I brought some new material for our conservative friends. oh mamma li turchi!
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/world/europe/turkey-emigration-erdogan.html
QuoteFor 17 years, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan won elections by offering voters a vision of restoring the glories of Turkey’s Ottoman past.
That sounds awfully familiar...
Quotecronyism and authoritarianism seep deeper into his administration
So familiar...
Quotedeepening distrust of the judiciary and the arbitrariness of the rule of law, and a deteriorating business climate, accelerated by worries that Mr. Erdogan is unsoundly manipulating management of the economy to benefit himself and his inner circle.
Still a bit hazy, but I'm starting to recall...
QuoteMr. Erdogan has tried to make Turkey more conservative and religious
Hmmm...
Quoteshe fears civil strife or even civil war could develop between Erdogan supporters and their opponents.
Can't quite place it...
Obama isn't Muslim. Trump is Muslim? Will the true Caliph be revealed?
Let all the Turks move to Germany. Let all the Germans die.
With Brexit, all the Poles and Hungarians will move to Britain. They would rather die that be next to Germany.
The groups of Turks in question are people you guys wouldn't recognise passing in the street as foreigners. Most of them are white to begin with. In case of forms of behaviour, they drink, they don't eat kosher, they date, have casual sex, live without marriage, they don't dress conservatively or ethnically. Most of them are highly educated.
I know it sounds ugly to use these kind of traits besides education and skill to define people, but that's the world we all know. Change is very slow. The real one I mean. And it seems to be the picture concerning these people. I hope all young people have the opportunity to run away and save themselves, regardless of their skin colour. Because these people are a gain, not a burden.
They work hard and enjoy it, because circumstances pay back more than in money they earn in their country. So money stopped being the first object guys, this is historical. Before this wasn't like this, nowhere near. I know your perspective is different, but that's naturally distorted. These people leave their country, because of the low life standards, besides money. And I don't mean just social life.
For example, there was this guy, who made a big, brutal post about the big leave in software industry is caused for many reasons, but most importantly, claiming that top softwares created by some are used for tracking people about their religious activities and so on. So these people actually did make a lot of money before leaving the country, concerning the standards in the land. But they refuse to serve to the system; personal morality; work ethic.
The general thing about religious Middle Eastern gorvenments, the smart, skilled guys are not usually raised in their culture, but the one they keep pointing as evil. (That's you, lol) People who embraced Western culture, also embraced its professionalism and expect it back. Religious tradition recognise 'work ethic' if you are working against something, as an asset at their side. The common 'religious ethic' you all know very well.
Think about it like this. You are doing a job, doesn't matter what it is. But you are not treated in a professional manner, or as an individual with a skill, but as a servant, or a member of some sort of a tribe in some arbitrary hierarchy. Yeah.
On the other hand, fields like medicine, softare, hardware, engineering...etc does not change, when you change the country you live in. LOL On the contrary, there is always a space for these people to fill in.
So what happens next? pr, this is your part. As Western countries, esp. United States of America, Canada have professional, highly competitive cultures in bussines, they will take these people. And after the Brexit mess, UK will start doing it, LOL. Almost every country will employ these hungry for a better life, ambitious, hard working people. In most cases, they will leave their native counterparts behind.
And the old story will go on. The religous and the right wingers in all over the world; Europe, US will start to cry, 'Immigrants are stealing our jobs! They are stealing our countries!' But most of them won't even have the education or the skill, work ethic to do the jobs that are supposedly stolen from them.
UK's first target concerning immigrants after Brexit will be employing these high skilled immigrants. And talking about these groups of Turks, they speak the language better than the welfare leaning, low class white Brits and they have higher culture in general. They know and also learned with what we live now, the value of a lot of things the stupid masses of lazy scum take for granted in the West. Which means, despite of all that disgusting, toxic, violent shit storm right wingers created using foriegners, immigrants, things will go back to the old system in the UK and in the end nothing will change in that department. They just made their lives more difficult, fucked the economy.
Am I having fun? Yeah...a little. It's freaking 2019 AD. Stupid is more stupid everyday.
