The Berlin Wall was built to keep people in. The equivalent would be Mexico building a wall to keep people in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PQjqoCgYdA
The long delayed (multiple administrations) effective border security is to keep people out, not keep people in.
In addition to building effective security borders (say like Hungary has done) ... close that border completely. Nobody goes in or out. If you are American, and legally out of the country, then when you come back, you have to go thru a different point of entry. You will get home. Limit all foreign access to the US, thru easily controlled ports of call. If necessary build the same security border to prevent Canada using human trafficking as a weapon, as Mexico has done.
We can still let in 500K legal immigrants per year, more than most countries. Also don't allow any foreign visa entry by tourists to the US, unless they put up a $5000 bond on each traveler (bond bailsman) that encourages them to not forget to go home.
Mod edit: Fixed it for you.
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I don't know why the IMG tags did not work on that one.
Trump's broadcast tonight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8utcluJ9x_M
Quote from: Minimalist on January 08, 2019, 08:55:59 PM
Mod edit: Fixed it for you.
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No objection from me about that.
We shut down the government because of a wall. It's a fucking wall. We won't see another healthcare bill for 20 years, because Democrats and Republicans can't agree, so they just avoid it. But a wall is worth shutting down the government over? Well you see, it's to keep out the terrorists. I imagine the terrorists are pissed off as Hell because now they have to fly in. Oh wait, that's how they always come in. The Mexicans are pissed off too. Now they have to bring ladders into the country, but we can make them pay a ladder import tax, and that will discourage them. We should just charge Mexicans admission. For the chronic offenders, we could sell them annual passes. And while all this bullshit is going on, we have issues to deal with that are so much more important. The country has gone insane.
The government should be permanently shut down, to de-power feral politics ;-) It is too useful for both good and evil.
BTW - I went to bed before Trump spoke. I don't support him or his antagonists.
It was a sleeper. The Democrats shadow-punched a speech that wasn't made.
Democrats continue to double down on their George McGovern is god, everyone needs to toke, while having an orgy with trannies, while Metal blares from the speakers in the black painted room with the ultraviolet active decals.
i am in favor of legal immigration. But contra pr126, while the intent is to replace the existing population, I want it to replace the Democrats, who can be deplatformed by removing their legal citizenship and they are all deported to Venezuela ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhyDRbdVlS0
Now that is how to deplatform the Left.
What's the big deal about this wall for America's budget anyway?
Mexico's going to pay for it, right?
Right?
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 09, 2019, 06:34:59 AM
Mexico's going to pay for it, right?
Right?
Where Trump came up with that notion is beyond me.
He pulled it out of his ass, like everything else.
Quote from: SGOS on January 09, 2019, 11:14:51 AM
Where Trump came up with that notion is beyond me.
Probably the same place he gets all his notions. It just came to him one day while he was trying to draw inside the lines of a coloring book while watching PAW Patrol or Fox & Friends.
I like walls. They stand between me and everyone else.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 09, 2019, 11:53:25 AM
Probably the same place he gets all his notions. It just came to him one day while he was trying to draw inside the lines of a coloring book while watching PAW Patrol or Fox & Friends.
Fox & Friends, maybe. I suspect Paw Patrol is too advanced for him.
Quote from: Minimalist on January 08, 2019, 08:55:59 PM
Mod edit: Fixed it for you.
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Ah, so
that's how to spell his name! Thanks!
Quote from: SGOS on January 09, 2019, 04:51:36 AM
We shut down the government because of a wall. It's a fucking wall. We won't see another healthcare bill for 20 years, because Democrats and Republicans can't agree, so they just avoid it. But a wall is worth shutting down the government over? Well you see, it's to keep out the terrorists. I imagine the terrorists are pissed off as Hell because now they have to fly in. Oh wait, that's how they always come in. The Mexicans are pissed off too. Now they have to bring ladders into the country, but we can make them pay a ladder import tax, and that will discourage them. We should just charge Mexicans admission. For the chronic offenders, we could sell them annual passes. And while all this bullshit is going on, we have issues to deal with that are so much more important. The country has gone insane.
