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Title: Wall of emergency
Post by: Mr.Obvious on February 15, 2019, 04:10:20 PM
So, Trump declared a state of emergency to try and force his wall through?

I don't think he'll succeed, mind you. But the fact that this reeks of desperation is not fulfilling either. The schadenfreude is getting stale, even for me. This president is acting like a spoiled child, and he holds one of the highest offices in the world.

But what I think is especially draining on the comedic factor, is not that it will fail. But that it also won't lead to any reprimandation for Trump, I believe. This kind of stuff is just going to go on and on. And yes, while the base-absurdity of it all is still bafflingly entertaining; the joke is getting old.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 04:37:47 PM
The emergency is that we have a Russian operative in the White House, the result of a coup by a foreign nation. And the Republican party seems, by and large, to be traitors right along with the traitor-in-chief.

Trump doesn't give a damn about the stupid wall, his agenda is to cause as much disruption and chaos as possible while he can. We'll be really lucky if Russia doesn't invade while we're at our weakest.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: PickelledEggs on February 15, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
He's a professional cry baby. I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet, tbh. Not that I condone murder, but he's done a lot of stupid and detrimentally economically staggering shit in these last 2 years. Constantly. And it's been pissing a lot of people off.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Munch on February 15, 2019, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 04:37:47 PM
The emergency is that we have a Russian operative in the White House, the result of a coup by a foreign nation. And the Republican party seem, by and large, to be traitors right along with the traitor-in-chief.

Trump doesn't give a damn about the stupid wall, his agenda is to cause as much disruption and chaos as possible while he can. We'll be really lucky if Russia doesn't invade while we're at our weakest.

How exactly does it benefit someone who's goals really are just hedonistic, as in wealth and prestige, to cause chaos and disruption?

He's not the joker, he's more like jabba the Hutt
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: Munch on February 15, 2019, 04:48:45 PM
How exactly does it benefit someone who's goals really are just hedonistic, as in wealth and prestige, to cause chaos and disruption?

He's not the joker, he's more like jabba the Hutt
You (nor I) can't get inside his head to really know just what his goals are. The western banks stopped lending him money, so he had to go to Russian banks for his loans. Now he may well be trying to punish the western banks while at the same time rewarding the Russian banks. He isn't finished yet, by the way, so he hasn't done all the disruption he intends. And who knows what the Russians discussed with all those Republicans who went to Moscow last July - did they get paid, or threatened, or what? Does Putin have "kompromat" on Trump and other Republicans? Who knows?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
I don't get how can he legally declare a state of emergency. No war, now civil war or a threat of civil war, right? No threat of any kind -apart from him- on the country I mean.

How can he do it?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:00:24 PM
He may not legally be able to do it. We'll have to wait and see, but he'll get a lot of push back from the Dems and even some Republicans.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 15, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
He's a professional cry baby. I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet, tbh. Not that I condone murder, but he's done a lot of stupid and detrimentally economically staggering shit in these last 2 years. Constantly. And it's been pissing a lot of people off.

Assassinating him would just make him a martyr, and turn him into a legend in the minds of his devoted fans. Besides, if that happened Pence would be the new president, and I don't think anyone wants that - except, of course, Pence.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 06:16:34 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:00:24 PM
He may not legally be able to do it. We'll have to wait and see, but he'll get a lot of push back from the Dems and even some Republicans.

Well, needlessly to say, they have to stop it in any case. State of emergency opens many other ways to do a lot of other things besides the wall bullshit. I mean, it is State of Emergency. We have suffered from it for years after the coup attempt. It works the same everywhere. It opens easy doors, short cuts to stop this, turn this around, arrest that.

Can they investigate a president under state of emergency? Can they investigate his tax returns for example? This isn't really about that stupid wall, is it?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on February 15, 2019, 04:10:20 PM
So, Trump declared a state of emergency to try and force his wall through?

I don't think he'll succeed, mind you. But the fact that this reeks of desperation is not fulfilling either. The schadenfreude is getting stale, even for me. This president is acting like a spoiled child, and he holds one of the highest offices in the world.

But what I think is especially draining on the comedic factor, is not that it will fail. But that it also won't lead to any reprimandation for Trump, I believe. This kind of stuff is just going to go on and on. And yes, while the base-absurdity of it all is still bafflingly entertaining; the joke is getting old.

