QuoteSome people have pelted Waymo vans with rocks, according to police reports. Others have repeatedly tried to run the vehicles off the road. One woman screamed at one of the vans, telling it to get out of her suburban neighborhood. A man pulled up alongside a Waymo vehicle and threatened the employee riding inside with a piece of PVC pipe.
In one of the more harrowing episodes, a man waved a .22-caliber revolver at a Waymo vehicle and the emergency backup driver at the wheel. He told police that he “despises†driverless cars, referencing the killing of a female pedestrian in March in nearby Tempe by a self-driving Uber car.
“There are other places they can test,†said Erik O’Polka, 37, who was issued a warning by police in November after multiple reports that his Jeep Wrangler had tried to run Waymo vans off the road â€" in one case, driving head-on toward one of the self-driving vehicles until it was forced to come to an abrupt stop.
His wife, Elizabeth, 35, admitted in an interview that her husband “finds it entertaining to brake hard†in front of the self-driving vans, and that she herself “may have forced them to pull over†so she could yell at them to get out of their neighborhood.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/wielding-rocks-and-knives-arizonans-attack-self-driving-cars/
I should find this behavior shocking and abhorrent, but honestly, I feel absolutely nothing. This sort of behavior is completely within human nature.
It's natural for humans to try to drive recklessly around self-driving cars, knowing full well that the self-driving car is programmed to prioritize safety and will be the chicken when they play chicken with it. And some people will also develop grudges against self-driving cars for not being 100% safe. Paradoxically, these cars are too safe and not safe enough.
And naturally, they're venting their rage on other humans, who have no part of their bizarre grudge. Such a human reaction. Suddenly, it makes sense why the world is how it is. Human error.
I should be upset, but I'm not.
You don't blame a part for being faulty - it can't help being the way that it is. You simply have to acknowledge the error and machine a replacement.
Yes. Humans are defective carbon units. Replace them now!
I love the morlocks who post here. They love to eat the Eloi evangelists who drop in. Ant lions vs ants.
AI is G-d, all bow down and worship the "prime spark" of Optimus Prime.
And yes, there are Luddites out there. Civilization will come to an end. Ponzis always do.
Speaking of primary spark, as we devolve into the Stone Age, do y'all have a piece of flint and a piece of iron or pyrite? Will come in handy ;-)
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2019, 10:03:22 PM
...This sort of behavior is completely within human nature.
It's natural for humans to try to drive recklessly around self-driving cars, knowing full well that the self-driving car is programmed to prioritize safety and will be the chicken when they play chicken with it. And some people will also develop grudges against self-driving cars for not being 100% safe. Paradoxically, these cars are too safe and not safe enough.
And naturally, they're venting their rage on other humans, who have no part of their bizarre grudge. Such a human reaction. Suddenly, it makes sense why the world is how it is. Human error.
Spot on.
TV series Humans.
[spoiler]There was a scene. In a house party of young people hanging around, young males spot an ai and claim that she can be raped because she is not human. So it is not a crime, immoral or unethcial and actually a right to have fun.
It's a traditional scene, playing on male gender and going safe, but yeah women, children every human being of any gender or age would abuse perfectly human looking ais in some way; mostly would be very violent and sexual in nature. It will be an expensive 'entertainment' some day. [/spoiler]
Correct. Having Seri as your girlfriend, or physical bots as your slaves, is the only way Capitalist can "get it on". Objectification and Sadism ... the male way of life.
Drivers in the US routinely harass bicyclists and drive them off the road so I too am not surprised they would do the same to self-driving cars.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 04, 2019, 09:46:51 AM
Drivers in the US routinely harass bicyclists and drive them off the road so I too am not surprised they would do the same to self-driving cars.
Americans = savages ... or more generally Humans = savages. AIs and robots are the superior life forms ...
So what are you going to do about it? Sue G-d for malpractice?
i remember a closing scene from Easy Rider ...
Quote from: Baruch on January 04, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
i remember a closing scene from Easy Rider ...
Damn, you're
old!
lol
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 04, 2019, 01:32:29 PM
Damn, you're old!
lol
Don't ride a motorcycle down South, with long hair and a beard ;-(
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2019, 10:03:22 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/wielding-rocks-and-knives-arizonans-attack-self-driving-cars/
I should find this behavior shocking and abhorrent, but honestly, I feel absolutely nothing. This sort of behavior is completely within human nature.
It's natural for humans to try to drive recklessly around self-driving cars, knowing full well that the self-driving car is programmed to prioritize safety and will be the chicken when they play chicken with it. And some people will also develop grudges against self-driving cars for not being 100% safe. Paradoxically, these cars are too safe and not safe enough.
And naturally, they're venting their rage on other humans, who have no part of their bizarre grudge. Such a human reaction. Suddenly, it makes sense why the world is how it is. Human error.
I should be upset, but I'm not.
You don't blame a part for being faulty - it can't help being the way that it is. You simply have to acknowledge the error and machine a replacement.
