Islam Enters Congress (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/islam_and_congress.html)
What could possibly go wrong?
Islamist, martian, cat?
The Israeli-Palestinian issue has no solution. And a woman congress-critter from Minnesota won't solve it either. We already had a token (Dem party favorite topic) Muslim ... Rep Keith Ellison, also from Minnesota. He wasn't too bad, but he wouldn't take Hillary's strap-on so they cast him aside in 2018. He "got out of Dodge" and got elected State Attorney General for Minnesota.
The US might someday not be majority christian. Oh the horror. Oh "the who cares"?
Quote from: Cavebear on January 30, 2019, 12:33:14 PM
The US might someday not be majority christian. Oh the horror. Oh "the who cares"?
better it being one religious group that long ago conformed to state law on being unable to burn or behead people, then another religious group that still hangs and pushes gay people off roofs today.
If current patterns continue (and they might not), Islam may grow to become the dominant religion. Conservative Christians should think carefully now about whether or not they really want America to be theocracy. The same laws that favor Christians today could favor Islam down the line. Ultimately, though, I don't think things would change much. If all the Christians in America were magically replaced with Muslim versions of themselves from some alternate dimension, most everything would still be the same. Both Conservative Christians and Muslims are against LGBT rights, both think their religion should be taught in public schools, both want to ban abortion, both reject science that contradicts their religion and accept pseudoscience that sounds good to them. The biggest difference between Christians in America and Muslims in the Middle East is the amount of power they have. We are lucky to live in a (mostly) secular country.
you still think modern day western conservative Christians are on the same level as Islamic followers?
or do I have to remind you the worst attack on gays in america happened just 2 years ago, by a guy following Islamic beliefs?
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 01:01:07 PM
We are lucky to live in a (mostly) secular country.
If we can keep it...
Quote from: Munch on January 30, 2019, 01:26:19 PM
you still think modern day western conservative Christians are on the same level as Islamic followers?
or do I have to remind you the worst attack on gays in america happened just 2 years ago, by a guy following Islamic beliefs?
Modern day? No. But Islamic countries are not as developed as Western, Christian-majority countries, are they? Christianity has a very bloody history, even against their own people. Just as different sects of Muslims kill each other today, Catholics and Protestant Christians used to constantly be at each others' throats. But that was before secularization took root and removed power from the church. America was founded on the idea of a country free from the rule of the church. England assassinated its own king, and took power away from the throne. We do not live in Christian countries any more.
But even secularization hasn't completely stopped violence from Christians against people they deem a threat to their religion. Must I remind
you that violent crimes against Muslims far outnumber the reverse?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 30, 2019, 01:36:52 PM
If we can keep it...
Never went to Promise Keepers? The US has never been secular, outside of Berkeley Ca.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 01:37:19 PM
Modern day? No. But Islamic countries are not as developed as Western, Christian-majority countries, are they? Christianity has a very bloody history, even against their own people. Just as different sects of Muslims kill each other today, Catholics and Protestant Christians used to constantly be at each others' throats. But that was before secularization took root and removed power from the church. America was founded on the idea of a country free from the rule of the church. England assassinated its own king, and took power away from the throne. We do not live in Christian countries any more.
But even secularization hasn't completely stopped violence from Christians against people they deem a threat to their religion. Must I remind you that violent crimes against Muslims far outnumber the reverse?
Killing? Mostly Muslim against Muslim ... for various reasons, mostly outside N America. I don't fear Muslims (since I don't live in Israel or NYC). I don't fear atheists or gays for obvious reasons.
No, the US was founded on the notion that no State or Washington DC can dictate the one true religion of the country (establishment). They had that problem in GB ... Catholic in Ireland, Presbyterian in Scotland, Anglican in England. You are quoting that raping slaver, Thomas Jefferson, in regards to irreligion. And he was, with his cut up Jefferson Bible.
I await the day, when President AOC is sworn in on the Communist Manifesto however.