Once we can keep the terrorists from coming in at the southern border we'll have to have another wall across the entire northern border to keep them from scooting right in from Canada. But we have to have safe borders, so it will be well worth the cost, even if we have to spend every last (shrinking) penny of the GDP.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 09, 2019, 06:34:59 AM
What's the big deal about this wall for America's budget anyway?
Mexico's going to pay for it, right?
Right?
Yes, they will. That's what Trump said. And we all know he never, never, NEVER, lies.
Quote from: Minimalist on January 09, 2019, 11:47:16 AM
He pulled it out of his ass, like everything else.
I think I'll start calling him Beelzebutt.
Quote from: SGOS on January 09, 2019, 04:51:36 AM
We shut down the government because of a wall. It's a fucking wall. We won't see another healthcare bill for 20 years, because Democrats and Republicans can't agree, so they just avoid it. But a wall is worth shutting down the government over? Well you see, it's to keep out the terrorists. I imagine the terrorists are pissed off as Hell because now they have to fly in. Oh wait, that's how they always come in. The Mexicans are pissed off too. Now they have to bring ladders into the country, but we can make them pay a ladder import tax, and that will discourage them. We should just charge Mexicans admission. For the chronic offenders, we could sell them annual passes. And while all this bullshit is going on, we have issues to deal with that are so much more important. The country has gone insane.
Because stopping Drumpf and his wall(stupid idea) is more important then your feelings. We need to make bridges not walls. Also it's a power play and a show to all those dimwitted trump supporters and his buyouts, that we the democrats mean business. Enough to never go back on our words and make Drumpf out to be a villain that he is.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 09, 2019, 06:34:59 AM
What's the big deal about this wall for America's budget anyway?
Mexico's going to pay for it, right?
Right?
Doesn't matter who. It needs to be done. But who pays is political theater. Each year we lose billions money transfers from Mexicans here back to their homes over there. When that stops, then on paper, we save billions, and Mexico (drug cartel central) loses. But people here love their drug dealer, don't they?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2019, 01:21:15 PM
Once we can keep the terrorists from coming in at the southern border we'll have to have another wall across the entire northern border to keep them from scooting right in from Canada. But we have to have safe borders, so it will be well worth the cost, even if we have to spend every last (shrinking) penny of the GDP.
i would choose E Germany over W Germany, if I were German right now. And the Warsaw Pact over Nato.
Quote from: Sorginak on January 09, 2019, 11:55:53 AM
I like walls. They stand between me and everyone else.
Welcome back. But unless you endorse Chief Elizabeth Warren ... and the other wanna-be Hiawathas ... watch out!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq__Z-Z_Ofs
Remember, with these folks, all your stuff belongs to them.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 09, 2019, 01:24:10 PM
Yes, they will. That's what Trump said. And we all know he never, never, NEVER, lies.
All politicians lie. Some lies are closer to one's agenda than others.
Quote from: Baruch on January 09, 2019, 07:09:10 PM
Doesn't matter who. It needs to be done. But who pays is political theater. Each year we lose billions money transfers from Mexicans here back to their homes over there. When that stops, then on paper, we save billions, and Mexico (drug cartel central) loses. But people here love their drug dealer, don't they?
I love mine enough to get him a christmas present, after all, he provided a white christmas.
I think i still have Some up my nose.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 09, 2019, 01:27:05 PM
I think I'll start calling him Beelzebutt.
Ba'al Zebul = Lord of the Flies ... that is a book, isn't it? About feral young men. A master plan for Socialist tyrants.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 09, 2019, 02:18:09 PM
Because stopping Drumpf and his wall(stupid idea) is more important then your feelings. We need to make bridges not walls. Also it's a power play and a show to all those dimwitted trump supporters and his buyouts, that we the democrats mean business. Enough to never go back on our words and make Drumpf out to be a villain that he is.
Democrats are cowards? Draw your guns and start your Communist revolution already? All you have is the power of impotent rhetoric. The Republicans ultimately have the security forces (in spite of traitorous infiltrators).
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 09, 2019, 02:18:09 PM
Because stopping Drumpf and his wall(stupid idea) is more important then your feelings. We need to make bridges not walls. Also it's a power play and a show to all those dimwitted trump supporters and his buyouts, that we the democrats mean business. Enough to never go back on our words and make Drumpf out to be a villain that he is.
