so lets open this can up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47117177
so to summarize, some years ago a friend of neesons was raped, by a black man she reported. When he found out he took a weapon and roamed the streets for a week following, hoping for the same black man to come out and attack him, so he could beat him in.
Now, some years later, people are using this as a claim of racism against him.
Theres also reports he was making racist remarks in his fueled raged at the time.
To me, I call bullshit on the huge claims of racism, at least in the way the papers are trying to perpetuate. He was angry, he had a vague picture of the one who did it, and he just wanted for a guy of the color matching the description to attack him first to take it out on him.
This is more of just another witch hunt to get attention from the reporters, because if you had the same situation of lets say idris elba, having a friend of his getting raped by a white man, and he was out prowling the streets hoping to get attacked by a white man and beat him in with a crowbar, if the story was that way around, it wouldn't be considered racist, and we all know thats how it would be.
the racism angle here is just a piss poor attempt by newspapers to get attention from the outrage culture thats prevalent today.
Worse. It encourages the idea that colored folk are privileged (to groom) girls, because White Men Bad and Orange Man Bad. And White men are encouraged to become passive cucks (which helps with their political-economic enslavement).
See slavery isn't bad, as long as a colored person is the master, or if the masters are color blind as to who they enslave. Grievance politics can morph into imaginary revenge politics. Who would benefit from a race war in the West? Hmmm?
Quote...and he just wanted for a guy of the color matching the description to attack him first to take it out on him.
You literally just described racism.
Quotethe racism angle here is just a piss poor attempt by newspapers to get attention from the outrage culture thats prevalent today.
He was intentionally looking for someone of a certain race, to kill someone of a certain race, because someone of that race harmed a friend...
But it's not racist, it's just the damned leftists!
Jesus christ dude.
Yeah, but most of his movies are revenge fantasies. Maybe he confused himself with his role? Mel Gibson comes to mind ;-(
Yes to be fair, if you know a person of a certain race did something, just grab someone who looks like that? No. But lynch mobs are fine if you are defending Native American drummers?
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I think the whole reason he admitted is he realised it was racist, and that he has changed... hence the reason, you know, he is saying he is no longer racist...
But he is a white male. He is got to be racist. It's the rules. ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on February 05, 2019, 09:55:27 PM
You literally just described racism.
Nope, I described someone who had vague details of the rapist, and since it was in a place that wouldn't have a lot of black people neeson looked for those matching the vague description.
Would it help thinking about it being a man who was the rapist? Cause that must knock off some points for acceptable moralising right?
QuoteHe was intentionally looking for someone of a certain race, to kill someone of a certain race, because someone of that race harmed a friend...
But it's not racist, it's just the damned leftists!
Jesus christ dude.
Hey if you want to make it a leftist thing that's up to you brah.
I'm just saying why the papers are doing this now and peoples reactions to it, which just proves the point I'm right about the witch hunt mentality.
There you have it.
A white supremacist, racist, far right, probably a Nazi, - remember Schindlers list?
Good grief, what?
Lets tar and feather the blighter.
Looks like that part about him saying he ashamed may have been overlooked by some. I can see that happening to lots of people. Admitting it on TV as a famous person takes balls bigger than mine. While saying he should be applauded would garner more admonishment than his statement that fact that if we speak the truth about a past issue and that we are sorry about it and then attacked, when IF he admitted the thing without saying he was sorry all the peeps would be demanding he apologize.
Kinda similar when a person steals something and the "victim" says, "if they would have asked I would have given it to them" when we all know that's bullshit.
QuoteNope, I described someone who had vague details of the rapist, and since it was in a place that wouldn't have a lot of black people neeson looked for those matching the vague description.
Yes... a vague detail... of his race... which he then proceeded to look for anyone of that same race to take it out on...
Totally not racist though.
He specified that he was looking for a black man to kill.
The actor said, after someone he knew was allegedly raped by a black attacker, he walked the streets hoping to kill some “black bastard†in revenge.