Of course not.  All human endeavor fails.  That is a given.  What about the EU .. just another human failure.

What could get interesting is US civil war, with nukes.  Gotta love a good radiation burn ...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:30:02 PM
Well, with a sufficiently high SPF we should be safe enough...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:41:45 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:30:02 PM
Well, with a sufficiently high SPF we should be safe enough...

You bring the lawyers, he will bring the nukes ... after all, a California politician already threatened US gun owners with nukes.  Time to make a first strike?

Democrats .. agents of drug trafficking and human trafficking.  What is not to dislike?

Once upon a time, Democrats were red, not blue.  So maybe a new slogan?  "Better Glue Than Blue" aka where donkeys go to die.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:44:13 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 06:16:34 PM
Well, needlessly to say, they have to stop it in any case. State of emergency opens many other ways to do a lot of other things besides the wall bullshit. I mean, it is State of Emergency. We have suffered from it for years after the coup attempt. It works the same everywhere. It opens easy doors, short cuts to stop this, turn this around, arrest that.

Can they investigate a president under state of emergency? Can they investigate his tax returns for example? This isn't really about that stupid wall, is it?

Global thermonuclear war .. Erdogan is Caliph, and ally of Putin.  Move out from Turkey while you still can?

The original coup started under Devil Obama and his arch-demon, Hillary, back in Summer 2006.  Thank G-d for Wikileaks.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:46:28 PM
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 15, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
He's a professional cry baby. I'm surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet, tbh. Not that I condone murder, but he's done a lot of stupid and detrimentally economically staggering shit in these last 2 years. Constantly. And it's been pissing a lot of people off.

All Democrats condone murder ... of the truth.  Pissed off people can go to cool off in FEMA camps?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:47:00 PM
Quote from: Munch on February 15, 2019, 04:48:45 PM
How exactly does it benefit someone who's goals really are just hedonistic, as in wealth and prestige, to cause chaos and disruption?

He's not the joker, he's more like jabba the Hutt

PC incorrect against fat people!!
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
I don't get how can he legally declare a state of emergency. No war, now civil war or a threat of civil war, right? No threat of any kind -apart from him- on the country I mean.

How can he do it?

Obama did it, 12 times.  But that ... never happened.  As commander in chief, unique to Chief Executives in nations (some Presidents are merely ceremonial, and no PM I know of is in charge of the War/Defense Department).  The President's power is unlimited.  Particularly in conditions of domestic insurrection (aka Lincoln).
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:49:46 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:03:13 PM
Assassinating him would just make him a martyr, and turn him into a legend in the minds of his devoted fans. Besides, if that happened Pence would be the new president, and I don't think anyone wants that - except, of course, Pence.

Maybe you need Imperial Germany to move Lenin secretly into Washington DC?  It worked in St Petersburg.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:50:30 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:00:24 PM
He may not legally be able to do it. We'll have to wait and see, but he'll get a lot of push back from the Dems and even some Republicans.

If the CIA is opposed, then a damp squib.  If the CIA is for ... then a lot of people are going to die.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:56:25 PM
A lot of people die every second of every day. Who cares?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 06:56:25 PM
A lot of people die every second of every day. Who cares?

You first!  Not really, I would miss you ;-(

What humanity needs now is a uber-Kevorkian ... Euthanize the planet!  Nihilism is the one true ideology/religion.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 07:05:25 PM
Where would you like me to go, Baruch? I am already heavily depressed enough on what is going on here. March 31st, we have elections. 
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 07:15:30 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 07:05:25 PM
Where would you like me to go, Baruch? I am already heavily depressed enough on what is going on here. March 31st, we have elections.

Well, if you have a good enough bunker ... you can stay near home.  Otherwise, get a student visa and get another degree someplace else.  At least that seems practical to me.  Do you have an Internatlonal MBA yet?  Those are pretty popular and remunerative.  If things go further bad in the Middle East, or there is war between Turkey and Greece (you are in range) ... it might get too stressful.  The best way to fight depression is to take constructive action.

By March 31st the UK might no longer exist ... see Brexit Apocalypse film in the funny video section.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 07:22:47 PM
Sometimes, I really do wonder what is going in your head. 

