God has created diverse human beings to live in this tiny global village of one family. Creation by its very nature is diverse with different species, different communities, different cultures and languages. These differences represent the beauty and wonder but diversity is sometimes not fully appreciated, resulting in all sorts of clashes. The British society and Establishment must learn to respect and accommodate others, as if in a family.
Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds â€" cultural, philosophical and religious â€" so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. Multi-Culturalism is even more important and crucial after 9/11 and 7/7. Muslim youths are also likely to feel alienated by a focus on shared Brutishness, rather than multicultural diversity. Rather than promoting a single British “us†teaching should acknowledge that “us†can be diverse and plural. Children should be encouraged to explore differences in appearance, history and religion to reduce social and educational fears.
People are people, regardless of where they were born, what colour their skin is, or whatever religion. All deserve respect. Tolerance in Sweden/Britain is an illusion. The problem isn't immigrants not adapting to British culture, it's Brits showing much disrespect and scorn to those who are of any immigrant background. even if an immigrant was well versed in English, knew the customs etc. would they still get employment? No. Would Brits treat them as a decent human? No. So why would they want to assimilate into a culture that is constantly tearing them down? Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society.
A vast majority of people in this world just want to live their lives with their families and friends, and don't give a hoot about what other people do, as long as they can go on with their families and friends. I find it almost impossible to believe that most Muslims want to kill people who don't share their views. The matter at hand is how to change the mind-set of people so a higher percentage does not turn to violence. One should not lump all individuals of any particular Faith in with the violent actions of a few misguided individuals who USE Religion to justify their violent actions. Every now and then a Muslim kills in the US and some people jump on ALL Muslims, as though WHITES, CHRISTIANS or otherwise, do not kill. They forget that non-Muslim killing far outnumbers Muslim killing in the US. They call for the expulsion of Muslims. The BEST SOLUTION would be for all FOREIGNERS to go back to their roots and return the country to the original AMERICAN NATIVES. Is this not a FAIR PROPOSAL? LOL! You white Christians have destroyed the Native Americans and it is only fair and right that YOU be destroyed by other communities.
A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".
CHRISTIANS should be encouraged to marry Muslims as a way of tackling Islamophobia, a senior peer claimed today. Lord Scott, a former Supreme Court Judge, cited his own family - in which two of his four children married Muslims - as an example of how interfaith families can thrive. The peer, who sits as a crossbencher in the Lords, made the comments during a debate on how to improve relations between the Muslim community and other faith groups in the UK. He said: "Of my two sons one has become a Muslim and of my two daughters one of those has become a Muslim, and I have 12 lovely grandchildren, seven of whom are little Muslims..."I do just wonder that if an improvement is needed between the faith groups, one way of promoting that might be to encourage interfaith marriages."
Why complain when it’s the British who first migrated into other lands enslaving those people? When it is a question on immigration, the feelings are so strong. I wonder why. Serves you right! Britain! When the British colonised the world, it was ok. But now when people from the former colonies and from other countries come to Britain, its not ok?
Look into history and then you can cry because what goes around comes around. Don't see why people have such a problem with mass immigration? It enriches our culture and boosts the economy! We have to stop looking at these people as immigrants and think of them as human beings. The immigrants are not to blame because they were invited and welcomed here by our successive government. We have quite large Spanish , French and Italian communities in Brighton and I believe it really enhances the place and adds to diversity of the City. Globalisation is here to stay. Britain colonised & some would say civilised half the world. It's called Karma. Not so long ago British people colonized Asia, living like kings while locals suffering to no end. At least, these migrants do not enslave the Britons, so stop whining please.
The native Brits must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. You have failed to respect and tolerate Black community, who speaks your language, share your culture and faith. English, Irish, Welsh and Scott hate each other, sharing the same culture, faith and language. It is difficult for you to accept, respect and tolerate Muslims with different culture, languages and FAITH. You have no choice but to accept them for your own survival. The number of Muslims is on the increase because of immigration, high birth rate and conversion. By the end of this century, nearly 50% of British population would be Muslim.
Stop treating foreigners like garbage and they will stop ruining your precious country. Why did you let them in in the first place if you didn't want them here? They left everything in their countries because of your promises. Are you so anxious to please that you can't say "no"? I would love to see you go to a foreign land where you don't have any friends, you don't even know anyone and you don't speak the language, and start from scratch.
Muslim Community needs Masajid, state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers, halal meat, sharia laws, time off for Friday afternoon prayers in the Masjid, two official religious holidays per year and Muslim cemeteries. Muslim community is a part and parcel of the western society. The number of Muslims is on the increase because of never ending Muslim migration, high birth rate and conversion.