Quote from: Baruch on January 30, 2019, 08:07:25 PM
Killing? Mostly Muslim against Muslim ... for various reasons, mostly outside N America. I don't fear Muslims (since I don't live in Israel or NYC). I don't fear atheists or gays for obvious reasons.
No, the US was founded on the notion that no State or Washington DC can dictate the one true religion of the country (establishment). They had that problem in GB ... Catholic in Ireland, Presbyterian in Scotland, Anglican in England. You are quoting that raping slaver, Thomas Jefferson, in regards to irreligion. And he was, with his cut up Jefferson Bible.
I await the day, when President AOC is sworn in on the Communist Manifesto however.
The US is Christian majority, but secular in structure. Secular doesn't mean anti-religion. It means it takes no stand for or against any religion. Separation of church and state is secular government by definition. Christians would love to turn America into a Christian theocracy, but the Founding Fathers did what they could to prevent that from happening.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 31, 2019, 02:12:48 AM
The US is Christian majority, but secular in structure. Secular doesn't mean anti-religion. It means it takes no stand for or against any religion. Separation of church and state is secular government by definition. Christians would love to turn America into a Christian theocracy, but the Founding Fathers did what they could to prevent that from happening.
Almost true. What you folks want is ... no religion = secular aka Sweden. Your definition is technically correct, but it isn't what you mean.
And yes, various nut jobs have tried to seize power. Most notably the Abolitionists and the Temperance Union. The current SJW movement is a recurrence of this persistent Puritanism. Maybe secular puritanism, but still shit.
Non-religious secular the way Sweden has it, will arrive automatically when a country actually progresses. Religion will just sort of disappear when people are actually happy with themselves and their surroundings. It's pointless to try and force people out of religion, but if you just change their surroundings to be better, eventually they will stop needing the crutch.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 01:01:07 PM
If current patterns continue (and they might not), Islam may grow to become the dominant religion.
If projections are right (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/) by 2040 Islam will be the second largest religion in America with an astonishing (re-reads report) "2.1% of the nation’s total population".
Quote from: Plu on January 31, 2019, 02:44:15 AM
Non-religious secular the way Sweden has it, will arrive automatically when a country actually progresses. Religion will just sort of disappear when people are actually happy with themselves and their surroundings. It's pointless to try and force people out of religion, but if you just change their surroundings to be better, eventually they will stop needing the crutch.
My metaphysics says ... no. The progress you see is an illusion of the easily technophilic mind. You are basically saying, once we reach Enlightenment, we no longer need to eat.
Quote from: Poison Tree on January 31, 2019, 02:47:41 AM
If projections are right (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/) by 2040 Islam will be the second largest religion in America with an astonishing (re-reads report) "2.1% of the nation’s total population".
I advise all prophets to sit on their projections, carefully.
Quote from: Poison Tree on January 31, 2019, 02:47:41 AM
If projections are right (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/01/03/new-estimates-show-u-s-muslim-population-continues-to-grow/) by 2040 Islam will be the second largest religion in America with an astonishing (re-reads report) "2.1% of the nation’s total population".
Sometimes I forget just how little representation non-Christian religions have in America. Still, 2.1% seems a little low.
Quote from: Baruch on January 31, 2019, 02:52:36 AM
My metaphysics says ... no. The progress you see is an illusion of the easily technophilic mind. You are basically saying, once we reach Enlightenment, we no longer need to eat.
That just suggests your metaphysics are wrong; there's a fairly noticeable connection between how much of a shithole a country is and how religious it is, and between how happy a population is and how little religion there is. The only exception I know of seems to be a country that has fabulous wealth, which somehow skews people into being more religious and less happy,
while living in a place that isn't necessarily a shithole.
If you're happy and educated, you can fill the needs that religion fills in more productive and healthy ways, without having to feel bad or be controlled by an institution. The needs never go away; you're just protected against the people who would fill them in an evil way.
