse than Skeletor .  Where is He-Man!

Some atheists have the same psychological profile as Absolute_Agent, the American Muslim.  A meme, because over the last several years, the Left has totally gotten into bed with Salafist Islam, because in Identity Politics, Muslims are considered yet more aggrieved victims to be politicized and absorbed into the Left combine.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:38:55 PM
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I was quoting you, and showed you were wrong even with the quote you used yourself.

Lately, to be fair, Joe has been misreading.  He may need new glasses.
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 04:39:43 PM
Are his glasses half full or half empty?
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:40:37 PM
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Perhaps a little history: self-hating Jews was used on Jews who disagree with Israel's Zionist policies back in the 1960's or so. But later on, it was used so often, for multiple reasons to the point that it became sort like a joke.

Joe projects things that are true, for other people, onto me, because that is all the game he has.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:43:35 PM
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Yeah, like the soldiers guarding the tomb of Jesus were said to have fallen asleep...

In 1st century Judea, the CCTV was turned off, conveniently, same as with this more recent elite crime, never to be punished.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:45:28 PM
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Or America could've nuked Moscow and Berlin. That would've put a stop to the whole mess. We didn't mind nuking Japan, after all, to "shorten the war." Would've been a hell of a casualty count, though.

Jewish scientists, who were not yet American, wanted to nuke the Germans, but not the Japanese.  That was their opposition to the use of the bomb against Japan, not because of humanitarianism, but because of justifiable prejudice.  The Chinese on the other hand, would have preferred to see the Japanese exterminated, for justifiable prejudice.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:48:12 PM
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You keep thinking Hitler and Stalin wanted to fight each other.  They didn't.  Hitler was an idiot.  Stalin could barely hold the Soviet Union together.  All Hitler had to do was leave him alone and invade England.

Stalin wasn't ready.  Finland was a disaster.  And he hadn't recovering from decimating the Red Army officer corp.  With the defeat of France and more or less defeat of Britain, Hitler was ready to invade the Soviet Union.  Still stupid of Hitler to do so.  Opportunity doesn't equal "must do it now".
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:49:12 PM
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Calm down. It's not a personal attack. Besides I'm married for 47 years to a Jewish woman. Calling out a Jew as self-hating is of the form in her family... almost a term of endearment...

There were Nazi officers married to Jewish women too.  Not proof that you aren't nuts.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:51:19 PM
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Perhaps a little history: self-hating Jews was used on Jews who disagree with Israel's Zionist policies back in the 1960's or so. But later on, it was used so often, for multiple reasons to the point that it became sort like a joke.

Wrong.  Much older.  It is part of the internalization of Gentile abuse from 200 CE forward.  And it helped the Rabbis to keep the Laity in line.  Actually modern Israel is a heresy, pushed by the Rothschilds to break up the Ottoman Empire.  Any religious Jew knows that no human being, including a Zionist, can establish a messianic kingdom.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:52:18 PM
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They wanted him dead.  Not some conspiracy, prisoners and guards just like people like him dead.  Deliberate indifference and permitted opportunity....

Regarding Epstein.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:52:40 PM
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There were Nazi officers married to Jewish women too.  Not proof that you aren't nuts.

I don't think those officers were officers for very long. Even if the grandfather on your cousin-in-law's was Jewish, you were barred as an officer. And a good chance you'd end up in a concentration camp.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 04:52:56 PM
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Like I said, Hitler was an bad general and insisted on proving it.  Most Dictators are.

Corporal Hitler.  Genius, like Wile E Coyote.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
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Wrong.  Much older.  It is part of the internalization of Gentile abuse from 200 CE forward.  And it helped the Rabbis to keep the Laity in line.  Actually modern Israel is a heresy, pushed by the Rothschilds to break up the Ottoman Empire.  Any religious Jew knows that no human being, including a Zionist, can establish a messianic kingdom.

My experience is from the 6-day war. Many Jews were appalled by Israel's inclination to grab more land. They were ok with an Israel state, but opposed Israel desire to expand. Their criticism was met with this "self-hating Jew".  Anyway, it's possible the term dates way back...
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Here's an interesting tidbit about the nuke. Einstein was alerted by a colleague that Germany had embarked on a program to develop a nuclear bomb. This prompted Einstein to write the famous letter directly to Roosevelt, enough to convince the president to start the Manhattan Project, which in effect produced the first nuke. But the irony of this is that indeed, Germany had started this project but it was in the hands of none other than Heisenberg, of the famous Uncertainty Principle in QM. But after the war, Heisenberg said on record that he deliberately push the research into blind-alleys - he never intended that Hitler would get such a bomb. So all that scare stuff that the US was racing against the clock to build the bomb before Germany was based on some misguided ill-informed dude who made a wrong evaluation of Germany's program.  Consider what history would have been without this blunder!!

