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Title: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on January 15, 2019, 07:59:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu3p7dxrhl8

Quite a nice effort.  Each unit is a division (Soviet divisions were weaker and smaller than the German ones).
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Minimalist on January 16, 2019, 01:10:00 AM
Nice piece  of work.. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on January 16, 2019, 01:51:08 AM
Nice piece  of work.. Thanks for posting.

I guess he gets volunteers to help.  So 3 more years to post, 43-45.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Minimalist on January 16, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
It will keep him out of trouble. 
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on January 16, 2019, 08:38:25 PM
Yet another W Europe vs E Europe war ... the 1979 crazy plan of the Warsaw Pact ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvMm4Uh3HPs

The animation at the end shows a retaliatory strike by Tomahawk-type cruise missiles,which I worked on at that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_disarmament#/media/File:US_and_USSR_nuclear_stockpiles.svg

Peak stress was 1979, when the USSR surpassed the US in nuclear warheads for the first time.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2019, 10:50:58 PM
More  from the same excellent author ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pucJTYK7_Yo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA9QBHDtfCQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AUdP-QVEKA
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 24, 2019, 11:53:51 PM
More  from the same excellent author ...



Pretty standard stuff.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2019, 08:27:17 AM
Pretty standard stuff.

The animation.  Were you expecting Hitler's hideout in Argentina?

What should impress, is that I remember a post from 8 months ago, that needed extension, and when the links became available, I provided them.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 12:56:59 AM
The animation.  Were you expecting Hitler's hideout in Argentina?

What should impress, is that I remember a post from 8 months ago, that needed extension, and when the links became available, I provided them.

No Hitler died by suicide.  I'm not much on conspiracy theories.  What links are you referring to? Or to be proper, to which links are you referring?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 27, 2019, 02:07:31 AM
No Hitler died by suicide.  I'm not much on conspiracy theories.  What links are you referring to? Or to be proper, to which links are you referring?

I was alluding on the Hitler side.  So you don't appreciate the great unit animation?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 02:13:13 AM
I was alluding on the Hitler side.  So you don't appreciate the great unit animation?

You "suggested" Hitler escaped.  Are you now denying that?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 27, 2019, 02:16:00 AM
You "suggested" Hitler escaped.  Are you now denying that?

You focus on the wrong things.  My jokes are your primary focus.  My serious points (great animation) are without comment.  Could be your inbuilt New England hatred, which came from your inbuilt English dissenter sociopathy.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 02:21:47 AM
You focus on the wrong things.  My jokes are your primary focus.  My serious points (great animation) are without comment.  Could be your inbuilt New England hatred, which came from your inbuilt English dissenter sociopathy.

When you ever say anything serious, I focus on that hoping for more serious discussion.  I know you have it in you.

Your jokes are YOUR primary focus and I regret that.  I continue to think you could do better.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 27, 2019, 02:23:57 AM
When you ever say anything serious, I focus on that hoping for more serious discussion.  I know you have it in you.

Your jokes are YOUR primary focus and I regret that.  I continue to think you could do better.

Without the jokes, I would call for the extermination of the other members here (sarc).  You really don't want to hear my Primal Screams.  And we occasionally hit it off (on accident).  We are both mature people, so we have something to say.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 02:29:45 AM
Without the jokes, I would call for the extermination of the other members here (sarc).  You really don't want to hear my Primal Screams.  And we occasionally hit it off (on accident).  We are both mature people, so we have something to say.

I'll support a Primal Scream from time to time.  Just say it is before and I'll accept it.  Sometimes I want to scream too.  Both history and current events deserve screams of frustration and objections to stupidity.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 27, 2019, 02:34:32 AM
I'll support a Primal Scream from time to time.  Just say it is before and I'll accept it.  Sometimes I want to scream too.  Both history and current events deserve screams of frustration and objections to stupidity.

See, convergent personal development, if not convergent evolution (I don't hibernate).
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 27, 2019, 02:38:06 AM
See, convergent personal development, if not convergent evolution (I don't hibernate).

