https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK4H-LkrQjQ
I have one thing to say to the cucks, 1960s style ... ZAP, POW, SMASH!
If there is anything in the Gillette commercial that someone finds offensive or is picking on them for being a man, that is the epitome of small dick energy.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 15, 2019, 09:52:07 PM
If there is anything in the Gillette commercial that someone finds offensive or is picking on them for being a man, that is the epitome of small dick energy.
or, you know, the epitome of fake #metoo movement advocates trying for their 15 minutes of virtue signalling, not for ever being hurt by men, just joining to tell the world how all men (especially the white ones) are born naturally evil.
you never do try on someone elses shoes, do you?
But don't worry, heres a black guy to explain it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw8IW-QJPxM&t=311s
Quote from: Shiranu on January 15, 2019, 09:52:07 PM
If there is anything in the Gillette commercial that someone finds offensive or is picking on them for being a man, that is the epitome of small dick energy.
Yeah, Shiranu, what is offensive in that commercial? Not a thing I can see.
What are commercials? Asking for a friend who didn't get broadband internet in 2004.
I don't understand. I watched it and don't see what the big problem is. Lots of whiners you guys are
and people are outraged that AT&T has a commercial with a gay couple with children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BgPYLmXLLU
Oh, for the bygone years when people were concerned with more serious issues. Like Cheerios promoting miscegenation (https://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/06/11/daily-circuit-cheerios-multiracial-family)
So Shiranu ... you are going to shill for Cuck Capitalism? Really? Where is your Engels?
Quote
Yeah, Shiranu, what is offensive in that commercial? Not a thing I can see.
QuoteWhat are commercials? Asking for a friend who didn't get broadband internet in 2004.
QuoteI don't understand. I watched it and don't see what the big problem is. Lots of whiners you guys are
It's honestly fascinating this kind of social and political cognitive dissonance on it's own religious level of denial.
Swap the genders around, show examples of toxic femininity, women who abuse men or children, how there are women who are misandrist. I think we can agree you'd 'notice the problem' then
But the numbers don't lie, the downvotes at least show people are kissed off with this bullshit from anti male indoctrination from social justice groups.
As athiests, I at least expected a bit more awareness on this kind of over the top pc crap that takes a small example of bad behaviour in people and uses that to apply to all people of one gender (unless their black only the black guys are redeemable in the add your notice).
But that's the problem with social political indoctrination, you've convinced yourselves your doing good, because your following the same kind of group trends that other groups do behind stained glass windows.
So much for free thinking.
Edit: also, you don't see the problem of them using a clip of a youtuber in their anti masculinity advert, who denies the Armenian Genocide? Really?
QuoteBut the numbers don't lie, the downvotes at least show people are kissed off with this bullshit from anti male indoctrination from social justice groups.
You're right, the numbers don't lie; there are alot of men who are so insecure about their masculinity that even this triggers them into a rage that they have to go angry type a blog or scream at youtube to express just how offended they are.
QuoteAs athiests, I at least expected a bit more awareness on this kind of over the top pc crap that takes a small example of bad behaviour in people and uses that to apply to all people of one gender(unless their black only the black guys are redeemable in the add your notice).
That's a hard oof right there.
The commercial is great, but I can see where your coming from, that it is in support of modern feminism.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 16, 2019, 11:24:25 AM
You're right, the numbers don't lie; there are alot of men who are so insecure about their masculinity that even this triggers them into a rage that they have to go angry type a blog or scream at youtube to express just how offended they are.
That's a hard oof right there.
Too much fluoride in the water supply. Besides as a Beta, not an Alpha, it makes you attractive to both sexes, right?
I find it interesting how some men react to such a commercial. The truth hurts?? This country has a real problem with bullying. Who bully's the most? Males. Males have been the chosen group from the inception of this country. Males were (white, property holding) in charge according to the constitution. Women were the last to get the vote. Women, for any version of a christian group, were to serve men. Women have accepted this for far far too long. Now that those accepted ideals are finally being questioned, many many males are really acting butt hurt. Get over it. Women should have the same conditions and opportunities as men. We are now 'lead' by THE classical 5th grade bully. He is literally rubbing this country in all those classical male assumptions and actions. It is about time this is brought fully into the light.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 16, 2019, 11:24:25 AM
You're right, the numbers don't lie; there are alot of men who are so insecure about their masculinity that even this triggers them into a rage that they have to go angry type a blog or scream at youtube to express just how offended they are.
Your hardly one to be commenting on other people getting offending.
Quote from: Munch on January 16, 2019, 04:31:38 PM
Your hardly one to be commenting on other people getting offending.
And your are???
I guess I'm just kind of slow - I don't get what there is to be upset about.
Triggers, triggers everywhere. All posters have a pr126 inside themselves.
Just kill the feminist bitches now? Or go get your castration at the beauty parlor??
See, straight cucks might not even be fit to be like drag queens, let alone the majority gay men who are masculine.
putting it simply, because this is a publicly broadcast advert, its sending a bad message to young and impressionable people.
The term 'toxic masculinity' is a defining term that could have merit, just like how toxic femininity exists. However, you don't see adverts for products calling into the fact that toxic feminism exists, not on mainstream products.
The problem comes from the fact that making a broadcasted statement like this, is sending a message out that masculinity itself is bad, its toxic, its something that needs to be controlled. And sending that out to young and impressionable people can have negative effects on their identity.
We live in a time now where people talk about their identity, be it what their born as, or what they want to be later (I'm opposed to parents forcing children to becomes trans before their even old enough to understand what it actually means, or just forcing it on children period). And I'm someone who thinks if a person has defined themselves, provided its something healthy and not a determent to themselves or others, I see no problem someone wanting to be anything.
And yet, with adverts like these, its showing the kind of people that commissioned the advert don't care for a fundamental aspect of human culture, masculinity. By zeroing in on it, and claiming being masculine can become inherently toxic, instead of say talking about toxic behavior in every aspect of human life (how toxic behavior/thinking makes any identity into a potential toxic one), it just wanted to claim only men are the toxic ones.
It wasn't just a case of claiming 'toxic masculine behavior exists' which it does of course as said any toxic behavior can effect anyones identity, it was going out of its way to label any kind of masculine behavior bad, even something as simple as children wrestling.
And as the uncle of two nephews, I don't particularly want to see them growing up believing just being a man is bad and they need to change themselves because of what they were born as was wrong, kinda like how religions teach gay kids they were born wrong.
Quote from: Munch on January 16, 2019, 07:16:15 PM
putting it simply, because this is a publicly broadcast advert, its sending a bad message to young and impressionable people.
The term 'toxic masculinity' is a defining term that could have merit, just like how toxic femininity exists. However, you don't see adverts for products calling into the fact that toxic feminism exists, not on mainstream products.
The problem comes from the fact that making a broadcasted statement like this, is sending a message out that masculinity itself is bad, its toxic, its something that needs to be controlled. And sending that out to young and impressionable people can have negative effects on their identity.
We live in a time now where people talk about their identity, be it what their born as, or what they want to be later (I'm opposed to parents forcing children to becomes trans before their even old enough to understand what it actually means, or just forcing it on children period). And I'm someone who thinks if a person has defined themselves, provided its something healthy and not a determent to themselves or others, I see no problem someone wanting to be anything.
And yet, with adverts like these, its showing the kind of people that commissioned the advert don't care for a fundamental aspect of human culture, masculinity. By zeroing in on it, and claiming being masculine can become inherently toxic, instead of say talking about toxic behavior in every aspect of human life (how toxic behavior/thinking makes any identity into a potential toxic one), it just wanted to claim only men are the toxic ones.
It wasn't just a case of claiming 'toxic masculine behavior exists' which it does of course as said any toxic behavior can effect anyones identity, it was going out of its way to label any kind of masculine behavior bad, even something as simple as children wrestling.
And as the uncle of two nephews, I don't particularly want to see them growing up believing just being a man is bad and they need to change themselves because of what they were born as was wrong, kinda like how religions teach gay kids they were born wrong.
Goodness.................seems to me you have read a bunch of stuff into that ad that wasn't there. Bullying is such a huge issue (to me at least) that we need, as a society, tackle it somehow. Children should learn that being stronger than someone else does not make you right no matter what you do--same for male and female. Seems to me you are really going over the deep end here.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 16, 2019, 09:54:03 PM
Goodness.................seems to me you have read a bunch of stuff into that ad that wasn't there. Bullying is such a huge issue (to me at least) that we need, as a society, tackle it somehow. Children should learn that being stronger than someone else does not make you right no matter what you do--same for male and female. Seems to me you are really going over the deep end here.
oh yes, apparently its just me 'reading to much into it', its not like there isn't 714k other people who dislike the add for similar reason.
just some comments from the videos comment section.
QuoteI’m 73 yrs old. I have treated my wife and all women with respect. I am now my wife’s caregiver as she has advanced Alzheimer’s. I respect her dignity as we struggle along. I am offended by this ad. And no I’m not a loser because of that as some have suggested.
QuoteThank you for your transparent virtue signaling.
My self, my wife, my 3 sons, 4 daughters, and their significant others will be switching to a different supplier of shaving products. It is a pity that your marketing program of sending young men like my 3 sons a new shaver prior to their 18th birthday/high school graduation, which has been very successful in my household, has come to naught by accusing the average man of Judaeo-Christian heritage (the vast majority of your clients), of treating women (like our sisters and mothers), the way Roman Polanski or Harvey Weinstein treated girls/women. We do not appreciate being included in their company.
By the way - is this self serving advertisement running in your middle eastern markets like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia? If so, or if not, please have the transparency to answer, and let us know how this ad campaign is received. Kind Regards ...
QuoteMaybe instead of alienating a large portion of potential customers by virtue signaling about politics you should try to sell razors instead.
QuoteToxic masculinity? 43% boys are raised by single women. 78% of teachers are female. So almost half of the boys have 100% female influence at home, and 80% influence at school. Toxic masculinity is not the problem. Lack of masculinity is."
QuoteThis video portrays all men as aggressive and bad people. It portrays women as they can't talk or do anything. As passive, shy, incapable to make any change in their life, or take a stance by themselves. I must admit that this gave Gillette attention that their marketing department promised, but lets see the sales after this ad.
I'll remember the next time trump says something silly and regard you lot reading to much into it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgo5k1nbj4w
MANsize Kleenex is offensive.
Manchester is now Peoplechester.
Add your own.
Manatees
Manchuria
Mandibles
Manitoba
Manage
Manfred
Manacles
Mankind (peoplekind)
Manipulation
Quote from: pr126 on January 17, 2019, 02:40:42 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dgo5k1nbj4w
MANsize Kleenex is offensive.
Manchester is now Peoplechester.
Add your own.
Manatees
Manchuria
Mandibles
Manitoba
Manage
Manfred
Manacles
Mankind (peoplekind)
Manipulation
Oh oh, don't forget Nelson MANdela
What the guy said at the end does sum it up perfectly though. Gillette are going 'woke' not because they actually really care about anything they claim in the video, but because they see the current social justice climate as a means to make money, so try to appeal to those woke brownie points
Marvel comics tried that on, and their sales tanked as a result in the comics, because they didn't understand just because a company appeals to 'woke' social justice warriors, the ones who bitched and complained about 'toxic male characters' in comics, it didn't mean they would suddenly start buying comics because you had forced minorities in the pages, they simply weren't buying comics, and neither were the fans they alienated.
Same goes for Gillette, the ones they are trying to appeal to here aren't going to start buying razors, and all the company will do is loose money.
And the recent Doctor Who episodes which have become SJW sermons and they are not doing well at all for the general public.
But ratings may be unimportant when the BBC has a captive viewership. As long as the political message goes across.
N.B March this year is the last time I pay for the license (turning 75) but I haven't watched the BBC for years.
Back to basics. Could this be ... don't be to masculine (keep facial hair), but buy a razor to shave it off? That could be positive if prejudiced and self-interest.
Greeks were men and wore beards. Romans were men and shaved.
Quote from: Baruch on January 17, 2019, 06:32:51 AM
Back to basics. Could this be ... don't be to masculine (keep facial hair), but buy a razor to shave it off? That could be positive if prejudiced and self-interest.
Greeks were men and wore beards. Romans were men and shaved.
But if only toxic men have beards.. what about all the hippies who grew their beards? They must be toxic then.
The marketing team for Gillette knows that many consumers under thirty want brands to be socially conscious so they came up with these series of ads to virtue signal and try to attract young customers. They could have gone after a different demographic, emphasized "Made in America" and featured soldiers telling inspirational testimonials while shaving with their products, but they intentionally targeted the youth market because brand loyalty is real and valuable. Their marketing team also knows that with social media outrage culture even negative publicity can increase sales, particularly when the people being outraged trend older and conservative, making buying Gillette even more appealing to the youth market.
Yes, here I am writing about Gillette, raising their brand awareness because, once again, I've been played. This is one of several reason I'm taking another break from the internet. If I wasn't online I wouldn't know about these commercials (Tivo, Netflix and Amazon Prime don't have ads). If I wasn't online I wouldn't be wasting my time watching Gillette advertisements and thinking about a controversy that I don't even care about. I wouldn't be wasting my time typing this response to anonymous strangers. Online I'm being manipulated by advertising companies, news agencies, apps, political parties, special interest groups and governments while algorithms gather my information to sell me things I don't need. The internet can be a valuable tool, but it is also a huge time suck, distracting and I'm not better informed when it comes to actual useful information because my brain is constantly being flooded with crap like shaving cream companies and "toxic masculinity."
So, I'm signing off the internet for a while. Thanks for reading my rant and I wish everyone here the best
Proctor and Gamble also sell Old Spice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrdqqTvyiV8
Toxic masculinity all the way.
I forgot that old spice advert. So they've gone from having a shirtless guy saying 'anything is possible when your man smells like old spice and not a lady' to 'toxic masculinity is everywhere, train your man to be obedient'
Quote from: Munch on January 15, 2019, 10:04:45 PM
...fake #metoo movement...
...you never do try on someone elses shoes, do you?
Do you not understand the things you write? Holy shit.
Quote from: Mermaid on January 17, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
Do you not understand the things you write? Holy shit.
holy shit you only have a single bias political view of the world that finds conflict with anything outside of it. holy shit.
Quote from: Munch on January 17, 2019, 10:19:52 AM
holy shit you only have a single bias political view of the world that finds conflict with anything outside of it. holy shit.
Are you a troll or do you really believe the things you write? Why would you assume I have a biased view and you don't? Are you somehow more evolved than I am? Do you know a single thing about me and how I think and function?
In a single post, you asserted that a whole cultural issue is fake and manufactured, and then in the SAME BREATH you admonished someone for not seeing things past the end of their own nose.
Quote from: Munch on January 17, 2019, 10:19:52 AM
holy shit you only have a single bias political view of the world that finds conflict with anything outside of it. holy shit.
Munch, have you lived in American society over here? I don't think you have, but I'm not sure. I am making my observations based upon my life in this society. I have lived in 4 states, one of them being Alabama, which was most instructive for this West Coast kid. I learned racism there--I became awakened to it. It is a very christian state and learned the role of females within southern society. Hawaii also taught me a bit about racism. As a student and later as a teacher, I learned first hand about being bullied and bullies in general. I worked with them for 40 yrs as a teacher and my daughter informed me in even more detail, as well. She became a teacher, then went back to school and became a vice-principal dealing directly with bullies in several different school, went to school again and became a teacher of teachers. I tried to raise my daughter to be independent and to think for herself. I made sure she realized what the ads and programs on TV were telling her--be submissive, skinny and to defer to the males in her life. I tried to instill in her the idea that she could do what she wanted--she would have to work for it and she would have to be aware of how many, many males regraded her in the work force and in private life.
Munch, you too, should be aware of bullies and the damage they do. And you should also be aware of the role religion plays in keeping males in charge of the 'important' stuff. But in many ways, Europe is way ahead of us in incorporating more fully into society. Homophobia in this country is kept alive and well in this country mainly through religion; I don't know the status of what it is like being homosexual in Europe. So is racism and keeping females as the subservient class. Progress has been made, but not nearly enough.
Lucky for America to have so many religious homophobes.
Here in Europe, we have to import them by the millions just to catch up.
Quote from: Munch on January 17, 2019, 07:15:38 AM
But if only toxic men have beards.. what about all the hippies who grew their beards? They must be toxic then.
True-hippie-dome has never been tried, any more than true-socialism ;-)
Quote from: Munch on January 17, 2019, 09:41:25 AM
I forgot that old spice advert. So they've gone from having a shirtless guy saying 'anything is possible when your man smells like old spice and not a lady' to 'toxic masculinity is everywhere, train your man to be obedient'
He is clearly Black-Putin ... so part of the Russian plot to pollute our manly juices (Dr Strangelove).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha1o05HkXhI
See, the patriarchy is all powerful ... Reeee
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 17, 2019, 11:13:17 AM
Munch, have you lived in American society over here? I don't think you have, but I'm not sure. I am making my observations based upon my life in this society. I have lived in 4 states, one of them being Alabama, which was most instructive for this West Coast kid. I learned racism there--I became awakened to it. It is a very christian state and learned the role of females within southern society. Hawaii also taught me a bit about racism. As a student and later as a teacher, I learned first hand about being bullied and bullies in general. I worked with them for 40 yrs as a teacher and my daughter informed me in even more detail, as well. She became a teacher, then went back to school and became a vice-principal dealing directly with bullies in several different school, went to school again and became a teacher of teachers. I tried to raise my daughter to be independent and to think for herself. I made sure she realized what the ads and programs on TV were telling her--be submissive, skinny and to defer to the males in her life. I tried to instill in her the idea that she could do what she wanted--she would have to work for it and she would have to be aware of how many, many males regraded her in the work force and in private life.
Munch, you too, should be aware of bullies and the damage they do. And you should also be aware of the role religion plays in keeping males in charge of the 'important' stuff. But in many ways, Europe is way ahead of us in incorporating more fully into society. Homophobia in this country is kept alive and well in this country mainly through religion; I don't know the status of what it is like being homosexual in Europe. So is racism and keeping females as the subservient class. Progress has been made, but not nearly enough.
Put on your damn Yankee uniform and go kill some Johnny Rebs ... yeahaw!
Meet the "woke" feminist BEHIND that Gillette ad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iJgWrO9_oQ
QuoteThe problem comes from the fact that making a broadcasted statement like this, is sending a message out that masculinity itself is bad, its toxic, its something that needs to be controlled. And sending that out to young and impressionable people can have negative effects on their identity.
Let me try this again...
What, specifically, in this ad makes you believe that this is an attack on all men or on masculinity?
Bullying is not a masculine trait. Sexual harassment is not a masculine trait. Workplace discrimination is not a masculine trait. These are the things the commercial attacked. These are all traits of cowards and idiots.
Standing up against bullying is a masculine (and feminine) trait. Calling people out who commit sexual harassment is a masculine (and feminine) trait. Not tolerating workplace discrimination is a masculine (and feminine) trait. These are the things the commercial praises. These are having agency over your actions and standing up to what is wrong when you see it, which is masculine or feminine as fuck.
The only way I can fathom viewing this commercial as an attack on masculinity is if you believe that bullying, sexually harassing others, or discriminating at the workplace are inherently masculine traits. That, or you believe that an attack on any man, even if what he is doing is wrong, is suddenly an attack on all men.
If you are concerned about your nephews being exposed to the idea that bullying is bad, sexual harassment is wrong, or that discriminating in the workplace is fucked up... then I don't really know what to say other than I hope to god they spend as little time around you as possible. If it's just because any attack on a man is an attack on all men then my god, grow a backbone.
