https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmVuYZB3VwE
https://www.theepochtimes.com/antifa-members-assault-journalist-known-for-exposing-groups-violence_2984149.html
The guy is pretty unbias when it comes to showing up the problems of the far right, but draws up the fact far left groups like antifa are not being called into question or arrested for their violence, before they attack him.
This really goes in line with what pisses me off so much these days. Fact is the far right is so easy to spot in whatever extreme political discord they have today, yet even though they exist as much as their counterparts, the far left aren't documented by authorities, as the guy demonstrated. Infact some papers tried to spin this as if he was a far right journalist himself, guessing because the papers in question support antifa?
Far right - tools of the Dark State
Far left - tools of the Dark State
The Dark State will arrest as it suits their current "chaos theory" narrative.
Matt Christiansen has a newscast of the event and aftermath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3d55eep-wk
Quote from: Sal1981 on July 04, 2019, 11:29:38 AM
Matt Christiansen has a newscast of the event and aftermath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3d55eep-wk
the media have tried to twist about this journalist as being a right winger, as a means of scapegoating away from the real issue of the violent attack made against him.
what antifa are doing is no different then what westboro baptist church have done to solders funerals, just as insane and messed up in its rhetoric, except the fact WBC hasn't resulted to violence to stage their anti-american anti-lgbt protests, while antifa are.
And its either those on the left are trying to twist this around in a way of saying 'well those standing against antifa were asking for it' or just trying to brush this off like its not part of their side, best not mention it, maybe it'll just blow over that way.
Quote from: Baruch on July 01, 2019, 11:53:45 PM
Far right - tools of the Dark State
Far left - tools of the Dark State
The Dark State will arrest as it suits their current "chaos theory" narrative.
Extremists on either side are a problem. But they aren't equally "dark state". The "dark state" is mostly a far right imagining.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 01:47:14 PM
Extremists on either side are a problem. But they aren't equally "dark state". The "dark state" is mostly a far right imagining.
Yes, as pacifists, the Left are afraid of guns. The Dark State does have guns.
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 02:09:42 PM
Yes, as pacifists, the Left are afraid of guns. The Dark State does have guns.
You crack me up sometimes. Yeah, I'm "progressive" but mostly vote "liberal" (lack of good choices). But you assume I'm anti-gun and anti-weaponry. I have guns. Anyone who shows up inside my house unexpected had better be ready to die. And I have swords, too. Quiet has value.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 02:24:00 PM
You crack me up sometimes. Yeah, I'm "progressive" but mostly vote "liberal" (lack of good choices). But you assume I'm anti-gun and anti-weaponry. I have guns. Anyone who shows up inside my house unexpected had better be ready to die. And I have swords, too. Quiet has value.
Not the only one here like that. And yes, you aren't very liberal. Too old, too male, too white, too straight.
Quote from: Baruch on July 13, 2019, 02:32:04 PM
Not the only one here like that. And yes, you aren't very liberal. Too old, too male, too white, too straight.
Group-shaming are we? I imagine a future where we are all tannish, where gender-love-choice doesn't matter much, and (sorry got interrupted by a phone call) old is just a state of mind...
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 03:23:30 PM
Group-shaming are we? I imagine a future where we are all tannish, where gender-love-choice doesn't matter much, and (sorry got interrupted by a phone call) old is just a state of mind...
Yes, and Wakanda is real.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 02:24:00 PM
You crack me up sometimes. Yeah, I'm "progressive" but mostly vote "liberal" (lack of good choices). But you assume I'm anti-gun and anti-weaponry. I have guns. Anyone who shows up inside my house unexpected had better be ready to die. And I have swords, too. Quiet has value.
Well, why do you vote then? If the choices between Dems and repubs are always bad why bother? I gave up voting here since labour and conservs are equally awful and not worth me voting on any.
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 03:23:30 PM
Group-shaming are we? I imagine a future where we are all tannish, where gender-love-choice doesn't matter much, and (sorry got interrupted by a phone call) old is just a state of mind...
