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Title: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: pr126 on January 09, 2019, 06:13:50 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfF-3PbUU4M
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 09, 2019, 06:25:01 AM
What the fuck is People's Republic on about now?
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2019, 07:01:49 PM
See ... it is a double covert action, Nazis pretend to be Communists who pretend to be Nazis ... or is that Communists who pretend be Nazis who pretend to be Communists?  The truthiness of it eludes me ;-)  In any case it is in Alinsky's rules for radicals, used as a single-pad decoding system for Mein Kampf.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Minimalist on January 10, 2019, 05:02:28 PM
QuoteNazis pretend to be Communists who pretend to be Nazis ... or is that Communists who pretend be Nazis who pretend to be Communists?


You have confused me.

Stop it, will ya!
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on January 10, 2019, 07:12:33 PM
(https://i.redd.it/rhl3g7vmmt821.jpg)
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2019, 07:14:46 PM
Quote from: Minimalist on January 10, 2019, 05:02:28 PM

You have confused me.

Stop it, will ya!

I can't.  I am a perpetual e-motion machine ;-)
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:24:18 AM
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 09, 2019, 06:25:01 AM
What the fuck is People's Republic on about now?

A new conspiracy theory about Europe becoming arabic, it seems. 
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 01:42:54 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:24:18 AM
A new conspiracy theory about Europe becoming arabic, it seems. 
Not Arabic. Islamic.
There is a subtle difference. Not all Arabs are Muslims.

But if Europe is Islamised in the future, there will be trouble for the Left.
Islam does not share power. The left will be "assimilated". Resistance is futile.

History proves that.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 02:08:09 AM
Quote from: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 01:42:54 AM
Not Arabic. Islamic.
There is a subtle difference. Not all Arabs are Muslims.

But if Europe is Islamised in the future, there will be trouble for the Left.
Islam does not share power. The left will be "assimilated". Resistance is futile.

History proves that.

Point accepted.  I was considering the area of origin.

I agree that Muslims will not share power or culture easily, and that is a problem.  All theists are intolerant of other theisms.  Do keep in mind that I personally have no greater love for Islamists than I do of Christians or Jews, or Hindus, etc.  Meaning 0.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 02:22:47 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 02:08:09 AM
Point accepted.  I was considering the area of origin.

I agree that Muslims will not share power or culture easily, and that is a problem.  All theists are intolerant of other theisms.  Do keep in mind that I personally have no greater love for Islamists than I do of Christians or Jews, or Hindus, etc.  Meaning 0.
Only a small percentage of Muslims are Arab. The majority are from other parts of the world, even converted whites.

But Islam is originally an Arab religion, (religious) imperialism demands that all others are adopting the Arabic culture.
Praying towards Mekka, dress, facial hair style, headgear, adopting an Arabic name. praying in Arabic, reading the Quran in Arabic.
BTW, only 20% of Muslims read or speak Arabic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0W-o3aefro




Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 03:08:33 AM
Quote from: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 02:22:47 AM
Only a small percentage of Muslims are Arab. The majority are from other parts of the world, even converted whites.

But Islam is originally an Arab religion, (religious) imperialism demands that all others are adopting the Arabic culture.
Praying towards Mekka, dress, facial hair style, headgear, adopting an Arabic name. praying in Arabic, reading the Quran in Arabic.
BTW, only 20% of Muslims read or speak Arabic.

That's as I understand it. 
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 08:03:37 AM
Quote from: pr126 on January 12, 2019, 02:22:47 AM
Only a small percentage of Muslims are Arab. The majority are from other parts of the world, even converted whites.

But Islam is originally an Arab religion, (religious) imperialism demands that all others are adopting the Arabic culture.
Praying towards Mekka, dress, facial hair style, headgear, adopting an Arabic name. praying in Arabic, reading the Quran in Arabic.
BTW, only 20% of Muslims read or speak Arabic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0W-o3aefro

It is a more successful version of rabbinic Judaism.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 09:47:12 AM
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 08:03:37 AM
It is a more successful version of rabbinic Judaism.

Quite possibly.  Like Christianity, Islamism is newer than Judaism.  All theisms wear out in time.  What amazes me sometimes is that Hindus still exist.  But it is probably just because they have been isolated for a while.  Worldwide exposure will show their flaws as well.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 11:54:48 AM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 09:47:12 AM
Quite possibly.  Like Christianity, Islamism is newer than Judaism.  All theisms wear out in time.  What amazes me sometimes is that Hindus still exist.  But it is probably just because they have been isolated for a while.  Worldwide exposure will show their flaws as well.

Yes, the idea that an ethnically defined idea, is exportable, is marginal.  Would Lucky Charms cereal sell well in India or China?