“I went up and down areas with a cosh (a club), hoping I’d be approached by somebody â€" I’m ashamed to say that â€" and I did it for maybe a week, hoping some ‘black bastard’ would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could kill him,â€
Quote from: Mermaid on February 06, 2019, 10:43:10 AM
He specified that he was looking for a black man to kill.
The actor said, after someone he knew was allegedly raped by a black attacker, he walked the streets hoping to kill some “black bastard†in revenge.
“I went up and down areas with a cosh (a club), hoping I’d be approached by somebody â€" I’m ashamed to say that â€" and I did it for maybe a week, hoping some ‘black bastard’ would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something, you know? So that I could kill him,â€
nothing said there suggests black hating bigot.
He was given a vague distribution of the rapist, a black man, by his friend. He went out to beat to death someone matching that description, a black man who he wanted to come at him and attack him so he could retaliate.
He didn't go attacking random black people on the street, he didn't go around calling every black person he saw a black bastard.
the only wrong thing here was the fact he wanted to beat someone to death instead of letting the criminal justice system handle it.
let me tell you a little story my aunt shared with me. You'd like my aunt, she virtue signals about herself being amazing and righteous all the time, so I think she'd get on well with people on this forum.
She hates liam neeson now after this story broke, her view on him is forever tainted, and she thinks he is now an evil racist bigot, once a racist bigot, always a racist bigot, she even said anyone whos ever commited the crime of racism can never change and will always be that way, same as if someone were a nazi, even if it was someone roped into the nazi party in germany against their will and had never killed or harmed anyone, that person will always be a nazi.
My aunt told me how she was walking back from the shops one day with bags of shopping, and passed a large black woman in the street. As she passed the large black woman refereed to my aunt as 'white trash', and my aunt proceeded to swing her bags at the woman telling 'black bastard'.
And yet heres my aunt today claiming liam neeson is an unforgivable racist who can never change.
my aunt is a dingbat, and doesn't think about what she's saying most of the time, only that what she says makes her look good.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 06, 2019, 09:27:38 AM
Yes... a vague detail... of his race... which he then proceeded to look for anyone of that same race to take it out on...
Totally not racist though.
But some are anti-White. But that isn't racist.
My mother, as a child, was made to attend a KKK lynching party. That was like 85 years ago. According to some, that is happening every day in the US, not just in 1932, but today also. Delusional paranoia. Some people are dangerous, like the "white" clothed feminists at the SOTU speech. Socialism will kill millions in the US. And all feminists want Communism, now! Islam also, go figure.
QuoteHe went out to beat to death someone matching that description, a black man who he wanted to come at him and attack him so he could retaliate.
Again... that is literally describing racism...
He was looking for someone of a certain race, to beat and kill, because he shared the same racial background as someone he was (rightfully) angry at.
Would you argue the Sikh temple shooter wasn't racist?
how fucking thick are you, much/pr
Quote from: Shiranu on February 06, 2019, 01:33:40 PM
Again... that is literally describing racism...
He was looking for someone of a certain race, to beat and kill, because he shared the same racial background as someone he was (rightfully) angry at.
Would you argue the Sikh temple shooter wasn't racist?
yes, a certain race, the race of the person who raped his friend.
and thats a stretch, even for you. The sikh temple shooter DID shoot and kill innocent people, with intent to kill. If it was even remotely the same, thing with neeson, he'd have been clubbing every black man he ran into, yet he wanted the one who raped his friend to attack him first so he could retaliate.
whats so hard for you to understand about this?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 06, 2019, 02:16:31 PM
how fucking thick are you, much/pr
Apparently smart enough to know the difference between someone riled up wanting to find a rapist to beat to death, and an actual mass shooter.
Quote from: Munch on February 06, 2019, 02:18:13 PM
Apparently smart enough to know the difference between someone riled up wanting to find a rapist to beat to death, and an actual mass shooter.
What the hell does a mass shooter have to do with what racism is? He was racist and somehow you're denying it. Yes he's made up for it since, but that doesn't mean it never happened and it definitely doesn't mean it wasn't racist.
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Quoteyes, a certain race, the race of the person who raped his friend.
Which is literally racism. You admitted it yourself when you asked what if he was black and targeting white people; you know damn fucking well it's racism but are such an ideologue that you will straight up say it is racism and then contradict yourself.