I'm kinda sure old is a state of if you can hold your bladder or not
Quote from: Munch on July 13, 2019, 04:40:36 PM
Well, why do you vote then? If the choices between Dems and repubs are always bad why bother? I gave up voting here since labour and conservs are equally awful and not worth me voting on any.
There is always SOME difference. Even if it is for the "least bad", there is a difference. But it is usually more than that.
I do understand what you mean. In 1980, I could not bear Carter again as President (though I admired him personally other than being a rabid theist) and thought that Reagan was a idiot. I had supported John Anderson. But the voting line was about 4 hours long. I went home in sadness.
Quote from: Munch on July 13, 2019, 04:42:15 PM
I'm kinda sure old is a state of if you can hold your bladder or not
Once an hour all night is not a state of mind... :(
Quote from: Cavebear on July 13, 2019, 04:50:20 PM
Once an hour all night is not a state of mind... :(
My mother has the same issue, she understands what you have to deal with.
Quote from: Munch on July 13, 2019, 04:55:20 PM
My mother has the same issue, she understands what you have to deal with.
As old Hamlet said lying in bed, "To pee or not to pee, that is the question"...
It is "strange" that the news media would cover for their footsoldiers, isn't it?
Quote from: Morgoth_Ascending on August 09, 2019, 06:32:52 PM
It is "strange" that the news media would cover for their footsoldiers, isn't it?
The only foot soldiers they support, are the Left ones. This guy was in an out group. If he had been a CNN regular TV personality, the attack would have a stronger reaction.
QuoteThis really goes in line with what pisses me off so much these days. Fact is the far right is so easy to spot in whatever extreme political discord they have today, yet even though they exist as much as their counterparts, the far left aren't documented by authorities, as the guy demonstrated.
More bothsideism. Not buying it.
Quote from: aileron on August 10, 2019, 12:37:52 AM
More bothsideism. Not buying it.
Of course every side is different. But none of them are virtuous. Opposing bandits, merely means you are competing bandits.
Quote from: Baruch on August 10, 2019, 04:42:28 AM
Of course every side is different. But none of them are virtuous. Opposing bandits, merely means you are competing bandits.
Yeah... All politicians are corrupt hypocrites. Ghandi and Mandella were politicians and their corruption and hypocrisy are on full display for history. By your hypothesis that makes them competing bandits. They were competing in banditry with Stalin and Hitler.
Your hypothesis fails.
Quote from: aileron on August 10, 2019, 06:14:34 PM
Yeah... All politicians are corrupt hypocrites. Ghandi and Mandella were politicians and their corruption and hypocrisy are on full display for history. By your hypothesis that makes them competing bandits. They were competing in banditry with Stalin and Hitler.
Your hypothesis fails.
You prefer one kind of bandit over another ... "We don't need no stinkin' badges" is my favorite kind.
So, my army lines up against your army, and they commence to fightin' ... trial by combat.
Quote from: aileron on August 10, 2019, 12:37:52 AM
More bothsideism. Not buying it.
Quote
This really goes in line with what pisses me off so much these days. Fact is the far right is so easy to spot in whatever extreme political discord they have today, yet even though they exist as much as their counterparts, the far left aren't documented by authorities, as the guy demonstrated.
More bothsideism. Not buying it.
You quoted someone above without attributing it. Please do not do that again.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 04:02:54 AM
Quote
This really goes in line with what pisses me off so much these days. Fact is the far right is so easy to spot in whatever extreme political discord they have today, yet even though they exist as much as their counterparts, the far left aren't documented by authorities, as the guy demonstrated.
More bothsideism. Not buying it.
You quoted someone above without attributing it. Please do not do that again.
Well, restating what has been said before. I am a saint. You are a sinner. And the always popular ... I reject any evidence you have, by prejudicially keeping out evidence I don't like.
Quote from: Baruch on August 12, 2019, 06:32:45 AM
Well, restating what has been said before. I am a saint. You are a sinner. And the always popular ... I reject any evidence you have, by prejudicially keeping out evidence I don't like.