Yeah, a lot of bad things will happen. Esp. over here where I live. But nuclear war is not one of them, Baruch.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 07:33:48 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 07:22:47 PM
Sometimes, I really do wonder what is going in your head. 

Yeah, a lot of bad things will happen. Esp. over here where I live. But nuclear war is not one of them, Baruch.

How do you know that Erdogan didn't get nukes from Pakistan?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 15, 2019, 07:33:48 PM
How do you know that Erdogan didn't get nukes from Pakistan?

Really? How? And again... how?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: aitm on February 15, 2019, 08:11:08 PM
What is really depressing and yet not surprising is how easily trump supporters look exactly like they should....or perhaps I should say...as one would expect.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
They mostly live in pesticide/fertilizer country.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 08:14:00 PM
I don't get that. How do they look like?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Mermaid on February 15, 2019, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 05:50:20 PM
I don't get how can he legally declare a state of emergency. No war, now civil war or a threat of civil war, right? No threat of any kind -apart from him- on the country I mean.

How can he do it?
I have the same question.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Sylar on February 15, 2019, 10:52:45 PM
What a banana republic the United States have become. We have a corrupt party in power, and neither our courts nor our Congress have the power to do shit about it.

The Constitution specifies separation of power between Congress and POTUS. But Mitch* "McTurtleneck" McConnell decided that it's OK for president to grab power from Congress. (But making elections a federal holiday is a power grab according to him.

And here's Pence condemning Obama's use of executive power:
https://youtu.be/FnA4ilrT9Ok

More glaring double standards from GOP.

*For Red Dead Redemption 2 fans, I wrote Micah instead of Mitch at first ðŸ˜,. Accurate, don't you think?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on February 19, 2019, 03:18:48 PM
News Report:  'Saturday Night Live' is ending all attempts to parody President Trump.  "We just can't match the nonsense anymore" said one SNL participant.  "He says stuff we can't even dream up after MJ eatables"...

In a personal discussion after the news release, one long-standing master of parody admitted "I can't make more fun of him than he does himself.  He has ruined my gig...".

After a few Bourbon Sours, he said: "How does he come UP with this stuff?  I can't beat this guy".

Your reporter, On The Scene...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 19, 2019, 03:23:27 PM
Well, we still have Our Cartoon President!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260mj1dmJhU
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on February 19, 2019, 03:29:02 PM
O M Notgod...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2019, 04:49:56 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 19, 2019, 03:18:48 PM
News Report:  'Saturday Night Live' is ending all attempts to parody President Trump.  "We just can't match the nonsense anymore" said one SNL participant.  "He says stuff we can't even dream up after MJ eatables"...

In a personal discussion after the news release, one long-standing master of parody admitted "I can't make more fun of him than he does himself.  He has ruined my gig...".

After a few Bourbon Sours, he said: "How does he come UP with this stuff?  I can't beat this guy".

Your reporter, On The Scene...

The Onion was a CIA false flag.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2019, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 15, 2019, 07:37:08 PM
Really? How? And again... how?

Pakistani nukes?  Usually in diplomatic cargo.  It has immunity.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2019, 04:51:33 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 15, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
They mostly live in pesticide/fertilizer country.

Without that, y'all beta boys would starve.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Draconic Aiur on February 20, 2019, 03:45:03 AM
Won't jew shut up with all those repetitive posts. We know jew emo.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 20, 2019, 07:13:52 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 20, 2019, 03:45:03 AM
Won't jew shut up with all those repetitive posts. We know jew emo.

The minor commentary and occasional wit?

See, some of you have like ... automatic cell phone notifications ... I don't.  If you do, that is your own tech-cross-to-bear.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Draconic Aiur on February 20, 2019, 09:29:18 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 20, 2019, 07:13:52 AM
The minor commentary and occasional wit?

See, some of you have like ... automatic cell phone notifications ... I don't.  If you do, that is your own tech-cross-to-bear.

perhaps...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 20, 2019, 12:32:52 PM
If you get the brain chip notification installed, I can ring your chimes at will ... bwahaha.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 09:19:11 AM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 20, 2019, 03:45:03 AM
Won't jew shut up with all those repetitive posts. We know jew emo.