About Germany as a Turkish land. I don't have any evidence or source, but I always tend to think Germans chose Turks decades ago, first because they are the less ethnically looking, less conservative, white Easterners compared to the others. They are 'white'. After all, they were calculated to mate with German born Germans too. We also know for certain that first immigrants (males) taken to Germany were examined to their teeth. Not for just common health to do a job.
One word... Armenians.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 07:11:08 AM
One word... Armenians.
And Greeks and Aramaics. All three were massacred.
I gues, I am supposed to write something?
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 07:11:08 AM
One word... Armenians.
Yeah it is one word, it is called Armenia.
Quote from: Baruch on January 05, 2019, 10:58:38 AM
And Greeks and Aramaics. All three were massacred.
Greeks live in Greece.
Aramaics? Give it a rest, it hasn't been a decade since you have learned about Sebataists. :)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 05, 2019, 12:28:22 PM
I gues, I am supposed to write something?
Yeah it is one word, it is called Armenia.
Greeks live in Greece.
Aramaics? Give it a rest, it hasn't been a decade since you have learned about Sebataists. :)
Actually, I know nothing about "Sebataists". Write this down readers, I admit to know nothing about "something"...
My point is that the Turks have a long history of trying to eliminate minority groups or people they want to conquer. I have nothing against them per se, but they are among a large group of conquerors.
And I don't much like christians either.
But there would not have been the European Crusades had not the Islamic Turks attacked and taken Constantinople (and other Moslems, Spain).
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 12:49:10 PM
Actually, I know nothing about "Sebataists". Write this down readers, I admit to know nothing about "something"...
Obviously, that is for Baruch. If you read it in order it is obvious. The first quote says 'Cavebear', the other 'Brauch'.
QuoteMy point is that the Turks have a long history of trying to eliminate minority groups or people they want to conquer. I have nothing against them per se, but they are among a large group of conquerors.
Yeah, definitely. Like every each soverigen country today, from Sweden to US in the last several hundred years. But unfortunetaly, Turks have gone beyond that in history. Or may be even before that? Because they are... old. Actually, they are ancient. Huns are Turkics tribes for example. Turkic people are a huuuuge branch in humanity.
But then they get around. Genghis Khan, I guess you would recognise, a Turkic-Mongolian monster who literally fucked the world killing tens of milions people. Then there is Atilla...
QuoteAnd I don't much like christians either. But there would not have been the European Crusades had not the Islamic Turks attacked and taken Constantinople (and other Moslems, Spain).
Ahahahaah. Yeah, you caught them, 'They started it!'.
Sarcasm aside, people like you are the reason why the world think the left wing is fucking stupid. For someone who generally has the need to blurt out pretentious remarks on 'how much of a born athiest' he is at the drop of a hat on a regular basis, you sound like pretty much decided on a religion among them.
e: If you can't follow, sarcasm starts with 'Turks have gone beyond...'
Quote from: Hydra009 on January 03, 2019, 03:47:18 PM
That sounds awfully familiar...
So familiar...
Still a bit hazy, but I'm starting to recall...
Hmmm...
Can't quite place it...
Are you channeling the 'I Was Not A Nazi Polka"?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 05, 2019, 01:23:55 PM
Obviously, that is for Baruch. If you read it in order it is obvious. The first quote says 'Cavebear', the other 'Brauch'.
Yeah, definitely. Like every each soverigen country today, from Sweden to US in the last several hundred years. But unfortunetaly, Turks have gone beyond that in history. Or may be even before that? Because they are... old. Actually, they are ancient. Huns are Turkics tribes for example. Turkic people are a huuuuge branch in humanity.
But then they get around. Genghis Khan, I guess you would recognise, a Turkic-Mongolian monster who literally fucked the world killing tens of milions people. Then there is Atilla...
Ahahahaah. Yeah, you caught them, 'They started it!'.
Sarcasm aside, people like you are the reason why the world think the left wing is fucking stupid. For someone who generally has the need to blurt out pretentious remarks on 'how much of a born athiest' he is at the drop of a hat on a regular basis, you sound like pretty much decided on a religion among them.
e: If you can't follow, sarcasm starts with 'Turks have gone beyond...'