Democrats = LBJ ... villainous enough. Make you eat your words, while waterboarded at Guantanamo? Sorry, it is too late for peace. Ask Lord Halifax. Only if there are lots of dead people can there be peace. That is the human way, all thru history.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 09, 2019, 07:14:01 PM
I love mine enough to get him a christmas present, after all, he provided a white christmas.
I think i still have Some up my nose.
This is why Islamists should kill every Western person? They aren't even fit to be harem slaves (women or castrated men).
Quote from: Baruch on January 09, 2019, 07:19:10 PM
This is why Islamists should kill every Western person? They aren't even fit to be harem slaves (women or castrated men).
Nah
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 10, 2019, 12:41:17 AM
Nah
You do like costumes. So would you look like Barbara Eden?
Quote from: Baruch on January 10, 2019, 05:14:46 AM
You do like costumes. So would you look like Barbara Eden?
If you want me to make your wishes come true, you're going to have to play nicer Baruch.
Wink Wink, nudge nudge.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 10, 2019, 05:29:38 AM
If you want me to make your wishes come true, you're going to have to play nicer Baruch.
Wink Wink, nudge nudge.
I am not the kind of guy to rub your bottle ;-)
The threats of immigration are not from the general Mexican Border. Drugs come in through legal points of entry that escape discovery. Terrorists enter through airports. The number of people who are in the US as "illegal immigrants" are Canadians (and I love them) who are overstaying their visas. Illegal immigrantion through Mexico is at a long-time low.
Trump is, as always, making a mountain from a molehill.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:22:41 AM
The threats of immigration are not from the general Mexican Border. Drugs come in through legal points of entry that escape discovery. Terrorists enter through airports. The number of people who are in the US as "illegal immigrants" are Canadians (and I love them) who are overstaying their visas. Illegal immigrantion through Mexico is at a long-time low.
Trump is, as always, making a mountain from a molehill.
We can also shut all other ports of entry. Think of the tourists, of the humanity ... sigh.
Trump doesn't care about his wall or his supporters, all he cares about is crippling America for his daddy, Putin. Chaos is his stock in trade, and he's using it well.
What if all those federal employees have to quit and get other jobs just to pay their bills and feed their families? I'm sure that would be icing on Putin's cake.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 12, 2019, 01:54:41 PM
Trump doesn't care about his wall or his supporters, all he cares about is crippling America for his daddy, Putin. Chaos is his stock in trade, and he's using it well.
What if all those federal employees have to quit and get other jobs just to pay their bills and feed their families? I'm sure that would be icing on Putin's cake.
Trump was fathered by Stalin himself ... because Unbeliever says so/
We can hope that the whole NWO will fail soon, the sooner the better. The neo-cons and neo-libs can burn in Hell, so says their many victims world-wide.
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 02:16:44 AM
We can also shut all other ports of entry. Think of the tourists, of the humanity ... sigh.
There was a TV channel that showed the way most Central American drugs reached the US. Legal points of entry via cars, subs, herlicoptors, gliders. The WALL isn't a problem and won't stop anyone.
The wall is such an incredibly stupid idea. How is this even a political opinion? People on both sides of the political spectrum should be able to see how moronic Trump's plan is. First, the wall would cost hundreds of billions of dollars to build, plus more to maintain it since, you know, the earth doesn't stay still. And even if we did that, would it stop illegals from crossing the boarder? Nope. They'd just use a ladder and rope. So even if you do believe the nonsense about the "national emergency" at the border, as thousands of criminals walk in with their drugs, this solution is not going to change anything. It's nothing but a waste of resources.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 01:18:02 PM
The wall is such an incredibly stupid idea. How is this even a political opinion? People on both sides of the political spectrum should be able to see how moronic Trump's plan is. First, the wall would cost hundreds of billions of dollars to build, plus more to maintain it since, you know, the earth doesn't stay still. And even if we did that, would it stop illegals from crossing the boarder? Nope. They'd just use a ladder and rope. So even if you do believe the nonsense about the "national emergency" at the border, as thousands of criminals walk in with their drugs, this solution is not going to change anything. It's nothing but a waste of resources.