Atheists cannot "sin". Sin is a religious idea. Theists have some weird idea that atheists are just some sort of "other" religion. I've never understood that. As some of us like to say "as if bald is a hair color"...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 12, 2019, 04:02:54 AM
Quote
This really goes in line with what pisses me off so much these days. Fact is the far right is so easy to spot in whatever extreme political discord they have today, yet even though they exist as much as their counterparts, the far left aren't documented by authorities, as the guy demonstrated.
More bothsideism. Not buying it.
You quoted someone above without attributing it. Please do not do that again.
You are blind to the Lenins in your shorts.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 13, 2019, 04:09:22 AM
Atheists cannot "sin". Sin is a religious idea. Theists have some weird idea that atheists are just some sort of "other" religion. I've never understood that. As some of us like to say "as if bald is a hair color"...
No. But like all humans, we are only good for mulch. No, y'all aren't another religion. Just extreme psychopaths.
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 06:06:50 AM
No, y'all aren't another religion. Just extreme psychopaths.
Yes, SAINT HITLER. Don't worry the pope will eventually canonize you.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 13, 2019, 06:44:36 AM
Yes, SAINT HITLER. Don't worry the pope will eventually canonize you.
The Vatican wanted Mussolini. Did the initial deal with him. But Mussolini stubbed his toe in Ethiopia and Albania. Hitler was the backup team, but as a golem, he ran out of control (not as good a Catholic as Mussolini ... there can only be one Il Duce).
Quote from: Baruch on August 13, 2019, 10:24:13 AM
The Vatican wanted Mussolini. Did the initial deal with him. But Mussolini stubbed his toe in Ethiopia and Albania. Hitler was the backup team, but as a golem, he ran out of control (not as good a Catholic as Mussolini ... there can only be one Il Duce).
Oh gosh no, you can actually have 4 deuces, and doesn't THAT blow their minds when you lay the hand down. Like whoever goes for 4 DEUCES in draw poker, Right?
Friendly reminder that although Antifa is a violent left-wing group, they are still less dangerous and far less numerous than their right wing counterparts. Criticize as appropriate, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking they're on equal levels.
Okay? We good? This isn't going to turn into another "bOtH sIdEs" thread, yes? Great, please continue.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 16, 2019, 08:38:22 PM
Friendly reminder that although Antifa is a violent left-wing group, they are still less dangerous and far less numerous than their right wing counterparts. Criticize as appropriate, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking they're on equal levels.
Okay? We good? This isn't going to turn into another "bOtH sIdEs" thread, yes? Great, please continue.
1. Skin Head White gangs created in prisons
2. Muslim Black gangs created in prisons
3. Hispanic gangs created in prisons
Make everything legal, empty the prisons. If you identify with anti-Fa is fine. You need to join a militia, and get gun training. Otherwise you will be Bob's Bitch.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on August 16, 2019, 08:38:22 PM
Friendly reminder that although Antifa is a violent left-wing group, they are still less dangerous and far less numerous than their right wing counterparts. Criticize as appropriate, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking they're on equal levels.
Okay? We good? This isn't going to turn into another "bOtH sIdEs" thread, yes? Great, please continue.
Right wing terrorism accounted for approximately 100% of the deaths due to terrorism in the USA last year, so yeah, not a fan of the bothsideism either.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
Quote from: aileron on August 16, 2019, 09:10:51 PM
Right wing terrorism accounted for approximately 100% of the deaths due to terrorism in the USA last year, so yeah, not a fan of the bothsideism either.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
Arm up, fight and die. Or don't survive. There are no "united" states ;-) BTW - the military and police are Right wing in the US.
Quote from: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Arm up, fight and die. Or don't survive. There are no "united" states ;-) BTW - the military and police are Right wing in the US.
As a former military officer, I saw much more libertarianism (lowercase l, not the batshit insane Libertarian Party) than right wingery.
Quote from: aileron on August 16, 2019, 09:14:17 PM
As a former military officer, I saw much more libertarianism (lowercase l, not the batshit insane Libertarian Party) than right wingery.