Well, I tend to think you are gradually coming around to my way of thinking, but OK...
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 27, 2019, 07:49:32 AM
Well, I tend to think you are gradually coming around to my way of thinking, but OK...

We are both advancing to equal corpse state.  But I am in no hurry ;-)
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 28, 2019, 12:18:32 AM
We are both advancing to equal corpse state.  But I am in no hurry ;-)

Regardless of age, one never knows when anyone will reach corpsehood...
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 28, 2019, 01:30:45 AM
Regardless of age, one never knows when anyone will reach corpsehood...

I prefer it to be a surprise too.  Any day now, given my health.  But I intend to fight back anew, now that I am out of the rat race.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 28, 2019, 01:39:43 AM
I prefer it to be a surprise too.  Any day now, given my health.  But I intend to fight back anew, now that I am out of the rat race.

Surprise can be good.  Both my parents struggled through Parkinson's and Dementia (1 each) and I don't desire to go either way.  The problem is that when you get there, there isn't much you are able to do about it.  You can check out a day before or wait a day too late.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 28, 2019, 02:00:30 AM
Surprise can be good.  Both my parents struggled through Parkinson's and Dementia (1 each) and I don't desire to go either way.  The problem is that when you get there, there isn't much you are able to do about it.  You can check out a d iay before or wait a day too late.


Wisdom is always a day late and a dollar short.  My dad checked out.  My mother did not.  Tragedy either way.  Speaking of relations, I just studied some public record on one of my great grandfathers.  He was a latter rancher pioneer.  Founded his horse/mule/cattle ranch in 1906 in the almost tame West.  Come post WW II, the Army declared the area around his ranch, to be eminent domain.  Think Ponderosa for real.  For range safety.  GGpap refused.  Held the marshals off at gun point.  Held the Army off at gun point.  My grandfather talked him down eventually.  They gave him a check for one million dollars in today's money.  GGpap never cashed it.  He was 82 at the time.  Grandfather and wife provided assisted living at the ranch (they let him keep the house and a few acres temporarily).  A few years later he developed pneumonia and had to leave the ranch.  Two years after that he died at 91.  Perhaps when the will was probated, the million dollars (in today's money) was cashed.


He came by wagon, 1000 miles, to homestead.  Built a successful ranch and family.  In the end, due to nothing that could be forseen, he lost it all.  Couldn't even die on his ranch like he wanted.  The Army did let him be buried there.  Then they destroyed what was left of the ranch buildings.  Count no man happy until he is dead - ancient Athenian saying.


Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 28, 2019, 02:05:00 AM

Wisdom is always a day late and a dollar short.  My dad checked out.  My mother did not.  Tragedy either way.  Speaking of relations, I just studied some public record on one of my great grandfathers.  He was a latter rancher pioneer.  Founded his horse/mule/cattle ranch in 1906 in the almost tame West.  Come post WW II, the Army declared the area around his ranch, to be eminent domain.  Think Ponderosa for real.  For range safety.  GGpap refused.  Held the marshals off at gun point.  Held the Army off at gun point.  My grandfather talked him down eventually.  They gave him a check for one million dollars in today's money.  GGpap never cashed it.  He was 82 at the time.  Grandfather and wife provided assisted living at the ranch (they let him keep the house and a few acres temporarily).  A few years later he developed pneumonia and had to leave the ranch.  Two years after that he died at 91.  Perhaps when the will was probated, the million dollars (in today's money) was cashed.

I respect all of your ancestors in that situation. 


He came by wagon, 1000 miles, to homestead.  Built a successful ranch and family.  In the end, due to nothing that could be forseen, he lost it all.  Couldn't even die on his ranch like he wanted.  The Army did let him be buried there.  Then they destroyed what was left of the ranch buildings.  Count no man happy until he is dead - ancient Athenian saying.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 28, 2019, 02:19:51 AM
Ask any of my grandfathers, or their fathers before them.  There are no real men in America.  Toxic masculinity.  Even my own father was wild in his youth, but not longer, after he got married, he was tamed ;-)  Intellectually, I am way ahead of any of them, partially because of better technology (Internet).  I would have had a son, a brain in a jar, but they were out of jars.

