Time for these primitive barbarians to get a smackdown.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/world/europe/belgium-ban-jewish-muslim-animal-slaughter.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
QuoteBRUSSELS â€" A Belgian ban on the Muslim and Jewish ways of ritually slaughtering animals went into effect on New Year’s Day, part of a clash across Europe over the balance between animal welfare and religious freedom.
With both animal rights advocates and right-wing nationalists pushing to ban ritual slaughter, religious minorities in Belgium and other countries fear that they are the targets of bigotry under the guise of animal protection.
“It is impossible to know the true intentions of people,†said Yaakov David Schmahl, a senior rabbi in Antwerp. “Unless people state clearly what they have in mind, but most anti-Semites don’t do that.â€
Tough shit, pal. No one is forcing you to eat bacon.
Quote from: Minimalist on January 06, 2019, 01:14:25 AM
Time for these primitive barbarians to get a smackdown.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/world/europe/belgium-ban-jewish-muslim-animal-slaughter.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Tough shit, pal. No one is forcing you to eat bacon.
Actually there is concern even traditionally, for the condition of the animal to be slaughtered. Are you a fucking vegetarian? Do you know where your fucking hamburger came from?
I would bet a months pension that the ban on halal slaughter will either be lifted or ignored if they persist.
Just like with FGM, the prosecution did not succeed.
Charges dropped in first federal genital mutilation case in US (https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/20/us/female-genital-mutilation-case-charges-dropped/index.html)
Quote(CNN)A Detroit judge has dropped nearly all the charges against a Michigan doctor accused of performing female genital mutilation on at least nine underage girls, according to court documents.
In a decision filed Tuesday, Judge Bernard Friedman ruled that the federal female genital mutilation law is unconstitutional and that Congress did not have the right to criminalize the practice, and therefore he dismissed six of eight charges in the United States' first federal case involving the procedure.
"Congress overstepped its bounds by legislating to prohibit [female genital mutilation]," Friedman wrote, calling it a "local criminal activity" for the states to regulate, not Congress.
Must not upset the Muslims, if you know what's good for you.
“Congress shall make no law … prohibiting the free exercise (of religion)†is called the free-exercise clause of the First Amendment. The free-exercise clause pertains to the right to freely exercise one's religion. It states that the government shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion."
Also, every time a religion has found itself up against a civil society no longer willing to put up with outdated and/or morally unacceptable practices, someone in the appropriate position of authority has had a "divine revelation" that put the religion in line with civil law. Exhibit A: Mormons and polygamy.
It won't happen tomorrow, but it will happen eventually.
Muslims and polygamy are well known and accepted in Europa and North America.
Well, anywhere the Muslims have migrated in the western countries.
Why not Mormons?
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90857818
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/11108763/The-Men-with-Many-Wives-the-British-Muslims-who-practise-polygamy.html
Quote from: pr126 on January 06, 2019, 02:24:36 AM
I would bet a months pension that the ban on halal slaughter will either be lifted or ignored if they persist.
I would take that bet, if we were to put a time stamp on it.
You are such an authority on the european mainland and its inevitable communist, marxist, islamic collapse, after all. You'd be able to determined when exactly when the government would pussy-out.
I remember Well when you posted a vid about sharia for belgium last year, posting it as an example of how we give extremists free range, when we'd already shut that shit down years prior.
Are you expecting the halal slaughter to cease? Or prosecution to follow?
Not going to happen.
Quote from: trdsf on January 06, 2019, 03:06:16 AM
Also, every time a religion has found itself up against a civil society no longer willing to put up with outdated and/or morally unacceptable practices, someone in the appropriate position of authority has had a "divine revelation" that put the religion in line with civil law. Exhibit A: Mormons and polygamy.
It won't happen tomorrow, but it will happen eventually.
Does civil society support meat eating? Triggered?
I find secular behavior to be .. unacceptable. But why should you obey me or be punished? See, everyone is a tyrant. Secular society or religious society ... just say no, anarchists unite! And ban all marriage. Obama should be the Wakanda king of a giant harem.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 06, 2019, 03:47:23 AM
I would take that bet, if we were to put a time stamp on it.
