It happened again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o40yZO2QPc
The Tragedy of Cultural Relativism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUXteUGhh7w
Darwin Award.
All of this guy's videos are incredibly and overly fallacious. Why should I waste my time with these, pr?
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 11, 2019, 01:38:27 PM
All of this guy's videos are incredibly and overly fallacious. Why should I waste my time with these, pr?
don't like having your world views challanged do you?
Well, lets ignore Paul Joseph Watson for a second, and look at the story he brought up, since your automatic response to just seeing him is 'No, no watch!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V9N3r2SNMI
and oh look, the report from cbc too:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/burkina-faso-edith-blais-travel-advisory-1.4970455
don't want to click the link and read? well let me spell it out to you.
Remember the report of the stupid christian missionary, who went to North Sentinel island to spread the word of jesus and got killed? Yeah, these canadians here are just as fucking stupid, because they didn't understand other parts of the world are different to where they come from, and thought 'peace and love' would follow with them, just like the christian thought the word of jesus would be with him and somehow shield him form danger.
if your so stupid to think other countries, with actual statistical proof of heavy violence and death rates, will just become welcoming to your words of 'togetherness', hate to tell you, but that picture in kids classrooms of kids of all nations holding hands around the globe promoting everyone being nice to one another, yeah they tell that you kids the same as they do about father christmas.
(https://rfclipart.com/image/preview/d8-15-b1/kids-of-different-ethnicity-join-hands-around-the-planet-earth-Download-Royalty-free-Vector-File-EPS-19120.jpg)
@ PicklelleEggs:
FYI
You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
Munch, shut the fuck up with your "don't like your world views challenged, do you" bullshit.
I said his videos are fallacious. If there is credible sources for this news, I'll look in to it, but pr's collection of YouTube bullshit is idiotic, at best
I'll check out your links a bit later, when I have time
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Quote from: pr126 on January 11, 2019, 02:23:56 PM
@ PicklelleEggs:
FYI
You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
If anyone would know about avoiding reality, it's you, pr. I'll take your word on that
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 11, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
Munch, shut the fuck up with your "don't like your world views challenged, do you" bullshit.
I said his videos are fallacious. If there is credible sources for this news, I'll look in to it, but pr's collection of YouTube bullshit is idiotic, at best
I'll check out your links a bit later, when I have time
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then maybe instead of just dismissing what pr posts, you look into it, like I did, confirm the story is true for yourself, instead of just handwaving it off like 'anything you post is meaningless' as you do you him so often.
however much you dislike people like PJW there is often at least a kernel of truth to what he's saying, and since we have the internet, you can easily look up if whats being said is right or wrong.
I found it interesting having seen the video today myself because it reminded me exactly of the north sentinel island case, and was going to post it until seeing pr already did.
How about pr gains credibility first, by posting something other than his bullshit sources and then maybe I'll use energy I'd rather use on jerking off or doing my work to look in to the things he posts?
Right now he's one of the like the crazed retards that yell about the end of the world on city corners
Quote from: Munch on January 11, 2019, 03:57:29 PM
then maybe instead of just dismissing what pr posts, you look into it, like I did, confirm the story is true for yourself, instead of just handwaving it off like 'anything you post is meaningless' as you do you him so often.
however much you dislike people like PJW there is often at least a kernel of truth to what he's saying, and since we have the internet, you can easily look up if whats being said is right or wrong.
I found it interesting having seen the video today myself because it reminded me exactly of the north sentinel island case, and was going to post it until seeing pr already did.
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You have the energy to complain about what he posts, and me, but not the energy to look up info to confirm if it is or isn't bullshit?
Quote from: Munch on January 11, 2019, 04:25:57 PM
You have the energy to complain about what he posts, and me, but not the energy to look up info to confirm if it is or isn't bullshit?
I didn't say it was confirmed bullshit.
I'm saying in the past, his posts have been proven to be confirmed bullshit. Especially when it's a video uploaded by the cunt that uploaded the videos he shared in the OP.
Whether or not this particular post is bullshit, I honestly don't care enough to find out one way or the other. I don't care about the subject simply because of the original poster.
I guess it's kind of the "crying wolf" metaphor. He cries wolf so many times, all that it does is it gets a huge groan from me. Maybe one time he'll be right about something.... for ONCE.... but who will even care about his posts because he's fucking detached....
you're almost as detached as him now, munch... now that i think about it
Quote from: pr126 on January 11, 2019, 02:23:56 PM
@ PicklelleEggs:
FYI
You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.