Relative spectrum. I have been around the military the last 22 years. They aren't Nazis. But they aren't anti-Fa either. Patriots, not liberals (as in anti-American).
Sunday is another potential rally day for the militant communists, in Portland.
BTW - libertarian is the most racist position ;-) So is white milk. Chocolate milk should be mandated.
Quote from: aileron on August 16, 2019, 09:10:51 PM
Right wing terrorism accounted for approximately 100% of the deaths due to terrorism in the USA last year, so yeah, not a fan of the bothsideism either.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/homegrown-terrorists-2018-were-almost-all-right-wing/581284/
Yep. The FBI has even been warning us since the Obama administration (and it's skyrocketed under Trump) that white supremacy, right-wing terrorists are overwhelmingly the biggest threat to American safety in terms of terrorist threats.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 17, 2019, 01:30:54 AM
Yep. The FBI has even been warning us since the Obama administration (and it's skyrocketed under Trump) that white supremacy, right-wing terrorists are overwhelmingly the biggest threat to American safety in terms of terrorist threats.
Kill all White males ... as a precautionary measure? Sorry, Obama's admin isn't something I would rely on for advice. Traitors, all of them?
There was White terrorism in the 1990s. OKC for one. Black Panthers etc were in the 60s. But how many people died in Yemen this past week? The US government is the greatest terrorist organization on Earth? The US military is the instrument of that terrorism?
Quote from: Baruch on August 16, 2019, 09:16:15 PM
Relative spectrum. I have been around the military the last 22 years. They aren't Nazis. But they aren't anti-Fa either. Patriots, not liberals (as in anti-American).
Two posts down, you again
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 05:35:20 AM
The US government is the greatest terrorist organization on Earth? The US military is the instrument of that terrorism?
It seems like shit is coming out from both ends. What did you eat lately?
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 05:35:20 AM
Kill all White males ... as a precautionary measure? Sorry, Obama's admin isn't something I would rely on for advice. Traitors, all of them?
There was White terrorism in the 1990s. OKC for one. Black Panthers etc were in the 60s. But how many people died in Yemen this past week? The US government is the greatest terrorist organization on Earth? The US military is the instrument of that terrorism?
If you think your schtick is clever and funny or even mildly amusing, it's not.
Quote from: aileron on August 17, 2019, 10:20:23 AM
If you think your schtick is clever and funny or even mildly amusing, it's not.
I don't live for my fans, or critics either. I post for my own amusement.
So, a libertarian today is a Democrat? Didn't think so.
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
I post for my own amusement.
Stop or you'll go blind.
Quote from: aileron on August 17, 2019, 10:59:37 AM
Stop or you'll go blind.
Sorry, that warning didn't work when I was a teen ;-)
Usually the officer corp of the US is mildly Democrat, because of educational level. The enlisted are solidly Republican or Independent. This is a danger. The real tradition is that no serving officer or enlisted is to have any party affiliation. Only after they leave service. We can hope that the US military will remain a-political at least in action if not sentiment. Similarly, per Hatch Act, GS workers are not to actively campaign for office or support it, using government time/material.
One of the most conservative officers I worked with, was a lesbian married to another woman. Real people are hard to label. Almost everyone I worked with (who was in uniform) served honorably.
Quote from: aileron on August 17, 2019, 10:59:37 AM
Stop or you'll go blind.
He is blind. Why his posts are erratic, irrelevant, contradictory and preposterous... other than that, they're ok...
QuoteIt seems like shit is coming out from both ends. What did you eat lately?
He's not wrong, the amount of terrorism we fund and engage in ourselves around the world probably does outnumber and outimpact any other group or countries, though countries like Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia probably give us a good run for our money. Not the best company to keep, however.
That said, I was talking about domestic terrorism and not international terrorism. And being white and/or male does not make someone a white supremacist; being a white supremacist makes someone one.
Derp, I knew there was a reason I came to this thread...