The comparison is this; Liam Neson went out, with a weapon, with the intention of harming someone based on their race, because he felt that race hurt someone he knew.
The fact that he didn't go through with it because the wrong person didn't look at him funny doesn't change that. He didn't end up being a killer like the Sikh shooter, but he was intending yo to. Intent is still intent, and forget race... That is just the law.
I saw an evil british guy in a movie last week. If I see one british guy, im gonna strangle him because of the stress the villian put me through.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 06, 2019, 03:05:46 PM
What the hell does a mass shooter have to do with what racism is? He was racist and somehow you're denying it. Yes he's made up for it since, but that doesn't mean it never happened and it definitely doesn't mean it wasn't racist.
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I don't like people because of X? Well, there are lots of X to choose from. Skin color being among the stupidest. Are y'all opposed to disliking some people for some reason (including disliking them all, for no apparent reason)? Or is your primary reason for disliking some people ... that they are stupid?
Some of you dislike neo-Nazis. Some of you dislike Communists. Or do we need to dislike someone for their individuality, not because some collective stereotype? Are y'all opposed to all stereotypes?
As a Jewish person, some of you might harbor a stereotype regarding me ... and you would be wrong, I am very unstereotypical. As an individual, you have seen a lot of me, and you might more reasonably judge me for that. But as another recently pointed out, I don't give a flea's ass for what other people think of me.
I see nothing wrong with disliking people, either all of them, or some of them or even just one of them. And I don't need any framework or other reason to justify how I feel or think or act. There is no morality (aka I have to have reasons for the former).
In my case, I happen to like all of you. But not equally. Live with that, or go fish.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 06, 2019, 04:35:18 PM
I saw an evil british guy in a movie last week. If I see one british guy, im gonna strangle him because of the stress the villian put me through.
You are't being ironic ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7gR7EYjcP8
You only wish, you were an evil Brit ;-)
That's "villain" not "villian". English not your primary language? ... bwahaha.
These are the emotions of a daughter's father ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYNHVljFHE
so beware. There are fathers ... everywhere!
Quote from: Munch on February 06, 2019, 02:16:58 PM
yes, a certain race, the race of the person who raped his friend.
and thats a stretch, even for you. The sikh temple shooter DID shoot and kill innocent people, with intent to kill. If it was even remotely the same, thing with neeson, he'd have been clubbing every black man he ran into, yet he wanted the one who raped his friend to attack him first so he could retaliate.
whats so hard for you to understand about this?
He wasn't looking for the black man who raped his friend. He was looking for any black man. What is so hard for you to understand about this?
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Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on February 06, 2019, 07:00:29 PM
He wasn't looking for the black man who raped his friend. He was looking for any black man. What is so hard for you to understand about this?
no, he was looking for any black man who would come at him and attack him. If he was looking for any black man, he's have attacked first.
Get how that works?
Quote from: Baruch on February 06, 2019, 06:06:55 PM
As a Jewish person, some of you might harbor a stereotype regarding me ..
are you a famous lousy jewish movie actor in real life?
Quote from: aitm on February 06, 2019, 07:25:39 PM
are you a famous lousy jewish movie actor in real life?
I don't have lice, have bed bugs. And they are all thespians, or is that lesbians ...
It is good to be the Baruch ;-)
Quote from: Munch on February 06, 2019, 07:13:40 PM
no, he was looking for any black man who would come at him and attack him. If he was looking for any black man, he's have attacked first.
Get how that works?
Yes, Neeson was stupid. He should have grabbed the first Democrat and pounded him ;-) All Black men might not be alike, but all Democrats are just alike. Pod people are like that ;-))
If I were him, since the President's SOTU speech showed such greater Presidential quality, and was widely liked ... he should go out and pound the first anti-MAGA he happens to find. Or Remoaner or Laborite if in Britain.
Going back and re-reading this I have to admit I kinda agree with Munch.....but lets break it down a bit.
Quote"I went up and down areas with a cosh, hoping I'd be approached by somebody
Did he go to a "black church"? No
Did he fly to a "black" country? No.