You are such an authority on the european mainland and its inevitable communist, marxist, islamic collapse, after all. You'd be able to determined when exactly when the government would pussy-out.
I remember Well when you posted a vid about sharia for belgium last year, posting it as an example of how we give extremists free range, when we'd already shut that shit down years prior.
Good luck with that. Kill all theists. Show what good GDR you are?
Quote from: pr126 on January 06, 2019, 04:12:07 AM
Are you expecting the halal slaughter to cease? Or prosecution to follow?
Not going to happen.
But halal if done right, is the same as kosher. It is secular slaughter that is horrendous. Capitalism at its best.
Quote from: pr126 on January 06, 2019, 04:12:07 AM
Are you expecting the halal slaughter to cease? Or prosecution to follow?
Not going to happen.
Do I think slaughterhouses are going to get a pass on slaughtering sheep without the use of electroshock? (Which is what the ban is about.) I actually don't, no.
Am I so naive as to think that nowhere in Belgium there won't be a sheep whose throat is cut in some guy's basement? No, I'm not that naive. Do I think the police will be able to use their glass ball to magically find these households and bring them to justice in a wave akin to a prohibition? No. Crimes at home are one of the hardest things to find out. Do I expect the law to be uphold to the best of it's possibilities and some people to be prosecuted when they are indeed caught dealing in these slaughters? Yes.
But that wasn't what you said: you bet a month's pension on the law being revoked for halal meat or police turning a blind eye. That I don't think will happen.
Quote from: Baruch on January 06, 2019, 04:14:13 AM
Good luck with that. Kill all theists. Show what good GDR you are?
As long as we are permitted to use sedation first, eh?
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 06, 2019, 04:23:05 AM
Do I think slaughterhouses are going to get a pass on slaughtering sheep without the use of electroshock? (Which is what the ban is about.) I actually don't, no.
Am I so naive as to think that nowhere in Belgium there won't be a sheep whose throat is cut in some guy's basement? No, I'm not that naive. Do I think the police will be able to use their glass ball to magically find these households and bring them to justice in a wave akin to a prohibition? No. Crimes at home are one of the hardest things to find out. Do I expect the law to be uphold to the best of it's possibilities and some people to be prosecuted when they are indeed caught dealing in these slaughters? Yes.
But that wasn't what you said: you bet a month's pension on the law being revoked for halal meat or police turning a blind eye. That I don't think will happen.
I am not saying, I support unregulated slaughter.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 06, 2019, 04:25:52 AM
As long as we are permitted to use sedation first, eh?
Not funny. But yes, if we sedate the animal, that is a good thing, an improvement over the US practice of driving big nails into the head of your steer.
Quote from: Baruch on January 06, 2019, 04:29:41 AM
I am not saying, I support unregulated slaughter.
I wasn't saying you were.
I wasn't talking to you in that post.
Quote from: Baruch on January 06, 2019, 04:30:40 AM
Not funny.
That's subjective, but you were the one to imply me as a 'bent on theist-killing east-german' first.
Word of advice Baruch; puns are okay. Great even, I love wordplay. (Second greatest source for comedy in my book.) But don't talk solely in hyperbole. It doesn't make you look smart. It's just annoying, and you'll get responses of people who get fed up with that.
@ Mr.Obvious
No, I don't mean individual houses or someone's backyard.
I mean industrial size working slaughter houses all over Europe.
Also, halal slaughter happens to be a profitable industry, benefits Islam only, since only Muslims can do it.
Halal certification, not just for meat means income for Islam.
But there is also a way around this ban (should it be enforced), import the meat from countries less bothered about halal slaughter.
But no, I don't expect any enforcement of the ban. It is just to placate some opposition.
A politician's promise? Or wishful thinking?
Quote from: Minimalist on January 06, 2019, 01:14:25 AM
religious minorities in Belgium and other countries fear that they are the targets of bigotry under the guise of animal protection.
Religion needs to be free to cause suffering where it's necessary, because the magic that happens during food preparation requires a measure of barbaric cruelty. Animal protection is only a guise to discriminate against the faithful and force us to eat unclean food, because no one really cares about what happens to animals. Caring about animals is a guise. Such liars are more rotten than the most disgusting lowly creature, the dog, which must be kicked and beaten and left in the dust to learn respect for its master.