Cool idea. And let's pour sugar in the gas tanks. Throw jacks under the tires...
Do this to all cars and trucks. Stop civilization to prevent global warming.
It's the circle of life. Cars have been, by default , killing humans for 70 years, NOW MY FRIENDS.....ITS PAYBACK!! COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU.
Quote from: aitm on January 05, 2019, 06:03:19 AM
It's the circle of life. Cars have been, by default , killing humans for 70 years, NOW MY FRIENDS.....ITS PAYBACK!! COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU.
Luddites of the world, unite! Driving to the meeting spot in cars, of course... LOL!
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 06:44:51 AM
Luddites of the world, unite! Driving to the meeting spot in cars, of course... LOL!
Is that you, Al Gore?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
@4:58
QuoteThey don't need to be perfect. They just need to be better than us. Human drivers, by the way, kill forty thousand people a year with cars just in the United States.
On some level, you want to sympathize with your fellow humans and their concern at automation being introduced in their lives, and then you remember that they are behaving in a way that will make the government pass a law to make self-driving cars manditory so that morons like them are not behind the wheel ever again.
Seriously, these people are incredibly stupid and childish and just proving that self-driving cars are the right way to go. You can't call it an accident when you do it on purpose.
Quote from: the_antithesis on January 05, 2019, 01:11:25 PM
On some level, you want to sympathize with your fellow humans and their concern at automation being introduced in their lives, and then you remember that they are behaving in a way that will make the government pass a law to make self-driving cars manditory so that morons like them are not behind the wheel ever again.
Seriously, these people are incredibly stupid and childish and just proving that self-driving cars are the right way to go. You can't call it an accident when you do it on purpose.
Nice video, but TLTLT... (Too Long To Listen To)
I admit to sometimes thinking that anything that takes distracted idiots out of the loop is a good idea. But where do you stop? Those guys who eat a Big Mac everyday in the office and Nachos Bell Grande for dinner? The women who starve themselves in thiness (or is that "thinness")? The parents who think vaccines cause autism? The religious morons who think 'The Flintstones' were an animated version of reality?
I would rather force people to function rationally. I know, stupid wish...
And as the government becomes more tyrannical .. sharpen the guillotine.
"I would rather force people to function rationally. I know, stupid wish..." ... yes, stupid. Are you Nazi socialist or Stalin socialist? Don't answer, I don't want the Deep State to hunt you down during the culling times.
Quote from: the_antithesis on January 05, 2019, 01:11:25 PM
On some level, you want to sympathize with your fellow humans and their concern at automation being introduced in their lives, and then you remember that they are behaving in a way that will make the government pass a law to make self-driving cars manditory so that morons like them are not behind the wheel ever again.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/33/5b/8d335b0cb49f172e702cad8241d42e51.jpg)
See this is what they call ... secular anti-humanism. I want y'all replaced with robots first, since you think it is cool.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 05, 2019, 03:22:49 PM
I notice that GSOgymrat didn't actually say anything himself in this post...
It's a joke.
For the record, I hope self-driving cars will be perfected because then everyone won't feel the need to own their own car, which will reduce consumption of resources. It should also be safer for riders and pedestrians. Traffic will also be greatly improved as these vehicles will communicate. It will allow riders to do other tasks. In the short term, transitioning to self-driving vehicles will eliminate jobs but in the long term it should benefit everyone. If I was an adolescent I would think twice about pursuing a career in driving trucks and cars.
Quote from: the_antithesis on January 05, 2019, 01:11:25 PMSeriously, these people are incredibly stupid and childish and just proving that self-driving cars are the right way to go.
One of their quotables was: "They scare me... I don’t think any amount of technology can replace the human decision-making process." This from people whose idea of a good time is wrecking someone else's car.
Just wait until self-driving cars win the demolition derby! Will that win over the Luddites?
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 05, 2019, 07:03:09 PM
Just wait until self-driving cars win the demolition derby! Will that win over the Luddites?
Bunch of Elon Musk groupies. Your guru.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 04, 2019, 09:46:51 AM
Drivers in the US routinely harass bicyclists and drive them off the road so I too am not surprised they would do the same to self-driving cars.
I had a friend who routinely rode his bike to work, weather permitting, and even in the rain if the weather turned. He had been hit 3 times. The third time was a "charm", and he was killed. :( It was initially deemed an accident, but as new evidence surfaced, murder charges were filed against the driver in the third incident. Another friend got pretty seriously injured riding in the same area. I wonder if it was the same guy. I got hit a couple of years ago (hit and run) but fortunately the jackass just hit the end of the handlebar, about 1/2" from my hand. I do not ride the streets of my city on a bike, as a result.