You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands. British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. Prince Charles, while visiting the first grant maintained Muslim school in north London, said that the pupils would be the future ambassadors of Islam. But what about thousands of others, who attend state schools deemed to be "sink schools"? In education, there should be a choice and at present it is denied to the Muslim community. In the late 80s and early 90s, when I floated the idea of Muslim community schools, I was declared a "school hijacker" by an editorial in the Newham Recorder newspaper in east London. This clearly shows that the British media does not believe in choice and diversity in the field of education and has no respect for those who are different. Muslim schools, in spite of meager resources, have excelled to a further extent this year, with couple of schools achieving 100% A-C grades for five or more GCSEs. They beat well resourced state and independent schools in Birmingham and Hackney. Muslim schools are doing better because a majority of the teachers are Muslim. The pupils are not exposed to the pressures of racism, multiculturalism and bullying.
Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. Parent-run schools will give the diversity, the choice and the competition that the wealthy have in the private sector. Parents can perform a better job than the Local Authority because parents have a genuine vested interest. The Local Authority simply cannot be trusted.
Indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. These are the reasons why majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Only less than 5% attend Muslim schools and more than 95% keep on attending state and church schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers.
The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos. Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith. Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities. There is a belief among ethnic minority parents that the British schooling does not adequately address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response. State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored.
There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.
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http://www.londonschoolofislamics.org.uk
I remember you from your periodic posts on OCRT Forum. Sorry things are so iffy for Britain and for your subculture there.
Colonization won't work, unless you intend to kill the natives.
I remember this fellow from Faithfreedom.org where he was banned long ago.
A Muslim activist and I don't think he will be here for long.
Prepare for long posts, pretty much the same thing repeated ad nauseam.
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Cut and paste merchant.
I refuse to waste time reading all that. I'd rather look at cute cat videos.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 19, 2019, 01:08:12 PM
I refuse to waste time reading all that. I'd rather look at cute cat videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vEJlwpc8WQ
Why does Iftikhar have only one post, but his post count is 36?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 19, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
Why does Iftikhar have only one post, but his post count is 36?
AF had several crashes with no possibility of recovery.
I wonder if there is a backup facility at present?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 19, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
Why does Iftikhar have only one post, but his post count is 36?
On OCRT he would only drop in, with the same message each time, once a year. He goes back to 2006 here, if the data is correct.
He did discuss with me just one time. I argued from general immigration points, and the American experience (we have Muslims, but few want apartheid, because most are African-American Muslims, not recently from the ME or Pakistan).
Of course.....ole god made all the worlds and all the lil creatures like the lil bunny wabbit and all us peoples of multiple flavors..er..colors and then says..Look at all I have done for you. I have given you all that you need. Everything here is for you....all you have to do it to worship, adore and sing my praises.
Oh...and in order to survive you have to kill and eat each other..ha-ha
ha-ha
ha-ha-ha..
LOLOLOLOL
BUHAHAHAHA
I'll be honest, I even agreed with the gist of what I read (a couple paragraphs in), but holy shit dude... not even I am reading that wall of text.
Quote from: Iftikhar on January 19, 2019, 10:44:27 AM
God has created diverse human beings
That right there is simply a wishful statement (was going to say 'thinking' but this guy is not capable of that). No need to read any further to know this guy is simply another theist that is full of shit that he thinks does not stink.
According to the urban dictionary, Iftikhar is "a name of Arabic origin, but most commonly used in Persia and the Indian subcontinent: it means "that which creates pride." In Arabic it is a feminine name, in Persian/Urdu it is masculine. Also the name of the most magical young man in the world."
A magical name for a magical thinker, I guess.
(In my best Barney Fife voice) He's a nut.
I think the OP's definition of multiculturalism holds: that it's not about assimilation, but about respect and equality. However, one cannot, as the OP does, compare a multicultural entity to a family. The family is perhaps the most violent institution there is. There is very little room for dissent in a family. There's also very little room in the larger social world for critiques directed against the family. Being the primary social unit in most cultures, the family is a well-entrenched idea, often defended violently. If we are urging nation-states to be multicultural, we should also urge families to be more democratic. Otherwise, we cannot really compare the multicultural impulse with the institution of family. (Source: Social Theory: The Multicultural, Global, and Classic Readings (https://www.bartleby.com/textbooks/social-theory-the-multicultural-global-and-classic-readings-6th-edition/9780813350028/solutions))
Multiculturalism claims that all cultures are equal and should be respected as such.
There are cultures where women are second class, can be beaten, raped, stoned, genitals mutilated, put in a burka and left uneducated.