Quote from: SGOS on January 06, 2019, 06:28:59 AM
Religion needs to be free to cause suffering where it's necessary, because the magic that happens during food preparation requires a measure of barbaric cruelty. Animal protection is only a guise to discriminate against the faithful and force us to eat unclean food, because no one really cares about what happens to animals. Caring about animals is a guise. Such liars are more rotten than the most disgusting lowly creature, the dog, which must be kicked and beaten and left in the dust to learn respect for its master.
Again, the idea that other people are dancing savages from an old National Geo magazine.
Yes, corporations really care ... not. Being a secular person ... is a guise.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 06, 2019, 04:25:52 AM
As long as we are permitted to use sedation first, eh?
Could we sedate them by bashing them rapidly in the head with whatever fucking holy book they use?
Quote from: pr126 on January 06, 2019, 05:47:11 AM
@ Mr.Obvious
No, I don't mean individual houses or someone's backyard.
I mean industrial size working slaughter houses all over Europe.
Also, halal slaughter happens to be a profitable industry, benefits Islam only, since only Muslims can do it.
Halal certification, not just for meat means income for Islam.
But there is also a way around this ban (should it be enforced), import the meat from countries less bothered about halal slaughter.
But no, I don't expect any enforcement of the ban. It is just to placate some opposition.
A politician's promise? Or wishful thinking?
Oh! Like a british-beneficial brexit?
Anyways, pot-shot aside; We can't tell another country, not even one in the union, to make it's laws regarding something like this match ours. (Nor can any do the same to us.) But I do expect Belgian law to be upheld, to where it's jurisdiction extends. Upheld by fallible humans in a fallible system. Like any law in our, or your country. But upheld none the less.
it is some good news I think we can all agree on. But like others, the cynic in me thinks it'll be revoked within a few months claiming its a human rights violation to not let a mass cult perform its ritual sacrifice of animals.
Quote from: Munch on January 06, 2019, 04:59:40 PM
it is some good news I think we can all agree on. But like others, the cynic in me thinks it'll be revoked within a few months claiming its a human rights violation to not let a mass cult perform its ritual sacrifice of animals.
Well, we'll see. I suppose. The jewish community is appealing to higher court to have it revoked.
Who knows, maybe I'll be eating my words in a few months time. But I doubt it.
They could always go back to the desert and live the way they want.
Just saying.
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 06, 2019, 04:25:52 AM
As long as we are permitted to use sedation first, eh?
Ah, come on Mr. Obvious, god will give them all the sedation they need. Right?? Of Course.
Quote from: Minimalist on January 06, 2019, 11:28:34 AM
Could we sedate them by bashing them rapidly in the head with whatever fucking holy book they use?
Not serious. Bashing with a holy book doesn't even kill atheists ;-)
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 06, 2019, 04:58:26 PM
Oh! Like a british-beneficial brexit?
Anyways, pot-shot aside; We can't tell another country, not even one in the union, to make it's laws regarding something like this match ours. (Nor can any do the same to us.) But I do expect Belgian law to be upheld, to where it's jurisdiction extends. Upheld by fallible humans in a fallible system. Like any law in our, or your country. But upheld none the less.
But you do wish to be the center of the EU diktat. So why not move the EU capital to Berlin, where it should be. And Brussels can go back to making marzipan. Belgium is like Maryland and Brussels is like Washington DC. Y'all get an artificially higher standard of living, because you merit it ;-)
Quote from: Minimalist on January 06, 2019, 05:03:00 PM
They could always go back to the desert and live the way they want.
Just saying.
We could just kill all the Gentiles ... bwhaah. Actually since we Jews control everything already, we can get half the Gentiles to kill the other half ... oh, someone already implemented that plan ... the modern version is called Agenda 21.
Quote from: Baruch on January 06, 2019, 09:40:52 PM
But you do wish to be the center of the EU diktat. So why not move the EU capital to Berlin, where it should be. And Brussels can go back to making marzipan. Belgium is like Maryland and Brussels is like Washington DC. Y'all get an artificially higher standard of living, because you merit it ;-)
We'll stick to making chocolate, generating pedofile-natured-scandals and riding the wave of economical growth under nationalistic-nihilism, if it's all the same to you.