Szilard wrote the letter.  Einstein reviewed it and signed it.  The young Teller was Szilard's driver.  Heisenberg lied, this has been proven.  Like Heiddegar, he wanted to cover his own Nazi sympathies.  What set things back for Germany were two things.  They mismeasured the ability of graphite as a moderator.  The German professor who did this, was never double checked, because Germany ... So they had to rely on heavy water.  And Heisenberg actually developed a prototype-nuclear-reactor in Berlin, like Fermi at Chicago, using enriched uranium and heavy water.  But theoreticians make lousy experimenters.  Heisenberg's reactor had bad stability, and blew up (too much power, eh Tim the Toolman?).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrCc9XfNoBE

He was trying to build a new one in the redoubt in Bavaria.  But the heavy water was cut off by Norwegian partisans.  The Wehrmacht asked Heisenberg about a weapon.  But it would take too much time and too much resources relative to the war effort.  In a Hitler peace, they would have pursued it.  They thought that the V1 and V2 would be sufficient.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K3Ry2K4yNE

The plant was never completely taken out.  The sinking of the ferry in deep water, that had the remaining supplies of heavy water, that did it.  Later investigation of the wreck, showed that it was the correct ferry.  The barrels had heavy water in different degrees of enrichment.

OSS sent an assassin, with the option of assassinating Heisenberg.  The agent decided, based on the conference in Italy where Heisenberg was, that he wasn't smart enough to be a short term threat.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:09:14 PM
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It's time for you to get informed on the subject.

You are a German apologist?  For whatever reason.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:10:01 PM
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Yeah, I've read that as well, but some people are skeptical about Heisenberg's claim. I don't know what the consensus is, but I think he was probably stalling the bomb project as much as he could.

Heisenberg, like Von Braun, was a liar.  They were both pro-Nazi.  Many Germans had reasons to hide their sympathies after the war.  And the US brought the German germ warfare specialist to the US, under Operation Paperclip.  Also helped the Japanese cover up their germ warfare and nuclear research in Korea.  We needed Japan and German on-side, at any cost.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:11:51 PM
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You should have read the opening paragraph. 

In part:  "And the news isn't good for those who would like to believe that Heisenberg tried to subvert the Nazi atomic bomb effort. Heisenberg told Bohr about the work and expressed no misgivings about participating in it, a British newspaper reports, citing a secret letter from Bohr to Heisenberg."

Heisenberg wasn't a mass murderer by intent, no more than Von Braun.  But their work, did or would have led, to mass murder.  They were Nazis and German patriots.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 05:11:57 PM
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Szilard wrote the letter.  Einstein reviewed it and signed it.  The young Teller was Szilard's driver.  Heisenberg lied, this has been proven.  Like Heiddegar, he wanted to cover his own Nazi sympathies.  What set things back for Germany were two things.  They mismeasured the ability of graphic as a moderator.  The German professor who did this, was never double checked, because Germany ... So they had to rely on heavy water.  And Heisenberg actually developed a prototype-nuclear-reactor in Berlin, like Fermi at Chicago, using enriched uranium and heavy water.  But theoreticians make lousy experimenters.  Heisenberg's reactor had bad stability, and blew up (too much power, eh Tim the Toolman?).

He was trying to build a new one in the redoubt in Bavaria.  But the heavy water was cut off by Norwegian partisans.  The Wehrmacht asked Heisenberg about a weapon.  But it would take too much time and too much resources relative to the war effort.  In a Hitler peace, they would have pursued it.

The plant was never completely taken out.  The sinking of the ferry in deep water, that had the remaining supplies of heavy water, that did it.  Later investigation of the wreck, showed that it was the correct ferry.  The barrels had heavy water in different degrees of enrichment.