Wow, Drunk, there is a thin line between "subtle" and "incomprehensible" but you may have just straddled it, LOL... I offer my limited (but sarcastic) congrats. I really didn't think you had it in you (for good reason, but never mind that).
Now, let's start (and end) with "Turks have gone beyond". Whatever does that mean, O wise One"?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 05, 2019, 12:28:22 PM
I gues, I am supposed to write something?
Yeah it is one word, it is called Armenia.
Greeks live in Greece.
Aramaics? Give it a rest, it hasn't been a decade since you have learned about Sebataists. :)
Greeks used to live in Turkey too, for 3000 years, until 1922. Not saying anything bad about Turks, we are killers, all of us. Aramaics have been massacred for centuries, but particularly by Tamerlane, who also loved to slaughter Turks. Since then, given geography, it is Kurds who kill Aramaics. For being Christian.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 05, 2019, 01:46:55 PM
Wow, Drunk, there is a thin line between "subtle" and "incomprehensible" but you may have just straddled it, LOL... I offer my limited (but sarcastic) congrats. I really didn't think you had it in you (for good reason, but never mind that).
Now, let's start (and end) with "Turks have gone beyond". Whatever does that mean, O wise One"?
It means, I am highly annoyed by your condescending attitude.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 06, 2019, 02:38:07 AM
It means, I am highly annoyed by your condescending attitude.
Americans never killed Indians. Turks never killed Armenians. We love to put our heads in the ground like the ostrich.
They say Turkey is a country like heaven if you have money you can enjoy, they say...
I haven't been to a foreign country up till now, but i wish i could go and see not like a tourist but like one who is interested in deepening in and touching to the country's cultural essence...
I am especially interested in English-speaking countries... Because Anglo-American culture attracts me so much with its literary culture and technology...
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on January 06, 2019, 08:39:59 AM
They say Turkey is a country like heaven if you have money you can enjoy, they say...
I haven't been to a foreign country up till now, but i wish i could go and see not like a tourist but like one who is interested in deepening in and touching to the country's cultural essence...
I am especially interested in English-speaking countries... Because Anglo-American culture attracts me so much with its literary culture and technology...
Not been to England like Drunkenshoe, but London seems for you ;-)
What part of English lit interests you? Drama, novels, poetry? Do you know why you are attracted to one particular foreign culture more than others?
in peacetime, when I visited Turkey, it was a place I would like to spend more time in.
Quote from: Baruch on January 06, 2019, 09:18:53 AM
Not been to England like Drunkenshoe, but London seems for you ;-)
What part of English lit interests you? Drama, novels, poetry? Do you know why you are attracted to one particular foreign culture more than others?
in peacetime, when I visited Turkey, it was a place I would like to spend more time in.
Thanks to the Ä°nternet, although i am interacting with the people who is from a foreign country, and who have a foreign culture; to really dive into the essence of the culture, i believe that it's important to breath in where the culture is being lived... London would be a right choice like you said...
I don't like fiction... simply because it's fiction...I am on my way to make my English language skills excellent to understand the culture... You know, culture and language is integrated with each other... I can make it better working harder on the language and i have enthusiasm about it. To learn a foreign language is very exciting... It's my hobby to improve.. But i don't know why Anglo-American... It may be partly because the Anglo-American culture is leading the world and partly because i speak English just a lil bit...
But nowadays Turkland is peaceful place... Who knows how it will be in 2019 and 20... Some planners plan what we will see in the near future...
So contemporary anthropology then. A humanist.
Yes, Youtube has wonderful documentaries. I swoon on new documentaries.
I have studied numerous languages. English is hard to learn for non-English speakers, but it depends. You have few declensions, you know what a word is by its location in the sequence. That is very linear. In other grammars you have to go forward, backup, got forward again ... non-linear. Not being dependent on word order this facilitates poetry. Hence in English poetry, the emphasis is on the vowel at the end of each line ... rhyme, or the consonant at the beginning of each word ... alliteration.
Quote from: Baruch on January 06, 2019, 10:33:02 AM
So contemporary anthropology then. A humanist.