What's happening in Portland does clearly demonstrate that Antifa is a problem, and one that needs to be addressed by the State. That said they are being clearly provoked by right-wing terrorists into action, and to focus on Antifa without focusing on why they are even out there in the first place is at best ignoring the fundamental issue (increasing bipartisanship and a more and more radical right-wing that holds power in this country), at worst is making excuses for right-wing terrorism.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 17, 2019, 12:55:30 PM
He is blind. Why his posts are erratic, irrelevant, contradictory and preposterous... other than that, they're ok...
It is OK to admit you are confused. As we both get older, this is an increasing problem.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 17, 2019, 10:14:13 PM
Derp, I knew there was a reason I came to this thread...
What's happening in Portland does clearly demonstrate that Antifa is a problem, and one that needs to be addressed by the State. That said they are being clearly provoked by right-wing terrorists into action, and to focus on Antifa without focusing on why they are even out there in the first place is at best ignoring the fundamental issue (increasing bipartisanship and a more and more radical right-wing that holds power in this country), at worst is making excuses for right-wing terrorism.
Correct. To be corrected, not panicked over. This resembles the 1960s, but unless you were alive then, you won't realize this is still rice cake level stress.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 17, 2019, 09:59:59 PM
He's not wrong, the amount of terrorism we fund and engage in ourselves around the world probably does outnumber and outimpact any other group or countries, though countries like Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia probably give us a good run for our money. Not the best company to keep, however.
That said, I was talking about domestic terrorism and not international terrorism. And being white and/or male does not make someone a white supremacist; being a white supremacist makes someone one.
I agree with you on the global terrorism (what a worthless word)--the USA leads the way. How was the invasion of Iraq NOT terrorism? Shock and Awe...................
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 17, 2019, 11:19:46 PM
I agree with you on the global terrorism (what a worthless word)--the USA leads the way. How was the invasion of Iraq NOT terrorism? Shock and Awe...................
We are more woke now than in 2001, or 1965. This is a sad but good thing. So, ready to go to war with Iran? No? Smart boy!!
Quote from: Baruch on August 17, 2019, 11:21:11 PM
We are more woke now than in 2001, or 1965. This is a sad but good thing. So, ready to go to war with Iran? No? Smart boy!!
Some people confuse terrorism (ISIS) with blundering (USA).
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 09:35:07 AM
Some people confuse terrorism (ISIS) with blundering (USA).
Far to generous to Team America. I can think of a movie a decade or so back ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIPljGWGNt4
Don't send a marionette to do a man's job ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 11:05:13 AM
Don't send a marionette to do a man's job ;-)
That's what I keep saying about Trump. But Putin won't listen.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 09:35:07 AM
Some people confuse terrorism (ISIS) with blundering (USA).
Historically, that's been true, but we now have an ignoramus, bigoted commander-in-chief who calls for war crimes and a red-hatted mob who go into a frenzy of bloodlust when he does it.
So far our officer corps has been able to ignore or push back against this demagoguery, but as Sinclair Lewis wrote, there's no reason
It's Can't happen Here.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 12:00:39 PM
That's what I keep saying about Trump. But Putin won't listen.
No, you probably voted for the wicked witch who threatened Dorothy.
Quote from: aileron on August 18, 2019, 12:32:33 PM
Historically, that's been true, but we now have an ignoramus, bigoted commander-in-chief who calls for war crimes and a red-hatted mob who go into a frenzy of bloodlust when he does it.
So far our officer corps has been able to ignore or push back against this demagoguery, but as Sinclair Lewis wrote, there's no reason It's Can't happen Here.
When did you, in the military, stage an illegal coup, against the two Bush's, Clinton, or Obama? They are all war criminals.
Quote from: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 02:09:07 PM
No, you probably voted for the wicked witch who threatened Dorothy.
I would never hurt Dorothy, just too adorable...
Quote from: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 02:09:57 PM
When did you, in the military, stage an illegal coup, against the two Bush's, Clinton, or Obama? They are all war criminals.