My daughter was on the way to being way smart, but puberty destroyed her mind.  Otherwise a probably brain surgeon.  Biology is very clear on what girls are for.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 28, 2019, 02:29:42 AM
Ask any of my grandfathers, or their fathers before them.  There are no real men in America.  Toxic masculinity.  Even my own father was wild in his youth, but not longer, after he got married, he was tamed ;-)  Intellectually, I am way ahead of any of them, partially because of better technology (Internet).  I would have had a son, a brain in a jar, but they were out of jars.

My daughter was on the way to being way smart, but puberty destroyed her mind.  Otherwise a probably brain surgeon.  Biology is very clear on what girls are for.

You make my heart speed up.  In anger.  If I spoke honestly, I would probably be banned...
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 28, 2019, 03:06:47 AM
You make my heart speed up.  In anger.  If I spoke honestly, I would probably be banned...

Me too.  And I don't want to see an old bear in spandex flying around.  I will get out my German 88 mm anti-aircraft gun.  Ah … fine German engineering.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 28, 2019, 04:39:24 AM
Me too.  And I don't want to see an old bear in spandex flying around.  I will get out my German 88 mm anti-aircraft gun.  Ah … fine German engineering.

I don't even wear shorts or sandals.  More into solid full length clothes (anti-moquito) and sensible shoes.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: aileron on August 28, 2019, 09:34:06 PM
Spoiler alert... Stalin's bullet catcher plan beat Hitler's popsicle plan. Better not to be a bullet catcher or popsicle, but -- Stalin and Hitler.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 29, 2019, 06:23:42 AM
Not to bring the subject back to the subject (in violation of informal forum rules) but forum.axishistory.com folks say the map is accurate if you follow Hitler, not so much if you believe his generals. And the implication of a contiguous front got a chuckle or two.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 29, 2019, 09:55:09 AM
Not to bring the subject back to the subject (in violation of informal forum rules) but forum.axishistory.com folks say the map is accurate if you follow Hitler, not so much if you believe his generals. And the implication of a contiguous front got a chuckle or two.

Post war German story is apologetic (generals right, Hitler wrong, we were never Nazis).

During war Soviet story is propaganda (Stalin was a great military leader).

It is hard to determine what actually happened, beyond lots of corpses.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 29, 2019, 09:57:04 AM
Depends on how closely you study the material.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 29, 2019, 06:02:30 PM
Depends on how closely you study the material.

There are humanitarian groups in Russia now, going to the battlefields and digging up countless corpses that were never properly recovered.  Dead men do tell tales.  But you aren't one of those corpses, so what story can you tell?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 29, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
There are humanitarian groups in Russia now, going to the battlefields and digging up countless corpses that were never properly recovered.  Dead men do tell tales.  But you aren't one of those corpses, so what story can you tell?
Well, I started studying WWII the year Rise and Fall of the Third Reich came out in paperback. I was in the sixth grade then. Been learning everything I can since then. Spent fourteen years at Purdue studying the topic. Got my Master in History based on that work, and would have gotten my Ph.D. if my heart hadn't militated against further study. I'm owner emeritus of Hyperwar. Anything else you need? [Awaiting inane response as per your norm.]
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 30, 2019, 09:27:30 AM
Well, I started studying WWII the year Rise and Fall of the Third Reich came out in paperback. I was in the sixth grade then. Been learning everything I can since then. Spent fourteen years at Purdue studying the topic. Got my Master in History based on that work, and would have gotten my Ph.D. if my heart hadn't militated against further study. I'm owner emeritus of Hyperwar. Anything else you need? [Awaiting inane response as per your norm.]