Did HE suggest he would "approach" somebody? No.
Did He suggest he would attack random black people? No.
He specifically said, "hoping to be approached by somebody" now you can argue the meaning of "approached" but it seems likely if he was "approached" by a guy pushing his kid in a baby buggy he wasn't going to attack and it seems unlikely if he was "approached" by an elderly couple walking down the street he would not attack.
Quotehoping some [uses air quotes with fingers] 'black bastard' would come out of a pub and have a go at me about something
,
that pretty much sums up the whole thing.....wanting a guy to come out and "have a go at me" so in effect hoping that a guy would exhibit a behavior consistent with being an "attacker".
Did he say he was looking for a street vendor selling apples? No
Did he say he was hoping for a father and son walking along the street so he could attach them? No.
I am not saying the guy is not racist. But I do think this was consistent with anyone looking for a possible person who is suspected of harming someone who also fits a certain criteria.
Liam Neeson is the secret Grand Dragon of the KKK ... hence his D party bonifides are more than secure ;-)
Quote from: Munch on February 06, 2019, 07:13:40 PM
no, he was looking for any black man who would come at him and attack him. If he was looking for any black man, he's have attacked first.
Get how that works?
is that somehow more ok?
Quote from: Mermaid on February 06, 2019, 08:27:20 PM
is that somehow more ok?
No of course not. All impure imperfect Morlocks should be eliminated. The Eloi demand all thought crime must be stopped now!
Quote from: Mermaid on February 06, 2019, 08:27:20 PM
is that somehow more ok?
Actually it is. Folks we have real racists and we have a guy who openly admits he got pissed off and was thinking of doing wrong...but did not. This is a big difference from the assholes that walk around patting everyone on the back and saying all the right things while doing everything they can to fuck over people of color.
I grew up a racist and may never be free of that early "brain-washing" and I have also warned my daughters boyfriend of that fact. But none-the-less many of us are honest about our past...those less honest are the ones we need to really worry about.
Quote from: Munch on February 06, 2019, 07:13:40 PM
no, he was looking for any black man who would come at him and attack him. If he was looking for any black man, he's have attacked first.
Get how that works?
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The point is that he was looking for any black person, not the particular black person who allegedly raped his friend.
Holy shit, Neeson’s story is supposed to be an anecdote about why racism is dangerous, and here you are being obtuse about one detail. Are you trolling on purpose, or are you actually this stupid?
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Quote from: aitm on February 06, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
Actually it is. Folks we have real racists and we have a guy who openly admits he got pissed off and was thinking of doing wrong...but did not. This is a big difference from the assholes that walk around patting everyone on the back and saying all the right things while doing everything they can to fuck over people of color.
I grew up a racist and may never be free of that early "brain-washing" and I have also warned my daughters boyfriend of that fact. But none-the-less many of us are honest about our past...those less honest are the ones we need to really worry about.
The next Republican SCOTUS nominee ... if he even thought of going to bed with anyone under any conditions, will be unacceptable.
Today's Dems are worse than Colonial Boston ... they all want to wear the (blue, not scarlet) letter (D, not A). And with all the hypocrisy of the preacher in that story.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on February 06, 2019, 08:39:15 PM
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The point is that he was looking for any black person,
partially correct my friend...he was looking for a black person to attack him...to "go at him" ...he was waiting for someone to make the move... in no part of his conversation (from what I read) did he suggest he was open to attacking random black people. I suggest this is a big difference. Again..the part about speaking the truth says a lot about a person.
It is very hard to be honest with yourself, if you are as ugly as Liam Neeson!
I'm no expert on common law, but it is my understanding that carrying around a weapon (not to mention spending a week looking for someone to "have a go at" him) would count as premeditation in the UK.
Quote from: Poison Tree on February 06, 2019, 11:24:23 PM
I'm no expert on common law, but it is my understanding that carrying around a weapon (not to mention spending a week looking for someone to "have a go at" him) would count as premeditation in the UK.
I would hope so, also in the US. Probably under some form of "aggravated assault"? More serious than being in a bar fight that you didn't start. Hence the first rule of Fight Club, is to not speak of Fight Club.