That was ENTIRELY inappropriate!  Do not do that again...  And I haven't even read any of the replies, so this is all me...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Draconic Aiur on February 22, 2019, 05:55:24 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 09:19:11 AM
That was ENTIRELY inappropriate!  Do not do that again...  And I haven't even read any of the replies, so this is all me...

It was suppose to be a big middle finger response
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 22, 2019, 05:55:24 PM
It was suppose to be a big middle finger response

Hmmm, explain further...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Draconic Aiur on February 22, 2019, 06:32:30 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 06:02:46 PM
Hmmm, explain further...

Baruch being a dick and very stereotypical ethnicity. Not my best response but it was out of anger.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:07:00 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 22, 2019, 05:55:24 PM
It was suppose to be a big middle finger response

His dick doth complain too much.  I bet yours is like Trump's hands ...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:08:05 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 22, 2019, 06:32:30 PM
Baruch being a dick and very stereotypical ethnicity. Not my best response but it was out of anger.

Feel the hate! - Emperor Palpatine

I am not an Orthodox Jew, or I would circumcise you where it hurts ;-)
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 07:11:13 PM
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on February 22, 2019, 06:32:30 PM
Baruch being a dick and very stereotypical ethnicity. Not my best response but it was out of anger.

Fully accepted and completely understood.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:13:12 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 07:11:13 PM
Fully accepted and completely understood.  Thank you.

You have New England Yankee Puritan ethnicity.  I don't hold it against you, much.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 07:22:36 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:13:12 PM
You have New England Yankee Puritan ethnicity.  I don't hold it against you, much.

Nailed me!  I come from a long line on incorruptable Yankee and Quaker farmers...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:30:48 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 07:22:36 PM
Nailed me!  I come from a long line on incorruptable Yankee and Quaker farmers...

That is because they are non-organic.  Otherwise your name would be Pete Moss ;-)
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 22, 2019, 07:32:21 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:08:05 PM
Feel the hate! - Emperor Palpatine

I am not an Orthodox Jew, or I would circumcise you where it hurts ;-)
Is there anywhere it doesn't hurt?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 22, 2019, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:13:12 PM
You have New England Yankee Puritan ethnicity.  I don't hold it against you, much.
If he said you have a beautiful body, would you hold it against him?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 07:40:16 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:30:48 PM
That is because they are non-organic.  Otherwise your name would be Pete Moss ;-)

What kind of idiot are you?  Where do you think the organic movement CAME from?  I've been an organic gardener since I left Dad's single-generation experiment in synthetics 40 years ago and returned to Grampa's roots.

And I'll bet you will just ignore this and go on with your fantasies...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 11:40:55 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 07:40:16 PM
What kind of idiot are you?  Where do you think the organic movement CAME from?  I've been an organic gardener since I left Dad's single-generation experiment in synthetics 40 years ago and returned to Grampa's roots.

And I'll bet you will just ignore this and go on with your fantasies...

Do you join in with the earth worms farm, for a good squirm?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on February 26, 2019, 10:14:12 AM
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 11:40:55 PM
Do you join in with the earth worms farm, for a good squirm?

What an odd person you are...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 26, 2019, 01:39:17 PM
Would make good title for a Lumbricus soap opera: As the Worm Squirms. LOL
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2019, 06:28:53 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2019, 10:14:12 AM
What an odd person you are...

And earthworm has more hearts than you.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 26, 2019, 01:39:17 PM
Would make good title for a Lumbricus soap opera: As the Worm Squirms. LOL

It takes a very specialized furry to like that kind of activity ;-)
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Sylar on February 26, 2019, 11:05:24 PM
House voted to block the emergency declaration today.
Senate has 18 days to vote on it by law (McTurtleface can't block it).

If it passes (and it's expected to), Trump will have to issue his first veto.
If it fails, it dies in the Senate.

So far, three GOP Senators came out in support: Murkowski (R-AK), Collins (R-ME), and Tillis (R-NC).

Still, plenty of time for Cornyn to whip votes and avoid embarrassing Trump.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2019, 11:28:45 PM
Quote from: Sylar on February 26, 2019, 11:05:24 PM
House voted to block the emergency declaration today.
Senate has 18 days to vote on it by law (McTurtleface can't block it).

If it passes (and it's expected to), Trump will have to issue his first veto.
If it fails, it dies in the Senate.