Give a few more months, Trump will trump them...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 18, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Give a few more months, Trump will trump them...
Speaking to the other guy, former military officer. General Singlaub threatened to resign over Carter Korea policy, one of the few political-generals to show any integrity. With integrity, the military would have overthrown LBJ, not waited for Nixon.
Quote from: Baruch on August 18, 2019, 08:29:56 PM
Speaking to the other guy, former military officer. General Singlaub threatened to resign over Carter Korea policy, one of the few political-generals to show any integrity. With integrity, the military would have overthrown LBJ, not waited for Nixon.
Trump is a one-man show. Whether he has generals or not, it doesn't matter as he doesn't listen to them - only Hannity and Putin.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 05:13:01 AM
Trump is a one-man show. Whether he has generals or not, it doesn't matter as he doesn't listen to them - only Hannity and Putin.
As you say. And lizard shape shifting aliens keep stealing your mail.
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 10:00:08 AM
As you say. And lizard shape shifting aliens keep stealing your mail.
Your pro-Trump leaning has clouded your judgment.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 10:53:22 AM
Your pro-Trump leaning has clouded your judgment.
To prove I am not pro-Trump do I ...
1. Condemn everything Trump does?
2. Condemn everything Repubicans do?
3. Condemn everything White males do?
You can use your litmus tests for toilet paper. Need to know if your urine is acidic or alkaline ;-)
Hating the Kennedy family, the Bush family and the Clinton family ... doesn't equal pro-Trump or pro-Putin.
Remember to take your meds ... here I am taking mine near lunch time ...
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 12:55:09 PM
To prove I am not pro-Trump do I ...
1. Condemn everything Trump does?
2. Condemn everything Repubicans do?
3. Condemn everything White males do?
You can use you litmus tests for toilet paper. Need to know if your urine is acidic or alkaline ;-)
Hating the Kennedy family, the Bush family and the Clinton family ... doesn't equal pro-Trump or pro-Putin.
Remember to take your meds ... here I am taking mine near lunch time ...
But when you never criticize the orange monkey, it's kind of a dead give away...
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
But when you never criticize the orange monkey, it's kind of a dead give away...
99/100 of all posts here criticize Trump. Do you need me to add why I didn't vote for him? Old news. Do you need to project into the future if I will vote or not, if I will vote for an Independent or the R/D death cult? So much of the criticism is TDS or DNC fantasy. Which is OK, but why do I need to add, since I don't have TDS nor am I DNC?
Yes, CDS, BDS, KDS ... but they aren't running for office, they are old news.
Quote from: Baruch on August 19, 2019, 02:43:20 PM
99/100 of all posts here criticize Trump.
You're hallucinating.
QuoteDo you need me to add why I didn't vote for him? Old news.
Irrelevant. It only means you were a late converter to Trump's cult.
Quote from: aileron on August 17, 2019, 10:20:23 AM
If you think your schtick is clever and funny or even mildly amusing, it's not.
Baruch seems to be unstoppable and unembarrassable in his unsupported ignorance. So far as I can tell, his only purpose in life is to post often and thoughtlessly to increase his post-count and logic doesn't have much to do with anything. He doesn't care if you think his jokes are funny or not.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 05:28:43 AM
Baruch seems to be unstoppable and unembarrassable in his unsupported ignorance. So far as I can tell, his only purpose in life is to post often and thoughtlessly to increase his post-count and logic doesn't have much to do with anything. He doesn't care if you think his jokes are funny or not.
Correct ... unmovable object at least, not irresistible force. But that much is demigod-like. And no I don't recognize this word "embarrass" of which you speak. I speak my mind. And nobody on Earth will make me lose my sense of humor.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 19, 2019, 03:28:51 PM
You're hallucinating.
Irrelevant. It only means you were a late converter to Trump's cult.
Actually, they might be correct about insulting. And deservedly so, He is objectively the worst President ever.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 08:00:32 AM
Actually, they might be correct about insulting. And deservedly so, He is objectively the worst President ever.