Ahahahah. I hope so. Denmark did this.
This is not just something about animal rights. Religious groups keep asking for special treatment more and more all the time. They ask for all kosher/helal meat stores for themselves to shop. Then they will ask special places to eat. Then they will ask... But if they get the high numbers in a region, they won't let stores to sell pork or alcoholic beverages or whatnot. And a lot of companies respond to this bullshit, because it is a lot of money.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 07, 2019, 09:36:52 AM
Ahahahah. I hope so. Denmark did this.
This is not just something about animal rights. Religious groups keep asking for special treatment more and more all the time. They ask for all kosher/helal meat stores for themselves to shop. Then they will ask special places to eat. Then they will ask... But if they get the high numbers in a region, they won't let stores to sell pork or alcoholic beverages or whatnot. And a lot of companies respond to this bullshit, because it is a lot of money.
That is why we need a comeback of the Soviet Union. And the conquest of Nato countries. To bring about the Socialist Revolution.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 07, 2019, 09:36:52 AMThis is not just something about animal rights. Religious groups keep asking for special treatment more and more all the time. They ask for all kosher/helal meat stores for themselves to shop. Then they will ask special places to eat. Then they will ask... But if they get the high numbers in a region, they won't let stores to sell pork or alcoholic beverages or whatnot. And a lot of companies respond to this bullshit, because it is a lot of money.
I've encountered that personally a couple of times, and I've always been annoyed by the person's insistence that the store bend over backwards to accommodate their beliefs. Perhaps I'm wrong in my perception, but it has often seemed to me as more of a desire to exert influence on others than pursue a regimen of self-discipline.
I have no problem with people holding whatever proscriptions they want - but other people should not be beholden to it. If you don't eat meat, don't shop somewhere that primarily serves meat if you aren't okay with that. It's that simple. I don't drink alcohol, but I would never dream of demanding that others change their lifestyle to match or change a bar's menu to be more "teetotaler-friendly". That's ridiculous and more than a little controlling.
Summed up in the aphorism "live and let live." Too bad many people just can't do that.
Okay, I'm getting confused here. I'm hearing "live and let live" and not demanding people change their behavior to accommodate other people's beliefs but isn't legislating everyone slaughter animals a specific way so as not to offend the sensibilities of animal welfare advocates the opposite of that sentiment?
Laws across Europe and European Union regulations require that animals be rendered insensible to pain before slaughter, to make the process more humane. For larger animals, stunning before slaughter usually means using a “captive bolt†device that fires a metal rod into the brain; for poultry it usually means an electric shock. Animals can also be knocked out with gas. But slaughter by Muslim halal and Jewish kosher rules requires that an animal be in perfect health â€" which religious authorities say rules out stunning it first â€" and be killed with a single cut to the neck that severs critical blood vessels. The animal loses consciousness in seconds, and advocates say it may cause less suffering than other methods, not more.
Isn't this basically like killing people via electric chair versus firing squad? The whole animal suffering argument seems a bit specious to me, especially given the nature of factory farming. Keeping an animal in a tiny cage its entire life is okay but at slaughter we are going to make their death slightly less painful. Since the degree of animal suffering appears questionable, isn't balancing personal liberty versus government regulation of concern?
In Europe or Canada, but not the US, you are just a stinking peasant. You aren't a citizen. Americans and Europeans want Americans to be just like Europeans. That is what Hitler and Stalin wanted too. Nuke Europe.
Given the hate crime laws in most of the EU, and Laicity in France (it is a crime to wear a cross in public etc) ... that is pretty not comparable to the US. The proper European solution to animal slaughter is to only allow secular bureaucrats of the government do it, in the most uniform and uncaring way possible (bureaucrats care for no one). Again, the point is to make everyone equal. For example to make everyone in Europe eat from the same spoiled can of dog food, would be good, provided everyone gets the same amount.