Quote from: Poison Tree on February 06, 2019, 11:24:23 PM
I'm no expert on common law, but it is my understanding that carrying around a weapon (not to mention spending a week looking for someone to "have a go at" him) would count as premeditation in the UK.
It certainly does in Texas anyways.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 06, 2019, 11:47:23 PM
It certainly does in Texas anyways.
Usually Texans prefer to drag retarded African-American men behind their pickup-truck until his body falls apart from road burn ;-(
A few years later, in Colorado, a Mara gang did that to an uncooperative girl dis-member ;-((
Oh Hijiri, you used a meme of a paranoid government stooge who almost killed an entire town in his paranoia that he was correct, until the hero robot who proved he was wrong saved the day.
It's funny you using that character as a meme in that context.
If the race was white, as in, Neeson was looking for a 'white bastard', there would be no story.
Quote from: Munch on February 07, 2019, 09:42:42 AM
Oh Hijiri, you used a meme of a paranoid government stooge who almost killed an entire town in his paranoia that he was correct, until the hero robot who proved he was wrong saved the day.
It's funny you using that character as a meme in that context.
Never mind the character. It's the words that count.
Quote from: Sal1981 on February 07, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
If the race was white, as in, Neeson was looking for a 'white bastard', there would be no story.
We'd hear all about it from PR and other right-wingers. When there are political points to be had, they're all over stuff like this. When it's racism that they tacitly approve of, on the other hand, it's a very different story.
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2019, 11:56:20 AM
We'd hear all about it from PR and other right-wingers. When there are political points to be had, they're all over stuff like this. When it's racism that they tacitly approve of, on the other hand, it's a very different story.
How liberal of you.
How many "right wingers" are on this forum?
Quote from: Hydra009 on February 07, 2019, 11:56:20 AM
We'd hear all about it from PR and other right-wingers. When there are political points to be had, they're all over stuff like this. When it's racism that they tacitly approve of, on the other hand, it's a very different story.
There aren't any right-wingers here (except Gilgamesh and a few other exiled persons). We just don't all buy into AOC as being the new Messiah.
And I don't know of anyone here, who is actually racist, tacit or otherwise. Are you, tacitly, a shape shifting reptilian? Innuendo, not a good thing.
Quote from: pr126 on February 07, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
Never mind the character. It's the words that count.
Context matters, it helps determine the real message.
Quote from: Baruch on February 06, 2019, 06:06:55 PM
or go fish.
No, you go fish. And I want all of your 8's.
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 07, 2019, 01:04:08 PM
No, you go fish. And I want all of your 8's.
What if I dress up as the Old Maid ... will you never pick me? ;-)
Quote from: Sal1981 on February 07, 2019, 10:58:51 AM
If the race was white, as in, Neeson was looking for a 'white bastard', there would be no story.
https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1093334572706623488?s=09
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Quote from: Sal1981 on February 07, 2019, 02:44:24 PM
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he obviously meant rapist, but same thing applies.
Quote from: Munch on February 07, 2019, 02:48:04 PM
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he obviously meant rapist, but same thing applies.
A. Yes, it would be.
B. Wow, how horrible that a social issue be talked about in society!
So I'm confused. Picking a fight with a random black person is not racist, but picking a fight with a random white person is? Seems strange to hold different conclusions based on the skin color of the perp/victim. If only there was some sort of term for that...
And the media holds double standards because in this thought experiment, the hypothetical racist isn't adequately covered by the hypothetical media? (how fortunate we are that it's only the media with this problem...)
Quote from: Shiranu on February 07, 2019, 03:51:58 PM
A. Yes, it would be.
Says you.
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B. Wow, how horrible that a social issue be talked about in society!
Only when it's convenient
I don't think anyone is saying that Liam Neeson is someone we have to worry about in terms of racism. He's definitely not the worst and we all have our hiccups.
The thing that is boggling my mind is that people are saying that it's not racist, though. Even if he isn't a racist, which I honestly don't think Liam Neeson is a racist, being ready for any altercation with any black guy to take his anger out on a specific person IS RACIST.