James Buchanan is the worst. That is the professional historian's view. He was also our first gay President.
But don't stop throwing decaying vegetables at whoever is currently in office ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 09:37:26 AM
James Buchanan is the worst. That is the professional historian's view. He was also our first gay President.
But don't stop throwing decaying vegetables at whoever is currently in office ;-)
No. Trump will go down as the worst. Just not done screwing up yet.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 10:07:17 AM
No. Trump will go down as the worst. Just not done screwing up yet.
That is what passes for optimism for a Democrat ;-(
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 10:07:17 AM
No. Trump will go down as the worst. Just not done screwing up yet.
I really feel you should review presidential history before making that claim. Just because the guys the current president doesn't mean he's done worse then past ones.
https://www.oregonlive.com/today/2017/10/donald_trumps_competition_the.html
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 11:44:58 AM
That is what passes for optimism for a Democrat ;-(
Optimism? No. I'm not an optimist about sending Trump to jail be defeating him at the Electoral College next year. I just hope for the sake of the world that we do.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 11:49:15 AM
Optimism? No. I'm not an optimist about sending Trump to jail be defeating him at the Electoral College next year. I just hope for the sake of the world that we do.
Better than optimism of 1865, April, Washington DC ...
Quote from: Munch on August 20, 2019, 11:48:01 AM
I really feel you should review presidential history before making that claim. Just because the guys the current president doesn't mean he's done worse then past ones.
https://www.oregonlive.com/today/2017/10/donald_trumps_competition_the.html
Yeah, in this case, it does. He is clearly the worst president we have ever had--and that includes the first Johnson! He lands in that position because he has not done anything positive well.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 11:51:12 AM
Better than optimism of 1865, April, Washington DC ...
Before April 14, 1865 or after. It makes a difference.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 11:54:54 AM
Before April 14, 1865 or after. It makes a difference.
That is the point. Choose.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 01:49:29 PM
That is the point. Choose.
I choose the hope of "before" rather than the sadness of "after".
It was a close run thing. Stanton and Grant could have instituted a military dictatorship, with Radical Republicans (not everyone in Congress) calling the song. A completely punitive Reconstruction the opposite of Lincoln's second inauguration speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSDCyTxAz0
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 05:02:36 PM
It was a close run thing. Stanton and Grant could have instituted a military dictatorship, with Radical Republicans (not everyone in Congress) calling the song. A completely punitive Reconstruction the opposite of Lincoln's second inauguration speech.
Grant was never a dictator wanna-be. Why did you bring up "could have"? They didn't.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 06:22:54 PM
Grant was never a dictator wanna-be. Why did you bring up "could have"? They didn't.
Within active military occupied territory, he was (see Tennessee). But that is normal for military occupation. See General McArthur in Japan. He gave very generous terms to Lee's men, to get them to agree to stop fighting.
Quote from: Baruch on August 20, 2019, 08:05:55 PM
Within active military occupied territory, he was (see Tennessee). But that is normal for military occupation. See General McArthur in Japan. He gave very generous terms to Lee's men, to get them to agree to stop fighting.
Grant did give generous rations to Lee's reduced army. How does that relate to your claim Grant wanted to be a dictator?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 20, 2019, 09:36:24 PM
Grant did give generous rations to Lee's reduced army. How does that relate to your claim Grant wanted to be a dictator?
Not my claim. Your claim projected onto me. If the country fell apart, who do you think would feel compelled to pick up the pieces, given his presidential ambitions? Custer?
Quote from: Baruch on August 21, 2019, 12:05:42 AM
Not my claim. Your claim projected onto me. If the country fell apart, who do you think would feel compelled to pick up the pieces, given his presidential ambitions? Custer?
You said "Stanton and Grant could have instituted a military dictatorship". Stanton was not really a part of the Grant administration. He was nominated as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court by Grant; however, he died four days after his nomination was confirmed by the Senate.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 12:10:04 AM
You said "Stanton and Grant could have instituted a military dictatorship". Stanton was not really a part of the Grant administration. He was nominated as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court by Grant; however, he died four days after his nomination was confirmed by the Senate.