So far, three GOP Senators came out in support: Murkowski (R-AK), Collins (R-ME), and Tillis (R-NC).

Still, plenty of time for Cornyn to whip votes and avoid embarrassing Trump.

Ultimately Congress rules ... if they have their act together.  We don't actually have a Presidential tyranny, except to the extent the Congress refuses to do their jobs.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 04:54:39 AM
Personal emnity Trumps (pardon the pun) the welfare of the nation.
If you hate Trump more than you love your country...



Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2019, 06:13:06 AM
Quote from: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 04:54:39 AM
Personal emnity Trumps (pardon the pun) the welfare of the nation.
If you hate Trump more than you love your country...

That is why voters are now football (soccer) hooligans ;-(  That is not as true in the British system.  In America, we are like China/Russia, with cults of personality, like ... the only person that matters on the football (american) team is the quarterback.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 06:22:52 AM
It is in the interest of the Dem party to keep the future voters coming in.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2019, 07:01:48 AM
Quote from: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 06:22:52 AM
It is in the interest of the Dem party to keep the future voters coming in.

Except they are incorrect.  It is the Leftist Latins who stay home, it is the Rightist Latins who emigrate.  See Miami.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 07:07:38 AM
According to Cavebear they, (migrants) are all decent hard working professionals, engineers, doctors, teachers.

America needs them badly.

I think Honduras needs them even more to rebuild their failed nation.

(http://www.ipsnews.net/Library/2018/10/aa-7.jpg)




Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Shiranu on February 27, 2019, 10:21:38 AM
Quote from: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 04:54:39 AM
Personal emnity Trumps (pardon the pun) the welfare of the nation.
If you hate Trump more than you love your country...





Except the emergency declaration harms the nation by taking money away from other vital programs, particularly from Puerto Rico relief funds (which, as you may remember, the president didn't give a shit about even though it was one the largest natural disasters in American history) and spends that money on something that won't even do a lick of good.

If you love your bigot more than you love your country...
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 11:14:09 AM
Bigot?

Don't forget xenophobe, islamophobe, racist, far right, fascist, white supremacist.
Literally.

Alas, not a Trump supporter, not being an American.

MAGA!
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Munch on February 27, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
Quote from: Shiranu on February 27, 2019, 10:21:38 AM


If you love your bigot more than you love your country...

remember how I said you need to look beyond your back garden because you don't seem to view the world outside of how it works in america, I didn't literally believe you think everyone lives there.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Blackleaf on February 27, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
Quote from: Sylar on February 26, 2019, 11:05:24 PM
House voted to block the emergency declaration today.
Senate has 18 days to vote on it by law (McTurtleface can't block it).

If it passes (and it's expected to), Trump will have to issue his first veto.
If it fails, it dies in the Senate.

So far, three GOP Senators came out in support: Murkowski (R-AK), Collins (R-ME), and Tillis (R-NC).

Still, plenty of time for Cornyn to whip votes and avoid embarrassing Trump.

Sure would be nice if Republicans cared more about the welfare of the country than keeping their Idiot-in-Chief from looking like a moron. But nope. Let's waste hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payer money on a useless wall.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2019, 12:50:23 PM
Quote from: Munch on February 27, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
remember how I said you need to look beyond your back garden because you don't seem to view the world outside of how it works in america, I didn't literally believe you think everyone lives there.

Typical American parochialism.  He needs to watch more British media.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2019, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 27, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
Sure would be nice if Republicans cared more about the welfare of the country than keeping their Idiot-in-Chief from looking like a moron. But nope. Let's waste hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payer money on a useless wall.

They don't.  All politicians are predators.  It is human nature.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 27, 2019, 01:10:42 PM
Quote from: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 11:14:09 AM
MAGA!

Yeah, Make America Gulag Archipelago
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Sylar on February 27, 2019, 03:31:28 PM
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 27, 2019, 11:54:03 AM
Sure would be nice if Republicans cared more about the welfare of the country than keeping their Idiot-in-Chief from looking like a moron. But nope. Let's waste hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payer money on a useless wall.

The declaration will stand no matter what, because the president has veto power and we do not have 2/3 in each Chamber of Congress to overturn veto.