Islam and Judaism are both ethnic in origin.  Christianity is multi-ethnic (per Paul) from the get-go.  That is why Christianity spread (in urban situations only ... pagan means country-bumpkin).  Jews mostly don't encourage conversion, and are not successful in conquering large swaths of territory.  So no surprises there.  Islam did soon allow no frills conversion (earlier, you had to be adopted into an Arabic tribe), and was very successful militarily.  Both Judaism and Islam are culturally Semitic.  This creates a strain on 80% of the Muslims, because they are second class religionists compared to Arab Muslims.  Hence various Shia and Ismaili movements.  Sort of like it used to be that anyone could be Catholic, but only an Italian could be a Pope.

Theisms may wear out, but then so does culture.  Do you attend gladiatorial games?  But culture, and religion, continue in new forms.  Atheism is a minority psychological based position (legitimate even if only for psychological profiling) for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 12:12:32 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 11:54:48 AM
Theisms may wear out, but then so does culture.  Do you attend gladiatorial games?  But culture, and religion, continue in new forms.  Atheism is a minority psychological based position (legitimate even if only for psychological profiling) for the foreseeable future.

If you mean sports games, no.  I would rather be involved in something than watch. You might be careful about calling atheism a "minority" position.

See http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html  We are 3rd. "and growing...."

I suspect that there will come a day when the last theist dies and no one will notice any more than when the last SERIOUS flat-earther died (can you tell me that person's name?). 

It won't happen in my lifetime (though it would be nice), but it will happen some day.  I mostly just mean, that "someday" no one will care about theisms anymore.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 12:13:54 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 12:12:32 PM
If you mean sports games, no.  I would rather be involved in something than watch. You might be careful about calling atheism a "minority" position.

See http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html  We are 3rd. "and growing...."

I suspect that there will come a day when the last theist dies and no one will notice any more than when the last SERIOUS flat-earther died (can you tell me that person's name?). 

It won't happen in my lifetime (though it would be nice), but it will happen some day.  I mostly just mean, that "someday" no one will care about theisms anymore.

If it won't happen in your lifetime, why are you trying to be a Biblical prophet anyway?
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 12:13:54 PM
If it won't happen in your lifetime, why are you trying to be a Biblical prophet anyway?

Well. mostly because I'm not trying to be a biblical prophet.  But I'm concerned for the future.  Which, apparently, is not high on the Conservative list...
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 12:24:27 PM
Well. mostly because I'm not trying to be a biblical prophet.  But I'm concerned for the future.  Which, apparently, is not high on the Conservative list...

Here and now is all I pragmatically care about.  I have already done what I can for the future (handicapped daughter, 50% influence) ... and hopefully been a positive influence on other young people (probably less than 1% influence at best on them).
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 12:32:21 PM
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
Here and now is all I pragmatically care about.  I have already done what I can for the future (handicapped daughter, 50% influence) ... and hopefully been a positive influence on other young people (probably less than 1% influence at best on them).

I respect your life and efforts...  You have mentioned family before and I never negate that.  Best serious wishes. 
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 01:59:01 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 12:32:21 PM
I respect your life and efforts...  You have mentioned family before and I never negate that.  Best serious wishes.

I with the same for everyone, just as you said.  But I don't wish good for political parties or policies (which are non-human, are things).  I don't care if people find that, politically incorrect.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: murkron on February 05, 2019, 04:11:16 PM
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 02:08:09 AM
Point accepted.  I was considering the area of origin.

I agree that Muslims will not share power or culture easily, and that is a problem.  All theists are intolerant of other theisms.  Do keep in mind that I personally have no greater love for Islamists than I do of Christians or Jews, or Hindus, etc.  Meaning 0.

There are a lot more militant multiculturalists than militant atheists. I don't think this tack will win. In fact most of the people who are inviting these people in and making apologies for them are the very people who one might call atheists.
Title: Re: IMPERIAL EU: From Nazi to Internationalist Unification
Post by: Baruch on February 05, 2019, 09:05:36 PM
Quote from: murkron on February 05, 2019, 04:11:16 PM
There are a lot more militant multiculturalists than militant atheists. I don't think this tack will win. In fact most of the people who are inviting these people in and making apologies for them are the very people who one might call atheists.

it's complicated.  Just as inviting all the Latin Americans into the US would be.  Yes, I think that multiculturalists aren't strong atheist necessarily, they are Sunday-only religious types (liberal religious).  A strongly ethnic or strongly orthodox position, can't tolerate multiculturalism, it requires bantu-stans.  Of course easy=to=get=along people, might be easier to dominate.  Too much liberalism makes you a victim, just as too much conservatism makes you a perpetrator.

In the case of Europe, the current atheism is the rump of the old pro-Soviet W Europe.  The W European communists (now conveniently called socialist) always had a hard time keeping up with changes in the Kremlin (see Nazi-Soviet pact).  The point of atheism in communist countries, isn't religious, it is political.  The Party can tolerate no competition (and still doesn't in China).

One of the changes that occurred slowly, was the move from nationalist communism (Bolsheviks aka Stalin) to internationalist communism (Mensheviks aka Trotsky).  Trotsky-ites had no problem flying under the radar, anywhere in W Europe or N America ... since they were clearly ant-Soviet.  And they were relatively democratic compared to their more orthodox counterparts in China or Cuba.