I honestly don't even see this as pro-women and anti-men.
I barely even see this as pro-women.
This is all pro-men.
Men face a shit ton of pressures in life and Gillette is acknowledging that in this ad. That is extremely important for men's rights. This is not a pro women ad or even an anti-men ad. This is 100% a pro-male ad
Quote from: Mermaid on January 17, 2019, 10:29:31 AM
Are you a troll or do you really believe the things you write? Why would you assume I have a biased view and you don't? Are you somehow more evolved than I am? Do you know a single thing about me and how I think and function?
In a single post, you asserted that a whole cultural issue is fake and manufactured, and then in the SAME BREATH you admonished someone for not seeing things past the end of their own nose.
He's been moving closer and closer to becoming an irrational conservative troll for a while to even be at the point at assuming I am an extreme left idiot, when I'm blatantly not. In fact he was surprised with the fact that he was in agreement with me on a certain topic, when I have been very vocal about that topic for ages and haven't changed my stance for the entirety of me having thoughts on it. (different thread and not going to bring it up in here)
Munch has been blindly defending pr for so long that it's almost like he's..... becoming him.... *shudders*
The fact that people like pr and Munch are so fucking frail at the sight of something like THIS AD.... it makes me wonder if that "masculinity so fragile" isn't just an idiotic meme after all.
It should be noted that I hate that "masculinity so fragile" saying with a flaming passion because it's fucking nonsensical. Which is why it's so stupid that people like Munch and pr are so fucking dumb with shit like this, irrationally thinking this stuff is attacking them...
manly soap and shampoo and things that are shaped like baseball bats and racecars isn't fragile masculinity, but holy hell crying over something like this like pr and Munch are?
That is fragile masculinity. I never thought I would un-ironically say that phrase, but here I am. and I hate it.
I think many people are constantly on the look-out for shit to get pissed off about. Only when they're pissed off can they be truly happy.
Quote from: Baruch on January 17, 2019, 01:08:48 PM
Put on your damn Yankee uniform and go kill some Johnny Rebs ... yeahaw!
Wrong uni. When I dress up in my Yankees uni, I go looking for Boston Red Sox scalps.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 17, 2019, 05:42:30 PM
He's been moving closer and closer to becoming an irrational conservative troll for a while to even be at the point at assuming I am an extreme left idiot, when I'm blatantly not. In fact he was surprised with the fact that he was in agreement with me on a certain topic, when I have been very vocal about that topic for ages and haven't changed my stance for the entirety of me having thoughts on it. (different thread and not going to bring it up in here)
Munch has been blindly defending pr for so long that it's almost like he's..... becoming him.... *shudders*
Ree ... trannies ... is Munch trapped in the body of pr126 or vice versa?
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 17, 2019, 06:29:17 PM
Wrong uni. When I dress up in my Yankees uni, I go looking for Boston Red Sox scalps.
That would seem ... anti-Cavebear then. An observation, politics today has turned into die hard soccer hooliganism.
Quote from: Baruch on January 17, 2019, 06:37:19 PM
Ree ... trannies ... is Munch trapped in the body of pr126 or vice versa?
"a small.... Surgery ...I'd like to take his face.... Off..."
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I don't have a problem with the ad. To me is simply says what it says. We can do better. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Quote from: aitm on January 18, 2019, 07:59:13 AM
I don't have a problem with the ad. To me is simply says what it says. We can do better. Sounds like a good idea to me.
Yes, you can do better. But leave me the fuck out of your tyranny.
Quote from: Baruch on January 18, 2019, 01:13:06 PM
Yes, you can do better. But leave me the fuck out of your tyranny.
"Everyone that suggests something that I don't want to do is a tyrant. - A sequel to Everyone that I disagree with is Hitler"
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 18, 2019, 03:26:49 PM
"Everyone that suggests something that I don't want to do is a tyrant. - A sequel to Everyone that I disagree with is Hitler"
It is OK for you to chime in, for aitm. No, tyranny is very clear. A terrorist isn't another man's freedom fighter. To suggest otherwise is to be a tyrant.
They may have done some bad things, but Churchill wasn't Hitler and FDR wasn't Stalin. If they were, none of you (on either side of The Pond) would be posting.
Quote from: Baruch on January 18, 2019, 01:13:06 PM
Yes, you can do better. But leave me the fuck out of your tyranny.
No worries mate, I get the feeling females don't worry about what you think.
Quote from: aitm on January 18, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
No worries mate, I get the feeling females don't worry about what you think.
speaking of. Since its okay for an advert to headline toxic masculinity, lets remind the fact that toxic femininity exists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X94TPrzWsI
I mean I don't see the problem with highlighting toxic femininity.
Holy shit.
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Funny. I thought it was the Liberals who were supposed to be thin skinned, whiny snowflakes...
Quote from: Munch on January 18, 2019, 08:14:13 PM
speaking of. Since its okay for an advert to headline toxic masculinity, lets remind the fact that toxic femininity exists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X94TPrzWsI
I mean I don't see the problem with highlighting toxic femininity.
Big yikes.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/1zSz5MVw4zKg0/giphy.gif)
I know, it is quite surprising. But I think women can do better.
Quote from: aitm on January 18, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
No worries mate, I get the feeling females don't worry about what you think.
They don't give a cuck what anyone thinks, not even themselves (don't have to decide, can do fuzzy logic, can change mind at whim).
So do you think women are special? I don't. Just another monkey doing virtue signaling.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 19, 2019, 12:14:13 AM
Funny. I thought it was the Liberals who were supposed to be thin skinned, whiny snowflakes...
Everyone is liberal, with their own shit. It is what monkeys do. Monkey see, monkey doo doo.
What is more perfect for the Communist Cadre? Real war between the sexes in the West ... with live ammo. Keep it up, Ho Ho (Chi Minh) cucks.
Team America still correct ... you can be a pussy, a dick or an asshole. Those are the real divisions in humanity.
I see no reason to continue civil rights or democracy, as long as we let all these ... monkeys ... out of their cages.
Sleeping with the enemy? You bet they do!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmqCtZSsQ-M
Gamergate 2.0 ... is now woke ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK80AVnzVCY
You can in multiplayer mode, be any race or sex you want to be, in any army?
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 19, 2019, 12:14:13 AM
Funny. I thought it was the Liberals who were supposed to be thin skinned, whiny snowflakes...
"HEY CONSERVATIVES CAN BE WHINY LOSERS TOO"
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 19, 2019, 03:40:51 PM
"HEY CONSERVATIVES CAN BE WHINY LOSERS TOO"
So? - Dick Cheney
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 19, 2019, 03:40:51 PM
"HEY CONSERVATIVES CAN BE WHINY LOSERS TOO"
Yep, it's true.
As are liberals.
As are men and women toxic, making anything their part of become toxic.
Hence why you should never fully dedicate yourself to a religious, social or political ideology (or even fandom), and always look at everything with scepticism.
Quote from: Munch on January 19, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
Yep, it's true.
As are liberals.
As are men and women toxic, making anything their part of become toxic.
Hence why you should never fully dedicate yourself to a religious, social or political ideology (or even fandom), and always look at everything with scepticism.
You severely missed the sarcasm and joke as a whole
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 19, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
You severely missed the sarcasm and joke as a whole
Not really. Just didn't laugh.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 19, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
You severely missed the sarcasm and joke as a whole
The destruction of the US, the UK of Western Civilization, by the Sans Culottes ... is no joke.
Francophone (along with Germano-phone allies) against the Anglophones. I know which side I am on.
Since it must have got buried, what, specifically, in this ad makes you think it is an attack against all manhood and masculinity?
Quote from: Baruch on January 19, 2019, 04:40:25 PM
The destruction of the US, the UK of Western Civilization, by the Sans Culottes ... is no joke.
No joke........................? You certainty are with your wacked out statements. You seem to be a Trumpy before there was a trump. Theist and willfully blind--yep, that's you.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 19, 2019, 07:33:42 PM
Since it must have got buried, what, specifically, in this ad makes you think it is an attack against all manhood and masculinity?
I've explained it already, and I'm not beating a dead horse any longer on whats already been covered.
But then, I don't expect you to understand the problem, despite there being a lot of people talking about it, articles and videos up talking about it, and even counter videos showing the same 'logic' the advert portrayed.
its hard to explain something like this when the other persons head remain in the sand.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 19, 2019, 08:08:26 PM
No joke........................? You certainty are with your wacked out statements. You seem to be a Trumpy before there was a trump. Theist and willfully blind--yep, that's you.
So .... where were you in the great WWF (world war feminism)? Were you going French on us guys? I love women, but not when they are cutting my nuts off.
Quote from: Munch on January 19, 2019, 09:24:31 PM
I've explained it already, and I'm not beating a dead horse any longer on whats already been covered.
But then, I don't expect you to understand the problem, despite there being a lot of people talking about it, articles and videos up talking about it, and even counter videos showing the same 'logic' the advert portrayed.
its hard to explain something like this when the other persons head remain in the sand.
Once people take a position (line drawn in the sand), tied to their egos ... they will apply whatever false evidence, false rationalization required to justify it.
One could go Eastern, and deny Self/Ego ... but for most people that is the same as Identity Death. And in an age of Identity Politics, that just won't do. Not even Gandhi was willing to deny his Hinduism after all. Let alone his manhood.
Maybe there are only a few obnoxious feminists out there, just like any other flavor of psychopath ... and we should just ignore them. But that Women's March ...
Baruch wrote:QuoteBut that women's march
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFj8o2DGKQ
Quote from: pr126 on January 20, 2019, 01:48:29 AM
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which one is you? and which is Munch?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 02:16:42 AM
which one is you? and which is Munch?
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Quote from: Mermaid on January 17, 2019, 10:29:31 AM
Are you a troll or do you really believe the things you write? Why would you assume I have a biased view and you don't? Are you somehow more evolved than I am? Do you know a single thing about me and how I think and function?
In a single post, you asserted that a whole cultural issue is fake and manufactured, and then in the SAME BREATH you admonished someone for not seeing things past the end of their own nose.
Do you think toxic masculinity exists and that it is worst in the west?
I think toxic masculinity exists, but Gillette's ad goes after a soft target instead of genuine toxic masculinity. You know, the kind where they throw acid in women's faces.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 20, 2019, 05:10:54 AM
Do you think toxic masculinity exists and that it is worst in the west?
I think toxic masculinity exists, but Gillette's ad goes after a soft target instead of genuine toxic masculinity. You know, the kind where they throw acid in women's faces.
Of course toxic masculinity exists. But so does toxic feminism, and toxic political or religious beliefs.
People make things toxic by being toxic themselves.
The problem is the advert zeros in on toxic masculinity as if most men are this way, without having the foresight to accept people in general can be toxic in anything.
Just looking at this thread gives credence to what toxic beliefs makes of people.
So it isn't that masculinity is toxic. Masculinity is a good thing. It's just a few assholes that ruin it.
Also the advert was made by a toxic feminist, so having a cunt like that telling men how they should behave is the funniest part of all this.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 19, 2019, 04:10:07 AM
Big yikes.
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Oh, toxic femininity doesn't exist? Surprise, surprise.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 20, 2019, 05:10:54 AM
Do you think toxic masculinity exists and that it is worst in the west?
I think toxic masculinity exists, but Gillette's ad goes after a soft target instead of genuine toxic masculinity. You know, the kind where they throw acid in women's faces.
Don't forget that warfare in the ME, sponsored by the West, or by local authoritarians suppressing violent rebels ... kills lots of women and children. Isolated criminal acts are small potatoes.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 02:16:42 AM
which one is you? and which is Munch?
Neither of them are women ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2019, 05:41:42 AM
Neither of them are women ;-)
Or sheep.
I have noticed a few beta males letting the women put on them hijabs with US flag headscarves.
In solidarity with Islam. Allahu akbar!
Linda Sarsour was chuffed to bits, I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPYotczyopU
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2019, 01:24:53 AM
So .... where were you in the great WWF (world war feminism)? Were you going French on us guys? I love women, but not when they are cutting my nuts off.
Today's women are cutting your nuts off, eh?? Maybe we should just burn them all at the stake? How nice, you love women-----do you love all blacks, too...................and all mexicans.................and on and on. Insecure much???
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 20, 2019, 09:20:52 AM
Today's women are cutting your nuts off, eh?? Maybe we should just burn them all at the stake? How nice, you love women-----do you love all blacks, too...................and all mexicans.................and on and on. Insecure much???
its called being metaphorical. A woman cutting a mans dick of is metaphor means she'll emasculate him.
Unless she actually does do that but it still counts as emasculation.
But then I guess we live in times now where is okay for women to do that, since men did it so much in the past. Maybe it would be better to look at how women are treated by men in the middle east, but that might require looking afar and challenging the social identity of progressivism.
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 09:53:44 AM
its called being metaphorical. A woman cutting a mans dick of is metaphor means she'll emasculate him.
Unless she actually does do that but it still counts as emasculation.
But then I guess we live in times now where is okay for women to do that, since men did it so much in the past. Maybe it would be better to look at how women are treated by men in the middle east, but that might require looking afar and challenging the social identity of progressivism.
What??? Metaphorical??? Really?? No shit.......................! Come on, Munch, give me a little slack.
I don't think anybody on this board has suggested that it is okay for women to act toxic to help them make up time. Nobody. I don't live in the ME and have little to no impact there. I do live in the US and live in the society of this country. So, I comment on what I live in and understand. The average 'feminist' is not after gutting society and males along with it. They are fighting for equality. Not more--but not less, either. To the typical white patriarchal male, that appears to be toxic because it is upsetting the established 'norms'; and that will always get push-back from the establishment. Just because male toxic masculinity is being talked about does not automatically need to include female toxic attitudes. One does not lead to the other. I am fully against toxic beliefs, thoughts, and actions from any source.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 20, 2019, 05:29:15 AM
Oh, toxic femininity doesn't exist? Surprise, surprise.
B I G G E R Y I K E S
I love that yall are "All Lives Matter!"-ing a razor commercial just so you can feel oppressed.
It really brings a tear to my eye to see yall learned so well from me how to be offended by everything. I.. *sniff*... I'm sorry guys, I'm going to have to go have a proud cry.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 20, 2019, 09:20:52 AM
Today's women are cutting your nuts off, eh?? Maybe we should just burn them all at the stake? How nice, you love women-----do you love all blacks, too...................and all mexicans.................and on and on. Insecure much???
For you, all White men, except yourself (male Dolezal?) are racists ... reee.
You over-generalize. I didn't say all women today (or yesterday) are feminists. Just that today's feminists are either castrators or castrati. And yes, I love all monkeys, but I don't enjoy their shit. Darwinian version of love the sinner but hate the sin. Castrati make particularly nice contra-tenors ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73MeLZWXz8Q
They also make good harem eunuchs. Long Live Emperor Pu-Yi! And Jimmy Cricket!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnEOZSNtcJI
Quote from: Shiranu on January 20, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
I love that yall are "All Lives Matter!"-ing a razor commercial just so you can feel oppressed.
It really brings a tear to my eye to see yall learned so well from me how to be offended by everything. I.. *sniff*... I'm sorry guys, I'm going to have to go have a proud cry.
It is OK to be a soy-goy ... just be honest about who you are. Oh no, life is unfair, and one or more out of +7 billion are offended! Emperor Shiranu says ... off with their heads!!
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 04:27:01 AM
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So you really are that dense... Good to know
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Quote from: Mike Cl on January 20, 2019, 11:19:39 AM
What??? Metaphorical??? Really?? No shit.......................! Come on, Munch, give me a little slack.
I don't think anybody on this board has suggested that it is okay for women to act toxic to help them make up time. Nobody. I don't live in the ME and have little to no impact there. I do live in the US and live in the society of this country. So, I comment on what I live in and understand. The average 'feminist' is not after gutting society and males along with it. They are fighting for equality. Not more--but not less, either. To the typical white patriarchal male, that appears to be toxic because it is upsetting the established 'norms'; and that will always get push-back from the establishment. Just because male toxic masculinity is being talked about does not automatically need to include female toxic attitudes. One does not lead to the other. I am fully against toxic beliefs, thoughts, and actions from any source.
I don't care about anything outside the US .. you are fatally parochial? Maybe you are hoping with feminism, there will be no more Southern gentlemen (assuming that isn't a myth), no more modern Republicans. There will only be bull-dyke Democrats with beards like Abraham Lincoln ;-)
You can always go find some American woman, some Native American, some African-American, some non-American ... and give them all you have (as per Jesus) to expiate your sins and those of all your ancestors.
What is this year's meme? Chads vs Cucks? Chads are now "woke" to the cuckism.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 20, 2019, 05:56:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPYotczyopU
Sargon? Really? You're referring us to that clown?
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2019, 12:26:39 PM
For you, all White men, except yourself (male Dolezal?) are racists ... reee.
You over-generalize.
I over-generalize............................hahahahahahahahahah! Another theist belly-laugh.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 20, 2019, 01:24:45 PM
I over-generalize............................hahahahahahahahahah! Another theist belly-laugh.
Explain yourself then. How are you not part of the Soros global conspiracy ... aka new wave Feminism? You are just being a ... gentleman, right?
I say, some women are shits. Is that over-generaiization? Not according to any dictionary. But you imply, per "believe her" that no woman is a shit, they are all some kind of master-race material. That is the problem with innuendo ... you can't say really what you (anyone) mean without giving the game up.
Yeah, Sargon has nearly gone over to the dark side, since the Techno-Totalitarians are squeezing him. He used to be woke to the post-modernist Marxism.
Meanwhile, an actual psychologist ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oVyQGmD3d8
Yes, some people, some of them women, are shits.
Just now, the couple in the apartment above me are going at it. Must be the man's fault, without any other evidence, because ... Trump.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 20, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
I love that yall are "All Lives Matter!"-ing a razor commercial just so you can feel oppressed.
It really brings a tear to my eye to see yall learned so well from me how to be offended by everything. I.. *sniff*... I'm sorry guys, I'm going to have to go have a proud cry.
how's that narrowing everyone in a bubble working out for you?
thats not exactly a progressive mind set now is it?
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 03:15:27 PM
how's that narrowing everyone in a bubble working out for you?
thats not exactly a progressive mind set now is it?
Totalitarians always have to separate the sheep from the goats, who are the camp guards and who are the inmates in the Gulag/Death Camps. Get with the socialist paradise, dude!
Progressive ... another abused word. Socialist ... a word not abused enough. They have been made synonymous, so both are going into the meme incinerator. With NewSpeak, all words being made synonymous, then all words, all thought, goes into the incinerator. Que Bono?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 12:31:44 PM
So you really are that dense... Good to know
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if you made a point instead of resulting to ad hominem maybe you'd find debate.
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
if you made a point instead of resulting to ad hominem maybe you'd find debate.
Moderators who are not self aware. But I will admit, he doesn't troll. See, some people are triggered, we must be swamped with more Millennials than just Shiranu ;-)
The point is, you aren't entitled to be triggered by a trivial video ... you are the wrong nationality, wrong sex, wrong color.
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 03:21:19 PM
if you made a point instead of resulting to ad hominem maybe you'd find debate.
Lol what? That's what you've been doing since the beginning. You've refused any of the points any of us made and just insisted we're basically too wrapped up in some bullshit to "see the truth". Which, quite honestly is what is going on with you.
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 03:29:15 PM
Lol what? That's what you've been doing since the beginning. You've refused any of the points any of us made and just insisted we're basically too wrapped up in some bullshit to "see the truth". Which, quite honestly is what is going on with you.