I wish all Democrats would hitchhike across Iraq or Morocco ;-)
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 11, 2019, 02:42:19 PM
Munch, shut the fuck up with your "don't like your world views challenged, do you" bullshit.
I said his videos are fallacious. If there is credible sources for this news, I'll look in to it, but pr's collection of YouTube bullshit is idiotic, at best
I'll check out your links a bit later, when I have time
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Yeah, NYT, Washington Post, CNN ... and other organs of Trotskyism.
Crying wolf? 60s Marxists are wolves.
Quote from: Baruch on January 11, 2019, 07:57:10 PM
Yeah, NYT, Washington Post, CNN ... and other organs of Trotskyism.
Crying wolf? 60s Marxists are wolves.
Oh look. another person that has discredited his own validity
Quote from: PickelledEggs on January 11, 2019, 09:06:45 PM
Oh look. another person that has discredited his own validity
Baruch seldom makes sense. Don't worry about it. The thing to worry about is if we actual atheists disagree with you. And we aren't.
@ PickelledEggs
You have decided long ago that everything I post are lies and garbage.
Why do you even click on them and read?
Would it not be better to ignore them and save yourself the trouble?
There is an ignore button on the forum.
Unless you think that I am posting for you personally? No, I don't.
Quote from: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 01:36:53 AM
@ PickelledEggs
You have decided long ago that everything I post are lies and garbage.
Why do you even click on them and read?
Would it not be better to ignore them and save yourself the trouble?
There is an ignore button on the forum.
Unless you think that I am posting for you personally? No, I don't.
The ignore button is a last resort. And not really an option for an Administrator. They have to read even YOUR ultra-right posts.
That's a new one. Ultra-right. A notch up from far right.
Can I best Hitler?
Quote from: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 01:47:11 AM
That's a new one. Ultra-right. A notch up from far right.
Can I best Hitler?
Beats me. Are you trying? But of course he was a Socialist. You do seem right of him. Do you deny Hitler was a Socialist?
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:51:42 AM
Beats me. Are you trying? But of course he was a Socialist. You do seem right of him. Do you deny Hitler was a Socialist?
Not at all. Socialist are leftist.
The EU is socialist.
Quote from: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 02:12:13 AM
Not at all. Socialist are leftist.
The EU is socialist.
Do you forget that NAZI stands for "National Socialism" and that Hitler took control of the industries for the purpose of the State? How is that not "socialism"? The Nazis and the Communists were not all that far apart is methods or approaches.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 02:22:31 AM
Do you forget that NAZI stands for "National Socialism" and that Hitler took control of the industries for the purpose of the State? How is that not "socialism"? The Nazis and the Communists were not all that far apart is methods or approaches.
Context.
QuoteDo you deny Hitler was a Socialist?
My reply was:
Not at all. Socialist are leftist.
I think you both oppose authoritarianism. But I think Cavebear is more open to materialist progressivism (aka an iPhone is progress, even while people don't make much progress at all).
Both Hitler and Stalin were socialist, so was Trotsky. But communism was carefully defined to not be socialism. Communism involves the elimination of private property, which Stalin did but Hitler did not. That was the propaganda for the Cold War, but not earlier. Socialism has more than one form, one of which is communism. Hitler's nationalist militant racist socialism was ... horrendous too.
Really both went wrong by being authoritarian. Without that, they would have both been raving lunatics on a street corner.
individualism and society's interests will be balanced one way or the other. I think most of us prefer something relatively free from our personal lives.
Quote from: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 02:27:50 AM
Context.
My reply was:
Not at all. Socialist are leftist.
Are you serious that you don't understand that Hitler was a National Socialist? I didn't realize that. The only real difference between NAZIs and the Soviets was that the Nazis wanted to expend their Socialism along Aryan racial lines and the Soviets thought of Socialism internationally through the Workers.
They are basically the same...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 02:34:34 AM
Are you serious that you don't understand that Hitler was a National Socialist? I didn't realize that. The only real difference between NAZIs and the Soviets was that the Nazis wanted to expend their Socialism along Aryan racial lines and the Soviets thought of Socialism internationally through the Workers.
They are basically the same...