It's the same reason happy people rarely get addicted to drugs; they still have the needs that drugs fulfill, but they have healthy ways to fill them and so they don't need the drugs.
"Religion" itself isn't the need. Just an ancient institution that fulfills a very basic need amongst people, in a way that's easy to exploit by those in control of the religion.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 31, 2019, 02:57:43 AM
Sometimes I forget just how little representation non-Christian religions have in America. Still, 2.1% seems a little low.
If you define religion as "one true religion" then the total religion in the US is zero. As a freethinking Jewish person, I can say this and get away with it, bwahaha.
Quote from: Plu on January 31, 2019, 03:01:09 AM
That just suggests your metaphysics are wrong; there's a fairly noticeable connection between how much of a shithole a country is and how religious it is, and between how happy a population is and how little religion there is. The only exception I know of seems to be a country that has fabulous wealth, which somehow skews people into being more religious and less happy, while living in a place that isn't necessarily a shithole.
If you're happy and educated, you can fill the needs that religion fills in more productive and healthy ways, without having to feel bad or be controlled by an institution. The needs never go away; you're just protected against the people who would fill them in an evil way.
It's the same reason happy people rarely get addicted to drugs; they still have the needs that drugs fulfill, but they have healthy ways to fill them and so they don't need the drugs.
"Religion" itself isn't the need. Just an ancient institution that fulfills a very basic need amongst people, in a way that's easy to exploit by those in control of the religion.
If you live in Sweden, and love it there. Good for you. Psychology barely makes the cut off point of pragmatism. Humans have needs ... one of the principles of psychology. Needs are more or less fulfilled. When fulfilled, people are happy (optimists) and when not fulfilled they are unhappy (pessimists). Psychological needs however, compared to physiological ones, are limitless in scope. We both have the need of some tasty wholesome food. But I might like being whipped by a dominatrix, but you might prefer to be a furry ;-)
Humans have a built in brain chemical addiction that can be triggered by many molecules, but also stimulated by many thoughts or experiences (seeing a beautiful woman). The addiction part can work for you or against you. But it is there to keep you from committing suicide because of the absurd reality of human circumstances. It isn't that X is bad for you, but that too much or too little is bad for you. Water for example.
The most happy people, in the last 100 years, were Micronesian islanders who had low expectations from their environment, and happened to live in an environment that could supply that. It had nothing to do with technology. It is the West that has that fetish (and our cultural allies, the E Asians). Having high expectations, or living in an environment that can't meet your expectations (job sent to China), and an increasing population of competitors (men, women, children, foreigners, automation) ... and you have a formula for very unhappy, very destructive people.
Quote from: Munch on January 30, 2019, 12:47:21 PM
better it being one religious group that long ago conformed to state law on being unable to burn or behead people, then another religious group that still hangs and pushes gay people off roofs today.
If only there were some sort of third option...
No choice but to support the Jesus Party because islamist muslims exist, I guess. That's a compelling argument, right?
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2019, 02:16:58 PM
If only there were some sort of third option...
No choice but to support the Jesus Party because islamist muslims exist, I guess. That's a compelling argument, right?
what are you suggesting, forced atheism? I'd rather people figure out things in their own time then forcing it on them.
Quote from: Munch on January 31, 2019, 02:33:06 PM
what are you suggesting, forced atheism? I'd rather people figure out things in their own time then forcing it on them.
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I'm talking about supporting/voting for candidates who aren't religious cretins. Obviously. Is that too out-there to understand?
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
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I'm talking about supporting/voting for candidates who aren't religious cretins. Obviously. Is that too out-there to understand?
I'm sure you didn't mean to vote only for atheist candidates, in which case, good luck finding one. But I personally don't give a fuck what religion someone follows, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't try to push it on others. There are many Christians who believe in a God so radically different from the Biblical versions of God, they're basically one step away from being atheists. Hell, if a Moderate Muslim ran for office as a Democrat, I'd gladly vote for them over a Conservative Christian candidate any day.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2019, 02:16:58 PM
If only there were some sort of third option...