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Wrong. Since the first page of this thread I gave reasons why the advert was bad, it's negative influence, the abhorrent cluelessness of its message. And all you and others have done is shrugged your shoulders claiming it's not a big deal, yet when examples of the message being flipped, it suddenly became an issue.
What points do you think your making other then dismissing what the majority already have made about this advert online?
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 03:41:46 PM
Wrong. Since the first page of this thread I gave reasons why the advert was bad, it's negative influence, the abhorrent cluelessness of its message. And all you and others have done is shrugged your shoulders claiming it's not a big deal, yet when examples of the message being flipped, it suddenly became an issue.
What points do you think your making other then dismissing what the majority already have made about this advert online?
And I, and many people gave reasons why it isn't bad like you are so frantically tripping over. You're full of it, munch. You and pr. Baruch too, but for different reasons.
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 03:47:39 PM
And I, and many people gave reasons why it isn't bad like you are so frantically tripping over. You're full of it, munch. You and pr. Baruch too, but for different reasons.
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Over-estimate underlying message of the advert? Under-estimate underlying message of the advert? And yes, I am different from Munch and pr126 ... namely that I am not British, I just admire certain Brits. Maybe even them.
Remember, the majority is only good if the vote Labor or Democrat, otherwise they are "deplorable". Again, simple chauvinism and prejudice, nothing actual progressive at all.
If we could achieve tolerance, like in the Food column ... wouldn't that be utopia? And look ma, no commissars!
"There's voices in my head! There's voices! Can't you hear those voices!? I'm totally not crazy! You're crazy for not hearing them!"
This is how you 3 sound right now.
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I really find it ridiculous that this ad was considered anything but "hey, why not try to be better?" But wow, fragile ego's abound......or guilty ones
Quote from: aitm on January 20, 2019, 04:15:30 PM
I really find it ridiculous that this ad was considered anything but "hey, why not try to be better?" But wow, fragile ego's abound......or guilty ones
"Being better" as told by toxic feminists on how to.
Here's a response the company Egard watches made to this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HL0wiK4Zc
Oh would you look at that, an advert showing the shit men have to deal with, instead of just being toxic as Gillette claims.
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2019, 03:09:35 PM
Explain yourself then. How are you not part of the Soros global conspiracy ... aka new wave Feminism? You are just being a ... gentleman, right?
I say, some women are shits. Is that over-generaiization? Not according to any dictionary. But you imply, per "believe her" that no woman is a shit, they are all some kind of master-race material. That is the problem with innuendo ... you can't say really what you (anyone) mean without giving the game up.
What I can understand with this post is an over-generalization. Everything you say these days, is an over-generalization or a statement that makes no sense. I have been saying what I mean. Nobody can figure out what it is you mean other than your trying to ply your weird 'sense of humor' or what you think passes for it. You say shit like this-- How are you not part of the Soros global conspiracy ... aka new wave Feminism?--and you expect me to take you seriously? What you seem to call feminism is when women simply try to bring their status as equal. For some reason you think women becoming equal to be a big slap in the face. It's toxic on women's part--it seems you think women should simply accept what has been and stop 'whining' about. Damn--grow up a bit will you?
Some women want to be less than equal. Some want to be equal. Others want to be more than equal.
Should women "just take it" ... hell no. Should men "just take it" ... hell no. Good reason to never date, never marry, never support any ... women. Let them all go to Themiscyra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themiscyra_(Pontus) Roman general Lucullus destroyed it completely, in the 1st century BCE. Neither Zeus nor Ares saved it.
I totally deny the validity of any equality measure ... it is simply BS. You are not my equal, nobody is. Nobody is your equal either. Get over it. Or just donate all your income and money to the nearest wino. See, socialism is secular puritan christianity, without any redemption. Which is exactly how Hegelianism produced Marxism in the first place. That and secular Judaism added BS legalism as well.
Sorry, Amazonia is a hot jungle in S America. It isn't DC comics. You'all are not Wonder Woman's self sacrificing boy friend. Fictional, but a real man for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHc5WdVADCc
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 04:02:56 PM
"There's voices in my head! There's voices! Can't you hear those voices!? I'm totally not crazy! You're crazy for not hearing them!"
This is how you 3 sound right now.
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You don't have paranoia, if you have actual political enemies. This is about politics. Even physics is about politics these days. Did you know that E=Mc^2 is sexist? A feminist academic showed this to be so, back in the early days of LSD professorships.
>>You<<
--REACTION--
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
You don't have paranoia, if you have actual political enemies. This is about politics. Even physics is about politics these days. Did you know that E=Mc^2 is sexist? A feminist academic showed this to be so, back in the early days of LSD professorships.
What in the actual fuck are you on about?... No one sane thinks that. And no one sane thinks that anyone that believes that is of any relevance.
I swear, I'm about to ban myself from this forum, so I can't see how fucking dumb and irrational you 3 are.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 04:57:01 PM
What in the actual fuck are you on about?... No one sane thinks that. And no one sane thinks that anyone that believes that is of any relevance.
Here in "psychopathy is normal"? Yes, there are people who think this. Do they post here? There are a near infinite number of things, sane or not, that people think. Also you failed to quote something specific. I fail to understand why you would deliberately do that, but I have my suspicions ;-)
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 04:58:03 PM
I swear, I'm about to ban myself from this forum, so I can't see how fucking dumb and irrational you 3 are.
Most people say, Cavebear vs Baruch is more entertaining, I have to admit ;-) No disrespect intended. Just boredom.
Or maybe this is annoying because the reaction to the Gillette thing has taken on a life of its own, like so many SJW viral outrage videos. It is a disturbance in the Force (of the Sith socialists).
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2019, 04:53:11 PM
Some women want to be less than equal. Some want to be equal. Others want to be more than equal.
Should women "just take it" ... hell no. Should men "just take it" ... hell no. Good reason to never date, never marry, never support any ... women. Let them all go to Themiscyra.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themiscyra_(Pontus)
I totally deny the validity of any equality measure ... it is simply BS. You are not my equal, nobody is. Nobody is your equal either. Get over it. Or just donate all your income and money to the nearest wino. See, socialism is secular puritan christianity, without any redemption. Which is exactly how Hegelianism produced Marxism in the first place. That and secular Judaism added BS legalism as well.
Sorry, Amazonia is a hot jungle in S America. It isn't DC comics. You'all are not Wonder Woman's self sacrificing boy friend. Fictional, but a real man for sure.
Once again, nothing but generalizations, like---See, socialism is secular puritan christianity, without any redemption.---is simply generalized shit. But you love to spout this stuff. It is really meaningless fluff. But then, you are a theist......................................
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 20, 2019, 05:12:42 PM
Once again, nothing but generalizations, like---See, socialism is secular puritan christianity, without any redemption.---is simply generalized shit. But you love to spout this stuff. It is really meaningless fluff. But then, you are a theist......................................
Nope not even my idea. I read/see lots of stuff, and if it is good stuff, I borrow it. This idea is actually taken from the Intellectual Dark Web, over the past week, put out in a dialog with an atheist professor and another intellectual (who happens to be theist).
Read up on the origins of Socialism in Marxism and the origins of Marxism in Rousseau and Hegel. Then get back to me. Unless of course you want these Left Utopians to kill another 100 million people.
Back in 1850, people thought that Karl Marx was a minor rabble rouser who failed during the 1848 European revolutions. Small seed produce great forests.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 20, 2019, 05:12:42 PM
Once again, nothing but generalizations, like---See, socialism is secular puritan christianity, without any redemption.---is simply generalized shit. But you love to spout this stuff. It is really meaningless fluff. But then, you are a theist......................................
It's all he's capable of
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 20, 2019, 05:21:30 PM
It's all he's capable of
I like you too. Not ironically. You are an artist, that is way cool. Too bad nobody here appreciates the Church of Dischordianism.
https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/qbn483/the-discordian-revival-chaos-festival ... an unimpeachable source to our readers here ;-)
Actual Chaos Theory in the 1980s, basically validated this.
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 04:44:56 PM
"Being better" as told by toxic feminists on how to.
Here's a response the company Egard watches made to this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HL0wiK4Zc
Oh would you look at that, an advert showing the shit men have to deal with, instead of just being toxic as Gillette claims.
Wow dude, people told you that bullying, sexually harassing or discrimination shouldn't be tolerated in society!
How horrible! What a bunch of bitches!
Quote from: Shiranu on January 20, 2019, 05:38:30 PM
Wow dude, people told you that bullying, sexually harassing or discrimination shouldn't be tolerated in society!
How horrible! What a bunch of bitches!
Good, and socialists shouldn't be allowed outside of jails, either? Lets have full on legalism, everything is forbidden, except for what is mandatory aka totalitarianism. But who gets to be the enlightened cadres?
Quote from: Shiranu on January 20, 2019, 05:38:30 PM
Wow dude, people told you that bullying, sexually harassing or discrimination shouldn't be tolerated in society!
How horrible! What a bunch of bitches!
Bullying, sexual harassment and discrimination shouldn't be tolerated.
Yet despite your sarcasm, your virtue signalling hasn't ever really extended to men such as the ones listed in the advert above, has it?
As such, it makes sense why you don't see the problems with the gillette advert. And why when someone says women should do better themselves, it gives you a new wrinkle, if unwilling to admit it.
Baruch, never thought I'd see the day Ann Widdecombe would say something I agree with, but guess that's the times we're living in.
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
Bullying, sexual harassment and discrimination shouldn't be tolerated.
Yet despite your sarcasm, your virtue signalling hasn't ever really extended to men such as the ones listed in the advert above, has it?
As such, it makes sense why you don't see the problems with the gillette advert. And why when someone says women should do better themselves, it gives you a new wrinkle, if unwilling to admit it.
Baruch, never thought I'd see the day Ann Widdecombe would say something I agree with, but guess that's the times we're living in.
Your definitions of bullying, sexual harrassment, and discrimination are very convenient, aren't they? You can dismiss the concerns of those who are actually oppressed, while pretending the priviledged have it bad too. I don't understand you. As a gay man, you know what real discrimination is. Why do you feel the need to be an apologist for the people who have systematically oppressed people like you?
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 20, 2019, 06:35:30 PM
Your definitions of bullying, sexual harrassment, and discrimination are very convenient, aren't they? You can dismiss the concerns of those who are actually oppressed, while pretending the priviledged have it bad too. I don't understand you. As a gay man, you know what real discrimination is. Why do you feel the need to be an apologist for the people who have systematically oppressed people like you?
He could always go full gay jihadi on this perceived enemies. But I would hope not ... "no true Muslim". Kill all cis-men?
Quote from: Munch on January 20, 2019, 04:44:56 PM
"Being better" as told by toxic feminists on how to.
Here's a response the company Egard watches made to this.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HL0wiK4Zc
Oh would you look at that, an advert showing the shit men have to deal with, instead of just being toxic as Gillette claims.
Good lord what a circle jerk that is. LOLOL....talk about having tiny balls all wrenched up and making a video about how great men are for being men....jesus h christ what the fuck was that? LOLOL. I am embarrassed by that. On I love that line...nearly 50% of divorced men still pay for child support. Really? Nearly 50%..HOLD THE FUCKING NEWS. ALMOST 50% OF MEN GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEIR KIDS!. Sheesh. I would be embarrassed to post such shit.
And wives and mothers who sleep around? They don't all do that, but some do. But in libertine America, there are no crimes.
Quote from: Baruch on January 20, 2019, 11:55:47 PM
And wives and mothers who sleep around? They don't all do that, but some do. But in libertine America, there are no crimes.
Except for thought crimes. Wrongthink. The Thought Police are always present.
Off with you to Room 101 for re-education.
Munch, you are next.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 20, 2019, 06:35:30 PM
Your definitions of bullying, sexual harrassment, and discrimination are very convenient, aren't they? You can dismiss the concerns of those who are actually oppressed, while pretending the priviledged have it bad too. I don't understand you. As a gay man, you know what real discrimination is. Why do you feel the need to be an apologist for the people who have systematically oppressed people like you?
Because I know the difference between actual bullying and harassment, as someone who has been bullied and harassed growing up, and the made up reactionary bullshit soft skinned sjws have to anything in this current era.
Living in the era of offense, there is a major difference between people being picked or, and those looking to be offended.
Quote from: aitm on January 20, 2019, 10:53:22 PM
Good lord what a circle jerk that is. LOLOL....talk about having tiny balls all wrenched up and making a video about how great men are for being men....jesus h christ what the fuck was that? LOLOL. I am embarrassed by that. On I love that line...nearly 50% of divorced men still pay for child support. Really? Nearly 50%..HOLD THE FUCKING NEWS. ALMOST 50% OF MEN GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEIR KIDS!. Sheesh. I would be embarrassed to post such shit.
And yet I've never once seen you discuss the kinds of things men go though in cases of sexual harassment they suffer, the legal system going against them more, the rate of homelessness or sacrifices they make more.
And since we live in a time where people hate men for just being men, sometimes there needs to be a bit of affirmative action to remind people it's okay to be who you are, isn't that the mantra of the sjw?
Quote from: Munch on January 21, 2019, 05:32:42 AM
Because I know the difference between actual bullying and harassment, as someone who has been bullied and harassed growing up, and the made up reactionary bullshit soft skinned sjws have to anything in this current era.
Living in the era of offense, there is a major difference between people being picked or, and those looking to be offended.
Latest acid in the face attack by Muslims on gays in the UK? Better than having a hungry rat strapped to your face? The Left only used gays, and women, and coloreds ... for their own purpose. Vote caging.
Quote from: Munch on January 21, 2019, 05:39:04 AM
And since we live in a time where people hate men for just being men,
What the hell you smoking? Holy crap on a cracker. Yea life's unfair to some guys too. Whoop-de-doo. A commercial says, "hey, we can do better" Got you all riled up? Thats the sign of SJW overreacting to absolutely nothing.
Quote from: aitm on January 21, 2019, 07:23:08 AM
What the hell you smoking? Holy crap on a cracker. Yea life's unfair to some guys too. Whoop-de-doo. A commercial says, "hey, we can do better" Got you all riled up? Thats the sign of SJW overreacting to absolutely nothing.
You know, when you acknowledge men can have a shit time of it, but then follow along with whoop-de-doo, what's that really say about you?
Quote from: Munch on January 21, 2019, 08:08:42 AM
You know, when you acknowledge men can have a shit time of it, but then follow along with whoop-de-doo, what's that really say about you?
It easy for me to do that because that is life. But you went from that to "everybody hates men for being men" Thats just flat out laughable nonsense.
Quote from: aitm on January 20, 2019, 10:53:22 PM
Good lord what a circle jerk that is. LOLOL....talk about having tiny balls all wrenched up and making a video about how great men are for being men....jesus h christ what the fuck was that? LOLOL. I am embarrassed by that. On I love that line...nearly 50% of divorced men still pay for child support. Really? Nearly 50%..HOLD THE FUCKING NEWS. ALMOST 50% OF MEN GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THEIR KIDS!. Sheesh. I would be embarrassed to post such shit.
Correction, it said 50% of divorced men pay child support AND never see their child, i.e. don't have visitation rights.
But of course, you lot have a tough time to adjust to reality.
Quote from: Munch on January 21, 2019, 05:32:42 AM
Because I know the difference between actual bullying and harassment, as someone who has been bullied and harassed growing up, and the made up reactionary bullshit soft skinned sjws have to anything in this current era.
Living in the era of offense, there is a major difference between people being picked or, and those looking to be offended.
So black people being shot in cold blood by cops = Reactionary, soft-skinned SJW shit
Men being offended by a Gillet commercial = Real discrimination
Yeah... You're totally on the right side of this argument. Jesus, dude, you sound so fucking stupid.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 21, 2019, 11:16:13 AM
So black people being shot in cold blood by cops = Reactionary, soft-skinned SJW shit
Men being offended by a Gillet commercial = Real discrimination
Yeah... You're totally on the right side of this argument. Jesus, dude, you sound so fucking stupid.
excuse me, I'll hold you to showing where I think cops shooting black people in cold blood is 'reactionary sjw shit'
go on, show me where I ever said that. Back up your fucking accusation.
QuoteYet despite your sarcasm, your virtue signalling hasn't ever really extended to men such as the ones listed in the advert above, has it?
Yes, it has.
Thank you, next.
Quote from: Munch on January 21, 2019, 12:41:26 PM
excuse me, I'll hold you to showing where I think cops shooting black people in cold blood is 'reactionary sjw shit'
go on, show me where I ever said that. Back up your fucking accusation.
You said SJWs just overreact to stuff. Black Lives Matter is one of their biggest of recent movements. And yes, I distinctly remember you using that "All Lives Matter" argument to dismiss it. But, of course, I'm sure what you meant by "SJW" are those pink haired people who scream like a banshee, because they totally represent the whole group.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 21, 2019, 12:56:19 PM
You said SJWs just overreact to stuff. Black Lives Matter is one of their biggest of recent movements. And yes, I distinctly remember you using that "All Lives Matter" argument to dismiss it. But, of course, I'm sure what you meant by "SJW" are those pink haired people who scream like a banshee, because they totally represent the whole group.
Some people wearing a trendy mohawk hair cut might be actual Mohawks, but the original hair cut is more severe than culture appropriating White devils are doing.
Quote from: Munch on January 21, 2019, 08:08:42 AM
You know, when you acknowledge men can have a shit time of it, but then follow along with whoop-de-doo, what's that really say about you?
Women should just get a stiff upper lip, eh? Do British women sport mustaches?
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 21, 2019, 11:16:13 AM
So black people being shot in cold blood by cops = Reactionary, soft-skinned SJW shit
Men being offended by a Gillet commercial = Real discrimination
Yeah... You're totally on the right side of this argument. Jesus, dude, you sound so fucking stupid.
More White people are shot in cold blood by cops ... but not the correct percentage. We need to do a lot more of that shit. And shooting cops too, based on their percentage of the population. Identity politics wins.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 21, 2019, 12:56:19 PM
You said SJWs just overreact to stuff. Black Lives Matter is one of their biggest of recent movements. And yes, I distinctly remember you using that "All Lives Matter" argument to dismiss it. But, of course, I'm sure what you meant by "SJW" are those pink haired people who scream like a banshee, because they totally represent the whole group.
way to simplify what I said for your own end.
sjws do overreact, its called being offended by everything, even looking for things to be offended by, thats the nature of the beast.
Black lives matter is a movement, just like the #metoo movement, that started off with good intentions, until it was infested with social justice idiots making both things into toxic movements.
My jab at saying all lives matter was to bring down the toxic nature of such a movement now its become as toxic as it is, and not as a means of diminishing colored peoples lives, but to highlight everyone should be on equal footing.
Also if sjws want to have pink hair and scream like banshees thats their prerogative, its a shame because they look use to have more colorful meaning before it too because the look of loud mouth cunts who get offended by everything.
You still didn't show me an example where i think its okay for cops to shoot black people, but I didn't expect you to, since i'd never suggest something that disgusting.
Munch, you trolling or what? be straightforward with us.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 21, 2019, 03:01:23 PM
Munch, you trolling or what? be straightforward with us.
I've been accused of being okay with cops shooing black people. Whos trolling who?
Quote from: Munch on January 21, 2019, 03:30:10 PM
I've been accused of being okay with cops shooing black people. Whos trolling who?
No, you're being accused of saying that people to the "left" of you (in this case, reacting to African Americans being disproportionately shot and killed by police) are just being a bunch of cry babies, yet don't seem to realise that you are doing literally the exact same thing you accuse them of of, but making excuse for it because it's "your team" doing it.