Yes, I agree that you are a scholar on this.  But I don't think scholarship equals the experience of the soldier in the field.  Scholars write histories, for their masters.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 30, 2019, 12:06:25 PM
Yes, I agree that you are a scholar on this.  But I don't think scholarship equals the experience of the soldier in the field.  Scholars write histories, for their masters.
I have three purple hearts.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 30, 2019, 04:14:50 PM
I have three purple hearts.

Hitler had an Iron Cross.

And yes, you could write about Vietnam.  You weren't in the Soviet Union 1941-45.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 30, 2019, 04:21:26 PM
And the grunt on the ground couldn't write a comprehensive history. So fuck off if you don't have a better job.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 30, 2019, 04:26:29 PM
And the grunt on the ground couldn't write a comprehensive history. So fuck off if you don't have a better job.

OK.  I respect you in the morning.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Minimalist on August 30, 2019, 06:02:32 PM
Quote
But I don't think scholarship equals the experience of the soldier in the field.

Most soldiers don't know what is going on ten yards away from them.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 30, 2019, 06:25:57 PM
Most soldiers don't know what is going on ten yards away from them.
Very true. And a lot of them like to "colorize" their war stories.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Mike Cl on August 30, 2019, 07:35:36 PM
Very true. And a lot of them like to "colorize" their war stories.
I have not been in combat (and yes, I thank my lucky stars all the time for that) but I could have been.  Served with many who did, tho.  From what I understand from reading my Strategy & Tactics mag (in 70's and 80's came out 6 time yearly and had war games bound into each issue.) which reported on detailed studies of what well trained combat units did in combat.  Apparently, even the best trained squads (10 men) in heavy combat had 4/5 men firing at any one time.  Some reloading, ducking, running for the rear, huddled in fear or other things than firing at the enemy.  And I got the idea from those who served that combat is unlike anything one can encounter in noncombat.  And one's actions can (and usually does) change daily (or even hourly) depending upon a bunch of factors.  Even well trained men can take just so much.  Sama--does that seem accurate or reasonable to you?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 30, 2019, 07:51:00 PM
Some poorly trained units would have that problem. But I haven't seen anything to support it being a big problem. Green troops are more likely to break and run, of course. That's why you drop in into the line willy nilly.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Mike Cl on August 30, 2019, 08:28:20 PM
Some poorly trained units would have that problem. But I haven't seen anything to support it being a big problem. Green troops are more likely to break and run, of course. That's why you drop in into the line willy nilly.
Two things--the article was in support of a particular game (don't remember which one) and was defending their game theory.  And I read that about 50 yrs. ago........so........who knows what I really read. :)  It was clear to me that with my own training that infantry training was best when it became rote and one did not need to think about it.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Minimalist on August 30, 2019, 10:02:08 PM
I remember S&T.  I liked SPI's big games so I never really bothered much with the magazine games but the articles were good.

Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Mike Cl on August 30, 2019, 10:40:23 PM
I remember S&T.  I liked SPI's big games so I never really bothered much with the magazine games but the articles were good.
I liked many of S & T's games--not all.  I was especially fond of Olympic, which was a solo game of the invasion of the Japanese mainland.  Wolfpack was another solo game dealing with the German sub attacks in the Atlantic in WWI.  Many of them I still have, unpunched pieces because I could not find anybody else to play them with.  I also liked SPI and Avalon Hill.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Minimalist on August 31, 2019, 12:39:02 AM
I remember one on Iwo Jima that was pretty well thought out.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 01:26:54 AM
Spoiler alert... Stalin's bullet catcher plan beat Hitler's popsicle plan. Better not to be a bullet catcher or popsicle, but -- Stalin and Hitler.

Sometimes more less-trained soldiers beat fewer more-trained soldiers and more weaker tanks beat fewer better tanks.  And sometimes the other way.  But as no armies are ever completely equal, it is going to be one or the other. 

That may seem trite.  But I mention it because it IS going to be one way or the other and you never can tell.