Yes, Youtube has wonderful documentaries. I swoon on new documentaries.
I have studied numerous languages. English is hard to learn for non-English speakers, but it depends. You have few declensions, you know what a word is by its location in the sequence. That is very linear. In other grammars you have to go forward, backup, got forward again ... non-linear. Not being dependent on word order this facilitates poetry. Hence in English poetry, the emphasis is on the vowel at the end of each line ... rhyme, or the consonant at the beginning of each word ... alliteration.
In the time we live in, there is no importance of any other language other than English. Almost all the valuable sources to read is being published in English. And often translations into Turkish are very bad. So, to read from the original source written in English acquires more importance...
It's easy to learn English for the speakers of the languages of the same family. For example, the Dutch or the German can learn English more easily because your native languages are close to each other.
We in Turkish can do acrobatics on word sequence.
-''köpek adamı ısırdı'' which means in English:'' The dog bit the man''
All six sentences mean the same:
-köpek adamı ısırdı.
-köpek ısırdı adamı.
-adamı ısırdı köpek.
-adamı köpek ısırdı.
-ısırdı adamı köpek.
-ısırdı köpek adamı.
There is no definite article ''the'' in Turkish. köpek: dog; adam: man; remember ''adam the first man'', the word comes from there.
But you cannot change the word order in English, or the meaning will change...
Turkish is an agglutinative language. It's also unisex. There is countless possibilities to express something. From all tenses, possessive suffix to, singular, plural or preposition...anything can be expressed in one word, by adding the required affix. (It's called affix isn't it?) I hope that makes sense, lol.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 07, 2019, 09:25:03 AM
Turkish is an agglutinative language. It's also unisex. There is countless possibilities to express something. From all tenses, possessive suffix to, singular, plural or preposition...anything can be expressed in one word, by adding the required affix. (It's called affix isn't it?) I hope that makes sense, lol.
Interestingly, Sumerian is the same. Nobody knows where the Sumerians came from, but I am betting Central Asia. Early Chinese is also ... ambiguous. That is why classical Chinese poetry is considered, by the Chinese, to be their greatest art form.
Quote from: Baruch on January 06, 2019, 04:05:31 AM
Americans never killed Indians. Turks never killed Armenians. We love to put our heads in the ground like the ostrich.
Ostriches don't do that.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 07, 2019, 01:14:39 PM
Ostriches don't do that.
Democrats do, they call it The Resistance. Bird brains.
Where did I say this didn't kill this, this didn't kill that?
The reason is that USA hasn't recognised an Armenian Genocide, because Jewish Diaspora wouldn't let them, Baruch. You know that very well. They would do anything so another genocide wouldn't get recognised officially. Then after a day Sweden recognised it, the prime minister made a phone call to over here and said that this has no sanction whatever on relations, 'see, it is just politics'. Without Erdogan politics, the country wouldn't even get any of the late recognitions. It's fucking politics, it's fucking business. It's a bargain.
All my life I have heard from Westerners about this and that genocide commited by Ottomans and so on. And when you ask these people about genocides or actrocities commited by their governments, it is always 'ah that's different. ...blah blah bullshit blah blah' From continental Europe to Scandinavia, from Americas to freaking Australia...everywhere. I am sick of it. So when somebody approaches to me with something like that from out of nowhere, without asking my opinion on the subject, my first reflex is to tell him to go fuck himself. That's all.
Westerners can afford to ignore genocides and atrocities, but Easterners should care? Naah, not at all. I could care less.
By the way, if there has to be a third world war, starting in Europe no less, you know who is gonna get slaughtered this time.
Yes, Jews have superpowers. Ever since you let the Sephardim infiltrate the Sublime Porte, we worked hard to turn your people into Turkish delight.
No, not claiming anybody needs another Mandela truth commission. Didn't seem to work with the majority Black tribe in South Africa.
Be prepared to fight, or someone, not necessarily the US, will kill your men, rape your women, and enslave your children. Tamerlane wasn't a one-off.