All over a commercial that says bullying, sexual harassment and workplace discrimination are bad.
Firstly, stop trying to change the accusation to something no one is accusing you of so you can act like the victim.
Secondly, you literally are taking people's arguments in this thread, completely (and most likely intentionally) missing the point and making it out to be that they hate all men... and you want sympathy because you feel someone is misinterpreting your position?
Miss me with that shit, G.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 21, 2019, 04:51:01 PM
All over a commercial that says bullying, sexual harassment and workplace discrimination are bad.
Yeah. what Shir said,
@Munch.
You're severely over-reacting to a commercial that is just saying those things are bad. are you arguing that they aren't bad? Or is this something else? because if you are implying that the commercial is saying more than that, you're off-beat.
The commercial isn't saying "all men are misogynist bastards" or something even similar. you're simply insisting the message is more than what it is.
That hamburger commercial had a TOASTED BUN..GODDAMN IT.
Quote from: aitm on January 21, 2019, 05:34:45 PM
That hamburger commercial had a TOASTED BUN..GODDAMN IT.
Toasted buns are the finesse needed to change a normal burger in to a gourmet burger
All the people getting offended by the Gillette video are a bunch of perineums.
Oh, if you don't know what a perineum is, it's everything in between a pussy and an asshole.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 21, 2019, 05:33:22 PM
The commercial isn't saying "all men are misogynist bastards" or something even similar. you're simply insisting the message is more than what it is.
The devil is in the details.
Some YouTube comments from the video:
Quote from: The Iconoclast
My comment had close to 3k upvotes, now it has disappeared. How mysterious!
Quote from: Joe Doe
The more you tighten your grip, Gillette, the more thumbs down will slip through your fingers.
Quote from: Julian A. A. Young
Slander an entire gender for the degenerate actions of a few. Excellent business decision. For your competitors.
Quote from: blblbl
I have disliked this video 5 times already, everytime i come back i have to dislike again. Keep trying gillete
Quote from: Alejandro Levine
My comment hat 7k upotes and now it’s gone? Something suspicious here. Gillette will be losing a customer.
... and so on.
What are all these people missing?
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Tell me. What would happen if a tampon-selling company told their female buyers to stop bullying and be a good role model for other women be received as? As something to be applauded, or as someone with a double standard and sexist?
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The same director for the Gillette commercial did a body positivity ad directed at women:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsP0W7-tEOc
Now, that is an ad direction P&G should've have went for instead of this PR disaster.
QuoteWhat are all these people missing?
If you have to ask that, you clearly haven't heard a thing anyone said.
No one is saying you are "missing" anything; we are saying you are seeing shit where there aint none.
QuoteTell me. What would happen if a tampon-selling company told their female buyers to stop bullying and be a good role model for other women be received as? As something to be applauded, or as someone with a double standard and sexist?
Except that's not what's happening in this commercial, so try again chief.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 21, 2019, 07:40:12 PM
All the people getting offended by the Gillette video are a bunch of perineums.
Oh, if you don't know what a perineum is, it's everything in between a pussy and an asshole.
Aka a dick ... since that is the third category in Team America ;-)
Republicans complain ... fft.
Democrats complain ... totally justified
Yes, it is not OK to encourage unhealthy views of female body in women. All psychopathy is exaggeration of normal personality. But yes, an excellent marketing to women ... to say what sluts they are ... while trying to market nail polish to them.
Different times and cultures have had different ideals of feminine beauty .. but Twiggy never caught on.
Imagine Gillette saying, "rape,,its not that bad compared to the lives of children in Ethiopia." They would be right, you know. Being raped (I suppose) would be better than a lifetime of starvation and misery along with being raped and maybe having a limb loped off.....hey...it's all snowflakes and banana peels.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 21, 2019, 09:05:31 PM
If you have to ask that, you clearly haven't heard a thing anyone said.
No one is saying you are "missing" anything; we are saying you are seeing shit where there aint none.
Read it again, chief. They're actively deleting comments and downvotes.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 21, 2019, 09:05:31 PM
Except that's not what's happening in this commercial, so try again chief.
Women should hold other women accountable.
QuoteRead it again, chief. They're actively deleting comments and downvotes.
Shit, you're right. I forgot we are the one's who moderate the Youtube chat section. My bad.
That has nothing to do with you missing anything or seeing something where there is nothing, nor has anything to do with what either of us said.
QuoteWomen should hold other women accountable.
That's more accurate.
Of course, it then undermines what you said about people would be upset about that, since that is not something anyone would get upset over (at least, not any rational person... just weirdos who get triggered by shaving commercials), but eh... details.
Even in just the context of this thread, I don't think anyone is upset nor would be upset by an earnest statement that there are certain things women do to one another that should be discouraged and that women who point these these things out should be respected.
The problem is that's not what you are saying. What you are saying is, "HOW DARE THEY PICK ON US MEN! WOMEN SHOULD BE PICKED ON TOO THEN!" when no one is either picking on men nor saying they should be. You don't give a shit about "toxic femininity" when you post those videos, you just care about lashing out at people who have nothing to do with the topic at hand but are perceived as "the enemy" anyways.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 22, 2019, 07:50:02 AM
Read it again, chief. They're actively deleting comments and downvotes.
Women should hold other women accountable.
You can't delete downvotes... lol
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 22, 2019, 07:50:02 AM
"Read it again, chief. They're actively deleting comments and downvotes."
"Women should hold other women accountable."
"Women should hold other women accountable." ... they do, often by doxing (gossip). The matriarchy is far more prevalent in controlling women's behavior than the patriarchy these days. Most people are naturally status-quo aka conservative. Radicals always have to swim agains this, until they establish a new status-quo and are doxxed by their own children ;-)
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 22, 2019, 07:50:02 AM
Read it again, chief. They're actively deleting comments and downvotes.
You have nothing to back that up but the word of people whose word is worthless.
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Quote from: Mike Cl on January 16, 2019, 05:01:49 PM
And your are???
He is in a protected sub-culture same as I am (though for different reasons). #BelieveHim
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 22, 2019, 12:55:13 PM
You have nothing to back that up but the word of people whose word is worthless.
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Some bobobos are more equal than others.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 22, 2019, 12:52:43 PM
You can't delete downvotes... lol
actually, they can.
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1715144?hl=en
Quote from: Baruch on January 22, 2019, 12:54:24 PM
"Women should hold other women accountable." ... they do, often by doxing (gossip). The matriarchy is far more prevalent in controlling women's behavior than the patriarchy these days. Most people are naturally status-quo aka conservative. Radicals always have to swim agains this, until they establish a new status-quo and are doxxed by their own children ;-)
Are you on drugs?
Quote from: Mermaid on January 22, 2019, 03:11:13 PM
Are you on drugs?
Air is a molecule. Water is too. My body is mostly made up of the H2O drug, and I fill my lungs with the sweet delirium of O2 as often as I can.
It is well known in church circles, that the women police each other. Of course if you are in the "raised by wolves" part of society, and aren't a hyena (matriarchy) then maybe the boy wolves have been a little rough with you. But then, they are rough with everyone.
Quote from: Mermaid on January 22, 2019, 03:11:13 PM
Are you on drugs?
He's huffing that far right shit. Doesn't know which end is up anymore. In worse shape than a bad LSD trip
Is "far right" a synonym for Nazi, or Fascist?
Quote from: pr126 on January 23, 2019, 01:33:37 AM
Is "far right" a synonym for Nazi, or Fascist?
Very confusing terms. The fascists are anyone who ties state power to corporate power. Almost all modern societies are fascists. The Marxists are different, because they have the state power absorb the corporate power, because private property and enterprise are not allowed. Nazis were specific German fascists, and were in fact socialist (National Socialist Party or Nazi). The Marxists are socialists also. Today socialism = progressivism = Marxist but not just yet.
Right wing and Left wing come from the French Revolution .. Chamber of Deputies. The Right wing supported a constitutional monarchy, the Left wing were the radical republicans. So this only really applies to France in 1788 - 1799. Mixing memes is what New Speak is all about.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 22, 2019, 10:52:09 PM
He's huffing that far right shit. Doesn't know which end is up anymore. In worse shape than a bad LSD trip
Anyone not reliving Woodstock is ... a Nazi, right? Will the Flower Power 60s ever die off? My oldest god-sister got absorbed into a Matriarchal commune run by a Queen Bee. See what happens when you reject your evil parents? Her younger sister wisely stayed home. She eventually escaped from that cult once she had grown up a little more. But America hasn't yet escaped from the much broader version of Marxist Feminism.
Perhaps our feminists can take pointers from the clever Chinese ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p2lhxUqMMQ
This was ripped off by Pirates of the Caribbean of course ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fINeo6sWqGI
The English colonies were mostly founded on piracy-privateering.
Quote from: pr126 on January 23, 2019, 01:33:37 AM
Is "far right" a synonym for Nazi, or Fascist?
No. It's a synonym of you being do off kilter, that you can't see how much bullshit you are. I'd say the same, if you were in the far left camp, spewing that bullshit.
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You're not a nazi or fascist; you're just dumb.
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Far right is a term for a thought crime, wrong-think.
Quote from: pr126 on January 23, 2019, 02:19:18 AM
Far right is a term for a thought crime, wrong-think.
Far left is virtue signaling utopianism.
Rep Ocasio Cortez now says, world ends in 12 years .. prophet or profit? Also "kill the rich".
I will take Rep Tulsi Gabbard any day.
Quote from: Baruch on January 23, 2019, 02:21:35 AM
Far left is virtue signaling utopianism.
Rep Ocasio Cortez now ways, world ends in 12 years .. prophet or profit? Also "kill the rich".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWPKghRe4rQ
Quote from: pr126 on January 23, 2019, 02:28:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWPKghRe4rQ
She can always contribute by taking the bus to work, or even walking.
Quote from: pr126 on January 23, 2019, 02:28:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWPKghRe4rQ
Damn, home girl really got in yall's head though.
She is cute. And I never hold a girl's political theater against her.
Quote from: pr126 on January 23, 2019, 02:19:18 AM
Far right is a term for a thought crime, wrong-think.
Far right is not a term for wrong-think. They don't think, they believe. So, it is a term for stupid; a kind of stupid that does not seem to be fixable. In my family you could say "SFA" and they would know what you are talking about---I use that term (and have used it for a couple of decades now) to describe them--stupid fucking americans. Not curable.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 23, 2019, 09:10:39 AM
Far right is not a term for wrong-think. They don't think, they believe. So, it is a term for stupid; a kind of stupid that does not seem to be fixable. In my family you could say "SFA" and they would know what you are talking about---I use that term (and have used it for a couple of decades now) to describe them--stupid fucking americans. Not curable.
Well, as to applies to far left ideology, if we're at the stage of saying political and social beliefs are on par with religion. Which makes such members on this forum in the same boat of your own convictions I'm afraid.
Quote from: pr126 on January 23, 2019, 01:33:37 AM
Is "far right" a synonym for Nazi, or Fascist?
Nazis and Fascists are on the Right side of the spectrum, but not all people on the Right are Nazis/Fascists. You do know realize how ironic it is that you are literally looking for a reason to take offense in this thread, right?
"Please call me a Nazi! My persecution complex needs it!"
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 09:48:24 AM
Well, as to applies to far left ideology, if we're at the stage of saying political and social beliefs are on par with religion. Which makes such members on this forum in the same boat of your own convictions I'm afraid.
The far left are much fewer in numbers and effect. But they can also be termed 'stupid'. Any extreme ideology/religion/philosophy are into belief and not thinking.
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 09:48:24 AM
Well, as to applies to far left ideology, if we're at the stage of saying political and social beliefs are on par with religion. Which makes such members on this forum in the same boat of your own convictions I'm afraid.
Atheists .... no evidence for G-d.
Ideologues .... plenty of evidence for political idealism,
Quote from: pr126 on January 23, 2019, 02:19:18 AM
Far right is a term for a thought crime, wrong-think.
It's not a thought crime, it's just bad when you refuse to even acknowledge any facts, whatsoever.
It's bad when it's far right and it's bad when it's far left. All I'm asking of you is to be reasonable
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 23, 2019, 03:06:41 PM
It's not a thought crime, it's just bad when you refuse to even acknowledge any facts, whatsoever.
It's bad when it's far right and it's bad when it's far left. All I'm asking of you is to be reasonable
you know I don't think I've ever seen you accuse anyone on this forum of being far leftist in a derogatory way.
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 03:43:57 PM
you know I don't think I've ever seen you accuse anyone on this forum of being far leftist in a derogatory way.
Probably because they're not as deranged as the far-Right trio here.
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 03:43:57 PM
you know I don't think I've ever seen you accuse anyone on this forum of being far leftist in a derogatory way.
Lol I've accused Shiranu of this plenty of times in the past. He at least accepts, when he's been proven wrong though.
We don't have many far leftists on here. We have some moderate lefts, we have some people left of center. But even Shiranu, I would not call a far leftist anymore.
Whether or not I've talked about specific people on this site about being far left, I have been vocal about the far left frequently. Whether or not you want to acknowledge that is on you. Fact of the matter is, the only people we have far left or right is you and pr. And you two are far right.
Right winged people can be reasonable. I've talked with many and am friends with many, but you're not one of the reasonable ones. At least you don't give off that impression on here. Not you or pr.
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Quote from: Blackleaf on January 23, 2019, 04:00:12 PM
Probably because they're not as deranged as the far-Right trio here.
Baruch isn't far right. He's extreme centrist, as odd as a concept as that is... He just likes being condescending towards everyone
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Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 03:43:57 PM
you know I don't think I've ever seen you accuse anyone on this forum of being far leftist in a derogatory way.
For you, what does far left look like?
I'm left handed so.....there's that....
Far left behind?
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 23, 2019, 07:03:22 PM
For you, what does far left look like?
kind of accusatory to say something
looks like an extreme political ideology isn't it?
Its not what someone looks like, its what they think. radical political ideologies ends up bending someones outlook into a very confined set of ideals they can't break from.
A radical/far-leftist is someone who looks to ideologies like globalism and forced political ideals of progressiveness, often to the determent of others.
A radical/far-right is someone whos heavy on closed borders to all except their own lot or a regimented set of rules without deviation.
Both radical extremes are bad for anyone inbetween because those adhering to such religiously held political beliefs don't want anyone thinking outside their bubble. Thats the funny thing about far left, since they are just as much closed off from thinking outside said bubble as the ones they see as their enemy.
kinda like how blackleaf seems to think anyone outside his view must automatically be a far right.
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 07:57:26 PM
kinda like how blackleaf seems to think anyone outside his view must automatically be a far right.
Oh, you think I'm far-Left do you? I think I've proven myself more than capable of thinking for myself, and correcting myself when I am wrong. You, on the other hand, lack simple self-reflection. You accuse others of the very things you're guilty of. Earlier, I referred to you as an apologist, because that is how I view you. You act exactly like a Christian apologist, twisting words to your benefit and ignoring facts.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 23, 2019, 04:18:03 PM
Baruch isn't far right. He's extreme centrist, as odd as a concept as that is... He just likes being condescending towards everyone
Baruch is hard to pin down. He seems to believe that both sides (Conservative and Liberal) are equally wrong, but he also spouts bullshit that is commonly heard from the alt-Right. I don't really care if he's Right or center, though. Nothing he says makes a lick of sense anyways. When I first came to these forums a few years ago, he immediately struck me as someone of high intelligence and experience with Judeo-Christian ideology. My respect for him dwindled pretty quickly with his apparent descent into madness. I would think that maybe it was just me, except that I noticed a lot of other people noticed him changing too.
I think Baruch is merely a troll who's trying to have his way with us. Who knows what he really believes when he's not trying to push our buttons.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 23, 2019, 08:24:55 PM
I think Baruch is merely a troll who's trying to have his way with us. Who knows what he really believes when he's not trying to push our buttons.
If he were a troll, why would he bother showing concern or his best wishes when someone's ill on these forums?
Acceptance? Trolls need love too.
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 07:57:26 PM
kind of accusatory to say something looks like an extreme political ideology isn't it?
Its not what someone looks like, its what they think. radical political ideologies ends up bending someones outlook into a very confined set of ideals they can't break from.
A radical/far-leftist is someone who looks to ideologies like globalism and forced political ideals of progressiveness, often to the determent of others.
A radical/far-right is someone whos heavy on closed borders to all except their own lot or a regimented set of rules without deviation.
Both radical extremes are bad for anyone inbetween because those adhering to such religiously held political beliefs don't want anyone thinking outside their bubble. Thats the funny thing about far left, since they are just as much closed off from thinking outside said bubble as the ones they see as their enemy.
kinda like how blackleaf seems to think anyone outside his view must automatically be a far right.
Jesus, Munch, you make some of the most weird comments. You say---"kind of accusatory to say something
looks like an extreme political ideology isn't it?
Its not what someone looks like, its what they think." And I say, no shit!!--When I asked how a radical leftists looked like I was not asking for a physical image, but how one of those would think and what they would espouse.
For me a far-left person would be one who was a Utopian of sorts--one who thinks living in a commune or a society in which all share in whatever wealth there is. Marx is an example. And I've personally known a couple of people who actually lived in a commune and sold everything they had, gave their paychecks to the commune and lived there. Those two stories did not end well.
A far-right person would be for total personal freedom with no regulation from a govt. Not an anarchist, since the right winger would most likely believe in a strong but thin govt. Ayn Rand is a good example of a far right philosophy.
That's what I meant by 'what's a far-right person would look like.'
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 23, 2019, 08:20:23 PM
Baruch is hard to pin down. He seems to believe that both sides (Conservative and Liberal) are equally wrong, but he also spouts bullshit that is commonly heard from the alt-Right. I don't really care if he's Right or center, though. Nothing he says makes a lick of sense anyways. When I first came to these forums a few years ago, he immediately struck me as someone of high intelligence and experience with Judeo-Christian ideology. My respect for him dwindled pretty quickly with his apparent descent into madness. I would think that maybe it was just me, except that I noticed a lot of other people noticed him changing too.
Blackleaf, I've shared two boards with him for over 20 yrs, I think. On the old board, which was pretty active at the time, he was quite intelligent (and probably the most learned member on that board), had a good way of writing and communicating with the various members and views of that board. But that board was almost all religious in the topics discussed. At first he was like that here. But lately he seems to have gone off the deep end; don't know why. Now he looks more like a troll or flamer and is not interested in an actual discussion. I sometimes wonder if he is ill or depressed.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 23, 2019, 08:24:55 PM
I think Baruch is merely a troll who's trying to have his way with us. Who knows what he really believes when he's not trying to push our buttons.
I don't think it's that simple. It does seem like he makes at least one attempt at high brow humor per post (like, up in the clouds high), but he's not trying to rile us up and get a reaction. Trolls don't last long here, and they're not hard to spot.
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 07:57:26 PM
kinda like how blackleaf seems to think anyone outside his view must automatically be a far right.
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Quote from: Mike Cl on January 23, 2019, 09:20:53 PM
Blackleaf, I've shared two boards with him for over 20 yrs, I think. On the old board, which was pretty active at the time, he was quite intelligent (and probably the most learned member on that board), had a good way of writing and communicating with the various members and views of that board. But that board was almost all religious in the topics discussed. At first he was like that here. But lately he seems to have gone off the deep end; don't know why. Now he looks more like a troll or flamer and is not interested in an actual discussion. I sometimes wonder if he is ill or depressed.