A culture that hates any other culture than its own.
Should we respect that culture as equals?
You will be surprised to learn that we do, and respect above all other cultures, including our own.
Quote from: pr126 on January 22, 2019, 02:23:50 AM
Multiculturalism claims that all cultures "should" be equal and should be respected as such.
Multiculturism supports diversity which can be a negative as well as a plus. The cons are that not all cultures sees the problem in their ways and that causes riffs with another. Culture shock may be a part of it, but its mostly the product of superiority complexes, religious bigots, and nutjobs.
That is not what I wrote.
This is:
“Multiculturalism claims that all cultures are equal and should be respected as such.â€
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 19, 2019, 01:25:47 PM
Why does Iftikhar have only one post, but his post count is 36?
His account was created in 2006, so his other posts were probably made before the forum wipe.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 19, 2019, 08:17:03 PM
That right there is simply a wishful statement (was going to say 'thinking' but this guy is not capable of that). No need to read any further to know this guy is simply another theist that is full of shit that he thinks does not stink.
Yup. I tuned out after the first sentence of the OP
Quote from: Youssuf Ramadan on February 14, 2019, 01:58:03 PM
Yup. I tuned out after the first sentence of the OP
Iftaikhar is a special pleader for social/educational ghettos for Muslims in England. Because the English are infidels who are a threat to the virginity of the Muslim daughters.
Diversity is our strength!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-RfWz1W8Y
Quote“Multiculturalism claims that all cultures are equal and should be respected as such.â€
And that's not what multiculturalism claims, at least not in America nor in academia.
Yes, all cultures are equally valid, but that does not mean that, say, female genital mutilation should be respected in Western society. We have to understand where they are coming from, and that to them it may make sense, but that does not mean that things that fundamentally clash with our ethics should be permissible.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 15, 2019, 01:11:15 AM
And that's not what multiculturalism claims, at least not in America nor in academia.
Yes, all cultures are equally valid, but that does not mean that, say, female genital mutilation should be respected in Western society. We have to understand where they are coming from, and that to them it may make sense, but that does not mean that things that fundamentally clash with our ethics should be permissible.
"Who the hell care's what it claims when we can instead be angry about what we insist it claims!211111!!!!"
-the conservative dolts
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 15, 2019, 01:12:46 AM
"Who the hell care's what it claims when we can instead be angry about what we insist it claims!211111!!!!"
-the conservative dolts
Actually, it is you who is angry by the look of it. So angry, that you need to comment. :-)
Quote from: pr126 on February 15, 2019, 01:30:37 AM
Actually, it is you who is angry by the look of it. So angry, that you need to comment. :-)
If it makes you feel better, you can think I'm angry.
I just find it humorous, though.
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Quote from: Shiranu on February 15, 2019, 01:11:15 AM
And that's not what multiculturalism claims, at least not in America nor in academia.
Yes, all cultures are equally valid, but that does not mean that, say, female genital mutilation should be respected in Western society. We have to understand where they are coming from, and that to them it may make sense, but that does not mean that things that fundamentally clash with our ethics should be permissible.
FGM Not only respected but banning FGM is unconstitutional, according to US court.
At least in Michigan.
US law banning female genital mutilation declared unconstitutional (https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/nov/20/us-female-genital-mutilation-detroit-michigan-unconstitutional)
But it is a religious practice, not cultural.
Islamic Law on Female Circumcision (https://answering-islam.org/Sharia/fem_circumcision.html)
In the case of Islam religion drives culture.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on February 15, 2019, 01:34:57 AM
If it makes you feel better, you can think I'm angry.
I just find it humorous, though.
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Whatever. I don't think you are amused.
Quote from: pr126 on February 15, 2019, 01:43:51 AM
Whatever. I don't think you are amused.
If I wasn't amused, I wouldn't be here and I would have banned you by now for trolling.
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Quote from: pr126 on February 15, 2019, 01:42:54 AM
FGM Not only respected but banning FGM is unconstitutional, according to US court.
At least in Michigan.
US law banning female genital mutilation declared unconstitutional (https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/nov/20/us-female-genital-mutilation-detroit-michigan-unconstitutional)
But it is a religious practice, not cultural.
Islamic Law on Female Circumcision (https://answering-islam.org/Sharia/fem_circumcision.html)
In the case of Islam religion drives culture.
Not true. It is cultural, both male and female circumcision. Islam didn't support, as a religion (but they have no Pope) African cultural practices. In fact, Arabs would naturally feel racially superior to Africans. Though all Semites, including Arabs, have been doing male circumcision for 4 millennia.