No choice but to support the Jesus Party because islamist muslims exist, I guess. That's a compelling argument, right?
All people who are straight, will blame gays etc ... when the time comes. Hope you have your clean undies for the cattle car trip. Don't worry, they will blame Jews also. The Ds will be there dressed as KGB, the Rs will be there dressed as Gestapo. Bipartisan politics, finally!
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
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I'm talking about supporting/voting for candidates who aren't religious cretins. Obviously. Is that too out-there to understand?
Ask the candidate if they are "woke" ... that includes both atheism, gayness, reverse racism ... all the liberal talking points. Don't you do that already?
If not enough people like you don't run for office, then you have to!
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 31, 2019, 03:01:28 PM
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I'm talking about supporting/voting for candidates who aren't religious cretins.
good luck with that.
Quote from: Munch on January 31, 2019, 08:15:20 PM
good luck with that.
Religious cretins, secular cretins, cretins and Cretans everywhere!
Old proverb ... All Cretans are liars, and I am a Cretan.
Why have such high expectations. Get in a tree, eat your banana and shut up.
Wow, two Muslims are in Congress... okay?
This is a nation of immigrants, I don't know why you would find that shocking.
But she called the president a motherf**. That's all right then.
A woman of substance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRTJCkxgEbo
Quote from: pr126 on February 01, 2019, 01:32:48 AM
But she called the president a motherf**. That's all right then.
A woman of substance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRTJCkxgEbo
Calling the President a motherfucker is putting it lightly.
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Quote from: Blackleaf on February 01, 2019, 01:44:26 AM
Calling the President a motherfucker is putting it lightly.
Pussy-grabber. The Clintons prefer cigars.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2019, 01:23:10 AM
Wow, two Muslims are in Congress... okay?
This is a nation of immigrants, I don't know why you would find that shocking.
Not like the US elected Sadiq Khan mayor of London ;-)
Quote from: pr126 on February 01, 2019, 02:22:51 AM
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We want AOC-Lenin now, INCELS of the World Unite, you have only to lose your Trump!
Start a war in Venezuela ... it has a jungle. Draft all the Dems and send them there.
I think Trump will win another term in 2020, which means that you lot can look forward to being miserable for another 6 hateful years.
Or enjoy 6 more years of brilliant comedy. I've never watched as many US comedy shows as I have since you guys elected Trump :grin:
Quote from: pr126 on February 01, 2019, 01:32:48 AM
But she called the president a motherf**.
If that's the worst thing you have on her...
Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2019, 09:29:18 AM
If that's the worst thing you have on her...
There is more:
https://www.bnaibrith.org/expert-analysis/some-congressional-candidates-spout-anti-semitic-anti-israel-views
QuoteIlhan Omar (D), a Minnesota state legislator who hails originally from Somalia, is campaigning for the seat being vacated by Rep. Keith Ellison (D), who is running for state attorney general. Some of her past tweets on Israel have drawn criticism as her profile has risen. In 2012, for example, she tweeted, “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evils of Israel.â€
QuoteRashida Tlaib (D), a Palestinian American running unopposed in Michigan and thus slated to become the first female Muslim to serve in Congress, recently criticized Israel during Hamas rocket attacks. “My roots as a Palestinian American are strong and important. I believe every human being deserves to live with dignity,†she tweeted. She keynoted an anti-Israel conference in Chicago in April and supported convicted Palestinian terrorist Rasmea Odeh in her bid to evade deportation from the U.S.
https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Muslim-Democratic-congressional-candidate-calls-Israel-apartheid-regime-562095
https://forward.com/fast-forward/416979/rashida-tlaib-and-linda-sarsour-wear-palestinian-robes-to-congress/
Quote from: pr126 on February 01, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
There is more:
https://www.bnaibrith.org/expert-analysis/some-congressional-candidates-spout-anti-semitic-anti-israel-views (https://www.bnaibrith.org/expert-analysis/some-congressional-candidates-spout-anti-semitic-anti-israel-views)
Saying that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has lead to massive suffering, and the Israelis aren't the saints that they are made out to be, is hardly anti-Semitic.