Hitler probably trained better soldiers and built better equipment, but at a cost.  Better trained soldiers require more resources and better equipment is more expensive to build.  But the German-Soviet front was even more complicated.  It wasn't the generals who controlled the war, it was the dictators who imagined themselves to be great generals.  Neither Hitler nor Stalin were great generals.

At the climax, it turned out that Hitler was slightly worse at generalship than Stalin.  It doesn't take much of a difference when you are talking about millions of soldiers and tanks.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
I agree.  None of these people were geniuses, just Wile E Coyote with Panzers and T-32s.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 10:09:49 AM
Most soldiers don't know what is going on ten yards away from them.

Losing generals, winning generals colorize too.  And armchair generals are dime a dozen.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 11:32:22 AM
I agree.  None of these people were geniuses, just Wile E Coyote with Panzers and T-32s.

Isn't the t-32 a US tank?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 11:33:01 AM
Two things--the article was in support of a particular game (don't remember which one) and was defending their game theory.  And I read that about 50 yrs. ago........so........who knows what I really read. :)  It was clear to me that with my own training that infantry training was best when it became rote and one did not need to think about it.
Having time to think in combat is a luxury I seldom had.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 11:33:41 AM
Isn't the t-32 a US tank?
The T32 Heavy Tank was a heavy tank project started by the United States Army to create an appropriate successor to the M4A3E2 Sherman "Jumbo". The US Ordnance board managed the production of four prototypes, the main goal being to have the new tank share many common parts with the M26 Pershing. Wikipedia
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
Losing generals, winning generals colorize too.  And armchair generals are dime a dozen.

Winning generals gather no moss.  Losing generals say "no mas". 
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 11:39:12 AM
The T32 Heavy Tank was a heavy tank project started by the United States Army to create an appropriate successor to the M4A3E2 Sherman "Jumbo". The US Ordnance board managed the production of four prototypes, the main goal being to have the new tank share many common parts with the M26 Pershing. Wikipedia

 I read that same (very informative) article.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 12:15:41 PM
I read that same (very informative) article.
I digitized the Tank Data Books. Three volumes of material collected at Aberdeen Proving Ground's tank museum. The author personally measured two hundred vehicles.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 01:36:44 PM
I digitized the Tank Data Books. Three volumes of material collected at Aberdeen Proving Ground's tank museum. The author personally measured two hundred vehicles.

LOL!  I lived at APG for 4 years before going off to U of MD.  I saw the tank fields, the airplanes etc.  I hunted deer and fished there.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 01:44:32 PM
LOL!  I lived at APG for 4 years before going off to U of MD.  I saw the tank fields, the airplanes etc.  I hunted deer and fished there.
I spent six months at few miles from there, Naval base near Port Deposit.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 01:58:05 PM
I spent six months at few miles from there, Naval base near Port Deposit.

Bainbridge?  I worked there 2 Summers updating retired officer records for microfisching!  Saw Mickey Mantle's records once.  And played on the base softball team.  Among all those guys, I could only play short field or catcher, but it was great.  I even have a trophy from then:  "Bainbridge 1968 - Intramural Slow Pitch Winner"  We were the Base champs that year.

How do I post a photo here anyway?  I keep forgetting.

The Port Deposit kids were the meanest in the area.  The GIRLS could beat up most of us local boys.  Well, by rumor...
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 02:22:53 PM
Yeah, Bainbridge. We played in the woods a lot. "Attacked" TMI once.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 02:29:45 PM
Yeah, Bainbridge. We played in the woods a lot. "Attacked" TMI once.

Found it.  I forgot about Imgur!

(https://imgur.com/a/4PagSIU)

Damn, It still didn't work.  I suck at images.

Some help?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 02:37:10 PM
Found it.  I forgot about Imgur!

(https://imgur.com/a/4PagSIU)

Damn, It still didn't work.  I suck at images.

Some help?
What are you trying to do?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 02:46:18 PM
What are you trying to do?