No matter how you slice it, it's racist. You don't have to be a bad person or a racist person to have a racist thought like that.
It's racist. Period. Full stop. Whether you want to argue whether this is something to jerk your moral highground dicks over on either side of this fence, that is another conversation. But the cut and dry of it is that what that was was a racist comment.
I personally highly doubt that Liam Neeson is a racist and I even more highly doubt that he is in any way a bad person, but that was a racist thing he was thinking and if he was still heated while in an argument/altercation with a black guy, might have actually carried out as he himself admitted.
Is he someone we need to worry about? Most likely absofuckinglutely not.
I think a dead horse is being beaten.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
I think a dead horse is being beaten.
Pretty much....but that is our M.O here. The fact that Liam brought it up in the first place is a pretty good indication the guy is not a racist. If someone found some old video of him bragging about it...well, it might be a different story.
If we are going to start punishing people for being honest about how they acted or did something 20-30 years ago instead of understanding WHY they are telling us then some of us aren't ready to help us all move forward.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 07, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
I think a dead horse is being beaten.
If it is a Black horse, then that is racisss
QuoteIf we are going to start punishing people for being honest about how they acted or did something 20-30 years ago instead of understanding WHY they are telling us then some of us aren't ready to help us all move forward.
I don't think that seems to be the problem here, though. The problem seems to be that what he did was inherently racist, he pretty much admits it was racist and regrets it... yet someone is so stuck in their way of being contrarian that they will argue that it wasn't ACTUALLY racist
There are things I said and did when I was younger that were most certainly racist and sexist; that was the culture I grew up in. I've changed and learned since then and hope that I am a better person now. If someone else is willing to admit they have changed as well, and there is no evidence that they are lying... I'm not going to hold that against them, especially since it was done in a fit of rage.
That said... it is a bit of a tight rope. He still, at the end of the day, went out looking to murder someone. That can't be completely brushed under the rug, and if he had gone through with it... it would be even harder to forgive him now. Should the intent to murder someone and the completion of murdering someone really hold a significant moral difference?
There are actually some really interesting philosophical and moral dilemmas this story presents that your post hints at and I would love to discuss, but instead we get idiots like pr and Munch (and more broadly, the Social Regressive ideologues) making it all about, "HuRr It'S nOt RaCiSt!!! StOp OpPrEsSiNg Me!".
That goes for almost all these topics nowadays; the actual meat of the subject at hand, or any interesting dialogue, gets buried under this conservative/regressive screaming that they are being oppressed because, god forbid, society try to make progress that doesn't even affect them. Everything has to be about them, and if it's not they will throw a hissy fit until people pay more attention to them than the subject at hand.
Quote from: aitm on February 07, 2019, 06:27:06 PM
Pretty much....but that is our M.O here. The fact that Liam brought it up in the first place is a pretty good indication the guy is not a racist. If someone found some old video of him bragging about it...well, it might be a different story.
If we are going to start punishing people for being honest about how they acted or did something 20-30 years ago instead of understanding WHY they are telling us then some of us aren't ready to help us all move forward.
thats something we can actually agree on then. Regardless of thoughts on if you think it was based on racism or not, the fact is he did it over 30 years ago, said what happened, and resolved his actions weren't in the right him (which I interpret as going out looking to bash someones head in).
QuoteThere are actually some really interesting philosophical and moral dilemmas this story presents that your post hints at and I would love to discuss, but instead we get idiots like pr and Munch (and more broadly, the Social Regressive ideologues) making it all about, "HuRr It'S nOt RaCiSt!!! StOp OpPrEsSiNg Me!".
oh stick a fucking soak in it already. You don't like or can't handle any kind of objective opinion to your own, even from when I first joined here, you've always been like this.
You never look for a middle ground in anything. And in a case like this, you just jump on the social media sheep like the rest of them. Bravo, how enlightened you must be.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 07, 2019, 08:06:04 PM
yet someone is so stuck in their way of being contrarian that they will argue that it wasn't ACTUALLY racist
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we might want to consider that while Liam Neeson is not racist, munch and pr might be and that is why this conversation is so immovable
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 07, 2019, 08:15:05 PM
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your not any better. even shinraru at least offers up something to argue against. All you end up falling back on is ad hominem.
and defaulting to racism remarks because you've nothing to go on.