Perhaps he was caught between two sentiments: help his native country or had qualms in developing such a dangerous thing. We'll never know the real truth. Historians are divided on Heisenberg's claim. What was found after the war - the nuclear reactor - was not in anyway something that could produce a bomb. So on that record, Heisenberg has an alibi, perhaps conveniently.  Now did he not work on the bomb because of his ethics or because he thought it couldn't be done due to lack of time/resource, that's another question.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:12:34 PM
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I did.  Like the part about "After the end of World War II, Heisenberg said that he had tried only [emphasis mine] to ask Bohr, who died in 1962, whether physicists "have the moral right to work on the practical exploitation of atomic energy?" Which was a completely legitimate question but didn't seem to stop any scientists.  And I note that both were long dead when the articles were written.."

Sorry, you lose on this one.

Pacifism didn't stop Oppenheimer either.  And back then, the Communists were our allies.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 05:13:15 PM
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You are a German apologist.  For whatever reason.

German apologist, yesterday a communist, what else am I, since you know better than me...
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:13:30 PM
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Pure bullshit.

Keep denying, Agent Joe.  The Allies will never stop Der Fatherland.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:14:23 PM
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Are his glasses half full or half empty?

If bifocals, then no problem ;-)
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:17:10 PM
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I don't think those officers were officers for very long. Even if the grandfather on your cousin-in-law's was Jewish, you were barred as an officer. And a good chance you'd end up in a concentration camp.

You have nothing but the prejudice you road to town in on.

https://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Officers-Wife-Survived-Holocaust/dp/0062378082/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Jewish+women+married+to+nazis&qid=1565903784&s=gateway&sr=8-1

An elite crime (to marry a Jew), to not be punished.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:18:14 PM
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My experience is from the 6-day war. Many Jews were appalled by Israel's inclination to grab more land. They were ok with an Israel state, but opposed Israel desire to expand. Their criticism was met with this "self-hating Jew".  Anyway, it's possible the term dates way back...

That is just one sub group, at one point in time.  There is probably some Jewish woman in Tel Aviv right now, eating pork.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 05:19:56 PM
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You have nothing but the prejudice you road to town in on.

https://www.amazon.com/Nazi-Officers-Wife-Survived-Holocaust/dp/0062378082/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Jewish+women+married+to+nazis&qid=1565903784&s=gateway&sr=8-1

An elite crime (to marry a Jew), to not be punished.

That's an exceptional case.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 05:22:41 PM
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That is just one sub group, at one point in time.  There is probably some Jewish woman in Tel Aviv right now, eating pork.
I know this friend of my wife who was once a party-goer. In her later age, she turned very religious. But one thing she couldn't let go was her bacon
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That's an exceptional case.

proves the rule
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:24:25 PM
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Perhaps he was caught between two sentiments: help his native country or had qualms in developing such a dangerous thing. We'll never know the real truth. Historians are divided on Heisenberg's claim. What was found after the war - the nuclear reactor - was not in anyway something that could produce a bomb. So on that record, Heisenberg has an alibi, perhaps conveniently.  Now did he not work on the bomb because of his ethics or because he thought it couldn't be done due to lack of time/resource, that's another question.

And Hitler should be excused, because he loved his mother, and protected the Jewish doctor that tried to cure her cancer.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:25:53 PM
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German apologist, yesterday a communist, what else am I, since you know better than me...

You are a very confused person.  Same as everyone else ;-)  The mind is a community of competing, cooperating personalities.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 05:28:48 PM
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And Hitler should be excused, because he loved his mother, and protected the Jewish doctor that tried to cure her cancer.

I don't think you can put Heisenberg on the same level as Hitler. The rumors are that when he met Bohr, he told him of the nuclear program, and Bohr flew to England, and the word got around eventually to Einstein, so if that is true, some good came out from him.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 05:31:26 PM
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You are a very confused person.  Same as everyone else ;-)  The mind is a community of competing, cooperating personalities.

...coming from the guy who contradicts himself every turd post...if you are confused by my posts, it's your problem, not mine...
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:32:12 PM
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I don't think you can put Heisenberg on the same level as Hitler. The rumors are that when he met Bohr, he told him of the nuclear program, and Bohr flew to England, and the word got around eventually to Einstein, so if that is true, some good came out from him.

Agreed.  Heisenberg was a more decent man.  Almost every other German was.  Yes, Bohr and Heisenberg had a coded talk, after Denmark was occupied.  He outlined his Berlin nuclear reactor, and implied that explosion was possible.  In his case, the only explosion was the unstable Berlin reactor.
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Post by: Baruch on August 15, 2019, 05:33:09 PM
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...coming from the guy who contradicts himself every turd post...if you are confused by my posts, it's your problem, not mine...