Politics made me swear allegiance to Cthulhu. I now realize that the only way to save the universe, was for the Cuban Missile Crisis to have gone nuclear. That way ... no Beatles etc.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 23, 2019, 09:22:09 PM
I don't think it's that simple. It does seem like he makes at least one attempt at high brow humor per post (like, up in the clouds high), but he's not trying to rile us up and get a reaction. Trolls don't last long here, and they're not hard to spot.
Not a troll ... a Swiss lawn gnome. Better than a plastic pink flamingo though.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 23, 2019, 08:52:59 PM
Acceptance? Trolls need love too.
Yes, but what love ... edited ... I actually don't want to negatively trigger people, but y'all are so sensitive.
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 03:43:57 PM
you know I don't think I've ever seen you accuse anyone on this forum of being far leftist in a derogatory way.
Would be nice, if everyone saved their ad hominems for ancient Romans they dislike.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 23, 2019, 08:24:55 PM
I think Baruch is merely a troll who's trying to have his way with us. Who knows what he really believes when he's not trying to push our buttons.
And you are a flammable paper mâché head apparently. Not prejudiced just saying. But stay away from matches.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 23, 2019, 04:18:03 PM
Baruch isn't far right. He's extreme centrist, as odd as a concept as that is... He just likes being condescending towards everyone
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Conde Nast-y. I am jest a jester, telling the truth in an parabolic way, at the court of would be monarch butterflies.
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 07:57:26 PM
kind of accusatory to say something looks like an extreme political ideology isn't it?
Its not what someone looks like, its what they think. radical political ideologies ends up bending someones outlook into a very confined set of ideals they can't break from.
A radical/far-leftist is someone who looks to ideologies like globalism and forced political ideals of progressiveness, often to the determent of others.
A radical/far-right is someone whos heavy on closed borders to all except their own lot or a regimented set of rules without deviation.
Both radical extremes are bad for anyone inbetween because those adhering to such religiously held political beliefs don't want anyone thinking outside their bubble. Thats the funny thing about far left, since they are just as much closed off from thinking outside said bubble as the ones they see as their enemy.
kinda like how blackleaf seems to think anyone outside his view must automatically be a far right.
I have put out a few borrowed videos ... from the better sorts in the IDW. One could learn a lot about escaping the current morass of group think from them. I have. And yes, I do care about all of you, and worry a lot about the teenage political bulimia/anorexia that goes on here.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 23, 2019, 09:28:15 PM
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Sounds exactly like something someone on the Far-Right would say, Pickle. I've figured you out! How long have you been a Neo-Nazi!?
As things degenerate, the degenerate go ever deeper into their paranoia ... who is a double agent? I know of no current poster here who is Agent Orange (Trump supporter). But that is just what those inscrutable posters want you to think ... bwaahha.
You guys can think for yourselves but not without the political demagoguery.
Orange man bad? So NPC.
That is groupthink, not independent thinking.
Dare not think outside the box, lest lose your street cred.
I, Munch and Baruch are different from the rest of the forum.
We think outside of the "approved" groupthink. That is offensive to some.
It attracts scorn, ridicule, and ad hominem from the rest of the "free-thinkers".
To me, it is not a worry. Other than howl, what can you do?
I predict that this post will elicit a chorus of disapproval. Nvm.
Quote from: pr126We think...
That's a bit of a stretch.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 24, 2019, 12:55:14 AM
That's a bit of a stretch.
Yes, for some it is.
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Quote from: pr126 on January 24, 2019, 12:16:14 AM
I predict that this post will elicit a chorus of disapproval. Nvm.
Yes. We are all hanging on your every word, obsessed with what new things you can find to be wrong about. It totally didn't get old over two years ago. I for one am shocked and deeply offended, and will dedicate the rest of my thirty seconds to persecuting--excuse me--telling you why you're wrong.
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Yes, Blackleaf.
I am wrong because I think differently from you.
I get that.
Next!
Quote from: pr126 on January 24, 2019, 02:56:55 AM
Yes, Blackleaf.
I am wrong because I think differently from you.
I get that.
Next!
INCEL group-think ... so? Those of us who DGAF ... are beyond INCEL-dom. We have reached the top of the mountain, only to find that it is cold as shit up here!
Quote from: pr126 on January 24, 2019, 12:16:14 AM
You guys can think for yourselves but not without the political demagoguery.
Orange man bad? So NPC.
That is groupthink, not independent thinking.
Dare not think outside the box, lest lose your street cred.
I, Munch and Baruch are different from the rest of the forum.
We think outside of the "approved" groupthink. That is offensive to some.
It attracts scorn, ridicule, and ad hominem from the rest of the "free-thinkers".
To me, it is not a worry. Other than howl, what can you do?
I predict that this post will elicit a chorus of disapproval. Nvm.
The most conforming folks in the 60s were the hippies. Young people are easily controlled. That is why armies are possible, and the Beatles. Just because the present generation has iPhones, doesn't mean they aren't the same NPCs as their baby boomer parents (and a lot who post here are baby boomers).
I see you, pr126, as a bit more hyper about the so called counter-culture/Resistance. Munch is more at peace with the inevitable destruction of humanity. His touchstone is Stonewall, not Woodstock. But at least you are warning the Internet about the infestation of Pod People.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnULSmNbCuo
Woody Allen was the ultimate INCEL. Now that the Ds are warmongers again, just like 1968, this fits. All part of the giant kosher conspiracy!
This is a very old practice ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language#/media/File:Letter_Luenna_Louvre_AO4238.jpg
Speaking of Woody Allen ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV2N4KSh3x4
Proof that kosherdom is behind progress. That and the Orgasmatron ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 24, 2019, 04:52:44 AM
I see you, pr126, as a bit more hyper about the so called counter-culture/Resistance. Munch is more at peace with the inevitable destruction of humanity. His touchstone is Stonewall, not Woodstock. But at least you are warning the Internet about the infestation of Pod People.
That's a fair assessment, but part of me still holds out hope in smaller accomplishments of everyday people. I have a deep respect for people like say David Attenborough, who while does everything he can to educate people on the natural world, hasn't shied away from telling it like it is about the problems humanity causes both for itself and other species.
It is frustrating to watch these young people marching against oppression and inequality when they have never experienced any in their lives. While unaware of the people who are really oppressed, enslaved, imprisoned, silenced and abused.
They most of the time do not even know that they are being manipulated herded like sheep to do the bidding of those who wish them harm.
It is getting out of hand lately, young people are so ignorant of what is really going on in the world.
Ignorant of history, even their own.
The cold war has not ended. It is gaining momentum.
Too many agitators, a bias and lying media, Marxist educators who are creating activist instead of teaching.
Where are we going with this?
Quote from: Munch on January 23, 2019, 03:43:57 PM
you know I don't think I've ever seen you accuse anyone on this forum of being far leftist in a derogatory way.
Munch, you're you're sitting so far to the right that even centrists look "far" to you.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 24, 2019, 08:58:32 AM
Munch, you're you're sitting so far to the right that even centrists look "far" to you.
I did my political compass check twice, and its still floating in the center left, so your wrong bro. Ever think maybe your so far left everyone else is to right of you?
Quote from: Munch on January 24, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
I did my political compass check twice, and its still floating in the center left, so your wrong bro. Ever think maybe your so far left everyone else is to right of you?
Funny, my political compass tests say the exact same thing. So why is it, then, that out of the two of us only you are parroting Faux News talking points?
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Quote from: pr126 on January 24, 2019, 02:56:55 AM
Yes, Blackleaf.
I am wrong because I think differently from you.
I get that.
Next!
The only area in which you 'think' is baking. Otherwise I have not seen you 'think' about anything. You and the christians believe--no thinking allowed.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 24, 2019, 09:31:10 AM
Funny, my political compass tests say the exact same thing. So why is it, then, that out of the two of us only you are parroting Faux News talking points?
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maybe because your american? And I'm english? proving national divides do create incomparable differences.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 24, 2019, 09:35:17 AM
The only area in which you 'think' is baking. Otherwise I have not seen you 'think' about anything. You and the christians believe--no thinking allowed.
Thank you. Have a cookie.
Next!
Quote from: pr126 on January 24, 2019, 09:42:35 AM
Thank you. Have a cookie.
Next!
You're welcome. And I'll have one.........or two....thanks.
Quote from: pr126 on January 24, 2019, 02:56:55 AM
Yes, Blackleaf.
I am wrong because I think differently from you.
I get that.
Next!
No. That was not the point. The point was that you bore me, wrong or not.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 24, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
No. That was not the point. The point was that you bore me, wrong or not.
You have the option not to read my posts.
Quote from: pr126 on January 24, 2019, 06:11:47 AM
It is frustrating to watch these young people marching against oppression and inequality when they have never experienced any in their lives. While unaware of the people who are really oppressed, enslaved, imprisoned, silenced and abused.
They most of the time do not even know that they are being manipulated herded like sheep to do the bidding of those who wish them harm.
It is getting out of hand lately, young people are so ignorant of what is really going on in the world.
Ignorant of history, even their own.
The cold war has not ended. It is gaining momentum.
Too many agitators, a bias and lying media, Marxist educators who are creating activist instead of teaching.
Where are we going with this?
Fukuyama was premature in declaring The End Of History.
Virtue signaling is bourgeois. Marx was correct, the only way forward is to exterminate them. The proletariat at least knows what real privation is.
Post-Boomer INCELS, gamer-boys, soy-boys, SJWs are even more blindly entitled than their Boomer parents were at that age.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 23, 2019, 10:10:35 PM
Sounds exactly like something someone on the Far-Right would say, Pickle. I've figured you out! How long have you been a Neo-Nazi!?
I was directing that towards Munch because he's being ridiculous
Quote from: Baruch on January 23, 2019, 10:03:26 PM
And you are a flammable paper mâché head apparently. Not prejudiced just saying. But stay away from matches.
Shouldn't that be
inflammable? LOL
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 24, 2019, 05:01:24 PM
Shouldn't that be inflammable? LOL
Irregardless ... vs regardless. Silly spelling bee. Spelling is for grade school.
This place is mostly gas...a good deal of crap..but mostly gas...mine as you all know..don't stink.
Well, I've never smelled yours, so you must be right! LOL
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 24, 2019, 04:43:01 PM
I was directing that towards Munch because he's being ridiculous
I know. I was being sarcastic, at Munch's expense. lol
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 24, 2019, 05:01:24 PM
Shouldn't that be inflammable? LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1n5VDUghaY
Indeed, what a country! (or as Trump would say "countrty")
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 25, 2019, 01:58:18 PM
Indeed, what a country! (or as Trump would say "countrty")
Giving credit to the originator of this meme ... you must now pay him one billion rubles. But you are triggered by Russians now. Just like LBJ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GK8ewRec7c
POV ... coming to USA from USSR back then, was a good thing. Now immigrants are terrorists.
I watched the ad for the first time just now. To be honest, I feel a bit patronized. I feel like I don't need a razor company to tell me how to conduct myself or to tell me to police other men's behavior. Just my two cents on the matter.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 25, 2019, 02:20:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1n5VDUghaY
LOL! I love the Simpsons.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 10:58:33 PM
I watched the ad for the first time just now. To be honest, I feel a bit patronized. I feel like I don't need a razor company to tell me how to conduct myself or to tell me to police other men's behavior. Just my two cents on the matter.
Just as long as you don't think it's part of some evil Liberal agenda, some war on men, or an attempt to normalize "transgenderism" like the morons in the comments section...
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 26, 2019, 12:24:22 AM
Just as long as you don't think it's part of some evil Liberal agenda, some war on men, or an attempt to normalize "transgenderism" like the morons in the comments section...
No, not at all. You'd be surprised to hear this since I'm from a conservative part of Germany, but I'm actually in a committed relationship with a trans person and bisexual myself. I'm very LGBT friendly, as odd as that may be for an otherwise conservative person. :P
Guys, if this ad came out couple of years ago, you would all give the reaction Munch did and then some. LOL What changed? Trump?
Pickel you took a pic of a woman sitting on a completely empty car in subway, because she put her bag on the empty seat next to her and posted here to show how 'selfish' women are. Remember? How would you react to this ad if you watched it in those days? It's just an example from the top of my head. I had similar ridiculous conversations with almost every male poster in this forum.
Frankly, you guys were at the right and pretty much red pill about these subjects. Almost everyone in this forum -Mike, Shiranu aside- gave reactions to everything remotely close to what this ad advocates worse than Munch is doing now very little time ago.
The ad is mainly about bullying. And it is a very serious, constantly growing problem everywhere around the world. It's defined with toxic masculinty, because of its often physical nature. Of course bullying doesn't have a gender. However, you people all know about trends like the red pill and where it arrived. There are young male generations who never had any relationship, growing up that there is no such thing as rape or sexual harassment, but only women lying. And that violence is something they deserve because of their form of behaviour; what's more sexual crimes and violence are necessary evils for society to proper itself.
This is no exeggeration. Toxic masculinity has already gone far beyond bullying and sexual harassment in traditional sense. And the main reason there will be more ads or campaigns like this pressing on male part is that there is a sickness out there beyond sexism rigt now. It also arrived to Middle East couple of years ago. As if there were any kind of equality in this shit of a land, now there are the red pill camps.
The last time I checked, there was a serious dicussion in a subreddit how a mass awakening/development is not possible without taking the right to vote from women in the US. While this looks very absurd right now, please remember what is happening in your country in general now would very absurd 5 years ago. And you feel so comfortable because nothing like that could ever happen in the US. LOL For starters, let me remind you women have a right to vote in most Middle Eastern countries.
Quote from: Mermaid on January 17, 2019, 10:29:31 AM
Are you a troll or do you really believe the things you write? Why would you assume I have a biased view and you don't? Are you somehow more evolved than I am? Do you know a single thing about me and how I think and function?
In a single post, you asserted that a whole cultural issue is fake and manufactured, and then in the SAME BREATH you admonished someone for not seeing things past the end of their own nose.
Just what I observed here in years. If you get into any conversation with Munch, you can observe that he can't follow a simple discourse and just throw the same thing over and over again. Subject is not important. He doesn't have an opinion. He is not intelligent enough to have an opinion. Assuming he is reading what is written to him in general, it seems he doesn't understand major concepts, certain dynamics and doesn't have historical or any kind of perspective. But then that's what we call 'the right'.
For example, pr and Baruch understand major concepts, certain dynamics...blah blah but write in a certain manner and support a certain point on purpose. With Munch, it doesn't look like that.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 25, 2019, 10:58:33 PM
I watched the ad for the first time just now. To be honest, I feel a bit patronized. I feel like I don't need a razor company to tell me how to conduct myself or to tell me to police other men's behavior. Just my two cents on the matter.
How is an ad telling people that they should be mindful about bullying and its causes patronising? Why do you think they are telling
you how to conduct yourself, are you a bully?
Yes, people should 'police' each others behaviours when it comes to bullying; give some sort of a reaction when they see something of the sort. Most of the time these things happen because nobody says or does anything about it and just ignore.
Suppose that three kids are bullying another one. Assuming you are an adult, you should intervene. Or could be between adults. There is always something to do about it. You don't have to be a hero jumping into the scene or save anyone, danger yourself. You can talk to the person being bullied or tell someone about it...etc.
This is what the ad is about in the simplest sense. And taking this as 'telling you what to do' is the toxic masculinity they are talking about in a nutshell.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 26, 2019, 03:59:11 AM
Just what I observed here in years. If you get into any conversation with Munch, you can observe that he can't follow a simple discourse and just throw the same thing over and over again. Subject is not important. He doesn't have an opinion. He is not intelligent enough to have an opinion. Assuming he is reading what is written to him in general, it seems he doesn't understand major concepts, certain dynamics and doesn't have historical or any kind of perspective. But then that's what we call 'the right'.
For example, pr and Baruch understand major concepts, certain dynamics...blah blah but write in a certain manner and support a certain point on purpose. With Munch, it doesn't look like that.
Maybe he is an East Ender? Got a problem with that, guv?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 26, 2019, 04:21:14 AM
How is an ad telling people that they should be mindful about bullying and its causes patronising? Why do you think they are telling you how to conduct yourself, are you a bully?
Yes, people should 'police' each others behaviours when it comes to bullying; give some sort of a reaction when they see something of the sort. Most of the time these things happen because nobody says or does anything about it and just ignore.
Suppose that three kids are bullying another one. Assuming you are an adult, you should intervene. Or could be between adults. There is always something to do about it. You don't have to be a hero jumping into the scene or save anyone, danger yourself. You can talk to the person being bullied or tell someone about it...etc.
This is what the ad is about in the simplest sense. And taking this as 'telling you what to do' is the toxic masculinity they are talking about in a nutshell.
You aren't a man and never can be ;-) I am not triggered by the ad, BTW ... I just like to pile on with pr126 and Munch, who are my favorite bros ;-)
Secret - I am a beta male not an alpha male. I do understand the 10,000 year war between men and women, and how productive humans are, when it is a truce. This comes from our primate nature, and how we are more like bonobos not chimps. I understand that with gender fluidity, you can't tell a book by its cover. We are a matriarchy, that likes to bitch and castrate males (see White Goddess).
What Turkey needs, is for its men to ... not shave their sacred mustaches off, and they need to find their inner ghazi. In short, they need to act like alpha males, not beta males. Men make boys into real men, women make men into cucks. You need some real men, but not too many ;-) Men make girls into butch. Women make girls into women. We need enough women to replace the population, given however many births there are per woman.
Liberals can't decide if there is just one gender/one sex or there are as many as there are people. Crazy shit.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 26, 2019, 12:24:22 AM
Just as long as you don't think it's part of some evil Liberal agenda, some war on men, or an attempt to normalize "transgenderism" like the morons in the comments section...
Everything is politics, at least in this blog. So going to the bathroom, with seat up or seat down (girls don't try the first at home) ... is a major battle of the war for Alpha male domination vs Alpha female domination. Alpha = dominant.
And yes, Liberals are evil, ever since the French Revolution. Kill them all (in video games).
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 26, 2019, 12:55:37 AM
No, not at all. You'd be surprised to hear this since I'm from a conservative part of Germany, but I'm actually in a committed relationship with a trans person and bisexual myself. I'm very LGBT friendly, as odd as that may be for an otherwise conservative person. :P
People: "It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma" - Churchill
Just don't use your conservativism, Germanism, or gender fluidity as virtue signaling. There are no good people, just saying.
To clarify, there is nothing wrong with being conservative, German or gender fluid.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 26, 2019, 03:59:11 AM
Just what I observed here in years. If you get into any conversation with Munch, you can observe that he can't follow a simple discourse and just throw the same thing over and over again. Subject is not important. He doesn't have an opinion. He is not intelligent enough to have an opinion. Assuming he is reading what is written to him in general, it seems he doesn't understand major concepts, certain dynamics and doesn't have historical or any kind of perspective. But then that's what we call 'the right'.
For example, pr and Baruch understand major concepts, certain dynamics...blah blah but write in a certain manner and support a certain point on purpose. With Munch, it doesn't look like that.
what an odd statement, everyone has a opinion, and one formed formed from experience, where they live, how they were raised, the people they interact with.
For example, my experience before coming to this forum was I was a gay atheist who wanted to find like minded people. I've always had a balanced view of what people want to follow or be part of or even just how they were raised. I detest heavy religions that force indoctrination, but give respect enough to people who casually follow something provided its not hurting anyone or them trying to indoctrinate others.
And yet, over the years being here myself, having once been someone who would march for equal rights in london parades and even hold up a rainbow flag and get mad at say games and tv not being progressive enough with its depictions of gays in popular media at the time, over the years while those things have grown, I've witnessed it grown in the wrong way, from the last 15 years seeing ultra progressives pushing their own hard lined agendas into the culture from how entertainment is shown to how political decisions are made.