We are talking about April 1865. Stanton was Secretary of War in 1865 .. and he destroyed part of his papers, the same day Lincoln died. He was connected to the conspirators (the earlier conspiracy was to kidnap Lincoln at a peace conference with the Rebels, to force an armistice). The surrender of Lee forced them to change plans, to an assassination.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 12:46:37 AM
We are talking about April 1865. Stanton was Secretary of War in 1865 .. and he destroyed part of his papers, the same day Lincoln died. He was connected to the conspirators (the earlier conspiracy was to kidnap Lincoln at a peace conference with the Rebels, to force an armistice). The surrender of Lee forced them to change plans, to an assassination.
link?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 02:30:07 AM
link?
https://www.fords.org/blog/post/misinformation-and-conspiracy-theories-about-the-lincoln-assassination/
Debunked. Mentions the diary obfuscation. Of course, only Oswald shot JFK etc.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 08:52:29 AM
https://www.fords.org/blog/post/misinformation-and-conspiracy-theories-about-the-lincoln-assassination/
Debunked. Mentions the diary obfuscation. Of course, only Oswald shot JFK etc.
I'm glad you said "debunked", because I sure have would otherwise. A load of trash. So, knowing that was debunked, why did you mention it to begin with?
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 02:12:03 PM
I'm glad you said "debunked", because I sure have would otherwise. A load of trash. So, knowing that was debunked, why did you mention it to begin with?
A skeptic debunks everything, as a panacea against meaning. There is no truth, no facts, just my autistic nihilistic condition ;-)
No, that fact that X debunked Y means nothing, if you are skeptical. You have to be skeptical of the debunking. Qui bono.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
A skeptic debunks everything, as a panacea against meaning. There is no truth, no facts, just my autistic nihilistic condition ;-)
No, that fact that X debunked Y means nothing, if you are skeptical. You have to be skeptical of the debunking. Qui bono.
I give you a mild "OK". and you stomp on it. You so sadly misunderstand "skepticism". That doesn't mean objecting to everything as you suggest. It means considering facts when claims are made.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 05:05:13 PM
I give you a mild "OK". and you stomp on it. You so sadly misunderstand "skepticism". That doesn't mean objecting to everything as you suggest. It means considering facts when claims are made.
True. That is a mild "OK" to you. English words have multiple meanings, to be sorted by context. In fact, skepticism is probably s sliding scale.
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 08:05:38 PM
English words have multiple meanings.
GASP, the concept boggles...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 08:46:29 PM
GASP, the concept boggles...
Never for Dems, only one meaning, the Woke meaning. The final battle isn't the People vs Banks ... but between lexicographers ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:13:50 PM
Never for Dems, only one meaning, the Woke meaning. The final battle isn't the People vs Banks ... but between lexicographers ;-)
Have you just discovered the new meaning of "woke"? You are seemingly in love with it recently.
I py no attention to that stuff. The meaning will revert in a year replaced with "frosty" or "whip" or something.
Quote from: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 10:54:47 PM
Have you just discovered the new meaning of "woke"? You are seemingly in love with it recently.
I py no attention to that stuff. The meaning will revert in a year replaced with "frosty" or "whip" or something.
Whatever you say, daddy-o ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BrAg0ouxXk
Quote from: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:57:21 PM
Whatever you say, daddy-o ...
23-skiddoo, the cat's pajamas, and all that...
Quote from: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 01:33:04 PM
23-skiddoo, the cat's pajamas, and all that...
Yeah--that show was the bees knees.
Quote from: Mike Cl on August 31, 2019, 05:53:07 PM
Yeah--that show was the bees knees.
Well, he liked Mr Ed better, but he would have understood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KeA_7ouClQ
antifa blocking off an elderly grandmother from going to a right wing opposition party conference, calling her nazi scum.
what heros..
The recent climate change messiah ... her parents are anti-FA and technically she is a junior member. Question policy partly based on who is promoting it.