Being anti-Apartheid did not make Nelson Mandela an anti-Anglo, nor did fighting for civil rights mean MLK was racist against white people. Standing up to someone committing an ethical violation does not mean you hate everyone of their ethnicity.
Also, just to be clear... you are okay with Christian theocrats being elected and sitting presidents bragging about sexual assault, it's just when a Muslim woman wears cultural attire that suddenly it's too much religion in politics or the word fuck suddenly becomes to vulgar, yes?
You are right. Israel has no right to defend itself against Islamic jihad.
Because that's what it is. Jihad, a permanent war to eliminate the Jews.
And other infidels too, Allah willing.
Quote from: pr126 on February 01, 2019, 09:48:46 AM
You are right. Israel has no right to defend itself against Islamic jihad.
Because that's what it is. Jihad, a permanent war to eliminate the Jews.
And other infidels too, Allah willing.
That's not what I said.
I'm pro-Israel, and have been for quite sometime now. But I do not support the humanitarian abuses they commit, or programs like the settlements that make sure peace always will be unobtainable.
I am also pro-Palestine, and believe the overwhelming majority just want to live a normal life without constant fear of harassment or murder, without checkpoints that block them from work, family and humanitarian aide. But saying that does not mean I support the acts of terrorism their de facto representatives commit.
Where do you get your "facts" from?
CNN, MSNBC, the biased media? The White Helmets? From Hamas itself? The UN?
Quote from: pr126 on February 01, 2019, 09:34:54 AM
There is more:
https://www.bnaibrith.org/expert-analysis/some-congressional-candidates-spout-anti-semitic-anti-israel-views
QuoteIlhan Omar (D), a Minnesota state legislator who hails originally from Somalia, is campaigning for the seat being vacated by Rep. Keith Ellison (D), who is running for state attorney general. Some of her past tweets on Israel have drawn criticism as her profile has risen. In 2012, for example, she tweeted, “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evils of Israel.â€
QuoteRashida Tlaib (D), a Palestinian American running unopposed in Michigan and thus slated to become the first female Muslim to serve in Congress, recently criticized Israel during Hamas rocket attacks. “My roots as a Palestinian American are strong and important. I believe every human being deserves to live with dignity,†she tweeted. She keynoted an anti-Israel conference in Chicago in April and supported convicted Palestinian terrorist Rasmea Odeh in her bid to evade deportation from the U.S.
https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Muslim-Democratic-congressional-candidate-calls-Israel-apartheid-regime-562095
https://forward.com/fast-forward/416979/rashida-tlaib-and-linda-sarsour-wear-palestinian-robes-to-congress/
Neither of those quotes are antisemitic. Anti-Israel is not antisemitic. A Neo-Nazi saying that he'd rather have a President who didn't let his daughter marry a Jew is antisemitic. Israel is deserving of criticism. They've been mooching off of our tax dollars for years now, and they get away with it because Christian Republicans still think that the Israelites are "God's chosen people."
"I believe every human being deserves to live with dignity."
OMG! What a terribly hateful thing to say! We must get this maniac out of Congress immediately!
Quote from: pr126 on February 01, 2019, 10:18:48 AM
Where do you get your "facts" from?
CNN, MSNBC, the biased media? The White Helmets? From Hamas itself? The UN?
You're one to talk about sources, you brainless moron. You get all of your "facts" from Fox News and other Right-Wing propaganda networks. You're calling Shiranu's sources biased? My god, man. Look in a fucking mirror.
Would you prefer sources like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYqnCXzJxJE
I have to be honest, I'm not sure what part of what I said would be fake news anyways...