I am legion.  We are all in discipline together, under the praefectus legatus.
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 15, 2019, 05:40:54 PM
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And Hitler should be excused, because he loved his mother, and protected the Jewish doctor that tried to cure her cancer.

And sHitler made the trains run on time...
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 15, 2019, 06:06:55 PM
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And sHitler made the trains run on time...

He had big ideas, like ruling the world...
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Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 01:27:13 AM
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He had big ideas, like ruling the world...

Everyone wants that, but tool lazy to do it.  So we hire governments to do it for us.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 16, 2019, 07:49:21 AM
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Everyone wants that, but tool lazy to do it.  So we hire governments to do it for us.

Power by proxy... won't work for a lot people...Oh wait, it doesn't work for a lot of people...
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 16, 2019, 01:39:16 PM
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Everyone wants that, but tool lazy to do it.  So we hire governments to do it for us.

If Pinky and the Brain couldn't take over the world, then no one can do it!


LOL
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 16, 2019, 03:56:21 PM
So questions: Who recruited these girls? Who trained them? Who scouted for clients? How come Trump is not involved?
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Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
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Power by proxy... won't work for a lot people...Oh wait, it doesn't work for a lot of people...

Not my fault that people are in a paradox.  And there is no pleasing anyone anyway.
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Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 05:35:42 PM
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So questions: Who recruited these girls? Who trained them? Who scouted for clients? How come Trump is not involved?

There is the owner.  Then the owner of the owner.  And then the owner of the owner of the owner.  It all goes back to Pope Alexander (of the Borgias).  All the satyrs we have now are probably his "demonic" descendants.  Pope Alexander never met a nun he didn't like?
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 16, 2019, 06:33:11 PM
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There is the owner.  Then the owner of the owner.  And then the owner of the owner of the owner.  It all goes back to Pope Alexander (of the Borgias).  All the satyrs we have now are probably his "demonic" descendants.  Pope Alexander never met a nun he didn't like?

You never fail to show your anti-Catholicism...But the anti-pope is no better.
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Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 08:09:49 PM
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You never fail to show your anti-Catholicism...But the anti-pope is no better.

Catholic Church is a bigger target than the Apostolic Church of S India.
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Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 06:16:33 AM
"'I Can't Explain Any Of This Over The Phone': Epstein's Bodyguard Freaks Out, Demands Reporter Drop Story" ... also NYC is refusing to cooperate with the DoJ on the inquest coming from Washington DC.  Local coroner already made his determination (and his family is now safe).
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 17, 2019, 08:54:11 AM
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Catholic Church is a bigger target than the Apostolic Church of S India.

But they more beautiful church...
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Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
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But they more beautiful church...

That is a paradox.  Is the beauty of a church the spirit of the place, or the architecture, or both?
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Post by: aileron on August 17, 2019, 11:09:33 AM
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That is a paradox.  Is the beauty of a church the spirit of the place, or the architecture, or both?

They're beautiful now, but when being constructed were just another gift of oppression. When the average European lived in squalor, it was downright criminal to pour vast economic resources into building preview condo units for heaven.
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Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 11:56:28 AM
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They're beautiful now, but when being constructed were just another gift of oppression. When the average European lived in squalor, it was downright criminal to pour vast economic resources into building preview condo units for heaven.

Public works projects.  But sanitation wasn't understood until 1850 in London.  Shame, but they didn't know about microbial life.  Jewish people did know about kosher.  So yes, is a completely different universe, even with primitive means, public works for public health would have been damn clever.

Castle building was the other big pre-modern activity.  A waste, if you are pacifist.  But then the peasants are supposed to be unarmed, and non-combatant, just as a source of agriculture pillage to feed the armies.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 17, 2019, 12:52:39 PM
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That is a paradox.  Is the beauty of a church the spirit of the place, or the architecture, or both?
Same as the pyramids along the Nile: Awesome in their construction, stupid as to why they were built.
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Post by: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 11:27:43 PM
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Same as the pyramids along the Nile: Awesome in their construction, stupid as to why they were built.

Philistine of you folks.  Were you there fighting against Rameses III, to establish the Sea People's Commune?
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 09:30:24 AM
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Philistine of you folks.  Were you there fighting against Rameses III, to establish the Sea People's Commune?