Post a picture I just took of  the Bainbridge NTC trophy.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 03:01:55 PM
Bianbridge NTC trophy...

(http://imgur.com/a/Hx7njSv)
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 03:12:35 PM
Post a picture I just took of  the Bainbridge NTC trophy.
Save it to your computer desktop and click on "Add Images" in your Imgur account. Then browse to the desktop, find your picture and select it.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 03:29:25 PM
Ahhh, Imgur says it is not currently available on Macs...  That does explain my frustrated attempts.  Is there a way around that?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 04:32:48 PM
Ahhh, Imgur says it is not currently available on Macs...  That does explain my frustrated attempts.  Is there a way around that?

I could PM you an email addy and put it on my page at Imgur?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on August 31, 2019, 04:44:57 PM
Isn't the t-32 a US tank?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=russian+t-32&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=f1db39ffa4e042029f041e38ac7612ec&PC=ASTS&DAF1=1&sp=1&qs=AS&pq=russian+t-32&sc=8-12&cvid=f1db39ffa4e042029f041e38ac7612ec&cc=US&setlang=en-US


T-34 more accurate.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 04:54:55 PM
I could PM you an email addy and put it on my page at Imgur?

Anything. 
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Mike Cl on August 31, 2019, 05:50:37 PM
Having time to think in combat is a luxury I seldom had.
I would imagine!  As I remember a little more, the article was contrasting Napoleon era combat to WWII combat.  Combat training was better in WWII but not as much as I had thought it would be.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 06:02:34 PM
I would imagine!  As I remember a little more, the article was contrasting Napoleon era combat to WWII combat.  Combat training was better in WWII but not as much as I had thought it would be.
The infantry in the Napoleonic Era had very little chance to exercise initiative. Line up, fire, reload, fire, reload, die.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 06:12:56 PM
https://www.bing.com/search?q=russian+t-32&form=EDNTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=f1db39ffa4e042029f041e38ac7612ec&PC=ASTS&DAF1=1&sp=1&qs=AS&pq=russian+t-32&sc=8-12&cvid=f1db39ffa4e042029f041e38ac7612ec&cc=US&setlang=en-US


T-34 more accurate.

OK, the T-34 was a rugged Soviet Tank that stood up to Nazi tanks well.  Why the names are similar is odd,  Was that just OUR name for them?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 07:06:48 PM
OK, the T-34 was a rugged Soviet Tank that stood up to Nazi tanks well.  Why the names are similar is odd,  Was that just OUR name for them?
The Soviets were our allies, so "T-34" was our name for that tank. Same with IS-II (Ioseph Stalin II).

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/b0/e0/0ab0e019fb4a25c79c9637d5c428bb4d.jpg)
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:08:44 PM
The Soviets were our allies, so "T-34" was our name for that tank. Same with IS-II (Ioseph Stalin II).

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/b0/e0/0ab0e019fb4a25c79c9637d5c428bb4d.jpg)

Thank you.  And that IS a pretty awesome tank...
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 07:17:10 PM
We replied.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/be/3f/26be3f6730f81847fa24fd630ad663d7.jpg)
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:41:31 PM
We replied.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/be/3f/26be3f6730f81847fa24fd630ad663d7.jpg)