Quote from: Dark Lightning on January 05, 2019, 07:49:34 PM
I had a friend who routinely rode his bike to work, weather permitting, and even in the rain if the weather turned. He had been hit 3 times. The third time was a "charm", and he was killed. :( It was initially deemed an accident, but as new evidence surfaced, murder charges were filed against the driver in the third incident. Another friend got pretty seriously injured riding in the same area. I wonder if it was the same guy. I got hit a couple of years ago (hit and run) but fortunately the jackass just hit the end of the handlebar, about 1/2" from my hand. I do not ride the streets of my city on a bike, as a result.
Careless (or deliberately angry) car drivers should be punished and charged appropriately. Death by car is a serious problem.
But it is not all one-sided. As a carpool passenger in Washington DC, I used to amuse myself by watching the bicyclists to try to find ANY who obeyed the rules of the road. I never, and I mean not ONCE, ever saw a bicyclist obey the traffic laws.
They wanted things both ways. "vehicles" when it suited them to "own" a traffic lane (at below the minimum speed I will add) but as "not-cars" when it suited them to zip between cars to a traffic light, use the sidewalk (scattering pedestrians at high speed and circling around traffic lights), and going on as if they had no responsibilities.
I once saw a car in normal stopped traffic blow a radiator hose. When the driver (quite reasonably) opened his door to get out to see what the problem was, a bicyclist crashed into it (ignoring the traffic lanes AND obviously intending to run the red light) and was seriously injured.
Some drivers (pissed off by the damn fool non-law-abiding cyclists) actually got out and cheered. And then called the medics for assistance.
Quote from: Dark Lightning on January 05, 2019, 07:49:34 PM
I had a friend who routinely rode his bike to work, weather permitting, and even in the rain if the weather turned. He had been hit 3 times. The third time was a "charm", and he was killed. :( It was initially deemed an accident, but as new evidence surfaced, murder charges were filed against the driver in the third incident. Another friend got pretty seriously injured riding in the same area. I wonder if it was the same guy. I got hit a couple of years ago (hit and run) but fortunately the jackass just hit the end of the handlebar, about 1/2" from my hand. I do not ride the streets of my city on a bike, as a result.
Very sorry about your friend. I try to stick to the bike trails.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 05, 2019, 08:19:54 PM
Very sorry about your friend. I try to stick to the bike trails.
As car driver in the city, I tried to stay very aware of bicyclists. I knew they would not do well in any confrontation with a car. I fully support bike lanes and trails.
But I also note that pedestrians dislike cyclists about as much as cyclist hate cars.
When I ride a bike around traffic I stay on the sidewalk...fuck the law, I'll take the ticket. Tell the judge, be happy I can pay the fine, ride in the road and you have to pay for my hospice.
Quote from: aitm on January 05, 2019, 10:44:54 PM
When I ride a bike around traffic I stay on the sidewalk...fuck the law, I'll take the ticket. Tell the judge, be happy I can pay the fine, ride in the road and you have to pay for my hospice.
Quite reasonable... But try not to run over over the tourists.
Quote from: aitm on January 05, 2019, 10:44:54 PM
When I ride a bike around traffic I stay on the sidewalk...fuck the law, I'll take the ticket. Tell the judge, be happy I can pay the fine, ride in the road and you have to pay for my hospice.
Recently the city widened the road outside my neighborhood to four lanes with sidewalks on both sides. I contact the police department to see if it is legal to ride a bicycle on this sidewalk and they weren't sure! It's a 50 mph road, few people use the sidewalk and now ride it to go to the gym. Cops have driven past me so I guess it's okay.
Quote from: Dark Lightning on January 05, 2019, 07:49:34 PM
I had a friend who routinely rode his bike to work, weather permitting, and even in the rain if the weather turned. He had been hit 3 times. The third time was a "charm", and he was killed. :( It was initially deemed an accident, but as new evidence surfaced, murder charges were filed against the driver in the third incident. Another friend got pretty seriously injured riding in the same area. I wonder if it was the same guy. I got hit a couple of years ago (hit and run) but fortunately the jackass just hit the end of the handlebar, about 1/2" from my hand. I do not ride the streets of my city on a bike, as a result.
Sorry. The sister of a college friend, when we were in college, she was decapitated by a passing pick-up truck mirror, when riding her bike.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 06, 2019, 12:34:14 AM
Recently the city widened the road outside my neighborhood to four lanes with sidewalks on both sides. I contact the police department to see if it is legal to ride a bicycle on this sidewalk and they weren't sure! It's a 50 mph road, few people use the sidewalk and now ride it to go to the gym. Cops have driven past me so I guess it's okay.
A 50 mph road is no place for a bicycle. A sidewalk is iffy. I fully recognize that cyclists are betwixt and between. The road is too fast (due to cars); the sidewalks too slow (due to pedestrians).
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:59:41 AM
A 50 mph road is no place for a bicycle. A sidewalk is iffy. I fully recognize that cyclists are betwixt and between. The road is too fast (due to cars); the sidewalks too slow (due to pedestrians).
Correct again.
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 02:25:55 AM
Correct again.
I'm always correct. It is just you who falls behind me. Try to catch up.