Another tyrant. Like Trump, reigned with the fear that, "we're being invaded", blah, blah, blah... also brought economic turmoil, like Trump.
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Post by: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 11:09:13 AM
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Another tyrant. Like Trump, reigned with the fear that, "we're being invaded", blah, blah, blah... also brought economic turmoil, like Trump.

No pyramid for you.  You remind me of that Apiru prophet from the Sinai ...
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 11:55:30 AM
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No pyramid for you.  You remind me of that Apiru prophet from the Sinai ...

Another Jewish conspiracy.
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Post by: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 02:13:53 PM
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Another Jewish conspiracy.

All of them are Jewish, the conspiracies.  Going back to Abraham.
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Post by: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 02:15:09 PM
Before Epstein died, cement mixers went to his sex island, and dumped concrete into the underground part of the complex.  But the FBI never bothered to secure that crime scene.  FBI was Deep State didn't end with J Edgar.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 02:38:07 PM
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All of them are Jewish, the conspiracies.  Going back to Abraham.

Well it's started with their god, the one that starts with y.... It's no accident that his chosen people are paranoid.
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 18, 2019, 05:34:50 PM
Well, they're told often enough in their book to fear God. But they're also told to love God, and yet 1 John 4:18 says

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There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

So how can they love God and fear him at the same time?
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Post by: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 08:38:44 PM
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Well, they're told often enough in their book to fear God. But they're also told to love God, and yet 1 John 4:18 says

So how can they love God and fear him at the same time?

If your Dad beat the crap out of you every day for 4000 years, you just might be a bit jumpy ;-(  Remember Proverbs.  Spare the rod, spoil the child.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 05:22:53 AM
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Before Epstein died, cement mixers went to his sex island, and dumped concrete into the underground part of the complex.  But the FBI never bothered to secure that crime scene.  FBI was Deep State didn't end with J Edgar.

Where did you get that info? On sputnik.news? Is it another of your wild conspiracy theory?
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Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 10:24:35 AM
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Where did you get that info? On sputnik.news? Is it another of your wild conspiracy theory?

For you and Cavebear, if it isn't CNN/Washington Post ... it didn't happen.  I give enough text clues, that with Google, the report, or rumor, can be found.  But you don't have to play the scavenger news game.  You can be the groundhog and go back underground in Springtime.

I try to only post headlines/text from actual reports, not rumors.  But I fail.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 10:28:02 AM
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For you and Cavebear, if it isn't CNN/Washington Post ... it didn't happen.  I give enough text clues, that with Google, the report, or rumor, can be found.  But you don't have to play the scavenger news game.  You can be the groundhog and go back underground in Springtime.

I try to only post headlines/text from actual reports, not rumors.  But I fail.

It's not a question of CNN/Washington Post, but a question of verifiability. Too many tabloids don't verify, and guys like you who crave for conspiracy theories go for that shit.
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Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 10:34:41 AM
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It's not a question of CNN/Washington Post, but a question of verifiability. Too many tabloids don't verify, and guys like you who crave for conspiracy theories go for that shit.

JFK assassination.  Please verity ;-))  Yes, there are tabloids.  But the MSM isn't the 5th estate, not since Goebbels.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 10:46:54 AM
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JFK assassination.  Please verity ;-))

What for?!? If there was a conspiracy, it doesn't matter as most likely those people allegedly involved are dead. It won't change my life, or yours... You can find a thousand incidents in WW2, which are controversial and will never know the truth. That won't stop me from sleeping at night.

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Yes, there are tabloids.  But the MSM isn't the 5th estate, not since Goebbels.
Nevertheless, no one can be everywhere. We still dependent on someone else reporting.
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Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 01:18:13 PM
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What for?!? If there was a conspiracy, it doesn't matter as most likely those people allegedly involved are dead. It won't change my life, or yours... You can find a thousand incidents in WW2, which are controversial and will never know the truth. That won't stop me from sleeping at night.

Nevertheless, no one can be everywhere. We still dependent on someone else reporting.

Good you don't lose any sleep.  Neither do I.  But I realize I am dealing every day with used political salesmen.

Yes, we are dependent, on many levels.  But news is just entertainment.  Being an informed voter is simply to be a well read fool.
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 01:55:26 PM
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Being an informed voter is simply to be a well read fool.

I guess ignorance is your ally. Now you sound like a typical theist: never mind the facts or lack of it, you know in your heart of heart that God exists.
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Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 03:15:16 PM
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I guess ignorance is your ally. Now you sound like a typical theist: never mind the facts or lack of it, you know in your heart of heart that God exists.