Or do you want me to post images of me sucking off a darker skinned guys cock? If that proof enough for you?
Quote from: Munch on February 07, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
your not any better. even shinraru at least offers up something to argue against.
You never read anything to actually think about what is said and have glazed over everything EVERYONE has said, including everything I have said in this thread. And not just in this thread, every single fucking thread that you've blindly argued your pr-dick-sucking agenda in.
because if you did actually read and not jump to immediately argue so rashly like you do, you would know that I have stated my points very clearly and concisely.
But you don't, so there's that, and here we are yet again, just like all the other times.... once again.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 07, 2019, 08:19:52 PM
You never read anything to actually think about what is said and have glazed over everything EVERYONE has said, including everything I have said in this thread. And not just in this thread, every single fucking thread that you've blindly argued your pr-dick-sucking agenda in.
hey look I can change text font too. got something wrong with dick sucking now? thats pretty offensive, might want to check your privilege.
I will agree on this though, this is getting old now. So i'll leave this thread be, its all yours, this is just beating a dead horse at this point.
The dick sucking agenda remark was a reference to the conceptual and ego stroking type of dick sucking. Unless you are actually that dense that you can't even see that.
As unbeliever said, this is beating a dead horse. If you really want to argue that we're saying things we aren't and also argue things that are objectively a certain way is not how it quite blatantly is, which you can just read any of my posts, shiranu's posts, mermaid's posts, etc etc etc etc etc to read and remind yourself of what they are, you're dense. Objectively dense.
Quoteoh stick a fucking soak in it already. You don't like or can't handle any kind of objective opinion to your own, even from when I first joined here, you've always been like this.
You never look for a middle ground in anything. And in a case like this, you just jump on the social media sheep like the rest of them. Bravo, how enlightened you must be.
You know if I hadn't, in multiple threads and topics, said you (and even pr) had good points or issues that I agree with even if I don't agree with your solutions, that might actually have been some decent snark.
As it stands though... nope. I have multiple times agreed there are things we both agree on, to which I have been summarily ignored... or in several cases, you then begin arguing against me when I am agreeing with you.
Every time I go towards the middle ground, you want to shift it even further towards your side. So in that regard, I am perhaps not willing to seek middle ground with you... but it's because you insist on "middle ground" being 100% in agreement with you, and even then I have the feeling you would say I am wrong.
An LGBTQ horse at that.
(http://i1083.photobucket.com/albums/j390/jasontrice/beating-a-dead-horse_redux3.gif)
All posts here summarized ... Orange Man Bad. There are no gays, gamers or atheists here ... just pearl hugging politics junkies.
Granted I have not spent alot of time checking out the latest responses from the "general public" about this, but from the brief glimpse I saw there was more than enough people bashing him for being a racist today instead of actually understanding what he said, the time he said it happened, the reason he shared the story and his reticence since then and his last 20-30 years of positive interactions with people of color.
In all it looks like a dog pile on a guy who probably thought at the time his sharing the story was a good way to show how easy it can be to "become" racist but that we can all overcome it. Seem like the lesson got tossed out with the proverbial bath water.
He was promoting his new movie, which is a revenge fantasy. I don't know that the character he plays is racist or not. It was poorly chosen sharing in today's political lynch-mob environment.
Quote from: aitm on February 08, 2019, 09:37:16 AM
In all it looks like a dog pile on a guy who probably thought at the time his sharing the story was a good way to show how easy it can be to "become" racist but that we can all overcome it. Seem like the lesson got tossed out with the proverbial bath water.
If I was in his position, I would not admit the stupid things I did in my youth. Even if it wasn't racist, or gender related... you will be crucified for doing so. Those topics may make the backlash worse, but ultimately any stupid thing you did as a child will haunt you for the rest of your life if you don't bury it beyond anyone's remembrance.