The settlements are objectively true... neither side debates they exist, only if they are a bad thing or not. My opinion however is that breaking international law by tearing people's houses and businesses down at gun point then claiming foreign land as their own is both morally wrong and counter productive to the peace talks... I am open to debate that, but I have no interest in debating on if something both left and right agree is happening is happening.
Likewise the fact that Israel was blocking humanitarian aide and shipments of medication to the West Bank is also agreed on. The argument from anti-Palestinian people is that they were shipping weapons in as well, and I don't mind debating if there are issues like that, but the truth is that medics and non-partisan journalists and observers have been harassed and even killed by the IDF despite being clearly marked as non-combatants.
Quote from: Munch on January 30, 2019, 01:26:19 PM
you still think modern day western conservative Christians are on the same level as Islamic followers?
or do I have to remind you the worst attack on gays in america happened just 2 years ago, by a guy following Islamic beliefs?
To answer this question from page 1...
No. But I also don't believe that all Muslims, particularly American Muslims, are inherently worse than conservative Christians.
Even the devout Muslims I know are not vocal about their beliefs, much less trying to force them on anyone, in large part because that would be social suicide for them... as well as the fact they are generally better educated and better off finacially than your average American.
This rhetoric is, yet again, literally borderline no different from the anti-Jewish rhetoric of early 1900s Europe, or the anti-Catholic sentiments we had here in the States around the same time.
Quote from: pr126 on February 01, 2019, 09:25:09 AM
I think Trump will win another term in 2020, which means that you lot can look forward to being miserable for another 6 hateful years.
Once hateful, always hateful. I have hated life since 1963-ish. Prove me wrong.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2019, 09:29:18 AM
If that's the worst thing you have on her...
Sorry, you need to check your INCEL privilege ;-)
Quote from: Plu on February 01, 2019, 09:27:08 AM
Or enjoy 6 more years of brilliant comedy. I've never watched as many US comedy shows as I have since you guys elected Trump :grin:
Not me. I voted for Gary Johnson. I would have voted for the corpse of Hitler, before voting for Hitlery.
Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2019, 09:41:12 AM
Saying that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has lead to massive suffering, and the Israelis aren't the saints that they are made out to be, is hardly anti-Semitic.
Being anti-Apartheid did not make Nelson Mandela an anti-Anglo, nor did fighting for civil rights mean MLK was racist against white people. Standing up to someone committing an ethical violation does not mean you hate everyone of their ethnicity.
Also, just to be clear... you are okay with Christian theocrats being elected and sitting presidents bragging about sexual assault, it's just when a Muslim woman wears cultural attire that suddenly it's too much religion in politics or the word fuck suddenly becomes to vulgar, yes?
You either fight for food and water, or you die. I know which the NPCs have chosen. To be martyred as pacifist scum.
Quote from: Blackleaf on February 01, 2019, 11:24:09 AM
https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Muslim-Democratic-congressional-candidate-calls-Israel-apartheid-regime-562095
https://forward.com/fast-forward/416979/rashida-tlaib-and-linda-sarsour-wear-palestinian-robes-to-congress/
Neither of those quotes are antisemitic. Anti-Israel is not antisemitic. A Neo-Nazi saying that he'd rather have a President who didn't let his daughter marry a Jew is antisemitic. Israel is deserving of criticism. They've been mooching off of our tax dollars for years now, and they get away with it because Christian Republicans still think that the Israelites are "God's chosen people."
"I believe every human being deserves to live with dignity."
OMG! What a terribly hateful thing to say! We must get this maniac out of Congress immediately!
Per Jewish officials, you are wrong. I am a Jewish heretic, I happen to agree with you. So who gets to determine what is Jim Crow? The KKK? Or their victims?
Quote from: Shiranu on February 01, 2019, 12:47:23 PM
To answer this question from page 1...
No. But I also don't believe that all Muslims, particularly American Muslims, are inherently worse than conservative Christians.
Even the devout Muslims I know are not vocal about their beliefs, much less trying to force them on anyone, in large part because that would be social suicide for them... as well as the fact they are generally better educated and better off finacially than your average American.