Weapons tend to become equal in war as some are shown effective. 
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 07:46:08 PM
We went with the M-48 after due consideration. The super-heavies weren't economical or able to be transported as easily as the "main battle tank".
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Mike Cl on August 31, 2019, 07:51:23 PM
Weapons tend to become equal in war as some are shown effective.
Back when computers used DOS, I was really into war games on the computer, especially WWII tank battles.  Steel Panthers and Panzer Blitz come to mind.  Anyway, according to all I read, the German Panther was one hell of a tank.  But the Tiger and Tiger II blew them out of the water.  Lucky for us, the Tiger II came late in the war and the Germans were not able to make all that many.  The Soviet T-34/85 were noted as being very good tanks.  The American Sherman not so much.  The only way a Sherman could take out a Tiger or Tiger II was to gang up on it and land a lucky shot to the rear armor of the Tiger.  At one time I was pretty good at remembering the armor of each main tank and where it was thickest and thinnest. Since the death of DOS I have not found a good tank warfare game and I now mainly play rpg/shooter type games.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on August 31, 2019, 07:54:54 PM
Back when computers used DOS, I was really into war games on the computer, especially WWII tank battles.  Steel Panthers and Panzer Blitz come to mind.  Anyway, according to all I read, the German Panther was one hell of a tank.  But the Tiger and Tiger II blew them out of the water.  Lucky for us, the Tiger II came late in the war and the Germans were not able to make all that many.  The Soviet T-34/85 were noted as being very good tanks.  The American Sherman not so much.  The only way a Sherman could take out a Tiger or Tiger II was to gang up on it and land a lucky shot to the rear armor of the Tiger.  At one time I was pretty good at remembering the armor of each main tank and where it was thickest and thinnest. Since the death of DOS I have not found a good tank warfare game and I now mainly play rpg/shooter type games.

Yeah, US tanks were coffins.  We built a lot and badly.  I think we trusted more in strategy.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 31, 2019, 08:59:12 PM
Back when computers used DOS, I was really into war games on the computer, especially WWII tank battles.  Steel Panthers and Panzer Blitz come to mind.  Anyway, according to all I read, the German Panther was one hell of a tank.  But the Tiger and Tiger II blew them out of the water.  Lucky for us, the Tiger II came late in the war and the Germans were not able to make all that many.  The Soviet T-34/85 were noted as being very good tanks.  The American Sherman not so much.  The only way a Sherman could take out a Tiger or Tiger II was to gang up on it and land a lucky shot to the rear armor of the Tiger.  At one time I was pretty good at remembering the armor of each main tank and where it was thickest and thinnest. Since the death of DOS I have not found a good tank warfare game and I now mainly play rpg/shooter type games.
Tigers were heavies, slow and hell on bridges. When the Battle of the Bulge started the Panzer troops put the Tigers in the rear of the columns and didn't wait for them. The Panzer V was the best tank the Germans had in WWII.
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Since the death of DOS I have not found a good tank warfare game and I now mainly play rpg/shooter type games.
https://worldoftanks.com/
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Minimalist on August 31, 2019, 09:16:36 PM
Ahhh, Imgur says it is not currently available on Macs...  That does explain my frustrated attempts.  Is there a way around that?



Shitcan the Mac?
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on September 01, 2019, 05:31:16 AM
Ahhh, Imgur says it is not currently available on Macs...  That does explain my frustrated attempts.  Is there a way around that?

(https://i.imgur.com/baziodV.jpg)

Some real hoops involved in getting that to work. Don't feel bad. I've been on computers since Desert Shield and I had to do some serious witchcraft. I sent you a link to a permanent file.

Now get rid of that Mac.
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Baruch on September 01, 2019, 08:22:25 AM
I would imagine!  As I remember a little more, the article was contrasting Napoleon era combat to WWII combat.  Combat training was better in WWII but not as much as I had thought it would be.

Hence extra training for Rangers and Airborne.  There was a huge casualty differential between special forces and regulars in Vietnam.

I use both Mac and PC.  Don't be a slave to Gates or Jobs (now elevated to divinity).
Title: Re: New tactical overview of the Eastern Front 1941 + 1942
Post by: Cavebear on September 03, 2019, 06:05:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/baziodV.jpg)

Some real hoops involved in getting that to work. Don't feel bad. I've been on computers since Desert Shield and I had to do some serious witchcraft. I sent you a link to a permanent file.

Now get rid of that Mac.

Thank you for posting that.  But I have both a Windows 10 and a 2016 Mac and only the Mac makes much sense to me.  Once you experience a Mac Finder, you don't look back.

But thank you Gawdzilla Sama!