Is that "right"? No. People should be allowed to change and we should admit we have skeletons in the closet rather than shaming people for them. But that's unfortunately not how the world has ever worked, at least as far as I am aware.
Beware when the lynch mob becomes un-virtual, and you see real people strung up. Best not to have a vast footprint in the Internet, when that goes down ;-(
Quote from: Shiranu on February 08, 2019, 03:54:15 PM
People should be allowed to change and we should admit we have skeletons in the closet rather than shaming people for them. But that's unfortunately not how the world has ever worked, at least as far as I am aware.
Absolutely, I cannot run for public office due to a rather popular at the time male behavior but turns out it is not an accepted behavior, though to be sure the "victims" never complained.....but also to be truthful, no one would have believed them. IF you can figure that out circa late 1970's you win the donut.
Quote from: aitm on February 08, 2019, 08:03:58 PM
Absolutely, I cannot run for public office due to a rather popular at the time male behavior but turns out it is not an accepted behavior, though to be sure the "victims" never complained.....but also to be truthful, no one would have believed them. IF you can figure that out circa late 1970's you win the donut.
You wore a leisures suit to the disco?
Quote from: Baruch on February 08, 2019, 09:13:46 PM
You wore a leisures suit to the disco?
LOL...not related to the point HOWEVER.. I did do blue patent leather shoes with a one piece leather jumpsuit as a lead singer in a 50's mock up band in central Michigan in the mid 70's. We were never that good to make the news so you will never find us on goggle. We were the original "boogy brothers". NOT related to ANY boogie brothers you will find on google. So there!
I often wore costumes that my mom arranged as a kid, Sometimes I was Frankensteins' monster, Withe serious green face paint. But I was never black. Because green was OK because no one was actually green.
But the not-weird thing is that we were never red, yellow, or black. Only colors we humans didn't have.
Yeah, like purple - "I love purple people," said the one-eyed one-horned flying purple-people eater.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9H_cI_WCnE
Oh, that was GREAT! And yes I do remember it. And The Little Blue Man and Does Your Bubble Gum Lose Flavor On The Bedpost Overnight... LOL!
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 19, 2019, 03:31:20 PM
Yeah, like purple - "I love purple people," said the one-eyed one-horned flying purple-people eater.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9H_cI_WCnE
One of my grandfather's business partners, he was a psycho who only wore purple. His car and house was purple too. This same guy, he made the first radio porn broadcast back in the 30s. he had sex with a lady on a table, while the mike was on ;-)
And I hope everyone realizes that the Minnesota Vikings were the Purple People Eaters....................
Quote from: Baruch on February 19, 2019, 04:55:09 PM
One of my grandfather's business partners, he was a psycho who only wore purple. His car and house was purple too. This same guy, he made the first radio porn broadcast back in the 30s. he had sex with a lady on a table, while the mike was on ;-)
I guess you had to be there...
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 19, 2019, 05:21:21 PM
And I hope everyone realizes that the Minnesota Vikings were the Purple People Eaters....................
Well, "everybody" doesn't, since I didn't.
But I'm much better now! LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 19, 2019, 05:23:25 PM
Well, "everybody" doesn't, since I didn't.
But I'm much better now! LOL
You have now been completed!!
Resistance was futile.
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 19, 2019, 05:22:50 PM
I guess you had to be there...
That was back in the days of Amos & Andy. Before my time.
Quote from: Baruch on February 19, 2019, 09:30:03 PM
That was back in the days of Amos & Andy. Before my time.
I remember Amos and Andy on both the radio and TV. My grandmother loved The Guiding Light, Young Dr. Malone and Our Gal Sunday. And she let me listen to The Lone Ranger, The Cisco Kid, and the Whistler. My dad listened to Gunsmoke on the radio. And The Friday Night Fights with Gillette. My mom listened to music, which included lots of country and western. My first remembered concert was to see T. Texas Tyler (most famous hit was Deck of Cards). Older than dirt.........................
Quote from: Mike Cl on February 19, 2019, 05:21:21 PM
And I hope everyone realizes that the Minnesota Vikings were the Purple People Eaters....................
I remember that. And I remember when the Washington team (whose name I will never mention again) were The Hogs.