This rhetoric is, yet again, literally borderline no different from the anti-Jewish rhetoric of early 1900s Europe, or the anti-Catholic sentiments we had here in the States around the same time.
More like you want it to be anti race rhetoric to feed that virtue signalling. My argument is and always has been on the basis of cult like mentality created though religious indoctrination, which let's me at least separate someones ethnicity and where they came from apart from the indoctrinated beliefs they carry.
Or shall I give full details of the time I went on a date with a man of middle eastern decent and blew him under the seats, or the fact my cousin is getting married to her middle eastern boyfriend after years together and overjoyed for them?
I can separate someones faith from the person if they are prepared to make the effort. Seems like you can't get do that.
But then I'm guessing you think every white person you see might be an evil white Christian conservative, so makes sense in that regard.
Quote from: Munch on February 01, 2019, 04:05:15 PM
More like you want it to be anti race rhetoric to feed that virtue signalling. My argument is and always has been on the basis of cult like mentality created though religious indoctrination, which let's me at least separate someones ethnicity and where they came from apart from the indoctrinated beliefs they carry.
Or shall I give full details of the time I went on a date with a man of middle eastern decent and blew him under the seats, or the fact my cousin is getting married to her middle eastern boyfriend after years together and overjoyed for them?
I can separate someones faith from the person if they are prepared to make the effort. Seems like you can't get do that.
But then I'm guessing you think every white person you see might be an evil white Christian conservative, so makes sense in that regard.
You're evading the issue again. No one is denying that a cult mentality exists among Muslims. No one here is a fan of their religion. The point is that just because someone is a Muslim doesn't mean they're going to strap bombs to their chests and blow up a building. There are peaceful Muslims, just like there are peaceful Christians. Some of them are shitheads, just like some Christians are shitheads. Some of them practice their religion privately, and let other people live their own lives. Living under a secular government makes that possible.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 31, 2019, 06:52:20 PM
I'm sure you didn't mean to vote only for atheist candidates
Correct. That is not my position. I meant "religious cretin" with theocrats (Christian or Muslim) in mind. I have no problem with either so long as they abide by secular law and don't seek to undermine it.
QuoteHell, if a Moderate Muslim ran for office as a Democrat, I'd gladly vote for them over a Conservative Christian candidate any day.
I can picture the ensuing PR thread: "Atheist votes for jihadism. Liberal traitors to Western civilization embrace dhimmi status, just as Orwell predicted."
A secular government, doesn't equal a secular country. Sweden is secular, the US is not. I think that freedom of religion (or none) is high in both countries, but for different reasons. Both governments are secular. But as long as many religious people vote, people here are afraid, very afraid. This is why totalitarianism is necessary, you have to stop the shithead voters from voting. Only the virtue-signaling Illuminati get to vote (just like in the day, only the votes of Communist Party members mattered).
Somalia-Born Candidate for Congress Accused of Immigration/Marriage Fraud (https://cis.org/North/SomaliaBorn-Candidate-Congress-Accused-ImmigrationMarriage-Fraud)
QuoteThe Democratic candidate for a safe seat in the U.S. House of Representatives stands accused of immigration/marriage fraud and bigamy. The district is in Minnesota.
More precisely, Somalia-born, now-naturalized Ilhan Omar is accused of marrying her own brother while being married to another, as well as misuse of campaign funds, two probably unrelated matters.
The apparently cosmopolitan Omar, 36, is said to have used $3,000 in campaign funds for personal travel, including a trip to Estonia. The somewhat jumbled AP account of these events fails to explain why she went to that little country, which seems to be distant from either her background or her political ambitions.
Omar admits the marriage, more or less her second, to Ahmed Nur Said Elmi, and says that he is not her brother, but refuses to release any documents or specific information to support her story
Refuses to release specific information/documents? Where did we hear this before?
QuoteRefuses to release specific information/documents? Where did we hear this before?