Off topic.
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 19, 2019, 03:20:43 PM
You're accusing someone of going off topic!? What a laugh!
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Post by: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 03:29:36 PM
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Off topic.

Pot... kettle...
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Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 09:07:37 PM
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You're accusing someone of going off topic!? What a laugh!

Yes, Epstein is all about theism.  Not.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 02:32:07 AM
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Lately, to be fair, Joe has been misreading.  He may need new glasses.

Everyone has bad days.  Joe has been having many.  I love the analogy about glasses.  Gives a kind explanation of being wrong.
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Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 10:03:34 AM
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Everyone has bad days.  Joe has been having many.  I love the analogy about glasses.  Gives a kind explanation of being wrong.

Don't you have many problems with reading yourself, eye problems?
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Post by: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 09:18:52 PM
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Don't you have many problems with reading yourself, eye problems?

I can see a hummerbird 200 feet away at the feeder and 2' close.  I watch bees at the flowers from 50'.  I have no great problems.  I can't see details 6" away though.  I'm wearing reading glasses to type this.

But I'd rather be far-sighted than near-sighted. 
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Post by: Baruch on August 21, 2019, 01:12:52 AM
"Epstein's Former Cellmate Begs Judge For Transfer To Another Jail" ... shouldn't accept a transfer to Little Rock ...
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Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2019, 12:02:16 PM
"Grand Jury Subpoenas Issued For Up To 20 Officers At NYC Prison Where Epstein Died" ... this coverup is developing faster than Comey finding Hillary's email server wasn't a felony.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 04:24:14 AM
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"Grand Jury Subpoenas Issued For Up To 20 Officers At NYC Prison Where Epstein Died" ... this coverup is developing faster than Comey finding Hillary's email server wasn't a felony.

Good riddance to Epstein.  Meaningless to the world.
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Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 08:59:16 AM
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Good riddance to Epstein.  Meaningless to the world.

Too early.  Did you visit Pleasure Island?  Oh yes, you are a libertine who thinks that no sex activity is illegal.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 09:19:08 AM
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Too early.  Did you visit Pleasure Island?  Oh yes, you are a libertine who thinks that no sex activity is illegal.

What part of pedophilia would you not be misunderstanding about Epstein?
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Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 11:34:56 AM
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What part of pedophilia would you not be misunderstanding about Epstein?

Well, not you, but it was debated here a few years back, what the age of consent should be.  And of course it is always debated "did she consent".

So yes, it is possible for some to claim, he did nothing wrong.  Just afoul of disgruntled sex worker employees.

I always consider .. alternative POV .. and Qui Bono.  Like an investigative reporter, not a gullible citizen.
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 24, 2019, 01:27:41 PM
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Good riddance to Epstein.  Meaningless to the world.

I think it was Mark Twain (or maybe Clarence Darrow (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/05/05/darrow-obituary/)) who said "I Have Never Killed Any One, But I Have Read Some Obituary Notices with Great Satisfaction."
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Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 04:07:54 PM
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I think it was Mark Twain (or maybe Clarence Darrow (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/05/05/darrow-obituary/)) who said "I Have Never Killed Any One, But I Have Read Some Obituary Notices with Great Satisfaction."

Mark Twain ... just saw that today, coincidence?
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Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 04:51:52 PM
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I think it was Mark Twain (or maybe Clarence Darrow (https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/05/05/darrow-obituary/)) who said "I Have Never Killed Any One, But I Have Read Some Obituary Notices with Great Satisfaction."

I don't recall the source, but your post made me think of (from memory) there are other obituaries I would rather have read.
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Post by: Baruch on September 10, 2019, 03:15:33 AM
4-part series on how American and Israeli mafia run everything, and why Epstein had to die (as well as other people falsely diagnosed as suicides in the past).

https://www.mintpressnews.com/genesis-jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-relationship/261455/

https://www.mintpressnews.com/category/epstein-investigation/

There is no such thing as democracy ... there is organized crime vs unorganized crime.

The deep connection between Bush family, Clinton family, CIA, Mossad, Rothschilds.
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Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2019, 02:53:02 AM
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4-part series on how American and Israeli mafia run everything, and why Epstein had to die (as well as other people falsely diagnosed as suicides in the past).

https://www.mintpressnews.com/genesis-jeffrey-epstein-bill-clinton-relationship/261455/

https://www.mintpressnews.com/category/epstein-investigation/

There is no such thing as democracy ... there is organized crime vs unorganized crime.