The question with respect to Senate vote:
How worried are GOP Senators about their re-election prospects in 2020, and what role will that play in their decision whether to vote yay or nay on the bill?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on February 27, 2019, 03:42:18 PM
The real questions are: how much in bribes did GOP senators take, and/or how were their family members threatened?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2019, 05:49:43 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 27, 2019, 01:10:42 PM
Yeah, Make America Gulag Archipelago

No, Uigher reeducation camp style ... we imitate out Chinese masters, not those Russian losers.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2019, 05:50:42 PM
Quote from: Sylar on February 27, 2019, 03:31:28 PM
The declaration will stand no matter what, because the president has veto power and we do not have 2/3 in each Chamber of Congress to overturn veto.

The question with respect to Senate vote:
How worried are GOP Senators about their re-election prospects in 2020, and what role will that play in their decision whether to vote yay or nay on the bill?

Nature of the beast.  !/3 senate every 2 years, whole house every 2 years.  What I see says the British system is better.  Both parties need to virtue signal their character ;-(  So vote they will, and fail they must, but when it is important, not on a regular vote, but a voice vote ... so voters can't tell.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2019, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 27, 2019, 03:42:18 PM
The real questions are: how much in bribes did GOP senators take, and/or how were there family members threatened?

All pols are all threatened and bribed by the CIA.  The CIA has been running things since shortly after WW II.  State within a state.  Voters are such maroons.  Started with J Edgar Hoover's little black book way back before WW II.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Shiranu on February 27, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
Quote from: Munch on February 27, 2019, 11:23:03 AM
remember how I said you need to look beyond your back garden because you don't seem to view the world outside of how it works in america, I didn't literally believe you think everyone lives there.


Pr's statement was about Americans who hate Trump more than they love their country, to which I sarcastically parroted what he said, but this time to attack the opposite of that; Americans who seem to love Trump more than they love their country.

No where in that does it imply that I think he is American... particularly given neither pr fits into the latter category nor myself into the former.

Given he wasn't referring to me, there is no logical reason to assume I was referring to him.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Shiranu on February 27, 2019, 09:11:42 PM
Quote from: pr126 on February 27, 2019, 11:14:09 AM
Bigot?

Don't forget xenophobe, islamophobe, racist, far right, fascist, white supremacist.
Literally.

Alas, not a Trump supporter, not being an American.

MAGA!

By declaring a national crisis to fund the wall, the Executive branch is authorized to reallocate funding from other emergency programs towards the new emergency. There is no new budget passed to expand spending limits but rather just moving money from one program to another.

One program that is likely to take a hit is the Puerto Rico and Houston relief funds, both of which (but particularly PR) already are severely inadequate for the scope of the disaster (Puerto Rico was amongst the highest death tolls by natural disaster in American history). This is unarguably a more important program than his wall.

Another source of revenue will be drug forfeiture and seizure profits and programs, which could be up to $3.1 billion dollars in funding. This is something California is currently planning to sue the federal government over because this funding goes towards, again, actual emergency relief funds for a state that has been wracked by massive wildfires and flooding... and when you are one of the few states that contribute more in taxes than you pay, this is a particularly hard slap in the face to have your expected funding go towards a program you disagree with. Likewise California already has a large part of it's border fenced off and the wall is currently focused mostly in my home state of Texas, so it doesn't even benefit them if they agree with it.

Finally it is taking an estimated $3.6 billion in money allocated for military infrastructure spending to go towards a wall that is almost unanimously agreed upon to be a poor solution to the problem. This is money that goes towards improving water distribution services, upgrades to our electrical power grids and expansions of military bases, including several overseas in high value locations like Myanmar.

People don't have a problem with the wall because it's Trump, people have a problem with the wall because it is wildly expensive for something so wildly ineffective, and he declared a state of emergency to defund other (actual) emergency programs to get it done. On top of that he himself admits it's not an emergency, and the day after declaring it went to his golf course... hardly the behaviour of a president desperate to take care of an emergency.