Oh dear. Looks like you guys found your 2020 President, then :grin:
Quote from: Plu on February 02, 2019, 03:11:28 AM
Oh dear. Looks like you guys found your 2020 President, then :grin:
When you release "your" permanent record, including taxes etc, and not being perfect, you are shamed into suicide thru Internet bullying ... then you can tell us if this is a good idea.
If we aren't puritans, then these pecadillos don't amount to much.
Given current events, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the violences that christians, moslems, hindus, jews, etc commit. They are all just insanely nutso. All of them attempt to kill or subdue all the others wherever they have control.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 03, 2019, 01:47:20 AM
Ah Ben, serious thinker...
Presumed serial killer. Bodies in basement of his London apartment, some also found when his home in Philadelphia was excavated? Also a libertine both in London and Paris. Too much lightening?
Quote from: Cavebear on February 03, 2019, 01:54:22 AM
Given current events, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the violences that christians, moslems, hindus, jews, etc commit. They are all just insanely nutso. All of them attempt to kill or subdue all the others wherever they have control.
Violence is violence. Including ideological violence (aka N Korea). But that is what humans do.
Quote from: Munch on February 01, 2019, 04:05:15 PM
More like you want it to be anti race rhetoric to feed that virtue signalling. My argument is and always has been on the basis of cult like mentality created though religious indoctrination, which let's me at least separate someones ethnicity and where they came from apart from the indoctrinated beliefs they carry.
Or shall I give full details of the time I went on a date with a man of middle eastern decent and blew him under the seats, or the fact my cousin is getting married to her middle eastern boyfriend after years together and overjoyed for them?
I can separate someones faith from the person if they are prepared to make the effort. Seems like you can't get do that.
But then I'm guessing you think every white person you see might be an evil white Christian conservative, so makes sense in that regard.
Literally nothing you said had anything to do with anything I said.
You asked if Muslims are more conservative than American Conservatives, and I responded no (at least not in America, which is what this thread is about). Infact, American Muslims are significantly more likely to vote Democrat and progressive than they are to vote Republican and conservative, which means they are literally, statistically less conservative than American conservatives.
That is not opinion, that is not pandering to some minority, that is reality. If you have a problem with that... well, sucks for you, I guess.
It's also funny how you are the first one to bring up race, and all so you can talk about just how not racist you are though... and then start accusing others of being racist. But that is just par for course; literally anything you disagree with is apparently racist or sexist against you.
Guilty consciousnesses can be a bitch, I suppose.
US doesn't equal Britain. Our Queens are in Hollywood ;-)
To those concerned with Ethnicity, everything is about Ethnicity.
To those concerned about Race, everything is about Race.
To those concerned about Gender, everything is about Gender.
Thank God I don't care about Gods, LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on February 03, 2019, 01:54:22 AM
Given current events, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the violences that christians, moslems, hindus, jews, etc commit. They are all just insanely nutso. All of them attempt to kill or subdue all the others wherever they have control.
The answer is ... control. Don't give them control. Be an anarchist instead.
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 06:29:50 PM
The answer is ... control. Don't give them control. Be an anarchist instead.
Which you are (although closer to a nihilist). That's why you are here after all. To sow depression and hopelessness among newbies who visit and participants.
Quote from: Cavebear on February 22, 2019, 07:05:19 PM
Which you are (although closer to a nihilist). That's why you are here after all. To sow depression and hopelessness among newbies who visit and participants.
Hardly, I want military dictatorship. And removal of citizenship from most Americans. Your description of me was ... as clear a projection as you could make, of yourself.
Quote from: Baruch on February 22, 2019, 07:15:48 PM
Hardly, I want military dictatorship. And removal of citizenship from most Americans. Your description of me was ... as clear a projection as you could make, of yourself.
Nah, that's what Trump does. Spray others with what you worry of yourself. I've seem this guy too often and know his tricks... I don't need to do that.
But I think I really will make dinner and then go to bed...