In America which isn't turning into the shithole my ancestors fled from, there is more than one brand of dog food, more than one can, and we don't all get the same amount (for complicated reasons). This infuriates the SJW aka Marxist scum.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 07, 2019, 06:47:58 PM
Okay, I'm getting confused here. I'm hearing "live and let live" and not demanding people change their behavior to accommodate other people's beliefs but isn't legislating everyone slaughter animals a specific way so as not to offend the sensibilities of animal welfare advocates the opposite of that sentiment?
Laws across Europe and European Union regulations require that animals be rendered insensible to pain before slaughter, to make the process more humane. For larger animals, stunning before slaughter usually means using a “captive bolt†device that fires a metal rod into the brain; for poultry it usually means an electric shock. Animals can also be knocked out with gas. But slaughter by Muslim halal and Jewish kosher rules requires that an animal be in perfect health â€" which religious authorities say rules out stunning it first â€" and be killed with a single cut to the neck that severs critical blood vessels. The animal loses consciousness in seconds, and advocates say it may cause less suffering than other methods, not more.
Isn't this basically like killing people via electric chair versus firing squad? The whole animal suffering argument seems a bit specious to me, especially given the nature of factory farming. Keeping an animal in a tiny cage its entire life is okay but at slaughter we are going to make their death slightly less painful. Since the degree of animal suffering appears questionable, isn't balancing personal liberty versus government regulation of concern?
If -- and
only if -- it can be scientifically demonstrated that kosher/halal methods of killing meat animals is more humane, hey, go for it. But the decision needs to be made on the basis of data, not superstition and tradition. If they are not in fact more humane, then they need to stop.
You know what's amusing, when pervert priests suck baby's dicks its a crime that the church will do anything to cover up...
But when an orthodox jew does it....
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/baby-dies-herpes-virus-ritual-circumcision-nyc-orthodox/story?id=15888618
QuoteBaby Dies of Herpes in Ritual Circumcision By Orthodox Jews
QuoteNew York City is investigating the death last September of a baby who contracted herpes after a "ritual circumcision with oral suction," in an ultra-Orthodox Jewish ceremony known in Hebrew as metzitzah b'peh.
In a practice that takes place during a ceremony known as the bris, a circumcision practitioner, or mohel, removes the foreskin from the baby's penis, and with his mouth sucks the blood from the incision to cleanse the wound.
it's no big deal!
Primitive shits.
Quote from: trdsf on January 07, 2019, 08:59:42 PM
If -- and only if -- it can be scientifically demonstrated that kosher/halal methods of killing meat animals is more humane, hey, go for it. But the decision needs to be made on the basis of data, not superstition and tradition. If they are not in fact more humane, then they need to stop.
Good question. The most humane thing is to not eat meat. Can you be a Jain? You are comparing rape to pedophilia (metaphorically) and deciding which one is worse.
Again, the actual practice in the US is inhumane. Americans are hypocritical scum.
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 07, 2019, 04:09:10 PM
Perhaps I'm wrong in my perception, but it has often seemed to me as more of a desire to exert influence on others than pursue a regimen of self-discipline.
Your are not wrong.
But in my opinion the thing with this issue has looong grown bigger than the practise of refusing to eat meat, drink that or which meat to eat. The objective is not really that important any more.
This is about puritanism. Puritanism gets often matched with conservatism, even religions. But people get away from mainstream religions more every day. They do not have to do anything with them. But they also need something. And there is this new age puritanism people seek out to feel good; unharming and also create a nich that they could blame/accuse all other groups for a world going down the toilet. It's a way of isolating themselves from the crowd. 'I'm good, you are not. I am not responsible for anything bad in this world. I am constructive, you are destructive.'
It's an addictive drug with a placebo effect. It's about 'saving yourself' and feeling good, get high and mighty about it, because see, it is good for the world too. If possible, making money of it. Too many things to write on this, no need.
Everything has become a self help menu in the world. Everything is about how to feel yourself good; if possible, euphoric please.
Try to ask an abusive vegan why does he/she procreate when every fucking issue in the world is a result of overgrown population and SO IS eating meat.
Quote from: Baruch on January 08, 2019, 04:49:39 AM
Good question. The most humane thing is to not eat meat.
No, eating meat is the human thing. That's how we have become human and invented the humane things to do.