What the Europeans did to the indigenous people of what is now America completely dwarfs what the Germans did to the Jewish people. Estimates are as high as 150 million indigenous people dead from our colonial period.
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 08, 2019, 07:11:20 PM
What the Europeans did to the indigenous people of what is now America completely dwarfs what the Germans did to the Jewish people. Estimates are as high as 150 million indigenous people dead from our colonial period.
So, you want to be more eeevilll? The only good human is a dead one. As in "Good and dead". Every human ever born will die. And I play the world's smallest violin for the funeral dirge.
Astronomy, such a happy subject ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiVFut2Giu8
Quote from: Unbeliever on January 08, 2019, 07:11:20 PM
What the Europeans did to the indigenous people of what is now America completely dwarfs what the Germans did to the Jewish people. Estimates are as high as 150 million indigenous people dead from our colonial period.
yep, america's built on the bones and graves of those people. Said ancesotes of those people still like calling others nazis though so that makes it okay that it happened.
(you understand this is taking the piss without being serious)
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 06, 2019, 02:38:07 AM
It means, I am highly annoyed by your condescending attitude.
My question was legitimate. If you don't want to answer it, that is up to you.
Quote from: Baruch on January 08, 2019, 06:50:51 PM
Yes, Jews have superpowers.
Almost in every conversation, you are eager than anyone to throw the ball around 'oh because this and that politics'. But then I go and point out a simple successful set of politics made by Jews, you get sarcastic which you usually don't even get when thrown at you.
Quote from: Munch on January 08, 2019, 07:32:30 PM
yep, america's built on the bones and graves of those people. Said ancesotes of those people still like calling others nazis though so that makes it okay that it happened.
(you understand this is taking the piss without being serious)
Your situation is built on bones too. We are alter-Brits. The Celts will rise and kill all the Normans and Vikings and Anglo-Saxons.
No morality, no legality. Brute force.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 09, 2019, 03:41:38 AM
My question was legitimate. If you don't want to answer it, that is up to you.
You are being PC-ed. You can't ask certain questions, it is triggering. The new weapon of neo-lib fascism is politeness.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 09, 2019, 05:38:25 AM
Almost in every conversation, you are eager than anyone to throw the ball around 'oh because this and that politics'. But then I go and point out a simple successful set of politics made by Jews, you get sarcastic which you usually don't even get when thrown at you.
There is no successful politics, by Jews or anyone else. So I didn't get you point, my bad. The art of politics is screwing other people over. Warfare by other means. Why is Germany still occupied by the US?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 09, 2019, 05:38:25 AM
Almost in every conversation, you are eager than anyone to throw the ball around 'oh because this and that politics'. But then I go and point out a simple successful set of politics made by Jews, you get sarcastic which you usually don't even get when thrown at you.
You don't quite get it, do you? It's that you are blaming a group of people for acting together in collusion and a racial or ethnic talent/habit/ practice.
I bet you have assumptions about many other ethnic groups too.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 01:49:35 AM
You don't quite get it, do you? It's that you are blaming a group of people for acting together in collusion and a racial or ethnic talent/habit/ practice.
I bet you have assumptions about many other ethnic groups too.
She is collectivist ... aka educated tribal. But we all are to some extent, some more than others.
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 02:23:09 AM
She is collectivist ... aka educated tribal. But we all are to some extent, some more than others.
PR is a "she"? I can never keep track of this stuff. Not that it matters... But I don't want to insult anyone for no purpose.
Quote from: Cavebear on January 12, 2019, 03:03:06 AM
PR is a "she"? I can never keep track of this stuff. Not that it matters... But I don't want to insult anyone for no purpose.
We were both referring to drunkenshoe. Yes, she is a woman. PR we weren't immediately talking about, he is clearly a man. But in the world of transexuals on the Internet, who cares? Just call them by the ridiculous pronoun of their own invention.
Quote from: Baruch on January 12, 2019, 08:11:15 AM
We were both referring to drunkenshoe. Yes, she is a woman. PR we weren't immediately talking about, he is clearly a man. But in the world of transexuals on the Internet, who cares? Just call them by the ridiculous pronoun of their own invention.
Whatever he/she wants...