What, exactly, is your rebuttal to the fact that this is literally taking money from all underfunded emergency programs that are desperately needed to spend on a border wall that will be neither effective (given the majority of drugs come into the country through designated checkpoints rather than where the walls will be blocking off) nor an actual emergency (as stated by Trump himself)?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 27, 2019, 11:41:42 PM
Yawn ... how many of these did Obama declare?  How many are still in place?  You only like Executive over-reach when done by a D party member.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: pr126 on February 28, 2019, 12:32:06 AM
People with a nervous disposition should not watch this video.
Parental Guidance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRGW1VtPJE
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Shiranu on February 28, 2019, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: pr126 on February 28, 2019, 12:32:06 AM
People with a nervous disposition should not watch this video.
Parental Guidance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRGW1VtPJE

At least 533,000 people, or over half of the Puerto Rican applicants, were denied relief money from FEMA to repair or rebuild homes following Hurricane Maria, and yet large sections of the island are still uninhabited, deemed "sub-par living conditions" by health officials or lacking access to electricity and fresh water.

In terms of national emergencies on the mainland, the opioid crisis is out of control; over 130 people die every day to opioid related medical complications, with many of those being from prescription drugs legally prescribed in excessively large amounts by licensed doctors. According to the CDCP, that comes out to an estimated $78.5 billion dollars lost due to cost of treatment, loss of productivity, addiction treatment and criminal cases involving opioid cases.

Likewise Americans are literally dying left and right because they cannot afford the skyrocketing prices of prescription drugs or medical treatment, and countless more have to suffer either crippling pain or crippling debt because our healthcare system simply cannot be accessed by the majority of Americans. In student debt, it has reached $1.6 trillion dollars, with the average 22 year old having a net worth of  -$39,000. Again, that is a average net worth, going into the beginning of adulthood, of negative$39,000.

Neither of these are worth being "national emergencies" to the Trump campaign, and the first is worth actually taking money away from to fund a wall that is neither effective or necessary.

What is your rebuttal to the fact that there are extremely more pressing national emergencies that the Trump campaign either ignores or outright profits from and exacerbates, yet is willing to spend billions of dollars on a program that experts agree will not solve any problems, or at least not do anywhere near a good "cost-to-result" ratio?
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2019, 01:22:34 AM
Yep, Puerto Rico relief was a fail ;-(  I know someone from there who went back there to do medical work for upper class vacationers. before the hurricane.

Tell us about the Haiti relief efforts, and the Clinton fail?  Did that pay for part of Chelsea's damn wedding?

The opioid crisis is CIA.  CIA controls the drug trade, for money laundering.  We were told this in the 1970s.  And the Clintons were involved, in Arkansas, with this in the 80s.  We went into Afghanistan to restart the heroin trade.

Agenda 21 ... more people need to die.  Especially White males.  Non-White females are easier to manipulate.

There are many issues, some more important than others.  I don't think the US will survive all this disunity.  This is Rome, 350 CE.  Choose your barbarian horde carefully.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Draconic Aiur on February 28, 2019, 03:50:14 AM
Quote from: pr126 on February 28, 2019, 12:32:06 AM
People with a nervous disposition should not watch this video.
Parental Guidance.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNRGW1VtPJE

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8GbnMSGXEyE/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2019, 06:43:14 AM
Beta male behavior ... INCELS uselessly virtue signaling to lesbians.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Draconic Aiur on February 28, 2019, 12:43:26 PM
Quote from: Baruch on February 28, 2019, 06:43:14 AM
Beta male behavior ... INCELS uselessly virtue signaling to lesbians.

stfu
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on March 01, 2019, 09:11:50 AM
He would be brilliant if he wasn't so stupid.  He simplifies too much.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on March 01, 2019, 01:07:47 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on March 01, 2019, 09:11:50 AM
He would be brilliant if he wasn't so stupid.  He simplifies too much.

Apparently not simplified enough for you ;-))
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Unbeliever on March 01, 2019, 01:20:02 PM
Quote from: Albert EinsteinEverything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Baruch on March 01, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 01, 2019, 01:20:02 PM


Einstein failed to wear socks, and shaved with water, not shaving cream.  Case closed.
Title: Re: Wall of emergency
Post by: Cavebear on March 07, 2019, 05:20:30 PM
Quote from: Baruch on March 01, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
Einstein failed to wear socks, and shaved with water, not shaving cream.  Case closed.

I did that for a week in upland Canada once.  I highly do not recommend it.  And I will add that the huge mosquitos there seem very attracted to oft-worn socks...

"It was a pretty difficult 7 days", Tom said weakly...