I hear you---totally!! Yet this stupid fucker still gets about 40% popularity rating. How in the world can that be????!! Stupid Fucking Americans make up over half of us. They are like all religious people--reasoning does not count, only believing does. They believe trump is , the one, and there is no way to change that. I will not be surprised if he is re-elected. We are that fucked up as a nation.
Apparently it's true that you can't logic someone out of a position they weren't logic-ed into in the first place.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 30, 2019, 03:12:15 PM
I hear you---totally!! Yet this stupid fucker still gets about 40% popularity rating. How in the world can that be????!! Stupid Fucking Americans make up over half of us. They are like all religious people--reasoning does not count, only believing does. They believe trump is , the one, and there is no way to change that. I will not be surprised if he is re-elected. We are that fucked up as a nation.
Hell. I'd be surprised if he
isn't re-elected. Republicans will all vote for him over the "evil atheist socialist Democrat," of course, but it'll be up to the people in the center to decide, and the incumbent always has the advantage. Considering they honestly believed that Trump was somehow a better choice than Hillary, I don't have much faith in their judgement.
I suspect that even the late-night comedians who are getting so many laughs out of the Trump phenom will get tired of making jokes about him and try to find something else to focus on. Their viewers will get so tired of him they'll stop watching just to avoid having to think about him.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 30, 2019, 12:30:43 PM
There was a TV channel that showed the way most Central American drugs reached the US. Legal points of entry via cars, subs, herlicoptors, gliders. The WALL isn't a problem and won't stop anyone.
Many drug users don't want interdiction either ;-) Yes, there is a lot of importation, but not via helpless immigrants going thru the Sonora desert. The drug cartel isn't that stupid. America wants unlimited slave labor and drugs from Latin America. It should fail and be forgotten ... both for D evil and R evil.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 01:18:02 PM
The wall is such an incredibly stupid idea. How is this even a political opinion? People on both sides of the political spectrum should be able to see how moronic Trump's plan is. First, the wall would cost hundreds of billions of dollars to build, plus more to maintain it since, you know, the earth doesn't stay still. And even if we did that, would it stop illegals from crossing the boarder? Nope. They'd just use a ladder and rope. So even if you do believe the nonsense about the "national emergency" at the border, as thousands of criminals walk in with their drugs, this solution is not going to change anything. It's nothing but a waste of resources.
The wall is symbolic. The Great Wall of China was to keep people in, not keep people out. Commentary is so ... childish over this issue. Just kill all the Latin Americans? The point is entry/exit control, and control of businessmen/tourists. I say, put electronic anklets on them. And shock collars.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:22:41 AM
The threats of immigration are not from the general Mexican Border. Drugs come in through legal points of entry that escape discovery. Terrorists enter through airports. The number of people who are in the US as "illegal immigrants" are Canadians (and I love them) who are overstaying their visas. Illegal immigrantion through Mexico is at a long-time low.
Trump is, as always, making a mountain from a molehill.
If all the crime enters and exits thru airports, then we can fire the TSA now? Hopeful.
Quote from: Mike Cl on January 30, 2019, 03:12:15 PM
I hear you---totally!! Yet this stupid fucker still gets about 40% popularity rating. How in the world can that be????!! Stupid Fucking Americans make up over half of us. They are like all religious people--reasoning does not count, only believing does. They believe trump is , the one, and there is no way to change that. I will not be surprised if he is re-elected. We are that fucked up as a nation.
If only he would fuck his interns, while his wife watches (and is fucking her Muslim lesbo subordinate?). Then they would be as popular as the Clintons.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 03:26:26 PM
Hell. I'd be surprised if he isn't re-elected. Republicans will all vote for him over the "evil atheist socialist Democrat," of course, but it'll be up to the people in the center to decide, and the incumbent always has the advantage. Considering they honestly believed that Trump was somehow a better choice than Hillary, I don't have much faith in their judgement.
Democrats, with amazing powers of prediction ... Hillary has 99% odds of winning last week of October, right?