To me the current era of the sjw or forced political agenda is as bad as the heavy handed forced political agenda of yesterday, its just the other side of the coin. And as someone whos believed a middle of the road look at how these things have developed, I can more then certainly have an opinion. The thing is, this forum doesn't have hardcore rightwing degenerates, despite your claims, since if you looked on somewhere like 4chan, you'd get an idea of how real right wing crazies think.
The reason why people like Baruch, pr126 and myself are often on the other side of the fence to most others here now, is we don't share the same collective outlook the rest of you seem to. I use to think we did in some way, but the way things have progressed in recent years has shown while you and Shiranu and Blackleaf and others have followed along with this current political system playing out, us three haven't, and thats where a lot of our disagreements come from, thats where the ad hominem stem from, not getting in line with the same group think.
But, I'm fine with that, and its funny, since I wouldn't have seen me sharing ideals Baruch more then a year ago, but guess you can find like mindedness is the most unexpected of places.
Baruch, most men have hipster beards here, not sacred mustaches. I was talking about the secular, even atheist-agnostic crowd about the red pill. Not the traditional, religious people.
Practically everything Munch and pr (especially the latter) have to say on American politics is shit I've seen a million times on Facebook, as well as 95% of the comments section of the video in question. But we're the ones guilty of groupthink? Sure.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 26, 2019, 11:48:34 AM
Baruch, most men have hipster beards here, not sacred mustaches. I was talking about the secular, even atheist-agnostic crowd about the red pill. Not the traditional, religious people.
No wonder Turkey has fallen on hard times. Jihadi beards are ... un-Turkish, and just shows how much Muslim Brotherhood has subverted your culture. You must all go die for Islam, but only as useful fools for Saudi Arabia.
Yes, there are secular people in Turkey for now. I wish y'all good luck, given the terrible situation you have absent-mindedly put your selves in.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 26, 2019, 12:53:57 PM
Practically everything Munch and pr (especially the latter) have to say on American politics is shit I've seen a million times on Facebook, as well as 95% of the comments section of the video in question. But we're the ones guilty of groupthink? Sure.
They are provocateurs against the local group think. I don't think, they actually accept what is on Facebook posts or Youtube videos, they are just using that as a blunt weapon against the primary attitude here. I also don't think that however collectivist the majority here are, none of you, other than Shiranu, is an actual revolutionary. So to that extent, bashing the comms, is overdoing it. And I like Shiranu ... I just don't accept his naive ideals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGO-SldLrNA
Well... at least Gilette seems to have reached their goal of making an ad that people want to go look at. And then bitch about online, to spread it even further.
Even I've seen it, and I avoid advertising like the plague. (Not that it helps; I don't buy Gilette and never will, but that's not related to the ad.)
The only Gillette I like is named Penn, and he spells it with a J.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 26, 2019, 12:53:57 PM
Practically everything Munch and pr (especially the latter) have to say on American politics is shit I've seen a million times on Facebook, as well as 95% of the comments section of the video in question. But we're the ones guilty of groupthink? Sure.
seems to be a recurring attitude here. Yet you got no problems giving your say on European politics and how things are handled over here. Its almost like your saying its fine for american to give their opinions on the rest of the world, but Europeans can't say a thing about america?
Naaah, couldn't be that.
I have just enough Indian (native murican) that I have difficulty "growing" facial hair..so I buy whatever razor is on sale, if it is Gillette I have no problem...course I have no issue with the ad either. Buncha snowflakes.
Quote from: Munch on January 26, 2019, 02:44:26 PM
seems to be a recurring attitude here. Yet you got no problems giving your say on European politics and how things are handled over here. Its almost like your saying its fine for american to give their opinions on the rest of the world, but Europeans can't say a thing about america?
Naaah, couldn't be that.
I can't speak for the others, but I don't really care about what's going on in the Europe. I have enough to worry about in Trump's America. European policies, for the most part, don't affect me.
I don't have a problem with you having opinions about American politics either. My problem is with your sources and how you come to your conclusions. I was probably hasty in labeling you "far-Right," but you can't blame me when you parrot Fox News, the official Conservative propaganda network.
I do think "far-right" is not accurate for either Munch or Baruch, and most likely pr as well. For as wrong and thickheaded as they are, they are certainly not neo-Nazis or any other branch of actual far-right ideology.
Even "alt-right" isn't completely fair since it does include traditional far-right ideas like neo-Nazism, white supremacy (which pr does admittedly start to get a little close to with his Eurocentricism) and anti-semitism, but unfortunately it is the most accurate catch-all label for that branch of ideology.
And frankly, their ideology does enable and support actual far-right ideologues (the best example of this so far is Bolsonaro in Brazil whom pr seems to be a fan of, or people like Wilders and le Pen) by making excuses for their radicalism just because they hate the same people... so I am not going to shed to many tears if they are offended that the term may be slightly too harsh for them.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 26, 2019, 03:42:39 PM
I do think "far-right" is not accurate for either Munch or Baruch, and most likely pr as well.
yeah, of course, whatever you say.
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Quote from: Munch on January 26, 2019, 04:08:21 PM
yeah, of course, whatever you say.
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I don't.
I mean, if you want to argue you are far right... cool? Go for it? But as it stands I wouldn't say any of y'all are far right.
That's a weird hill to want to die on though lol.
Quote from: Munch on January 26, 2019, 02:44:26 PM
seems to be a recurring attitude here. Yet you got no problems giving your say on European politics and how things are handled over here. Its almost like your saying its fine for american to give their opinions on the rest of the world, but Europeans can't say a thing about america?
Naaah, couldn't be that.
America is the 4th Reich ... with Britain's hand up the back side of its N American puppet ;-)
Quote from: Shiranu on January 26, 2019, 04:40:02 PM
I don't.
I mean, if you want to argue you are far right... cool? Go for it? But as it stands I wouldn't say any of y'all are far right.
That's a weird hill to want to die on though lol.
I thought people dying on hills was an american thing.
Quote from: Munch on January 26, 2019, 09:21:09 PM
I thought people dying on hills was an american thing.
If you have no better place to defend yourself from, a hill will do. Gives you some superior elevation.
Quote from: Munch on January 26, 2019, 09:21:09 PM
I thought people dying on hills was an american thing.
Perhaps, but the Brits perfected dying on hills against the Romans thousands of years before we even knew America existed.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 26, 2019, 10:54:13 PM
Perhaps, but the Brits perfected dying on hills against the Romans thousands of years before we even knew America existed.
Hadrian's wall. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian%27s_Wall)
Build that wall!
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 26, 2019, 04:21:14 AM
How is an ad telling people that they should be mindful about bullying and its causes patronising? Why do you think they are telling you how to conduct yourself, are you a bully?
Yes, people should 'police' each others behaviours when it comes to bullying; give some sort of a reaction when they see something of the sort. Most of the time these things happen because nobody says or does anything about it and just ignore.
Suppose that three kids are bullying another one. Assuming you are an adult, you should intervene. Or could be between adults. There is always something to do about it. You don't have to be a hero jumping into the scene or save anyone, danger yourself. You can talk to the person being bullied or tell someone about it...etc.
This is what the ad is about in the simplest sense. And taking this as 'telling you what to do' is the toxic masculinity they are talking about in a nutshell.
That's a fair interpretation of the ad, can't say I think it's off the mark. I personally interpreted the ad as grouping the bad apples together with the good ones a little too much. I feel like they didn't do enough to clarify that they are talking about a small minority of men.
Quote from: Baruch on January 26, 2019, 10:11:54 AMJust don't use your conservativism, Germanism, or gender fluidity as virtue signaling. There are no good people, just saying.
I'll try my best not to. ;-)
I want to describe something about the difference between European culture(s) and American culture(s) as I see it. I am not discussing good or bad. I am aware these policies have probably changed with Trump in the States, but unless you completely seal the USA and not let in any immigrants that's not gonna hold. What I want to tell is an exercise of power on something that is going to happen in any way to show the difference.
European culture is far more far right and racist than American culture contrary to the common belief. I am guessing the size of the land and population density, America being a new land could be the main reasons. But in the end, it is power to be exact.
A simple comparison.
There is this attitude of US in general that differs from other countries from giving touristic visa to patterns of behaviours of companies towards immigrants in even economic crisis. Yeeears ago when I first applied for an American touristic visa, I learned who Uncle Sam is, lol. Yeah, Uncle Sam. I found it different than any other country.
Uncle Sam asks you, your education and your job experience in years for example. He asks you for your basic id of course, then you already give your passport, but he is not interested in your birth certificate or who you are traveling with to the USA. He is not interested in what you are planning to do during your visit in the US, where you are going to stay. He is interested in your personal status when you want to travel to his land. And he gives you 5 or 10 years of touristic visa. (6 months at most at a time.) He asks you to show that you have money, but doesn't care who finances your trip.
Having said that, all Western countries ask for financial records, estate deeds, jobs for tourists from Middle East. This has been going on like decades. But to see if it exists.
On the other hand, European countries want to know who you are traveling with, if you are related, where are you going to stay and what are you planning to do in detail. United Kingdom wants the people's contacts you are staying with and special letters from them as confirmation and from the person financing the trip. If it is you or anyone else. They are not interested in your status, your education, your job history or experience...blah blah. They treat you as someone who doesn't have a right to travel according to them, but hey they can't stop it. Politely put, an unwanted tourist. The interaction in the consulas is weird, often bad. The United Kingdom doesn't even take the application itself from a consula, but via a visa company.
Now, applying to an American toruistic visa, you go to a consulate general or one assigned in a big city. People get into a que made according to 15 minutes apart appointments. Every group gets into the consulate -you can't bring any electronic device- and you sit in a big hall with other dozens of people start to wait. There are booths in front of you and when your number shows up, you go talk, give your papers and then finger prints and then go out. Clerks tell you what to do or how to correct if you have something wrong, not included that would cause you to be denied an American touristic visa. And then they send you your passaport with or without your visa. They also sometimes interview the applicants, but that doesn't happen often. They do not need it. It's basically a regular office you go into get your papers checked to enter a geographic area.
What I mean is that Uncle Sam treats everyone as a potential citizen. As long as you are legal with zero penalty he doesn't care who you are or coming from where. Your status matters. He only thinks/operates from the extreme point of 'if this person attempts to get lost in the States and not go back, is he/she a gain or a loss?" for every fucking person enters that building to apply. So everywhere is a 'colony'.
From a point of view of a someone foreign to both cultures, the USA is an empire; Eruope is a country.
And the other thing is what I observed from my relatives, friends living and working in the US is that if you are successful at what you are doing, you are not the first to go because you are an immigrant or a foriegner in a time of crisis. In Europe that is problematic in many ways. In some countries, you are out the door as soon as the word 'crisis' is in.
Now the irony. If you have an American touristic visa on your passaport, your chances of getting a touristic visa of any Western country gets much higher. The United Kingdom literally asks you, if you have been to the USA in its application form. Well, they actually ask if you have been to Canada and Australia too, but that's different.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 27, 2019, 05:24:56 AM
I want to describe something about the difference between European culture(s) and American culture(s) as I see it. I am not discussing good or bad. I am aware these policies have probably changed with Trump in the States, but unless you completely seal the USA and not let in any immigrants that's not gonna hold. What I want to tell is an exercise of power on something that is going to happen in any way to show the difference.
A simple comparsion. European culture is far more far right and racist than American culture contrary to the common belief. I am guessing the size of the land and population density, America being a new land could be the main reasons. But in the end it is power to be exact.
There is this attitude of US in general that differs from other countries from giving touristic visa to patterns of behaviours of companies towards immigrants in even economical crisis. Yeeears ago when I first applied for an American touristic visa, I learned who Uncle Sam is, lol. Yeah, Uncle Sam. I found it different than any other country.
Uncle Sam asks you, your education and your job experience in years for example. He asks you for your basic id of course, then you already give your passport, but he is not interested in your birth certificate or who you are traveling with to the USA. He is not interested in what you are planning to do during your visit in the US, where you are going to stay. He is interested in your personal status when you want to travel to his land. And he gives you 5 or 10 years of touristic visa. (6 months at most a time.) He asks you to show that you have money, but doesn't care who finances your trip.
Having said that, all Western countries ask for financial records, state deeds, jobs for tourists from Middle East. This has been going on like decades. But to see if it exists.
On the other hand, Europan countries want to know who you are traveling with, if you are related, where are you going to stay and what are you planning to do in detail. United Kingdom wants the people's contacts you are staying with and special letters from them as confirmation and from the person financing the trip. If it is you or anyone else. They are not interested in your status, your education, your job history or experience...blah blah. They treat you as someone who doesn't have a right to travel according to them, but hey they can't stop it. Politely put, an unwanted tourist. The interaction in the consulas is weird, often bad. The United Kingdom doesn't even take the application itself from a consula, but via a visa company.
Now, applying to an American toruistic visa, you go to a consulate general or one assigned in a big city. People get into a que made according to 15 minutes apart appointments. Every group gets into the consulate -you can't bring any electronic device- and you sit in a big hall with other dozens of people start to wait. There are booths in front of you and when your number show up, you go talk, give your papers and then finger prints and then go out. Clerks tell you what to do or how to correct if you have something wrong, not included that would cause you to be denied an American touristic visa. And then they send you your passaport with or without your visa. They also sometimes interview the applicants, but that doesn't happen often. They do not need it. It's basically a regular office you go into get your papers checked to enter a geographic area.
What I mean is that Uncle Sam treats everyone as a potential citizen. As long as you are legal with zero penalty he doesn't care who you are or coming from where. Your status matters. He only thinks/operates from the extreme point of 'if this person attempts to get lost in the States and not come back, is he/she a gain or a loss?" for every fucking person enters that building to apply. So everywhere is a 'colony'.
For a foreigner to both cultures, the USA is an empire, Eruope is a country.
And the other thing is what I observed from my relatives, friends living and working in the US is that if you are successful at what you are doing, you are not the first to go because you are an immigrant or a foriegner in a time of crisis. In Europe that is problematic in many ways. In some countries, you are out the door as soon as the word crisis in.
Now the irony. If you have an American touristic visa on your passaport, your chances of getting a touristic visa of any Western country gets much higher. The United Kingdom literally asks you, if you have been to the USA in its application form. Well, they actually ask if you have been to Canada and Australia too, but that's different.
Those are some keen observations. My own life experience as a European citizen mirrors your description completely.
UK treats the US as part of the Commonwealth, because secretly, we are. Five Eyes. Just in case ... let me say ... "Long live the Queen, huzzah!".
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 27, 2019, 04:43:51 AM
That's a fair interpretation of the ad, can't say I think it's off the mark. I personally interpreted the ad as grouping the bad apples together with the good ones a little too much. I feel like they didn't do enough to clarify that they are talking about a small minority of men.
Our nation was founded on the principle of 'might makes right.'. And we still worship at that altar. The majority of the US claims christianity--and they love that motto. Our foreign policy is founded on that motto. I have seen in operation in schools for my entire life, both as a student and teacher. As a student I felt it first hand and saw that the bully more often than not got off with a hand slap at most. Often the victim was asked to forget about it or live with it. As a teacher in a juvenile hall school, I saw it all the time. Many, many times the judge did not take the victim into account; or forced the victim to testify and if they did not, the charges were dropped. Trump has lived this motto--he had the might to do what he wanted and claim it was 'right' to do so. He was/is allowed to get away with it because he can wield a bigger club than most. All of that is bullying. And it is practiced by many more than a minority of men. (Yes, it is also practiced by powerful women, as well.)
There are no nations founded by beta males, or beta females. To Alphas, might does make right. It also gets you into a shit load of trouble with other Alphas. Churchill was an Alpha, Chamberlain was a beta. Beta males/females are always bitching, but except in rare occasions of total Alpha screw up, don't do anything serious against the Establishment. They are (and I am) sheep.
But of course, the US is the worst nation in history? The US was founded not just on violence, but also propaganda. The Founding Fathers were traitors and heretics. But the 75% that didn't flee to Canada in 1783-1788 ... needed a brand new narrative to replace the British one. Then in 1865, the US needed an updated narrative to replace the rebel one. Americans are no longer rebels by nature, that died in 1865. Sheep for over 159 years now.
I used to think of Europe as America's more mature older brothers. I'm not so sure about that any more. Speaking as someone who's rarely even left Texas, much less the country, I don't have much experience on the matter. But from what I've seen, Japan might be the country that's got stuff figured out. With an impressively low crime rate, and the introspection to see their own flaws. They're quite the contrast American "patriotism."
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 27, 2019, 01:45:35 PM
I used to think of Europe as America's more mature older brothers. I'm not so sure about that any more. Speaking as someone who's rarely even left Texas, much less the country, I don't have much experience on the matter. But from what I've seen, Japan might be the country that's got stuff figured out. With an impressively low crime rate, and the introspection to see their own flaws. They're quite the contrast American "patriotism."
Ah, but you can't become Japanese. Like in Periclean Athens, you have to be Japanese on both sides (father and mother) and be raised entirely in Japan. It is a monoculture ... with its own problems. Multicultural it isn't, in spite of Japanglish and other silly borrowings. Scratch the surface of them, and you find a Medieval racism like no other. Authoritarian as a katana blade to your neck.
I love Japanese culture. I would give my left arm, for US children to have to scrub the floors of their schools as a regular activity. But conformity bullying does lead to some suicides of children.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 26, 2019, 03:39:44 AM
Guys, if this ad came out couple of years ago, you would all give the reaction Munch did and then some. LOL What changed? Trump?
My mental health improved. Turns out I'm a pretty reasonable guy when my brain isn't trying to make itself implode.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 26, 2019, 03:39:44 AM
Guys, if this ad came out couple of years ago, you would all give the reaction Munch did and then some. LOL What changed? Trump?
Pickel you took a pic of a woman sitting on a completely empty car in subway, because she put her bag on the empty seat next to her and posted here to show how 'selfish' women are. Remember? How would you react to this ad if you watched it in those days? It's just an example from the top of my head. I had similar ridiculous conversations with almost every male poster in this forum.
Frankly, you guys were at the right and pretty much red pill about these subjects. Almost everyone in this forum -Mike, Shiranu aside- gave reactions to everything remotely close to what this ad advocates worse than Munch is doing now very little time ago.
The ad is mainly about bullying. And it is a very serious, constantly growing problem everywhere around the world. It's defined with toxic masculinty, because of its often physical nature. Of course bullying doesn't have a gender. However, you people all know about trends like the red pill and where it arrived. There are young male generations who never had any relationship, growing up that there is no such thing as rape or sexual harassment, but only women lying. And that violence is something they deserve because of their form of behaviour; what's more sexual crimes and violence are necessary evils for society to proper itself.
This is no exeggeration. Toxic masculinity has already gone far beyond bullying and sexual harassment in traditional sense. And the main reason there will be more ads or campaigns like this pressing on male part is that there is a sickness out there beyond sexism rigt now. It also arrived to Middle East couple of years ago. As if there were any kind of equality in this shit of a land, now there are the red pill camps.
The last time I checked, there was a serious dicussion in a subreddit how a mass awakening/development is not possible without taking the right to vote from women in the US. While this looks very absurd right now, please remember what is happening in your country in general now would very absurd 5 years ago. And you feel so comfortable because nothing like that could ever happen in the US. LOL For starters, let me remind you women have a right to vote in most Middle Eastern countries.