QuoteYou are comparing rape to pedophilia (metaphorically) and deciding which one is worse.
What is it with people and jumping on any subject with killing animals to eat with rape metaphors? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Anyway, the bullshit aside, have you ever seen a halal slaughter? How could anyone claim that it's more humane than stunning or electrifying the animal before.
The goal in halal slaughter
is to kill the animal in the most primitive, bloody way and prevent it to be killed by any other means during the ritual. That's the reason why humans sacrifice animals, THE BLOOD. They are paying blood for their well being.
QuoteAgain, the actual practice in the US is inhumane. Americans are hypocritical scum.
The actual practice? Seriously, what does that mean?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 08, 2019, 12:29:23 PM
No, eating meat is the human thing. That's how we have become human and invented the humane things to do.
What is it with people and jumping on any subject with killing animals to eat with rape metaphors? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Anyway, the bullshit aside, have you ever seen a halal slaughter? How could anyone claim that it's more humane than stunning or electrifying the animal before.
The goal in halal slaughter is to kill the animal in the most primitive, bloody way and prevent it to be killed by any other means during the ritual. That's the reason why humans sacrifice animals, THE BLOOD. They are paying blood for their well being.
The actual practice? Seriously, what does that mean?
Hypocrisy and lies are the American stock in trade. Our abattoirs are not humane.
Your notion of animal slaughter as a primitive ritual, is a lie. The best way after anesthetizing the animal would be to cut its throat and drain the blood.
Have you ever slaughtered an animal? I have witnessed or participated in the ... liquidation of chickens. It wasn't by lethal injection.
Anesthetising the animal?! LOL Yes you have no idea about what is halal slaughter at all. The people who think stunning an animal could 'ruin' their meat will anesthetise it, right? People should be forced by a law to a standard. That's all this law thing is about, Baruch, standards. NOT justice.
No, I haven't slaughtered an animal. When I was a kid, I was curious why we never participated in eid as a family and my parents didn't tell me anything at that age. Then I went to see. I know what is halal slaughter. It is a ritual sacrifice in general. And in here we can't do anything about it. They finally started with just stunning over here. But well, don't hold your breath. Anesthetising? LOL Like we don't know religious people.
It's a primitve ritual. Infact, it is the most primitive ritual, because it is probably the oldest one. The animals bleed, feel pain and die, so humans wouldn't. Do you need me to tell you about the link between the style of animal sacrifice and animal slaughter? Animal sacrifice is not something born from need of eating meat to begin with. Before that they highly likely killed humans, probably strongest male in a tribe with other animals and while they ate the certain parts of the human, consume the animals as meat.And the blood was seen as a price for the lives of people in the tribe.
For example, in islamic sacrifice, the blood of the sacrifice is wiped on children's forehead by the one who gives the sacrifice by finger, so they would be spared. So no harm would come to them.
So, as a master race person, you are infinitely superior to other people? Check your privs. By going West instead of East, you have become White.
Quote from: Baruch on January 08, 2019, 06:45:28 PM
So, as a master race person, you are infinitely superior to other people? Check your privs. By going West instead of East, you have become White.
What fucking bullshit. Nice reflection though. The ones whose world vision is based on the idea that they are god's special creatures are the ones who think they should have priviliges in every culture wherever they live. And your approach is based on a righteousness like 'if these ones can do this, the others should be able to do that'. You are after some sort of an arbitrary sense of social justice, not religious freedom.
Standards, Baruch. Standards. The law.
Not to mention that we have limited resources, esp limited space and humans breeding like rats with no responsibility. This has to start somewhere. And these are the beginnings. There will be more and more restricting laws in the near future for everyone. Best place to start is the religious bullshit. And guess what, Westerners will start to do that and I agree with them. I'm all for criticising every culture for their bullshit, this is not one of them.
Religious people should learn that they need to act according to certain set of standards which are determined by the laws. And that there is nothing above it. The fact that the system has many flaws, doesn't change the picture one bit.
If you refuse to shake hands with men/women in a ceremony for citizenship in a country you emigrated
because of its high standards, they will make laws to push you to shake that hand. AND I SUPPORT IT.