Both embrace the idea that the means justify the ends (agree with those ends or not) ... including mass violence.
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 02:31:14 AM
I think you both oppose authoritarianism. But I think Cavebear is more open to materialist progressivism (aka an iPhone is progress, even while people don't make much progress at all).
Both Hitler and Stalin were socialist, so was Trotsky. But communism was carefully defined to not be socialism. Communism involves the elimination of private property, which Stalin did but Hitler did not. That was the propaganda for the Cold War, but not earlier. Socialism has more than one form, one of which is communism. Hitler's nationalist militant racist socialism was ... horrendous too.
Really both went wrong by being authoritarian. Without that, they would have both been raving lunatics on a street corner.
individualism and society's interests will be balanced one way or the other. I think most of us prefer something relatively free from our personal lives.
Well I'll be damned. Another rare sensible and well-thought-out post from Baruch.
First, thank you.
Second, I don't think of iPhones as the example of progressivism. That's a materialism concept. I'm more into better heath care and honest political elections (less gerrymandering and more voter enabling).
But I really do appreciate this post. You should try to do it more often.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 02:43:38 AM
Well I'll be damned. Another rare sensible and well-thought-out post from Baruch.
First, thank you.
Second, I don't think of iPhones as the example of progressivism. That's a materialism concept. I'm more into better heath care and honest political elections (less gerrymandering and more voter enabling).
But I really do appreciate this post. You should try to do it more often.
Then you fit here as badly as I do. Most here are hard core materialists (ontology) and adhere to a materialist version of teleology ... that per Aristotle, the oak tree is the means that an acorn uses to make more acorns, so is fire a means by which oxygen makes more carbon monoxide.
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 08:09:38 AM
Then you fit here as badly as I do. Most here are hard core materialists (ontology) and adhere to a materialist version of teleology ... that per Aristotle, the oak tree is the means that an acorn uses to make more acorns, so is fire a means by which oxygen makes more carbon monoxide.
You could get away with the acorn analogy, but not the fire one. The first has a direct relation between tree and seed. The latter is the opposite of what is wants. But, if you wish, support the oxygen analogy more. No one is watching except everyone.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 09:21:44 AM
You could get away with the acorn analogy, but not the fire one. The first has a direct relation between tree and seed. The latter is the opposite of what is wants. But, if you wish, support the oxygen analogy more. No one is watching except everyone.
It was a contrast. Unbeliever made a post under the evolution thread, about "chemical evolution". I countered with "chemical change". Molecules don't have competition for mates (a big part of evolution). So a careless use of verbiage, or NewSpeak. Your guess is as good as mine.
Now I don't support universal teleology (something bigger than living being or molecular) ... that is Aristotle's analogy (over generalization). I do think that teleology applies partially to living beings, particularly conscious beings.
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 11:38:13 AM
It was a contrast. Unbeliever made a post under the evolution thread, about "chemical evolution". I countered with "chemical change". Molecules don't have competition for mates (a big part of evolution). So a careless use of verbiage, or NewSpeak. Your guess is as good as mine.
Now I don't support universal teleology (something bigger than living being or molecular) ... that is Aristotle's analogy (over generalization). I do think that teleology applies partially to living beings, particularly conscious beings.
Well, given my interest in evolution, my guess is actually better then yours. BUT allowing for basic "nothing to something" about evolution, the increase to intelligence is a more macro debate.
I can sure say I have more neurons than the chimps, but that doesn't perforce prove why I am typing here and a chimp isn't.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 11:49:24 AM
Well, given my interest in evolution, my guess is actually better then yours. BUT allowing for basic "nothing to something" about evolution, the increase to intelligence is a more macro debate.
I can sure say I have more neurons than the chimps, but that doesn't perforce prove why I am typing here and a chimp isn't.
Chimps could do better. Humans are a proven failure. Give another primate a chance. Though I prefer bonobos.
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 12:07:48 PM
Chimps could do better. Humans are a proven failure. Give another primate a chance. Though I prefer bonobos.
We aren't "proven failures" until we actually blow up the entire Earth and all life with us. Dang. Now I feel responsible for "something". I hope we get to Mars first.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:08:24 PM
We aren't "proven failures" until we actually blow up the entire Earth and all life with us. Dang. Now I feel responsible for "something". I hope we get to Mars first.
Optimists are the one's smoking in the arsenal.