I still stand by that picture. "Manspreading" is a fucking stupid whine by people that just want to complain. We have nads between our legs. Of course we're going to spread them a bit. There are exceptoins where people spread their legs unfathomably wide, but it's fucking rare, but not nearly as rare as women putting their god damned bag beside them, taking up a full extra seat, minimum.
Also. Odd of you to shit on me, since I was defending the commercial in the first place. This is why SJWs make so many enemies. They piss on people like they're a fucking lawn sprinkler.
It should be noted that Gillette doesn't give a shit about this topic in any other way but the monetary value it brings them. They don't care about women or men. They care about you supporting them and that you buy their products
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 27, 2019, 08:02:03 PM
should be noted that Gillette doesn't give a shit about this topic in any other way but the monetary value it brings them. They don't care about women or men. They care about you supporting them and that you buy their products
Surely you'd agree then, that the kind of people their trying to appeal to in that add is the wrong kind of demographic? You say sjws, so you acknowledge they exist, so it can be argued those are the ones their trying to appeal to in some clueless belief that sjws are some majority demographic.
This is the same tactic marvel comics tried on, and are now losing money over, because the people they are trying to appeal to are a very loud minority, making these companies think their the ones to push towards for profits.
Quote from: Munch on January 27, 2019, 08:24:34 PM
Surely you'd agree then, that the kind of people their trying to appeal to in that add is the wrong kind of demographic? You say sjws, so you acknowledge they exist, so it can be argued those are the ones their trying to appeal to in some clueless belief that sjws are some majority demographic.
This is the same tactic marvel comics tried on, and are now losing money over, because the people they are trying to appeal to are a very loud minority, making these companies think their the ones to push towards for profits.
You're just looking for something to be offended. You are the equivalent of a leftist sjw. You are a conservative sjw. You are just whining for the sake of whining, eagerly looking for offense in something that is simply talking about being a good decent man.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 27, 2019, 09:11:49 PM
You're just looking for something to be offended. You are the equivalent of a leftist sjw. You are a conservative sjw. You are just whining for the sake of whining, eagerly looking for offense in something that is simply talking about being a good decent man.
Funny, it almost seemed like you were going for a rational conversation a post ago.
Kinda hard to be a leftist and conservative sjw the same time.
Quote from: Munch on January 27, 2019, 09:20:38 PM
Funny, it almost seemed like you were going for a rational conversation a post ago.
It's the right kind of demographic. It worked, didn't it?
Whether or not you agree with it. You have your mind on it. You helped direct traffic to THEIR video. You made them money.
It's marketing.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 27, 2019, 09:23:00 PM
It's the right kind of demographic. It worked, didn't it?
Whether or not you agree with it. You have your mind on it. You helped direct traffic to THEIR video. You made them money.
It's marketing.
You are gonna need to back up that claim of them making money of course. Seems like people also decided to stop buying Gillette products because of it, but let's see how their stock works out before claiming shall we?
Quote from: Munch on January 27, 2019, 09:29:56 PM
You are gonna need to back up that claim of them making money of course. Seems like people also decided to stop buying Gillette products because of it, but let's see how their stock works out before claiming shall we?
Look at the YouTube video. 1: it's monetized. 2: it has a shit ton of views.
YouTube does not give a fuck about dislikes. Reactions are reactions.
If you are willfully denying how youtube monetization works, that's on you
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 27, 2019, 09:35:53 PM
Look at the YouTube video. 1: it's monetized. 2: it has a shit ton of views.
YouTube does not give a fuck about dislikes. Reactions are reactions.
If you are willfully denying how youtube monetization works, that's on you
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Urm.. I said stock, not YouTube monetization. Long term stock
Quote from: Munch on January 27, 2019, 09:37:42 PM
Urm.. I said stock, not YouTube monetization. Long term stock
I think they don't care. Even if they dip a tiny bit, it's good for them in the long run. They know this.
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 27, 2019, 09:45:33 PM
I think they don't care. Even if they dip a tiny bit, it's good for them in the long run. They know this.
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Care to explain how?
Quote from: Munch on January 27, 2019, 09:53:39 PM
Care to explain how?
Bad news is better than no news at all. Trump knows this ;-)
Quote from: Munch on January 27, 2019, 09:29:56 PM
You are gonna need to back up that claim of them making money of course. Seems like people also decided to stop buying Gillette products because of it, but let's see how their stock works out before claiming shall we?
Proctor and Gambles stocks seem to be doing perfectly fine, and the C.E.O. is continuing to say that toxic masculinity is a problem... so either the backlash against this non-issue is as over-exaggerated as one would expect, the people who like the message out number yall, or they were honest about the message and really don't care how it effects their stocks.
So its a lose/lose/lose scenario either way for the people who took offense where there was none.
CEO = Completely Emo Orangutan. Same for the soy boys at other corporations. The last place I will look for morality advice is from a corporation, they are on the same level as politicians (see BuzzFeed). Or that cringing Catholic Bishop who tried to get ahead of the Covington HS non-event.
Quote from: Munch on January 27, 2019, 09:53:39 PM
Care to explain how?
Do you remember how Keurig and Target and Nike triggered conservatives so now no one buys any of their products? Me neither.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 27, 2019, 11:34:50 PM
Do you remember how Keurig and Target and Nike triggered conservatives so now no one buys any of their products? Me neither.
Keurig and Nike are totally rip-off corporations. Now that K-Mart is closing, Target is just about the only competition to Walmart ... so I give them a pass.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 27, 2019, 08:02:03 PM
I still stand by that picture. "Manspreading" is a fucking stupid whine by people that just want to complain. We have nads between our legs. Of course we're going to spread them a bit. There are exceptoins where people spread their legs unfathomably wide, but it's fucking rare, but not nearly as rare as women putting their god damned bag beside them, taking up a full extra seat, minimum.
Also. Odd of you to shit on me, since I was defending the commercial in the first place. This is why SJWs make so many enemies. They piss on people like they're a fucking lawn sprinkler.
It should be noted that Gillette doesn't give a shit about this topic in any other way but the monetary value it brings them. They don't care about women or men. They care about you supporting them and that you buy their products
Have you seen this dumbass video from Buzzfeed about the supposed manspreading problem? I don't know what's so hard to understand about "I've got a big old dick and some big old balls between my legs that need some space."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T77frLL_bsg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T77frLL_bsg)
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 27, 2019, 08:02:03 PM
I still stand by that picture. "Manspreading" is a fucking stupid whine by people that just want to complain. We have nads between our legs. Of course we're going to spread them a bit. There are exceptoins where people spread their legs unfathomably wide, but it's fucking rare, but not nearly as rare as women putting their god damned bag beside them, taking up a full extra seat, minimum.
Your picture is not about "manspreading", because there are no people sitting side by side. Your picture is not about women putting their bags beside them and prevent someone from using the seat, because the car is empty and there are empty seats others can sit and put their bags on too. She is not overlapping anyone's place, freedom or right to a place or being selfish. She is just sitting there.
You took that pic and posted to imitate what other young men online doing in certain web sites. Because there has been a trend both young men and young women produced toxicity just to channel their anger and bullshit into each other or just because they are bored and you wanted to get a side and score. Contributed to the toxic bullshit which has no meaning at all which by the way is the culture of Trump's base mass.
If someone has put their bag on an empty seat beside them when there is no place to sit, you go and tell them to remove their stuff. Most likely they wold and you sit down. If they don't, you can argue, take the bag and throw it and sit, or make a complaint or ignore. Up to you.
Someone doing something like this is just an asshole; crass, rude, vulgar...there are many names for it. It has nothing to do with gender. Not just about putting bags. There is something men need to get. Women can be assholes, rude, vulgar, crass people as much as men, sometimes more. That doesn't make them less women. Same goes with men. This is not about gender.
Now, as the daily life dynamics go, when we extend a polite gesture; open doors, give way in traffic, give seat to someone...etc we expect a polite comeback, a 'thank you' as the social contract implies. And when people don't do this we get annoyed. However, something else happens here in certain situations. People get annoyed more, actually often angry when the person is being rude to them is from the gender they are attracted to. Esp. When young. It doesn't just become personal, it also suddenly becomes about their own gender. When you are mature, if you think these things are big problems and a means to wage a rat race, you are not mature yet or you suffer from inferiority complex and lack of confidence. Again your gender doesn't matter.
When a het man faces a rude behaviour from another man of his peers, he is likely to say 'asshole' to himself, forget about and go on. When it is a woman esp. of an appealing age, it becomes personal. He doesn't even need to find her attractive. And he remembers this, he starts to recognise it everywhere. He wouldn't recognise other men's rude behaviour the same way. He doesn't eleborate on that.
Have you ever seen these pics of 'damned bag putting on next seats' taken with old women? No you haven't. (When assholes, they are usually far worse. Like old men. They don't fucking care about anything. Don't mess up with them.)
Have you ever seen a pic of the any sort taken with a women whose physical appearance is below the accepted social norms of attractive? No, you haven't. How many pics, memes are out there on these subjects with 'ugly', 'fat' women?
This goes for women too. However there is something different here. Women are expected to be soft, polite, smiling, attentive, naturally not assholes; pleasan as default just because of their gender. The thing is they are not; nobody is. I know you'll say, 'no we don't think that, we pretty well know'. This is not about thinking, it is the gender category; norm.
Those women are just crass, rude. They are not doing certain things becaue they are women. You take more attention, because they are women and you remember it. And what's more, because of the social order and because they are human and fucked up as much as men, as all humans are, they tend to exploit the certain conditions their gender role provides. Both genders do. They do it in different ways, in different contexts.
The social media toxicity has tured this into something they are not. Contributing to political agenda.
QuoteAlso. Odd of you to shit on me, since I was defending the commercial in the first place. This is why SJWs make so many enemies. They piss on people like they're a fucking lawn sprinkler.
Oh hi, Munch. How are you, did you lose weight? Nice glasses.
I'm not shitting on you. Saying that something has changed is not shitting on someone. I remember this clearly, because I told you exactly the same things then. It's a solid example, not a vague conversation. There is material to talk about.
I am trying to remind you and other male posters here, how you people reacted to this subject very short time ago. How trends and online bullshit which means nothing, exactly nothing actually shapes people's minds and become order of the day, serves political agenda.Trump's biggest support and voters are the
manosphere minded men. 4chan mentality. People who started to transform simple every day events to a waging war. This is NOT about ideologies, ideologies have been rendered ineffectuall long time ago. The fact that people adhere certain way of behaviours to certain ideologies is the result of propaganda; marketing of emotional abuse; marketing value of victimhood in mass scale. There is actual benefit gained from this in mass scale. In money and in other means.
Defending the Gilette ad? Are you 'defending' the gilette ad to take place at a side; support a team to fit in a certain label or because of what you personally think about it? You need to realise which one is it. This is exactly what I meant when I said Munch doesn't have an opinion. In worst case, it is the same thing with you taking that pic.
I don't feel obliged to agree with something because it is critisizing male behaviour just because I have a vagina. Exactly like I don't feel obliged to side with anything about the culture I live in; on the contrary I am usually the one critcising it.
QuoteThis is why SJWs make so many enemies. They piss on people like they're a fucking lawn sprinkler.
Translation: 'I don't like what you are saying, you must be something I don't like and the source of all harmful things.' What bullshit. You should have done much better.
I am not football a team supporter; this is not a match. I am not one thing when you disagree with me or another when you agree. I am pointing out a change in trend in the forum. Because you wouldn't take that pic now and you wouldn't support this ad then. (May be, you would take one in a good setting just because I said so, but then there are many online, no need.)
And this is important. It defines something much bigger than an individual's reaction or preception of events and relations in time. Memory; the individual thought; the society; history; course of events.
You are just trying to stand your ground with bullshit, assuming I am just writing this to shit on you. Does that sound familiar?
On a personal note, if you had some balls and confidence, with a bit of thinking you'd be able to realise I am also likely to remember that pic and the conversation because I was paying attention to you and taking you seriously and felt bad about what you did. Not because I have a vagina and waging a so called war against white men, because you know, I am a "sjw", but simply because it is something a person I had tiny bit of personal history.
QuoteIt should be noted that Gillette doesn't give a shit about this topic in any other way but the monetary value it brings them. They don't care about women or men. They care about you supporting them and that you buy their products
Of course they don't. And everyone knows that.
However, it is that easy to shape people. Esp. young ones. Young generations are learning almost everything via social media and mediums. Changing races and genders in movies and shows, writing CoC with certain terms will stop being a source of anger in the next 20 years. People won't even pay attention to it.
So yeah, American corporate democracy dictates your future, also by extension ours.
Quote from: Halkenburg on January 28, 2019, 03:31:14 AM
Have you seen this dumbass video from Buzzfeed about the supposed manspreading problem? I don't know what's so hard to understand about "I've got a big old dick and some big old balls between my legs that need some space."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T77frLL_bsg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T77frLL_bsg)
There is something that needs to be said about this related to the understanding of
personal space in American culture. May be then you realise why this "manspreading" thing got so exaggerated and ridiculous.
American culture has a comical obsession about personal space. Not just in public transport. Open space, everywhere. If you get 'close' to someone face to face asking directions, standing-sitting in a crowded bar, in a sense what is very normal in Europe chances are -esp. in a big city- people are gonna step back as if your are some sort of a physical threat or the worst case, someone is going to warn you about it. Highly likely a woman. Men are more tolerant to women. Also they are not a natural physical threat to most men.
Space in the States in any sense is used differently. From domestic architecture to cars, parking cars. It's like someone playing a building game for the first time. Everything is too far apart. If you do not have a car, you cannot do anything for example. Think about that in Europe, lol. Esp. in Middle Europe.
Good observation. The books on how to get along in business culture in foreign countries, always bring up the different notions of personal space.
In my own work, if I am standing close to another person, while they are seated, they take it directly as an implied physical threat. It is. At that point you get verbally warned, or you you might get a complaint from HR, or you might even get a fist. So not just "space" but "aggression". Americans can be quite aggressive or overly friendly ... and thus enter your physical space.
On the "man spreading" I simply ignore such things. I have no problems with women's purses or shopping bags either. The most tolerant thing for me to do is to just ignore you. I don't comment on excessive women's scent either. But things have gotten better in the last 35 years ... back in the 80s some people objected to you holding the door for them. Women because they were bitches. Men because of the pecking order. We are more polite now, in that people are more often holding doors at least for women and children, and not bitching about it. I get the door held for me, and I gracefully accept it, because I am perceived as elderly ;-) Take that, pecking order morons.
About "manspreading".
What is named "manspreading" is a term 5-6 years old. I find it funny, because the situation described has nothing to do with normally a man sitting and needing to spread their legs a bit, because of their genitals or because they are big. You guys forget something. If you are big, you don't sit beside someone as big as you, do you? You choose to sit beside someone relaitvely smaller than you. It's instictive.
It's something happens when big people -who are mostly men- lean their legs into the people sit besides them. And men are likley to do this intincitvely to women, but not to other men. (Two big men sitting side by side is not something happens usually if they don't have to, since the seats in question have average sizes everywhere around the world, inlimited number and it would be very uncomfortable.)
Actually, I am guessing, most men are not even aware of it. However they sit differently with other men.
But the videos and pics are ridiculous as Pickel's pic, even when it is really showing something. Exactly the same thing goes here. These people are rude. That's all. And exactly like men, women recognise what men do more than what women do. Same story.
Because women lean in too. Actually, according to my experiences, women act exactly the opposite of men and lean into people with their own gender without knowing or sit in a worse position beside them. They movemore comfortable. While men try not to spread, lean in or touch consciously sitting beside another men.
Personally, I experience both a lot. Mostly, if I am unconfortable, I make a movement and you know what happens mostly? The man sitting beside me tries to make a move to show me it's not on purpose. Body language. And then honestly, it doesn't bother me at all after that. A few times, I even chuckled to the gesture, others did a similar thing and it wasn't a problem. Communication.
But then there are people who does this purposefully. Ignoring you sitting beside them, leaning into and even sometimes leaning in more as you try to move. And that's not as rare as you think.
*** The thing is as I am saying for the third time, men do not spread their legs sitting beside other men. And I think it is a primitve unaware gesture of showing genitals to the female as lesser primates do. Showing manhood. Seriously. :)
If man-spreading is an actual sexual expression problem, then women need to bind their breasts or wear a chador ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 28, 2019, 06:53:25 AM
Good observation. The books on how to get along in business culture in foreign countries, always bring up the different notions of personal space.
In my own work, if I am standing close to another person, while they are seated, they take it directly as an implied physical threat. It is. At that point you get verbally warned, or you you might get a complaint from HR, or you might even get a fist. So not just "space" but "aggression". Americans can be quite aggressive or overly friendly ... and thus enter your physical space.
On the "man spreading" I simply ignore such things. I have no problems with women's purses or shopping bags either. The most tolerant thing for me to do is to just ignore you. I don't comment on excessive women's scent either. But things have gotten better in the last 35 years ... back in the 80s some people objected to you holding the door for them. Women because they were bitches. Men because of the pecking order. We are more polite now, in that people are more often holding doors at least for women and children, and not bitching about it. I get the door held for me, and I gracefully accept it, because I am perceived as elderly ;-) Take that, pecking order morons.
Why do kids are so hung upon things like that.
In a nutshell, because it is very easy to mess up with bullshit. They are harmless ways to channel anything you don't like. Anything you don't like about society, yourself...name it. You can't mess up real problems via social media camps. They can't even reach any station that would have an effect on a real problem when messed up.
None of this is real. It becomes something when it got carried to social media. When it becomes a meme, a vid, a pic to abuse people emotionally.
That's why all the current vids are designed to trigger their target groups in less than 5 secs, because their attention span is around that. And if they don't hear or see something instills anger, rage, victimhood which they can own up and consume like junk food, they don't understand it; they don't care either.
Why do you think self help is living its golden age? Body worshipping, fitness mania, veganism, crystals, reiki, the red pill, life coaching, the game, quantum healing...all the fucking mumbo jumbo is on the rise. Same bullshit. Religion. Placebo drug. Highly addictive.
What are the feelings this drug fakes? The feeling of being belonged to a group; the sense of self realisation; making yourself real. The most powerful ones in an animal like human. And the more they consume they want more.
Quote from: Baruch on January 28, 2019, 07:00:58 AM
If man-spreading is an actual sexual expression problem, then women need to bind their breasts or wear a chador ;-)
Ah ffs, see, this. What did I say? It's an unconcious behaviour at most times. This is the fundamental flaw in looking at human condition. I described something and you put it in a formula of the bullshit in seconds; men vs women. We are fucking monkeys, sweety. And we get it out in every opportunity. That doesn't mean we can't regulate human behaviour for the better. NOT correct, regulate. No, I am not talking about an utopia.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 27, 2019, 06:55:42 PM
My mental health improved. Turns out I'm a pretty reasonable guy when my brain isn't trying to make itself implode.
Naah, you are just getting old a bit. :) It's your and a lot of people's 'first shift' here. The world you know is interrupted and has a chance to turn into something else even if it wouldn't affect you directly. So your perception and perspective altered and you gained from it. Wait for a couple of decades, you'll feel like Yoda. :pp
On a serious note, you didn't look as 'bad' as you think before.
here you go, heres a female uncle tom, an aunty tom?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaLeNlAWgbY
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 28, 2019, 06:21:52 AMAmerican culture has a comical obsession about personal space. Not just in public transport. Open space, everywhere. If you get 'close' to someone face to face asking directions, standing-sitting in a crowded bar, in a sense what is very normal in Europe chances are -esp. in a big city- people are gonna step back as if your are some sort of a physical threat or the worst case, someone is going to warn you about it. Highly likely a woman. Men are more tolerant to women. Also they are not a natural physical threat to most men.