The deep connection between Bush family, Clinton family, CIA, Mossad, Rothschilds.

Your srather conspiracy-minded theories aside, I don't realy care much how Epstein died.  Self-inflicted or other-inflicted.

I vaguely care in the sense that no one should be killed illegally, but he sure isn't the poster boy for someone deserving a long life.

That said, I wish he had languished in prison for a long life of misery sufferring the loss of all the enjoyments he thought he deserved just by his mere existence.
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Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2019, 06:34:54 AM
His employees haven't been assassinated yet.  But don't worry, like the Las Vegas massacre, I assume the CIA has the "cleanup" well in hand.
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Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2019, 07:42:22 AM
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His employees haven't been assassinated yet.  But don't worry, like the Las Vegas massacre, I assume the CIA has the "cleanup" well in hand.

You WOULD think that.
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Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2019, 09:05:55 AM
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You WOULD think that.

Yes, after you see the 1000+ CIA connected plot (it is what they are paid to do) ... a pattern emerges ;-)
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Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
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Yes, after you see the 1000+ CIA connected plot (it is what they are paid to do) ... a pattern emerges ;-)

Ah the "pattern".  You live on conspiracy theories.  I wish you wouldn't.  There is more to you than just that.
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Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
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Ah the "pattern".  You live on conspiracy theories.  I wish you wouldn't.  There is more to you than just that.

The CIA loves you.  Believe whatever NYT says (a CIA outlet).  The CIA doesn't exist ... the hypnotist drones on ...
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Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2019, 03:28:40 PM
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The CIA loves you.  Believe whatever NYT says (a CIA outlet).  The CIA doesn't exist ... the hypnotist drones on ...

Dream on protected in your aluminum hat, safe from CIA ... 
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Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2019, 04:17:38 PM
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Dream on protected in your aluminum hat, safe from CIA ...

I have had XXX as a customer.  I approve of all the illegal things they do.
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Post by: Cavebear on September 11, 2019, 06:59:36 PM
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I have had XXX as a customer.  I approve of all the illegal things they do.

Yeah, I questioned a telephone site we were paying for once.  When I conviinced the guy I was serious ( I cut off his phone service temporarily) he admitted to being "across the river".  When it occurred to me to ask what side of the river he was on, he said "it doesn't matter". 
 
Oops...

I got a satelite once too.   That's when I learned about shredders LOL!
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Post by: Baruch on September 11, 2019, 08:43:14 PM
CIA does a cleanup ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE3yZXQQnPo

CIA is evil, just like the US.
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Post by: Cavebear on September 15, 2019, 12:39:05 AM
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CIA does a cleanup ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE3yZXQQnPo

CIA is evil, just like the US.

You equate a fictonal movie with the US?
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Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2019, 07:17:15 AM
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You equate a fictonal movie with the US?

The US is a fiction.  All of politics is fantasy in democracy that doesn't exist, a free lunch that doesn't exist, law & order that doesn't exist.
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Post by: Unbeliever on September 15, 2019, 05:40:59 PM
This is what makse you a futilitarian. I'm a pessimist myself, though, so I consider your sense of futility to be not necessarily inaccurate. You just interject nonsense sometimes that seems inappropriate, but I doubt propriety often enters your head. But I can usually tell at a glance whether a post of yours is worth spending time to read, so I miss most of the nonsense.
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Post by: Baruch on September 15, 2019, 09:45:23 PM
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This is what makse you a futilitarian. I'm a pessimist myself, though, so I consider your sense of futility to be not necessarily inaccurate. You just interject nonsense sometimes that seems inappropriate, but I doubt propriety often enters your head. But I can usually tell at a glance whether a post of yours is worth spending time to read, so I miss most of the nonsense.

Filter, filter ... you aren't the only one here.  It might not be for you.  Unless it is.

Since psychopathy is de rigueur here, I can't see why I should be any different.
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Post by: Baruch on October 04, 2019, 07:10:11 PM
"Jeffrey Epstein Made $200 Million After His Pedophilia Became Public Knowledge" ... will some virtue signaling liberals explain to me how this could happen, under their watch?
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Post by: Baruch on October 30, 2019, 01:11:13 PM
""Jeffrey Epstein Was Strangulated", Famous Forensic Expert Says" .... duh.  The government simply engages in complete and open bullshit.  The people are .... sheep.