Nobody knows, but you can get an ulcer over the next 3 years worrying about it.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 30, 2019, 06:27:06 PM
I suspect that even the late-night comedians who are getting so many laughs out of the Trump phenom will get tired of making jokes about him and try to find something else to focus on. Their viewers will get so tired of him they'll stop watching just to avoid having to think about him.
The comics are cucks, who all voted for Hitlery.
Quote from: Blackleaf on January 30, 2019, 03:26:26 PM
Hell. I'd be surprised if he isn't re-elected. Republicans will all vote for him over the "evil atheist socialist Democrat," of course, but it'll be up to the people in the center to decide, and the incumbent always has the advantage. Considering they honestly believed that Trump was somehow a better choice than Hillary, I don't have much faith in their judgement.
Except they
didn't believe he was a better choice.
The Mango Mussolini
lost the popular vote by nearly three million votes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Candidates_table) -- it was the Electoral College, which was designed by the Founding Fathers to
prevent a dangerous demagogue from taking the Presidency, that installed him over the plurality choice.
Washington said ... no political parties. So when is your execution for treason?
Quote from: trdsf on January 30, 2019, 09:31:50 PM
Except they didn't believe he was a better choice.
The Mango Mussolini lost the popular vote by nearly three million votes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election#Candidates_table) -- it was the Electoral College, which was designed by the Founding Fathers to prevent a dangerous demagogue from taking the Presidency, that installed him over the plurality choice.
Trump has gone over the edge. When he says he is building the Wall, has build the Wall, Will build the Wall, and Mexico HAS funded it, Will fund it, and that The Democrats have funded it, you have to know he has completely lost it.
He is at the point of Nixon talking the Presidential portraits on the walls of the White House in the dead of night...
I had a co-worker once who kept telling us of all the wonderful things her husband was doing around the world. Well, great.
But one night the security guards found her wandering around the building talking to him. And he wasn't there. It turned out that he had divorced her a decade before (and she really was a nut case) and she had been living in La-La Land ever since).
Trump is mostly like that now.
Well, feel sorry for that woman. Dementia thru yeast infection? Nixon had tape worms ;-)
So-called "moderate" Republicans are as extinct a species as "moderate" Muslims.
It really is quite sad watching the US become undone as a superpower from inside out.
Quote from: Sylar on February 03, 2019, 04:22:01 AM
So-called "moderate" Republicans are as extinct a species as "moderate" Muslims.
It really is quite sad watching the US become undone as a superpower from inside out.
And indeed the history of that change of Moderate (and even Liberal) Republicans has a history. I was a liberal Republican in my youth (1964). Goldwater disliked us, but it took Nixon and his "Southern Strategy" to really drive us away. When Nixon charmed the Democratic racist "Dixiecrats" to follow him with his "Law and Order" campaign, we northern liberal Republicans gave up and moved to the newly freed-of-racists Democratic party.
I've never left...
But to be clear, I didn't leave the Republican party; THEY left ME! They simply became Southern racist Democrats under a new name and then captured the racism of many people in the West. And the other thing that changed was that the Republicans used to be supporting good government; now they want to kill it (Grover Glenn Norquist - "Drown it in a bathtub") . I believe governance is a good thing.
If the recent governmental shutdown didn't prove that idea wrong, nothing ever will...
Quote from: Sylar on February 03, 2019, 04:22:01 AM
So-called "moderate" Republicans are as extinct a species as "moderate" Muslims.
It really is quite sad watching the US become undone as a superpower from inside out.
Best way to fail, is thru self-corruption ;-) Much better than being eaten alive from without. At least with self-corruption, you think you are enjoying yourself (eat, drink and party, for tomorrow ....). Collective nervous breakdown (predicted by "structuralism" in philosophy). Happened in the 60s, happening now. Takes a Churchill to slap the body politic awake. Remember 1965? When we were all supposed to become pot-smoking Viet Cong? That was when the external threat was quite real. Took 10 years to pull out of that "crash dive". Then we were depressed, until Reagan/Lebanon. Didn't fully recover until Desert Storm under Reagan VP. Meanwhile the other party wanted to go Zimbabwe.
The social organism has its own moods, its own grand mal seizure.
Recent government shutdown was unfortunate, but isn't over yet. Not until Yeltsin uses the Army to storm the Duma.