Space in the States in any sense is used differently. From domestic architecture to cars, parking cars. It's like someone playing a building game for the first time. Everything is too far apart. If you do not have a car, you cannot do anything for example. Think about that in Europe, lol. Esp. in Middle Europe.
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There are definitely some national/cultural differences when it comes to personal space (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxemics). I'm firmly in the camp that favors large amounts of personal space. Getting too close is viewed as a threatening or insulting (not respecting someone else's personal space is treated as disrespecting them). The US is apparently not too different from the UK and some north/central european countries, though people in other european countries prefer to be much closer.
I've heard stories about the Finnish being on the extreme end, preferring vast amounts of personal space (https://i.imgur.com/AzZMGph.png). I dunno how credible that stereotype is, but it sounds very appealing.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 28, 2019, 06:57:11 AM
About "manspreading".
What is named "manspreading" is a term 5-6 years old. I find it funny, because the situation described has nothing to do with normally a man sitting and needing to spread their legs a bit, because of their genitals or because they are big. You guys forget something. If you are big, you don't sit beside someone as big as you, do you? You choose to sit beside someone relaitvely smaller than you. It's instictive.
It's something happens when big people -who are mostly men- lean their legs into the people sit besides them. And men are likley to do this intincitvely to women, but not to other men. (Two big men sitting side by side is not something happens usually if they don't have to, since the seats in question have average sizes everywhere around the world, inlimited number and it would be very uncomfortable.)
Actually, I am guessing, most men are not even aware of it. However they sit differently with other men.
But the videos and pics are ridiculous as Pickel's pic, even when it is really showing something. Exactly the same thing goes here. These people are rude. That's all. And exactly like men, women recognise what men do more than what women do. Same story.
Because women lean in too. Actually, according to my experiences, women act exactly the opposite of men and lean into people with their own gender without knowing or sit in a worse position beside them. They movemore comfortable. While men try not to spread, lean in or touch consciously sitting beside another men.
Personally, I experience both a lot. Mostly, if I am unconfortable, I make a movement and you know what happens mostly? The man sitting beside me tries to make a move to show me it's not on purpose. Body language. And then honestly, it doesn't bother me at all after that. A few times, I even chuckled to the gesture, others did a similar thing and it wasn't a problem. Communication.
But then there are people who does this purposefully. Ignoring you sitting beside them, leaning into and even sometimes leaning in more as you try to move. And that's not as rare as you think.
*** The thing is as I am saying for the third time, men do not spread their legs sitting beside other men. And I think it is a primitve unaware gesture of showing genitals to the female as lesser primates do. Showing manhood. Seriously. :)
Why in the hell are you on about my comment that I made over a year ago about manspreading.
1: it was a commentary joke.
2: that bag was fucking huge.
3: it was over a year ago
4: (and most importantly) IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD AND I WAS ON THE SIDE OF PEOPLE SAYING THAT PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE AD ARE THE WHINERS.
Get over yourself, shoe. There is a reason I stopped talking to you and removed you from my personal life and shit like this is a huge fucking reason. Digging up and starting arguments out of nowhere for no reason even when that person is on your fucking side.
"What about *insert thing here*???...
What about *insert thing there*???..."
I swear. You and pr are the exact same, just on different sides of the political spectrum. Horrible at debating. Horrible at discussions 99% of the time. Immediately jump to off topic instances that don't even have relevance in the first place. It's impossible talking to both of you.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 28, 2019, 07:28:56 AM
Ah ffs, see, this. What did I say? It's an unconcious behaviour at most times. This is the fundamental flaw in looking at human condition. I described something and you put it in a formula of the bullshit in seconds; men vs women. We are fucking monkeys, sweety. And we get it out in every opportunity. That doesn't mean we can't regulate human behaviour for the better. NOT correct, regulate. No, I am not talking about an utopia.
Your better or my better? Yes, there can be sleeping with enemies, it is called marriage ;-)
What passes here as 'discussion' on this subject is everyone getting into their chosen camps and like posts against each other as teams. According to what; who is annoyed by what? It's like little 'Murrica. Rope pulling. What is that game called in English? Couple of years ago the flag on the rope was at the other side, now you are pulling to this side.
And I am asking 'Hey guys, there is a shift to the opposite direction in your attitude which is collective by the way, what changed?' Gives a solid example. BAAAM! 'You are very bad at debating, you are baaad, baad Shoe.'
Fuck forbid someone asks what changed, adding 2 and 2 and ask people to take responsibility for their simplest actions, comments, opinions; ask about them to clearly point something out; come out and say 'What happened? Why?' Because it fucks the politically correct balance. We should like certain posters' posts and disagree with certain others. We shouldn't say, 'hey but your opinion was this, what happened?' We should live with a politically correct, soft, white amnesia, because then we shit on people. But why? Because we are 6 years old.
Why on earth would you think this is about 'shitting' on you, if you are so sure where you stand about that pic in the first place? Because you are aware how ridiculous it is. You also get perfectly what it represents related to this subject, in this context. It's a perfect example. And it is important. This is what you don't get. It's important and you should remember it, you should be aware of that change and why. But all you can come up with 'Shoe, you are baaaad'.
Frankly, you are the one who cannot get over himself. Otherwise this wouldn't annoy you at all and you could talk about it in any terms without throwing silly insults like 'sjw' or you are 99% bad...etc.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 28, 2019, 12:38:26 PM
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There are definitely some national/cultural differences when it comes to personal space (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxemics). I'm firmly in the camp that favors large amounts of personal space. Getting too close is viewed as a threatening or insulting (not respecting someone else's personal space is treated as not disrespecting them). The US is apparently not too different from the UK and some north/central european countries, though people in other european countries prefer to be much closer.
I've heard stories about the Finnish being on the extreme end, preferring vast amounts of personal space (https://i.imgur.com/AzZMGph.png). I dunno how credible that stereotype is, but it sounds very appealing.
Yes, I know. I get it. UK is not like US though. I thought the same, I was surprised.
See, this is not something as good, healthy or natural as it seems, Hydra. Because the conditions that casues simple things turn into cultural obsessions are very similar to the ones that make people call the police when an ordinary adult man is just talking to a kid for example.
I can elaborate that but honestly, I don't feel like it right now. We could talk about it later.
Quote from: Baruch on January 28, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Your better or my better? Yes, there can be sleeping with enemies, it is called marriage ;-)
My better then. Because you got married and that is enough evidence to question sanity as you know. You also have kids! :)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 28, 2019, 02:14:56 PM
My better then. Because you got married and that is enough evidence to question sanity as you know. You also have kids! :)
If these are the criteria, that does not bode well for me :cry:
Wait... never mind, I've not had much sanity for the longest time.
Also, I'll admit I did miss these furious back and forth discussions a bit in my absence!
Quote from: Plu on January 28, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
If these are the criteria, that does not bode well for me :cry:
Wait... never mind, I've not had much sanity for the longest time.
Also, I'll admit I did miss these furious back and forth discussions a bit in my absence!
Naaah, you've built a family without marriage.
So you guys got married? Last time we talked, you just had your son. Aw.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 28, 2019, 02:28:32 PM
Naaah, you've built a family without marriage.
So you guys got married? Last time we talked, you just had your son. Aw.
Depends on who you ask! Technically, we're "registered partners", but we've been that since shortly after the older one was born.
Some people seem to considered it married, or don't know the difference between the two. I consider myself married when the other option isn't available.
Also, the "aw" phase for my son has long since passed. He is now in the "argh" phase.
You are arguing with someone that was stating points that agreed with your point with a scenario that has nothing to do with this thread and was also over a year ago. And you wonder why I got annoyed?
Get real.
People who agree arguing like crazy over shit they really don't care about......ahhh this place is almost back to normal.......
Quote from: Plu on January 28, 2019, 03:00:18 PM
Depends on who you ask! Technically, we're "registered partners", but we've been that since shortly after the older one was born.
Some people seem to considered it married, or don't know the difference between the two. I consider myself married when the other option isn't available.
Also, the "aw" phase for my son has long since passed. He is now in the "argh" phase.
LOL The idea of marriage changes according to people, not just cultures. You'd think two people living together and taking a huge responsibility of raising kids should be enough. And it is. I remember your family.
My prejudice against traditional marriage has turned into something else in the last couple of years. I have seen one too many toxic relationships, people I have known for more than 20 years acting in ridiculous ways, doing things out of character. Esp. this ceremony industry; wedding business. OW OW. People are insane. Mostly, women are insane. I don't think it is just about middle east culture. Because before I thought that. It is nauseating.
There is also another aspect. There was always a group of people treating marriage as life status, succces and meaning their lives, but now it seems that has reached some creepy, frightening levels. When I was younger we all talked about 'oh well it is an institution!'...blah blah. Now, it looks like 'it's a growing business!' for a growing group of people.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 29, 2019, 03:01:31 AM
LOL The idea of marriage changes according to people, not just cultures. You'd think two people living together and taking a huge responsibility of raising kids should be enough. And it is. I remember your family.
My prejudice against traditional marriage has turned into something else in the last couple of years. I have seen one too many toxic relationships, people I have known for more than 20 years acting in ridiculous ways, doing things out of character. Esp. this ceremony industry; wedding business. OW OW. People are insane. Mostly, women are insane. I don't think it is just about middle east culture. Because before I thought that. It is nauseating.
There is also another aspect. There was always a group of people treating marriage as life status, succces and meaning their lives, but now it seems that has reached some creepy, frightening levels. When I was younger we all talked about 'oh well it is an institution!'...blah blah. Now, it looks like 'it's a growing business!' for a growing group of people.
We have a term, in the US at least ... bridezilla.
Marriage, was invented by men for women (their legal rights, specifically to prevent bride-kidnapping and guarantee the return of the dowry in the event of divorce). This was originally nothing to do with romance (see Romeo & Juliet), but a business deal between the father of the bride and the father of the groom. So was run by the patriarchy. The mothers were running their own matriarchy inside the boundary of the patriarchy. Society has degraded a lot over the last 500 years in the West. We are basically feral weasels now. This may be new to Turkey, since you are so recently modernized.
Quote from: aitm on January 28, 2019, 04:30:07 PM
People who agree arguing like crazy over shit they really don't care about......ahhh this place is almost back to normal.......
Do we? Doubtful. My English is not very good, but I don't think it is that bad the point cannot be seen.
Other than that I know you missed me, honey. Mwah. You sound bored. :)
Baruch, first of all the modern state is roughly 200 years old. Modernized marriage is not even hundred years old. Actually, before 1960s there isn't much modernisation in the Western society concerning the relationship between men and women. Turkey was founded in 1923. Family and civil law was taken from Switzerland and accepted in 1926.
What 500 years? You cannot evaluate any events, phenomena, institutions before the modern state as the way you like it. I have told you this a hundred times. There is no law, there are no standards. Two different worlds. You don't just pick one thing and make a comparison.
The exact reason whay things going down with the new generations is that they have the anthropological knowledge that modern love marriage is very young, but instead of revolutionising the institution, they are transforming it into an abomination while they have more choices than their parents and grandparents. They are going backwards. And they see this as 'winning the game', but is actually shooting themselves in the foot.
Marriage is older than Abrahamic religions. It's invented so we could survive. It's not invented by men or women for some agenda. Patriarchy in that sense is something developed with centralized management and army system. Before and still during that everyone has to start breeding as soon as they are physically able which is illegal in the developed modern society. People easily die and live very short as you know. When there are not enough men, the few have to marry with dozens of women, because there is a need of people. And while this isa modern man's fantasy, imagine how difficult and a ridiculous job it is. A girl has to try to get pregnant as soon as she starts bleeding, because if she is strong enough to give birth and live, only a few of those kids will survive.
We are living through an era where/when the anthropological knowledge gets twisted for political agenda or any kind of personal gain. Because most people, like you, don't bother with historical perspectives. That is the problem. Kids learn this, because it is about men and women and then apply this to some sort of 'how to win in life'. But without no historial perspective, experience; the real world it doesn't mean anything. It just feeds modern victimhood addiction.
They are trying to live their lives professionally. And it gets extreme and extreme. Result is in the open.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 29, 2019, 03:01:31 AM
My prejudice against traditional marriage has turned into something else in the last couple of years. I have seen one too many toxic relationships, people I have known for more than 20 years acting in ridiculous ways, doing things out of character. Esp. this ceremony industry; wedding business. OW OW. People are insane. Mostly, women are insane. I don't think it is just about middle east culture. Because before I thought that. It is nauseating.
There is also another aspect. There was always a group of people treating marriage as life status, succces and meaning their lives, but now it seems that has reached some creepy, frightening levels. When I was younger we all talked about 'oh well it is an institution!'...blah blah. Now, it looks like 'it's a growing business!' for a growing group of people.
Yeah. I'm still very happy my "wedding" involved only the minimum number of legally required witnesses and the 15 minute meeting at city hall to sign the document. We even screwed up the "I do" step just because it sounds so traditional and pointless. Stories about people breaking up over failing to plan a wedding together are crazy, and people ruining themselves financially for them as well.
And the whole treating the marriage itself as a form of success is even more stupid. My grandmother got a divorce from my grandfather after nearly 50 years of marriage. She's never been happier, as the marriage had been a downer for her for decades. But, you know, a divorce means you failed. Being miserable your entire life is a form of success. Such silliness.
Drunkenshoe - People have been rutting for millennia, but it wasn't marriage. And initially, marriage wasn't sanctified the way people do it now, originally you would have had to whore yourself at the Temple of Ishtar, to break you in ;-) But on the Steppe, bride kidnapping was the norm.
Quote from: Baruch on January 29, 2019, 06:29:18 AM
Drunkenshoe - People have been rutting for millennia, but it wasn't marriage. And initially, marriage wasn't sanctified the way people do it now, originally you would have had to whore yourself at the Temple of Ishtar, to break you in ;-) But on the Steppe, bride kidnapping was the norm.
Oh you idiot. Exactly like your generation, they confuse the real world and sex.
Quote from: aitm on January 28, 2019, 04:30:07 PM
People who agree arguing like crazy over shit they really don't care about......ahhh this place is almost back to normal.......
I just realised everything started to go down after Buck was banned. Remember him? Not him specifically, but why he was banned? Sabrina was really spot on this. I am as much sober as you wrote that post. Pinky swear. Not the swear, the post.
I believe Buck started having health issues and was becoming more and more argumentative. The council decided to pull the plug
Regrettably
Quote from: aitm on January 30, 2019, 12:28:55 PM
I believe Buck started having health issues and was becoming more and more argumentative. The council decided to pull the plug
Regrettably
Really? If there was a health issue, why didn't you tell it openly? It's an anonymous character, like we all are, it would be the simplest thing to say out loud. Like you did with your thyroid issues. It's not even an issue.
Also, WOW, I have never seen you response anything this fast in the last 5 years, at least. What is it that bothers you? I was only talking about something
that shaped the forum's fate like, 7 years ago? Give or take. And it was casual.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 30, 2019, 12:47:08 PM
Really? If there was a health issue, why didn't you tell it openly? It's an anonymous character, like we all are, it would be the simplest thing to say out loud. Like you did with your thyroid issues. It's not even an issue.
I differ in your opinion about that, I have no issues talking about my issues. Someone else's is their business
QuoteAlso, WOW, I have never seen you response anything this fast in the last 5 years, at least. What is it that bothers you? I was only talking about something
that shaped the forum's fate like, 7 years ago?
I think maybe you are making more of this than there is. I have more time on my hands right now and just checked it. Dat all
Quote from: Munch on January 16, 2019, 05:35:14 AM
It's honestly fascinating this kind of social and political cognitive dissonance on it's own religious level of denial.
Swap the genders around, show examples of toxic femininity, women who abuse men or children, how there are women who are misandrist. I think we can agree you'd 'notice the problem' then
But the numbers don't lie, the downvotes at least show people are kissed off with this bullshit from anti male indoctrination from social justice groups.
As athiests, I at least expected a bit more awareness on this kind of over the top pc crap that takes a small example of bad behaviour in people and uses that to apply to all people of one gender (unless their black only the black guys are redeemable in the add your notice).
But that's the problem with social political indoctrination, you've convinced yourselves your doing good, because your following the same kind of group trends that other groups do behind stained glass windows.
So much for free thinking.
Edit: also, you don't see the problem of them using a clip of a youtuber in their anti masculinity advert, who denies the Armenian Genocide? Really?
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScXW0aCujgU41dRJyURKo3-ycTrcmjZC3yyBxspDztmlN96iAOxA)
Quote from: Jason78 on January 30, 2019, 02:02:07 PM
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This is exactly why I want to have sex with him and he why he constanly refuses.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 30, 2019, 02:32:57 PM
This is exactly why I want to have sex with him and he why he constanly refuses.
you want to have sex with homer?
don't let me be someone to remark on peoples tastes..
No. I want to have sex with someone who actually wants to know me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGBM5vWiBLo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyToHOWSV8
I'm not sure what the relevance of Blind Guardian is in this thread, but I'm not passing up an opportunity to listen to it :grin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AfNOKQdY-U
Quote from: Plu on January 30, 2019, 04:25:44 PM
I'm not sure what the relevance of Blind Guardian is in this thread, but I'm not passing up an opportunity to listen to it :grin:
:) Well... I am so Drunk....
I'm pretty much sober now. Seriously.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 30, 2019, 02:54:04 PM
No. I want to have sex with someone who actually wants to know me.
thats.. called having a relationship.
Quote from: Munch on January 30, 2019, 06:08:10 PM
thats.. called having a relationship.
No. I was just hot up, lol. I am just normal now.
Quote from: Munch on January 30, 2019, 06:08:10 PM
thats.. called having a relationship.
Relationships don't exist. They may want to have sex, but they never actually care about you as a person, about your money maybe, but not ever your person.
A friend is someone who slightly cares for you as a person but doesn't have sex with you.
Quote from: Munch on January 30, 2019, 06:08:10 PM
thats.. called having a relationship.
Nah, that's setting the bar for what's called a relationship much too high. Sounds more like a "good relationship" to me.
Guys, 'want to have sex with someone who wants to know me' is just a common female fantasy.
Quote from: aitm on January 30, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
I differ in your opinion about that, I have no issues talking about my issues. Someone else's is their business
I think maybe you are making more of this than there is. I have more time on my hands right now and just checked it. Dat all
OK. (I actually thought I typed OK before.)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 31, 2019, 01:47:55 AM
Guys, 'want to have sex with someone who wants to know me' is just a common female fantasy.
Funny, it's one of mine too. (Well... not much of a fantasy perhaps, but still something I desire.)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 31, 2019, 01:47:55 AM
Guys, 'want to have sex with someone who wants to know me' is just a common female fantasy.
I know. It makes my bosoms tingle. We are all half female. The fact that women are half male ... should be a strong warning.
Quote from: Plu on January 31, 2019, 01:54:36 AM
Funny, it's one of mine too. (Well... not much of a fantasy perhaps, but still something I desire.)
Well, so do I and probably does everyone else. It's just really not likely to happen and I don't want to dwell on it. And this makes me sad.
E:Hence the jump from Blind Guardian to Pink, lol.
The liberation of women, by the Pill ... is responsible for toxic femininity ... and the destruction of the family unit?
Back in the day, it was cheap Gin in England, in the early 18th century that created a wave of home wrecking. Was it enlightened atheists who stood against this scourge?
https://vinepair.com/articles/england-gin-history/
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 30, 2019, 06:00:24 PM
I'm pretty much sober now. Seriously.
Yeah, NIP only lasts a few minutes...