Because this is not about shaking hands, this is not about shopping from a market selling pork or how to slaughter animals...blah blah. THIS HAS NO END.
These people believe in general that religion and faith must be held above the law and as religiou speople they shold be above it just because of that. That they should be excused/exempted from everything they do. And they have a thousand standards. Some at the greyer-white end of the scale, some are dark. The logic is the same. Yes, I am making a generalisation. Because that's the way it is.
What I want to see in my life time in the West is that every fucking group being pushed to send their children to standard schools and no religious/ethnic ones before 18 by the law and face heavy sanction if not.
Most of you people are still living on the moon.
There is no law. There is no morality. There is only brute force ... and you either survive that or you don't. Hitler and Stalin were correct.
Quote from: Baruch on January 09, 2019, 05:36:32 AM
There is no law. There is no morality. There is only brute force ... and you either survive that or you don't. Hitler and Stalin were correct.
Put that spoon down.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 09, 2019, 05:39:02 AM
Put that spoon down.
Two spoons actually ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFd3tAzhMsk
I like this guys look, have to work on mine more.
But to "drove my Chevy to the levy, but the levy was dry ..."
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 09, 2019, 05:24:14 AM
What fucking bullshit. Nice reflection though. The ones whose world vision is based on the idea that they are god's special creatures are the ones who think they should have priviliges in every culture wherever they live. And your approach is based on a righteousness like 'if these ones can do this, the others should be able to do that'. You are after some sort of an arbitrary sense of social justice, not religious freedom.
Standards, Baruch. Standards. The law.
Not to mention that we have limited resources, esp limited space and humans breeding like rats with no responsibility. This has to start somewhere. And these are the beginnings. There will be more and more restricting laws in the near future for everyone. Best place to start is the religious bullshit. And guess what, Westerners will start to do that and I agree with them. I'm all for criticising every culture for their bullshit, this is not one of them.
Religious people should learn that they need to act according to certain set of standards which are determined by the laws. And that there is nothing above it. The fact that the system has many flaws, doesn't change the picture one bit.
If you refuse to shake hands with men/women in a ceremony for citizenship in a country you emigrated because of its high standards, they will make laws to push you to shake that hand. AND I SUPPORT IT.
Because this is not about shaking hands, this is not about shopping from a market selling pork or how to slaughter animals...blah blah. THIS HAS NO END.
These people believe in general that religion and faith must be held above the law and as religiou speople they shold be above it just because of that. That they should be excused/exempted from everything they do. And they have a thousand standards. Some at the greyer-white end of the scale, some are dark. The logic is the same. Yes, I am making a generalisation. Because that's the way it is.
What I want to see in my life time in the West is that every fucking group being pushed to send their children to standard schools and no religious/ethnic ones before 18 by the law and face heavy sanction if not.
Most of you people are still living on the moon.
Well, Barurch seldom makes much sense. so don't worry about THAT too much.
Jews aren't the master race. Atheist-Socialists are ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 09, 2019, 06:56:10 PM
Jews aren't the master race. Atheist-Socialists are ;-)
I only wish Atheists were... We ARE smarter than average, and more rational and logical too. Thank you for accepting that.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 03:40:58 AM
I only wish Atheists were... We ARE smarter than average, and more rational and logical too. Thank you for accepting that.
Un-ironic lack of self awareness. You are the most egotistical who posts here, and I am a demi-god ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 11:26:02 AM
Un-ironic lack of self awareness. You are the most egotistical who posts here, and I am a demi-god ;-)
I don't lack self awareness. Indeed, my self-awarewness is what keeps me here. You, on the other hand, I worry about. Admit it, without me you would just be a sad old guy scoring points by post-count for no reason.
I can come and go and not care. I don't need validation.
I'll prove it.
Bye for weeks...
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:30:44 PM
I don't lack self awareness. Indeed, my self-awarewness is what keeps me here. You, on the other hand, I worry about. Admit it, without me you would just be a sad old guy scoring points by post-count for no reason.
I can come and go and not care. I don't need validation.
I'll prove it.
Bye for weeks...
We are mirror images, same except for handedness. I don't come here for validation either. I am unique. So that is a pointless exercise.