Would a US court, ban as a cultural or religious icon, the Ubangi practice of lip plates? Probably not. We have both freedom of religion, and freedom for scarification like tongue studs.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 15, 2019, 01:11:15 AM
And that's not what multiculturalism claims, at least not in America nor in academia.
Yes, all cultures are equally valid, but that does not mean that, say, female genital mutilation should be respected in Western society. We have to understand where they are coming from, and that to them it may make sense, but that does not mean that things that fundamentally clash with our ethics should be permissible.
In terms of social approval you are right. But that doesn't mean it translates to laws banning a cultural practice. In the case of peyote, a way was found to allow legal drug use by Native Americans. But it isn't open to non-Native Americans. Which isn't fair, is it? But it is pragmatic.
There are a fair number of people who still disapprove of abortion, adultery, gay sex etc ... and we are lucky that doesn't automatically translate into legal sanction, in spite of historic norms. The ethical sensitivity of SJWs? The horror!
OK, if it not a religious practise, why is it written in the Sharia Law as I have provided as evidence?
Muhammad, the perfect prophet should have forbidden these pagan “cultural†practises.
But he endorsed them.
Therefore it is a religious practise. And in Islam, religion drives the culture.
Islam is a complete way of life for Muslims.
Quote from: pr126 on February 15, 2019, 03:17:29 AM
OK, if it not a religious practise, why is it written in the Sharia Law as I have provided as evidence?
Muhammad, the perfect prophet should have forbidden these pagan “cultural†practises.
But he endorsed them.
Therefore it is a religious practise. And in Islam, religion drives the culture.
Islam is a complete way of life for Muslims.
Sharia is bullshit, scripture is bullshit, Hadith are bullshit. There was no Muhammad. The point is political power, and from that desire, comes 100% lies. If the Arabs had been consistent, they would have never allowed female circumcision, but in politics, there is no need for complete consistency. The fictional Muhammad was a feminist. The Caliphate would have embraced Judaism or Christianity if they had needed that to win, but inventing a new religion is what they chose, and it worked brilliantly. Jew and Christians were seen as useful idiots at best, Fifth columnists at worse (and are still seen that way). Essentially the Quran is a fictional political tract to justify the position of the early Umayyad Caliphate in Damascus. As the whole question of the original Mecca and original Qiblah proves.
If you weren't an atheist, you would see the Islam is a political system disguised as a religion, rather than a religion disguised as a political system. Some here might approve of Islam (and not just 3rd wave Feminists) if it were just another totalitarian ideology. The point is for the psychopathic monkeys to fight over who achieves absolute power. Stalin vs Hitler again and again.
To be fair, and to remind ... Moses and Jesus are complete bullshit. Totalitarianism arises from the failure of humanity as a species, mediated by endless variants of failed messiahs.
I do see Islam as a political system. Always have been, always will be.
The thin veneer of religion is the cohesive force added to control the Muslims.
It is designed for conquest and looting by a genocidal warlord.
57 Islamic states to date. There will be more.
Why are Muslims so eager to get a foot into the political estabilishment?
To work for Islam first and foremost from within.
Their allegiance is not for America. Don’t kid yourself.
Watch those new Muslim congresswomen, they are already working for the advance of Islam.
They are plants. Same as Huma was.
Should put a ban on all GM, both the male and female variant. They're equally stupid religious traditions.
QuoteBut it is a religious practice, not cultural.
In the case of Islam religion drives culture.
First, religion IS culture. Always has been, always will be. Islam doesn't have some sort of unique status as being the only religion that is cultural...
Secondly, FGM is not even remotely unique to Islam, nor is it something that is practiced that much outside of Western Africa, the Horn of Africa, and Malaysia.
In the countries that do practice it, especially on a large scale, the percentage of Christians that also mutilate their daughters is almost always the exact same as the Muslim population... and that is because this tradition predates the arrival of Abrahamic religions.
A like-for-like comparison would be saying that the African witch burnings is Christianities' fault; while it's true it is done in Christianities' name, the tradition goes back to their pagan times when magic was a large part of their culture and used to explain why people got sick, lost their crop, or any other ailment. The practice is explained in Christian terms now, but it wasn't brought to Africa by the Christians.
The point of saying that isn't to say it's okay... it's to say that, if you were to remove Islam, Christianity, "religion" from those countries instantaneously, right now, the practice would still continue. If Islam and Christianity had never been introduced it would still be a problem. So given those two facts... it's better to focus on the actual problem rather than blame the wrong thing.
The same can be see in Muslim immigrants to Europe and America; FGM is not a real problem amongst Saudi, Pakistani, Iranian, Iraqi, Afghani populations but more amongst Somali, Sudanese, Liberian, etc. populations.